放下完美主义：与基普乔格探讨过程、当下与规划的力量 #567

当然。

Absolutely.

但你做到了。

But you did it.

对吧？

Right?

这很有趣。

And it's interesting.

昨天，我与你的另一位运动员同胞塞凡·哈桑交谈，我跟她聊了关于她的心理状态，她在2024年奥运会上决定参加5公里、10公里和马拉松比赛。

Yesterday, I spoke to, a fellow athlete of yours, Sefan Hassan, and I was chatting to her about her mentality and that's in the twenty twenty four Olympics, she decided to run the five k, the 10 k, and the marathon.

她还分享了一个想法，说周围的人都说：‘你别这么做。’

And she was also sharing this idea that people around her were saying, oh, you shouldn't do this.

你知道，这不可能完成，或者你没有接受足够的训练来跑2023年的马拉松。

You know, it can't be done, or, you know, you've not done enough training to do the twenty twenty three marathon.

但在塞凡、你以及许多顶尖运动员身上，似乎都有一种内在的信念。

But there seems to be in Stefan and yourself and many of the top athletes, there seems to be this inner belief.

这种内在信念是：无论别人怎么说，无论故事怎么说，文化怎么说，社会怎么说，我都相信自己能做到。

This inner belief that it doesn't matter what people say, doesn't matter what stories, what culture says, what society says, I believe I can do it.

所以我打算去尝试。

And so I'm gonna try.

对吧？

Right?

有时候你尝试做某件事，但它没有成功，但你依然保有这种信念。

Now sometimes you'll try to do something and it won't happen, but you still have that belief.

你内心那种‘人类没有极限’的想法是从哪里来的？

Where did that idea come from within you that no human is limited?

你觉得这种想法适用于地球上所有人，还是只适用于少数人？

Do you think that applies to everyone on the planet or just to a few?

我认为到现在，它已经适用于几乎每个人了。

I think by now it applied to nearly everybody.

但这个想法源于2017年，当时耐克试图让人们突破两小时大关。

But the idea came in the year 2017 when the Nike came in with trying to get people to break the war party.

你知道，这真的很难。

And you know, it was really hard.

所有社交媒体平台上都在流传很多故事。

A lot of stories were going on in all social media channels.

你知道，推特上有很多故事，实际上报纸上也有很多报道，说这些人扼杀了我们。

You know, a lot of stories on Twitter, a lot of stories on, actually, newspapers that these people choke us.

但我问自己，人类是有限的吗？

But I ask myself, are the human beings limited?

然后我回答自己：不是。

Then I answer myself, no.

没有人是有限的。

No human is limited.

在这个世界上，没有任何一个人是有限的。

In this world, there is no human being who is limited.

你一旦感到受限，那仅仅存在于你的思维中。

The moment you are limited, then it only applies in your thinking.

而保持无限的状态，也始终存在于你的脑海中。

And to be unlimited is also always stays in your head also.

因为你知道，正是在这里，‘没有人是受限的’这句话才得以体现。

Because, you know and that's where the time no human is limited came in.

我于2017年直接加入了这项事业。

I just jump in to the ship in 2017.

虽然我没能打破12小时的纪录，但这次尝试依然成功了，我仅以25秒之差未能达成，这证明我根本不受限制。

But I although I missed it to to break the 12 Harrier, but it was a success, and I missed it by twenty five seconds, which shows I'm not limited at all.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

然后，这堵墙开始裂开了。

Then the wall now start to open.

2017年的世界就像一个茧。

The world in 2017 was like in a cocoon.

当时每个人都封闭自己，但我用‘没有人是有限的’这句话来打破这种状态，让人们自由，明白他们根本不受限制。

Everybody was closed, but I used the word no human is limited to break it, you know, and and leave people to be free, to know that they are not limited at all.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yes.

如果现在有谁在生活中挣扎，比如说，一位觉得生活艰难的单亲妈妈，该怎么办呢？

If there's someone who's struggling in their life at the moment, let's say, I don't know, a single mother who feels that life is tough, okay?

她们能从‘没有人是有限的’这个观点中汲取什么？

What can they take from your message that no human is limited?

所有的单亲妈妈都很了不起。

Oh, all the single mothers are beautiful.

她们拥有世界上最坚强的孩子。

And they have the strongest children ever.

我本人就是单亲妈妈养大的。

I am actually from a single mother.

我上学了。

I went to school.

我实际上并没有挨饿睡觉，但我是被一位单亲母亲抚养长大的。

I did not actually sleep without food, but I was taken care of by a single mother.

所以，对所有单亲母亲而言，关于认识到人没有极限的启示是：当她们打破这个茧、破茧而出时，我会和我的孩子们一起前行。

So, the message to all single mothers about knowing human is limited is to know that the moment they break that cocoon and come up that, I will move on with my children.

我会照顾我的孩子们。

I will take care of my children.

我会把饭端上桌。

I will put the food on the table.

我会送他们去上学。

I will take them to school.

我会纠正他们。

I will mend at them.

我会培育他们。

I will nurture them.

我会和他们生活在一起。

I will live with them.

我会为他们指明方向。

I will show them the way.

这才是真正的转折点。

That's the game changer.

是的。

Yeah.

这是一种信念。

That's a belief.

相信、坚持、继续前进。

Believe and put on and move ahead.

感觉跑马拉松就像人生的隐喻。

It feels like running a marathon is a metaphor for life.

我们必须坚持下去。

We have to endure.

我们必须经历高峰。

We have to go through ups.

我们必须经历低谷，但无论如何我们都得挺过去。

We have to go through downs, but somehow we have to get through.

你通过跑马拉松学到的许多教训，似乎也可以应用到跑步之外的领域。

It seems like a lot of the lessons that you have learned yourself through running marathons can also be applied beyond running.

对你来说，跑马拉松和度过人生有什么相似之处？

For you, what is the similarity between running a marathon and getting through life?

那么，你通过跑马拉松学到的哪些关键教训，是我们所有人都可以在生活中应用的？

And then what are some of the key lessons you've learned through running marathons that we can all apply in our own lives.

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Today's episode is sponsored by AG One, a daily health drink that has been in my own life for over seven years.

寒冷的季节会让人更难保持动力。

Now the colder months can make it harder to stay motivated.

阳光减少、活动量下降以及季节性情绪低落，可能会让人感到身心俱疲，尤其是在试图维持健康习惯时。

Less sunlight, reduced movement, and seasonal mood dips can leave people feeling physically and mentally drained, especially when trying to maintain healthy routines.

现在，我们很多人依赖咖啡或能量饮料来撑过去，但这些往往会导致能量崩溃和睡眠质量下降，长远来看并不是最佳解决方案。

Now, lot of us rely on coffee or energy drinks to push through, but these often lead to crashes and poor sleep quality and really are not the best long term solution.

AG1是一种日常健康饮品，通过其含有的B族维生素、维生素C和镁来帮助维持我们的能量水平。

AG1 is a daily health drink that can support our energy through its blend of B vitamins, vitamin C, and magnesium.

这些营养素有助于减少疲劳感，并支持正常的心理和神经系统功能。

These nutrients help reduce tiredness and fatigue while supporting normal psychological and nervous system function.

与咖啡因不同，这些营养素实际上是与人体自身的能量系统协同作用的。

And unlike caffeine, these nutrients actually work with the body's natural energy systems.

我自己能明显感觉到，当我服用了AG1的那天，精力水平会有显著提升。

I know myself that I can feel a significant difference in energy levels on the days where I have taken my AG1.

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For a limited time only, get a free AG1 duffel bag and a free AG1 welcome kit with your first subscription.

你只需访问 drinkag1.com/live more，该优惠数量有限，售完即止。

All you have to do is go to drinkag1.com forward slash live more, and the offer is only available while supplies last.

我总是说，马拉松就是人生，人生就是马拉松。

I always say marathon is life, and life is marathon.

在生活中，我们会遇到很多挑战。

In life, there is a lot of challenges.

我们可以每天因为遇到挑战而笑，但我们也必须继续前行，因为每一天我们都需要坚持、坚持、坚持、坚持。

We can laugh every day because we get challenges, but we move on because every day we need to press on, press on, press on, press on.

一旦我们不再坚持，生命就结束了。

The moment we are no longer pressing on, that's the end of life.

在马拉松中，有一段漫长而遥远的旅程。

In marathon, there is a huge and long journey.

途中会有水坑。

There is ponds on the way.

途中会有坑洼。

There is potholes on the way.

水坑就像你事业或个人生活中突然出现的小挑战。

Ponds actually are like small challenges comes in within your profession, within your personal life.

那个关口其实就是你认为自己已经跌入谷底、再也爬不起来的挑战。

The portal is actually that challenge which you believe that you are down and you'll never wake up.

这就像你开车时曾经遇到过的情况。

It's the same thing that you used actually happen to drive a car.

然后你爆胎了。

And you get a puncture.

继续上路，换上备胎，然后继续前进。

Just go on the road, change your tire, and move on.

这并不是生命的终点。

That's not the end of life.

你不能把车抬起来就直接走。

You cannot lift the car and just move.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，生活就是这样。

So, it's like life.

当你遇到有史以来最坚硬的岩石时，那也不是生命的终点。

When you hit actually the hardest rock ever, that's not the end of life.

回去看看你如何能更有效地应对它。

Go back, see how you can eat it more.

更深入地应对它，积累力量，因为最后一击终将击碎它。

Eat it more and gain that rock because the last stroke will break it.

但最后一击其实并不重要。

But that last stroke is not really important.

我们用来击打那块岩石的风险是可以计算的。

The risk we have been using to hit that rock is countable.

而我们所做的一切实际上都不会导致亏损。

And anything we are doing actually cannot go into a loss.

在2024年奥运会马拉松之前，你从未在开始后放弃过任何一场马拉松。

Until the twenty twenty four Olympic marathon, you had never not completed a marathon race that you started.

对于许多观看那场比赛的人来说，看到你停下并退出比赛，感到非常震惊。

For many people who watched that race, it was quite a shock for us to see you stop and pull out of that race.

好的。

Okay.

所以，根据你刚才说的，生活充满了挑战、坑洼，意外总是不断发生。

So through the lens of what you've just said, okay, life is full of challenges and potholes and unexpected things come up all the time.

我猜，完成2024年巴黎马拉松赛，并不在你的计划之中，对吧？

I'm guessing for you, completing the twenty twenty four marathon in Paris, that wasn't part of the plan, was it?

这确实不在计划之中，但我想，当我们谈论生活时，实际上在路上撞上了个坑。

It was not part of the plan, but it's a I think I hit a pothole actually on the way when we talk and bring our minds as far as life is concerned.

在运动中，这是一个巨大的挑战。

In sport, that's a big challenge.

但我从这个挑战中学到的是：这是世界的末日吗？

But what I learned from this challenge Was it the end of the world?

这是我的职业生涯的终结吗？

Was it the end of my career?

这是体育的终结吗？

Was it the end of sport?

他们都清楚。

All of them know.

我们回头，坐下来，从中学习。

We go back, we sit, we learn from it.

我整理自己，把自己摆在桌面上，写下我所做的事情。

I collect myself, put myself on the table and, you know, write what I have been doing.

你真正地吸收这些消息，然后继续前行。

You actually absorb the news and move on.

实际上发生了什么，我意识到这个世界充满挑战。

What happened actually, I learned that this world is full of challenges.

生活可能会试图击垮你，但如果你足够坚强，生活就无法打倒你——你会重新站起来。

Life can try to break you, but if you are strong enough, life cannot break You bounce back.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道，重要的是我跌倒了，但我在什么时候醒过来？

You know, the important thing is that I fall down, but when did I wake up?

你能多快醒过来？

How faster can you wake up?

你能醒到多远？

How far can you wake up?

什么？

What?

重要的是不断努力，而不是追求节奏，因为我们已经忘了它。

It it the important thing is working up, not getting the rhythm because we forget it.

发生了什么？

What happened?

我们忘记了。

We forget.

但我们醒来了，然后继续前进。

But we wake up and move on.

如果我们回到那场比赛，因为我觉得在参加巴黎马拉松时，你原本希望实现三连冠。

If we go back to that race, because I think coming into that marathon race in Paris, you were hoping to maybe get three consecutive goals.

当然。

Absolutely.

那是你的计划。

That was your plan.

对吧？

Right?

目标。

The goal.

是的。

Yes.

对吧？

Right?

正如你之前所说，这个目标让你制定了训练计划，以努力实现这一目标。

Which then, as you said before, the goal allowed you to put a training plan in place to try and achieve that goal.

在那场比赛中，你能详细说说，你是在什么时候开始意识到出了问题的吗？

During that race, can you just talk us through at what point did you start to realize something was wrong?

你当时的内心独白是什么样的？

What was your self talk like?

因为很多人会受到消极自我对话的困扰。

Because a lot of people struggle with negative self talk.

你知道吗，要达到那种意识到‘等等，其实’的境界，对你来说很难吗？

And, you know, was it hard for you to get to that point where you thought, actually, you know what?

我要退出了。

I'm gonna pull out.

实际上在20公里处，我感觉双腿已经不再听使唤了。

At 20 kilometers, actually, I feel my legs actually is no longer moving.

我有些疼痛，而且这种感觉会以我想象的方式出现。

I have some pain and, you know, it can come up the way I think.

于是我努力坚持、再坚持、拼命坚持，但最终意识到自己已经无法继续前进了。

Then I tried to push on and push and push, but I realized I can go anywhere.

所以，我脑子里想了很多事情。

So, a lot was going on in my mind.

我能说一下结束时间吗？

Can I finish with the end time?

我能就此停下吗？

Can I just stop?

我能做些什么？

What can I do?

于是我决定停下并继续前进。

Then I made a decision to stop and move on.

对我来说，停下才是最难的事。

Stopping actually for me was the hardest thing ever.

没能完成才是最难的事。

Not finishing actually was the hardest thing ever.

我是那里年纪最大的运动员。

I was the oldest athlete there.

你知道社交媒体上经常有人说，有人给我发消息说，最好的舞者知道何时离开舞台。

And you know what comes in a lot in the social media that, hey, somebody send me a message that the best dancer knows when to leave the stage.

就只是这么一小段文字。

Just a small text like that.

换句话说，他是在告诉我：‘该是你离开舞台的时候了，艾尔·莱伊。’

In other words, he was telling me, it's your time to leave the stage, Al Rai.

但我以积极的方式看待它，只是读了这条消息然后离开，因为我知道自己在做什么。

But I took it in a positive way and just read the message and leave because I know what I am doing.

所以退休、离开运动、转而做其他事情，发生了太多事情。

So I it was a lot going on retirement, leaving the sport, just going to do other things.

但我能做什么呢？

But what can I do?

我能做些什么来赋能这个世界？

What can I do to empower this world?

我能用什么工具作为信使，把我的信息传遍世界？

What tool can use as a messenger to take my messages across the world?

于是答案是这样的：离开赛场，在运动内部奋斗，让这项运动成为你伟大的信使。是的。

Then the answer was this: to leave the spot, fight within the sport, to make this sport your great messenger Yeah.

赋能世界。

To empower the world.

然后我醒来，去训练，现在我就在这里。

Then I woke up, go to training, and here I am now.

当你退出那场比赛时，是故意让其他选手先超过你吗？

When you pulled out of that race, was it intentional to let the runners pass you first?

我意识到我不能再继续下去了，于是我说：嘿，让我开始慢下来。

I realized I can't move on anymore, then I say, hey, let me start to choke around.

我只是慢下来，因为我没看到任何人，也没看到任何车来接我冲向终点线？

Just choke because I didn't see anybody who can I didn't see any car actually coming for me to champion and go to finishing line?

于是我慢慢地、一点一点地放慢脚步，开始走路，并决定停下。

Then I choked slowly by slowly and started to walk and, you know, just decided to say, let me stop.

等待那些真正带人们冲向终点的人，是的。

Wait for the people who are actually taking people to the finishing line and Yeah.

这很有趣。

It's interesting.

你经常谈到价值观，以及带着人性的价值观跑步。

You talk a lot about values and running with the values of humanity.

很多人对你非常敬佩，因为你停下后，还与大批人群一起步行。

And a lot of people had a huge amount of respect for you that when you stopped, you walked with a lot of the crowds.

是的，我和超过600人一起步行，而且……

Yeah, I walked with over 600 people on the And

你脱下了背心，为人们签名，送给他们东西。

you took your vest off, you signed things, you gave people things.

我的袜子，所有的东西。

My socks, everything.

所以我说，这些都是礼物，因为他们在给予我，他们被我激励了。

So I say these are the gift because they are giving me I have inspired them.

显然有很多人来自北美和南美、亚洲、欧洲和非洲各地，我说，嘿，让我们一起走吧。

People are clearly a lot who are coming from North And South America, Asia, everywhere in Europe, Africa, and I say, hey, let us walk together.

让我们真正地意识到，跑步是一种运动。

Let us actually you know, running is a movement.

让我们利用这个平台真正推动这个世界的变化。

Let us use this vehicle actually to to move things in this world.

那是一个美好的时刻，我认为人们称你为史上最伟大的运动员，确实有各种各样的原因。

It was a wonderful moment, and I think it really you know, again, people call you the greatest of all time, I think, for a variety of different reasons.

是的。

Yes.

你的运动能力、纪录和胜利。

Your athletic ability, the records, the wins.

但我觉得并不仅仅如此。

But I don't think it's just that.

我认为是你的谦逊。

I think it's the humility.

是你为人处世的方式，是你比赛时秉持的价值观。

It's the way you conduct yourself, the values with which you race.

我觉得你在退出后仍参加巴黎奥运会时步行，一定非常失望。

And I think you walking at the Paris Olympics after you'd pulled out, you must have been very disappointed.

你以前从未这样做过，但即使在那个失望的时刻，你依然能以这种谦逊和温暖的方式表现自己。

You'd never done that before yet even in that moment of disappointment, you were able to conduct yourself with this sort of humility and this warmth.

你看起来并不生气，也不想跟任何人说话，更没有选择离开，让我一个人待着。

You didn't seem to be angry and didn't wanna talk to anyone and go off, leave me alone.

你始终与这个支持你的社群在一起。

You were there with this supportive community.

观看这一切真是令人难以置信。

It was quite incredible to watch.

是的。

Yes.

所以，你知道，

So, you know,

谦逊才是关键。

humility is the key.

而且，你知道，理解生活才是最棒的事。

And, you know, understanding life is the best thing ever.

他们说，愤怒其实是一棵会毁掉你的杂草。

They say anger, actually, is a weed which can destroy you.

但如果你能抛开愤怒，那就是获得智慧、清晰思考并做正确事情的唯一途径。

But if you manage to throw away anger, that's the only way to get knowledge and, you know, think straight and do the right things.

是的。

Yeah.

我相信，当你以一种积极的方式保持谦逊时，那正是你最好地思考并走上正轨的时刻。

And I believe that the moment you are you are humble in a good way, that's the best time actually to think and be on the right course.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

你现在感觉怎么样？

How do you feel now?

从奥运会到现在快一年了，你原本有计划、有目标，希望实现三连冠，但没能成功。

Almost a year on from the Olympics, you had this plan, you had this goal, third consecutive goal, it didn't happen.

你现在后悔吗？还是认为退出那场马拉松让你学到了无法通过其他经历获得的关于人生的宝贵教训？

Do you regret that now, or do you think that you pulling out of that marathon has taught you incredible things about life that you could not have learned had you not been through that experience?

当然。

Absolutely.

你知道，退出巴黎马拉松实际上让我心痛，但也让我学到了很多。

You know, pulling out of the Paris marathon actually tight my heart and I learned a lot.

因为假设去年发生了最好的事情，我赢得了那枚金牌。

Because see, let us say, the best things had happened last year, and I won that gold medal.

但现在，我其实不知道该如何应对挫折。

For now, I do not actually know how to handle the setbacks.

我没有办法静下心来，看清背后发生的一切，看清过去二十年里究竟发生了什么。

I do not I could not have the knowledge on how to sit down, see what has been happening behind my back, what has been happening for the last twenty years.

试着醒来，坐在椅子上，用一只眼睛看着桌子，扔出另一张路线图。

Try to wake up, sit on the chair, you know, see the table in one eye and throw another road map.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但我认为，我要感谢在巴黎发生的一切。

But I think I thank I thank all that it happened in Paris.

现在我觉得我已经足够成熟，能够承受路上遇到的挫折了。

Now I think I am I am I am old enough to hold in a setback which comes in on my way.

人们说，不是吗？我们从失败的比赛中学到的，比从成功的比赛中学到的更多。

They say, don't they, we learn more from our bad races than our good races.

这些天，我经常试图教给或分享给我的孩子们一件事：当事情没有按计划进行时，我会问他们，这个情况教会了你什么？如果你没有经历这件事，你永远都不会学到这些。

And one of the things that I find myself trying to teach or share with my children quite a lot these days is when something doesn't go to plan for them, one of the questions I ask them is, what has this situation taught you that you would never have learnt had it not occurred?

这是我想让他们开始用这种心态面对生活的方式。

It's my way of trying to get them to start taking that sort of mindset to life.

这种心态是我直到最近才拥有的：当事情不如预期时，只要你训练自己去寻找，总会有学习的机会。

The mindset that I didn't have until recently, that when things don't go to plan, there's always a learning opportunity if you train yourself to look for it.

是的。

Yes.

这正是你所说的，任何你失败的事情，你其实都能从中汲取经验。

That's exactly what you know, anything you fail, then you actually scoop the Linux.

嗯。

Yeah.

但你得到的任何东西，都会变成一种成功。

But anything you get, it becomes a success.

要真正关注积极的一面很难。

It's hard to actually poke on the positives.

嗯。

Yeah.

但如果你没能避开那些负面因素，就很容易从中吸取教训。

But if you fail to actually get those negatives, it's very easy and learn from it.

你退出2024年奥运会马拉松比赛，你觉得那是失败吗？

Was you pulling out of the twenty twenty four Olympic marathon, do you regard that as a failure?

不算真正的失败，但你知道，生活中总会发生一些你无法控制的事情。

Not real failure, but, you know, anything can happen in life that you can't control.

你的双手无法掌控，但生活必须继续。

Your hands cannot handle, but life must continue.

这就是我所拥有的。

That's the thing I've got.

我意识到，你可能会花五个月时间，却无法坚持你一直在做的事情。

I realized that you can spend five months and fail to cling to what you have been doing.

你知道，我花了一些时间。

You know, I took time.

我总是看格斗比赛、拳击，你知道，我们每天早上很早就起床，观看那些在沙特阿拉伯、美国打比赛的人，学习并研究他们的训练方式。

I always watch the fighting games, boxing, you know, We're waking up very early in the morning to watch those people fighting in Saudi Arabia, in America, and learn and, you know, research on their training.

你知道，有人已经在健身房里待了四个月。

And, you know, somebody has been living in a gym for four months.

好的体魄，敏锐的头脑，充沛的精力。

Good pussy, good mind, a lot of energy.

走上拳台，十八秒。

Going to the ring, eighteen seconds.

击倒。

Knock down.

击倒，十八秒。

Knock out, eighteen seconds.

想象一下。

Just imagine.

你和整个团队一起训练了三四五个月，但你的比赛没有打二十五分钟，只用了十八秒。

You have been there with a whole team of fellow people training for three, four, five months, but your fight only instead of twenty five minutes took eighteen seconds.

这真是一个真正的挑战：任何事情都可能发生，但生活就是要用你的双足直面它并走过它。

That's a real challenge that anything can happen, but life is about facing it with your two highs and going through it.

会发生什么？

What will happen?

让我们从中学习。

Let us learn from it.

如果成功了，就吸收成功，继续前进。

If it's success, let us absorb success and move on.

如果意味着我们错过了成功，就从这些错过中学习，然后继续前进。

If it means that we miss success, let us learn from these missing and move on.

是的。

Yeah.

我经常在想的一件事是，埃利奥特，你知道，有一种说法是目标总是好的。

Something I think about a lot, Elliot, you know, that there's a there's a narrative that goals are always good.

但我认为生活中没有什么东西是永远好的。

But I don't believe anything in life is always good.

这取决于目标背后真正追求的是什么。

It depends on what's going on behind that goal.

明白吗？

Okay?

如果目标只是为了体现你作为一个人的身份，那么我认为这种目标可能会变得有问题。

If the goal is there to say something about who you are as a human being, then I think that goal can become problematic.

我不知道你有没有听说过英格兰橄榄球运动员乔尼·威尔金森。

I don't know if you've heard of the English rugby player, Johnny Wilkinson.

他曾是世界上最好的橄榄球运动员之一。

He was one of the best rugby players in the world.

我认为是在2003年，世界杯决赛的最后一分钟，他踢进了制胜一球。

And in I think it was 2003, in the final minute of the World Cup final, he scores the winning goal.

明白吗？

Okay?

这正是在橄榄球强国的孩子们小时候会梦寐以求的场景，对吧？

So it's the kind of thing that children in rugby playing nations would dream about as kids, right?

在世界杯决赛的最后一分钟，你主罚点球，你的国家赢得了世界杯。

The final minute of the world cup final, you take the kick and your country wins the world cup.

他在23岁时做到了这一点，但他后来坦言，这给他带来了十年的抑郁、焦虑和严重的心理健康问题。

He did that at the age of 23, but he will share that actually that caused him ten years of depression and anxiety and real mental health struggles.

当时对结果的关注太多了。

There was too much focus on the outcome.

你今天谈到的很多内容，都是关于过程胜过结果、旅程胜过目的地。

A lot of the things you're talking about today is about process over outcome, journey over destination.

他提到，当时对结果的关注非常强烈。

And he will share that there was a real focus on the outcome.

他告诉我，他小时候打橄榄球只是为了好玩，为了表达自己。

He said to me that he used to play rugby as a child for fun, to express himself.

但不知从什么时候起，橄榄球开始定义他作为一个人的身份。

Then somewhere along the line, rugby said something about who he was as a human.

从那时起，他的所有问题就开始了。

And that's when all his problems started.

对吧？

Right?

所以，我认为这种观点——目标可能有帮助，但也可能具有局限性——非常值得人们深思。

So this idea that goals can be helpful, but also limiting, I think is really, really interesting for people to think about.

是的，目标确实有帮助，

Yes, goals can help,

但它也可能成为一种限制因素。

but it can be a limiting factor too.

我们需要进行一次对话，但也要把它们放在一边。

That we need to have a call, but we need to put aside.

但要遵循正确的体系，把这种指引当作指南，帮助你不要跌倒，不要停下，不要偏离方向或做其他事情。

But walk on the right systems and make that call as a guidance, to guide you not to fall, to guide you not to stop, to guide you not to fall astray or do anything else.

但如果我们所有人都能拥有所有正确的体系，让这些行动成为我们脑海中的常态，把指引融入思维的障碍赛中，那么随着时间推移，我们将不断成长。

But if all of us can have all the right systems, all the walkings in front of our minds, put the call at the parkour of minds, then as the time goes, we'll grow in a

好的，没错。

good Yeah.

上周我参加了我本地的公园跑。

I was at my local park run last week.

明白吗？

Okay?

星期六早上。

Saturday morning.

这里正好有一个我们正在讨论的例子。

And there's a prime example here of what we're talking about.

我非常熟悉的那个家伙，两年前，他每周六早上五公里跑步的平均成绩是二十五到二十六分钟。

This chap who I know super well there, two years ago, he was averaging twenty five, twenty six minutes for his Saturday morning five k run.

好吧？

Okay?

然后在接下来的几年里，他改变了生活方式和训练方式。

And then for a few years, he's now transformed his lifestyle and his training.

现在他跑到了二十二分钟、二十二分半钟左右。

And he's now running like twenty two minutes, twenty two and a half minutes.

是的。

Yeah.

仅仅两年时间，他就取得了巨大的进步。

Huge improvement from just two years ago.

哦，是啊。

Oh, yeah.

最近，他参加了一次公园跑，成绩是二十二分四十秒。

Then recently, he ran a he ran a parkrun and it was like twenty two forty.

但他却非常失望。

And he was so disappointed.

他简直说：‘天哪，我真不敢相信。’

He's like, oh, man, I can't believe it.

我搞砸了。

I messed up.

对我来说特别有趣的是，我跟他说：‘嘿，你知道吗，就在两年前，你要是能跑进25分钟，那已经很棒了。’

And what was really interesting to me, I said to him, hey, you know, like, just two years ago, if you broke twenty five minutes, that was amazing.

对吧？

Right?

但现在你却因为22分40秒的成绩感到失望，甚至非常沮丧。

But now you're disappointed and you're really, really upset with a twenty two forty.

这让我觉得特别有意思，这个目标——或者说，这不是我该说的，而是他本人需要去弄清楚什么对他最重要。

And it was just quite interesting to me how that goal or that, again, it's not for me to say it's for him as an individual to figure out what's important to him.

但当我们只关注成绩时，有太多事情是我们无法控制的：天气、风速、前一晚睡了多少觉？

But there's so many things that we can't control when we just focus on the time, the weather, the wind, how much sleep did I have the night before?

你这一周工作压力大不大？

How stressful was my week at work?

对吧？

Right?

所以时间只是时间。

So the time is just the time.

它并不能展现时间背后的故事，

It doesn't show us the story behind the time,

不是吗？

does it?

是的，完全正确。

Yes, absolutely.

所以对他而言，我认为在某种程度上，这个目标让他无法欣赏自己实际上已经取得的进步。

So for him, I would argue that in some ways that goal is not allowing him to appreciate how far he's actually come.

是的，我认为对他来说，唯一重要的是要明白他已经取得了巨大的进步——整整三分钟，这真的非常了不起。

Yes, think the only thing for him is actually to understand that he has made a huge, huge improvement of three minutes, which is really huge.

巨大。

Huge.

但并不是每一天都一样。

But not all days are equal.

他明天可以跑十九分钟。

He can run nineteen minutes tomorrow.

下一周，可以跑二十五分钟。

Next week, can run twenty five minutes.

这就是体育中的生活。

And that's life in sport.

这就是生活。

That's life.

是的。

Yes.

你下一周可以跑二十五分钟，第二天又可能跑回十九分钟。

And you can run twenty five minutes next week, and the following day, you can run 19 again.

这就是身体在体育中的真实反应。

That's how the body actually reacts in sport.

所以，我们需要理解，当我们感觉良好时，我们就处于良好状态。

So, it needs understanding that the moment we are okay, we are okay.

当我们感到自己的能量处于平均水平时，我们会珍惜这份普通的能量。

The moment we feel our energy actually is average, we appreciate the average energy.

当我们的能量达到90%时，我们同样会珍惜，并将身体推向极限。

When our energy is actually at 90%, we appreciate also and we press our bodies to the limit.

你

You

你之前说过，跑步不仅仅是腿部的事。

said before that running is not just about the legs.

它还关乎心脏和心智。

It's also about the heart and the mind.

是的。

Yes.

那意味着什么？

What does that mean?

我明确地说，我不是在用我自己的腿训练。

I say that clearly I'm not training with my own legs.

而是用我的心和我的思想。

But it's about my heart and my mind.

推动我的力量，是我注入内心、铭刻于心，并用言语告诉自己：我必须控制我的身体。

That what drives me is what I'm putting in my heart, put in my mind and say it with my mouth that I need to control my body.

当我从内心真正内化了跑步的意义，控制双腿就变得非常容易了，因为身体本来就是你的身体。

And the moment I have internalized about running in my heart, then to control my legs is really hissy because it can move because the body is just your body.

但你知道，尊重跑步，并将全部投入融入内心，让思想掌控一切，这才是关键。

But, you know, respecting and putting your everything running in your heart and, you know, making your mind to control everything is what's needed.

这种掌控思维的理念，是很多人难以做到的。

This whole idea of controlling our minds, it's something that a lot of people struggle with.

我最近看了一段网球名将诺瓦克·德约科维奇的采访，采访者对他说：‘你拥有强大的心理素质这个天赋。’

I recently saw an interview with the amazing tennis player, Novak Djokovic, and the interviewer said something to Djokovic, said something like, you've you have the gift of a strong mindset.

德约科维奇却打断了采访，说：‘不，这不是天赋。’

And Novak stopped the interview and said, no, this is not a gift.

这是一种我不断练习和培养的技能。

This is a skill that I've worked on and cultivated.

你如何练习和培养积极心态的技能？

How do you work on and cultivate the skill of a positive mindset?

我

I

我实际上在训练中运用了这种方法。

am using actually what I'm doing in training.

如果我训练四个月，跑量分别是50%、70%、90%，我不在乎训练是否有起伏，只要达成目标并感到自己状态不错，这就是塑造坚强心态的方式。

That if I train for four months, running 50%, 70%, 90%, I don't care if trainings are up and down, but eating the targets and feeling that I'm okay, then that's the way to build a fit mind.

这正是我正在运用的个人技能。

That's that's my own skill that I am using.

当我对训练感到满意时，我的心态也会随之愉悦。

The moment I am happy with my trainings, then my mind is happy also.

因为一旦我对训练不满意，心态就会变得消极。

Because the moment I don't know, I'm not happy with the training, the mind is not happy.

这确实是一个真正的挑战。

And that's a real, real challenge.

所以我需要以快乐的方式训练。

So I need to train in a happy way.

当知道一切顺利时，心灵就会足够平静。

And the mind will be calm enough knowing that all is well.

这就是你为什么说纪律带来自由的原因吗？

Is this the reason that you say that discipline is what leads to freedom?

绝对如此。

Absolutely, yes.

我总是说，有纪律的人才是自由的人。

I always say those who are disciplined are the free people.

你一旦开始，就必须每天不断学习，不能遗漏。

The moment you do, you have to know more every day without missing it.

因此，你的心灵会适应，你的身体也会适应。

Thus, your mind will cope it, your body will cope it.

你知道，那样你的职业就会变得纯粹。

And you know, then your profession will be clean.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

多年来，作为一名医生，我的职责之一就是帮助患者在生活方式和饮食习惯上做出不同的选择，对吧？

One of my roles for many years as a doctor has been to help patients make different choices with their lifestyle and their eating habits, okay?

我经常跟人们分享的一个观点是：说你要做某事却不去做，是最具毒性的行为之一，因为你说了要做，却不行动，这让你自己觉得你不可信。

And one of the things I often share with people is this idea that saying you're going to do something and not doing it is one of the most toxic things you can do, because you say I'm gonna do something And then by not doing it, you show yourself that you can't trust yourself.

你无法依靠自己。

You can't rely on yourself.

当我听到你谈论自律时，我就想到了这一点。

And I think about that when I hear you talk about discipline.

在我看来，你制定训练计划并坚持执行、信守承诺，实际上是在建立对自己的信任，对吧？

To me, it seems that by you having your training plan and doing it and committing to it, you're building up that trust in yourself, right?

你知道吗，我确实说了我要做，而且我真的做到了，这正是很多人感到挣扎的原因。

You know that actually I said I was gonna do it and I did it, which is why I think a lot of people struggle.

他们制定新年决心。

They make new year's resolutions.

他们说，今年我要做这件事。

They say, I'm gonna do this this year.

他们坚持了两周，然后就停止了，再也不做了。

And they do it for two weeks and then they stop and then they don't do it anymore.

这其中有很多原因，但我认为他们开始破坏自己对自己的信任，破坏了他们许下的诺言。

And there's many reasons for that, but I think they start to break the trust that they have with themselves, the word that they give to themselves, they're breaking.

所以我告诉人们：听好了，把你的目标设得更少一些。

So I say to people, listen, make your goals less.

也许就只做一件事，但每天都坚持做这件事，因为通过做这件事，你会逐渐建立起对自己的信任。

Maybe it's just one thing, but do that one thing every day because by doing that thing, you build up trust in yourself over time.

听起来你的训练方式也与此非常相似。

And it sounds very much that you have a similar approach to training.

你认为这有助于你建立对自己的信任吗？这当然是你在比赛过程中所需要的。

Do you think it helps you build that trust in yourself, which is what you of course need when you're in the middle of a race.

当然。

Absolutely.

正如你所知，始终坚持每一件事，不中断，能在我的承诺、训练和我自己之间建立起信任。

As you know, doing everything actually without missing is creating trust between my call, my trainings, and myself.

信任是我与我所做之事之间的水泥。

Trust is a cement between me and what I am doing.

信任具有巨大的价值。

Trust is of huge value.

如果你不加以维护，它可能会毁掉你。

It which can destroy you if you don't take care of it.

所以你需要好好地混合它。

So you need to mix it well.

你需要让这份信任真正地、实实在在地变得坚不可摧。

You need to make that trust actually real real make it real real hard.

因为，在我和我所做的事情之间，就是信任。

Because, you know, between me and what I'm doing is the trust.

但我尊重并把信任视为水泥。

But I respect and treat trust as a cement.

它必须非常坚固。

It needs to be really firm.

而且我正在以一种良好的方式前进。

And I'm moving on in a good way.

如果女人不够坚定，那你就可以随便了。

The woman is not firm, then you can go anyway.

人们需要在自律和同情之间保持怎样的平衡？

What's the balance people need to have between discipline and compassion?

我的意思是，我们被教导的自律是关于头脑掌控一切，对吧？

What I mean by that is discipline we get taught is about, the mind's in control, okay?

我说了我要做那件事，我就一定会做。

I said I was gonna do that, I'm gonna do it.

我说我要每天锻炼或散步一小时，我就一定会做到。

Said I'm gonna work out or walk for one hour a day, I'm gonna do that.

但有些时候，生活总会插一脚，对吧？

But on some days, of course, life can get in the way, okay?

人们可能很忙，家人生病了，或者自己受伤了，需要休息，不能活动。

People can be busy, one of their family members could be sick, maybe they've got an injury and they need to rest and not move.

那么，你如何看待自律和慈悲之间的平衡？自律就是说到做到，而慈悲则是有时候你需要善待自己，允许自己说：‘今天真的不行。’

So how do you see that balance between discipline, doing what you say you're gonna do, and compassion where you sometimes need to be kind to yourself and allow yourself to go, actually not today.

你知道，

You know,

我相信真正忙碌的人其实很少，大多数人并不忙。

I believe the real person, most of the human beings are not busy.

你完全可以醒来后好好规划一天。

You can wake up and plan your day as well.

除非你真的受了伤。

Unless otherwise, that you have something like an injury.

你有一些情况会阻止你做不到这一点。

You have something that can prevent you not doing that.

但其他任何事情你都可以自己安排，比如我在办公室，实际上下午1点之后，但我需要去接水并散步四十五分钟。

But any other thing you can plan yourself and say, I'm in my office after actually 01:00, but I need to grab water and walk for forty five minutes.

回来后洗个澡，再回办公室。

Come back, take shower, go back to the office.

这就是在创造时间。

That's creating time.

这个世界上没有人是真正忙碌的。

There is nobody who is busy in this world.

忙碌只是我们心中的想法。

Being busy is just in our minds.

但事实上，没有人是真正忙碌的。

But in reality, there is nobody who is busy.

是的。

Yes.

现在我想象会有听众听到这些，埃利奥特，他们可能会反驳说：埃利奥特，你不懂我的生活。

Now I imagine there'll be some people listening to that, Elliot, who might be pushing back and saying, Elliot, you don't understand my life.

我有两份工作要做。

I've got two jobs to do.

我没有人帮忙照顾孩子。

I don't have any help with my children.

我的生活很忙碌。

My life is busy.

你会对这样的人说什么？

What would you say to that person?

你知道吗，我总是告诉人们，在睡觉前，要明确明天要做什么。

You know, I always tell people, before you go to sleep, know what you will be doing tomorrow.

如果你早上醒来没有任何计划，就待在家里。

If you wake up in the morning without any plan, stay in your house.

晚上就去，拿张纸，写下明天要做的任务或约会。

In the evening, just go, cut a paper, write the assignments or appointments you will be doing tomorrow.

制定所有时间安排。

Create all the timings.

即使你确实做了两份工作，也总会有一些空隙可以利用。

Even if you are doing actually good two jobs, there will be a loophole somewhere where you can do something.

是的。

Yes.

所以，我相信规划是关键。

So, I believe planning is the key.

嗯。

Yeah.

如果你带着计划入睡，那是最好的。

If you sleep with your plan, that's the best.

但如果你没有带着计划入睡，明天早上你会觉得自己特别忙，其实并没有那么忙。

But if you don't sleep with your plan, tomorrow morning you feel like you are really crazy busy, but you are not busy.

是的，我喜欢这一点。

Yeah, I love that.

我 definitely 认为，至少对某些人来说，他们还没有花时间去问自己那些重要的问题，弄清楚生活中真正重要的是什么。

I definitely think for some people at least, they haven't taken the time to ask themselves the important questions, get clarity on what is truly important in life.

因此，缺乏清晰性意味着我们无法正确地设定优先级。

And so the lack of clarity means that we don't properly prioritize.

所以一切都感觉同样重要，对吧？

So everything feels equally important, right?

但其实并不是这样。

But it's not.

我知道你很喜欢写日记。

And I know you're a fan of journaling.

我也喜欢写日记。

I'm a fan of journaling.

作为我每日日记练习的一部分，我每天早上都会问自己一个问题：今天我必须做的最重要的事情是什么？

One of the questions I ask myself every morning as part of my journaling practice is what is the most important thing I have to do today?

这是一个非常简洁却极具力量的问题，因为在当今世界，许多人面临各种相互竞争的需求——工作、家庭、健身等等，这个问题迫使你每天早上都做出决定：今天我必须做的最重要的事情是什么？

And it's such a beautifully simple, but very powerful question because in a world where many people have all these competing demands, I've gotta do this for work or family or my fitness or whatever, that question forces you to make a decision every morning, what is the most important thing I have to do today?

然后你就去做了。

And then you go and do it.

是的。

Yes.

至于我，实际上在晚上，我会列一个清单。

On my side, actually in the evening, I get a channel.

写下我需要做的20件事。

Write 20 things that I need to do it.

明天早上醒来，去锻炼，然后回来。

Tomorrow morning, wake up, go to training, come back.

我没法把所有事都做完。

I cannot do all of them.

即使我只抽出两个小时做10件事，也足够了。

Even if I just jump out for two hours and do 10 things, that's enough.

剩下的事留到明天或下周再做。

The rest will come on the next day or next week.

别着急。

Don't rush.

只要你规划得当，知道自己优先做什么，就快速完成那些简单的事，其余的自然会陆续完成。

Provide that you're actually well planned and you know you are prioritized, do fast things fast, the rest will come in.

埃利ud，

Eliud,

你觉得你的谦逊和缺乏自我中心感来自哪里？

where do you think your humility and lack of ego comes from?

我认为，尊重人性并意识到自己在这个世界上的使命，赋予了我谦逊的力量，也让我能够摆脱自我中心。

I think respecting humanity and knowing having a purpose in this world is what has given me power of humility and power of actually drawing away ego.

我相信，我们都是人类。

I don't I believe that we are all human beings.

你知道，每天回到家时，你会问自己：我做了什么促进了人性？

You know, at the end of the day, you ask yourself when you when you arrive in your house, what did I do that promotes humanity?

我做了什么，既有利于自己，也有利于整个星球？

What did I do that they benefited me and the whole planet?

如果自负存在，它就会削弱你的思想，剥夺你的价值观，侵蚀你的精神力量，我们必须将其抛弃。

And if ego is there, that one has actually subtracted your mind, has subtracted your values, it has subtracted your spirit to walk, And we need to throw it away.

但谦逊能真正让你与他人建立联系。

But humbleness actually connects you with people.

谦逊能让你与这个世界上的每个人建立真实的连接。

Humbleness actually create a real connection with everybody in this world.

这就是我的力量。

And that's my power.

在你职业生涯的早期，你有过自负吗？

Did you have ego earlier on in your career?

我从未拥有过任何自负。

I have never possessed an ego at all.

你之前提到你是由单亲母亲抚养长大的，你认为你的成长环境影响了你对谦逊的理解吗？

Do you think your upbringing, you shared before that you were brought up by a single mother?

你认为童年的经历教会了你谦逊和同情心的重要性吗？

Do you think part of your childhood has sort of taught you about humility and the importance of compassion?

当然，我认为由单亲母亲抚养让我学到了很多东西。

Absolutely, I think being taken care of by a single mother is what has brought me to learn many things.

学会皮安波、特罗到埃科，因为你知道，我来自非洲。

Learn to Piampo, Troy to Eco, because you know, I come from Africa.

爸爸，像我来自肯尼亚，那里有不同的文化、传统文化，父亲在身边的孩子比由单亲母亲抚养的孩子更受重视。

Papa like I'm from Kenya, where we have different cultures, traditional cultures, whereby children with their fathers are more superior than children who have been taken care of by the single mothers.

我们感到自卑，因为我们没有父亲。

And we feel inferior because we don't have our fathers.

但我问自己，我要超越这一切。

But I ask myself, I will cut across all these things.

继续前进。

Move on.

用体育来赋能这个世界上的每一个人。

Use the sport to empower anybody and everybody in this world.

这正是我正在做的。

That's what I am doing.

嗯。

Yeah.

我平等地对待所有人。

I treat all the human beings in equal way.

我对每个人都会保持同样的爱、同样的尊重、同样的态度。

I keep the same love, the same respect, the same thing to every humanity.

嗯。

Yeah.

我看了过去几年伦敦马拉松的获奖者名单。

I was looking at the winners list of the London Marathon for the last few years.

在男子组比赛中，至少一直是肯尼亚人包揽冠军。

And in the men's race, at least, it's been a string of Kenyans.

是的。

Yes.

你认为为什么有这么多顶尖的肯尼亚马拉松选手呢？

Why is it do you think that there are so many elite Kenyan marathon runners?

是生理、心理，还是文化原因呢？

Is it the physiology, the psychology, the culture?

你觉得是什么原因呢？

What is it you think?

我认为是文化，以及

I think it's the culture and

思维方式。

the thinking.

是我们拥有的文化，让我们有足够的肌肉，高海拔环境也有帮助。

It's the culture that we have enough muscles, enough our high altitude holds as well.

而且我们有足够的耐力可以长时间跑步。

And we have energy to run for long.

所以东非能产出这么多长跑运动员。

That's why ST Africa is producing long distance runners.

但如果世界能走出自己的封闭圈，认识到我们所有人都是人类，都能以良好的方式竞争。

But if the world actually will come out of their cocoon, know that all of us, we are human beings, will compete in a good way.

在美国，费舍尔实际上打破了世界纪录，他是印度人。

In America, Fischer actually broke the world record, Hindu.

他不是肯尼亚人。

He's not a Kenyan.

莫法特住在英国。

Moffat is living in United Kingdom.

他在奥运会和世界锦标赛中赢得了众多金牌。

He won a lot of gold medals in Olympics and world championships.

是的。

Yeah.

世界上其他所有马拉松运动员现在都意识到，如果我们为此训练并坚持下去，我们也能达到别人的水平。

All other marathoners actually from across all over the world are now realizing that if we train for it and walk for it, we'll actually get to where people are.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yes.

我观看这些精英比赛时注意到的一点是，肯尼亚跑者似乎非常接近，至少从我观看的角度来看是这样。

One thing I notice when I watch these elite races is the Kenyan runners seem to be very close, at least from what I can tell when I watch it.

当你或另一位肯尼亚跑者看到另一位肯尼亚跑者表现优异时，似乎会有一种真正的喜悦。

There seems to be a real joy when you or another Kenyan runner sees another Kenyan runner do well.

你会说这种现象在肯尼亚确实存在吗？

Would you say that is something that exists in Kenya?

我们所有人都是yes。

Are we all yes.

人们是有竞争力的。

People are competitive.

他们希望表现优异，但当他们的同伴表现优异，即使对方击败了他们，他们也会感到高兴吗？

They wanna do well, but are they also happy when one of their comrades also performs well, even if that person beats them?

当然。

Absolutely.

正如你所知，大多数肯尼亚人实际上都尊重这项运动。

As you know, Kenyans most Kenyans actually respect the sport.

你知道，如果你想享受运动，就必须接受比赛的结果。

And you know that if you want to enjoy sport, you need to accept that the outcome.

因此，当肯尼亚人看到别人赢了并击败他们时，他们会感到高兴。

And that's why Kenyans are happy when they see somebody else is winning and beating them.

通过接受并享受，这才是真正热爱运动、让运动重获生机的唯一方式。

And by accepting and enjoying, that's the only way to laugh the sport and, you know, make the sport live again.

这是一个非常有趣的观点。

That's such an interesting point.

肯尼亚人尊重体育。

Kenyans respect the sports.

所以听起来，体育本身才是最重要的。

So it sounds as though the sport is the most important thing.

对吗？

Right?

我们要以与这项运动相关的价值观来行事。

That we conduct ourselves with the values associated with that sport.

现在我不认为所有国家作为一个整体都与体育有着这样的关系。

Now I'm not convinced that all countries as a generalization have that relationship with sports.

有些国家和文化在我看来更倾向于个人主义。

Some countries and cultures to me seem to be more individualistic.

这关乎我与这项运动的关系。

It's about me and my relationship with that sport.

我想成为最好的。

You know, I want to be the best.

而我成为最好的方式就是比别人更优秀。

And the way I can be the best is by being better than others.

你从来不像那种会这样想的人。

You've never struck me as someone who thinks like that.

我也想起了我们第一次交谈时你说过的一件事：你从不独自训练。

And I I'm also drawn to something you said in our first conversation together that you never train by yourself.

对吧？

Right?