保持动力

确实如此。

So true.

我正回想一下，记得好像是二月左右，那会儿工作特别忙，累得不行，直接 burn out 了。

I'm trying to think back because recently in I think it was, like, February or something, I was really busy at work, and I was pretty tired and burnt out after.

我就在想，我到底是怎么缓过来的？

And I'm like, what did I do to, like, get back on my feet?

说实话，我都记不清了。

I don't even know.

但我肯定好好休息了。

I definitely rested.

对。

Mhmm.

那阵子我老想着去度假。

And I did think about vacation a lot.

但最后也没真计划成。

I didn't end up planning one.

说真的，现在仔细一想，我那时候故意找点别的事分散注意力。

Actually, now that I'm really thinking about it, I occupied my mind with other things.

我还真给自己定了个跟健康有关的小目标。

And I did actually set a certain task for myself that was, like, health related.

对。

Mhmm.

不知怎么的，去年12月31号晚上我睡得还挺踏实。

So for some reason, I went to sleep on December 31 feeling fine.

结果一觉醒来，1月1号，腰就疼得不行。

And when I woke up on January 1, I had lower back pain.

天哪。

Oh god.

这疼一持续就是两三个月。

That just stayed for, like, two or three months.

我当时还纳闷：这该不会是三十岁给我的‘入门礼’吧？

And I was like, is this just my welcome to, like, thirties?

但等我熬过那段高强度工作后的空档期，慢慢清醒过来，就下定决心要把背痛给治好了。

But once I was in that lull period after the really intense working period, I slowly came to my senses, and I made it a goal to, like, fix my back, basically.

说实话，这目标可不小。

Honestly, that's a big goal.

而且我觉得这目标的截止时间还挺模糊的，你知道吧？

And I feel like it's also a goal with a questionable deadline, you know?

就是越快越好，但其实这事我也控制不了。

It's like as soon as possible, but also that's like out of my own control.

是啊。

Yeah.

我当时就惊了，天哪。

I was kinda like, oh my god.

一旦超过三个月，那就算慢性疼痛了。

Once it hits three months, then it counts as chronic.

天哪。

Oh god.

但我觉得这事相对容易点，因为我一开始就有个计划。

But I think that was maybe a little bit of an easier task because I had a plan going in.

我就想，好吧，赶紧约个理疗师或者整脊师，谁有空就找谁。

I was like, okay, I'm gonna either need to make an appointment with, like, a physical therapist or a chiro, whoever is available the fastest.

他们告诉我该怎么做就行。

They'll tell me what I need to do.

其实就是一堆小任务，做完就能达成那个大目标。

And it was just like a bunch of small tasks that had to be done to reach that bigger goal.

而且我发现这些事儿都挺靠谱的，完全做得到。

And they were all tasks that I was realizing is very doable and very reachable.

等我把这些事儿都干完了，背居然真就好了。

So once I did those tasks, it, like, actually healed my back.

简直不可思议。

It was crazy.

老兄，太好了，你的背终于恢复正常了。

Dude, I'm so happy your back is back to normal.

最近我们参加了一个团体普拉提课，你当时就随口说了一句，哦，对了。

There was like a group pilates class we did recently and you were just casually like, oh, yeah.

这下可把我坐骨神经痛给惹出来了。

This like really triggered my sciatica.

我当时就问你：你没事吧？

I was like, are you okay?

我就想，我这怕不是坐骨神经痛。

I was like, I think I have sciatica.

而且现在想想，这事儿其实跟你那个读书目标有点像。

Also, now that I'm thinking about it, in a way, it's kind of similar to your reading goal.

每一个小任务，就像读完一本书那样。

Each smaller task is like finishing a book, kind of.

没错。

True.

然后每完成一个，都能带来帮助，慢慢积累起来。

And then that in itself helps and adds up.

现在背不疼了，整个人状态也好多了。

Like, now that my back feels better, I also feel better.

我准备好定新的目标了。

I'm ready to make more goals.

我觉得这种小事一桩的做法特别重要，就像你跌倒了爬起来，一步一步往前挪，实实在在地往前走。

I feel like the small task thing too is very important because it's the real life version of putting one foot forward as you, like, pick yourself back up, take small steps forward.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Mhmm.

别老盯着远处的目标。

Don't focus on the horizon.

就低着头，一步一个脚印地走就行。

Just, like, look down and take one step at a time.

有时候你精神压力特别大的时候，真的只能做到一件事一件事来。

And I feel like sometimes when you're really mentally overloaded, that's literally all you could do, one thing at a time.

没错。

Agreed.

我其实也在想，健康是不是一个特别大的动力来源。

I wonder too, actually, if health is just a big motivating factor

对。

Mhmm.

尤其是我们年纪越大，越能体会到。

Especially as we get older.

因为你之前提到过，你想提升自己的VO2数值，这可是个跟健康直接相关的目标。

Because, you know, earlier you mentioned how you want to raise your VO2 stats and that's a health related goal.

对你来说特别有驱动力。

And it's like very motivating for you.

是的。

Yeah.

再加个时间限制，就能更有推动力了。

With the addition of a little timeline too, to give that extra push.

然后我就在想，比如我背伤的恢复，这也跟健康有关。

And then I'm talking about like, you know, healing my back and that's also health related.

那时候特别有动力，因为一想到马上就能摆脱疼痛，简直等不及了。

And it was pretty motivating because I'm like, oh my god, can't wait to be pain free.

我觉得健康类的目标本身就有好多层好处。

And I also feel like health related goals just have a lot of different benefits.

你盯着一个指标努力，但实现之后收获的回报却是多方面的。

Like, you focus on one metric, but the rewards that come from achieving that one goal is very multilayered.

比如你会感觉身体更舒服了。

Like, you might feel better.

也可能为长远的健康打下更好基础。

You might be setting yourself up for better health long term.

说不定外形也会变好。

You might look better.

连日常生活都会觉得轻松不少。

Things might feel easier.

这带来的好处太多了，其他目标可能就只有一两个直接的回报。

There's so many different things that come from it versus other goals might feel like you only get one or two direct rewards.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，保持长期动力的关键，可能就在于让身体和心态都保持良好状态。

So maybe that's the secret to long term momentum, making sure that your body and mind are in good health.

没错。

Right.

我们已经聊了很多关于建立动力的好处，

So we've talked a lot about the benefits of building momentum,

但

but

我觉得维持动力的难点，在于别让各种事情把它打断。

I feel like the challenge of maintaining momentum is to not let things break it.

对我而言，我发现往往不是那些大事会打断动力，反而是些小事。

And for me, I found that sometimes it's not even the big moments that break momentum, but it could be the small moments.

你平时有没有遇到那种小事，比如明明不想做，但偏偏又得做，结果反而成了积累动力的关键时刻？

So do you ever encounter like maybe small steps in your day to day where you're like, oh god, I really don't wanna do this or vice versa, like small moments that can build momentum?

我先来举个例子吧。

And I'll start this off by giving an example.

对。

Mhmm.

有时候我为了健康目标，得逼自己出门跑步，或者去健身房。

Sometimes I feel like with my health goals, have to like get myself to go out and run or get myself to go to the gym.

有时候最难的，就是那七分钟开车的路程，你懂的吧？

And sometimes it's literally that seven minute drive that's the most challenging, you know?

我太懂了，完全能感同身受。

I definitely know and can definitely relate.

有时候就是得从你现在坐着的地方站起来，这一步就特别难。

Sometimes it's like the fact that you have to get up from where you are right now.

没错。

Yes.

你就想着：我是想做，但就是想多坐一会儿，再休息几分钟行不行？

And you're like, I do wanna do this, but I just wanna sit for longer or can I just, you know, rest for a few more minutes?

对啊。

Right.

就跟赖床一样。

It's like ignoring your alarm.

闹钟一按 snooze，搞不好就又睡过去了。

If you snooze that alarm, you might fall back asleep.

真坑。

Damn.

没错。

It's true.

我觉得这还挺危险的，现在这个时代，能在家里搞定的事情太多了。

And I think it's also dangerous because in this day and age, there's a lot more things you can do from the comfort of your home.

比如点个外卖，直接送上门。

For example, you can order food and have it delivered.

而且现在网上买东西，过几天就送上门了。

And, you know, you can order stuff online and it gets delivered in a few days.

回想我们小时候，虽然也能叫外卖，但还得自己去取。

Even if we think about it, just when we were kids, you could order food and call, but you'd have to go pick it up yourself still.

对。

Right.

所以我觉得，如今的便利反而更容易打断我们的干劲，因为这些习惯太根深蒂固了。

So I think the conveniences of today make it even easier to have those moments of momentum breaking because of the habits that they cause.

是的。

Yeah.

确实如此。

That's very true.

我们简直对便利上瘾了，但要想保持动力、实现目标，往往就得吃点苦、不方便点。

It's like we're addicted to convenience, but sometimes maintaining momentum or, like, doing things to achieve your goals are very inconvenient.

没错。

Yeah.

有时候事情简单到这样：今天得去超市买菜，下班开车回家时，一想，哎，太累了。

And sometimes it's something as simple as like, oh, I need a grocery shop today, and then I'll like drive home from work and then I'm like, oh, I'm tired.

要不明天再买吧。

Maybe I'll do it tomorrow.

确实如此。

So true.

而且这种拖延说不定还会以另一种方式打断你的节奏——我不确定你是不是这样，但我每次买完菜回家，都会觉得，哎，真不错。

And then that maybe almost even breaks the momentum in a new way too because I don't know about you, but sometimes when I come back from a grocery trip, I'm like, oh, nice.

瞧，冰箱里堆满了吃的。

Like, I have all this food.

这周吃饭都有盼头了。

I'm like kind of excited to eat it throughout the week now.

对啊。

Mhmm.

但要是我拖着不去买，回家一看，冰箱里空空如也，啥也没剩。

But, you know, if I procrastinated on that trip, then I'll come back and I'll be like, okay, I have like not much in the fridge right now.

我就随便弄点吃的就行。

I just need to throw something together.

而且这么一拖，可能一整天的心情都被影响了。

And maybe it, like, dampens the rest of the day a little bit too even.

我有个坏习惯，就是像你说的，老点外卖。

I think one of my bad habits is definitely ordering food in, like you mentioned.

对。

Mhmm.

要是家里没食材，我肯定点外卖，而且能连着好几天都这样。

And if I don't have groceries, I'll definitely order food in, and it might be a multi day thing.

所以我得提醒自己去采购食材。

So I have to make sure I go grocery shopping.

是的。

Yeah.

这点真挺关键的。

That's a really good one.

还有件事特别容易打乱我的节奏或心态，就是懒得做个人杂务。

Also, one that kind of breaks my momentum and or state of mind overall is not keeping up with my personal chores.

对。

Mhmm.

比如吧，要是客厅乱糟糟的，感觉就像我整个人的生活状态一样乱。

So for example, like, you know, if my living room's kind of messy, it kind of reflects how the state of my life is too.

要是我发现老拖着不洗衣服、不洗碗，那多半说明我状态不对了，有点儿倦了，得赶紧调整。

So if I'm finding myself pushing off, you know, doing laundry or doing the dishes, then that probably means that I'm hitting a lull or I'm like being a little burnt out and I need to take action to get out of it.

有时候，摆脱这种状态的唯一办法，就是该干嘛就干嘛。

And sometimes the only way to get out of it is just to do what you need to do.

没错。

True.

哦，明白了。

It's like, oh, okay.

今天终于把衣服洗了，感觉好多了。

I finally did laundry today and I'm feeling good about it.

是的

Yeah.

这招真管用。

That's a good one.

我觉得家务活儿一不留神就堆成山了。

I think household chores just build up so quickly.

我有个坏习惯，总是一次性把所有衣服都洗了，四五波吧，毛巾、运动服啥的。

My toxic trait is I'll run all the laundry, usually a couple, like, four or five loads.

对吧？

Right?

毛巾啊、运动服啊，乱七八糟的都一股脑儿扔进去。

Like towels, like athletic wear, etcetera, etcetera.

洗完就堆那儿不管了，等都皱得不成样子了才想起来。

And then I'll just, like, let it sit till it gets wrinkly.

天哪，真是服了。

And I'm like, oh god.

都搁那儿两天了。

Like, it's been sitting there for two days.

得叠了，可这事儿吧……

Like, I need to fold it, but Yeah.

我真不想干。

I don't wanna do it.

所以一旦发现这种事儿越积越多，我就非得给自己找点甜头，才肯动手干。

So when things like that happen and I find it building up, I feel like I have to do something rewarding for myself to even get myself to do the task.

对啊。

Mhmm.

比如叠衣服的时候，我就找个特别好看的YouTube视频，开电视一边看一边叠。

So if it's like folding laundry, I'll find a really good YouTube video and put it up on the TV as I fold.

要是家里脏了，我就放点音乐，逼自己起来，边唱边跳地把活儿干了。

Or if it's like the house is dirty, I'll play some music on the TV, will myself to get up so that I'm, like, singing and dancing through the chores.

但就连这么干，也得给自己打鸡血，做一堆心理建设。

But even, like, doing that requires a lot of self motivating, like, pep talks.

你懂的吧？

You know?

就是，你能做到的。

Like, you can do it.

当然了。

Definitely.

但我觉得，只要我硬着头皮把事儿干了，就像你说的，立马就能感觉到能量上来了。

But I think once I do get myself through it by doing the task, like you said, I immediately see energy kind of spike up.

比如昨天，我逼自己把堆了好几天的衣服全折了。

So for example, yesterday, I forced myself to fold all the laundry after, like, a couple days of procrastinating.

对啊。

Yeah.

等我把衣服都收好，突然意识到：哎，都四月了。

And once I put all my clothes away, I was like, oh, it's April.

这会儿正好该搞春季大扫除了。

Like, it's a good time to do spring cleaning.

我应该在日历上留点时间，把衣服整理一下，捐掉一些不用的，或者把东西搬去车库里，让衣柜整洁又跟得上潮流。

I should probably block some time on my calendar to, like, go through and donate some clothes or, you know, shuffle things around into the shed and make sure that I have, like, a clean and kind of, like, up to date closet.

对。

Mhmm.

要不是我做完洗衣、把衣服都收好，我根本不会想到这些。

And I never would have thought that until I, like, finished doing the laundry and put all my clothes away.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

是的。

Yeah.

要想做更高阶的整理，我得先把手头这些日常小事搞定。

Even getting to kind of higher level organizational tasks requires me to maintain the lower level day to day tasks.

看到这种动力这么快就起来了，真让人兴奋，哪怕只是件小事。

So it was exciting to see the momentum build so immediately, even though it's just like a small thing.

这我完全理解。

That makes total sense.

保持这个基本盘，才能腾出脑子想更高级的事。

Just maintaining that baseline so that we can have higher thinking.

这样才能往上走。

So that we could ascend.

对。

Yeah.

明白。

Okay.

不过我还有个问题。

But I have another question, actually.

如果你处在一些事完全没法掌控的状态呢？

What if you're in a state where some things are just out of your control?

比如某些时间线，或者身边发生的一些事。

Certain timelines maybe or, whatever's, like, happening around you.

是啊。

Mhmm.

这本身就会成为你达成目标的阻碍。

That in itself is a bit of a block to your accomplishments.

我觉得一旦这样，就会特别停滞，因为我根本没法行动，什么都推不动。

I feel like when that happens, it also feels like a lull to me because I can't take action and make things happen.

对啊。

Right.

那你有没有遇到过这种情况？

So does that ever happen to you?

你是怎么应对的？

How do you handle that?

说实话，我根本不擅长处理那些我控制不了的事。

I mean, honestly, I'm not really good at handling things that are out of my control.

我骨子里就不是个能淡定的人。

Just don't have that chill bone in me.

但我的人生里确实有过那么几段，最要紧的三件事，就是逼着自己硬扛过去。

But I feel like there are definitely times in my life where the top three goals or tasks are things that I just have to, like, get through.

比如说，我知道公司有个特别忙的季度。

So say, I know there's, like, a certain really busy quarter at work.

对。

Mhmm.

我知道那个季度我会被占掉大量时间和精力。

I know that's gonna take up a huge chunk of my time and energy that quarter.

所以我就得像我们说的那样，降到最低线，只专注一件事。

Then I just have to sort of like we said, drop to baseline and focus on, like, one thing.

这个季度我的生活就只剩下工作和去健身房了。

My life is just gonna be work and going to the gym this quarter.

别的啥也干不了。

Can't do anything else.

还有些时候，我得帮别人或者大团体操办好几个大型活动。

Or there's been times in my life where I'm planning multiple really big events for other people and, like, other larger groups.

那时候我的生活简直被占得满满当当。

And at that time in my life, it felt very, like, all consuming.

下班后，我唯一能做、也该做的事就是这些。

It's the only thing that I could and should spend my free time on after work.

然后，这也就成了我的目标。

Then that, I guess, became my goal.

专心把这几件事做完，其他时候就尽量做个普通人，把生活维持在正常轨道上。

Doing those tasks and then everything else was kind of just be a normal person, maintain my normal life as best as possible.

也许答案就在于，得放下一些目标，减轻负担，才能让势头持续下去。

Maybe the answer to this is like the momentum is sustained only by giving up some of my goals and lightening my load.

所以，有些事你控制不了，那就暂时放手，集中精力在能掌控的事情上。

So it's almost like if certain things are out of your control, you let go of that for now the best you can to focus on other things.

对。

Yeah.

说白了，就是优先照顾自己的心理健康，别硬撑着去完成那些超出能力范围、或者四五件压得人喘不过气的大事。

I guess it's about prioritizing almost like my mental health by not breaking my back, trying to achieve, you know, achieve or handle whatever is out of my control slash four or five other, like, massive goals.

在那段时期，对自己有个现实的期待，清楚自己到底能扛多少。

Being realistic about my expectations and what I can handle during that time.

是的。

Yeah.

这说得通。

That makes sense.

好吧。

Okay.

我举个例子。

So I have an example.

对。

Mhmm.

比如说，你租约快到期了，想找个新住处，特别兴奋，因为你心里有一堆现在住的地方没有的理想条件。

Let's say, like, your lease is coming up and you want to find a new place to live and you're very excited because you have certain things that you want to look for that your current place doesn't have.

但问题是有个时间差——你三月就激动上了，可租约其实要到六月才结束。

But the thing is there's a timeline issue because let's say you're excited about this in March, but, like, you know, your lease doesn't end until June or something.

所以这事吧，你确实没法控制。

So that is, like, kind of out of your control.

对吧？

Right?

所以你一方面很期待，但每次看到合适的房子又会感到沮丧。

So you can either be excited about it, but then sad every time you find something good.

哎，等等。

And you're like, oh, wait.

但那样我就得提前退租，还得处理一堆麻烦事。

But then I would have to break my lease and, like, deal with all this other stuff.

哦。

Oh.

所以我想，我还是得耐心等这段时间过去。

So I guess I just have to, like, wait this timeline out.

你觉得这种状况会不会让你的干劲突然停下来？

Do do you feel like that kind of situation would put a lull in your momentum?

哎，这问题问得好。

Oh, that's a good question.

我就在等好事发生，但又有个时间限制，不能催着来。

Like, I'm waiting for something positive to happen, but there's, like, a timeline or something, so I can't, like, push the issue.

说实话，这种情况下，我可能会去忙点别的事。

I mean, I think in that case, like, there's probably other things that I would try to focus on.

等我搬进去之后，该怎么布置新家呢？

How do I decorate my new place once I get it?

搬家前是不是该把一些东西卖掉或者捐掉？

Are there things that I wanna sell and donate before I move out and whatnot?

所以我觉得，正确的做法是把精力转到其他小任务上，慢慢推进大目标。

So I think the correct answer here is to, like, pivot my energy into other smaller tasks that kind of contribute to the larger goal.

但说实话，我大概只会盯着这事没法改变，然后一直抱怨，直到它发生为止。

But in reality, I think I would just obsess over the fact that I can't change this and just complain about it until it happens.

其实这种事在筹备婚礼的时候也经常遇到。

I mean, I think this kind of stuff comes up too during wedding planning.

婚礼策划的时候，这种感觉特别奇怪。

It's very weird in wedding planning.

有些事得提前很久就搞定，比如订场地、发预通知之类的。

There's certain things that you have to do really early in advance, like booking your venue, maybe, like, sending out save the dates, etcetera.

还有一些事，得等到前三个月才能开始弄。

And then there's things that you can't even really do until you're, like, three months out.

比如跟花艺师沟通、预定某些服务，或者寄正式请柬。

So, like, talking to your florist, booking out like certain things or like sending out formal invitations.

整个流程真有一套固定的时间表要遵守。

There's like certain timelines that you have to follow.

对。

Mhmm.

中间呢，会有一个四个月的空档期，基本没啥可做的。

And then in the meantime, there's a four month chunk where there's really not much to do.

婚纱你早买了，该做的也做了，可那些关键的X、Y、Z步骤还不到时候。

You bought your dress already and you did this, but it's not yet time to do, you know, things x y and z.

那段时间我特别烦躁，明明有好多事能打发时间，却啥也没干。

During that time, I remember just feeling really frustrated while also not working on the things that could have carried me through the middle.

哦，是啊。

Oh, yeah.

我觉得，如果你只能干等着，那就像是被迫停顿了一下。

I feel like if you're just forced to wait, I guess it's like a forced pause.

对。

Right.

在婚礼筹备这个事儿上。

In this wedding scenario.

没错。

Yeah.

我估计我也会觉得，哎呀，为啥就不能先干点别的呢？

I think I would also be like, Ugh, why can't we just get some stuff done?

明白了。

Okay.

现在懂了。

I see now.

你说得对。

You're right.

正确的做法其实是找点别的事做，转移注意力，别老盯着那个暂停的事。

The correct answer would be to distract ourselves with other things at hand that are not related to the thing on pause.

但现实是，我们总会忍不住一直想着那件被搁置的事。

But the reality is to obsess over the thing on pause.

是啊。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

我觉得我和你一样，总会对某些事钻牛角尖，就觉得：为啥我们就不能掌控这个呢？

I think I'm similar to you where I do end up obsessing over some things because it's like, well, why don't we have control over this?

就是啊，为啥就不能干脆直接做了呢？

Like, why can't we just, like, do it?

你懂的。

You know?

没错。

Right.

我也有类似的感受。

I have very similar feelings too.

我在想，这种转移能量的能力，是不是也算一种本事？

I wonder if it's, like, almost a skill, you know, to, like, transfer this energy that we have.

因为我觉得，像沮丧这种情绪，其实本质上就是一股憋着没发出来的能量。

Because I think even feeling something like frustration is a sort of pent up energy symptom.

但要是能把这股能量转到别的目标上，或者换个方向释放出来，我觉得这事儿我得好好学学。

But to be able to transfer this energy and preserve it to a different goal or a different movement of momentum, I feel like is something that I just need to learn how to do.

但真不容易。

But it's challenging.

我觉得得有点想象力才行。

I think it requires a little bit of imagination or something.

对，得有点耐心，也得有点想象力。

Yeah, some patience, some imagination.

是的。

Yeah.

但我最后还有一个问题想问你。

But I have a final question for you.

我们刚才聊了很多关于保持或利用现有动力和能量的事。

We've been talking a lot about maintaining or working with the momentum or energy that we have.

但有时候，一些随机的时刻、任务或行动也会突然带来一点能量火花。

But sometimes there's sparks of energy that we get from random moments or random tasks or actions.

你有没有做过什么事，能让你意外地获得一点能量火花，然后这股劲儿有时能转化成你人生中重要的转折点？

Is there anything that you do that will give you a unexpected spark of energy that can sometimes be translated into big moments of momentum for you?

其实我有。

Actually, I do.

我觉得，只要我解决了一个小问题，有时候就会突然点燃一点火花。

I think if I solve a small problem, sometimes it, like, can bring forth a spark.

我举个有点搞笑的例子：我刚搬进新家的时候，心想，得买台电视。

So I have a maybe funny example, which is when I was first moving into my place, I was like, okay, I need a TV.

然后就觉得特别有意思，心想：哎，我到底要买什么样的电视呢？

And then it was like kind of exciting because it's like, okay, what what kind of TV am I gonna buy?

对啊。

Right.

于是我找到了电视，还把它 setup 好了。

So I find my TV, and then I set it up.

结果我一瞧，天哪。

And then I'm like, oh my god.

等等。

Wait.

我想把它挂墙上。

I wanna mount it on the wall.

于是就买了个挂架，真给挂上去了。

So then, you know, get a wall mount and mount it up.

这些其实都是些小事，但一件接着一件，总能激发出下一个点子。

And these are all, like, these little tasks that are happening, and they're, like, kind of sparking the next idea.

电视装好之后，我简直惊了。

So, you know, once the TV is mounted, I'm like, oh my god.

这看起来太棒了。

This looks so good.

现在得把所有外设都配齐，Wi-Fi也得 setup 好，一堆事儿。

Now I need to set up, like, all the peripherals, and I need to, like, set up my Wi Fi and all of that stuff.

每完成一件事，新的点子就又冒出来了。

Just as these things get accomplished, just more ideas spark up.

我想把路由器藏到电视柜里。

I'm like, oh, well, I wanna hide my Wi Fi in my TV stand unit thing.

但柜子是封闭的，得装个风扇通风。

But since that's closed, I need to, like, put a fan in there.

得好好想想里面的空气怎么流通。

I need to figure out airflow in there.

结果一开始只是想挂个电视、连个Wi-Fi，现在居然搞成这么大一摊事。

So it, like, becomes all it's suddenly the first thing that it started out with is, like, putting a TV in or, like, you know, getting the Wi Fi up.

没错。

Right.

结果就变成了一整套布置，还搞成了个大工程。

And then it has become this whole, like, setup and, like, project.

我觉得这确实挺常见的，尤其是搞那些优化类的事情的时候。

So I think it it definitely happens, especially with just maybe things related to, like, optimizing.

你本身也挺喜欢摆弄这些科技设备的。

I feel like you also kinda like your tech setup stuff too.

所以这中间肯定有某种契合。

So there's probably some synergy from that.

对。

But Mhmm.

你讲这些目标的先后顺序特别有意思，听着就像打游戏一样。

It's so funny the way you talk about, I guess, like, the sequential order of these goals because it's very video game like to me.

比如你先把电视装上了。

Like, the way it happens, it's like, oh, you have mounted your TV.

接下来两个任务就是，嗯，把Wi-Fi安排好。

Next two quests are, like, you know, tuck in Wi Fi.

我当时就惊了，天哪。

Like, well, I'm like, oh my god.

我以前还真没这么想过目标这回事。

Like, I've never thought about goals in that way before.

天哪。

Oh my god.

是啊。

Yeah.

这事儿其实也算不上多难。

It is kind of an okay task.

你得先做完一个，才知道下一个该干啥。

It's like you don't know what the next task is until you've, like, done it.

对。

Yeah.

然后你就解锁了这个任务。

Then you unlock the quest.

对。

Yeah.

我就想，行吧。

I'm like, okay.

我的书桌现在弄好了。

My desk is set up now.

哦，也许我该给书桌装个轮子。

Oh, maybe I should get wheels for my desk.

你这就像在收集自己的小成就。

You're like collecting your little achievements.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得，只要做点让你兴奋的小事，往往就能激发更多事情。

So I think definitely doing a small task that excites you will oftentimes spark more tasks.

等你做到最后，就会觉得：哇，这下真不错了。

Once you reach the end, you're like, oh, this is great now.

感觉我真完成了一件大事。

Like, I achieved a whole thing.

我喜欢这种感觉。

I like that.

我觉得，这种看待问题的方式特别积极。

To me, it feels like a very positive way of looking at things that come up actually.

要是我跟你处在同样的情况，我大概会想：哦，行吧。

Because I feel like if I were you in that situation, I'd be like, oh, okay.

我们终于把电视挂上去了。

Like, we finally put our TV up.

哎，这下又得搞那个Wi-Fi设置了。

Oh, now we have to do this, like, Wi Fi thing.

我可能会下意识觉得挺烦的，你知道吧？

Like, I would almost think about it negatively, you know?

哦，我懂了。

Oh, I see.

我可能会只盯着最终目标——把客厅布置好。

And I would tunnel vision on the end goal of, getting our living room set up.

如果事先没考虑到这些突发任务，我大概会想：哎，又来一个，真烦人。

And then all these tasks that come up, if I didn't account for it beforehand, I would almost be like, oh, this is, like, kind of negative or, like, I don't like that.

还得再加一项任务。

I have to add this task.

所以我特别喜欢你这种视角，把新冒出的任务当成解锁新乐趣一样看待。

So I like the way that you kind of approach it in, like, a positively unlocking new things to do.

不过我觉得，具体还得看这任务本身是什么性质。

I guess it really depends on the nature of the task at hand too, though.

对我来说，搞这种布置还挺带劲的。

Like, to me, doing that setup is exciting.

但要是别的事儿，我可能也会跟你一样，心里嘀咕：天啊，怎么还有完没完了。

But if there were something else, I might also be, like, how you would react, like, Ugh, can't believe there's more to this now.

说起来挺有意思的，你的想法跟我完全不一样。

Well, I feel like it's funny because your answer is very different from mine.

我一直在想，哪些事能让我突然有点干劲儿。

I was trying to think about things that can kind of give me a spark of energy.

有时候我觉得自己得来点‘暴露疗法’似的。

And sometimes I feel like it takes me having exposure therapy almost.

就是我生命里有过那么些时候，明明过得不咋地，还总觉得因为各种原因干不了这事那事。

And what I mean by that is I feel like there's been moments in my life where I'm like not really having a good time or I feel like I can't do these things because of these factors.

我曾经跟朋友抱怨，一口气吐槽：‘这事儿我干不了，就是因为那个……’

And I've had these very real moments where I'm complaining to a friend and I'm like ranting like, Oh, I can't do this because of that.

或者：‘我不想健身，就是因为这个原因。’

Or like, I don't want go to the gym because of this.

可当我一边说一边听自己唠叨，突然意识到：哎，原来这事儿在我心里被放大得这么吓人，像压得我喘不过气的大石头，根本没法动弹。

And as I hear myself rant, I'm like, I guess this is something that felt so big and heavy, you know, like a huge weight dragging me down in my head that makes it impossible to do this task.

但一说出来，我才觉得：咦？这事儿真有那么严重吗？ maybe 根本不值得让我这么没劲儿。

But hearing myself say it out loud, I'm like, maybe this isn't that big of a deal or like, maybe this isn't something that should keep my energy trapped.

说完之后，我就感觉好多了。

And then after I rant, I just feel better.

首先，我感觉压在心头的大石头终于搬走了，因为那些一直在脑子里盘旋的事，现在说出来了。

One, I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders because this thing that has been, like, haunting me in my head is now spoken out loud.

是的。

Yeah.

然后另一方面呢，是这样——

And then the other aspect is, like, okay.

虽然心里觉得这事天大的事，但其实可能没我想象的那么严重。

Like, maybe mentally it felt like a huge deal, but in reality, it might not be as big of a problem as I thought.

我觉得，光是发泄一通，就有时候能帮我重新振作起来。

Just the act of ranting, I think, has sometimes helped me pick myself back up.

现在我又可以做回真实的自己了，因为那些糟糕的想法，不再只困在我脑子里了。

Now I can be, like, a real person again because these terrible thoughts are kind of not just in my head anymore.

对。

Yeah.

你把这些都释放出来了。

You've released them.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得这跟别人写待办事项有点像。

I feel like that's also a little similar to when people are, like, write down what you need to do next.

是啊。

Mhmm.

那样有时候也有帮助。

And that sometimes helps too.

没错。

Right.

所以你其实是在把问题写下来。

So you're kind of like writing down the problems almost.

然后当你把这些问题写出来或说出来的时候，你会突然意识到：等等。

And then when you say slash write down these problems, you're like, oh, wait.

其实也没那么糟。

Actually, it's not that bad.

是的。

Yeah.

确实如此。

It's true.

我觉得这特别让人轻松。

And I think it's very freeing.

我这个人容易走极端，想事情非黑即白。

I think I'm someone who can sort of think in extremes.

要么觉得最坏的情况肯定会发生，要么觉得这事简直没法搞。

Like, I assume the worst or I can feel like something is very, very daunting.

但跟朋友一聊，才发现，哎，原来也没那么严重。

But talking to a friend, you're like, oh, this is actually not that big of a deal.

这其实还挺提气的。

And it can be encouraging too.

有时候朋友会给你一些明智的建议，或者他们自己也经历过类似的事，会告诉你他们是怎么重新振作起来的。

Like, sometimes your friend might have words of wisdom or they might have gone through something similar too, and they tell you the things that they've done to, like, pick themselves back up.

所以有个能跟你交流的人，真的特别好。

So it's always good to have some, like, human input.

是的。

Yeah.

我同意。

I agree.

哪怕只是个倾诉对象，让你随便吐槽都行。

Even if it's just to be like a wall to listen to you rant.

对。

Yeah.

完全没错。

Totally.

我们刚才聊了很多关于不同阶段的干劲，比如低谷期、重新爬起来，甚至就是干劲慢慢减退的时候。

I feel like we talked a lot about different stages of momentum that we have experienced, you know, whether it's a lull, whether it's picking ourselves back up or even the slowing down of momentum.

而且我觉得特别暖心，原来我们经历的挣扎这么相似，连想法都差不多。

And I feel like it was very nice to hear that we go through similar struggles and oftentimes even think of it in the same way.

今天聊我们这些动力问题，真挺有意思的。

So it was very fun chatting about our momentum issues today.

给各位听众朋友提个醒：如果你有什么能让你坚持下去、重燃能量，或者从低谷里爬起来的小妙招，欢迎随时联系我们。

So for our listeners out there, if you have any thoughts on things that keep you going or spark energy or ways to recover from low energy, feel free to reach out to us.

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We have social media at eatyourcrustpod, and we also have email, eatyourcrustpodgmail dot com.

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We upload new episodes every other Wednesday morning.

谢谢收听。

Thanks for listening.

别忘了吃掉面包边啊。

And don't forget to eat your crust.