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嗨。
Hi.
欢迎回到《Eat Your Crust》播客。
Welcome back to Eat Your Crustpodcast.
我是水晶。
I'm Crystal.
我是Jisoo。
I'm Jisoo.
我是吉米。
And I'm Jimmy.
这周我们突然想聊聊工作的事。
So this week, we felt the urge to talk about work.
我觉得大多数人每周至少得经历好几次，这些会议差别可大了——有时候特别高效、特别有帮助，有时候却纯粹浪费时间，根本不是用时间的好方式。
I feel like most people have to experience this at least a handful of times per week, and they can vary a lot from being really efficient, being really helpful, to sometimes just feeling like wasted time or not the best use of time.
所以今天我们就来聊聊职场会议：你是怎么应对的？有没有什么对你特别管用的方法？总的来说，你和这些会议是什么关系？
So we wanted to take today to talk about meetings at work, how you deal with them, what have you found to work for you, and just in general, your relationship with work meetings.
我第一个想问大家的是，你们平时一天开多少会？
First question I have for everyone is how many meetings do you typically have?
一天几场，一周大概多少场？
How many meetings per day, and then how many meetings per week?
一天开完一堆会，还得开个会来讨论开会。
Dude, meeting about meetings after a day of meetings.
说实话，我就是等着开完会说声谢谢就完事了，我一天大概四场左右吧。
I I'm prepared, honestly, just to wait until the end and say thank you and just be I have probably around, like, four meetings per day.
如果算上晨会的话，大概是五场。
I guess five, if you count stand up.
晨会嘛，你知道的，就十五分钟。
That stand up is like, you know, it's like fifteen minutes.
算个小会吧。
It's a baby meeting.
不过总的来说，我一天大概四场会。
But yeah, around like four meetings per day.
天哪。
Dang.
所以你一周大概得开二十场会吧。
So you end up maybe with like 20 ish per week.
对。
Yeah.
再乘以五。
Times five.
减掉。
Down.
老兄，这听起来也太多了吧，我这周刚数了下自己的会议，觉得在新公司这周会议真够多的，居然有十场。
Dude, that sounds like a lot because I was counting my meetings this week and I was like, this is kind of a meeting heavy week for me in my new company and I had 10 meetings.
听到你说你有二十场，真觉得太多了。
And seeing you say you have 20 is actually a lot.
我的天。
Oh my God.
这周可能更糟，因为我们的财年就在这一周结束，你知道的，六月。
This week is probably even worse too because our fiscal year ends this week, you know, June.
我们的财年安排真怪。
Our fiscal year is weird.
我不懂为啥有公司选在夏天中间结束，可我们就是这么个情况。
I don't get the companies that end in the middle of summer, but ours is ending.
大家都疯狂加会议，一个接一个。
So everyone's like pumping out more meetings, more meetings.
人人都想约会，无非是想求点人情、托点事儿。
Everyone just wants to meet to ask like favors and stuff.
天哪，真受不了。
Oh, no.
是啊。
Yeah.
我太懂了。
I feel that.
我以前上班的时候也是这样，一想到开会就头疼，因为每次开会都会冒出一堆新活儿。
I think in my past job, it was similar where I would just dread meetings because every meeting would just birth more work.
最糟的是，有时候还行，至少能交换点意见，做点决定。
The worst part is sometimes it's okay because it'll be like an exchange, you know, like some decisions will be made.
这样一些悬而未决的事就解决了，还能顺带启动个新项目啥的。
So some loose ends are tied and then you have, like, a new project to start on or something like that.
但要是那些事儿老拖着不解决，新项目又一堆，我就真受不了再开会了。
But the times where those loose ends aren't tied, so there's, like, ongoing decisions that are just, like, put off, and then new projects are made, I'm like, I can't handle another meeting.
这根本就是个没完没了的死循环。
It's a perpetual cycle that just never ends.
每次都是：吉米，这个任务你来跟进一下，下周再碰个头？
Every single time it's like, Jimmy, you wanna take that action item and, you know, circle back around, like, next week?
别了。
No.
我真不想接任何待办事项。
I don't wanna take any action items.
我平时其实没多少会议。
I actually tend to not have too many meetings in my day to day.
要是轻松点的一周，整个星期六场会议就够了。
On a chill week, I can get away with as little as six meetings for the whole week.
平均下来一天一两场吧。
Yeah, so like maybe an average of one to two a day.
除了特殊情况，我一周开会最多也就十五场左右。
I think I've never had more than, like, 15 in a week other than, like, events.
你真幸运。
Lucky you.
天哪。
Oh my god.
你主要是做执行工作的吧？
Are you more of, like, an individual contributor?
是的。
Yeah.
因为我的工作是设计，比较独立，不用太操心业务对接或者整体项目管理那块儿。
Because my work is in design and it's kind of isolated, I don't have to, like, do as much of the business relations just, like, in terms of overall project management.
其实大部分项目都已经有人管好了。
It's just, like, they've kind of already project managed most of this.
我这边就是人家过来问一句：‘这个图你能搞一下吗？’就这么简单。
My part is just like, hey, can you do this like graphic or whatever?
所以我和别人开会的时间特别少，或者就是匆匆聊几句就完事。
So then my meeting time with the other people is pretty minimal or really quick.
是啊。
Yeah.
这倒提醒我了，看你开会时的角色不同，感受真的差别很大。
I guess that brings up the good point of depending on what your role is in a meeting, it can also feel very different.
比如我说我每周大概有十场会。
For example, I said I had about 10 meetings a week.
其中很多都是全员大会。
A lot of them are like all hands.
就是那种大团队会议之类的，我不用上台讲。
Some sort of like big group team meeting or something where I don't have to present.
我只需要坐着听一听信息就行。
I just can like sit and like listen to information.
但以前我那份工作，好多会议都是我主持的。
Versus in my past role, I felt like a lot of my meetings I was leading.
所以主持会议本身就得做一堆准备，比如得拟议程、提前几天发出去。
So then preparing to lead a meeting has a lot of homework in itself of like, you have to prep the agenda, send it out a couple of days prior.
要是跟管理层开会，还得做PPT什么的。
Oftentimes if you're doing meetings with leadership, have to like present a deck and stuff.
还不止这些，得安排人记笔记，或者自己记，会后还得发个总结。
Not only that, have to like assign someone to take notes or you yourself might be taking notes and then afterwards you send out like a recap.
所以从我以前的工作会议，到现在这些会议，就算数量一样，感觉也完全不一样。
So going from the meetings that I used to have in my old job and then going to the meetings that I have now, even if they were the same number of meetings, I think it would just feel super different for me.
我觉得会议这事儿，其实也有一部分取决于你自己。
I think also there's an aspect of meetings where it's up to you a little bit.
其实我要是想多开点会，每天完全可以多安排一些，就跟同事说：‘嘿，能快速聊一下吗？’
I think I could totally have more meetings in my day to day if I wanted to set up time with the people that I work with, like, Hey, can you chat fast?
我得弄清楚这事，或者问个问题。
I need to clarify this or ask a question.
但我早就习惯了发个消息，或者干脆发封邮件。
But I guess I'm just so much more used to pinging someone or even shooting an email.
正因如此，我也尽量少开会议。
Because of that, I also cut down on my meetings.
有时候别人会突然找我：‘你现在有空开个会吗？’
Because sometimes people will ping me and they'll be like, hey, do you have time right now to hop on a call?
我就说：‘行吧，那就开吧。’
And I'm like, okay, I guess.
我通常也是那个主动发消息的人。
I'm usually the pinger in that situation, also.
怪不得我每天有二十个会，说实话。
That that probably explains why I have 20 meetings, honestly.
我特别喜欢闲聊，你知道的。
A big fan of, like, chitchat, you know?
对。
Mhmm.
至少我喜欢的那些人，尤其是一对一的时候，完全可以多聊点，顺便八卦一下啥的。
Well, people that I like at least, especially, like, one on one situations, you could probably chitchat a lot more and gossip a little bit and stuff.
我通常都会主动说：嘿。
I'm usually the, hey.
要不咱们开个会？
You wanna hop on a call?
或者，嘿。
Or, hey.
我给你约个时间。
I'm gonna put something in your calendar.
就这么定了。
Accept it.
你懂的。
You know?
你这根本就是没法拒绝啊。
You're like, there's no decline button.
根本没法拒绝。
There's no decline button.
天哪。
Oh my god.
别搞什么‘可能’‘再看看’之类的，别想敷衍。
Don't even dare hit, like, tentative or something.
我的意思是，这种会议有时候确实躲不掉。
I mean, I think to an extent meetings like that are unavoidable sometimes.
毕竟，直接开个短会聊一聊，效率高多了，尤其是遇到复杂点的问题，或者牵扯的人和事特别多的时候。
It's just so much faster to hop on a quick call and then like sort through something especially if it's like a more complex issue or if there's like a lot of different moving pieces or something.
但我呢，我特别怕会议超时。
But for me, I have this whole thing of like not wanting a meeting to go over.
所以我开头先随便聊几句，等时间一到两点十分，我就直接截断，说：行了行了，咱们进入正题吧。
So I can like do the chitchat in the beginning and then after it hits like 02:10 or something, I'll like cut it off and I'll be like okay anyways let's jump into the actual word.
你就搞五分鐘的议程闲聊。
You're like agenda chitchat for five minutes.
对。
Yeah.
到此为止。
No more.
我就是这样。
That's me.
我觉得够了。
I'm like that's enough.
就像个清单一样。
It's like a checklist.
好了，就这样。
Like, okay.
首先，咱们聊聊《爱岛》吧。
First, let's talk about Love Island.
说实话，我也挺喜欢闲聊的。
Honestly, I do like the chitchat too.
但这其实有点狡猾，我前十五分钟先闲扯，占掉三十分钟的一半，然后才说：行了，该干活了。
It's but it's, like, sort of devious because I'll chitchat for the first, like, fifteen minutes of a thirty minute, and then I'll like, okay, let's get to work.
干活的时候节奏可快了，就是干、干、干，你懂的？
And then the work is, you know, fast paced, like, get it done, get it done, get it done, you know?
一点创意都没有，啥都没有。
No ideation, nothing.
就是告诉你：你得干这个，赶紧去干。
Just like, this is what I need you to do and just do it.
你都不给他们时间反驳你的任务？
You don't give them time to, like, refute your tasks?
不给。
No.
这太浪费时间了。
That wastes time.
没错。
That's for sure.
效率太低了。
So inefficient.
这种会议安排挺有意思，一半时间闲聊。
It's an interesting split of a meeting block, like half chitchat.
你得先热热身，你知道的。
You gotta warm them up, you know?
得让他们感觉舒服，然后十五分钟直接甩任务：你得干这个、这个、这个，好了，谢谢。
You gotta make them feel good and then fifteen minutes of just like, okay, you gotta do this, this, this, like, thank you.
说实话，我觉得这也有好处，比如三十分钟的会其实十到十五分钟就能说完，要是提前结束了，总有人会开始唠叨项目，你就只能听着。
Honestly, see the benefits in that because sometimes when, say, you have a thirty minute meeting that only really needs, like, 10:15, if you finish early, sometimes someone will start blabbing or rambling about the project and you're like, okay.
别这样。
No.
咱们现在能结束这个会吗？
Can we just end this meeting now?
没错。
Exactly.
我宁愿花十五分钟聊聊《爱岛》真人秀，也不愿干坐着琢磨‘这事儿是不是该这么办’。
I'd much rather spend fifteen minutes talking about Love Island versus, like, you know, fifteen minutes being like, oh, like, maybe this would be better.
你懂的。
You know?
别了。
No.
要是开头能聊聊哪怕天气这种小事，我反而更愿意帮你。
And I'm, like, more likely to do something for you if we talk about, like, even something as simple as the weather in the beginning.
知道你平时干嘛、养什么宠物，或者随便扯点工作外的闲篇儿，人就显得更真实了。
Like, it just, like, humanizes you a little bit knowing, like, what you're up to or, like, your pets or any sort of like random topic that's outside of work.
不过我确实会偷偷记下那些总超时的人。
But I will say I make mental notes sometimes of people who always run over meetings.
我不是故意这样的，但我心里都会记着，我的小本本自动就更新了，心想：哎哟，这人每次都超时，那下次别排在他后头了，或者干脆多订点时间啥的。
Like I'm not purposely trying to do it but I'll remember you know and my mental log will like automatically get updated and I'm like damn this person always goes over like maybe I shouldn't schedule this other meeting right after or like I'll like know to book the meeting room longer or something.
那你对这些人就直接掐掉闲聊了？
Are you cutting off the chitchat then with those people?
还是说对这类人管得更严一点？
Or is it Run a stricter ship for that one.
对啊。
Yeah.
你能别老聊天气了吗？
Can you please shut up about the weather?
咱们直接
Like, let's
跟你的工作有点相关，Jisoo，我也会留意那些特别忙、老是开会迟到的人，前一个会拖堂了嘛，就赶不回来。
Kind of related to what you do, Jisoo, I also take note of the people who I work with who are super busy who oftentimes come late to our meetings because their previous meeting was running late or something like that.
所以每次他们一到，我就心里暗爽：啊，来了来了。
So then it's always a joy to be like, ah, yes.
再过两分钟，那人估计就到了。
I have two more minutes until that person probably shows up.
确实如此。
So true.
他们总是这样，特别准时地迟到，而且迟到的时间也特别稳定，你知道吧？
They're always, like, consistent too about like, they're always late consistently late, but they're also, in my case at least, they're also like pretty consistent with how much time they're usually late, you know?
比如我经理，每次都准准地迟到三分钟。
Like my manager, minutes on the dot every time.
对，三分钟。
Three Yeah.
所以我一看到微软Teams的通知就明白了。
So I'll see the notification, you know, the Microsoft Teams notification.
心里就想：哦，来了。
They're like, okay, great.
趁这会儿去给水壶加点水。
Let me fill up our water.
我去趟洗手间。
Let me go to the bathroom.
除了那些总爱迟到的人，咱们聊聊那些固定的会议吧。
So then aside from, like, recurring people, let's talk a little bit about recurring meetings.
我猜你们也都像吉米之前说的那样，有每日站会或者团队会议吧。
Like, I'm sure you all have Jimmy mentioned earlier, like, stand ups sometimes or team meetings.
我第一个问题是，你在这种会议里，会不会觉得自己总扮演某种固定的角色？
My first question is do you ever feel like you have almost a specific persona or role in that meeting?
因为在我团队的会上，我总觉得我就是那个最安静、话最少、几乎不发言的人。
Because in my team meeting, I feel like I'm always the quiet, don't really talk too much, share very little person of the team.
我们团队里还有些人，我注意到有人特别喜欢长篇大论、事无巨细地解释，有人专门负责记笔记，还有人像那种忙得团团转的妈妈之类的。
And then we also have some that I've noticed that are like one person who loves to give really long, thorough explanations, another person who is like the notetaker and like the busy mom, that kind of stuff.
那你那边开会时，看到过哪些固定角色吗？
So what do you see in your meetings?
那个记笔记的人也太惨了吧。
I feel so bad for this notetaker person.
大家都知道她是负责记笔记的吗？
They're known as the notetaker?
这也太惨了吧。
That fucking sucks.
其实吧，我之前也帮着记过笔记。
A Actually, bad I helped out with the notetaking.
啊，不会吧。
So Oh, no.
不过我的角色其实轻松多了，那个记笔记的同事是自己主动接下这个活的。
My role is actually so much easier though, but our note taker quietly took on the role herself.
她就简单记几点，每个人分享周报的时候她都记一下。
And then she just, like, writes a couple bullet points for each person when they share their, like, weekly updates.
轮到她自己发言的时候，我就替她记。
When it's her turn because she's talking, I'll take her notes.
老铁，能给我介绍一下这个人吗？
Dude, can I get this person's contact?
我能让我公司的人才猎头把她挖走吗？
Can I get, like, my company's headhunter to get her?
这也太离谱了吧。
This is crazy.
等等。
Wait.
不行。
No.
我们可离不开她。
We need her.
兄弟，当记录员真没劲。
Dude, it's not fun being the notetaker.
我以前在上一家公司，大小会议都是我记笔记。
I was like always the notetaker in the small and big meetings in my past job.
我倒不是真生气，但就是老想：为啥总是我？
And I started to feel like not like resentment, but kind of resentment of like, why is it always me?
然后我就注意到了，对吧？
And then I would notice, right?
因为我观察过其他记笔记的人，全是女生。
Cause I would observe who the other note takers were and it was always women.
我当时就想，这也太离谱了吧。
And I was like, this is crazy.
你们这儿居然有这种心照不宣的记笔记的人，真有意思。
It's so interesting that you guys have just like unspoken note takers.
我们团队每月开会，都是按季度轮着来一个人记会议纪要。
For my immediate team, for our, monthly meetings, we'll have, like, a meeting minutes person per quarter.
我们搞了个转盘，转到谁谁就负责。
So we have, like, a wheel and we'll spin it.
然后就这样呗。
And then yeah.
你知道的，总是那种特别好说话、还带点讽刺劲儿的，呵呵。
You know, it's always, like, the nice, like, sarcastic, like, ho ho.
恭喜你出任这个角色！
Congrats on the role.
大家都笑了起来。
Everyone chuckles.
我挺喜欢这个做法的。
I kinda like that.
这真是
It's a
个好办法。
good system.
这确实是个挺棒的制度。
That is a pretty good system.
每个人都要轮流来，你知道的。
Everyone's forced to be one, you know.
所以我就替刚抽到这个差事的人觉得可怜。
That's why I feel bad for whoever just got stuck with that role.
可以转个轮盘。
Can spin a wheel.
老兄，抛开记笔记不说，有时候团队会议让大家轮流更新进展，你知道的，大家总会说，这也不一定非得是工作上的更新。
Dude, note taking aside, sometimes the team meetings where you go around and share updates and you know how people will always be like, oh, it doesn't have to be like a work update.
比如，可以……
Like, can
想说什么就说什么。
share whatever.
比如，得想个……
Like, coming up
有时候为这个编个故事，还真成了我日程上的一件事。
with a story for that sometimes is like an actual task on my agenda.
我就想，哎呀，赶紧……
Like, I'm like, oh, come
为这两轮编个故事出来。
up with story for the two rounds.
我最近忙啥了？
What have
我干嘛了？
I been up to?
等等。
Wait.
我也是。
Same.
我觉得周一站会的时候，大家总爱问：周末干啥了？
I definitely feel like the Monday stand ups were like, oh, you know, what'd you do for the weekend?
每次我都得把周末玩得多嗨压一压，说得轻描淡写。
I have to dilute how much fun I had over the weekend every time.
你懂的，我总不能一开口就说：哎，我去了。
You know, I can't go out, right, and be like, oh, yeah.
周五那晚，我嗨到天亮。
So Friday, I partied all night.
星期六嘛，那当然了。
Saturday, oh, yeah.
我那天也干了同样的事。
I also did that too.
星期天我就瘫在那儿看电视，整个人都动不了了。
And then Sunday, I just watched television because I just I was incapacitated the entire day.
啥事儿都干不了。
I couldn't do anything.
老兄，我和吉米完全相反。
Dude, I am the opposite of Jimmy.
别人一问，天哪。
People are like, oh my god.
大家周末过得怎么样？
So how is everyone's weekend?
我就回：还行吧。
And I was like, it was good.
我就待在家里。
I just stayed home.
我平时就爱这么宅，他们估计以为我是水晶呢。
Well, that's what I usually dilute to, so they probably think I'm a crystal.
你
You
懂吧？
know?
天哪。
Damn.
真的绝了。
Like, damn.
这哥们儿根本不出门。
This guy just doesn't really go out.
有时候我一说周末去打高尔夫，他们就惊了。
Sometimes I'm like, I played golf over the weekend, and they're like, woah.
你出门了？
You left the house?
我觉得，有那种特别具体、小众的爱好真好，聊起来特别有料。
I feel like this is when it pays off to have really specific and, like, niche hobbies that you can talk about.
哪怕你说点小事，比如就去冲了十分钟浪，都特别酷。
Because even if you say, like, the smallest thing, even if you went, like, surfing for, like, ten minutes, know, it's, like, super cool.
但我老是说，哎，就和朋友待了待。
But I feel like I'm always saying, oh, I just like hung out with some friends.
然后就没下文了。
And then that's like it.
就这，就完了。
Like, that's the Like,
再多的我真不能说了。
I cannot divulge any more than that.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
请别提问。
No questions, please.
老兄，我真怕开那些会，尤其是这周我啥也没干出来的时候。
Dude, I actually dread the meetings though when I'm like, I have nothing to say this week.
我真的没啥进展可以分享。
Like, I have no updates for you all.
我该说点啥好呢？
I'm like, what do I say?
咋才能躲过这次会啊？
How do I skip this meeting?
说实话，我现在都懒得瞒了——压根没更新这事，几乎天天都这样。
Honestly, I'm sad to admit this is like honestly a daily occurrence at this point where I don't have any updates.
所以我就会把电脑音量调到最大。
So I'll just, I'll like put it, put the volume like super high on my computer.
这样我就算在听。
So I'm like tuning in.
但我在家上班，电视就在旁边。
But then since I work from home, my TV's like right there.
我通常都开着剧在追，然后说到你的问题，我呢，整个会议都装哑巴，等到最后才取消静音。
I usually always have a show on binging and so I'll just be watching a show, you know, and then going back to your question, my persona, I'm the stay quiet the entire meeting and then at the very end, unmute.
谢谢。
Thank you.
然后赶紧退出。
And then just quickly leave.
我也是，我也这样。
Same, same.
对。
Yeah.
我同意。
I agree.
我的意思是，咱们都还挺年轻的。
I mean, I feel like we're pretty young.
我觉得那些在会上总爱发言的，多半是领导、高管，或者在公司待了很久的人。
I think the people who speak up a lot in meetings tend to be like more leadership or like executives or people who have been at the company for a long time.
但说实话，当像我们这样年纪的人，或者和我们级别差不多的人，在那种几十人的大型会议上敢主动发言、举手表态的时候，
But I will say when people our age or like people at a similar level as us really speak up in especially those big meetings, raise your hand in like a 50 person meeting type of thing.
我真觉得牛啊。
I'm like, damn.
你太酷了。
Like, you're pretty cool.
你真是个狠人。
You're a boss.
老兄，不过我有时候也在想。
Dude, but I also wonder sometimes.
我觉得我根本没怎么分享过自己的事。
I'm like, I feel like I don't share that much.
就偶尔漏那么一星半点的私生活，开会的时候我也一向话不多。
Just like bits and pieces, like crumbs of my personal life, and I'm usually pretty quiet in meetings.
我老在想，我是不是给人感觉特别神秘，或者干脆就是无聊。
I wonder if I give off, like, mysterious or just, like, boring.
我完全能理解。
I could totally see that.
我都认识你十几年了，确实如此。
I've known you for, like, what, twelve, thirteen years, and I Mhmm.
这话一点不假。
That's a 100% true.
我觉得你拿捏得挺到位的，Crust。
That's I think you teeter the line well, Crust.
真的一点都没错。
I think you really did.
我觉得
I think
哇哦。
Wow.
谢谢。
Thanks.
你真是个神秘的人。
Very mysterious person.
我觉得这可能就是你的风格吧。跟你相反，我开会的时候要么说得太多，要么干脆一言不发，不是我在主导话题，就是压根儿没在车上。
I feel like this is maybe the theme, you know, I'm like the opposite of you where I go from either I overshare or I just don't say anything at all in a meeting, you know, Either I'm the one driving it or I'm just not even in the car.
这其实也挺贴切的。
That is also fitting actually.
是啊。
Yeah.
没错。
For sure.
天哪，我在想我有没有什么固定的角色或人设。
Damn, I'm trying to think if I have a role or persona.
说实话，这挺难的，因为我刚换新工作，还在适应阶段。
I mean, I think it's hard because I'm still getting settled into my new role and my new company.
但要是回想起以前那份稳定的工作，我经常主导会议，提前做足准备什么的。
But if I think back to my past job where I was more established, I think I drove a lot of the meetings and I would kind of come prepared and whatnot.
但我真不觉得这有什么乐趣。
But I wouldn't say I enjoyed it.
你懂我意思吧？
You know what I mean?
我不是那种乐在其中的人。
Like, it wasn't something that I was happily doing.
某种程度上，这反而成了我心理上的负担。
I think it kind of felt like a mental burden on me to an extent.
所以现在在新公司，我还在摸索自己的定位，就想琢磨下我到底更喜欢哪种方式，对。
So in my new job where I am kind of figuring out my role, I'm trying to think what I prefer Mhmm.
而不是我该做什么。
Instead of, like, what I should be doing.
所以你可以重新塑造自己。
So you get to rebrand.
对。
Yeah.
所以现在我啥也不是。
So for now, I'm nothing.
但很快，我就会有样子了。
But soon, I'll be something.
老兄，要不你当个搞笑担当？
Dude, maybe you could be, like, the jokester.
哦。
Oh.
哦。
Oh.
但我真得把这股劲儿给拿出来。
I have to, like, bring that out, though.
你懂的。
You know?
就是得真真正正地把这股劲儿使出来。
Like, I have to, like, really pull it out.
我团队开会时确实有个爱讲笑话的。
I definitely have a jokester in one of my team meetings.
开会嘛。
Meetings.
哦。
Oh.
哦。
Oh.
其实也没那么好玩。
It's not that fun.
我觉得这真是个心理负担，吉米。
I feel like it's a mental burden, Jimmy.
是的。
Yeah.
别人都觉得跟我在一起就得开心，我特讨厌这样。
People would just expect to have fun with me and I hate it.
有时候我真的不想这样。
Sometimes I don't want to be.
你懂吧，刚开始的时候有多难吗？
You know how hard it look is like in the very beginning, right?
我那时候话可多了，你知道的。
I would talk a lot, you know?
我老是逗乐子、搞气氛什么的。
I was a jokester and stuff.
后来我就慢慢不装了，就光坐着看。
You know, gradually I stopped Ray Caring and I'm just like watching.
我老是说《爱岛》，但其实现在真的挺贴切的，以前是动漫的时候就没这感觉。
I keep saying Love Island, but really it's it's very true right now before it was anime.
我就安安静静的，麦子静音了，光坐着看，你知道吧？
And I'm just, like, quiet because I just have my, you know, mic muted and I'm just, like, watching, you know?
我根本不参与，结果别人还错过好多笑点，你懂的？
I'm not, like, engaged or anything, and peep people miss the jokes, you know?
别人真的错过好多笑点。
People miss the jokes.
我经理有次就注意到了，她跟我说：吉米，你最近怎么这么安静？
Like, word for word, my manager one time, she noticed, and she was like, hey, Jimmy.
我说：哦，是吗？
Like, I noticed you're pretty quiet.
是啊，你知道的。
I'm like, oh, yeah.
对吧？
You know?
我就想让别人多说说。
I'm just I I just wanna let other people talk.
对吧？
Right?
我就想让大家都能分享一下，把想法说出来。
I just wanna let people, you know, share and stuff, get their voices out there.
这回答挺好的。
That's a good response.
是的。
Yeah.
真服了。
Damn.
我实话跟你说。
I'm not gonna lie.
要是开会时那个爱开玩笑的人突然安静了，我真会担心。
Like, when the jokester is quiet during meetings, I get worried.
我心想，这人是不是脑子里有什么问题啊？
I'm like, is something going on in this person's crystal light?
是的。
Yeah.
你就会想，他没事吧？
You're like, are they okay?
对。
Yeah.
得去做个健康检查？
Like wellness check?
也许有一天我能做到吧。
Maybe one day I'll get there.
我觉得现在我就是个只会微笑点头的人。
I think for now I'm the smile and nodder.
就是拼命笑，拼命点头那种。
Like, I, like, smile vigorously and I, like, nod a lot.
我也是。
Same.
我也是。
Same.
不错。
Nice.
微笑点头型。
Smile nodder.
对。
Mhmm.
每个团队都需要这样的人。
Every team needs that.
你懂的。
You know?
让我展示一下我最棒的表情。
Give me out my best facial expressions.
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我也会用一些表情符号。
I also use, like, the emojis.
天哪。
Oh my gosh.
我就是这样的。
That's me I
超爱那些反应表情。
love the reacts.
时不时点个赞。
A little thumbs up here and there.
你懂的。
You know?
对啊。
Oh, yeah.
对啊。
Oh, yeah.
那个鼓掌的？
The clapping one?
对啊。
Oh, yeah.
你才是那个总鼓掌的。
You're the clapping.
说实话，我才是那个疯狂点赞的人。
If I'm being honest, I'm the I'm the react spammer.
哦。
Oh.
这让他们感觉特别好。
It makes them feel good.
是的。
Yeah.
一下鼓掌还好，但要是疯狂鼓掌，他们就会惊呼：天哪。
Like, one clap is good, but if you clap a lot, then they're like, oh my god.
我真没少下功夫，做得挺到位的。
I really did do a good job.
没错。
That's true.
我有时候也选择打字，因为不想开麦，一开麦还怕抢话，搞得大家干等着我讲完，多尴尬。
I also sometimes respond by typing because I don't wanna unmute and then talk and then make it accidentally talk over someone and then make it awkward and everyone's waiting for you to finish your thought.
直接打字就行，大家一看就懂，挺好的。
Just type and then everyone can read it and be like, cool.
对啊。
Yeah.
我跟老板说过，希望别人多发言，这话说得其实挺对的——我真不想打断别人。
When I said to my manager, you know, that I want other people to, like, share more, That's actually kind of true, you know, and so I don't want to like interrupt someone.
我就在聊天框里发一句，等人家说完，大家自然会说：‘吉米，你发个消息呗。’然后一读，哦，明白了。
I'll just like put something in the chat and then once they finish their thought, usually people are like, oh, Jimmy, put something in the chat and they'll read it and be like, oh yeah, okay.
说完我再点个赞。
Then I'll give a thumbs up afterward.
两种方法都用呗。
Call both.
不过说真的，我也碰到过这种情况：看到别人正在说话，我不想打断人家。
I will say though, I've had times where I'm like, oh, you know, someone's talking, don't wanna talk over them.
所以我就把想说的发进聊天框里，结果正在说话的人反倒停下来了，因为他们看到新消息弹出来了。
So I'll like put something in the chat And then the person talking will, like, stop because they see the chat come up.
还念叨着‘哦，GC发了这个内容’。
And they're like, oh, GC said this.
那我当时心里就想，我去。
And I'm like, fuck.
这完全就是
Like, this is the
和我本来想要的情况反过来了啊。
exact opposite of what I was wanting.
我的天呐。
Oh my god.
是的。
Yeah.
我们就是，哎等等。
We're we're like, oh, hold on.
让我看看，这明显是个线程问题。
Let me see what it's definitely like a line.
我现在已经彻底当上聊天区的表情包小能手了。
I think I'm well settled into my new role of the chat emoji guy now.
你现在就是键盘侠了。
You're the keyboard warrior now.
对。
Yeah.
键盘侠。
The keyboard warrior.
你们平时会直接开麦笑出声吗？
Do you guys ever unmute just to laugh or no?
天哪。
Oh my god.
有时候我会等等。
Wait sometimes.
我也会这么干。
I do do it as well.
如果
If
大家突然一起笑起来，而且觉得可以安全开麦了，就跟着笑。
there's a chorus of laughter and it's safe to unmute and join
你只会趁自己笑起来不突兀的时候才开麦。
You'll only do if you're, like, your laugh doesn't stand out.
是的。
Yeah.
这就意味着，其实有些时候笑是不合适的。
And, like, how that implies there's, like, a time where it's not safe to laugh.
这明显有种群体心理，你知道的，要么有人讲笑话没人笑，要么大家一起哄堂大笑。
There's definitely, like, a group mentality, you know, because either someone bombs a joke or, like, they get a chorus of laughter.
对啊。
Mhmm.
首先，没人想当那个讲完笑话却没人笑的倒霉蛋。
First, no one wants to be the guy who tells a joke, no one laughs.
但同时，也没人想当那个一个人笑得特别突兀的人。
But also, no one wants to be the person who's the only one laughing.
没错。
True.
而且有时候你一笑或者插话，就会把对方的原声给切断。
And sometimes when you laugh or, you know, talk over someone, it cuts the original audio off
稍微卡一下。
a little bit.
所以最稳妥的做法就是先默默反应，等对方说完再取消静音，轻轻笑几声。
It's safer to just like react or know that they're done talking and then unmuting to laugh a bit.
那我呢，
Well, what I'll
现在我会装出特别夸张的笑的样子，但保持静音，好让他们能继续说下去。
do nowadays is like I'll like laugh really hard visually, you know, like obviously laughing like but I'll stay muted so that they can keep talking.
但我其实是在给他们打气呢。
But I'm, like, encouraging them.
你看啊，
Like, look.
我都在笑呢。
I'm laughing.
老兄，咱们全都是哑剧演员。
Dude, we're all just mimes.
视频里的哑剧演员。
Mimes on the video
给他们比个赞就行。
Give them a little visual thumbs up.
等等。
Wait.
我完全给点赞。
I totally thumbs up.
你给点赞？
You thumbs
嗯？
up?
对。
Yeah.
有时候我会在会议开始时问：‘大家这周感觉怎么样？’
Sometimes I'll start the meeting off like, how's everyone feeling this week?
然后我就比个点赞的手势。
And I'm like, thumbs up.
但保持静音。
Stay muted.
等等。
Wait.
这太搞笑了。
That's so funny.
你
You
都不肯开麦说一声‘挺好’。
won't even unmute and be like, good.
这可是标准操作啊。
Like, that's, like, the standard.
是啊。
Yeah.
你真是玩得够深的啊，Crystal。
You're really the deep end, Crystal.
我能看出来你经常这么干，因为刚才你那一下，装得还挺像那么回事。
I could tell you do it a lot too because when you did that, it it looked pretty legit.
你连表情都拿捏得刚刚好。
You even, like, had the right facial expression.
对。
Yeah.
这是练出来的。
It's practiced.
是排练过的。
It's rehearsed.
天哪。
Oh my god.
除了开大型会议时用电视，你们平时是开摄像头还是默认关着？
Well, I guess aside from something like a TV for big meetings, do you guys put your camera on or is it by default camera off?
默认关摄像头，还静音。
Camera off muted.
是的。
Yeah.
摄像头关着，静音。
Camera off muted.
我根本都不在场。
I'm not even in the room.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得那些大型会议，比如入职培训或者全员大会，有时候根本不像真正的会议。
I feel like those big meetings, like, sometimes it's like orientation or maybe like a big all hands.
我们公司的一些全员大会规模太大了，直接直播给全公司看。
Some of our, like, company wide all hands are so big that it's just streamed to the company.
那根本算不上什么会议。
It's like not even a meeting.
对啊。
Right.
所以大家就只是让它在后台开着。
So then it's just like on in the background.
我一边做早餐，一边开始一天的生活，摄像头关着，静音，全都不管。
I'm like making breakfast or like getting the day started, camera off, muted, all of that.
是的。
Yeah.
全员大会对我来说就是百分百的早餐时间。
All hands is, like, a 100% breakfast time for me.
我从来就没错过一场没边吃早餐的全员大会。
Only I've ever not had an all hands where I'm not eating breakfast.
我觉得只有特别的人，才会在大型会议里开着摄像头。
I think it takes a special type of person to like have their camera on during big meetings.
有时候我会参加那种不是网络直播的全员大会，还能看到每个人的摄像头小窗口，结果真有人正襟危坐、认真听讲。
There will be times where I'll like sit in an all hands that's not a webinar so you can still see like the individual camera slots and stuff and people are actually like actively listening.
我心想：天啊，你明明可以关掉摄像头，躺在床上干点自己想干的事儿，可你偏偏选择开着摄像头，知道自己会被投到大屏幕上、在办公室里被所有人看见——这真是绝了。
I'm like damn, like you could really be camera off like laying on your bed doing something that you want but instead you chose to like show up with your camera on knowing that you'll be blown up on a big TV and like in the actual office and I'm like this is crazy.
真是卷王啊兄弟。
Freaking try hard, dude.
他们就是想要被注意到。
They want the recognition.
天哪。
Oh my god.
我看到你了
I saw you
在全体会议时，你就坐在大屏幕旁边。
at the all hands right next to the big screen.
我就特别喜欢你全程都那么专注地听，你知道的。
I just love how intently you're, like, listening the entire time, you know.
我敢打赌CEO肯定注意到了。
I'm sure the CEO really noticed.
我不确定你们是不是也这样，但我觉得通常都是销售的人一边开车一边听，或者是管理层开着摄像头。
I mean, I don't know if it's the same with you guys, but I feel like it's usually always the salespeople that are, like, listening in while they're driving or it's leadership with their cameras on.
根本没别人了。
Like, there's no one else.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得确实挺对的。
That's pretty true, I think.
但有时候挺搞笑的，明明摄像头还开着，人却已经开始走神或者干别的事儿了。
But it is funny sometimes where you can still kind of lose interest or, like, do other things with your camera on.
在大型会议里看到这种场景特别逗，你能明显看到人家的光线变了——肯定是开了新窗口，或者干脆眼睛瞟到别处去了。
And I think seeing that in a big meeting is so funny where you can see people's, like, lighting change because they're opening new windows and stuff, or they're, like, totally looking somewhere else.
我每次都忍不住想：卧槽。
And I'm always just like, damn.
这简直太搞笑了。
That's hella funny.
对啊。
Yeah.
我有时候得干点事儿，哪怕只是弯腰拿个手机，镜头外头了，我也会直接关摄像头，免得别人注意到这种小分心。
I feel like sometimes when I have to do something, even if it's, like, leaning over and grabbing my phone being out of frame, I'm just gonna turn my camera off so people don't notice that distraction.
但这也让我有时候在想。
But then that also makes me wonder sometimes.
万一我真得去上厕所怎么办？
I'm like, what if I really need to go to the bathroom?
总不能在开会中途直接关摄像头跑了吧？
Like, should I just mute camera off and go to the bathroom in the middle of a meeting?
还是说，在小会议里得提前说一声？
Or do I announce it to the meeting if it's, like, a smaller one?
到底该怎么操作才合适啊？
Or, like, what is the move here?
天啊。
Oh my god.
我刚来公司那会儿，也纠结过这事儿。
You know, I struggled with that when I first joined the company.
结果我还真在会上举手问：‘我能去趟洗手间吗？’
And then And I then I made the mistake of asking during the meeting if it was I asked permission to go to the bathroom.
天哪。
Oh, no.
对啊。
Yeah.
我当时就说：嘿。
I was like, hey.
对了各位，希望没打扰到你们，但我能去趟洗手间吗？
By the way, guys, hopefully, it's not you know, hopefully, I'm not interrupting anything, but can can I use the restroom?
等等。
Wait.
你刚才没静音，还大声说出来了？
You unmuted and you said this out loud.
我的天。
Holy fuck.
我都忘了，当时怎么就觉得非得说不可了。
I forgot I forgot why it seemed like it was necessary at the time.
我经理还问：‘那些客服到底干了啥？’
And my manager's like, what the fuck did, like, the agents go?
等等。
Wait.
有人笑出来了吗？
Did did people laugh?
我觉得没有。
I don't think so.
天哪。
Oh my god.
这更糟了。
That's even worse.
我知道。
I know.
他们八成趁我憋着的时候在背后骂我呢。
Oh, they're probably talking shit while I was choking or something.
那简直太糟了。
It was so bad.
那时候我刚入行，满脑子都是梦想，眼里闪着光。
It was like when I was like a fledgling, you know, like stars in the eyes.
我就想尽全力做到最好。
Like, I just wanted to be the best I could be.
是啊。
Yeah.
说实话，这事儿真够难的。
I mean, it's a tough one.
我得说实话。
I have to be honest.
有时候我干脆把笔记本电脑带进浴室。
There are times where I just, like, take my laptop into the bathroom.
在家上班的时候，我就想：这事儿必须搞定。
When I'm working from home, I'm like this must be done.
尤其是别人在展示东西、我必须看的时候，我就想：算了，忍一忍吧。
Especially if someone's presenting something where I have to see it, I'm like, I guess I'll just take it in.
但要是那种小会议，我就直接在聊天框里打个‘去趟洗手间’。
But other times for like smaller meetings, I'll just type in the chat like BRB bathroom.
然后就溜了。
And then I'll just go.
说实话，挺意外的，我到现在还没在会议中间憋不住过。
To be honest, very surprisingly, I haven't encountered needing to go in the middle of a meeting yet.
一次都没有？
Ever?
我真怕有那么一天。
I I I fear the day.
哇哦。
Woah.
对啊。
Yeah.
说实话，我有好几次在办公室开会，突然就站起来去上厕所。
Honestly, there's been times where I'm in the office taking a meeting and I just like get up and go to the bathroom.
你从来没遇过这事儿？我真没想到。
I'm shocked that has never happened to you before.
哇哦。
Woah.
我最惨的一次是，会议马上就要开始了，突然内急得不行，心里直打鼓：希望来得及。
The worst that's happened to me was like maybe there's a meeting in two minutes and I'm like, oh, I have to go to the bathroom really badly right now.
我只能祈祷自己能撑住。
And I'm like, hopefully I can make it.
但真让我吃惊的是，你居然能直接站起来就走上去厕所。
But it's shocking to me that, like, you just get up and leave to go to the bathroom.
没人会问一句：‘她去哪儿了？’吗？
Are people not like, hey, what the fuck?
她怎么突然不见了？
Where is she going?
我的意思是，没有啊。
I mean, no.
我见过不少人这么干，特别是连着好几场会议的时候。
I've seen plenty of other people go to the like, especially if there's a lot of back to back meetings.
对吧？
Right?
对啊。
Mhmm.
我经常没时间提前准备会议，还得去趟洗手间。
I don't always have time to, like, prep for a meeting Yeah.
而且还得去上厕所。
And use the restroom.
老兄，那些老是迟到的人，会不会是因为一整天连轴转，实在憋不住了才去上厕所？
Dude, what if some of those people who are always late, it's because they have a full day of back to backs and they just need to go to bathroom?
是啊，有可能。
Yeah, maybe.
你好像不太信啊。
You seem skeptical.
听我说，我职业生涯刚开始那会儿闹过一出笑话，打那以后我就再也不声张了。
Listen, after that whole fiasco in the beginning of my career, I just go, I don't announce it.
我就在聊天框里打几个字，啥也不说。
I'll type in the chat, nothing.
说真的，我觉得这真没那么大事儿。
In all seriousness, right, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
你just出去一下，有人问你，你不在，他们回头再问你就是了。
You just leave and someone like asks you a question and you're not there, they'll, they'll just ask you later.
而且通常呢，我开会的时候看他们对别人也这样，就会说：‘哎，Annie，你知道这个吗？’
And usually what happens is like when I'm in the meeting and they do it to someone else, they'll be like, Hey, Annie, do you know this?
哦，行吧。
Oh, okay.
看来Annie现在忙呢。
I guess Annie is busy right now.
你懂的。
You know?
就这么回事。
That's it.
我有时候也会私聊我的导师，或者团队里的朋友什么的。
I guess sometimes the thing I'll do too is like, I'll maybe PM my mentor or like a friend on the team or something.
就说我去趟洗手间，有事随时叫我。
Something like I'm gonna go to the bathroom real quick let me know if I missed anything.
这样他们要是找我，就知道我刚去洗手间了，会帮忙转达一下。
That way if they do ask me something they could just be like oh I know she just went to the restroom but I'll like pass it on.
咱们这些短暂的休息，总能找到办法应对。
So there's workarounds to our little bio breaks.
天哪。
Oh my god.
这也算？
That also?
上厕所
Bio break.
天哪。
Oh my god.
这简直就是职场黑话的巅峰了。
Like, that is so peak beating lingo.
对吧？
Right?
我讨厌这个词。
I hate it.
我死也不会说‘上厕所’这种说法。
I refuse to say bio break.
我坚决不这么说。
I vehemently refuse to.
太蠢了。
It's so stupid.
直接说洗手间就行。
Just say bathroom.
别不好意思。
Don't be embarrassed.
对啊。
Yeah.
有洗手间、休息室，还有那个什么生物休息。
There's bathroom, there's restroom, or bio break.
但我感觉‘生物休息’才是现在最常用的说法。
But I feel like bio break is, like, the most commonly used phrase.
就连今天，我经理还给我发消息了。
Even just today too, my manager pinged me.
她就说：嘿。
She was like, hey.
你有空聊会儿吗？
Do you have time to, chat?
我就说，好啊。
I'm like, yeah.
我赶紧去趟洗手间。
Let me go to the bathroom real quick.
结果一泡屎蹲了三十分钟，简直了。
And then it was like a thirty minute, like, shit.
天哪。
Oh my god.
我都不知道说什么了。
I'm speechless.
我还真跟她说过了，我都说了我刚去完。
And I did say that, you know, I just came back.
我就说，行了，我回来了。
I was like, alright, I'm back.
她知道怎么回事。
She knows what happened.
她知道发生了啥，但咱们都是成年人，对吧？
She knows what happened, but we're both adults here, you know?
我早说‘BioBreak’也不会让情况变好多少。
It's not like me saying BioBreak would have made it any better.
老兄，我一听到‘BioBreak’，立马就想成生物危害。
Dude, whenever I hear BioBreak, I always think like biohazard.
是的。
Yeah.
别人一说‘BioBreak’，你肯定往最糟的方面想。
Feel like if someone says BioBreak, you assume the worst.
那我下次试试看。
Well, I'll test this next time.
开会到一半，我直接站起来走人，一分钟后再回来，说声‘抱歉’。
During the middle of my team meeting, I'll just get up and leave, and I'll come back one minute later and be like, sorry.
刚去上厕所了。
Was in the bathroom.
但问题是这样
But the thing is like
为你的小休息道个歉呗。
apologize for your bio break.
我开团队会议时，总是去办公室开。
For my team meetings, always go into the office for them.
我就在想，要是我突然站起来走出去……
So I'm just like imagining like me suddenly getting up and leaving.
是不是挺吓人的，你知道吧？
Kind of shocking, you know?
搞得像我生气冲出去了一样。
It seems like I stormed out in anger or something.
天哪，我觉得大家只会以为你是去上厕所吧。
Oh my gosh, I mean I don't thinkI think people would just assume you're going to the restroom.
还能有啥别的原因？
Like what other reason?
我也不知道。
I don't know.
说得明白点，我就是气冲冲地摔门走人，行了吧？
Just so it's clear, I'm storming out angrily, okay?
你就是那种‘砰’地一声把门摔上的人。
You like slam the door on Yeah.
你那套做法。
Your way
对。
Yeah.
我觉得在家办公时上厕所方便多了。
Because I think using the bathroom when you're remote is a lot easier.
我直接关摄像头、静音，去一趟厕所，再回来就行。
I just turn the camera off, mute, and then go to the bathroom, then come back.
啥事都没有。
Like, nothing happened.
但当大家都在会议室里看着你，你突然站起来就走，我真觉得：天啊，别看我。
But when everyone's seeing you in a meeting room and you just suddenly get up and leave, I'm like, oh god, don't look at me.
你这么做的时候，确实会被人注意到。
You do have to be perceived, you know, when you do that.
不过我一般只在大会议时才这么做，比如会议室里有二十来号人的时候。
But I've only really done that during bigger meetings, I guess, where there's maybe like 20 people in a meeting room.
那样的话，感觉没那么吓人。
So it's a little bit less scary.
是的。
Yeah.
我想我所有的会议都是线上开的。
I guess all my meetings are remote.
我基本就在家办公。
I only really work from home.
所以我的会议文化要轻松多了。
And so my meeting culture is a lot easier to deal with.
不过除了这种大会议，我觉得一对一的小会其实最让人纠结，也最容易——因为有时候我总觉得得拼命填满那些沉默的空档。
Well, aside from like these bigger meetings, I feel like low key one on one meetings are both the hardest and the easiest because to me, sometimes it's the hardest because I feel like I have to fill up the empty space or time a lot more.
但另一方面，它又最容易收尾，感觉说完正事就能赶紧结束。
But it's also the easiest because I feel like it's easier to wrap up sometimes.
我老觉得自己哪儿不对劲，每次跟我的上级或老板开会，我总是十五分钟内就开完、结束。
I feel like I'm doing things wrong because whenever I have a meeting with my Skip or my boss, I always start and end the meeting within fifteen minutes.
我们从来不会把三十分钟的预约用满。
We never take up the full thirty minutes.
搞得后来我都把跟上级的会直接改成了十五分钟甚至十分钟，实在不想——天哪，太尴尬了。
And it got so bad that I changed my meeting with my Skip into a fifteen or ten minute meeting because I didn't want- I was like, damn.
明明十分钟就聊完了，干嘛还占她一整个半小时的档期啊？
I can't just take up a whole extra fifteen minutes of her time on her calendar when we wrap things up in, like, ten minutes.
所以我很好奇，你们都是怎么把三十分钟的会撑满的？到底聊些啥？
So I'm curious to know if you all run your meetings for the full thirty minutes, like, what do you talk about?
聊生活啊，兄弟。
It's about life, dog.
我的一对一会议通常都是和产品经理、我的经理，或者任何被我拉来开会的人。
I will say my one on ones are usually with the PM, my manager, anyone else that I trap into a meeting.
比如我经理，每次开会她后面都有事，一开头就会说：嘿。
My manager, for instance, every time we have a meeting and she's, like, legit busy afterwards, then she'll state in the very beginning, like, hey.
Jimmy，你别指望我们能闲聊太久。
Just so you know, Jimmy, we can't chitchat for that long.
等等，说的不是我。
Wait, it's me.
我刚想说——
Wait, I was just about
我正要说那是Jisoo。
to say that's Jisoo.
对。
Yeah.
我们一般就这么办。
And like, we'll, we'll usually do it.
所以她每次开会都迟到三分钟，因为我们总得聊完，而最后喊停的总是我。
This is why she's probably three minutes late to everything because we'll still go over and then I'm the one that stops the meeting.
我注意到都超了三分钟了，就赶紧说：‘嘿，经理，等等。’
Like I noticed it's like three minutes over and I'm like, hold up, manager.
你不是马上还有个会吗？
Don't you have like a meeting right now?
她就会说：‘哎呀，糟了。’
Something like, oh shoot.
是的。
Yeah.
不好意思。
Sorry.
然后她就赶紧溜了。
There she will go.
不过说实话，我们平时确实聊得挺多的。
But yeah, usually we just chitchat a lot.
我每周都会和我的导师还有经理一起进行一小时的电视会议。
So I actually do an hour long TV with my mentor and also with my manager and it's weekly.
如果要分一下的话，大概十五到二十分钟是闲聊，毕竟一小时呢，对吧？
If I have to like divide it up, it's maybe like fifteen, twenty minutes of chitchat because it's an hour long, right?
剩下的时间主要是工作相关的问题，有时候我会问一些职业发展的事，比如我该怎么才能升职，或者你希望我接手哪些项目之类的。
The rest is like work questions or sometimes I'll have like career questions of like, you know, logistical stuff like what do I need to do to get promoted or, you know, what are some projects that you want me to work on?
就是这类问题。
Things like that.
我觉得自己总是有很多工作上的问题要问，所以基本把时间都占满了。
So I feel like I always have a lot of questions to ask about work and then that fills up like most of the time.
就算不是提问，也会有很多项目进展的汇报，比如我最近做了哪些事，你还有没有别的任务可以交给我？
Even if it's not questions, like it's a lot of status updates too on like projects of like, here's all the stuff that I did, you know, is there anything else that you need me to take on?
就是对项目进展做个总结之类的。
Just like a summary of what I did behind the projects and whatnot.
所以我觉得每次都有挺多内容可聊的。
So I feel like there's always a good amount to talk about.
但这就得花掉四十五分钟了。
But that takes like forty five minutes.
问题真不少。
Lot of questions.
那更新呢？
How about of updates?
如果我正在做一个项目，得确认我用的财务模型对不对，这可不是非黑即白的问题，对吧？
If I'm like working on one project and I need to like validate the financial model I'm using or something, it's not like a true false question, right?
得先说背景、变量、一大堆细节，等等。
It's like, oh, here's like the background, here's the variables I'm using, blah, blah, blah.
所以我觉得，每件事都得聊上十分钟左右。
So then I feel like that, like each thing takes like ten minutes.
要是我有五六个临时找你讨论的事，那时间就挺可观了。
And if I'm having like five or six ad hocs, that's like a good chunk already.
光是说一句‘你能看到我的屏幕吗？’就得花五分钟。
It takes five minutes to be like, can you see my screen?
老兄，咱们现在来角色扮演一下吧？
Dude, can we do some role play right now?
我能问你几个问题吗？
Can can can I ask you some questions?
然后你来回答。
And then you can answer
就当是在开一对一的会议。
them as if you're in a meeting a one on one.
我想亲眼看看实际是怎么操作的。
I need to see this in action.
行啊。
Alright.
我先来一下。
Let me just go ahead
吉米把摄像头关了，还静音了。
and Jimmy turned his camera off and mute it.
大家这一周过得怎么样？
So everyone, how's your week going?
还不错。
Good.
我这边挺好的。
It's going good.
别忘了网络延迟的事。
Account for the lag.
那咱们先从Jisoo开始吧。
Alright, well let's start off with Jisoo.
说说你这周的项目进展如何。
Let me know how your projects are going this week.
对。
Yeah.
这周我主要在处理销售团队丢过来的那些临时需求。
So this week I've been really focusing on tackling a lot of like ad hoc requests that have come in from the sales team.
所以有个人提了个需求，我就一直在处理这个；然后另一个人又提了个请求，逼得我不得不去系统A里翻来翻去找数据。
So this person sent in this, I've been working on this And then this other person sent in this request and that really required me to, like, go into system a to, like, dig up stuff.
结果我发现系统A里根本没有变量B。
And I realized that system a doesn't have variable b.
没办法，我又得跑去系统B，把数据拉出来，跟那边的合并起来，才能继续做财务模型A。
So then I had to go into system B and then like merge the data together to work on financial model A.
所以这周我就主要在干这个。
So that's what I've been focusing on.
Sandra，等会儿我有几个问题想跟你一起碰一碰。
I have some questions for you after, Sandra, if we could like dive into it together.
不过大致就是这样了。
But, that's mostly it.
天哪。
Woah.
咱们先别演了，说点正经的。
Off the off the role play for a second.
是的
Yeah.
哇
Wow.
你讲得也太细了吧
You give so many details.
我是不是也该把这招加进我的技能库
Maybe I should add that to my repertoire.
等一下
Wait.
吉米那边虽然静音了，但还在给我发消息
Jimmy's still having his raw muted is sending me.
好
Alright.
咱们继续角色扮演
Back to the role play.
好的。
Okay.
哦，这听起来真不错，Jisoo。
Oh, that sounds really good, Jisoo.
是的。
Yeah.
我们之后可以联系一下。
We could connect afterwards.
给我发个消息就行，或者私下约，也可以直接帮我排个时间。
Just shoot me a ping or we could connect offline or put some time in my calendar.
好的，Jimmy。
Alright, Jimmy.
你呢？
How about you?
这周有什么新进展吗？
Any any updates for this week?
没什么更新。
No updates.
连句谢谢都没有。
Not even a thank
挺现实的。
realistic.
一点更新都没有，这也太离谱了吧。
No updates is crazy.
天哪。
Oh my god.
好吧。
Okay.
我明白了。
I see now.
Jisoo，你给的信息特别棒，还特别有意思。
Jisoo, you give very good and, like, exciting detail.
说来也巧，你这么一说，我倒是想起来，每次我们团队站会啥的，我总觉得我话最少。
Well, it's funny that you say that because when we do, like, our, like, team stand up or whatever, I feel like I talk the least.
哇，真的吗。
Oh, wow.
我一直觉得自己讲得挺克制的，也不是特别简短，就是可能没啥好说的吧。
I always felt like I was giving really I don't know, not brief, but maybe I just didn't have a lot to talk about or something.
你居然说我说得多，我简直震惊了。
I'm shocked that you're like, Oh, you say so much.
老兄，我中间插那么一两句，不就是夹在你和吉秀之间嘛。
Dude, I say I say something between Jimmy and you.
这简直就是黑白分明。
It's like black and white.
吉秀，你说话的时候，我真有点被镇住了。
When you were going, Jisoo, I felt intimidated.
我当时心里就一句：卧槽？
I felt What the fuck?
我关了摄像头，感觉自己像个摸鱼的。
I felt like a a slacker with my camera off.
天哪。
Oh, dude.
是啊。
Yeah.
对啊。
Yeah.
我的意思是，只有我有进展的时候才说。
I mean, this is only when I have updates.
有时候我真没啥可报的。
Like, sometimes I don't have an update.
所以我就干脆说：我这边没啥进展。
So I'll just be like, I don't I don't have much
可说的。
to say.
等等。
Wait.
所以你要是没啥进展，还得跟老板开一小时会，你就只能干巴巴说一句‘最近没啥事’？
So if you have no updates and you have an hour long meeting with your manager, are you just like, oh, like, not much is going on.
那今天这会能早点结束吗？
We can end early today?
你记得咱们刚开的那个小组站会吗？
You know how we just did, like, a group stand up?
对。
Yeah.
但在我的一对一会上，我会说得更细。
Like in my one on one, I go even more in-depth.
我们真的会一项一项过我的项目，我还会说：‘你看看这个，我在这份报告里加了点新东西。’
Like we fucking like go through my projects and I'm like, can you like look at these or like, here's the thing that I added to this type of report.
你觉得这个有用吗？
Like, do you think this would be useful?
我会提一些建议，或者吧，我也说不准。
I'll make recommendations or like, I don't know.
挺有意思的。
Interesting.
我觉得我基本上每次都把一小时用满。
I think I almost always do take the full hour.
不过有时候我们半小时就结束了，然后说，下次再补上。
Although there are times where we'll only end in like thirty minutes and we'll be like, we'll catch up next time.
明白了。
Okay.
我觉得吧，嗯……
I feel like okay.
因为我和经理的团队汇报内容其实差不多，我都觉得昨天团队会上该说的都说了，所以我的更新通常就一句话：项目A进展不错，按计划走。
Because my, like, team meeting updates are very similar with my manager because I'm like, oh, I said, like, everything I really needed to say yesterday at our team So my updates go something like, Yeah, I have like project A and it's going well, it's on track.
项目B也挺好的。
Project B is also looking good.
利益相关者对这个挺兴奋的。
The stakeholder is pretty excited about it.
还有项目C，我们刚收尾，他们特别满意。
And project C we just wrapped up and they're really happy about it.
有意思。
Interesting.
我觉得我现在这些一对一会议，更多是在学习、试着理解，或者承担更多责任。
I guess I see my TBs as like I mean, now I'm kind of more so learning or like trying to understand or like take on more responsibilities.
所以我觉得这占了很大一部分。
So I think that's a big part of it.
但以前我当经理的时候，每周一对一都是和我老板——他可是副总裁——聊的。
But in my past life, because I was at a managerial role, I was having TBs with my boss who was like a VP, right?
我得让他知道我掌握的信息，这样他在跟高层开会时，才能讲清楚我们团队在做什么。
I needed my VP to know stuff that I knew so that in his meetings with leadership, he could like talk about the things that our team was doing.
所以那时候，每次一对一也得花挺长时间。
So then I think that in itself like took a long time too.
我没什么可汇报的时候，通常就是那几周我偷懒了，因为以我的性格，只要做了点啥，我肯定跟你讲。
The only times where I didn't have a ton to update on was like weeks where I was like really slacking or something because I feel like with my personality, if I did something like I'll tell you about it.
所以我要是没啥更新，那可能这周真没干啥。
So if I don't have updates, then maybe I didn't do much that week.
这就是我开会有自己的方式。
Just the way I approach meetings.
我明白了。
I see.
原来如此。
I see.
你呢，吉米？
How about you, Jimmy?
你跟你经理聊项目的时候，是聊得很细，还是像我这样，就简单说一句‘都挺好，按计划走’？
Do you, like, go in-depth into your projects with your manager or are you just kind of like me or like, alright, yeah, these are going well, on track?
我其实就那么几个特别在意的项目，才会深入聊一聊。
There's like a handful of projects I actually care about and I'll go like in-depth on it.
但大多数时候，其实他们早就知道进展如何了。
But most of the time, yeah, the updates, they already know what's going on.
对。
Mhmm.
尤其是他们主动问更新的时候，多半已经看过邮件往来，或者我们本来就在聊这事。
Especially if they're like asking for an update, then they're probably already, like, you know, either tagged in the email thread or, you know, we're already talking about it.
除了那些一对一的沟通，我们一般就简单问一句：你有空聊聊这个吗？
Aside from our one zero one, we're just like, hey, do you have time to chat about this?
这种情况下，其实没必要专门汇报进展。
For those, usually, an update isn't really necessary.
不过对我负责的项目，我还是会跟她说说，比如那个业务单元最近怎么样，有什么新动态之类的。
But, yeah, I guess for my projects, I'll have updates, and I'll let her know, like, how that business unit is doing, the latest news and whatnot.
我还会给她看我做的演示文稿，里面全都有答案。
And then also, I'll I'll be like, look at look at the deck that I made, and then you'll have all your answer.
你要是想参加，随时欢迎来开会。
You're invited to the meeting if you wanna join.
是的
Yeah.
我觉得可能也跟我小团队的结构有关，因为我们有个项目追踪器，所有人都能看得到。
I guess maybe it's also, like, the way my my smaller team is structured because we have this project tracker that everyone can see.
我经理能看到所有进来的工作，然后她来分配任务之类的。
And my manager sees everything that comes in and then she assigns it and stuff.
所以你能看到的描述，跟我看到的一模一样。
So it's like, you can see the same description that I see.
根本没什么好问的。
So there's no questions.
一切都明明白白的。
Everything is pretty straightforward.
我就是按部就班地在推进。
I'm working through it kinda thing.
但我总觉得，与其这么快搞定，不如多花点时间打磨一下。
But I feel like I want to take up more time instead of, like, finishing it so quickly.
因为有时候我会想，说不定我根本就没在这人的一天里留下任何痕迹。
Because sometimes the thought is almost like, oh, maybe I, like, don't even leave an impression in this person's day.
天哪。
Damn.
吉米的心都碎了。
It just broke Jimmy's heart.
我亲眼看见他心碎的样子。
I visibly saw it break.
有时候我就在想，他们根本不知道我在忙啥，因为我讲得太快太简单了。
Because sometimes my thought is like, they have no idea what I'm working on because I described it so quickly and simply.
所以与其匆匆带过、跳过我，不如多花点时间讲清楚，这样我反而觉得更投入了，好像这事跟我关系更大了，更想知道它到底能不能成。
And so instead of describing something so quickly and like, skip over me quickly, it's like a, oh, I feel like I understand more of what's happening here, so I feel almost like I have a bigger stake in knowing if this thing goes to completion or whatever.
说真的，你永远说不准，因为跟你俩聊天的时候，我觉得咱们俩的开会理念其实处在同一个光谱上。
I mean, you never know because as I'm talking to you guys, I feel like we're on like a spectrum of like our meeting philosophies.
我知道外面肯定有高管，一想到这都得崩溃。
I know there's execs out there who are like, my god.
还好这个人占的会议时间不多，我日程本来就排得满满的。
Thank god this person is taking up like an efficient amount of time in my meeting schedule that's already so busy.
我觉得中间肯定有个平衡点：我砍掉一些会，你稍微加点，Jimmy把摄像头打开，咱们刚好在维恩图的交集处碰上，皆大欢喜。
So I feel like there's a happy medium in here somewhere of like, I cut down my meetings and then you like inflate yours a little bit and like Jimmy turns his camera on or something and we like all happily meet somewhere in the middle of the Venn diagram.
但说实话，简洁明了本身真不是啥坏事。
But you know, I think being brief and like concise isn't inherently like a bad thing.
但愿如此。
Hopefully.
我觉得只要活儿干完了就行。
I think as long as you get the job done.
说到这个，Jisoo让我想起个搞笑的事儿——我有个固定的产品复盘会，特别频繁。
I mean, Jisoo said actually reminds me of like a funny story where I have product watch, which is, a really regular thing for me.
每次我都得做个PPT。
I have to make a deck for it.
以前是每两周一次。
It used to be every two weeks.
现在改成每月一次了。
Now it's every month.
结果有一个月我彻底忘了准备这个东西。
And then one month, I just forgot to do it.
距离开会只剩一小时的时候，我才急急忙忙赶工。
And like an hour before the meeting, I was trying like really hard to like do it.
我得汇报两个业务单元的情况，当时根本赶不及准备完。
I was only able, it's like two business units that I have to report on.
但当时我只能梳理完一个业务单元的内容。
And I was only able to do one business unit.
我记得那次会上我特意点了几个人发言，就是那种平时很能拖时间的人。
And I remember specifically in that meeting, I called on people that I knew took a lot of time.
我就会主动喊他们：‘比尔，你对这个怎么看？’
And so I would, like, call them and be like, what do think about this, Bill?
你这一喊，直接就能耗掉二十分钟，可太懂了。
You're like, that's twenty minutes right there.
是的。
Yeah.
我就说：‘对，Bill，继续说。’
I was like, yes, Bill.
你接着说。
Keep going.
你就会说：‘哎，你能再详细说说吗？’
You're like, oh, could you elaborate on that?
我根本没听清你刚才说的那部分，天哪。
I didn't quite get the the part that you just Oh my god.
我的意思是，希望没太明显，毕竟Bill在说的时候，我知道Ryan肯定有疑问。
I mean, hopefully, it wasn't that obvious because it's, like, Bill would be talking and then Ryan, I know he has questions about it.
对吧？
Right?
所以我就说：‘Ryan，你怎么看？’
And so, like, Ryan, what what do you think about that?
结果我们连第一个业务单元都没讲完。
And then we didn't even get through the first business unit.
我当时心想：谢天谢地。
And I was like, oh, thank god.
这太搞笑了。
That is so funny.
那是我第一次开会完，压根没说‘待会儿我把PPT发给你们’这种话，你知道吧？
It was the first time after the meeting where I specifically didn't say, okay, I'll send the slide deck to you guys afterwards, you know?
但这招真绝了。
That's genius though.
感觉还挺舒服的。
It was pretty nice.
顺便说一句，都是那些总监。
It's the directors, by the way.
总监们通常特别爱说。
The the directors usually like talking a lot.
我发现每次我主持会议，他们总盯着某一件事不放，恨不得把整个时间都花在上面，你懂的？
I noticed whenever I'm leading these meetings, they always latch onto one thing and then they just wanna spend the entire time talking about it, you know?
老兄，没错，我也注意到了。
Dude, yes, I've noticed that too.
就是某个数字啊，或者某个百分比。
It's like this one number or like this one percentage.
他们老问：这数据你从哪儿来的？
They're like, where did you get this number?
结果一眨眼，这个问题就能拖成个三十分钟的会。
And then suddenly that question becomes like a thirty minute meeting.
对啊。
Yeah.
完全就是这么回事。
The whole entire exactly.
所以你要是没讲完幻灯片，就故意塞个炸裂的数字进去，保证能引爆全场，你懂的。
So you just, like, slip if if you don't finish your slides, you know, then just, like, slip in, like, some inflammatory number that, you know, is gonna get everyone stirred up.
这才是真正管用的职场技巧。
Here are the real workplace tips.
这招儿我喜欢。
I like the strategy.
对。
Yeah.
这个月，负面客户反馈突然多了起来。
This month, we've had very like, an uptick in negative VOCs.
他们都说：天哪。
They're like, oh, shit.
他们说：我听说情况不太妙。
They're like, I heard negative.
比如，基因泰克那边对这事特别不满。
Like, yeah, Genentech was really upset about this.
我当时就愣了。
And I'm like, oh.
说这些事儿还挺有意思的，毕竟会议里经常发生些不太愉快的事儿。
Well, it's so funny to talk through this kind of stuff because these are things that happen in a meeting that aren't always positive.
比如有人拿个数字就瞎扯一通，占了整个会的时间，或者自己根本没准备好就来开会。
For example, someone taking one number, running with it, and taking up, like, your entire meeting time or not feeling like you're super prepared for a meeting.
但跟你们聊完，我才意识到，这些会议里的糟心事，其实也能变成我们的优势。
But I think talking to you guys, it makes me realize that we can use these things that happen in meetings to our benefit and to our advantage.
谢谢吉米和克莉丝特尔，今天陪我聊了这么多关于会议文化和礼仪的事儿。
So thank you, Jimmy and Crystal for talking through some of the meeting culture and meeting etiquette things with me today.
各位听众要是有什么开会的小妙招，
For any of our listeners out there, if you have meeting tips and tricks
杰米又把摄像头关了，这会儿快结束了。
Jamie just turned his cam off again for the ending of this meeting.
我就等着他在聊天框里发句‘谢谢’呢。
I'm just waiting for him to say something in the chat like thank you.
如果你有什么开会的窍门或者习惯，随时来找我们聊聊。
But if you have meeting tips and tricks or any sort of meeting habit that you might have then feel free to hit us up.
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We upload new episodes every other Wednesday morning.
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Thanks for listening.
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And don't forget eat your crust.
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