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在让路易斯走之前。
Before we let Louis go.
嗯，我想提两件事。
Well, I wanna mention two
我想说点关于大卫·斯佩德的好话。
I wanna say something nice about David Spade.
标签不一样，因为标签就像额外的屁。
Tags are different because tags are they're like extra farts.
它们就像，你知道的，
They're just like you know
我的意思你明白吗？
what I mean?
如果人们真的喜欢开玩笑，他们就会长时间停顿，等掌声。
Just did did did did people if they really like to joke, they would just they'd take a long break of applause.
我当时就想，我到底该怎么做？
And I was like, what the am I supposed to do?
我就站在那儿，他们一直在鼓掌。
I'm standing there, and they're applauding.
他们把我的节目给停了。
They've they've shut down my show.
路易斯·CK。
Louis CK.
我不想吹牛，但算是我给了他一个起步的机会。
I don't wanna brag, but I kinda gave him a start.
不。
No.
我雇他做我的首席编剧，在那个命运多舛或者很棒的节目里，就是《达纳·卡维秀》，你怎么看都行。
I hired him as my head writer on the ill fated or great show, whatever you think about it, Dana Carvey Show.
《达纳·卡维秀》被讨论得很多，因为它确实……嗯。
So much discussed Dana Carvey Show because it's Mhmm.
它在历史上有一席之地。
It it had its place in history.
所以见到他挺开心的，因为好久没见了，他还说起自己当时有多紧张。
So it was fun to see him because it's been so long, and he was talking about how nervous he was.
我从来没觉得他紧张过，但看科尔伯特和卡雷尔他们表演，感觉挺新鲜的。
He never seemed nervous to me, but it was it was a new thing watching Colbert and Carell and all that.
哦，他在你节目上写稿的时候可是很紧张的。
Oh, he was nervous on your show when he was writing.
大概是1996年吧。
Like 1996.
他那时候就像刚高中毕业似的，或者说，对，二十出头。
He's like, you know, right out of high school or something or like Yeah.
不管他当时多大，反正挺有意思的。
Twenties or whatever he was, but it was interesting
而且他可以说是最顶尖的之一了。
to And he's arguably one of the best out there.
我是说，就纯脱口秀而言，他绝对排得上号。
I mean, for stand up, for just straight stand ups, he's in the discussion.
我们确实经常分析这些，我觉得有意思的是了解他的方法，比如他喜欢引入一些让人不舒服的前提，或者
We do break that down a lot, and I found it interesting just to get into, like, his methodology of what he likes to introduce very uncomfortable premises or
哦，对。
Oh, yeah.
然后让观众有点措手不及，接着他再把它拆解掉。
And gets the audience on their heels a little bit, and then he deconstruction deconstructs it.
让他们真正大笑，然后因为之前笑过而让他们感到羞愧。
Gets them really laughing, shames them for laughing at the previous one.
我是说，这是高水平的脱口秀。
I mean, it is high level stand up.
太棒了。
It's great.
他说的关于他的开场嘉宾的事，以及他如何挑战他，真的很有意思。
The things he was saying about his opener and how he was challenging him, so it's so interesting.
我得说，因为我们几乎全程都在聊纯粹的喜剧，分析一切，包括表演和笑话，他真是个语言大师。
I will say that because we talked pretty much just straight comedy the whole time, like breaking down everything and how the performance and the joke, he's such a wordsmith.
但我当时还能继续聊下去，我们很容易再请他一次，因为我们聊得没完没了。
But I was I could have gone on, we could do him again easily because we went on and on and on.
他对此非常严谨，而且很热爱。
He's he's a scientist about it and loves it.
他还有一本书出版了，叫《英格拉姆》，是一本真正的书。
He also has a book out, Ingram, which is a real book.
不是喜剧书，也不是他作为喜剧演员的生活。
It's not a comedy book, it's not his life as a comic.
《英格拉姆》是一个有点阴郁但引人入胜的故事，非常扣人心弦。
Ingram is a kind of a bleak, riveting It's a riveting story
讲的是一个年轻人小小年纪就离开家，经历各种事情的旅程。
about a young person's journey leaving their home at such a young age and everything they go through.
而且这本书的文风，你知道，就像约翰·斯坦贝克或马克·吐温那样。
And it's written, you know, in the world of John Steinbeck or Mark Twain.
也只有路易斯能写出这么好的书。
Leave it to Louis to write this great book.
对，评价很高。
With great reviews, yeah.
我是说，读第一章的时候我就想，根本不会知道这是路易斯写的。
I mean, read the first chapter and I'm like, would never know it was Louis.
就是写得很好，很有趣，对。
It was just this is a well written interesting, Yeah.
引人入胜的书。
Riveting book.
嗯，有《英格拉姆》，还有路易斯，他到处做喜剧，所以你认识他，他就在这里。
Well, there's Ingram and there's Louis and he's got he's doing comedy all over, so you know him and here he is.
坏消息是达纳来不了。
Bad news Dana could make it.
哦。
Oh.
哎呀。
Oh, boy.
嘿。
Hey.
好久
Long time
不见。
no see.
我知道。
I know.
看看这两位。
Look at these two.
你看起来一点都没变。
You look just the same.
他看起来挺好的。
He doesn't like he looks good.
我第一次见你的时候你多大？我是说，嘿。
How old were you when I first I mean Hey.
谢谢你们来做这个播客。
Thanks for the podcast.
不客气。
No.
其实已经开始了。
It's already started.
好。
Good.
之前说过了。
Say it before.
总是这样开始的。
It's always starting.
我们什么都没有。
We have nothing.
我们没有任何笔记。
We have no notes.
我们没有任何问题。
We have no questions.
好。
Good.
我们也没有任何声明。
And we have no statements.
好。
Good.
这就叫靠路易斯·CK撑起整个播客。
It's called carrying the podcast with Louis CK.
我有一句特别好听的话要对你说。
I have a really nice thing to say to you.
好的。
Okay.
那就从这句开始吧。
Let's start with it.
真的有好话要对你说。
Really nice thing to say.
我们这节目一直在录。
We're it's always on.
一直一直录着。
Always always rolling.
所以我觉得这挺温馨的，你会听到的。
So I thought this was kinda sweet, and you would hear it.
喜欢吧。
Like it.
所以我读了第一章，英格拉姆。
So I read the first chapter, Ingram.
我当时就想，天哪，天哪。
And I'm like, holy holy shit.
我是说，这到底是怎么回事？
I mean, what's going on here?
而且我妻子是个爱读书的人。
Like and my wife is a reader.
她什么都读，不只是文学小说。
Like, doesn't Okay.
她什么都读。
Alt fiction reads everything.
什么都读。
Everything.
所以我说，亲爱的，你能读一下这第一章吗？
So I said, honey, will you read this first chapter?
我刚去做了点别的事。
I just went and did a couple things.
她说，太不可思议了。
She goes, it's incredible.
我，我直接下单买了这本书。
I I just ordered the book.
哇。
Wow.
是不是很棒？
Isn't it great?
因为我想，哇。
Because I thought, wow.
我终于可以真心夸路易斯了。
I can give Louis an honest compliment.
不是拍马屁。
No kiss assing.
这完全是真事，必要的话我可以让我老婆接电话作证。
This is exactly what happened, and I'll put her on the phone if I have to.
但我想，你知道吗？
But I thought you know?
我跟丹尼斯聊过这事，他说，天哪。
And I talked to Dennis about it and goes, Christ's sake.
这里能不能把他变成下一个斯坦贝克？
Is the c can can turn it into the next Steinbeck over here?
我没跟丹尼斯谈过。
I didn't talk to Dennis.
但是没有。
But No.
我得说
I have to say
我也挺惊讶的。
I was a little shocked too.
我有一本书叫《英格拉姆》。
I has a book called Ingram.
英格拉姆。
Ingram.
我只读了第一章，因为达娜在谈论它。
And I just read the first chapter because Dana was talking about it.
他给我寄了这本书。
He sent me the book.
而且我很惊讶，这又是一个不同的举动，听着，喜剧演员会写书。
And I was astonished that it's one more different move that listen, comedians write books.
当然。
Sure.
我写了一本关于我生活的书，我写了一本关于愚蠢的、古怪的书。
I wrote a book about my life, I wrote a book about stupid Wacky books.
我的书又古怪又愚蠢，正是你想的那样。
Mine's wacky and stupid, exactly what you think.
五岁小孩都能写我的书。
A five year old could do mine.
甚至从第一段开始，我就想，好吧，我不知道这是谁写的。
It was even from the first paragraph, I'm like, okay, I wouldn't know who did this.
你明白我的意思吗？
You know what I mean?
这不像那种，哦，这是典型的路易斯。
It's not like, oh, this is typical, Louis.
所以就像是一个作家写了一本好书。
So it's just like a writer writing a great book.
事实上，我们那个小角色，我们那个人
Fact that our little character, our guy
你会这么投入，因为所有的事情都在发生，而他只是在描述。
You get so attached because all this stuff's happening and he's just describing it.
你知道，他没有情绪化，你懂吗？
You know, he's not emotional or you know?
所以它用另一种方式打动你，让你已经投入进去了。
And it's so it's getting you in a different way where you're invested already.
就像，这个小人物会怎么样？
Like, what is gonna happen to this little person?
你懂吗？
You know?
所以这真的很了不起。
So it's amazing.
我，我，谢谢。
I I Thanks.
我很想觉得自己能做到，但我……
I would love to think I could do that, but I
我做不到。
I can't.
我希望第二章节也一样精彩。
I hope the second chapter is as good.
它真的就垮掉了。
It really falls apart.
嗯，我不知道。
Well, I don't know.
我的意思是，光是句子构造这门艺术。
I mean, the art of it of just just the sentence construction.
所以某种程度上，你已经有了你的叙事。
So you've got your narrative in a way.
你有了你的故事，然后就像，不剧透的话。
You've got your story, and then it's like without giving it away.
我该怎么描述他爸爸走过呢？
How how will I describe his dad walking by?
你知道吗？
You know?
我觉得这就像一种修炼，你一直在坚持，当你找到那个感觉的时候，你会兴奋得不得了。
And I guess you're just it's a discipline, and you're just really going and when you get it, you're high as a kite.
就一句话？
Well One sentence?
我以前从来没做过这个。
It I had never done this before.
我写过小说。
I've written fiction.
我写过短篇小说。
I've written short stories
但那些都没发表过。
Which I've never done anything with.
这是我小时候最想做的事，比什么都想。
It's what I really wanna do when I was a kid, you know, more than anything.
所以最近几年我才开始写。
And and so I just started doing it last few years.
写这本书是因为我想听——我读了很多美国小说。
And this thing came because I just wanted to hear I read a lot of American fiction.
比如弗兰纳里·奥康纳、马克·吐温，还有福克纳那些人。
Like Flannery O'Connor, Mark Twain, and, you know, Faulkner, guys like that.
还有，那个谁？
But also like, you know, what's her name?
《杀死一只知更鸟》的作者。
The The Mockingbird.
他们记名字真的很差。
They're really bad with names.
《杀死一只知更鸟》的作者。
Killer Mockingbird.
厄玛·邦贝克。
Irma Bombach.
我开玩笑的。
I'm kidding.
苏珊·莫金伯德？
Susan Mockingbird?
对。
Yes.
苏珊·莫金伯德。
Susan Mockingbird.
我们怎么不知道她的名字？
Why don't we know her name?
查一下。
Look it up.
不是鸟。
Bird was no.
哈珀。
Har Harper.
哈珀·李。
Harper Lee.
哈珀·李。
Harper Lee.
所以，关于美国人的声音，有一种说法，就是美国人说话有一种优雅。
So anyway, there's this thing about the American voice, like the way that Americans that there's an eloquence to it.
另外，我读了很多关于亚伯拉罕·林肯的书，他好像是被一个比他多懂两样东西的人教育的。
Also, I read a lot about Abraham Lincoln and, like, he was, like, educated by somebody who knew two things more than him.
但是，美国这片土地有一种说话的方式。
But he there's this way that American, like, soil speaks.
说话。
Speaks.
我想以某种方式感受到那种声音。
And I wanted to feel that voice somehow.
我想看看，我是否有那种特质。
I wanted to see, do I have that in me?
你知道吗？
You know?
我在这里长大。
I was raised here.
我在美国是个男孩，我开始写这个孩子，这个孩子开始跟我说话。
I was a boy in America, and I started to write this kid's this kid started talking to
跟我说话。
me.
我在乎他，我想看看我的感受，写他就是照顾他的一种方式。
And I cared about him, and I wanted to see what I felt like writing him was a way of taking care of him.
但这些糟糕的事情总是发生在我身上，
But these terrible things kept happening to
我，然后我就
me, and I
只能想，妈的。
would just go, shit.
就像，
Was just like,
真该死。
god damn it.
我为什么要做这个？
Why am I doing this?
我希望我能。
I wish I could.
我希望有别的办法，但我能照顾他的方式，就是尽可能诚实、准确地描述他的感受和他的看法。
Wish I had another way, but the way I can take care of him is to give as honest and accurate an account of how what he's feeling and how he's seeing it.
我一直很佩服他，他能看清这一切，并且去反思。
And I kept being impressed that he's just sees it and he reflects on it.
而且他还能用诗意的语言去表达，有时候甚至带点幽默。
And he he's poetic about it, even sometimes humorous about it.
他就是这么处理发生在自己身上的事。
And he just processes what's happening to him.
他会说哪里疼，但不会抱怨疼。
And he says when it hurts, but he doesn't complain when it hurts.
你明白我的意思吗？
You know what I mean?
他就是试着继续做下去，
Just tries to do it the
第二天。
next day.
这很老派。
It's very old school.
我对很多事情都特别着迷。
I'm fascinated by a lot of things.
我，你知道，上的是州立大学。
I I, you know, went to state college.
但是
But
我什么大学都没上过。
I didn't go to any college.
比我强。
Over me.
还有谁没上过大学？
Who else didn't go to college?
那是个天才。
It's a genius.
都是喜剧演员。
All comedians.
都是喜剧演员。
All comedians.
克里斯·洛克。
Chris Rock.
口头语言的力量。
The the power of the spoken word.
所以现在各种媒体层出不穷，各种类型都有。
So we have all this media coming out, all different kinds.
但几年前我去过林肯纪念堂。
But I'd gone a few years ago, and I went to the Lincoln Memorial.
我们在里面，我抬头一看。
We're inside, and I just looked up.
我读了葛底斯堡演说，当时眼泪就流下来了。
I read the Gettysburg Address, and now I just had tears coming down.
口头语言的力量仍然是首屈一指的。
The power of the spoken word is still number one with the bullet.
我是凯西·卡森。
I'm Casey Cason.
没有什么比这更有力量了。
There's still nothing more powerful.
所以，我并不是说，比美国书面文字更有力量。
So I didn't Than the written American word.
所以这就是为什么我无法想象那种满足感，我猜你收到了很多关于完成这件事的反馈，你知道，这真是一项了不起的成就。
The original American So that's why I can't imagine the satisfaction, and I assume you've gotten a lot of feedback on accomplishing that, you know, it's quite an achievement.
嗯，写的时候其实挺焦虑的，担心自己完不成。
Well, was sort of anxious as I wrote it that I would not finish it.
我知道有一个完整的故事要讲。
I knew that there was a whole story to tell.
大概三天后我就知道这会是一本书。
Knew it was a book after about three days.
我当时就想，这肯定是一本书。
I was like, this is a book.
我得讲一个很长的故事。
I gotta tell a long story here.
我不知道它会往哪里发展。
I didn't know where it was going.
没有，哦，你
Didn't Oh, you
没有像电影那样把情节都规划好。
didn't have it like mapped out like a movie.
对，没有那样做。
No, didn't do that.
我就是每天坐下来，然后想，接下来发生了什么？
I just would sit down every day and go, so what happened?
然后
And
他离房子越来越远了。
He's getting farther away from the house.
那后来发生了什么？
So what happened?
真是的。
Like fuck.
他回来了吗？好。
Does he come Okay.
你是在实时跟书对话。
You're speaking to the book in real time.
那今天发生了什么？
So what happened today?
今天发生了什么？
What happened today?
那现在又发生了什么？
And what happened now?
然后有些时候我觉得那算是第一部分。
And then there was points where I kind of felt like that's part one.
就像突然击中了我。
Like it just hit me.
那是第一部分。
That's part one.
我们之后会讲到，或者马上就会讲到，但有些东西已经变了。
And we're going to later or maybe we're going to right after but something has shifted.
而且我能感觉到他的声音随着他变老而变得更加流畅，这在某种程度上说不通，因为一切都是过去时。
And I would feel his voice start to get more eloquent as he got older, which in a sense doesn't make sense because it's all in past tense.
让我一直觉得还好的一件事是，这一切都是过去时。
The one thing that kept me feeling okay about it was that it was all in the past tense.
所以我就想，他没死。
So I'm like, he's not dead.
你可以控制。
You could control.
你还是那个幕后操纵者。
You're still the puppet master.
但读小说的时候，我从来没有那种感觉。
I never feel that way though with fiction.
你觉得是它在推动你。
You feel like it's driving
对。
you.
我觉得我有责任把故事讲清楚。
I feel like I've got a responsibility to report what sort of the story is.
感觉我做不到。
Feel like I can't do this.
在这里讲不通。
It won't make any sense right here.
嗯，这有点像雕刻一座雕塑。
Well, it's kinda like carving a a sculpture.
就像石头已经在那里了。
It's like the the rock is there.
你可以试着从中找点什么，但真正有什么不是你能决定的。
You can you can try to find something in it, but it's not up to you what's really there.
你懂我的意思吗？
You know I mean?
从某种意义上说，这有点像……
In a sense, that's a little bit I
我觉得最难的一点是，如果你有注意力缺陷多动症，你想到一个点子，写了25页，然后就想，天哪，我是不是还有另一个点子，你
think one of the hard parts if you if with ADD prevalent is like you get to an idea and you go 25 pages like, God, should I I have this other idea, you
知道吗？
know?
也许我应该去写那个点子。
Maybe I'll go to this other idea.
所以要坚持一件事那么久。
So stick to one thing for that long a time.
我以前觉得自己做不到，但过去几年我对自己做了很多功课，嗯。
I didn't think I could do that, but I've done a lot of work over the last few years on myself and on my Mhmm.
这里发生了什么。
What's going on in here.
所以我的心态更平静了。
So I've got a calmer spirit.
写完这本书之后，我又写了一本。
I wrote another book after this one.
我想建立，所以我只是想
I wanna build So I just wanted
继续下去。
to keep going.
这种平静的心态需要多长时间才能形成？
How long does it take for this Calmer spirit.
对，没错。
Yeah, that's right.
挺好的。
It's good.
这就是全部的重点。
Well that's the whole thing.
这就是耶稣对他的门徒们说的话。
That's what Jesus said to his disciples.
愿你们平安，我赐给你们平安，平安。
Peace be with you, peace I give you, peace.
平安。
Peace.
他是这么说的吗？
That he said?
当然。
Absolutely.
我不记得了。
I don't remember that.
哦，对。
Oh, yeah.
他说了很多。
He talked a lot.
愿平安与你同在。
Peace be with you.
他是在哪部电影里说的？
Which movie did he say that?
就是那部，你知道的，
The one with, you
《耶稣受难记》。
know Passion of Christ.
他叫梅尔·吉布森。
His name's Melvin Gibson.
对。
Yes.
梅尔·吉布森要出新片了，讲复活的故事。
Melvin Gibson's coming out with the resurrection.
他打算
He's gonna
找到，是的。
find Yeah.
嗯，那是件好事。你小时候去过教堂吗？还是你
Well, he that's a nice thing about did you to church when you're a kid or do you
还是路德宗，现在是天主教徒，以前是路德宗。
still Lutheran, Lapsed Lutheran, now I'm a Catholic.
所以我是在天主教堂长大的，是的。
So I grew up in Catholic church Yeah.
然后你会转向旁边的人说“愿你平安”。
And and you'd turn to your neighbors and say peace be with you.
是的。
Yes.
我一直很喜欢那部分。
And I always liked that part of it.
那是我现在最喜欢的部分。
That was that is my current favorite part.
因为我意识到那是最好的礼物。
Because I realized that is the greatest gift.
举起手，和旁边的人握手。
Raise shake hands with somebody next to you.
你握手
You shake hands
你说一些有点老套又好笑的话。
You say something kinda old and funny feeling.
愿平安与你同在。
Peace be with you.
你不会说那个
You don't say that
在现实生活中。
In real life.
不。
No.
当你离开农贸市场去山谷的时候。
When you're leaving the farmer's market To the valley.
去山谷。
To the valley.
你连接起来。
You connect
至于达纳，他们一有钱就想收紧。
to And Dana, when they get money, they want tighten it.
他们去。
They go
投个25美分进去。
put a 0.25 in
达纳就说，对。
and Dana goes, yeah.
我不喜欢这部分。
Don't like this part.
你会培养出更多的同理心。
You get you foster more empathy.
你会成为一个更好的人，你知道的。
You become a better person, you know.
你只是
You're just
在传承两千年前的这些教诲。
fostering these teachings from 2,000 years ago.
但你不同意。
You don't agree though.
你似乎有点反对
You seem a little against
它。
it.
不是。
No.
我有点
I got
刚才有点迷路了。
lost a little bit ago.
约翰尼。
Johnny.
他还在英格拉姆。
He's still on Ingram.
那个名字怎么拼？
How do you spell that name?
我还是像，我g，不，我n g，英格拉姆是他的
I still am like I g, no, I n g, and Ingram was his
名字。
name.
没错。
That's right.
没错。
That's right.
现在他是口述的，难道沙纳没有为英格拉姆做过口述专辑吗？
Now he is a spoken, didn't Shatner do a spoken word album on Ingram?
这个以后会出来的。
It's gonna come out later.
希望如此。
I hope so.
当然。
Sure.
我会想要那种，你知道，诠释。
I would want that like a, you know, interpretation.
你不喜欢那个灰色的高，你叫它，高速公路上的灰色手臂。
Didn't like the gray high you call it, the gray Arms on the highway.
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灰色的
The gray
公路。
road.
手臂像风中的工具一样在棚子里摆动，也许吧。
Arms swinging like tools in the shed in the wind possibly.
差不多是这样。
Something like that.
那是他爸爸。
That was his dad.
这让你想起自己的童年了吗？
What makes me thought did it make you go back to your own childhood?
因为我们都知道，他小时候过得特别顺，含着金汤匙。
Because we all I mean, he had a really that silver spoon, easy childhood.
你在哪里长大的？
Where'd you grow up?
我是那个
I'm the
乔·迪特那种人。
Joe Dirt guy.
我是亚利桑那的。
I'm Arizona.
他经历了不少艰难。
He had some rough and tough.
但你是乔·迪特，还是
But were you Joe Dirt or
乔，我有点像那样。
Joe I was a little bit like that.
连英格拉姆都让我想起了一点。
Even Ingram reminded me that a little bit.
从一无所有开始，然后父母不在了，我不想把整部电影都剧透完。
It started from sort of nothing and then parents are gone in the I don't wanna give the whole movie book away.
但我在亚利桑那州长大，你知道，中产、下层，随便怎么说。
But I grew up in Arizona, you know, middle, lower, whatever.
爸爸离开了，所以我们有三个男孩，妈妈只能拼命工作，打两份工来养活我们。
Dad left, so we had three boys, mom just trying to work, and two jobs to keep us around.
但她又想在家陪我们，可请保姆要花多少钱呢？
But trying to be home, but also how much do you pay a babysitter?
那点钱就是他挣的那么多。
That's how much he's making.
对，是的。
But Yeah.
一旦爸爸说走就走，真的就没有什么计划了。
Once the dad splits on a dime, there's really no plan.
就只剩下，你们几个还好吗？
It's just, are you guys good?
我妈妈也是这样，一个人把我们拉扯大的。
That's what my mom was raised us alone.
我爸在我十岁那年离开了。
My dad left when I was 10.
好的。
Okay.
然后我妈去工作了。
And my mom worked.
我爸一分钱都没给。
My dad didn't contribute anything
所以呢，
either So
我妈就说，好吧孩子们，我有四个孩子，然后她说，我有个微波炉。
my mom was like, all right guys, I have four kids and she's like, I got a microwave.
那可是件大事。
That was the big move.
我们有了个微波炉。
We got a microwave.
棚子里有一份冷冻快餐。
There's a lean cuisine in the shed.
对。
Yes.
所以你们就抢那个吧。
So fight over that.
那是晚安镜头里的。
That's on the good night shot.
热狗每个三十秒。
Hot dogs are thirty seconds each.
我记得她跟我们说
I remember her telling us
薯饼。
Tater tots.
那就是你判断任何东西微波炉加热时间的方法。
That's how you figure out how long to microwave anything.
热狗就是三十秒。
You just hot dog's thirty seconds.
所以如果看起来像两个，就加热六十秒。
So if it looks like two, make it sixty.
你懂我的意思吗？
You know what I mean?
就像热狗的大小是单位一样。
Like the size of a hot dog was the unit.
那挺好的。
That's nice.
她七点回到家。有时候我想给她做点吃的，你懂的。
And she came home at 07:00 And sometimes I'd wanna make her something, you know.
但我一个人在家，而且我在郊区长大，所以我们这些孩子就在街上玩。
But I was alone, and I I grew up in a suburb, so we just own this kids just own the streets.
你就直接出去了。
You just went out.
没人知道你在哪儿。
Nobody knew where you were.
那时候抚养费都是可给可不给的。
Child support was optional back then.
对。
Yes.
还有比这更糟的。
There's only one thing worse.
有人还不要呢。
People passed on it.
那倒是。
Then Yeah.
挺奇怪的，对吧？
It's weird, isn't it?
他们当时就像
That they were like
我爸直接拒绝了。
My dad took a hard pass.
有比爸爸离开更糟的事。
There is one thing worse than the dad leaving.
那是什么？
What's that?
爸爸留下来。
Dad stays.
留下来，而且他……
Stays and he's
对，是的。
and Yes.
确实。
It is.
绝对是的。
Definitely.
我不是
I'm not
我很庆幸我爸不在身边。
I'm glad my dad wasn't around.
你做到了？
You did?
我很庆幸他不在身边。
I'm glad he wasn't around.
你后来和他和解了吗？
Did you ever reconcile with him?
或者
Or
他大概就待了几分钟。
He for, like, a few minutes.
哦，好的。
Oh, okay.
我们聊了十二分钟，感觉就像，我愿意接受这个。
We had, a twelve minute conversation that felt like, I'll I'll take that.
那挺好的。
That's good.
他就像在说，我们这边没问题吧？
He's like, we good here?
对，是的。
That's Yeah.
当然。
Sure.
《我们如何遇见你的母亲》是《老爸老妈浪漫史》的重看播客，由我和乔什·拉德纳以及联合创作者克雷格·托马斯主持。
How We Made Your Mother is the How I Met Your Mother rewatch podcast with me, Josh Radner, and series cocreator Craig Thomas.
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Well, our guest today is the great Bob Odenkirk.
我想告诉你，那个演员阵容，艾莉森、托比和尼尔
I wanna tell you, that cast, Allison and Toby and Neil
还有杰森和你，你们当时……
and Jason and you, you were
你们特别积极，特别有干劲。
so upbeat at gung ho.
你们那种精神状态，我当时真的以为，你们是不是在模仿或者调侃这个？
The spirit that you guys had was like I I actually thought it was like, are you being are you mocking this?
你们是不是在讽刺？
Are you are you being sarcastic?
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Follow How We Made Your Mother wherever you get your podcasts.
那你呢？
What about you?
你很可爱。
You're cute.
你人很好。
You're nice.
严厉的父亲。
Tough dad.
我父亲？
My dad?
严厉的父亲？
Tough dad?
见过一些世面。
Saw some stuff.
而且我，我就是，不管好坏，我小时候就长了一张迪士尼脸。
And I I just was I I got for better for worse, got a Disney face when I was young.
你就是靠这个活下来的？
That's how you survived?
我就是一张迪士尼脸。
I was a Disney face.
所以我上台，头发乱糟糟的，会模仿各种声音，笑得不行，没人，人们会说，嗯，你有个好童年。
So I'd go on stage and I have shaggy hair and I'd knowing all these voices and laugh my ass off and no one and people would go, well, you had a great child.
我是说，什么？
I mean, what?
你知道吗？
You know?
那一切都是假象。
It was all just an illusion.
当然，是假象。
Of course, it was.
但这会走向一些相当黑暗的地方。
But it's it goes to some pretty dark places.
我也是。
Same.
我也是。
Same.
所以，是的。
So Yeah.
当男孩，我是说，那是我熟悉的，而且我知道那不容易。
Being a boy is I mean, that's the one I know, and I know it's tricky.
是的。
Yep.
而且你会感到有点孤独。
And you're a little alone in it.
有一种文化观念，就是男孩应该这样做，你知道吗。
There there is a cultural thing of, you do you do this, you know, for boys.
这得靠你自己，至少对我们这一代，也许是我这一代来说是这样。
It's on you, at least for for our generation, maybe my generation.
就是说，这得靠你自己。
Like, this is on you.
而且我确实有一个很棒的妈妈。
And I I did have a great mom.
我妈妈是个很棒的人，她一个人带大了四个孩子，嗯。
My mom was a fantastic person, and she was very she was raising four kids by herself Mhmm.
一边工作。
While working.
所以，是的。
So Yeah.
她虽然有自己的底线，但她是个很好的朋友，尤其是在成年后，后来更是如此。
She had limits that were just there, but she was a great friend, especially in adulthood late later.
她是我打过的最好的电话。
She was the best phone call I would ever have.
现在我还是会想起她的声音。
I still she's the voice I reach to.
我觉得，“英雄”这个词被用得太随意了，但一个单亲妈妈，全职工作，还要带四个孩子，并且都挺过来了，是的。
I think that, you know, the word heroes tossed off a lot, but a single mom working full time with four kids and making it through Yeah.
让每个人都顺利成长。
Just getting everyone through.
那些牺牲。
The sacrifices
让每个人都挺过来。
Getting everyone through.
生活就是这样。
Life is just on the way.
没什么。
Nothing.
深刻。
Deep.
不约会。
No dating.
不不。
No no
算了。
Forget it.
忘了吧。
Forget that.
就是嗯。
Just mhmm.
你还好吗？
Are you okay?
你有吃的吗？
Do you have a food?
我们留个苹果吗？
Do we leave an apple?
你是
Are you
就这样。
That's it.
然后来点小幽默。
And then a little humor.
总是要有点小幽默。
Always a little humor.
她总是那样，嗨。
She was always like, hey.
不是
Not a
我记得有一次我去上学，当时我惹了很多麻烦。
good I remember once I was going off to school and I was in a lot of trouble.
我刚惹了一堆麻烦，然后去学校面对那些事。
I had just caused a lot of problems and I was going to school to face them.
我妈妈在我出门时对我说，嘿，别让他们把你打击得太厉害。
And my mom said to me on the way out the door, hey, Don't let them get you down that bad.
我们在家里爱你。
We love you here at home.
你是被爱着的。
You're loved.
天哪。
Jeez.
真是
What a
可惜。
shame.
她就是这样送我出门的，好像这又不是世界末日。
That's how she sent me out the door like, this isn't the end of the world.
去吧，面对它，但是
Like, go face it, but
这太他妈的烦人了。去他们的。
It's so freaking Fuck them.
我觉得对孩子说
I feel smart thing to say to
挺聪明的。
a kid.
我害怕让我妈操心。
Was scared to stress my mom out.
所以，你知道，
So, you know,
比如，做错了什么事
like, do something wrong
在学校或者成绩不好。
in school or bad grades.
我成绩一直很好，我就想，我得继续保持，因为她会特别开心。
I was getting good grades, and I'm like, I gotta keep this shit up because she gets so happy.
我做不到。
I couldn't do it.
我成绩差得要命。
I had terrible grades.
而且有一段时间我吸毒很多，我我我让她特别操心。
And I had a period of just doing a lot of drugs, and I I I stressed her out a lot.
看到她那么焦虑，我心里特别难受。
It hurt just to see her how stressed out she was.
你有没有
Did you
告诉她我很快就要成为百万富翁了？
tell her I will be a millionaire soon?
我从来没有
I never
让她稍微放松一点。
Just relax her a little bit.
但我做到了。
But I did it.
我做到了，她也确实看到了这一切发生。
I did she did get to see it happen.
那真是太棒了。
That's the greatest.
难以置信。
Unbelievable.
因为我会把百分之百都给我妈。
Because it's all I would give a 100 of it to my mom.
就像，我根本不可能
Like, I would never have
走到
gotten to
那一步。
that scene.
什么都没有，然后上了电视，赚了很多钱。
Nothing and then becomes gets on TV and makes a lot of money.
这就像一场梦一样。
It's it's like a fever dream.
感觉就像，真的发生了吗？
It's almost like, did it really is it really did it happen?
你是说对家人来说吗？
You mean for the family?
对于我们家，我的兄弟姐妹或者我自己来说，这种可能性有多大。
The family, my siblings or myself, the likelihood of it.
你知道吗，我要是说出来，肯定会被笑话的。
You know, I would tell I get laughed out of the room.
当我开始做脱口秀的时候，邻居们会说，不管你最后做什么，这多少能帮你增加点自信。
And when I started doing stand up, know, the neighbors would go, well, whatever you really end up doing, this will kinda help your confidence.
你懂吗？
You know?
我高中里没有人，从来没有人上过电视。
There was nobody in my high school, nobody has ever gotten on TV.
没有。
It's No.
通常就40个人。
40 people usually.
选择。
Option.
甚至在我们做你的节目的时候，也没有
Not even a when we were working on your show, there was
你是说《Dana Carvey秀》吗？
You mean the Dana Carvey Show?
《Dana Carvey秀》。
Dana Carvey Show.
我们来聊聊这个。
Let's get into that.
ABC电视台。
ABC.
ABC电视台。
ABC.
在晚上九点半。
At 09:30.
完美的时段。
Perfect time slot.
我们怎么会把那个领域搞砸了？
How do we fumble that whole niche?
是的。
Yes.
所以当时我们为演员阵容进行试镜，有个叫凯瑞·普鲁萨的家伙来试镜了。
So that that there we had auditions for cast members and a guy named Carrie Prusa auditioned.
他非常棒，我不知道他现在在哪，但他表演了他的一个角色。
And he was a wonderful I don't know where he is now, but he did one of his he did characters.
他就站在房间里，我们大概有五个人。
He just stood in the room and there was like five of us.
其中一个角色是我叔叔，当我告诉他我要为这个节目试镜时。
And one of his characters was my uncle when I told him I was auditioning for this show.
然后他叔叔说，
And his uncle goes,
你永远不可能上什么节目。
you ain't never gonna be on no date.
那些都是专业演员。
Those are professional actors.
我打赌你绝对
Bet you ain't
上不了台。
never gonna be on.
我们差点就因为那个把角色给他了。
And we almost wanted to give it to him because of that.
就凭那个。
Just based on that.
对。
Yes.
那是个很棒的表演。
It's great take.
但是，你知道的
But, you know
但是，是的，虽然如此，但别……作为一个男孩，我觉得英格拉姆就像没有妈妈的我，或者说有一个被压得喘不过气的妈妈，那种沉重感让她实在承受不了。
But, yeah, being so but don't Being a boy is it is it's it's I feel like Ingram is like me without my mom in a sense, or a mom that was just so inundated, and so the heaviness on a person that she just couldn't.
妈妈那部分真的触动了我，即使是在第一章。
The mom part got to me, even in chapter one.
我还没看到他参加《星探》那部分，但我知道故事会往那个方向发展。
I haven't gone to the part where he's on Star Search, but I know it's where it's headed.
这让我很意外。
It took me by surprise.
这就是故事的走向。
This is where it's going.
太 predictable 了。
It's so predictable.
英格拉姆就像在说，我做到了，我成功了。
Ingram's like, I did it, I made it.
我想多听听你们刚开始做这个节目时的故事。
I wanna hear more about the show when you guys started.
谁先找到谁的？
Who found who?
是你找到路易斯的吗？
Did you find Louis?
斯米格尔说，
Smigel said,
去见路易斯。
Go meet Louis.
所以我们就在布里斯坦·格雷见的面。
So we met at at Brilstein Gray.
他当时还是个满脸稚气的小伙子。
He was a fresh faced kid.
谁在带你？
Who was handling you?
有人在带你吗？
Was someone handling you?
我当时不在布瑞尔斯坦公司。
I wasn't with Brilstein.
我当时在给柯南写稿。
I was writing on Conan.
好的。
Okay.
然后我在柯南那边干了两年，结果把自己彻底累垮了。
Then I was on Conan for two years, and it just burnt me right out.
我记得你说过
I remember you saying
在台下说过。
this off stage.
那工作实在太辛苦了。
It was just too hard.
因为每期节目，他们都当成是周六夜现场那样来对待。
It was because every show, they treated it like it was SNL every night.
就像，每天晚上都是这样。
Like, was every night.
我能想象得到。
I could imagine.
所以等结束的时候，我都老了，那时候我才25岁。
So I was, like, old when it was over, and I was 25.
日播节目很累人，因为你们做了很多段子和短剧。
Daily shows are beating because you guys did a lot of bits and sketches.
大量的
Tons
段子。
of bits.
而且就像，天哪，这真是
And just like fuck, it's
不是，而且
not And
那两年我在的时候，这个节目就是被骂得很惨。
the show was, for those two years that I was there, just hated.
就是
It was
你被骂得很惨？
You got the hated ones?
对。
Yes.
所以，是的。
And so Yeah.
就是很难，很难，很难，很难，很难。
It just was hard, hard, hard, hard, hard.
后来我短暂地去给莱特曼写稿，因为我想以单口喜剧演员的身份上那个节目。
And then I went and wrote for Letterman for a short while because I wanted to be on there as a stand up.
基本上有人告诉我，如果你在节目里写稿，也许他们会——如果你把写稿的工作辞了，也许他们会——我照做了。
And I basically got told if you write on the show, then maybe they'll if you take the writings off, so maybe they'll I did it.
那对我来说也不是什么好的经历。
And that wasn't a good experience for me.
然后，然后你们就开始了你们的
And then and then you guys started your
节目。
show.
所以我
So I
你表现得很好，而且你超级爱恶作剧。
you were great, and you're super prankster.
所以，但从我的角度来看。
So but think of my point of view.
所以我有了这个节目。
So I have this show.
这节目之所以这样，某种程度上是个灾难，但我甚至在它开始之前就想让它结束。
There's for a reason, it's a disaster in a way, but I want it out even before it started.
那真的太过了，我记得很清楚。
It was way too I was I remember that.
我当时已经准备好了。
I was ready to go.
就像希瑟·摩根会进来给我推销小品。
It was just like because Heather Morgan would come in and pitch me sketches.
我就说，什么什么？
I go, I'm what what?
我还在为《周六夜现场》的角色拼命呢。
I was just fighting for parts on SNL?
现在却有了自己的节目。
Now I'm in my own show.
你就是那个号角。
You're the horn.
好吧，我当时不知道有史蒂夫·卡瑞尔和斯蒂芬·科尔伯特，对吧。
Well, I didn't know I had Steve Carell and Stephen Colbert, Right.
我特别崇拜他们。
Who I adored.
第一天跟他们排练的时候，我就想，我肯定生疏了。
The first day I rehearsed with them, said, I must be rusty.
我肯定生疏了。
I must be rusty.
为什么这么说？
Because How so?
因为你
Because you
因为他们实在太
because they were just so
他们配合得很默契。
They're together quick.
年轻好几岁，又没有孩子。
Years younger, no kids.
他们就像，就像……
They were just like like
而且特别有才华，你知道吗。
And brilliant, you know.
我肯定生疏了。
I must be rusty.
但后来我回到生活中，就想，哦，卡瑞尔，哦，科尔伯特。
But so I'm sitting back in life, and I go, oh, Carell's oh, Colbert.
然后我就想，哦，他们，对。
And I'm like, oh, they're Yeah.
他们很有干劲。
They're hungry.
这就是其中一个不同之处。
That's one of the odds.
两个演员，都是剧组成员，而他们的电影明星简直太厉害了。
Two guys, cast members, and their their movie star is incredible.
他有自己的节目什么的。
He's got his show and everything.
然后，哦哦，路易斯。
And like, oh oh, Louis.
哦，我差点脸红了。
Oh, I almost blushed.
天哪，路易斯。
Oh my goodness, Louis.
路易斯可能成了最伟大的单口喜剧演员。
Louis became the greatest stand up, potentially.
嗯，我讨厌这样说，因为他是个好人，但我们当时和安德鲁·桑蒂诺在一起。
Well, I hate because I do he's a nice guy, but we were here with Andrew Santino.
他就是
He's just
好孩子。
Nice kid.
是的。
I do.
我喜欢这样。
I like that.
他也很有趣。
He's funny too.
随口一提，路易斯是最棒的脱口秀演员。
Casually as a throwaway go, well, Louis is the greatest stand up.
哦，那真好。
Oh, that's nice.
我只是告诉你，听到这个很开心。
I'm just telling you, I hear that's fun to hear.
哦，听到这个感觉真好。
Oh, it feels good to hear.
是吗？
Does it?
好的。
Okay.
因为我不想让它听起来像
Because I don't want it to come off like
我尊重那一点。
I respect that something.
桑蒂诺。
Santino.
他很好。
He's good.
他真的很好。
He's really good.
不。
No.
他刚才说得好像那很糟糕。
He just said it like it was just bad.
而且我不知道我们能不能聊那个，但那个故事确实挺有意思的。
And I don't know that we can talk about that, but it is sort of interesting, that story.
我知道你讲过很多次了。
I know you've told a lot.
你可以说说你那边的情况。
You can picture your side.
在台上要坦诚。
Being honest on stage.
然后事情就从那儿发展下去了。
And then it just went from there.
不过我想说说你的节目，就是那个《Dana Carvey秀》。
Well, I wanna say though about your show, the Dana Carvey Show.
塔可钟的Dana Carvey。
Taco Bell Dana Carvey.
塔可钟，有时候还有那个激浪的Dana。
Taco Bell, sometimes the Mountain Mountain Dew Dana
卡维。
Carvey.
有时候。
Sometimes.
帝国会议。
The Empire Session.
在塔可钟之后。
After Taco Bell based.
说到这个，对。
Talk about I yeah.
吉米·坎摩尔，我们当时失去了所有观众。
Jimmy Kimmel, we were losing everybody.
我们确实是的。
We were Yeah.
那就像，每天都是这样。
It it was like That was every day.
其实我觉得媒体当时在报道说我们快撑不住了，对。
I think actually the press was reporting that we were losing Yeah.
尽管这是我们自己设计好的。
Sponsors even though we we we had engineered it that way.
我们让百事公司赞助了节目，然后请他们每周换一个不同的品牌来投放。
We got PepsiCo to sponsor the show, and we asked them to put a different one of their brands on every week.
哦，是的。
Oh, yes.
对，这是我们自己的主意。
We were shift it was our idea.
哦。
Oh.
但媒体就说，哦，看来塔可钟撤资了。
But the press was like, oh, I guess Taco Bell bailed.
不是。
No.
我们是故意换的。
We switched on purpose.
我们是有计划的。
We had a plan.
但我们的想法是找一家母公司，能让我们每周换不同的赞助商。
But we the idea was to get a company that a parent company that would let us have a different sponsor every week.
跟踪狂。
Stalker.
不过话说回来，我当时很年轻。
But anyway, for me, I was very young.
我完全超出了自己的能力范围，因为我是这个节目的主编。
I was way in over my head for the job that I was the head writer of the show.
我不这么认为。
I don't think so.
而且我完全不知道该怎么
And I had no idea how to
压力山大。
Stressful.
天哪。
God.
那段时间压力太大了，是我人生中最有压力的时候。
It was so stress it was the most stressful time in my life.
我五十多岁了，抱歉，是八岁。
In my 50 I'm eight years sorry.
那是我做过的最有压力的工作。
That was the most stressful job I ever had.
但是，当那些压力消散之后。
But and I was of that stress melts away.
我从中得到了巨大的教育。
I'm left with a massive education I got from it.
但是，和你一起工作对我来说意义重大。
But but working with you was a big deal for me.
你简直是传奇人物。
You were legendary.
我们做那个节目的时候你多大？
How old were you when we did the show?
61岁。
61.
不对。
No.
我当时40岁。
I was I was 40.
是不是很有趣，我们当时
Isn't that funny that we're
41岁。
41.
我们比所有人都年轻。
We were younger than all of us.
我们那时候可年轻了。
We were way young.
四十岁，四十岁简直是光年之外的事。
Forty forty is another is light years
对我来说。
for me.
哦哦，是的。
Oh oh, yeah.
而且你是，但我喜欢和你合作，因为你有那种深厚的传统喜剧背景，你是纯正的。
And you were the but I loved working with you because you were you had this great deep traditional background of comedy, and you were a purebred.
你就是个，你知道，名人堂级别的人物。
You're just you're just a, you know, hall of fame guy.
你很擅长
You're great at
你做的事情。
what you do.
谢谢
Thank
你。
you.
你现在依然很棒。
And you still are.
而且
And
我们在录音吗？
Are we recording?
只是想确认一下。
Just wanna make sure.
我们刚找到一个片段。
We just found a clip.
请继续。
Go ahead.
太好了。
So good.
而且你人非常好，也很慷慨地分享了你过去的经历和故事。
But and you're very kind and you were very generous with sharing your history and stories about where you'd been.
我记得有一次，因为当时我还在做单口喜剧，就在那个节目上。
And I remember one time, because I was still doing stand up when I was on that show.
我在莱特曼秀上做了第二次表演，然后我就直接下班跑过去上了莱特曼的节目。
And I did my second shot on the Letterman show, and I just sort of left work and ran over and did Letterman.
然后我又回来上班了。
And I came back to work.
第二天，你说，你昨晚是不是上了莱特曼的节目？
And the next day, you said, weren't you on Letterman last night?
我当时就说，是的，先生。
And I was like, yes, sir.
就像我只是一个在那里工作的普通人一样。
Like, I was just sort of like a guy that works there.
你说，你昨晚是不是上了大卫·莱特曼的节目？
You go, weren't you on the David Letterman show last night?
我说，是的。
And I said, yeah.
然后你说，效果怎么样？
And how did it go?
我说，挺好的。
And I said, it was good.
然后你说，我想看看。
And so you said, I wanna see it.
你就进去找人弄了一盘录像带，
And you went in and got someone to get a tape of
对。
it.
然后他和我坐在办公室里，就我们两个人。
And he and I sat in the office, just the two of us.
哦，你们一起看的？
Oh, and you watched it together?
他说他想看，然后我们就一起看了。
And he watched he said, I wanna watch it.
我们看了，我对那段表演挺自豪的。
And he watched we watched it, and I I was proud of the set.
当然。
Sure.
之后Dana站在电视旁边，指着电视说。
And Dana stood next to the TV and he pointed at the TV afterwards.
他说，你知道吗，当我站在台上做你现在做的事，做单口喜剧的时候，如果那时候，比如七十年代或八十年代，你有这么一段表演，是的。
And he said, do you understand that when I stood when I was out there doing what you're doing, being a stand up, and if you had a set like that back in whatever the seventies or eighties Yeah.
超级明星。
Superstar.
你早就成了大明星，根本不用回头的那种。
You would have been a huge never to look back again star actress
像卡尼森那样的段子。
set a like Kinesin.
像罗珊妮那样。
Like a Roseanne.
你走到哪儿，他们都会起立鼓掌。
Walk everywhere you'd walk and they'd give you a standing ovation.
你会成为下一个大明星。
You'd be the next next guy.
所以我说对了吧。
So I was right.
嗯，花了很长时间。
Well, it took a long time.
很长时间。
A long time.
花了十年。
Took a decade.
这没关系。
Which is okay.
其实这样更好。
It's actually better that way.
但不管怎样，那对我来说意义重大。
But but anyway, that just meant so much to
对我来说。
me.
嗯，我很高兴听到这个。
Well, I'm I'm glad to hear that.
我
I
这是真的。
it's true.
那些是那个故事的基石。
Those are building blocks of that story.
我从你身上学到了很多。
I learned a lot from you.
我现在还会引用你跟我说过的话。
I still quote things you told me.
比如，我曾经跟他开过一个玩笑。
Like, I I once pitched a joke to him.
那是在我们做节目里我最喜欢的一个段子的时候，就是汤姆·布罗考。
It was when we were doing my favorite bit we ever did on the show, which was Tom Broca.
报道理查德的几个版本。
Reporting several versions of Richard
尼克松的素描。
Nixon's sketches.
我当时就在里面。
I was just in it.
杰拉尔德·福特。
Gerald Ford.
对。
Yes.
今晚杰拉尔德·福特去世了。
Gerald Ford is dead tonight.
他在一家便利店被马戏团的狮子袭击了。
He was attacked by a circus lion in a convenience store.
这就是那个笑话。
That was the joke.
哦，那个笑话是说他……
Oh, that was the The joke was he was
提前准备好以防他去世。
Preparing in case he died.
对。
Yes.
以防他去世，这是一种应急准备。
In case he died an area of contingency.
把别人可能想到的所有情况都覆盖到。
Cover every thought someone can throw up.
对。
Yes.
对。
Yes.
杰拉尔德·福特今天去世了。
Gerald Ford died today.
他在一家便利店被一只美洲狮咬死了。
He was mauled to death by a mountain lion in a convenience store.
所以我们第一遍就拍好了。
And so we did it in the first take.
第二遍的时候，我走到桌前跟他说，在“美洲狮”和“在便利店”之间停顿一下。
In the second take, I approached the desk and said to him, just put a pause between mountain lion and in a convenience store.
这个建议提得好。
That was a good note.
他照做了，结果笑了两次。
And he did it, and it got two laughs.
我喜欢这个。
I love it.
我就坐在后面，干我的活。
And I just sitting back there, just doing my job.
Dana 这样示意我，把我叫过去，说，你让我多笑了一次。
Dana goes like this to me and brings me over, and he goes, you bought me an extra laugh.
对。
Yep.
你知道这有多厉害吗？
Do you understand how powerful it is?
你让我多笑了一次。
You bought me an extra laugh.
这很了不起。
That's big.
你很有价值。
You're valuable.
那
That
对我来说意义重大。
was meaningful to me.
我经常跟年轻喜剧演员讲这件事，关于节奏和那一刻的格调，所有的一切。
And I say I I repeat that to young comics all the time about timing and about the class of the moment, everything.
我确实喜欢帮助年轻的喜剧演员。
I like I do like helping younger comedians.
我很享受。
I enjoy it.
我是说，和卡瑞尔、科尔伯特他们，你知道，也是类似的情况。
I mean, with Carell and Colbert, you know, same same kind of thing.
是的。
I Yeah.
他们都是很有绅士风度的人，而且都结婚了。
They were such gentlemen, married.
他们在某种程度上挺保守的，确实是这样。
They're kind of conservative in that way They were.
在现实生活中。
In their real lives.
是的。
Yes.
而且他们非常友善、认真，当然还非常有才华。
And so sweet and earnest and and then obviously so talented.
我也很喜欢希瑟·摩根。
I also loved Heather Morgan.
我很喜欢她。
I loved her.
哦，她真的是……
Oh, she is so
很奇怪，很神秘。
strange and enigmatic.
做完那个节目后，我把她放进了电影里。
I put her in a movie after we did that show.
我很喜欢她。
And I loved her.
我不知道她现在在哪，但她就像个接地气的人。
I don't know where she is now, but she was like a groundling person.
接地气。
The groundling
太搞笑了。
so funny.
有才华。
Talented.
她演的是帕特·尼克松在监狱里吗？
Her as was it Pat Nixon in a cell
还是什么的？
or something?
所以她的表演是，我们把第一夫人演成狗。
So her thing was we did was first ladies as dogs.
对。
Yes.
然后
And
我觉得你可以在YouTube上看到，或者别的地方，但那是她的裙子
I think you can see it on YouTube or whatever, but it's her dress
谁没咬那条裙子？
Who's not biting on that skirt?
裙子不一样。
Dress is different.
第一夫人们。
First ladies.
所有的第一夫人，但然后她会找一只狗，她们就像那样，然后
All the first ladies, but then she would find a dog that they were like, and
她会把
she'd do
她们画成狗，那真是天才。
them as dogs, and it was fucking genius.
太棒了。
Brilliant.
你知道吗，
You know,
你说到那个双重笑声，真有意思。
it's funny you're saying about that double laugh.
比如，我是说，我想到内特·巴加齐，但当你表演时，如果观众真的很懂你的节奏，他们在铺垫部分就笑了，那你在走向高潮的路上就会得到额外的反馈。
Like, I mean, Nate Bergazi comes to mind, but when you're watching and you have an audience that's really in your vibe and they're laughing at setups, Like, you're getting extra stuff on your way to your big part.
那太好了。
It's great.
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