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嗨。
Hi.
欢迎回到《EatYourCrustPodcast》。
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我是Jisoo。
I'm Jisoo.
我是Crystal。
And I'm Crystal.
我们很久没聊过这个话题了，但以前Crystal和我经常回头反思自己作为亚裔美国人的身份。
So we haven't talked about this topic in a long time, but back in the day, Crystal and I used to kind of revisit and reflect on our Asian American identity a lot.
过去几年里，我们通过亚裔美国人生活的各种片段，慢慢梳理了这个话题。
And in the past few years or so, we've unpacked this topic through various slices of the Asian American life.
但今天，我们想干脆直接聊聊这个。
But today we thought it would be fun to talk about this head on.
比如现在觉得自己有多亚裔，生活中哪些习惯更偏向亚裔或更美国化，还有整个群体最近的状态。
So identifying how Asian we're currently feeling, the various habits that we might have that might lean Asian or more American, and just generally how the community has been.
那我们先从一个当下很热门的话题说起吧——世界杯。
So let's start this off by talking about something very topical, which is the World Cup.
你平时看世界杯的时候，会倾向于支持亚洲球队吗？
Do you think you tend to root for Asian teams in the World Cup?
说实话，我也不太确定。
Dude, I'm not sure.
每次看到亚洲人在任何场合取得成绩，不管是体育比赛还是别的国际赛事，我都会忍不住想：天啊，太棒了，亚洲加油！
I think there's always a part of me that's like when I see Asians succeeding in any kind of situation, whether it's like sports or I don't know some sort of world competition, I'm always like, oh my god, yes, go Asians.
我总是会不自觉地偏向他们。
I always gravitate a little towards it.
不过这次世界杯，参与的亚洲国家，准确说是东亚国家，只有韩国和日本，这也挺让人兴奋的。
But I think this time for World Cup, the only Asian or at least, like, East Asian countries participating were South Korea and Japan, which is also very, like, exciting.
但说实话，我感觉没那么有代入感，毕竟不是中国队。
But I think, personally, there's slightly less attachment because it's not, like, China.
不过我还是会觉得：嗯，不错。
But I think still, I'm like, oh, nice.
如果他们赢了，我就会觉得特别开心。
If they get a win, you know, I'm like, yes.
给亚洲队伍加把劲。
One for the Asians.
确实如此。
So true.
我觉得我也是这样。
I think I'm like that too.
我对体育了解不多，也不太清楚体育背后的那些政治、谁是明星谁不是，除了网上疯传的那些梗。
I just don't know as much about sports and, like, the politics of sports and who's a star and who's not beyond the memes that go viral on my feed.
我这种简单直接的想法就是，要是亚洲队伍能在一项通常不是亚洲人占优势的运动里赢一次，那该多好。
My simplistic brain is kind of like, oh, it would be nice for an Asian team to win in a sport that's not usually dominated by Asians.
对。
Mhmm.
所以我还是忍不住为韩国队和日本队加油，虽然他们最后没走太远。
So I found myself cheering on Korea or Japan through their games, Although, we didn't make it very
太远了。
far.
不好意思。
Sorry.
我觉得就是当你在屏幕上看到一个长得有点像你的人，就会那样。
I think it's just like when you see on the screen someone who looks kind of like yourself, then Yeah.
你会不自觉地更想支持他们。
You're automatically a little inclined to root for them.
没错。
Totally.
但这确实让人思考，我们内心支持谁的优先级是怎么排序的？
Although it does beg the question of how does the hierarchy of who we root for work in our own personal systems?
比如，如果决赛是中、美、加三国争冠。
For example, if it was like China, USA, Canada in the top three.
我没有第四选项，所以世界杯就只能支持前三名了。
I have no fourth option, so we're going top three for the World Cup.
你该怎么为他们加油呢？
How would you be rooting for them?
你懂的。
You know?
这是个很好的问题。
That's a really good question.
我觉得美国可能排最后。
I think USA might be last.
抱歉。
Sorry.
加拿大和中国之间啊，天哪。
Between Canada and China oh, dude.
这真的很难选。
That that's actually really tough.
我不确定。
I don't know.
也许得看平时哪支队伍更强一些。
Maybe it would depend on who's the better team usually.
就是你觉得谁更该赢，对吧。
Like, who you feel like deserves a win Yeah.
从历史角度来看？
In terms of history?
是的。
Yeah.
我实话跟你说吧。
I'm not gonna lie.
这三支队伍在世界杯上都是黑马。
All three of those teams are underdog teams for World Cup.
差别只在于它们有多不起眼。
It's just the level of how underdog they are.
对。
Yeah.
你呢？
What about you?
如果非要排个顺序，比如韩国和美国，你更倾向谁？
Do you have a particular order if it were to come down to Korea, USA?
第三个我不太清楚。
I don't know about a third one.
这次就只看前两名吧。
It's just the top two in this case.
我的话，肯定会支持韩国。
I mean, I would definitely root for Korea.
这一点我毫不犹豫。
I feel like there's no hesitation in that.
这应该算是个明确的选择。
I guess that's an easy one.
但再往下就有点复杂了，对吧？
But then it gets a little bit more complicated, right?
因为在自己国家，我们对某些球队都有很明确的感情倾向。
Because within our countries, I feel like we have a clear like attachment to some of the teams.
假设世界杯四强是韩国、日本、法国和德国这样的组合，
But say you're watching the World Cup top four and it's Korea, Japan, France, and like Germany or something.
那你这时候会支持谁呢？
Like, would you root for in that case?
天哪。
Oh my god.
就是那些明显是亚洲或非亚洲、但跟你个人没什么关联的国家。
Countries that are clearly Asian or non Asian but not like personal association.
兄弟，我估计还是会支持亚洲的球队。
Dude, I'd probably be rooting for those Asian teams.
当然了。
For sure.
我也是。
Me too.
我想归根结底，我们就是对亚洲文化有种天然的亲近感。
I guess it's just like, at the end of the day, we feel like an association to whatever the Asian culture is.
哪怕再牵强、再离谱，心里还是会觉得有点联系。
Even if it's the most random or biggest stretch of all time, there's still a little bit of connection there.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
That's true.
我觉得正因如此，看《Physical 100 Asia》才这么有意思。
I think this is what made watching the show Physical 100 Asia so interesting.
我之前说过，我简单的标准一般是支持弱者，但通常也会支持亚洲队伍。
Like I mentioned, my simplistic system is generally root for the underdog, but usually also root for like the Asian teams.
对。
Yeah.
但在《Physical 100 Asia》里，所有人都是亚裔。
But on Physical 100 Asia, everyone was Asian.
所以我不得不放下成见，真正为每个选手加油。
So then I was forced to like break down and actually root for individual people.
等等。
Wait.
这话说得对。
That's so true.
我记得这节目刚出来的时候，大家都特别惊讶，我们很多亚裔美国朋友也是，当时就愣住了。
I remember when that show first came out, it was just such a surprise to everyone, a lot of our friends who are also Asian American, because then it was like, wait.
所以我们其实不用再为了‘亚裔代表’去加油了，因为所有人都是亚裔。
So we don't need to just root for the Asian representation in this show because everyone's Asian.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得看这个节目让我意识到一件事，我不知道这算不算有问题，但有时候，看一个亚裔居多的节目，我会觉得更自在，因为我不用背负那种奇怪的内疚感或义务感——那种强迫自己必须支持亚裔选手、特别希望他们赢的负担。
I think in some ways, watching that show made me realize, I don't know if this is problematic, but sometimes it just feels more comfortable for me to watch a show that features more Asians or like a majority of Asians because then I don't feel the like weird guilt or obligation, like self imposed guilt and obligation of having to root for the Asian person or really wanting desperately for the Asian person to succeed and do well.
我看电影、电视剧，尤其是真人秀的时候，这种感觉特别强烈。
And I think I feel this a lot when I watch movies or TV shows or reality TV shows is probably where I feel it the most.
我最受不了的就是那个唯一的亚裔角色被淘汰，或者看到虚构的亚裔角色干坏事。
I just hate to see the token Asian character get eliminated or watch, like, the token Asian fictional character do something evil.
不行，这不行。
I'm like, no.
你想想，就这一个代表亚裔的角色，
You're like, there's
结果居然成了反派。
one piece of representation, and it turns out to be the bad character.
是啊。
Yeah.
没错。
Exactly.
我觉得你说得特别对。
I I think that's totally fair.
其实最近我就有这种感觉，因为我正在看一部情景喜剧。
And I felt that recently, actually, because there's this sitcom that I'm watching.
里面有个亚裔角色。
There's, like, an Asian character in it.
我当时就惊了。
And I was like, oh my god.
我说不清我是真的喜欢这个角色，还是因为他是亚裔我才喜欢他。
I can't tell if I just love this character or if this character's Asian, so I love them.
对。
Yeah.
这就像我们从小因为是亚裔而被排斥，留下的心理创伤。
It's like the PTSD that we have from a young age of feeling ostracized as being Asian.
当然，我小时候没那么强烈，毕竟是在湾区长大的，但我觉得在整体美国文化里，这种感觉还是存在的。
And granted, like, I didn't have it as intensely because I grew up in the Bay Area, but I think you still feel it in the general, like, American sense.
没错。
Mhmm.
但即便我们的社群和代表性已经进步了很多，这种感觉却始终挥之不去。
But it just never goes away despite the fact that our community and representation has come a long way.
明白了。
Okay.
不过反过来讲，现在的情况是，我们有了越来越多的亚裔角色，多到有时候这些角色居然成了反派。
But also, I guess on the flip side, there's almost the I don't know if it's, like, the argument necessarily, but there's the phenomenon of now you're like, oh, we are getting more Asian representation so much so that sometimes our characters are evil now.
他们可以扮演各种类型，而不再只是那种千篇一律的亚裔形象。
They can occupy other spaces without just being some sort of generic Asian character.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
That's true.
我确实喜欢看到塑造得很好的亚裔反派角色。
And I do like seeing a good, solid, evil Asian character.
尤其是当他们演得特别到位的时候。
Especially when it's well done.
我觉得我们升级了。
I'm like, oh, we've leveled up.
现在我们解锁了角色二级。
We've now unlocked character level two.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
以前呢，尤其是在亚洲角色的呈现上，常见的是个书呆子亚裔，出现在剧集或电影里。
Because I feel like before, it might be common where especially within, like, you know, the Asian representation, maybe it's like an Asian nerd in the show or movie or whatever.
然后我们就说，好吧。
And we're like, okay.
我们只是个背景角色，推动一下剧情而已。
We're just, like, some background character providing some plot movement, I guess.
但现在不一样了，我们可能在电影里有了真正重要的角色。
But now it's like, oh, we have maybe a legitimate role in the movie.
是的。
Yeah.
看到这种成长、多样性和拓展，真的让人感觉特别好。
It's so nice to have growth and variety and expansion.
我觉得现在餐饮和美食领域也正在发生同样的变化。
And I feel like I'm also seeing it in the restaurant and, like, food space now too.
小时候，印象里就只有那种千篇一律的韩式豆腐店，还有普通的中餐馆之类的。
Before growing up, I feel like there was the generic Korean tofu house and then, like, the generic Chinese family restaurant or whatever.
我们 neighborhood 里也就那么几家这样的店。
And then there's, like, a couple of those in our neighborhood or something.
但现在，我看到的餐饮种类丰富多了。
And now there's a huge variety of cuisines that I see.
比如，有专门做腌蟹的韩式餐厅，还有专门做某种菜的店。
You know, there's, like, specialized restaurants, like a Korean restaurant that specializes in marinated crab and things like that.
就连奶茶店也细分了，有的专做花香茶底，有的则主打自家制作的配料。
And even within like the boba space, now we have the boba shop that specializes in floral tea and like the boba shop that specializes in homemade toppings.
现在看到餐饮和奶茶店不再只有一种千篇一律的模式，真的挺棒的。
It's just really cool to see that there's not just one generic template for restaurants and boba shops now.
确实如此。
So true.
说到奶茶，最近我注意到不少人讨论奶茶行业本身也在发生变化。
Speaking of boba especially, I've been seeing some commentary lately on how there's been an evolution within the boba space.
对。
Mhmm.
我们上小学到高中那会儿，很多奶茶店都属于那种亚裔美国人风格的。
When we were probably in elementary school to high school, a lot of our boba shops were what this person called Asian American.
比如珍珠表达店之类的。
So examples would be, like, tapioca express Oh.
或者天哪。
Or oh my god.
我一时想不起来了。
I can't even think
另一个例子，比如Quickly's或者Verde。
of another example.
对，就是那种。
Like, Quickly's or Verde, I guess.
是的，没错。
Oh, yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
那时候的店主要是本地人，可能是第一代移民或者移民子女开的，他们打造的波霸茶店很有亚裔美国特色。
It was basically, like, people here, maybe, like, first generation or child of immigrants, and they're creating these, like, boba shops that are kind of distinctly, like, Asian American.
随着时间推移，这种模式慢慢发生了变化。
As time went on, there's been this evolution.
中间出现了一波从亚洲直接引进的连锁店。
Like, towards the middle, there was this wave of places that came from Asia.
对。
Mhmm.
Gong Cha 是从中国来的。
Gong Cha, which came from China.
Happy Lemon，我记得好像是来自中国或者台湾之类的。
Happy Lemon, I think that one might have come from China or Taiwan or something like that.
现在呢，又出现了一批来自亚洲的、更高端的奶茶店，特别火。
And and now we've reached the point where it's like these quote unquote fancier shops that are all from Asia that are super popular now.
所以现在这些奶茶店不再是亚裔美国人开的了，而是纯粹的亚洲店铺。
So now instead of these boba shops being Asian American, they're straight up just Asian.
哦，有意思。
Oh, interesting.
确实如此。
That's true.
这还挺搞笑的。
And it's so funny.
我小时候根本没觉得 Tapioca Express 或者 Quickly's 是亚裔美国人开的。
I didn't even feel like Tapioca Express or, like, Quickly's were Asian American growing up.
我本来还以为这些店是来自中国或台湾之类的。
I guess I just assumed it was from China or Taiwan or something.
对。
Mhmm.
你说得真对。
But you're so right.
我觉得这些新来的珍珠奶茶店在宣传时，中文招牌都更显眼了。
I feel like even the marketing of these new boba places that are coming over display some of the Chinese text more visibly.
它们更愿意保持原汁原味的亚洲风格。
They're just more willing to be authentically Asian.
是的。
Yeah.
我很喜欢这样。
And I like that.
这种风格很大胆，也恰恰是吸引人们去光顾的原因。
It's like very bold and it's also what attracts people to the shops too, think.
是的。
Yeah.
那种鲜明的品牌风格。
The strong branding.
我觉得随着时间推移，大家的口味也变得更讲究了。
I feel like people's tastes have also refined with the shops over time.
对。
Mhmm.
以前啊，像Quickly啊、Tapioca Express那些时候，大家主要看的是甜不甜。
You know, back in the day, during these, like, Quickly's and, like, tapioca express times, a lot of it was about the sweetness.
对吧？
Right?
没错。
Right.
茶是有的，但重点其实是往里加奶。
Tea, but mostly it's, like, we're adding milk to it.
我们现在是在加风味进去。
We're adding flavor to it.
而且你知道，以前我们只想着加珍珠，但现在呢，天啊，变化太大了。
And, you know, we're trying to put in the tapioca pearls, but now it's like, oh my god.
那茶本身到底有多好？
How good is, like, the tea?
是烘烤过的吗？
Is it roasted?
我们做茶的时候特别讲究，茶叶都是精准烘烤的。
Like, you know, the we we, like, make our tea so especially, like, we roast it perfectly.
对。
Right.
从这以后，其实就不需要加太多别的东西了。
And then from there, you actually don't add as much stuff.
奶茶本身没那么流行了。
Milk teas themselves are not as popular.
现在大部分都是果茶，或者就是纯茶加点配料。
A lot of it now is, like, fruit teas or just, like, straight up tea plus Mhmm.
你知道的，随便加点什么 toppings 都行。
You know, whatever toppings.
大家都慢慢变成懂行的波霸品鉴师了。
So everyone's kind of become, I don't know, like, refined boba tasters.
真的，我懂。
Dude, I know.
我记得我们高中去 Verde 的时候，最火的口味是芋头奶茶，就是那种往奶茶里加的粉状东西。
I feel like when we used to go to Verde or something in high school, the most popular flavors were, like, taro milk tea, which, you know, it's, the powdery stuff that you put into the milk teas.
对。
Yeah.
泰式奶茶那时候也特别火。
Thai tea was like super popular.
我总是点加波霸的，而且甜度一定要满甜。
Like I was always getting boba in it, always like a 100% sweet.
是的
Yeah.
现在我会特意挑自己喜欢的茶叶来泡波霸茶了。
And now I find myself picking out which tea leaf I want brewed for my boba.
是的
Yeah.
真的假的。
Seriously.
我喝的是零糖，因为配料本身就已经够甜了。
And I'm like 0% sugar because the topping will, you know, have sweetness or whatever.
对
Mhmm.
对
Mhmm.
我以前超爱那种奶泡满满的弗德麦芽茶，真的。
And I'm like, I used to love that frothy verde malt tea, dude.
兄弟，我也是。
Dude, same.
是的。
Yeah.
然后我经常听人说，天哪。
And then I also hear a lot of people being like, oh my god.
这家店的乌龙茶最棒。
This place, their oolong tea is the best.
或者这家店的茉莉花茶特别好喝。
Or, like, this place, their jasmine tea is super good.
我就想，天哪。
And I'm like, oh my god.
什么时候大家突然这么在意喝什么茶了？
Since when did everyone start caring about what kind of tea?
没错。
True.
以前大家不就只分绿茶和红茶吗？
They used to just be like, yeah, green tea or black tea?
反正咱们最后也要往里倒一大堆牛奶。
We're about to dump hella milk in here anyway.
某种程度上，我觉得这挺有意思的。
In some ways, think it's cool.
我喜欢看这种竞争。
I like to see the competition.
我喜欢关注亚洲那边的潮流，然后看它们传到湾区，变得人人都能买到。
I like to see what's trending in Asia, come over here to the bay and have it be accessible.
但同时我又觉得，唉，真不好意思，我居然在笑话以前在Verde常点的饮品。
But also at the same time, I'm like, damn, it pains me to like make fun of what I used to order at Verde.
话一出口我就后悔了，因为我知道那种饮品还是有它的位置的。
I like instantly regretted it as soon as it came out of my mouth because I still think there's like a space for that.
偶尔我确实还会回去，重温一下Verde的经典款——毕竟他们 Cupertino 还开着店，我还是会去点一杯加椰果的奶盖茶，就为那份怀旧的感觉。
And occasionally I actually will go back to I think the Verde move, but they still have like a shop in Cupertino and I'll like still go back and get my frothy milk tea with coconut jelly just for the nostalgia of it all.
所以我在想，会不会有一种情况，亚裔美国人的波霸茶店能和这些来自亚洲的、竞争激烈的波霸店共存，还是说这代表一个时代的终结？
So I'm like, is there a world where, you know, the Asian American boba shops can coexist with these like hyper competitive boba shops coming from Asia, or is it just, like, the end of a of a generation?
老兄，这问题问得好。
Dude, that's a good question.
我担心，这可能真的就是个时代的结束了。
My fear is that it might just be the end of a end of an era.
真让人感慨。
Damn.
我觉得，某种程度上，这简直像是喝茶被商业化了。
I feel like in a way, it's almost like the commodification of drinking tea.
这其实是当代人喝茶的方式。
Like, it's the modern generation's way of drinking tea.
是的。
Yeah.
我们父母那一代更传统，就是直接泡茶， plain and simple 地喝。
When our parents' generation is more old school where they'll, you know, just straight up brew tea and drink it.
这简直像是转了一圈又回来了，因为最近我跟一个超爱喝珍珠奶茶的人待在一起。
It's almost a full circle moment because recently, I was hanging out with someone who's, like, obsessed with boba.
是的。
Mhmm.
他们说，老兄，说实话，有时候我会自己买茶叶，回家泡茶喝，那感觉也特别好。
And they're like, dude, honestly, sometimes I'll just, like, buy tea leaves, and I'll I'll brew tea at home, and that's also really nice.
我一听，等等。
And I'm like, wait.
这不就是单纯喝茶吗？
That's just drinking tea.
等等。
Wait.
我快笑死了。
I'm dying.
我心想，等等。
I'm like, wait.
这不就是我们父母那一代人平时做的事吗。
That's just, like, what our parents do.
你想想，这其实是上万年前人们就有的做法。
You're like, that's literally how people did it like ten thousand years ago.
天哪。
Holy shit.
你想想，以后所有正式场合用茶的仪式，都会被波霸奶茶取代。
Dude, can you imagine in the future every formal activity that includes tea gets replaced with boba.
真的吗。
Dude.
你结婚的时候。
You you get married.
举行的是茶道仪式。
You have a tea ceremony.
我的天。
Oh my god.
你倒的是茉莉花茶。
You're pouring You pour them molly tea.
等等。
Wait.
这太搞笑了。
That's so funny.
你还会问：要珍珠还是椰果、荔枝果冻？
You're like, would you like pearls or, like, coconut jelly, lychee jelly?
我觉得最搞笑的是，你其实根本不太喝珍珠奶茶。
I think also the funniest thing about all this is you low key, like, don't drink boba.
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
没错。
That's true.
但我确实喝茶。
But I do drink tea.
不过我平时喝的都是不含咖啡因的茶。
But usually, I drink, like, non caffeinated teas.
就是草本茶。
So herbal teas.
对。
Yeah.
我很少喝珍珠奶茶，部分原因也是因为到了某个时间点，喝了肯定睡不着。
And that's, like, also partially why I don't drink boba because after a certain hour, it just definitely fucks with my sleep.
所以有趣的是，每次和特别爱喝珍珠奶茶的人一起出门，路过奶茶店时，我总在找那些不含咖啡因的选项，最后买回来的往往是某种果汁冰沙之类的。
So the funny thing is, often, whenever we hang out with people who do really like boba and we stop by a boba shop, I'm always looking at the, like, non caffeinated results, and I come out with, like, some sort of smoothie or, like,
比如果味冰砖之类的。
you know, like, fruit icy or some
乱七八糟的东西。
shit.
说实话，我觉得这些饮品的质量这些年也提升了不少。
And, honestly, I feel like those have also got more refined over time.
对。
Mhmm.
以前就是纯纯的碎冰饮。
Like, before, it's just straight up a slushie, essentially.
但现在变成特别精致的水果奶昔，真材实料。
But now it's, like, this super fancy, like, fruit smoothie with, like True.
上面还加了新鲜水果，再配上一些配料，比如西米、珍珠之类的。
Fruit on top and, like, also some toppings, like sago or, like, pearls or whatever.
我喝着自己这杯水果饮品，感觉也融入了大家的氛围。
And I feel included drinking my fruity ass drink with everyone else.
老兄，我还记得咱们以前在南湾的时候，经常买TPT。
Dude, I just remember we would get TPT a lot back when we were all in South Bay.
是的。
Yeah.
你总是点蜂蜜柠檬芦荟味的。
You would always get the honey lemon aloe.
是的。
Yeah.
我们以前经常去。
We used to go often.
你差不多每周喝两次吧。
So you're, like, drinking that, like, twice a week or something.
还有一个好选择是冬瓜茶。
Another good hack is winter melon tea.
对。
Mhmm.
如果他们做的冬瓜茶是纯的，那就不含咖啡因。
Usually, that one, if they make it just pure winter melon tea, it's non caffeinated.
所以这是一款挺不错的饮品。
So that's a pretty good drink to have.
这对所有不喝咖啡因的人都是个实用建议。
It's a hot tip for all the decaf people out there.
是的
Yep.
这让我想起你其实不太吃米饭。
This actually also reminds me of how you don't really eat rice.
哦，对啊。
Oh, yeah.
你另一个不那么亚洲的特点。
Your other non Asian trait.
这可能是我最不像亚洲人的地方了。
This might be, like, my most non Asian trait I have.
我直接说吧，好吧。
I just straight up well, okay.
不过我要补充一下，如果米饭是餐食的一部分，我也会吃。
I will caveat by saying I do eat rice when it's, like, ingrained in the meal.
嗯，明白。
Uh-huh.
融在菜里。
Ingrained.
热乎的。
Hot.
不错。
Nice.
不过通常呢，你知道，我们在餐厅里，有人会说，哎，要几碗米饭？
But, typically, you know, we're at a restaurant and someone's like, oh, how many bowls of rice do
你们都需要吗？
you all need?
我就别算一个了。
I'm like, don't count one for me.
我是说，我一般不单独吃米饭，但如果米饭是餐食的一部分，比如寿司、寿司碗或者炒饭之类的，那我就会吃。
Like, I'm just not gonna but if it's more part of the meal, for example, like sushi or like a sushi bowl or, you know, like fried rice
对。
Mhmm.
我会吃。
I will eat it.
不然的话，我真的不太爱吃米饭。
Otherwise, yeah, I'm just not a huge rice fan.
我永远都改不了这个习惯。
I'll, like, never get over it.
我觉得这特别有意思。
It's so interesting to me.
我觉得，尤其是作为韩国人，米饭有时候是正餐里必不可少的一部分。
I think especially as a Korean, sometimes rice is a necessary component of the meal.
比如吃豆腐汤的时候，汤是咸的。
Because when you have, like, tofu soup, for example, it's salty.
对吧？
Right?
又辣又咸。
It's, like, spicy and salty.
之所以这么咸，就是为了配一碗白米饭一起吃。
And the reason that it's salty is so that you could, like, have it with a bowl of rice on the side.
我真没法想象有人会不喜欢它，或者不想吃米饭——毕竟你总得配着那些咸味的菜吧？
Then I just can't imagine, like, not enjoying it or, like, not preferring to have rice because I'm like, what about all the salty stuff you have to eat?
没错，确实如此。
Dude, yeah.
这种说法我听过好多次了。
I've heard that a lot.
比如我们出去吃饭的时候。
Like, sometimes we'll go out to eat.
通常大家点汤都会额外加一份米饭。
Normally, people always order a side of rice with whatever soup.
对。
Mhmm.
我特别爱吃汤。
And I'm a big soup fan.
所以别人就会说：什么？
So then people are like, what the fuck?
你不点米饭吗？
You're not gonna order any rice?
或者，你根本没用米饭配汤吃？
Or, like, you didn't touch your rice with your soup.
我就说：哦，对啊。
And I'm like, oh, yeah.
我不是特别爱吃米饭。
I'm not a huge rice person.
他们就会问：什么？
They're like, what the fuck?
第一，你没事吧？
One, like, are you okay?
第二，你光喝汤就饱了？
And two, are you still full after this meal, like, just drinking soup?
没错。
Right.
我就说，兄弟啊，
And I'm like, dude,
我完全没问题。
I'm totally fine.
真的很好吃。
Like, it was delicious.
太不可思议了。
So wild.
我想，如果有的话，大家通常还是会选面条吧。
I mean, I guess you do usually opt for, like, the noodle option if it's available.
是的。
Yeah.
我更喜欢面条而不是米饭。
I'm a noodles over rice person.
对。
Mhmm.
好吧。
Okay.
部分原因是我喜欢把食物分开吃。
Part of it is because I kind of eat things separately.
比如说，如果旁边配了一碗米饭，我先把别的都吃掉。
You know, if I just get a bowl of rice on the side, I'm gonna eat everything else.
到最后，就剩下一碗白米饭了。
And then at the end, I'll be left with just a bowl of white rice.
哦，这挺有意思的。
Oh, interesting.
我现在其实已经不想再吃这个了。
I'm not really trying to eat this anymore.
所以这也就是我不太喜欢米饭的主要原因。
So that is a big reason why I'm, like, not super into rice.
如果我们一起分享一道开胃菜，比如海鲜煎饼，那怎么算呢？
How does it work if we're sharing, like, an appetizer or something or, like, a seafood pancake on the table?
你还是会把海鲜煎饼当成和汤之间分开吃的那一部分吗？
Would you still consider eating that in between your, like, bits of soup as separate?
是的。
Yes.
不过我觉得海鲜煎饼一般上得比较早。
But I think usually the seafood pancake comes early.
对。
Mhmm.
所以我通常会吃一两块，
So I'll probably have, like, one or two pieces,
然后主菜上来，我就专心吃主菜了。
and then the main meal will come, and I'll be fully focused on the main meal.
哦。
Oh.
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是的。
Yeah.
挺有意思的。
Interesting.
所以你是那种按菜品顺序吃的类型。
So you're like a course menu type of person.
等等，老兄。
Dude, wait.
是的。
Yeah.
其实没错。
Exactly, actually.
我
I
我觉得如果它在中间上桌，我可能会停下正在做的事，吃一两块。
think maybe if it came kind of in the middle, I might pause what I'm doing and eat, like, one or two pieces of the Mhmm.
开胃菜啊、煎饼啊，随便什么，吃上一两口就立刻回到正事上。
Appetizer or pancake or whatever, and then immediately go back to fully focused on the main deal.
这说法太搞笑了。
That's hella funny.
我喜欢你这么描述。
I like how you're describing it.
就像产品路线图一样。
Like, it's like a product road map or something.
你这么说：我们得把米饭在路线图里往后排。
You're like, we have to deprioritize rice in this road map.
当然了。
Yeah, for sure.
而且说实话，我也不确定。
Also, I mean, I don't know.
你有没有觉得，有时候这其实就是一堆空卡路里？
Don't you feel like sometimes it's a bit of like empty carbs?
是的，我确实有这种感觉，但我通常不会强迫自己吃完一碗饭，除非真的觉得该吃完。
Yes, I do feel that, but I combat that by not finishing my bowl of rice unless I feel like I need to finish it.
没错。
Right.
对我来说，吃米饭主要是为了中和嘴里其他食物的咸味。
For me, it's like I use the rice to balance out the saltiness of whatever I'm eating.
以前吃火锅的时候，我总会配点米饭。
I used to get rice with, like, hot pot.
对。
Mhmm.
最近我吃得少了，但以前只要吃辣乎乎、咸乎乎的汤，我就非得有米饭不可。
I guess recently I haven't done it as much, but I used to always need it if there was some sort of spicy salty soup.
说实话，这很有道理。
Honestly, that's super fair.
有些菜如果没有一个中性的主食搭配，确实会太咸了。
Sometimes dishes can be a little overly salty without some sort of neutral base.
对。
Right.
我不确定。
I don't know.
也许我现在已经习惯了。
Maybe I'm just, like, used to it now.
但另一方面，我也在想，既然有这么多好吃的东西，干嘛非得用清淡的白米饭填肚子呢？
But also, there's a big chunk of me thinking, like, why would I fill my stomach with bland white rice when I can fill it more with all this yummy other stuff?
老兄，真想听听你跟我们的朋友杰西卡辩论这个话题。
Dude, I wanna hear you debate this topic with our friend Jessica.
顺便提一下杰西卡，她是我知道的最爱吃米饭的人。
Shout out Jessica because she is the biggest rice lover I know.
老兄，这话太对了。
Dude, that's so true.
这确实勾起了不少回忆。
That brings back memories for sure.
我记得大学时候她就特别爱吃米饭，到现在还是这样。
I remember in college, she was a big fan of rice and still is now.
是的。
So Yeah.
好吧。
Okay.
但有意思的是，在中国有个普遍的说法：北方人更爱吃面食，而不是米饭。
But interestingly, within China, there's a bit of a generalization that if you're from Northern China, you tend to like flour over rice.
也就是说，他们更倾向于吃面包、面条、饺子这类东西。
So that usually means you tend to gravitate towards things like bread, noodles, dumplings.
你的碳水化合物来源主要是面食。
You know, like, your carb is more flour based.
对。
Mhmm.
而南方人则更偏爱米饭，而不是面食。
And then if you're from the South, then you tend to like rice over flour.
所以确实存在这种区别，但我并不是在中国长大的。
So there is a bit of that distinction, but it's not like I grew up in China.
所以我的这种偏好并不是因为成长环境而形成的。
So it's not necessarily like I formed this preference due to where I grew up.
对。
Mhmm.
但有趣的是，当我遇到我父母的同龄朋友时，他们就会说，哦，Crystal有点北方人的风格。
But it's just interesting because then if I meet friends of my parents, they'll be like, oh, like, Crystal is kind of northern style.
就像她比较喜欢面食，而不是米饭。
Like, she likes flour based stuff over rice.
你喜欢吃面包吗？
Do you like bread?
这个得看情况。
It depends.
我觉得，就是那种普通的面包，我倒是无所谓，吃不吃都行。
I think, like, just plain old bread, I'm kinda like whatever about.
是的。
Mhmm.
但有些面包我还是挺喜欢的。
But some bread is exciting to me, I guess.
我觉得我还是更喜欢面包而不是米饭。
But I think I do prefer bread over rice.
哦，明白了。
Oh, okay.
对。
Yeah.
这说得通。
That makes sense.
我还喜欢玉米饼这一类的东西。
And I like tortillas and stuff.
我觉得你确实喜欢玉米饼。
I think that counts as You do like tortillas.
在面包这个类别里。
Within the bread category.
老兄，我记得你之前说过，是的。
Dude, I remember you were like, yeah.
有时候我饿了，就会把玉米饼放进微波炉热一热，直接吃。
Sometimes when I'm hungry, I'll just, like, microwave a tortilla and eat it.
我当时就想，啊？
I was like, what?
不过，玉米饼真的超棒。
But, yeah, tortillas are kinda bomb.
我
I
现在明白了。
see now.
这完全跟地域有关。
It's all geographical.
你父母吃米饭吗？
Do your parents eat rice?
吃。
Yes.
其实我爸爸吃很多米饭。
Actually, my dad eats a lot of rice.
我妈妈吃得少一点。
My mom eats a little bit.
我觉得她对米饭挺中立的。
I think she's more neutral on it.
对。
Mhmm.
要是有米饭，她吃饭时会一起吃。
If it's there, she'll enjoy it with the meal.
要是没有，她也不会特意去要。
If not, she might not necessarily go out of her way to ask for it.
是的。
Mhmm.
但我觉得我爸爸特别爱吃米饭。
But I think my dad kinda loves rice.
哦。
Oh.
所以我觉得你更像你妈妈，不过可能更不太爱吃米饭。
So I guess you lean closer to, like, your mom, but maybe more rice averse.
对。
Yeah.
挺有意思的。
Interesting.
那你们家有电饭煲吗？
So then do you own a rice cooker at home?
现在有的。
Right now, yes.
但通常没有。
But usually, no.
好吧。
Okay.
最近我搬去和男朋友一起住，他确实吃米饭。
So recently, I moved in with my boyfriend, and he does eat rice.
所以他有个电饭煲，我们家有电饭煲就全是因为他。
So he has a rice cooker, and that's the only reason we have a rice cooker in the house.
等等。
Wait.
所以你们以前没住一起的时候，他是不是每次来你这儿吃饭，都得从自己家带个饭盒装着米饭过来？
So then if you guys were eating at your place, like, before you guys moved in together, would he just, like, pack a Tupperware of rice from home to, like, eat it with the meal?
天哪。
Oh my god.
等等。
Wait.
其实他吃什么都可以。
Actually, he would just eat whatever.
我们当时决定吃什么，他就吃什么。
Whatever we, like, decide on in the Yeah.
就是临时决定的。
In the moment.
我老是想，我们那天到底吃了啥？
I'm I'm like, what did we eat?
有时候就是特别简单的东西。
Sometimes it would be very basic stuff.
我就说，行吧。
I'd be like, okay.
今天咱们吃健康点。
We're being healthy today.
就吃个沙拉，再加点鸡肉。
We're just gonna eat, like, a salad and some chicken.
是的。
Yeah.
但有时候我可能就会说，哦，行吧。
But maybe I would just be like, oh, okay.
比如，今天我想吃面条。
Like, I wanna eat noodles today.
那我们就吃面条。
So we'll eat noodles.
但我记得，刚在一起那会儿，有次特别有意思，他当时就说，哦，行吧。
But I remember actually really funnily, more early on in the relationship, He was like, oh, okay.
因为Crystal不太吃米饭。
So, like, Crystal doesn't really eat rice.
她更喜欢面条。
She likes noodles.
有一次我们在他家，他做了晚饭。
So one time we were at his place and he made dinner.
是的
Mhmm.
他真的做了一大桌平时配米饭吃的菜。
And he literally made a normal spread of food that you would normally eat with rice.
对
Mhmm.
然后他还特意给我单独煮了一碗面，搭配着那桌菜。
And then he made me, like, a bowl of noodles instead to go with it.
我当时就说，谢谢你。
And I was like, thank you.
但其实你不用这么麻烦的。
But also you didn't have to do this.
我就吃点蔬菜，不配主食也完全没问题。
Like, I can just eat the vegetables without, like, a carb base.
那样也很好啊。
That's so fine too.
他当时就说，哦。
And he was like, oh.
因为那其实就是一碗普通的面条。
Because it was just like a bowl of plain noodles.
我当时就想，等等。
And I was like, wait.
这本质上就跟一碗白米饭差不多。
This low key is the same as a bowl of plain white rice.
没放任何酱料。
Like, no sauce or anything.
就只是面条。
Just like noodles.
这可太搞笑了。
That's hella funny.
不过还挺暖心的。
That's sweet, though.
是的。
Yeah.
那你呢？
How about you, though?
你家有电饭煲吗？
Do you have a rice cooker at home?
有。
I do.
我Actually有两个。
I actually have two.
天哪。
Oh my god.
当年我和詹姆斯结婚的时候，收到了一个电饭煲。
So when James and I got married, we got a rice cooker.
好像是六杯容量的吧。
I think it was like a six cup or something.
一个标准的象印牌，老款，很靠谱。
A standard Zojirushi, old, reliable.
但我和詹姆斯在家其实吃得没那么多米饭。
But me and James actually also don't eat that much rice at home.
嗯，是这样。
Okay.
我喜欢吃米饭。
And I enjoy rice.
但就像你说的，要是吃鸡肉配沙拉之类的时候，根本不需要再配一碗米饭。
But like you mentioned, if we're having, like, chicken and salad or something, like, we don't need a side of rice on the side.
只有我做亚洲菜的时候才会吃米饭，而我又不是总做亚洲菜。
It's really only when I cook Asian food that we'll eat rice, and I'm not always cooking Asian food.
对。
Mhmm.
所以买个六杯容量的就有点过了，还占了挺大一块台面空间。
So then having, like, a six cup felt aggressive, and it, like, took a lot of space on the counter.
我妈妈给我寄了一个象牌的，三杯容量的小电饭煲。
My mom sent me a Cuckoo, a small three cup rice cooker.
因为这个小，煮饭特别快。
And because that one is a smaller one, it cooks the rice really fast.
我觉得可能是因为它像压力锅一样煮饭吧。
I think also because it's like pressure cooking the rice or something.
对。
Mhmm.
它二十分钟就能煮好三杯米。
So it cooks up to three cups of rice in twenty five minutes.
天哪。
Oh, shit.
这也太快了吧。
That is fast.
对吧？
Right?
这简直太合适了，因为我本来就不常一次煮很多米饭。
And it's just perfect because I also don't I'm not really the type to make, like, a lot of rice at once.
所以我通常就一次煮一杯米左右。
So I literally usually just make, like, one cup of rice at a time.
是的。
Yeah.
我妈妈也说，对。
My mom was like, yeah.
你根本不需要买六杯容量的。
You don't need a six cup for that.
现在我有两个电饭煲了，简直太棒了。
So now I have two rice cookers, and it's the best thing ever.
我超爱我的Cuckoo。
I love my cuckoo.
明白了。
Okay.
不是。
No.
你刚说‘是的’的时候，我正想说呢。
I was about to say when you first said, yeah.
我有两个电饭煲，其中一个能煮六杯米。
I have two rice cookers, and one is a six cup.
我当时就想，天哪。
I was like, oh my god.
你一个人住的时候就用六杯的电饭煲？
Like, you had the six cup when you were by yourself?
对。
Yeah.
那会儿刚好是我和詹姆斯刚结婚的时候。
I mean, it was, right when James and I got married.
我不清楚自己当时怎么就觉得家里突然需要
I don't know why I thought suddenly our household was like
扩大了三倍。
tripling in size.
不过，有客人来的时候用这个就太合适了。
I mean, it'll be great for when you have people over.
确实如此。
That's true.
如果要算我每周用电饭煲的频率，大概是一到两次吧。
If I had to quantify how how often I use my rice cooker, it's probably maybe like one to two times a week.
遇到大采购周，比如买了不少食材，或者从万客隆之类的地方囤货的时候，一周会用两次。
Two times a week on like a big rice week where I got like a wee delivery or like stuff by Mega Mart or something.
那叫一个亚洲风味大周。
Like it's like a big Asian week.
但有时候一整周我根本不会用它。
But sometimes we won't even use it at all in a week.
对。
Yeah.
所以这就看情况了。
So it just depends.
老兄，我得说实话。
Dude, I'm not gonna lie.
我压根儿没去注意过我们橱柜里那个电饭煲。
I haven't even looked at the rice cooker that's, like, in our cupboards.
但我的
But my
估计也就一到两杯量。
guess is it's, like, one to two cups.
哦，这也太小了吧。
Oh, that's really small.
基本上就是给一个人用的电饭煲。
Like, a one person rice cooker, essentially.
也许能到两杯。
Maybe it's two cups.
我待会儿去看看。
I'll check later.
但有时候，智旻会说，你今晚不回来吃晚饭了，或者他一个人吃午饭。
But sometimes, Jimin will be like, you're not coming home for dinner or, like, maybe he's alone for lunch.
他就会
He'll be
哦，挺好。
like, oh, nice.
我来做点米饭。
I'll make some rice.
你不在的时候，我就吃那些你平时不碰的米饭料理。
I'll eat whatever rice related dish that you don't usually eat when you're gone.
兄弟，这太真实了。
Dude, that's so real.
我觉得，和别人一起住，最真实的地方就在这儿。
I feel like that's, like, the realest part about moving in with someone.
就像你会把伴侣不爱吃的东西，留到他们忙的时候再吃。
It's like you save all of the things that your partner doesn't like for a day where they're busy.
对。
Yeah.
有一次我们还没住在一起的时候，他给我送过吃的。
One time before we were living together, he was bringing some food over.
我忘了是为什么了。
I forget why.
我们肯定是有个晚上的活动之类的，然后他说，哦，我有点吃的。
We must have been, like we had an evening activity or something, and then he was like, oh, I have some food.
他说，我出门前顺便带过来。
I'll just bring it over before we head out.
他真的给我带了一个那种带隔层的保鲜盒，一边装着米饭。
And he literally brought me this Tupperware that's, like, partitioned where he put rice on one side.
他说，对。
He's like, yeah.
我不确定你会不会吃这个。
I don't know if you'll eat that.
所以我干脆把米饭单独分出来，其他东西都放在主格里。
So I just, like, partitioned it out, and then everything else is on the main compartment.
这还真有点离谱。
It's actually wild.
我确实觉得，有时候米饭能给我提供能量。
I do feel like sometimes I do like the energy that rice gives me.
对。
Mhmm.
我也说不清楚。
I don't know.
有时候我会想，好吧。
Sometimes I'll be like, okay.
今天就该多吃点蛋白质。
Today's, like, a big protein day.
我得达到我的蛋白质摄入目标。
I need to hit my protein goals.
我把卡路里都省下来，主要留给蛋白质或者纤维。
Conserve all my calories for essentially, like, protein or fiber.
然后我会尽量减少碳水化合物的摄入。
And then I'll, like, try to minimize the carbs.
而且我觉得吃了之后脑子会变迟钝。
Then And I feel like it gives me brain fog.
我觉得有道理，碳水化合物，尤其是简单的那种，不就是给大脑供能的吗？
I think that makes sense because aren't carbs, simple carbs and stuff like that, brain food?
那种快速的能量，不正是大脑需要的吗？
Like, isn't that the type of quick energy that your brain needs?
对。
Mhmm.
但我发现，你说得没错。
But what I've discovered is you're right.
米饭真的是个不错的碳水来源，挺简单的，我觉得。
Rice is honestly a great carb source because it's pretty simple, I guess.
就是种简单的碳水之类的。
It's a simple carb or whatever.
对。
Yeah.
所以我明白了，像我这样的人，其实吃点米粉就够了。
So I realized, dude, the equivalent is for someone like me would just to eat stuff like rice noodles.
哦，等等。
Oh, wait.
哇哦。
Woah.
你这话真是让我大开眼界。
You're, like, blowing my mind here.
是的。
Yeah.
你说得对。
You're right.
你喜欢米粉吗？
Do you like rice noodles?
老兄，当然了。
Dude, yeah.
我对米粉挺拿手的。
I'm pretty good with rice noodles.
没错。
Mhmm.
我不太喜欢那种特别细的。
I don't love the super, super thin kind.
没错。
Mhmm.
但总的来说，只要是米粉这种形式，我就都还行。
But, like, generally, rice noodles dude, as long as it's, like, noodle form, I guess.
这其实特别搞笑。
That's actually hella funny.
因为我觉得它比传统的面粉面条要轻盈一些。
Because then I think it's a bit lighter than, like, traditional flour based noodles.
没错。
Right.
就像是个不错的中间值。
It's like a good midpoint.
相当于一碗饭和一碗面之间的平衡。
It's like the average of a bowl of rice and, like, a bowl of noodles.
是的。
Yeah.
所以我想到，既然我不太喜欢直接吃米饭，多吃点米线算是个健康的选择。
So I was like, maybe since I don't like incorporating rice directly into my, diet as much, Incorporating more rice noodles is a healthy medium
对。
Mhmm.
说得对。
Point.
我从来没想过这些面条到底是用什么做的。
I just never questioned what all of these noodles were made out of.
你一看，哎，面条不错。
You're like, nice noodles.
是的。
Yeah.
我就喜欢任何碳水化合物。
I just like any carb.
兄弟，碳水这种大类还真难戒掉。
Dude, carbs as a general category would be hard to give up.
我们以前在公司还为此争论过很久。
We had, like,
一个关于这个的长时间讨论。
a long debate about it at work.
问题是，你是宁愿放弃碳水，还是宁愿放弃肉类？
It's like, would you rather give up carbs or would you give up meat?
因为我们所有人都是非素食者。
Because all of us were non vegetarians.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得我当时说，还是放弃肉吧。
And I think I said give up meat.
那海鲜还算不算能吃？
Are you allowed to still eat, like, seafood?
我觉得吧
I feel like
海鲜应该是可以吃的。
you should be allowed to eat seafood.
明白了。
Okay.
那我会选择放弃吃肉。
Then I would give up meat.
毫无疑问。
No question.
当然了，老兄。
Hell yeah, dude.
我超爱碳水化合物。
Love carbs.
我觉得我只是太爱吃糖了。
I think I just like sugar too much.
是啊，我也一样有糖瘾。
Yeah, I got that sugar addiction as well.
说到吃的，你用餐具有偏好吗？
But speaking of food, do you have a utensil preference?
有时候我一停下来，觉得自己特别有亚洲味儿，那就是不管吃啥，第一反应就是拿筷子。
Because sometimes when I really just pause and feel really Asian is when I reach for chopsticks no matter what meal it is.
我就想，天哪。
And I'm like, Oh, shit.
对，我确实有点亚洲人的做派。
Yeah, like, I'm kinda Asian.
哎呀，真的。
Oh, dude.
我懂你这感觉。
I kinda feel that.
沙拉？
Salad?
我觉得用筷子吃沙拉，比用叉子顺心得多。
I feel like eating it with chopsticks makes so much more sense versus eating it with a fork.
等等，我完全同意。
Wait, I completely agree.
那种精准和掌控感。
The level of precision and control.
对吧？
Right?
我在想，有没有哪种饭用筷子反而不顺手？
I'm like, is there any meal where chopsticks would be the less useful utensil?
我只能想到一种。
I can only think of one.
如果是吃意大利通心粉之类的东西，我可能会觉得叉子更合适。
If I was having rigatoni pasta or something.
我觉得用叉子会更方便。
I'm like, I feel like a fork would be more useful.
嗯，有道理。
Okay.
可能是那种滑溜溜的面，但说到底，面就是面条。
Maybe like slippery pasta, but low key pasta is just noodles.
所以用筷子吃，其实挺合理的，如果我
So like using chopsticks, pretty reasonable if I
说实话，确实没错。
say Honestly, very true.
真的没错。
Very true.
不过有一件事我一直挺困惑的，就是我去中餐馆的时候，他们常常不给勺子。
Although there is one thing that always throws me off is I feel like when I go to a Chinese restaurant Mhmm.
他们不总是提供勺子。
They don't always give you a spoon.
是的。
Mhmm.
用筷子吃米饭，这事儿真让我觉得不可思议。
The, like, concept of eating rice with chopsticks is, like, dumbfounding to me.
天哪。
Dude.
其实，我发现很多其他亚洲人吃饭时都是用勺子吃米饭，这让我挺惊讶的。
I think, actually, that was very surprising to me to find out that a lot of other Asians use spoons to eat rice.
我当时就想，等等。
I was, like, wait.
什么鬼？
What the fuck?
我一直以为筷子就得用来吃所有东西。
I'd like only know chopsticks for everything.
我觉得自己现在用筷子吃米饭比小时候强多了，但还是觉得特别难。
I think I've definitely come to like be able to use chopsticks for rice far better than when I was younger, but it's still so hard.
而且中餐筷子和韩餐筷子还不一样。
And especially Chinese chopsticks and Korean chopsticks are different.
对吧？
Right?
韩餐筷子一般是金属的，扁扁的，中餐筷子则更圆一些，也稍微粗一点。
Like, I would say Korean chopsticks are usually metal and, like, flat, and then Chinese chopsticks tend to be rounder and, like, slightly thicker.
是的。
Yeah.
用这么粗的筷子夹米饭，我还是觉得特别难。
So using, like, thick chopsticks to pick up rice is so challenging for me still.
天哪，
Dude,
这挺有意思的，很多不习惯韩式筷子的人反而觉得特别难，简直要崩溃。
that's funny because I feel like the opposite is true for a lot of people who aren't used to Korean chopsticks where they're like, oh my god.
筷子又扁又滑，根本抓不住。
It's, like, so flat and, like, slippery
对啊。
Right.
因为是金属的。
Because of metal.
我们当时就愣住了。
We're like, wait.
这玩意儿怎么用啊？
How do we use these?
所以我家裡，我丈夫詹姆斯是中國人。
So then in our house, James, my husband, is Chinese.
我們家既有韓國筷子，也有中國筷子。
So we have Korean chopsticks, and we also have Chinese chopsticks.
是的。
Mhmm.
每次擺桌子，我會擺兩副筷子：金屬的韓國筷給我，木頭的中國筷給他，我這邊總有勺子，他那邊從來沒有。
Whenever we set the table, we would both lay out Korean metal ones for me and then, like, the Chinese wooded And ones for then no spoon for him, but always a spoon for me.
天哪。
Oh my god.
這也太搞笑了。
That's so funny.
對。
Yeah.
我覺得勺子一般只在分飯的時候才用。
I feel like the spoon only really comes out for serving rice.
对。
Right.
或者喝汤的时候。
Or, like, soup.
我们会把那种小亚洲汤匙拿出来。
We, like, pull out the little Asian spoons.
是的。
Yeah.
就是那种小碗状的。
The, like, little well ones.
没错。
Yes.
但就算这样，我也早就习惯了用筷子喝汤。
But even then, I'm, like, so used to just sticking with chopsticks even for soup.
好吧。
Okay.
我觉得吧，我记不清是在哪听来的了，但好像有些文化里，把碗端起来吃有点不礼貌，不过在大多数中国文化的习惯里，这根本不算失礼。
I think it's, like, I'm forgetting where I heard this, but I feel like there's some distinction because some cultures, it's a little rude to, like, lift your bowl But to your then I think in most Chinese cultures, it's not rude to do that.
这其实非常普遍。
It's actually very normal.
所以我们吃饭和喝汤的时候用筷子，因为最后都会把碗端起来。
So that's why we eat, like, rice and soup with chopsticks because we eventually just lift the bowl.
吃米饭的时候，我们干脆直接用筷子往嘴里扒，喝汤的时候就把碗端起来喝。
And for rice, we're, like, shoveling the rice into our mouth or we're just, like, lifting the bowl to drink soup.
对。
Right.
但我依稀记得以前学过，端碗在某些情况下可能不太礼貌。
But I vaguely remember learning that lifting a bowl is it can sometimes be rude.
也许这就是关键区别。
Maybe that's, like, a difference maker.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得韩国人通常不会端起碗，除非是……等等。
I think Korean people usually wouldn't lift it unless it was, like wait.
我觉得有时候大家也会为了喝汤而端起碗。
I think maybe sometimes people do do it for soup too.
不过我的一般理解是，韩国人吃饭时倾向于不端碗，所以这大概也是原因之一。
But my general understanding is that, like, Korean people will lean on the side of, like, not lifting their bowls while eating, So that is probably why as well.
不过话说回来，勺子真的太好用了。
But, damn, spoons are just so useful.
我觉得在餐具的等级里，筷子绝对是顶流，然后是勺子，再往后可能就是那种叉勺了。
I feel like in the hierarchy of utensils, it's like chopsticks are goated, and then it's spoons, and then maybe like a spork.
话说回来，叉勺是不是排在勺子前面？
Actually, does spork go before spoon?
兄弟。
Dude.
好吧。
Okay.
不对。
No.
我觉得勺子还是比叉勺更靠前。
I think spoon still goes before spork.
明白了。
Okay.
好的。
Okay.
不过我觉得叉勺应该比叉子更实用。
But I do think spork is probably higher than fork.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
我同意。
I agree.
我觉得叉子算是比较靠下的等级，对。
I think fork is, like, pretty low tiered for Yeah.
它是F级的餐具。
It's, f tier utensils.
对。
Yeah.
不过你提到炒饭之类的菜可能会配一个公勺，这让我想起来。
But you saying that the, bowl of fried rice or something might come with, a communal spoon reminds me.
真是服了。
Damn.
以前我去参加那种大型的家庭聚会，比如和詹姆斯还有他那些中国朋友一起吃饭的时候，我总有一种特别强烈的冲动，想抓起那个盛炒饭的勺子来用，因为我用筷子吃米饭实在有点费劲。
I used to when going to like big family friend dinners or something with like James and his family friends, all of whom are Chinese, I would get this insane urge to grab the fried rice spoon and use it because I was having so much trouble using chopsticks to eat rice.
我当时心里就在想，你们到底是怎么做到
You're like, how the fuck
用筷子吃得这么顺手的？
are you guys doing this?
你是一粒一粒地吃吗？
Are you just eating one grain at a time?
不是啊。
No.
真的。
Literally.
我心想，你们怎么吃得这么轻松，我这边却搞得这么吃力。
I'm like, guys, you're making it look so easy, but I'm struggling over here.
明白了。
Okay.
而且有趣的是，并不是每个中国人筷子都用得好。
Also, the funny part is not every Chinese person is good at using chopsticks.
不管你来自哪里，从小怎么长大的，这都是难免的。
No matter where you're from, where you grew up from, it's inevitable.
对吧？
Right?
这技能其实挺难掌握的。
Like, it's a pretty hard skill to learn and pick up.
有时候人们想夹点蔬菜，正吃着大餐，结果一不小心就掉地上了，还得赶紧说声抱歉。
So sometimes people are, like, they're trying to pick up the vegetables or something, and it's, like, a big dinner and they're just like, oh, sorry.
我的筷子技术差得不行。
My chopsticks skills are hella bad.
筷子老是乱飞，到处乱窜。
They're just just like flying everywhere, like, around.
但大家都说，哦，是啊。
But everyone's like, oh, yeah.
这太正常了。
That's totally normal.
别着急，慢慢来。
Take your time.
还有一些食物特别难夹，比如滑溜溜的，或者圆滚滚的那些。
And there's like certain foods that are so challenging too, like the slimy ones or especially the round bulbous ones.
那种东西根本夹不起来。
It's, like, impossible to pick up.
吃蘑菇的话，最好还是配个汤勺，哥们。
Mushrooms, there better be a serving spoon, bro.
对。
Yeah.
或者那种特别嫩的豆腐。
Or, like, super soft tofu.
你试着去夹它
You try to pick it
结果
up and
它直接就散架了。
it just starts to fall to pieces.
我觉得看到那些完全成熟的亚洲成年人，真是挺逗的。明白。
I think it's always funny when you see like fully fledged Asian adults Mhmm.
他们就直接用筷子戳食物，好把东西弄到盘子里，心里想：是啊。
And they just start stabbing the food to get it onto their plate because they're like, yeah.
我绝对不可能用手去拿这个。
There's no way I'm picking this up.
天哪。
Oh my god.
你还能听见它‘啪’一下掉到盘子底上。
And you hear it, like, hit the bottom of the plate.
然后你就想：哦，他们跟我们其实一模一样。
And you're like, oh, they're just like us.
对。
Yeah.
说实话，我们这一代人用筷子姿势不好，其实是因为父母当初姿势就不对，他们是从父母那儿学来的。
I mean, honestly, sometimes people in our generation have poor chopstick form, and that's actually just because their parents originally had poor chopstick form, and they learned from their parents.
没错。
That's true.
我觉得我用筷子还是不太规范。
I think I still use my chopsticks poorly.
比如我有时候会在后面交叉筷子，不过这种错误还好，算是比较能被原谅的。
Like, I cross them at the back, luckily that chopstick sin is like a little bit more forgivable I think.
我们有个朋友，他简直像攥拳头一样握筷子。
Versus I think one of our friends, he holds it like in his fist basically.
天哪。
My god.
下次得注意点了。
Need to pay attention next time.
这话说得真对。
But that's so true.
用筷子的毛病确实分轻重等级。
There's definitely, like, a hierarchy of chopsticks sins.
是的。
Yeah.
我确实也经常把筷子在后面交叉。
I definitely also, I think, like, cross my the backs often.
这还挺奇怪的，因为我觉得大多数人用筷子都有点自己的调整方式。
It's also weird because I feel like most people have some sort of adjusted grip.
其实大家都知道筷子正确的握法，但也就是理论上如此。
Most people also know technically the correct way, quote, unquote, of holding chopsticks.
不过大概两分钟之后，所有人都会回到自己用着舒服的方式。
But then after maybe, like, two minutes, everyone just reverts back to their comfortable way.
是的。
Yeah.
这算是两害相权取其轻吧。
It's like the lesser of two evils.
你是想我在转盘前出洋相，表演得特别糟糕，还是想让我把筷子交叉？
Like, do you want me to make a fool of myself at the lazy Susan and give a terrible performance, or do you want me to cross my chopsticks?
没错。
Exactly.
不过回到我最喜欢的餐具——勺子，没错。
But going back to my favorite utensil, the spoon Mhmm.
我觉得TikTok上关于完美勺子的讨论特别多。
I feel like I've seen a lot of discourse on TikTok about the perfect spoon.
很多人对勺子的大小、弧度深浅、长度都有很多看法，确实。
Or people just have a lot of opinions about how big a spoon should be, how deep the curve should be, like how long it should be Yeah.
诸如此类。
Etcetera.
我自己的看法也不少。
And I also have my own opinions.
就像我们家里有中式筷子和韩式筷子一样，我也有‘白人勺子’和‘亚洲勺子’。
Similar to how we have, like, the Chinese chopsticks and Korean chopsticks, quote unquote, at home, I also have white people spoons and, like, Asian spoons as well.
我完全懂你的意思。
Dude, I totally get what you mean, though.
你肯定能想象出我说的是哪种。
You can already envision what I'm talking about.
对吧？
Right?
西方风格的勺子手柄比较粗。
The white people spoons have a thicker grip.
我觉得勺头更长一些。
I think the spoon head is longer.
没错。
Mhmm.
而且整体上也稍微重一点。
And then the spoon generally is a little bit heavier.
这些勺子我专门用来吃酸奶或者燕麦粥。
And those spoons I reserve for eating yogurt or like oatmeal.
是的。
Yeah.
我的韩式勺子或者亚洲风格的勺子，勺柄特别细。
My Korean spoons or the Asian spoons have like a really thin base.
它更轻一些，但材质还是金属或者不锈钢之类的，只是勺头比较浅吧。
It's like lighter, also still like metal or steel or whatever it is, but just a shallower spoon head, I guess.
对。
Yeah.
那些勺子我专门用来吃亚洲菜。
And then those are reserved for, like, our Asian foods.
说实话啊，
Dude, honestly,
我也特别喜欢亚洲风格的勺子。
I am also a fan of Asian spoons.
我觉得它们在外观上更漂亮，尤其是那种韩国款、勺柄长长的。
I feel like aesthetically, they're just, like, nicer looking, especially the Korean style ones with the long base.
所以我家里既有普通的西式勺子，也有韩国风格的勺子。
So I also have some, like, regular white people spoons and then some, like, Korean styled spoons.
实际上，我们搬在一起住后，我男朋友带过来一把中式勺子。
Actually, after moving in together, my boyfriend brought one, like, Chinese spoon.
哦。
Oh.
中国勺子是什么样的？
What's a Chinese spoon?
就是我们刚才说的那种汤勺吗？
Like, the soup ones that we were talking about earlier?
对。
Yeah.
那种瓷制的、像小船形状的勺子。
It's, like, the porcelain boat shaped, I guess.
对，没错。
Right.
这样形容合适吗？
Is that a good way to describe it?
短柄的，没错。
With the short stem and yes.
天哪。
Oh my god.
这些最棒了，因为可以直接搭在碗边上。
Those are the best because you can, like, hook it onto your bowl.
哦，对。
Oh, yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
特别实用。
High utility.
我觉得它们用来吃小笼包也特别合适。
I feel like they're also really good for soup dumplings of course.
是啊。
Oh yes.
不过说起来，这其实也跟和别人一起住有关。
Funny thing though is like this also goes back to living with someone.
我觉得詹姆斯对我的勺子规矩，远没有我这么自然和熟悉。
I feel like James doesn't know my spoon rule as intuitively and as intimately as I do.
有时候他摆桌子，遇到亚洲菜，就会配上筷子，再放一把白勺子。
Sometimes if he's the one setting the table, it'll be like an Asian meal and then chopsticks and then the white spoon.
我一看，天哪，这勺子用错了。
I'm like, Oh my God, that's the wrong spoon.
这简直像吓人一跳。
That's like a jump scare.
对啊。
Yeah.
我真是服了。
I'm like, oh my god.
这勺子？
This spoon?
对。
Yeah.
就是，什么
Like, what
这东西怎么在这儿？
is this doing here?
我没看到燕麦片。
I don't see any oatmeal.
你看到了吗？
Do you?
但这事儿太小了，简直有点较真。
But it's like such a small, like a petty thing.
所以我从来没提过。
So I've never brought it up.
但每次发生，我都会吓一跳。
But when it happens, I do get jump scare.
我心想，天哪。
I'm like, oh my gosh.
是的。
Yeah.
我一个人住的时候，只有四把叉子、四把勺子，但有二十多双筷子。
When I was living alone, I had basically had four forks and four spoons and then, like, 20 chopsticks.
天哪。
Oh my god.
因为勺子太少，我就全买了长柄的，觉得那样看起来更顺眼。
Since I only had so many spoons, they were all the long stem kind because I was like, oh, this is just, like, more aesthetically pleasing.
对。
Mhmm.
现在所有勺子都配成一套了。
And they all match now.
搬来一起住后，我的抽屉里突然多了好多乱七八糟的勺子，简直乱得不行。
And then after moving in together, there's, like, a bunch of random ass spoons in my spoon drawer, and I'm like, this is, like, really messy.
现在勺子种类太多，看着真不舒服。
Kind of an eyesore that we have a bunch of different variations of spoons now.
也许你可以试着不小心弄丢一两根，或者放错地方。
Maybe you can start accidentally losing them or misplacing one
对。
here.
是的。
Yeah.
我当时就想，这些勺子到底多老了？是哪儿来的？
I was like, how old are these spoons and where are they from?
我们真需要它们吗？
Do we need them?
还是说我们可以换掉它们？
Or can we replace them?
老兄，这真的太有共鸣了。
Dude, it's so relatable, though.
面对这么多不同类型的餐具，做决定简直让人精疲力尽，我真的受不了。
The decision fatigue of having too many, like, different utensil types, I just can't handle it.
我只需要八把这一套的，再加八把另一套的，就这些了。
I need, like, eight of one set, eight of a different one, and that's it.
没错。
Exactly.
我以前的勺子其实就两种，一种是吃饭用的金属勺。
I think the only variations of spoons I had were, like, the metal spoons for eating.
还有一种是小一点、中等大小的木勺，偶尔用来做饭。
And then I also had, like, small medium spoons that were wooden that I would sometimes use for, like, cooking.
哦。
Oh.
不过其实用它们吃饭也行。
But you could also use them for eating.
但它们尺寸偏大，更适合做饭用。
But they were, like, just large enough that it was more fit for cooking.
我特别喜欢那种稍微大一点的木制厨具。
I love the, like, slightly oversized wooden, like, cooking utensils.
我妈给我买了那种特别长的木筷子。
My mom bought me these, like, extremely long wooden chopsticks.
天哪。
Oh my god.
我现在用它来炸东西。
And I use it for, like, frying
。
stuff now.
对。
Yes.
所以油
So the oil
不会溅到手上，我就觉得这太棒了。
doesn't splatter on your hands, and I'm like, this is amazing.
哥们儿。
Dude.
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