#5 萨里拉尼·维拉万，Rare印度尼西亚前项目总监及专业教练

嘿，伙计们。

Hey, guys.

最近怎么样？

What's up?

这周过得如何？

How's your week?

太棒了。

Amazing.

我和她度过了一段非常美好的时光。

I had an amazing time with her.

她真的提供了很多关于实践、行为改变的深刻见解，这是我迄今为止参与过的最引人入胜的谈话。

She really gave a lot of insights regarding practicing, behavioral change, In the future, this is the most fascinating talk I've ever had.

我参与的每一次谈话都令人惊叹不已。

Every talk I had has been mind blowing fascinating.

对我来说，你控制的是人而非事物本身。

For me, you control the humans rather than the thing itself.

如何

How

与人协作可以实现与环境的和谐共处。

working with people can live harmoniously with environment.

这

The

是啊。

Yeah.

不过有些关于印尼行动主义的情况我觉得挺有意思的。

But some things are interesting but I identify about the activism in Indonesia.

他们掌握着实现变革所需的基础知识和理论根基。

They are like the basic knowledge and the foundations in order to make the change that they want.

你们如何进行传播

How do you disseminate

比如大量的工作。

like lots of the work.

至少我们还有同理心。

Least we have the empathy.

至少我们还有支持我的同理心。

At least we have the empathy to promote me.

嘿，意思是这家伙正在竭尽全力。

Hey, mean this guy is doing a lot to do their best.

你可以评论，但至少我承认这一点。

You can comment, but at least I acknowledge that.

我会承认所有这些漏洞并拯救这些老虎。

I will acknowledge when to all of these loopholes and to save these these tigers.

你对它们有更多的欣赏。

You have more appreciation towards them.

这就是印尼目前所缺乏的吗？

Is that what Indonesia is lacking at the moment?

因为不是每个人都有获取信息的渠道。

Because not everyone has access to information.

连你掌握的信息也和他们不一样。

Even you don't have the same information as them.

那种程度的妥协，真的非常非常困难。

So that level of compromise, that's really, really hard.

这就是你被教导的道理。

And that's what you are taught.

你需要采取行动。

You need to do something.

你必须做自己的调研。

You have to do your research.

你必须完成自己的功课。

You have to do your homework.

然后你才能做出决定。

And then you make a decision.

对吧？

Right?

如果你这么做，现在正在发生什么？这就是人们的问题所在。

If you do that, what is going through right now That's the problem with people.

好的。

Okay.

我想问你点事情。

I wanna ask you something.

有什么看法吗？

Any perspective?

太阳基本上是无限的能量源。

Sun is basically infinite energy.

对吧？

Right?

但如果你说的是能源，要把阳光转化为能源，我们需要太阳能板。

But if you're talking about energy, to convert sunlight into energy, we need solar panels.

对吗？

Right?

目前太阳能电池板依赖空间。

Now solar panels rely on space.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对吧？

Right?

但另一个要素是零。

But the other component is zero.

即空间并非无限的。

Which is Space is not unlimited.

对吧？

Right?

能量是无限的，但将其转化为能量的空间有限。

The energy is unlimited, but the space in order to convert it to energy.

能量的来源是无限的。

The source of the energy is unlimited.

但将其转化为能源的空间是有限的。

But the space to convert it into energy is limited.

如果你仔细想想，它可以是任何东西。

If you think about it, It can be anything.

从某种意义上说，它甚至是。

Even it's a in a sense.

如果你这样表述，在一个压迫性政权中，处于顶层的人渴望自由。

If you put it like that, in an oppressive regime, the people that's sitting on top wants freedom.

也许吧。

Maybe.

我不知道。

I don't know.

所以我们进入枯竭期。

So we go in the runout.

好的。

Okay.

你辞职了。

You resign.

我能问问原因吗？

May I ask why?

你不必勉强。

You don't have to pass.

是啊。

Yeah.

我只是想先低调行事，好好考虑一下。

I just want to lay low and think about it first.

清洁工作

Cleaning

你为何不直接说你想退休，然后开车去看日落呢？

Why don't you just say I want to retire and just drive to the sunset?

没错。

Yeah.

光靠读书是行不通的。

And that doesn't work if you just read a book.

这很难，你知道吗？

It's hard, you know?

人们不太理解。

People don't understand well.

在你这个年纪确实很难。

It's hard at your age.

完全不是那个意思。

Doesn't mean that at all.

即便在我这个年纪，也很难。

Even at my age, hard.

所以我觉得，作为一个创业者来说，天啊。

So I think mean, speaking as an entrepreneur, yeah, like, oh my god.

那真的很有趣。

That was really fun.

明天见。

See you again tomorrow.

没关系。

It's okay.

祝你顺利。

Have a great thing.

这就是我以后的样子吗

Is this what I'm going to be like

你确定吗？

you sure?

你不打算改变吗？

Are you not going to change?

我觉得你会改变主意回来的

I I think you're going to change your decision and come back

来问你。

to ask you to ask.

老兄，我不是说这很绝望，但就像我之前说的，自己创业是一回事。

Man, that's like I'm not saying it's desperate, but that's like I was like, to start your own startup, it's one thing.

而经营一个非政府组织，就别想着管理团队了。

To be an NGO, don't manage a team.

对吧？

Right?

不对。

No.

不对。

No.

对吧？

Right?

那么。

Then.

是啊。

Yeah.

所以

So

如果没有优秀的领导者，就不会有向好的转变。

changes for the better would not happen if there is not a good leader.

任何良性变革的背后都有一位优秀的领导者。

There is always a good leader behind any good changes that happens.

如何优化你的优势

How to optimize your strength

舒适，我们很自我。

comfortable, we fit our ego a lot.

就像阿德勒写的，基本上你是想扼制，想折断他的手臂。

The thing that Adler wrote, right, Basically, you're trying to choke, you're trying to break his arm.

本质上这是在模拟谋杀。

Basically, it's simulating murder.

对吧？

Right?

在柔术中，有些打击类武术允许你拍地认输。

And in jujitsu, what's made what in jujitsu, some striking martial arts, you can tap.

所以如果你被按在地上，正被锁喉或即将被锁喉，最好直接放弃。

So if you're, like, on the ground and you're trying to be choked or loadedly choked, it's better just give up.

因为我是白带新手。

Because if I I'm a white belt.

对吧？

Right?

刚开始时，如果你是白带，基本上遇到黑带、蓝带甚至紫带就该认输。

I just started, if you're if you're a white belt, tap to black belts and blue belts and you can purple belts basically.

放下你的自尊心。

Your ego go.

没错。

Yeah.

六到十秒内，你的血液就会停止流动。

Sec six to ten seconds, your blood stops flowing.

超过十秒，大脑活动停止，然后你就死了。

More than ten seconds, brain activity stops, and then you're dead.

哇。

Wow.

是啊。

Yeah.

这简直是在模拟谋杀。

This is simulating murder.

真的。

Seriously.

也许最好及时停手，稍微放松一点。

Maybe it's better to just stop and just let go a little more.

没错。

Yeah.

这很有意思。

It's interesting.

如果你聘请教练，就是开始放下自我。

If you hire a coach, it's a start to letting your ego go.

放下你的自我。

Letting go of your ego.

这是加速你进步的一种方式。

It's a way to accelerate your progress.

我不 它可以

I don't It can be

失败再失败。

Failing and failing.

雷西科失败。

Resico failing.

雷西科失败。

Resico failing.

是啊。

Yeah.

嗯哼。

Uh-uh.

比如，我们有那个吗？

Like, do we have that?

听而不行，知而不行，就是在浪费钱，因为我有很多客户。要接受培训，必须得是毕业生之类的吗？

Listen or don't act upon it, you don't apply the knowledges, or you're just wasting your money because I've had a lot of clients In order to train, do you have to be a graduate or something?

酷。

Cool.

酷。

Cool.

酷。

Cool.

哇。

Wow.

太棒了。

Great.

到目前为止，这是一次非常棒的体验。

It's been an amazing experience so far.

好的，那么什么样的人

Okay, so what type of people

接受教练指导，教练指导，就能变得更好。

have coaching, coaching, can get good.

总体来说，效果非常好。

In general, are very good.

我们正在拥抱并加速作为人类的自我成长。

We are embracing and accelerating our own growth as human beings.

首先你得自己想要。

You have to want it first.

你得感觉到你需要

You have to feel that you need

它。

it.

需要它。

Need it.

不想要吗？

Not wanted?

需要。

Need.

需要。

Need.

是的。

Yes.

好的。

Okay.

如果你想获得帮助或需要指导，就联系她。

Contact her if you want to be helped or do you need to be coached.

现在谢谢大家的聆听。

Now thank you guys for listening.

我几分钟后见。

I'll see you in a few minutes.

谢谢大家的收听。

Thank you guys for listening.

下一集将在下周五早上发布。

Next episode will be uploaded Friday morning next week.

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Follow the Instagram, guys.

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The day way at day way podcast.

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FmDevapodcast See you guys, thank you for watching.