工作出行

就是深夜接着一大早。

It's just, like, late night and then early morning.

但有时候，活动还在进行时，大家晚上分散开来反而更轻松或更快捷。

But sometimes it's easier or quicker for everyone to disperse at night as the event is still happening.

然后就像你说的，最后一天或最后一个晚上，我们才觉得：哦，终于结束了。

And then kind of like what you said, the last day or last night is when we're like, oh, we're done.

太好了。

Yay.

然后我们可能真的会再待得晚一点。

And then we actually maybe stay out a little later.

我明白了。

I see.

是的。

Yeah.

我想，如果你是主办团队或协助举办活动，压力是不一样的。

I guess, like, the pressure is different if you're the team hosting or, like, helping throw an event.

我一直以来都是作为听众参加这些讲座。

I've always been on the side of receiving the sessions.

你知道的，有人在给我做讲座。

You know, like, someone is presenting the sessions to me.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我从来没有觉得，天啊。

So I've never felt, oh my god.

结束了。

It's over.

来庆祝一下吧。

Like, let's celebrate.

更多只是觉得，我们明天就要回家了。

It's more of just like, we're about to go home tomorrow.

不过我很好奇，如果你在庆祝自己主办的活动结束，那么庆祝活动可能会很盛大、非常开心，我觉得这往往意味着会喝很多酒。

I am curious though because if you're celebrating the event that you're hosting being over, then the celebrations could be big and very happy, which I feel like sometimes means a lot of drinking.

在我迄今为止的三次出差中，我见过一些人变得非常疯狂。

On my three work trips that I've ever been on, I've seen some people get really, really crazy.

你在出差时也经常看到这种情况吗？

Is that something that you commonly see on your work trips as well?

没有。

No.

完全不是这样。

Not at all, actually.

真的吗？

Really?

我的团队整体和个人都不怎么喝酒。

My team doesn't drink that much as a whole and as individuals.

我的团队实际上非常负责任。

My team actually is very responsible.

我特别注意到这一点，因为有一次我们早期的出差中，我的团队知道我喜欢葡萄酒，所以经常让我选一瓶酒。

I really noticed this because, like, one of the earlier work trips that we went on, my team knows that I'm into wine, so they often let me choose the bottle of wine Mhmm.

为了

To

点晚餐。

order for dinner.

我觉得这酒太好喝了。

I'm like, oh, this wine is so good.

于是我一边喝一边倒了第二杯之类的。

So I'm like drinking it and pouring like second glass or whatever.

当我喝到第二杯时，环顾四周，发现每个人的第一杯还基本没动。

And then I'm like on my second glass and I look around and everyone's first glass is still like full.

我当时就想，也许我该慢点喝了。

And I'm like, oh, maybe I should slow down.

显然，我们喝酒的速度比我想象的要慢得多。

Clearly, we are drinking at much slower pace than I realized.

是的。

Yeah.

我猜如果你的团队不太喝酒，而且你在出差时经常接触的主要是你的直属团队，那么看到人们特别放纵的可能性就比较小。

I guess if your team is not big drinkers and most of the people that you interact with on your work trips are, like, your immediate team, it's probably, like, a smaller chance to see people really rowdy.

是的。

Yeah.

说真的，我可能是喝得最多的一个。

If anything, I probably get the most drunk.

你就是觉得总得有人来带头吧。

You're like, someone's gotta do it.

但接着我想，如果别人都很克制、很负责，那我也得跟上这个氛围。

But then I'm like, if everyone else is very controlled and responsible, I must match the vibe.

所以我尽量不喝得太醉。

So I try not to get too fucked up.

有道理。

Makes sense.

对。

Yeah.

我的意思是，我每次出差都会听说有人昨晚有点疯了的故事。

I mean, I think, like, every work trip that I've been on, I've heard of stories of like, oh, this person got a little crazy last night.

我觉得这特别好笑。

And I always find it so funny.

我无法想象第二天早上醒来，看到同事发来的Slack消息。

I can't imagine waking up the next morning to like maybe Slack messages or something from your coworkers.

嘿。

Hey.

只是关心一下。

Just checking in.

你还好吗？

Are you okay?

天哪。

Oh my god.

所以每次出差时，我都会尽量控制节奏，早点走。

So then when I'm on work trips, always try to like pace myself, leave early Mhmm.

别成为那个总被人关心的同事，

Not be that one coworker that's, like, getting checked on,

你知道的。

you know?

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得这样可能更好，因为就像你说的，成为那个失控或行为过界的同事，会毁掉你的声誉，

I think it's probably also better this way just because, like you said, being that one coworker who's, like, a mess or like really went over the line is kind of a reputation killer,

我觉得是这样。

I think.

哦，对。

Oh, yeah.

完全没错。

Totally.

而且你还得为接下来的几天留点余地。

And then also, like, you still need to survive for the next days.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为这就是让我保持自律的原因。

I think that's what keeps me, in line.

但有一次，我喝得比应该的要多一些，不过也没多严重，只是第二天早上有点宿醉。

But there was one time where I felt like I got a little more drunk than I should have, but it wasn't bad or anything, but it was more just like the next morning I was a little hungover.

心想：糟了。

Was like, oh, shit.

不能这样做了，因为我们还有工作要完成。

Can't be doing that because we have work to do.

我要说，出差的一个好处是所有开销都由公司承担。

I will say one of the perks of being on a work trip is that all expenses are paid for.

所以就是从头到尾，你知道的？

So it's like the line to toe, you know?

我想好好享受和放纵一下，因为一切都是免费的，但必须在事情变得有点失控之前收住。

It's like, I wanna kind of enjoy and indulge because everything is free, but have to cut off before things get a little crazy.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

That's true.

我们的政策是，桌上有最高级别的人买单。

Our policy is, like, the the highest level person at the table pays.

嗯。

Mhmm.

如果你一个人，就会有消费上限。

And then, like, if you're just by yourself, you have a cap.

哦，我明白了。

Oh, I see.

通常参加公司活动时，我都和团队在一起。

Usually for work events, I'm out with my team.

所以我不用操心账单和开销。

So, like, I don't have to deal with the charges and expenses.

但同时，我觉得这也让我自己保持自律，你知道的，因为大家都非常负责任。

But then also, I feel like that helps me stay in line too, you know, because they're all very responsible.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我想再回过头聊聊工作出差时与同事互动这个话题。

So I kinda wanna circle back to, like, this concept of interacting with coworkers during a work trip.

就像我们之前说的，会议很重要，晚餐也很重要，但我觉得出差期间一些共同相处的时光其实存在于这些大型活动之间的灰色地带。

Like we talked about sessions are a big thing, dinners are a big thing, but I think some of the together time on a work trip actually exists in the gray area between these big, like, blocks.

嗯。

Mhmm.

其中一点是，有时候在出差时，人们可能会住在一起。

And one of it is sometimes on work trips, I think people can have roommates.

你有经历过这种情况吗？

So is this something you've experienced?

如果没有，如果公司告诉你，这次出差你要和同事合住，你会有什么感受？

And if not, how would you feel if your workplace was like, yeah, you're gonna room with your coworker for this trip?

天哪。

Oh my god.

我幸运地从未经历过这种情况，但我知道我以前的公司曾经这么安排过。

I luckily have never had to experience this, but I know in the past my company has done it before.

我最近参加了一个活动。

So I recently went to an event.

这是自新冠疫情以来我们第一次再次举办这个活动。

This was, like, the first time we had it again since COVID.

嗯。

Mhmm.

在新冠疫情之前，我们举办这个活动时，大家都是合住的。

And before COVID, when we had this event, people had roommates.

哦，天啊。

Oh, god.

是的。

Yeah.

还有一次，我去洛杉矶帮别人拍摄外勤活动的照片，那次活动也安排了合住室友。

Also, one time I went to LA to help take photos for someone else's off-site, and they had roommates for that event.

我当时想，天啊。

And I was like, oh my god.

于是我给负责招聘我来拍照的经理发了消息。

So I messaged the manager who, I guess, hired me to take photos.

我问她：这次旅行我会和别人合住吗？

And I was like, am I gonna have a roommate on this trip?

她回答：哦，不会的。

And she was like, oh, no.

别担心。

Don't worry.

我们没给你安排室友。

We didn't give you roommate.

因为，你在这个团队里谁都不认识。

Because, like, you don't know anyone in this org.

所以我就

So I

我当时想，太好了，谢天谢地。

was like, oh, thank god.

所以我差点就得亲身体验一下了。

So I almost had to experience it.

哦，天哪。

Oh, god.

对我来说，类似的情况是，我从未在出差时需要和别人合住。

I think similarly for me, I've also never had to have a roommate on a work trip.

但我听说过一些传闻，说几年前我们确实有过合住室友的情况。

But I have heard rumors of like, oh, a couple years ago, we did have roommates.

或者我觉得有时候是这样的情况，比如主办团队

Or I think sometimes it's the case where, like, the hosting team

是的。

Mhmm.

那个团队或者那个部门可能会有合住室友，但被邀请参加这些行程的一些支持团队却不必合住，你懂我的意思吧。

That group or that org may have roommates, but then some of the supporting teams that are invited on these trips are not forced to have roommates, if that makes sense.

所以我就想，太好了。

So then I'm like, thank god.

但我要说，我不确定自己会不会特别介意和别人合住，因为有时候我觉得自己一个人去参加活动或者去吃饭会有点尴尬。

But I will say, like, I don't know if I would necessarily mind that much to have a roommate because sometimes I feel like semi awkward walking to a session or like walking to dinner by myself or something.

我通常会发消息给我比较亲近的同事，问他们要不要一起走，路上可以聊聊天。

And I usually like to text one of my closer coworkers like, hey, you guys wanna walk together just so we can like chat on the way there.

所以我想，如果我们住在一起，就不用特意安排这个了。

So I was like, I guess if we room together, we wouldn't have to arrange that.

你知道的？

You know?

我们可以一直一起走。

We could just, like, always go together.

好的。

Okay.

我有个问题。

I have a question.

在工作中，如果你一个人吃午饭，会感到不舒服吗？

At work, do you feel uncomfortable if you're, like, eating lunch alone?

我想我已经有段时间没一个人吃午饭了。

I guess I haven't eaten lunch by myself in a while.

但我更喜欢和一群人一起吃。

But, yeah, I would prefer to eat with a group of people.

我觉得我和你有点不一样，因为我一个人走路完全没问题，甚至更喜欢在这些活动和用餐时独处。

I think I'm a little different from you because I am totally fine walking by myself, and I almost prefer it to, like, be alone for these events, for meals.

因为我会想，天哪。

Because I'm like, oh my god.

这简直就是安静时光。

This is, like, quiet time.

我不必开口跟人说话。

I don't have to open my mouth and, like, talk to people.

等等。

Wait.

但我认为这也取决于公司的规模。

But I think it's also, like, dependent on the size of the company.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

比如，在大公司、大型活动之类的场合，会多一点匿名性。

Like, there's a little bit more anonymity in, like, a bigger company or, like, a bigger event or something.

但假设你去出差，那里几乎每个人你都认识，你知道吧？

But say you're on, like, a work trip where you know almost every single person there, You know?

那样的话，我自己吃饭或独自走路就会感觉更不舒服。

Like, then I would feel more uncomfortable eating by myself or, like, walking by myself.

是的

Yeah.

我能理解。

I can see that.

对

Yeah.

老兄，但室友这种情况，我不确定。

Dude, but, like, the roommate situation, I don't know.

我不知道自己能不能做到。

I don't know if I can do it.

抱歉，这可能有点恶心，但你就想想，如果你急着上厕所，而室友就在房间里怎么办？

Sorry, this might be gross, but like, just think about what if you had to like, poop really badly and your roommate is just in the room.

天啊。

Oh god.

好吧，没错，确实如此。

Okay, yeah, that's true.

共享浴室的后勤安排确实很麻烦。

The logistics of sharing a bathroom does suck.

还有睡眠习惯。

And I guess sleeping habits.

我是个打呼噜的人，所以和我一起睡的人就得忍受这个。

I like am a snorer, so I guess the person I'm sleeping with would be subject to that.

这确实有点烦人。

That does kinda suck.

但这是世界上最糟糕的事情吗？

But it would like, would it be the worst thing in the world?

就我个人而言，我觉得我会很难受。

I personally, I think I would suffer.

因为一天的活动结束后，回到房间也是宝贵的独处时间。

Because when you're in your room after the day of the events, that's also like precious alone time.

放松一下，你知道的，睡觉。

Winding down, you know, sleeping.

还有，早上醒来的时候，你可能一脸凌乱，但你得把自己收拾好。

And then also, maybe in the morning when you wake up, you're a bit of a mess, but you have to, like, you know, put yourself back together.

但你准备好让你的同事看到你

But are you ready for your coworker to see you

这样子吗？

like that?

好吧。

Okay.

这确实没错。

That is true.

这肯定不是理想的安排。

It definitely wouldn't be the preferred setup.

是的。

Yeah.

但我只是在想，被迫和室友住在一起，其实也有很多好处。

But I guess I'm just thinking that there's, like, many perks that come with being forced to have a roommate.

确实如此。

That is true.

比如，你随时随地都会有个伴。

Like, you'll always have a companion everywhere.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

老兄，我现在只是在想象，以前电影里常有女孩在男生早上醒来前化妆，好让他觉得她一直都很完美。

Dude, now I'm just imagining it would happen in movies before where a girl would put on makeup before the guy wakes up in the morning so that he thinks she looks perfect all the time.

这就像我想象中在工作时有个室友会是怎样的情景。

That's like how I imagine having a roommate at work would be like.

你是在睡前涂睫毛膏，好让同事看不到你素颜的样子吗？

You like put on mascara before bed so that your coworker doesn't see you with a bare face.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

That's true.

说实话，有时候出差参加完社交活动后，我会独自走回房间，关上门，长长地松一口气。

Honestly, sometimes on a work trip after like the social events, I'll like walk back to my room, close the door, and I'll be like, you know, like big sigh of relief.

哦，谢天谢地。

Like, oh, thank god.

我总算熬过这一天了，一切都结束了。

I survived this day and it's all over.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我想你会错过这种感觉。

So I guess you would be deprived of

那种感觉。

that.

嗯。

Mhmm.

现在有没有哪位同事，是你觉得可以和他合住的？

Is there any coworker right now who you could see yourself rooming with?

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得确实有一些同事，如果和他们一起住，我觉得应该没问题。

I think I do have some coworkers who were I'm like, I think this would be fine if we, like, room together.

但你知道，这属于那种我只是有个假设的情况。

But, you know, it is one of those things where that's like my hypothesis.

对吧？

Right?

比如，我相信我和这位同事一起住会没问题。

Like, I believe that me and this coworker would be fine.

但当你真的住在一起时，你永远不知道结果会怎样。

But when you actually room together, you never know how it'll turn out.

所以也许这一切都只是我脑子里的想法。

So then maybe it's just all in my head.

比如，哦，我相信会没问题的。

Like, oh, I'm sure it'll be okay.

我在想，有没有哪位同事会是我不错的室友。

I'm trying to think if there's any coworkers that would be good roommates for me.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

但这有点困难，因为我的团队里有很多早睡的人。

But it is a little difficult because I do have a lot of early sleepers in my team.

哦，是啊。

Oh, yeah.

我们的作息时间对不上。

Our our timelines would not match up.

你需要一个作息像水晶一样精准的人。

You need the person who's on crystal time.

是的。

Yeah.

类似但又不太一样的是，我觉得和一个不是同事的人一起出差住在一起。

On a similar vein, but slightly different is, I think, having a roommate on a work trip, but your roommate is not a coworker.

比如，你被邀请去另一个城市出差，然后你带上了你的伴侣。

As in, say, you got invited to go on a work trip at a different city and then you brought your SO with you.

我认为这也是一种非常独特的体验，因为某种程度上，你虽然在出差，但还得陪着伴侣玩乐。

I think that is also a very unique experience because in a sense, you're on this work trip, but then you kind of also have to entertain your SO.

你知道的。

You know?

是的。

Yeah.

你有没有带伴侣一起出差过？

Have you ever hosted your partner on a work trip?

我有过。

I have.

有一次我去纽约时，我就问：‘你想一起来吗？’

One time when I went to New York, I was like, oh, do you wanna come?

你需要自己买机票，但我知道我会有自己的房间，所以你可以。

Like, you'll have to buy your own plane tickets, but I know I'll have my own room so you can Right.

来我房间吧。

Join me in my room.

我会工作，所以你得自己打发整整一周的时间。

And I'll be working, so you'll have to entertain yourself for the whole week.

我之前大概讲了一下，然后

Like, I kind of gave the rundown before the And

那最后怎么样了？

then how did it work out?

他只是自己做自己的事，而你参加工作活动时，他没问题吗？

Was he just, like, fine doing his own thing while you were at your work events?

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

结果还不错。

It was it worked out pretty well.

然后实际上，在最后几天中的一天，当我的团队晚上外出时，我邀请了我的男朋友一起来，因为那时候工作时间已经结束了。

And then actually on one of the final days when my team went out later at night, I just invited my boyfriend to come along because by that time, it's like, you know, like, the work hour is done.

你也可以一起来。

You're welcome to join us.

于是我的团队见到了我的男朋友。

And so then my team met my boyfriend.

等等。

Wait.

实际上，这还挺搞笑的。

Actually, it was kinda funny.

我的团队领导说：‘你对我们家水晶有什么企图？’

My team lead was like, so what are your intentions with our crystal?

类似这样的话。

Or something like that.

他跟我说：‘你都没提前告诉我，水晶。'

He's like, you didn't prepare me, Crystal.

不过这真的很酷，也很可爱，他能在最后一天加入并认识大家。

That is really cool though and very cute that he was able to join on the last day and, like, meet everyone.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得认识同事的伴侣挺有趣的，因为你平时总听他们提起这些人。

I think it's kind of fun to, like, meet your coworkers' significant others because you hear so much about them.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

然后我就想，天哪。

And then I'm like, oh my god.

我真希望能有一天亲自见到他们。

I can't wait to, like, meet them in person someday.

我总觉得，当同事讲起他们伴侣的故事时，我脑子里都会浮现出一个具体的形象。

I feel like I always have a mental image of who my coworkers are talking about when they say stories about their SOs.

是的。

Yeah.

当他们拿出照片时，我简直惊呆了，心想：哇。

It's, like, so jarring when they show a photo, and I'm like, woah.

好吧。

Okay.

这和我脑子里想象的完全对不上。

This does not match up with the idea that I had in my head.

对。

Yeah.

你会说：等等。

You're like, wait.

把照片收起来。

Put that away.

是的。

Yeah.

你呢？

How about you?

你有没有 hosted 或者被 hosted 过？

Have you ever hosted or been hosted?

是的。

Yeah.

我被 hosted 过，但从来没在工作出差时 hosted 过别人。

I've been hosted, but I've never hosted on, like, my work trip.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但我曾陪我丈夫去他的出差行程。

But I did tag along with my husband's work trip.

而且挺有趣的，因为那次行程的目的地并不是一个有很多活动的大城市。

And it was kind of funny because the trip wasn't to a major city where there would be, like, a ton of things to do.

但巧合的是，我认识一个住在那个城市的人。

But coincidentally, I, like, knew someone who lived in the city.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以我跟她一起吃了午饭，聊了聊近况。

So then I got lunch with her, caught up, chatted.

能见到好久没见的这个人，真的特别开心。

So it was really fun that I was able to, like, see this person who I hadn't been able to see in a while.

另一部分是，那个月我也只是远程工作。

The other part was I was also working just remotely that month.

我每天都在酒店房间里，对着酒店的桌子工作八个小时。

I was just stuck in the hotel room doing work at the hotel desk for, like, eight hours every day.

是的。

Yeah.

因为我 obviously 没有办公室可去。

Because I didn't have an office to go into, obviously.

由于安全原因，我不能进入我丈夫的办公室。

And because of security reasons, I couldn't go into my husband's office.

对。

Right.

但我觉得，除此之外，能一起下班后出去吃晚饭，探索一座新城市，又不用支付住宿费之类的，真的很不错。

But I think aside from that, it was nice to be able to go out together and get dinner after work and just explore a new city without having to, like, pay for lodging and stuff.

这挺酷的。

So that was pretty cool.

就像一次微型度假。

It was like a mini vacation.

是的。

Yeah.

如果你能安排好后勤，有人接待你或者你接待伴侣，这会是一段美好的小冒险。

It's a nice little adventure if you're able to get the logistics down and be hosted and or host your significant other.

我觉得如果有了家庭，情况就会变得复杂，因为你得再订一间房，或者自己掏钱升级房间才能容纳所有人。但现在正好是个完美的时机，因为只有一个人可以陪你同行？

I feel like where it would get complicated is if you had a family, then you would have to book like another either an additional room or like you would have to pay your own money to like upgrade your room to be able So to fit like right now is a perfect time to be able to be like, oh, I just have that one other person who can tag along?

反正也无所谓。

Like, might as well.

是的。

Yeah.

老兄，这趟旅行特别有意思，因为我去的时候，我丈夫已经去过那个城市好多次了。

Dude, it's also so interesting because that trip I was hosted on, my husband had already done multiple business trips to that city.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以他有自己的固定流程。

So he kind of had his own routine.

哦。

Oh.

你知道吗，比如这是我的最爱咖啡店。

You know, like, he had this is my favorite coffee shop.

这家店的披萨特别好吃。

This place has really good pizza.

他那里都建立起了一个小小的生活圈。

He had created, like, a mini life there.

天啊，你知道的，就在他这些出差期间。

Oh my You know, like, over his business trips.

是的。

Yeah.

所以当我去那里时，我就想，哦，这就是你总给我打电话的地方，或者就是你发给我那张披萨照片的地方。

So then when I went there, I was like, oh, this is where you always call me or, like, this is where you sent me that photo of that pizza.

这让我感觉像是在串联起他以前出差时我们视频通话的点点滴滴。

And it felt like I was connecting the dots on, like, our previous FaceTimes when he was on those other business trips.

哎呀。

Aw.

这还挺可爱的。

That's kinda cute.

他是在带我逛他的地盘、他住的区域。

He's showing you around his his area, his hood.

是的。

Yeah.

我当时就想，哇。

I was like, woah.

但同样地，这让我想起了小时候，我爸爸经常出差。

But similarly, it kind of reminded me of how growing up, my dad would go on a lot of business trips.

而且

And

就像你说的，带着孩子出差真的很难，带着配偶和孩子更难。

like you said, it's really hard to bring your kid on a work trip, your SO and your kid.

但现在我快三十岁了，我爸爸现在可以带我妈妈一起去出差了。

But now that I am like an almost 30 year old adult, my dad can now bring my mom on his work trips.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

所以他们俩经常一起旅行。

So the two of them travel together a lot.

这真是太搞笑了。

It's just so funny.

比如我妈妈也会做同样的事，差不多就是待在酒店房间里，等我爸爸出去，然后他们一起出去吃晚饭什么的。

Like, my mom is doing the same thing, kind of, like, chilling at the hotel room while my dad's out, and then they'll, like, go out together for dinners and stuff.

所以我喜欢在KakaoTalk上听他们分享这些小小的出差冒险故事。

So I like hearing about their, like, mini work trip adventures over KakaoTalk.

是的。

Yeah.

哦，这真可爱。

Oh, that's cute.

我觉得我爸爸曾经带我妈妈去过一次出差。

I think actually my dad took my mom on a business trip once.

我想不起来他们去哪了，但我记得我妈妈当时很兴奋。

I can't remember where they went, but I remember my mom being excited.

我当时就想，哦，这还挺温馨的。

And I was like, oh, that's kinda wholesome.

太可爱了。

So cute.

天哪，看父母们做什么真的特别搞笑。

Dude, it's also so funny to see, like, what parents do.

因为当我爸出去工作的时候，我妈有时候会自己出去，在马歇尔百货购物。

Because when my dad is out doing work stuff, sometimes my mom will, like, go out by herself and go shopping at Marshall's.

我当时就想：马歇尔百货？

And I was like, Marshall's?

妈，你在家不就这么干吗？

Mom, like, you just do this at home.

你为啥要在出差时还干这个？

Like, why are you doing this on a work trip?

天哪。

Oh my god.

真的没错。

So true.

你爸爸现在还经常出差吗？还是说频率低多了？

Does your dad still go on a lot of business trips now or is it like much more sparse?

他现在还是经常出差，但我觉得没我小时候那么频繁了。

He still goes on a lot of business trips, but I don't think it's as bad as when I was growing up.

我小时候，他经常出差，而且每次都很长时间。

When I was younger, he would go on business trips frequently and, like, pretty long ones.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

所以我也说不准。

So then I don't know.

现在我长大了，我觉得我能稍微理解他以前说的话了。

Now that I'm older, I feel like I can kind of understand the things he used to say.

有一件事是他以前经常去各种大城市，还有很多国际出差。

One thing is he used to go to all these, like, major cities and a lot of international work trips as well.

我会说，爸爸，你去过这么多不同的国家和城市啊。

And I would be like, oh, dad, you've traveled so much to all these different countries and cities.

你来过这儿吗？

Like, have you been here?

或者你去过这个地标吗？

Or like, have you been to this landmark?

他总是说，没有。

And he would always be like, no.

因为出差的时候，没多少时间去观光。

Because on work trips, there's not that much time to like sightsee.

我当时想，你在说什么呢？

I was like, what are you talking about?

你反正都到那儿了。

Like, you're there anyway.

他说，不，不，真的，每一分钟我都在工作，你知道的？

He's like, no, no, like, seriously, like every minute I'm working, you know?

你这时候就会说，哦，我明白了。

You're like, oh, I see now.

是的。

Yeah.

而且还有一件事，每次出差他都会去丹尼餐厅。

And then there's this other thing too where on every business trip, he would go to Denny's.

天哪。

Oh my god.

他就像是，刚落地就直接去丹尼餐厅。

Like, he would, like, land and then go to Denny's.

我完全无法理解。

And I could never understand that.

我想的是，你都到一座新城市了。

I'm like, you're going to a new city.

为什么不去外面吃顿像样的饭呢？

Why don't you, like, go out and have, like, a nice meal or something?

嗯。

Mhmm.

后来我明白了，好吧。

Later, I realized, okay.

他去的并不总是纽约那样的大城市。

Like, he's not always going to really, really big cities like New York.

有时候他去的是比较小的城市，可能靠近工厂之类的地方。

Like, sometimes he's going to, like, smaller cities, maybe close to a factory or something.

所以你只想去一个知名品牌或者连锁餐厅。

So you only wanna go to, like, a brand name or, like, chain restaurant.

他还说Denny's是24小时营业的。

He also said Denny's is twenty four hours.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以这就是我的夜间惯例。

So it's just, my nighttime routine.

不管我什么时候落地，我都能去Denny's。

No matter what time I land, I can go to Denny's.

之前我们谈到过，你提前预订航班，这样能更早到达。

Earlier, we talked about you booking your flights earlier so that you land earlier.

我想，当爸爸没法做到这一点时，Denny's 就成了他的应对办法。

And I guess Denny's was, my dad's workaround if he wasn't able to do that.

哇。

Wow.

他有一套完整的流程。

He had a whole routine.

是的。

Yeah.

不过他选了个24小时营业的地方，这很聪明。

That's smart though that he chose a 20 fourseven place.

也许他是个煎饼爱好者。

Maybe he's a big pancake guy.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得我爸爸可能试过OG达尼餐厅菜单上的每一样东西。

I think my dad has probably tried every single thing on the OG Denny's menu.

有没有那种情况，比如你的同事在出差时会做些事情，让你惊讶地说：天啊，我都不知道原来还能这样？

Is there anything where maybe, like, your coworkers do these things during trips where you're like, oh my god, I didn't know I could do that.

举个例子吧，因为我的不少同事经常出差，因为他们经常和高层一起工作，所以有时候他们必须出差，当他们特别累的时候，就会说：好了，兄弟们，今天就到此为止吧。

I guess as an example, because a decent amount of my coworkers have been on a lot of trips for work because they've worked with a lot of higher ups and stuff, so sometimes And they are required to travel with so sometimes when they're really tired, they're like, okay, guys, I'm just gonna call it tonight.

我要回酒店了，直接点客房服务。

I'm gonna go home, like, to the hotel and I'm just gonna order room service.

我当时想：天啊，你们居然可以……

I was like, oh my god, you

就这么直接做吗？

can just do that?

等等。

Wait.

这太疯狂了。

That's crazy.

是的。

Yeah.

我当时就想，等等，你真的可以。

And I was like, wait, you totally can.

只要不超出每日限额，你完全可以点客房服务。

Like, as long as you stay under your daily cap, you can totally order room service.

这让我大开眼界，我简直震惊了，因为我觉得你可能也差不多，我们从小就觉得客房服务是一种

And that was like a mind blow like, I was mind blown because I feel like you're probably similar where, like, we grow up and room service is such a like

这是一种奢侈。

It's like a luxury.

遥不可及。

Out of reach.

是的。

Yeah.

像是一种奢侈。

Like luxury.

所以我当时想，天啊。

So I was like, oh my god.

我想我还是点个客房服务吧。

Like, I guess I will order some room service.

等等。

Wait.

这太疯狂了。

That's wild.

实际上，

Actually,

我注意到我一个同事做过一件事。

I have noticed something that one of my coworkers did

是的。

Yeah.

我也感到非常震惊。

Which I was also mind blown.

这不算那种可以报销的东西，但你知道，有时候出差时，你被迫吃一些很西式或者公司提供的餐食，可能并不是你真正想吃的。

It's not as like something you can expense, but you know how sometimes you go on work trips and you're forced to eat very like western or like catered food that might not be exactly what you're craving.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我的同事从家里带了一包方便面，因为她觉得，通常在出差的第二天或第三天，我就会特别想吃点辣的、汤多的。

So my coworker brought a cup noodle from home because she was like, oh, I know usually on day three or day two of the work trip, I start to really crave something like spicy

嗯。

Uh-huh.

还有汤浓的。

And like brothy.

于是她就说，对，我就从家里带一包方便面，等到了酒店再自己煮。

So she was like, yeah, I just bring like a cup noodle from home and I like make it in the hotel room after.

我当时就想，你真是个天才。

And I was like, you're a fucking genius.

天才。

Genius.

哇。

Wow.

我喜欢这个。

I love that.

是的。

Yeah.

提前做好计划。

Planning ahead.

是的。

Yeah.

确实如此。

That's so true.

如果你一整周都吃提供的餐食，总会有那么一刻，你会想：天啊。

If you're eating catered food all week, at some point, you're like, oh god.

谢谢提供的食物，但……我们能吃点别的吗？

Thank you for the food, but, like, can we eat something else?

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

我觉得尤其是，如果在一个大家很少报销个人开销的环境中，从家里带点吃的就特别聪明。

I think especially, like, if it's a environment where maybe people expense, like, individual things less, then it's, like, super smart to just bring something from home.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得这也是为什么一些同事喜欢点客房服务，因为他们会觉得：‘今天的食物选项我不喜欢。’

I think that's also partially why some of my coworkers like to order room service because they're like, oh, I didn't love the food options today.

对。

Right.

而且你知道，现在已经第三四天了，我真的很想吃点家常菜。

And, you know, it's, like, day three or four now, and I just really want some comfort food.

比如，我要点些鸡块之类的东西。

Like, I'm gonna order the chicken tenders or something.

每个人都有自己的方式来应对出差的挑战。

It's like everyone has their own things that they need to do to survive the work trip.

是的。

Yeah.

熬过这段日子。

Get over the hump.

是的。

Yeah.

好吧。

Alright.

随着本集接近尾声，我们来聊聊退房以及结束出差的事。

Well, as we get close to the end of the episode, let's talk more about checking out and, you know, ending the work trip.

你对最后一天有什么特别的安排吗？

Do you have any preferences for that final day?

比如，你会不会想尽快离开？

Like, do you try to get out of there as soon as possible?

还是说，你会想，如果能把航班推迟一点，就在我们所在的城市或周边多待一会儿？

Or are you like, oh, maybe if I can push my flight back a bit and spend a little time around the city or area that we're in.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

我实际上会尽量尽早退房，然后赶紧离开那里。

I actually try to check out as early as humanly possible and, like, hightail it out of there.

我觉得到了最后一天，我就只想回家了。

I think usually by the last day, I'm just, like, ready to go home.

是的。

Yeah.

只想洗个澡，睡在自己的床上，回到自己的环境中。

Ready to, like, shower, sleep in my own bed, just be in my own environment.

而且我觉得我参加的很多出差，回来那天还得继续工作。

And I think a lot of the work trips that I've been on, you still have to work the day after you, like, get back.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以我只是想尽可能早地回到我的日常作息。

So I just want to, like, settle back into my normal routine as early as possible.

但这很有趣，因为说实话，我说尽可能早，但实际上可能只是提前一小时退房。

But it's so funny because, honestly, I say as early as possible, but it's probably, like, I check out, like, an hour earlier.

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

嗯。

Mhmm.

但我总是会在退房排队时看到同事。

But I always do see coworkers at the checkout line.

天哪。

Oh my god.

我心里会想，哦，你们也和我一样，想尽快离开这里。

And internally, I'm, like, noting, like, oh, you guys are also, like, trying to get here as soon as possible as well.

老兄，你知道吗？我从来没见过有人退房，除非是提前计划好的。

Dude, you know what's crazy is that I have actually never seen someone check out unless it was planned.

比如，我们在大堂碰面，然后一起叫个优步去机场。

Like, oh, you know, meet at the lobby and we can like take an Uber to the airport together.

是的。

Yeah.

但除此之外，我从来没见过有人和我同时退房。

But otherwise, I never see people check out at the same time as me.

我觉得可能是因为我不是那种早起的人。

And I think it's maybe because I'm, like, not an early person.

你是在申请延迟退房吧。

You're, like, requesting late checkout

等等。

and shit.

一般来说，我尽量不待太晚，特别是因为酒店通常最晚中午就要退房。

On average, I try not to stay, like, too late, especially because, you know, we have to check out of our hotels by noon, usually the latest.

嗯。

Mhmm.

更常见的是，退房时间是上午11点。

More commonly, it's, 11AM.

如果你飞得晚，比如下午5点，你就得考虑五个小时里行李放哪儿，是不是还得回酒店取，我觉得我通常就多待一会儿，吃个午饭。

If you fly later, 5PM, for example, you have five hours of where do I put my luggage or do I have to come back to the hotel to, like, pick So it up, you I think I usually just stay long enough maybe to have a lunch.

然后我就去机场。

And then I, like, go to the airport.

也许这就是我看不到别人的原因，因为别人都说，是的。

And then maybe that's why I don't see anyone because everyone else is like, yeah.

我现在就去机场。

I'm going to the airport right now.

我总觉得离开的冲动特别强烈。

I feel like the urge to leave is just, like, so big.

你知道，一旦所有工作都结束了，就会想：我怎么还在这儿？

You know, the second all the work things are over, it's like, why am I still here?

不过，如果我的出差是在我想多逛逛的国外国家，我可能会多待一会儿。

Although, if my work trips were abroad in countries where I wanted to explore more, then I could see myself staying a little bit longer.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我觉得，对我来说，这可能是另一个我可以争取的宝贵独处时光，你知道的？

I think maybe part of it too to me is this is another precious alone time pocket that I can carve, you know?

是的。

Yeah.

我不必和同事一起叫网约车去机场。

I don't have to Uber with my coworkers to the airport.

我可以稍微晚一点退房，自己安静地吃顿午餐，然后飞回家之类的。

I can just, like, check out a little later and have a quiet lunch to myself and then, like, fly home or whatever.

我觉得你最糟糕的噩梦就是在酒店大堂遇到同事。

I feel like your worst nightmare would be, like, to run into your coworker at the hotel lobby.

你在你本想独自安静吃午餐的餐厅里碰到了他们。

You run into them at the restaurant where you wanted to have, like, a quiet lunch by yourself.

对。

Yeah.

然后你的同事会说：‘我们要不要一起叫个网约车？’

And then your coker's like, oh, should we just Uber together?

因为我们反正都在一起。

Because we're together anyway.

我会想：我还不如早点起床走人呢。

I would be like, I should've just woke up early and left.

我还在想象你问所有同事：‘你的航班是什么时候？’

I'm also imagining you asking all your co workers like, oh, what time's your flight?

通常当人们这么问的时候，意思是他们想一起叫网约车。

And usually when people ask that, it means like they want to Uber together.

对吧？

Right?

但对你来说，你会说：‘好吧。’

But for you, you're like, oh, okay.

我会试着把我的网约车时间安排得远离你们所有人。

I'll like try to slot my Uber, you know, away from all of you guys.

我觉得，幸运的是，我团队里的很多人也是内向者。

I think, actually, luckily, a lot of people on my team are also introverts.

所以当旅程接近尾声时，他们都差不多说：好了，各位。

So when it's like the end of the trip, they're all kinda like, alright, guys.

回办公室再见。

See you back in the office.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对此我真的很感激。

Which I'm thankful for.

当你不再需要勉强互动时，感觉真好。

It's nice when you don't have to do the forced interactions anymore.

好。

Yeah.

我觉得，可能你出差越多，就越能了解人们在出差时的工作风格或习惯。

I think maybe, like, the more you go on trips, the more you learn about people's work trip personas or habits.

然后，对于我的团队来说，我觉得我们都彼此理解和尊重。

And then, like, for my team, I think we kind of understand and respect.

每个人都需要以自己的方式放松。

Everyone needs to wind down their own way.

是的。

Yeah.

有时候人们就会说，嘿，我今晚得早点休息了。

And sometimes people are just like, hey, I gotta crash tonight.

今天我真的没法再社交了。

Like, I can't I can't hang today.

大家都会说，你做你自己就好，你知道的。

And everyone's like, you do you, you know?

没错。

Hell yeah.

你们在这么多次出差之后，现在已经像一台精密运转的机器了。

You guys are like a well oiled machine now after so many work trips together.

是的，我想是这样的。

Yeah, I guess we are.

因为大家都知道，你得做自己需要做的事，才能保证第二天有精神，毕竟我们还有工作要完成。

Because it's like, hey, you need to do what you need to do to make it the next morning, you know, because we got work to do.

到了晚上，大家都会说，唉，我们都累坏了。

And then at the end, it's like, yeah, we're all really tired.

所以不管你需不需要做什么，就去做吧。

So whatever you need to do, just, like, do it.

对。

Right.

如果你需要悄悄离开，那就悄悄离开吧。

If you need an Irish exit, you Irish exit.

聊了这么多关于一起出差的事，真的很有趣。

Well, this has been really fun to talk about all things work trips together.

我想我现在确实从你的工作经历中学到了很多技巧。

I think I've actually learned a lot of tips and tricks now, like, from your work experiences.

所以我迫不及待想出发了，嗯，我真的想去吗？

So I'm itching to go, well, actually, am I?

我会把这些信息留着，等我下次出差时再用，谁知道那会是什么时候。

I'll I'll slot this information away for my next work trip, which who knows how soon that'll be.

但谢谢你，Crystal，今天分享你的经验。

But thank you, Crystal, for sharing your expertise today.

对于我们的所有听众，如果你也有出差的技巧，或者像我们一样努力争取独处时间，也请告诉我们。

And for any of our listeners out there, if you also have work trip tips or if you also fight to carve out as much alone time as we do on your work trips, then let us know.

我们的Instagram是eatyourcrustpod，邮箱是eatyourcrustpodgmail dot com。

We have Instagram at eatyourcrustpod, and we also have email eatyourcrustpodgmail dot com.

别忘了在Spotify、Apple Podcasts或你收听播客的任何平台关注我们。

And don't forget to follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts.

我们每两周的周三早上更新新一期节目。

We upload new episodes every other Wednesday morning.

谢谢收听。

Thanks for listening.

别忘了吃掉边缘部分。

And don't forget to eat your crust.