Episode 12: Moonburn 2 -- This Time It's Personal

他确实欺负我了，你甚至这么说都没错。

He he bullied me, you could even say.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，自然就牵扯到规则反转那档子事了。

And and so so so, of course, it kind of fell into the rule reversal thing.

挺搞笑的是，你之前提到的，我们那位朋友用的那根拍子。

It was funny because and what happened is there was this the the the paddle that you had pointed out that our buddy had.

我当时就坐在那儿。

And I'm of course, I'm sitting there.

我那儿一整包都是特别狠的拍子。

I have an entire bag full of very nasty paddles.

他就说，你老讲这拍子多狠、多恶劣。

And so and he was like, this this whole idea about this you're you're talking about how this paddle is so mean and it's so bad.

我就回他，哦，你觉得这拍子已经够狠了？

And I'm like, oh, and, you know, so you think this is a mean paddle.

我让你看看什么叫真正的狠家伙。

I'll show you a mean paddle.

于是我拉着咱们那位朋友回到那个监狱里。

And so then I drag our buddy back into we go back into this prison

回到地牢去了。

Back to the dungeon.

就像小狗摇尾巴一样，乖乖跟着走。

Back to the sort of follow along, you know, like like a puppy wagging its tail.

对。

Yes.

去看咱们那位朋友受惩罚。

To to see see our buddy get punished.

不过我得提一下，大多数房间都有那种普通的门框入口。

What but the interesting things I should point out is, most of the rooms have these sort of, you know, doorway entrances and normal doorway entrance.

所以人们能从门口偷偷往里看，瞧个热闹。

So and people could kinda peek in through the doorway and watch something.

这个监牢房间有个宽大的假牢房入口，人们可以聚集在门口，亲眼看着里面发生的事，慢慢就形成了观众，尤其是当有什么有趣的事情发生时——这正是这里发生的情况。

The prison room has a a big wide open sort of fake jail cell opening so people could actually gather and watch what's going on in that room, and you can develop an audience or what's going on there or something interesting, which is exactly what happened with this.

所以。

So

是的。

Yeah.

确实如此。

It was.

事情是这样的，我决定扮演一个恶霸的角色，你知道的，就是那种欺负人的类型。

So the the the way it started off is I I I decided to, you know, to do this sort of, you know, oh, I'm the bully.

我要让你见识一下什么叫真正的狠拍子，因为我手头有好多根拍子。

I'm gonna show you what a nasty paddle truly is because I have all these paddles.

嗯。

So Mhmm.

于是我把我那个朋友按在了旁边那张长凳上。

So I bend our buddy over a a bench sort of that we have there.

于是我开始一一试用我们各种不同的拍板。

And I started going through our various paddles through my various paddles.

我当时这么做，是为了让观众能更好地理解现场的情况。

And what I was doing for for for the to to get the audience perspective here or to to help our audience understand.

就像你去验光的时候，医生会问你——

Like, if you've ever had an eye exam, they ask you

哪个更模糊？

Which is more blurry?

他问哪个

His Which is

对，更模糊。

more yeah.

我一边拿出不同的拍板，轮流用力打他几下，再用我自己的拍板打几下，就是想让他分辨哪个更疼。

And they they and so what I'm doing is so I start pulling out paddles, and I give him I give him several hard swats with his paddle and then several hard swats with my one of my paddles and get and I'm trying to get him to evaluate which paddle's harder.

然后我一边来回换拍板，一边看他觉得哪一根最狠。

And, yeah, and so I'm kind of moving and I'm doing this whole thing with various paddles of mine and just determining what the meanest what what he thinks the meanest paddle was.

我的

And my

而你这么做时，我就在旁边故意逗他。

intention And while you're doing that, I'm just sort of taunting him from from the side.

我就在那儿看着，挺享受的。

I'm just hanging out there enjoying watching.

是的。

Yeah.

然后，我的想法是，一旦我们确定了他觉得最狠的那根拍子，我就用它狠狠打他几下。

And then, you know and so my intention was, you know, once we pick the meanest what he thinks is the meanest paddle, I'm gonna give him a bunch of swats with the paddle.

之后，你们俩之间可能会有几句互动。

And then at some point, there is some back and forth between the two of you.

我记不太清具体是怎么说的了，但这件事让我突然想到，Brian当时就在旁边。

And I can't recall exactly how it went, but it put this kernel of thought into my head that that that Brian is hanging out here.

对。

Mhmm.

我进场了。

I've I've entered the scene.

我已经加入进来了。

I'm part of the scene.

对。

Yeah.

而且呢，我其实

And and it's I'm

我没打算从门口出去。

not I'm not heading out the doorway.

我是跟你们一起进房间的。

I went into the room with you guys.

对。

Yeah.

当时还讨论过，咱们那位朋友到底有没有欺负你，以及你是不是真的求着被欺负。

And and there was a question as to whether or not our buddy had actually bullied you and whether you had actually asked for it.

你知道，这有点像是

You know, this is sort of

为了这个目的。

for it.

于是那一刻，我突然想到，可以继续用老办法，和那个常被我欺负的人一起，来对付你，还有我们的朋友。

And so and so and then at that point, I realized that I could resurrect my plans for to to bully you with the other guy, my my regular victim, with our buddy.

所以我就制定了计划。

And so plan.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我当时特别小心，毕竟我不确定你的底线在哪里，能承受多少。

And so I kinda was careful with this because, again, I I wasn't sure what your limits were or how much you could take.

所以我只是稍微

So I'm just kind of

我们之前根本没商量过这事。

like And we hadn't discussed this beforehand or anything.

你好像有点压抑。

You're sort of feeling things down.

不是的。

No.

这其实挺有意思的。

And this is a fun thing.

顺便说一下，从观众的角度来看，当你在现实生活中遇到空白场景时，可以试试一些方法，在不暴露意图的情况下，观察对方的反应。

And, you know, throughout this, by the way, for the viewer's perspective, I'll talk about, when you're thinking about blank scenes in real life, ways that you could do this that allow you to evaluate your your the your the other party without kind of giving away the scene.

所以我稍微跟布莱恩聊了两句。

And so I kind of, like, talked to Brian a little bit.

具体说了啥我记不清了，但我就是想看看他会不会故意耍脾气，那样的话——

I can't remember exactly what I said, but my intention was to see if Brian was gonna act up to be bratty, which

嗯。

Uh-huh.

我就能得到需要的信号，顺势把他带进场景里。

Would give me the feedback I needed to pull him into the scene.

而且，我真记不清你具体说了什么，但你表现得根本不像不想挨打的样子。

And, again, I can't exactly remember what you said, but you certainly did not act like you didn't want to be spanked.

你这话可说到我心坎里了。

I I I resemble that remark.

这不就对了嘛。

There you go.

最后我还是把他拖了进去。

So eventually so I dragged him in there.

我跟他说：好了，别废话了。

I made him I was like, okay.

我都搞不清谁在说真话了，干脆两个都打一顿。

You know, you're I don't know who's telling me the truth anymore, so I'm gonna beat both of your asses.

得两个都打，因为总得有一个在撒谎啊。

Gotta spank both of you because that's because, you know, one of us has to be lying.

所以要惩罚对的人，唯一办法就是把我们都打一顿。

So the only way to get to punish, you know, the right person is to stank both of us.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Yep.

对的。

Yep.

所以我把布莱恩也拉了进来，让他们俩并排站着，就像我以前对付那个经常被欺负的孩子一样。

So I dragged I dragged Brian in the scene, put got them side by side like I had before with a duke in my my regular bully victim.

然后我不断试不同的拍板，想看看他们觉得哪一种最疼。

And so I kept on testing the paddles to determine which ones they thought were the worst.

作为施加惩罚的一方，让我特别感兴趣的是，你们俩在这整个过程中挨了那么多下。

And what was fascinating for me as a top, again, you guys took a lot of swats in this whole scene.

这场戏持续得挺久的。

It was a very it was a pretty long scene.

到结束的时候，周围已经围了一大群人看热闹。

We had a huge crowd watching us by the time it was over.

你打算提到囚徒困境吗？

What are you gonna mention the the prisoner's dilemma?

囚徒困境。

The prisoner's dilemma.

对，就是这个。

That's yes.

最后我们确实说到这个了。

That's where eventually we got to.

所以我用上了我最狠的那根拍子，其实那不是Jukari拍子。

So I got to the point where I'm using my nastiest paddle, which actually isn't the Jukari paddle.

Jukari拍子是我最喜欢的，因为适合那些喜欢拍打的人，虽然不能打太多下，但大家都能扛得住。

The Jukari paddle is my favorite paddle because I can actually use it on on on people who like paddles, and maybe I can't give them a lot of swats, but but people take it.

如果有人喜欢拍打，其实还挺喜欢这根拍子的。

People actually like the paddle if they're into paddles.

但我还有根更狠的，又短又厚实的硬木拍子，用多了容易留印子，没几个人能撑得住。

But I have this nastier paddle, which is this small, short, very thick dense wood paddle that bruises if you use it too much, and not a lot of people can take it.

我几乎从不使用它。

I hardly ever use it.

所以我拿出了这个，用在你们身上。

So I pulled that one out, and I was using it on you guys.

我们当时还在比较哪个拍子更狠，大家都一致认为这个是我最狠的拍子。

And we were still doing this sort of evaluating which paddle was worse, and that everyone agreed that that paddle was my worst paddle.

于是我换了一个没那么狠的拍子。

And and I had less intense paddle.

所以我原本计划要引入一个叫‘囚徒困境’的概念。

So so I decided the plan that I had made was to introduce this concept called the prisoners prisoner's dilemma.

如果有人懂博弈论，就知道囚徒困境是什么。

And if anyone knows about game theory, they know what the prisoner's dilemma is.

坐在这儿的那位朋友其实知道囚徒困境是什么。

And our buddy in this seat knew what the prisoner's dilemma was, actually.

他早就猜到会发生什么，也知道最后会怎样。

He knew what was gonna happen too, and he knew how it was gonna end up.

至于惩罚这件事，结果只会有一种可能。

And for for spanking, you know, we'll only end up in one way.

但对我们观众来说，囚徒困境是个著名的心理学实验。

But for our audience so the prisoner's dilemma is this famous sort of psychological test.

它的设定是，有两个互不相识的囚犯。

And the idea was that you have two prisoners who don't know each other.

我这里是想把它用在对话里，虽然不完全贴切，但用来捉弄人还挺有意思的。

And so this is kind of a and I'm kind of bringing this into spaking play, and it doesn't really translate perfectly, but it's just kind of a fun, mean thing to do as a bully.

这其实是个很有趣的即兴方式，能给这个烘焙场景增添点张力，哪怕你并不打算真的角色扮演。

It is a fun improvisational kind of thing to kind of add some dynamics to this baking scene without even if you're not gonna get into role playing.

所以设想是，你让这两个家伙意识到，他们能左右对方的命运。

And so the idea is that you've got these two guys, and you're telling these two prisoners that they can control each other's fates.

具体做法是，你试图让他们互相揭发，劝他们要么坚持自己无罪，要么承认有罪。

And the way it works is you're trying to get them to turn on each other, and you're trying to convince them to to either insist on their innocence or or or guilt.

最后的结果是，如果两人都声称自己无罪，那他们都会被判较轻的刑期。

And and the way it ends up working is that if both guys, plead their own innocence, they get a small sentence.

如果两人都认罪，都会被判重刑。

If both guys plead their guilt, they both get heavy sentences.

所以

So

互相指认对方有罪。

Plead plead each other's guilt.

对。

Yeah.

他们都会被判很重的刑。

They they get well, they get they get heavy sentences.

但关键在于，如果一个人认罪，另一个人喊冤，会怎么样？

So but the trick here is what happens if one guy pleads innocent and the other one pleads guilty.

那个认罪的人呢，如果一方认罪、一方喊冤，喊冤的那个人会受到更重的惩罚。

The one you know, the the you get, if if one guy pleads pleads guilty and one guy pleads innocent, the person who pleads innocent gets the harsh gets a harsh punishment.

他得挨所有打。

He does all the spanks.

他全扛了，另一个却一点事都没有。

He gets all the spanks, and the other guy gets none.

所以这其实是个心理测试，看能不能让人互相背叛，看他们到底相不相信对方——说白了，就是对陌生人之间信任度的考验。

So it's just this sort of psychological test to see if you can get guys to turn on each other and whether they'll and whether they'll they'll trust each other or or, you know, it's it's sort of a trust test for strangers.

对。

Right.

我觉得，正常情况下这试验应该挺有效的，但这次可能被我们搞砸了，因为我们俩其实早就互相拆台了。

And I think, like, ordinarily, it probably would have worked well, but I think it was sort of ruined because the two of us had, in effect, already turned on each other.

没错。

Yes.

我们俩早就成了对手。

We were already enemies.

你刚拿电击棒挨个测试我们的时候，我们已经在互相埋怨了，都说：这全是你的错。

We we just when you were testing out the paddles with us side by side, we were already arguing each other's this is your all your fault.

这都是你的错。

It's your fault.

而且我们这么吵，其实是在刺激你更用力地打我们。

And because, you know, we're fighting, but really what we're actually doing is is spurring you to spank us more.

因为这正是

Because that's

对的。

Yeah.

那种调皮捣蛋的节奏确实奏效了。

That's the that's the brat speed that worked there.

对的。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

到最后，是的。

And at the end yeah.

到我动手的时候，我们其实都心照不宣了，他们俩最后都会互相倒戈。

By the by the time I I I did it, we we all kind I I all kind of knew that they were that they were both gonna turn on

彼此。

each other.

但都知道会是什么结果。

But knew what the results would be.

好吧。

Alright.

不过挺有意思的，那种小小的互动挺好玩的。

But it it was fun, you know, it was fun little touchy.

观众看着他们这么玩，也觉得挺有趣。

It was fun for the audience, you you know, to to to watch them do that.

所以我让他们俩背过身去，然后我安排了一个方式：你们各自选一个 paddle，用来打对方。

And so so I had them I had you both turn your backs to the and I had, you know, you each what the way I worked it out is have you decide the paddle that I would use on the other person.

对。

Right.

就是，选个温柔的还是狠的。

Like, the nice paddle or the mean paddle.

是的

Yeah.

他们俩当然都给对方选了最重的那根拍子。

And they both, of course, chose the mean paddle for the other one.

当然。

Of course.

我打算让他逃掉，然后自己挨全部的打。

I'm gonna let him get away and then have me take all the spank.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

结果他们俩都挨了不少下。

And then so they they both took a lot of swats.

我都不记得到底打了多少下了。

I can't how many was it?

每人大概十五下吗？

Was it, like, 15 each?

我觉得是，不过我后来还多挨了几下。

I I think so, but then I got extra.

对。

Yes.

而且你还让观众在你身上加了点料，我记得是这样。

And you got the audience taddled on you, I believe.

后来怎么了？

What happened?

明白了。

Okay.

你当时背对着我，正在打那位朋友。

So you had turned your back to me, and you were paddling our buddy.

你打的时候，我忍不住回头揉了揉屁股，实在有点疼。

And while you were doing that, you know, I reached back to to rub my butt a little bit because it was hurting.

然后观众一下子全都指着你说：‘他揉屁股呢！’

And then the audience, like, as one, they're they all pointed out, like, oh, he he's rubbing his butt.

他正在揉屁股呢。

He's rubbing his butt.

我真不知道这还违反规定。

And I'm just like, I didn't know it was against the rules.

好像有个人说：‘这什么时候不算是违规啊？’

I think I think I think one guy said, like, when is it not when is that not against the rules?

那估计是悉尼说的。

That's probably Sydney.

可能吧。

May maybe.

所以你决定算我多拿了五到十个，不算在五十以内，然后又回去继续打咱们朋友。

So you you decide that I I got, like, five or 10 extra that, you know, that didn't count towards the 50, and then you went back towards towards paddling our friend.

我觉得你可能没注意，但其实我之前就已经在闹了。

So I I I don't think you noticed, but I have been acting up previously to that point.

你懂的，就一直耍脾气、顶嘴，诸如此类。

You know, act just keep acting bratty, being defiant, and all that.

你给了我那十下之后，我就不再顶撞了，因为我真的不想再挨打了。

After you gave me those 10, I stopped acting defiant because I actually did not want to be spanked anymore.

体罚并不能证明行为是否有效。

This is spanking doesn't prove behavior.

这才是证据。

This is proof.

我本人就是最好的证明。

I'm I'm the proof right here.

这同时也是个提醒。

It's also the reminder

从那以后，我就表现得非常好。

I was very good from that point on.

这其实也跟我们之前那个‘小捣蛋’的片段一样，说明捣蛋的作用就是促使上面的人做出这种反应。

And that's, you know, and that's, again, like, the from our from our brat episode, that's, like, the value of of what brattiness is for is encouraging the top to do exactly that behavior.

然后你就意识到，你真的接受了这种方式，再也不想再经历了。

And then, you know, you realize that that you you accepted that, and you don't want anymore.

所以你现在会表现得更好一点。

So so you're gonna behave a little bit better now.

就一点点。

Just a little bit.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

那场游戏玩得特别开心。

And so that was a that was a lot of fun play.

而且说实话，观众的数量让我挺意外的。

And, yeah, and that drew that drew I was surprised at the crowd.

但我觉得部分原因是因为你当时是新人。

But I think part it was partly because, well, you were new.

当然了，每次有新人出现，大家都会特别想看看他怎么玩。

And, of course, whenever there's a new person, everyone, like, likes to watch them play.

对。

Uh-huh.

其实也不一定在乎他玩得好不好，主要是新鲜，有种全新的感觉。

And it has, you know, not necessarily so much about whether they're being again, it's just a new experience and new thing.

而且，我们当时还挺吵的。

And plus, you know, we were being pretty vocal.

那地方挺开阔的。

The room is pretty open.

谁都能看得到。

Everyone can watch it.

对，确实如此。

And it was Yeah.

所以说，玩得特别开心。

You know, so it it was a lot of fun.

我根本没想到那里有那么多跳水动作，直到结束才反应过来。

I I didn't realize there were that many dives there, until until it was over.

然后我听到了我们获得的掌声。

And then I heard, like, the the ovation that we got.

我当时就愣住了。

I was like, oh.

有一部分原因是我没戴眼镜，因为你让我摘了。

And, like, part of that says I didn't have my glasses on because you made me take them off.

是的。

Yeah.

但我当时根本没往那边看，因为一进入角色，我就全身心投入了。

But I'm just I just I just wasn't looking that way because I was when I role play, I, like, I get into the role.

我眼里只看得见我们正在做的事情，别的什么都注意不到。

I was so I I wasn't looking at anything else besides what we were doing.

不过呢。

But yeah.

那对我的自尊心来说真是挺不错的。

So that that was pretty good for my ego.

我以前在西班牙下水，可从来没被人鼓过掌。

Like, I've never had applause after getting in Spain.

所以……

So

是的。

Yeah.

然后啊，嗯。

And then Yeah.

这挺有意思的。

That was interesting.

没错。

Yep.

然后悉尼也在场，就是那位大家还记得的，上过我们好几期播客的嘉宾。

And then Sydney was there who who folks, you know, remember been in a couple of our podcast episodes.

悉尼特别有意思，因为他几乎完全是下面那个角色。

And Sydney it was funny because Sydney is is is almost entirely a bottom.

但你一见到他，就忍不住想：真希望悉尼能

But then, like, from the moment you met him, you were like, I want Sydney to

打我屁股。

spank me.

我真想让他打我屁股。

I want him to spank me.

真的没错。

It's true.

确实如此。

It's so yeah.

那天下午早些时候，你当过我们的中间人。

So earlier in that afternoon, I I had had you act as our go between.

我当时跟你说：嘿，斯科特。

I was like, hey, Scott.

你该告诉悉尼，我想要他打我屁股。

You should tell Sydney that I want him to spank me.

你确实这么做了。

So you had done that.

那是在那之前，不对，应该是在第一次打完之后。

That was that was before think that was after the first spanking.

那是在我们小活动之前。

It was before our little session.

然后在这中间，我又被打了两次。

So then I took two other spankings in between.

我刚从你那儿的地下室出来，你把我屁股打得够呛，他就在那儿等着。

And then right after I get out of the the dungeon from you, you know, paddling the crap out of my ass, he's right there.

他问：‘准备好接受下一次了吗？’

He's like, so ready for your next spanking?

我回答：‘不准备。'

And I'm like, no.

我得歇十分钟。

Like, I I need, like, a ten minute break.

这已经是我这辈子挨过的最狠的打屁股了。

Like, that this is more this is already more spanking than I've ever had before.

我真的不行了。

So I'm just like, no.

让我喘口气吧。

Give me a break.

是啊。

So yeah.

后来我们就到前厅待了一会儿，大家各自放松着。

So then we we just we hung out for a for a little while in in the front room, and you we're all just sort of chilling.

他指着钟说，时间快到了。

And then he he he's pointing at the clock, and, you know, he's like, oh, time's running out.

你别说了。

I'm just like, shut up.

说来有趣，我们之前在播客里分别聊过受气包和霸凌，但我是从悉尼那里才意识到这一点。

Funny thing about like, it's funny because we've talked about brats in bullying in the podcasts on separate episodes, but I realized from Sydney.

他就是那种爱耍横的主导方。

He's the bratty top.

不是。

No.

真的不是。

As no.

当一个 submissive 表现出受气包行为时，那其实是 dominant 在施加霸凌。

When when brat brat behavior is as a bottom is bully behavior as a top.

说白了，就是这么回事。

Like, that's what it translates into.

对。

Yeah.

不对。

No.

我能理解这一点。

I can see that.

这真的很有趣。

That's very interesting.

但后来他带我去了他们养的那匹马具旁边。

So but eventually so eventually, he intro and you went over one of the spaking horses that they had.

这事儿我以前从来没做过。

Which is another thing I'd I'd never done before.

那可是头一回。

That was new.

你知道吗，我当时弯下了腰。

You know, like, he I I bent over.

他让我把睾丸挪开，因为我不知道，原来用 spanking 马的时候还得注意这个。

He had my he had me tuck my balls out of the way because I wasn't I didn't realize that, oh, that was a thing with a spanking horse.

所以我只好照做了。

So I I had to do that.

然后呢，他其实吧，表面上看是个主导型的，但心思特别细腻。

And then, yeah, he just he he turns out you know, he he may be mostly a top, but he's a very mean thinker.

你是说他其实更偏向被动型？

You mean he's mostly a bottom?

对，主要是被动型。

Mostly mostly a bottom.

是的。

Yeah.

我本来就是想说这个。

That's what I

意思是这样。

meant to say.

不过呢，我之前跟他说过，确实如此。

But because I I had told him earlier, I was like, yeah.

比如说，我还特意指了指屁股上的一个地方。

Like, especially like, I pointed to one spot on my butt.

就是这个位置，真的最疼。

Like, this spot, like, really hurts the most.

因为我们聊的都是我屁股的情况。

It's because we're just talking about the state of my butt.

你知道他后来干了什么吗？

And then you know what you know what he did?

他打这个位置打得比其他任何地方都多。

He spanked that spot more than any other spot on my ass.

真是个混蛋，对吧？

So what a jerk.

没错。

Right?

有趣的是，有些受方其实并不适合当施方。

The the the the funny thing is, like, yeah, some bottoms make for for very don't make for good tops.

但要是那种特别喜欢重口味惩罚的 hardcore 受方，反而可能成为很厉害的施方，因为他们特别清楚屁股到底能承受多少。

But if a bottom, a hardcore bottom who likes heavy duty punishment could be really intense tops because they become very good at understanding what a butt can actually take.

是的

Yeah.

对

Yeah.

我从他身上就是这么感觉的

I got that impression from him.

是的

Yeah.

而且那种情况还特别公开，因为就在客厅，大家平时都聚在那儿

So and that and and that thinking was even more public because that was right in the in the front room where, like, everyone gathers.

所以那天我的表现欲简直爆表了

So I I I definitely filled out my my exhibitionist quota for that day.

不过，没错，经历完前面那些之后，那个真的特别疼

But, yeah, that was that was very painful after all the other ones.

没错

And yeah.

还有一次打屁股吗？

Was there was there one other spanking?

有。

Yeah.

还有一回，是亚当。

There was there was one other, Adam.

在那之后，第一个打我的人——就是那种我比较喜欢的类型——又来了一次。

After all that spanking, the first guy who had spanked me, who was you know, who I am I was his type.

对。

Yeah.

我们之前聊过这事。

We had discussed earlier.

他第一次打完我，就问我如果之后想玩，要不要再来一次，我说好。

I like, after that, the first spank he gave me, he asked if maybe we could play a den later on if I wanted, and I was like, yeah.

我当时跟他说，看我屁股疼不疼，要是疼得厉害，或许可以让他帮我揉揉，好得快点。

Well, I was I told him maybe depending how sore my butt is, maybe I'll let you, you know, rub it a little bit to rub it better.

他就说，当然可以。

And and he was like, oh, sure.

所以经历完那些事后，我在人群里又看到了他。

So after all that stinting, like, I I saw him in the crowd.

我就跟他说，你得给我揉揉屁股了，现在疼得厉害。

I was like, you have to rub my ass now because my butt hurts.

然后他带我去了一个房间，我记不清是哪个了。

So then he he brought me into the I forgot what room it was.

他让我趴在他腿上，但一开始并没有打我。

It was but he he put me over his lap, he he didn't spank me at first.

他就只是给我按摩，感觉特别舒服。

He was just massaging, and that felt very nice.

但后来，那个跟我一起挨打的朋友进来了，开始取笑我屁股有多红。

But then then our other friend who I had gotten spanked alongside with, he came in, and then he starts taunting me about how red my ass is.

我们又像以前一样，开始斗嘴耍赖了。

Like, we started the brat thing all over again with us fighting.

然后过了一会儿，我一直趴在他腿上，抬头看了眼那位朋友，心想：你知道吗，我觉得……

And and then at at some point, like, it it went on for a little bit, and then I I, you know, I looked up at the our our friend whose lap I was over, and I was like, you know what I think?

我觉得你该让他也来体验一下，换他趴你腿上。

Like, I think that that he and I should switch places.

你该让他趴着，谢谢他刚才跑进来故意气我。

You should put him over your lap and thank him for, you know, coming in here and being such a jerk.

结果你猜怎么着？真就这么发生了。

And then and then that's exactly what happened.

我看着他被揍了一会儿，可我还没长记性，又开始逗他，结果呢，自己又挨了一顿。

So I watched him get spanked for a little while, and then I I just I hadn't learned my lesson because I started taunting him, and then then I just I had to get spanked at that.

这种事情嘛，你懂的，总是这样。

And it's just you know, it's you know how these things go.

一次挨揍，下次就去实验室。

One Yeah.

一夜被揍，另一夜去搞科研。

Night at spanked, other night at the scientist.

很快大家都开始挨打了，不过我最后还是补了几下。

Soon soon everybody spanked and but, yes, I I got my my last couple licks in.

那是在派对结束前最后十分钟左右的事，他们就把所有人都赶出去了。

That was, like, the last the last ten minutes or so of the party before they kicked everybody out.

那时候就像是

It was like

是的。

Yeah.

而且那也是挺有意思的一点。

And that was kind of what was also fascinating.

我们几乎整个派对都在玩，这其实挺少见的。

We played like, we were all playing for almost the entire party, which is kind of unusual.

这次派对特别低调，结果提前一个小时就结束了。

Like, essentially, this last this most recent party was so low key that it pretty much ended an hour early.

几乎没人还在活动。

Like, hardly anyone was doing.

但这次可真热闹。

But this one, yeah, very busy.

人特别多。

Lots of folks.

打屁股的场面也特别多。

Lots of spanking.

我一整晚都没闲着。

I was busy the whole time.

我挑了个挺巧的周末过来。

I picked a good weekend to come down, I guess.

是啊。

Yeah.

没错。

Yep.

那你喜欢Moonburn吗？

So did you enjoy Moonburn?

我

I

是的。

yes.

我很喜欢Moonburn。

I enjoyed Moonburn.

真希望我住的地方附近也有一个Moonburn，这样我就能像你一样每个月都参加一次。

I wish we had a Moonburn closer to where I live so that I could do one every month like you get to do.

不过，我知道，我会想办法找个时间去杰恩那边看看。

But, you know, I've we'll we'll see if I can get down there at Jen at some point.

我真的很想再去，因为那次真的特别开心。

I definitely would like to because I I really did have a blast.

这可能是我这辈子被惩罚得最痛快的一次。

It's probably the most fun spanking getting spanked that I've ever had.

所以，这真是一次特别有收获的经历。

So, yeah, it was a it was a very rewarding experience.

我确实觉得自己在挨打这方面更有经验了，毕竟那次挨了很多下，感觉特别好。

I definitely feel like I'm more experienced at least in taking spankings because I I got so many, so that was really good.

我还认识了不少人。

I got to meet a lot of people.

我交了一些专门聊挨打的朋友，这总是件好事。

You know, I make make spanking friends, which is always good to have.

所以，那次之后我整个人都特别开心。

So, yeah, I I came out of that just just feeling really good.

之后我们回迪士尼的时候，我又坐了好几趟颠簸的过山车。

And then then afterwards, I got to ride several bumpy roller coaster rides at Disneyland as we we went back after that.

真的吗？

Oh, did you?

对。

Okay.

那几趟过山车因此变得更加刺激了。

So that that made that made the rides even more thrilling.

你坐过高山雪橇了吗？

Did you go on the Matterhorn?

我一直想试试。

I've been wanting to

坐了。

Yes.

我们确实坐了高山雪橇。

We did go on the Matterhorn.

那感觉怎么样？

Oh, how did that feel?

对没坐过迪士尼高山雪橇的人来说，这玩意儿是那种模拟雪橇的过山车，设计上就是特别特别颠。

Because the Matterhorn is for for people who have never been to the Matterhorn at Disneyland, it's, you know, it's they're bobsleds, and the ride is is is a coaster, but it's deliberately on purpose very, very bumpy.

嗯，是这样。

Uh-huh.

总的来说，还行吧。

Well, mostly, it was okay.

有一会儿我们整个人都飞起来了，结果突然一下又被狠狠砸回座位上。

There was one at one time, we were airborne, and then it just, like, slammed my butt back down in the sea.

那时候我就想：这是什么情况？

And, like, that time, it was like, what?

那一刻我觉得够了，真的受够了。

That felt like I just got enough.

感觉就像又被斯科特那家伙狠狠抽了一巴掌。

I just felt like I got another one of Scott's mean paddles right there.

不过总的来说，这本来就是过山车，我倒挺享受这种刺激的。

But for I mean, for the most part, it was, you know, it's it's a roller coaster ride, so I like it as a real spanking.

但问题是，屁股本来就还疼着，这一下真够受的。

But it it it on an already tender butt, I was I was feeling it.

是啊。

Yeah.

刚才我们稍微提了一下，接下来要转到那个月光派对的事了。

Now so you and and I vaguely mentioned this is gonna transition for a minute to the following Moonburn party.

你之前说过，你特别喜欢角色互换，尤其是当那个欺负人的人被揍的时候。

You've you've mentioned that you love role reversals, and you particularly love the when the bully gets spanked.

最棒了。

The best.

所以那次你在八月的月燃派对上。

So in that you were at August's Moonburn party.

到了九月的月燃派对，那个恶霸——大家可能还记得，就是我们在第三期播客里第一次聊到月燃派对时提到的那个人，那个让我重新燃起想当受虐者的男人。

So September Moonburn party, the bully, who folks remember from folks may remember from the the first the third podcast episode where we we first talked about Moonover Moonburn parties, who was a guy I met who rekindled my desire to be a bottom for for spanking.

他这次又回 town 了，这是他第二次回来，今年春天他来过一次，但我们没玩。

Well, he came back to town, and I, and so it's the second time he had been back, we did not play, he was back this spring, but we did not play them.

我决定主动请缨，再让自己挨一次打。

We we decided I decided, to go ahead and offer myself up to be spanked again at

就像献祭一样。

Like the sacrifice.

Spanky。

Spanky.

而且你知道，他也清楚我对他的感觉。

And, you know, and and he knows how I feel about him.

我专门给他做了一个小板子，上面刻了‘ bully ’这个词，就是为他准备的。

I had gotten a a paddle made little paddle made that had the word bully engraved into it, specifically for him to use on

我。

me.

哎呀。

Aw.

那板子一直放着，还没用过。

And so it's just been sitting it hadn't been used yet.

它就一直躺在我的板子包里，等着他再回来。

It's just been sitting in my bag of paddles just waiting, for him to come back to town.

他九月份回来后，我们就约了几次。

And so he comes back on he came back in September, and, we decided to have some sessions.

这种角色互换还挺有意思的。

And and the role reversal is funny.

有人听到了可能会想，哎，那木板是不是被弄花了？

Is people may be hearing this and thinking, oh, did the blade get specked?

没有。

No.

我们说的是别的事。

We're talking

真希望是那样。

I wish.

我还在盼着能看到那一幕呢。

I'm still hoping to see that.

他现在有男朋友了，两个人居然会互相打屁股。

But he actually he has a he has a he has a boyfriend now, and they apparently spank each other.

所以那个欺负人的人，最后也被打了。

So the bully does get spanked.

是的。

Yeah.

但据我们所知，只在私下里发生。

But only behind closed doors as far as we know.

没错。

It's right.

但他可没在月燃被揍过。

But but he didn't get he doesn't get spanked at Moonburn.

他在月燃可是上面那个。

He's all top at Moonburn.

嗯，是这样。

Uh-huh.

如果你俩没换角色，那谁换的？

So if you didn't get role reversed, then who did?

该不会是你吧，斯科特？

Was it perhaps you, Scott?

有可能。

Perhaps.

所以我们当时是针对你？

So we had you?

是的。

Yeah.

所以我们首先得说，我叫他霸凌者是有原因的，你知道，他确实很符合我们之前在霸凌那一集里讨论的那种主导型角色，虽然他并不怎么玩角色扮演。

So we so we had so we had first of all, he the reason I call him the bully is, you know, he really does fit the he he doesn't really role play, but he fits the model of a top that we talked about in the bully episode.

这并不是那种慢慢铺垫、精心构建、拖得很长的场景。

It is, you know, it is not a sessions where this this long sort of ripening up and where he's really kind of careful about building up, into a long scene.

但这也不是什么武器。

But it's also not a weapon.

你知道，这可不是那种老派的本杰明式玩法。

You know, it's not the old fashioned Benjamin.

不过这确实比平常的场景要更激烈一些。

It is it is it is a more intense than usual session, though.

而且他也不是那种特别冲动的人。

And he is not a particularly, he's not reckless.

我不想说他鲁莽，或者他是那种人，但他确实毫不留情。

I I don't wanna call him reckless or that he's a, you know, a a but he is ruthless.

他确实不会手下留情。

He's and he he doesn't and he doesn't hold back.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

No.

他真的不会手下留情。

He doesn't hold back.

他很快就进入状态。

He he builds up relatively quickly.

第一次做时，我记得是从我的牛仔裤开始的。

And, you know, with the first session, I was you know, it started off with my jeans.

我平时穿牛仔裤都会戴护裆。

I always wear my jocks wear a jock strap under my jeans.

所以牛仔裤一脱，就是光屁股了。

So once the jeans come down, it's a bare butt.

他下手很快，裤子一下就褪下去了。

And they come down relatively quickly with him.

我觉得最多二十下，裤子就该掉了。

I think maybe, you know, maybe 20 swats at the most, and then the genes come down.

然后事情就变得相当激烈了。

And then things get get pretty intense.

对很多人来说，和他的一次训练时间都很短。

For a lot of guys, the sessions with him are pretty short.

我说的也就是二十到三十下左右，对。

You know, I'm talking maybe twenty, thirty swats even Mhmm.

因为他下手确实挺重的。

Because, you know, he's he's pretty rough.

而他本人也觉得这样没问题。

And that's he's fine with that.

他明白这一点。

He understands that.

这就是他惯用的相处方式。

That's that's the dynamic that he plays with.

对我来说，他知道我希望他狠狠地对待我。

For me, he knows that I want him to really push me.

所以他简直让我吃尽了苦头

And so, oh, he he rained hell on my

屁股。

ass.

天哪。

Oh.

他还拿出了那个霸道拍板。

And the he got to use the the bully paddle.

关于那个霸道拍板，有个挺有意思的事儿。

So funny story about the bully paddle.

再说一次，之前我们聊到关于霸凌的那期节目时，提到过霸凌者的一个作用，就是让下方的人始终处于混乱状态，绝不能让他觉得自己能掌控局面。

Again, when we talked about in in the episode where we talked about bully bullying, we talked about how part of the role of the bully is to keep the the bottom completely kind of off kilter and never let the bottom be in a position where he feels like he's in control of what's going on.

我们说的这些，比如调侃、心理游戏，还有各种类似的小把戏。

And we're talking about, you know, teasing and mind play and games and all sorts of things like that.

核心就是，无论什么情况下，下方的人都绝对不能真正掌控整个场景。

The idea that the the bottom is never really in control of the scene in any circ you know, under any circumstances.

他做了一件既搞笑又出人意料的事，我特别喜欢，因为他一向特别爱讽刺。

And he did something funny and unexpected, and I loved it, which is, you know because he's very sarcastic.

我们大家都这样，说话都喜欢带点讽刺。

We're all very sarcastic.

所以我就说了，咱们这儿就是这么行事的。

And so I got the That's how we roll here.

咱们这儿就是这么行事的。

That's how we roll.

于是我弄了根霸凌棒，上面还特意刻了‘霸凌’这两个字。

And so I got this bully paddle, and I got it with this sort of, you know, the word bully.

你可以挑各种字体，把‘bully’这个词刻在桨上。

I could you could pick all these fonts and have the word engraved on the paddle.

所以我选了个看起来像重金属风格的字体，因为他本来就喜欢重金属音乐，什么类型的金属乐都爱。

So I picked what looked like, you know, sort of a heavy metal font because because he's sort of a heavy metal guy, he loves heavy metal music, all kinds of metal music.

于是我拿回桨，拿给他看，他扫了一眼。

And so I go and get the paddle and show it to him, and he looks at it.

他说：等等。

He's like, wait.

这写的是巴菲吗？

Is this Buffy?

上面写的是巴菲？

Does it say Buffy?

我愣了一下：什么？

And I'm like, what?

我根本没注意到，我选的这个字体跟电视剧《吸血鬼猎人巴菲》用的字体特别像。

And I didn't notice it that I picked a font that's very similar to the font they used for the television show, Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

巴菲球拍。

The Buffy Paddle.

从那以后，他就开始叫它‘巴菲球拍’，这其实是在逗我、拿我开玩笑，因为我本想送他一份礼物，结果反而让我自己成了被取笑的对象，这掌控权完全反了。

So from that point, he started calling it the Buffy Paddle, which was in sort of a way of taunting me and take it because I did this you know, I I did this thing as this sort of gift for him to torment me, but that was but that was giving me too much control.

所以他

So he

他确实用它来捉弄我，但方式跟我预想的不一样。

took He he used it to torment you, but in a different way than he had expected.

是啊。

Yeah.

他还拿这球拍打我呢。

Well, he also he also beat me with it.

不过没错。

But yeah.

但现在他都管它叫‘巴菲球拍’了。

But now we he refers to it as the buffy paddle.

他打

He's beating

我用巴菲拍子来嘲笑我。

me with the buffy paddle as a way of taunting me.

所以，我有点喜欢这样，因为这完全出乎意料。如果你喜欢被欺负的感觉，比如在鞭打场景中，就需要考虑这种不可预测性。

So and I kind of love that because it was completely unexpected, and that's one of the things you need to think about if you like the idea of being bullied as a spanking scene is having something like that happen.

这完全不可预测，你无法控制它。

That is completely unpredictable, you don't control of it.

这事儿挺逗的，也有点损。

And it is kind of funny, and it is kind of mean.

你知道的，我就挺喜欢他这么干的。

And, you know, and so I I love that he did that.

但他下手特别重。

But he was hitting me really hard.

那个霸凌者，也就是那个'Buffy拍子'，挺吓人的。

That bully the the bully, the buffy paddle is pretty intense.

我完全没料到会这么疼，因为我平时根本没怎么用过。

I was not expecting how intense it actually was because I didn't really use it.

而且它够小，正好能集中打在一边屁股上。

And it's sort of it's small enough to concentrate on one cheek.

所以两次之间，他把我右屁股打得特别厉害，都快青了。

And so between two sessions, he really did a number on on my right cheek, and it was getting pretty bruised.

第一次 session 就这样了，结束的时候他直接按着我，逼我挨打——我知道这听起来可能让有些人觉得不适，但在我们这种玩法里，这完全没问题。

And this so the first session, he actually point, even just the first session, by the time we were done with the first session, he was holding me down to make me take swats, which he again, for the perspective of our audience that this might freak some people out, this is acceptable behavior in our play.

这种事以前也发生过，他知道这样做是可以的。

It's something that has happened before, and he knows that it's okay to

这么做。

do that.

对。

Yeah.

我其实想问问，你们俩平时是不是也这样？

I I was trying to ask if that was that was typical for the two of you.

对。

Yeah.

而且再说一遍，如果你对霸凌类游戏感兴趣，那你得明白，这种玩法里往往包含身体上的互动——你会扭动挣扎，而对方会用身体把你按在某个位置上。

And, again, if from again, if that's something that if you like the idea of bully play, that might be something you wanna understand that there's this sort of physical component of it where, you know, you squirm and struggle, and the bully kind of physically pushes you into this position.

但我要说明的是，他很清楚自己在做什么，我之所以讲这些，是因为马上就要举个例子，说明他到底有多懂分寸。

But to be clear, he knew he knows what he's doing, and I'm kind of talking through this because we'll get to the example of how he knows what he's doing in just a minute.

第二段场景，他打了我一阵子，后来才让我站起来。

The second scene, you know, so so he beat me for a while, eventually let me get up.

第二段场景发生得稍晚一点。

The second scene was a little bit later.

当时他正在打悉尼。

He was actually beating Sydney.

悉尼那晚也在派对上。

Sydney was at the party.

我就在旁边看着。

And then, you know, and I was watching that.

我当时看着他打悉尼，看了一会儿，然后他跟我说：‘接下来轮到你了。’

So I was watching him I was watching him beat Sydney for a while, and then he made and he's like, you're next.

我当时心想：糟了。

I'm like, oh, shit.

当然，打完悉尼之后，就轮到我了。

So, of course, after after Sydney, it was my turn.

他狠狠地打我的右脸颊，下手特别重。

And then, you know, he was really kind of doing a number on me on my right cheek.

快结束的时候，我右脸已经打得不行了，他就改用缓冲拍子，往我左脸上连抽了好几下。

And then towards the end, he did, my right cheek was so damaged that he did a bunch of swats on my left cheek with the with the buffy paddle.

对。

Mhmm.

这一点后面会很重要。

That will become relevant later on.

所以，那就是第二次的情况。

So then so so that was the second session.

我当时觉得这可能就是最后了，因为咱们本来计划在假期周末再碰一次，就像以前那样，我知道只要再见面，肯定又会有一场。

I thought that might be it because we were possibly gonna hook up over the again over the weekend on the holiday, kind of like we did before, and I knew that I was gonna get another session if we did that.

结果我那个常被欺负的家伙出现了，我就把他介绍给了那个‘霸凌者’，因为他一直听这个播客，知道这号人。

So then what happened is that my regular bully victim showed up, and I decided to intro I introduced him to, quote, the bully, because he knew he listens to the podcast.

我那个受害者也听这个播客。

My victim listens to the podcast.

所以他才来找我，说他一直有个‘霸凌’的幻想。

That's why he came to me and told me he he had the bully fantasy.

我就说：‘行啊，这就是你要找的霸凌者。』

So I was like, oh, well, here's the bully.

现在他明白我说的‘播客里的霸凌者’到底是谁了。

So now he knows who the bully is when I talk about the bully of the podcast.

于是我把他带进房间，好好收拾了一顿，打了好一会儿，干了些霸凌的事儿。

So so then I drag him back into the victim, into a room to punish him, beat his ass for a while, and do bullying stuff.

对。

Yeah.

就像我平时那样。

Like I do.

这次我没怎么跟他玩太多。

I didn't really do a lot with him this time.

我那时候还有点疼，影响了状态。

I was still kind of, like, sore, and it was kind of distracting me.

我根本没进入角色。

I wasn't really getting into it.

我只是像对待普通人一样对他。

And I was just kind of treating him like I treat a normal person.

对。

Mhmm.

快结束的时候，事情就发生了。

And then so then when I'm wrapping up with him, here's what happens.

那简直太棒了。

And it was amazing.

那个霸凌者走了进来。

The bully comes walking in.

他看着我的受害者，问他：‘斯科特在欺负你吗？’

So he looks at my victim, and he says to him, is Scott bullying you?

就像这样？

Like that?

对。

Yes.

然后，这家伙就转向他。

And then here's what so this guy turns to him.

我的受害者立刻回答：‘是的，先生。’

My victim turns to him and immediately says, oh, yes, sir.

这话一出，霸凌者立刻转身，抓住我，把我推倒，让我趴在长凳上，又要打我。

He is, which at this point caused the bully and to turn around or to grab me and push me back over, push me over the bench that I had the victim bent over to to to paddle me again.

说来好笑，我根本没打算这么做。

Now here's the funny like, I did not plan to do this.