评论员的观点：让我们去赛车吧，约翰·亨特…

我这就快速讲讲金斯莱恩的萨姆，因为这会带我们进入我一直热切期待的环节——萨姆说，喜欢这个播客、周末听广播、在五台直播，这真是我童年的写照。

Just gonna rattle through Sam in Kings Lane because then that brings us to the section that I've been so eagerly awaiting that Sam says love the pod, listen to the radio, and having five live on during the weekend was a real statement of my childhood.

即使到了我三十多岁，周末打开收音机，也没有几件事比这更棒了。

Even in my thirties, there's not many better things than switching the radio on over the weekend.

听着下午三点的比赛，或者五点的体育报道，收听当天赛事的综述。

And listening to whatever the 3PM game is or sports report at 5PM and hearing the roundup of the day's action.

必须特别提到约翰·亨特，他的解说始终保持着最高水准。

Special mention has to go to John Hunt whose commentary is always of the highest quality.

他通常让我感觉仿佛亲临现场，观看他解说的每一场赛事，简直完美。

He generally makes me feel like I'm watching whatever race he's commentating on simply superb.

萨姆，我完全同意你的观点。

Sam, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

所以，萨姆、约翰，这期将是专为他打造的评论员视角特别版，因为我们现在将聚焦于你专长的赛马解说。

So, Sam John, this will be a special edition of the commentator's view for him because we are now going to concentrate on on your specialty of commentating on horse racing.

首先，让我们回顾一下去年切斯特顿金杯赛在五台播出的解说。

And and first of all, just to tee this up, let's cast our minds back to last year's Cheltenham Gold Cup and the commentary that came with it on five live.

倒数第二个栏杆即将到来。

The second last fence coming up.

加利普和杜尚正在冲刺。

Gallip and Duchamp at it.

他现在仅以微弱优势领先，我知道你在想什么。

He's only got a narrow lead here from I know the way you're thinking.

科贝特在倒数第二个栏杆处摔倒，现在，我知道你在想什么，这成了巨大的威胁。

Corbett's cross fell there at the second last, and now it's I know the way you're thinking, a massive danger.

我知道你在想什么在最后一个栏杆处超越了。

I know the way you're thinking takes over at the last.

加利潘德商店毫无回应。

Gallipander shop has got no response.

他现在看起来已经毫无胜算，我们迎来了新的金杯荣誉榜名字。

He's now looking firmly beaten, and we've now got a new name on the Gold Cup role of honor.

获胜的是‘我知道你在想什么’，他以极佳的表现赢得了金杯。

And it is I know the way you're thinking, who has won the Gold Cup in great style, really.

马克·沃尔什挥拳庆祝。

Mark Walsh punches the air.

他这一周过得太棒了。

What a week he's had.

他轻松超越了加利平·德尚，以五到六个马身的优势赢得金杯赛。

He's brushed aside, Gallipin Desjomp, to win the Gold Cup by five or six legs.

去年，约翰，你也是以非常出色的表现赢得冠军的，约翰。

And that was John Hunt in great style yourself, John, last year.

加雷斯在什鲁斯伯里打招呼说：大家好。

And and Gareth in Shrewsbury says, hello, chaps.

我必须说，我经常收听约翰·亨特解说大型赛马比赛，虽然我根本不关注这项运动，但他的解说实在太精彩了。

I have to say that I have often tuned in to hear John Hunt cover a big horse race, and I don't follow that sport at all, but he is amazing at commentary.

加雷斯问：约翰，他是怎么做到的？

And Gareth says, John, how does he do it?

现在，你有机会回答这个开放性的问题了。

So here's your opportunity to answer that very open question.

我认为这源于对这项运动的热爱，就像你们对足球那样全身心投入、如痴如醉。

Well, I think it stems from a love of the sport in the same way as you guys absolutely live, eat and drink football.

我们也是如此，全国上下有18位赛马解说员在工作。

We do the same, there's 18 commentators up and down the country on horse racing.

我不知道，这不就是各种元素的联动吗？

I don't know, it's just moving parts, isn't it?

我觉得我们的运动在机制上其实非常相似，毕竟都有一个最终的决胜时刻。

I think the mechanics of our sports are very similar, really, in terms of there's always an end game.

在我的运动——赛马中，终点线才是真正决定一切的地方。

In my sport, horse racing, the finish line is where it really counts.

在你们的运动里，当球网鼓起时，那就是一场比赛中最关键的瞬间，对吧？

Your sport, when the net bulges, that's the big moment of any particular game, isn't it?

所以，我不知道，你总是为那个关键时刻做铺垫，你也明白，在此期间会有很多平静的时段，但尤其是在广播中，你依然有机会尽可能生动地描述，而我一生观看赛马，一直试图把自己当成一名额外的骑师，尽可能贴近赛场，当然，我得赶紧补充一句，是避开那些固有的危险。

So I don't know, you always build to that particular moment, you understand there are periods within that where there's not an awful lot happening, but there's still, especially on radio as well, there's still the opportunity to be as descriptive as possible, and as I've watched horse racing all my life, I've always tried to almost look at myself as an additional jockey, trying to get as close to the action as possible without the inherent dangers, I should hasten to add.

如果我们能让听众也感受到这种身临其境的体验，那就再好不过了。

If we can take the listener to that intimate type of experience as well, then all the better.

我们所有人追求的不就是这个吗？用真实的方式描述你眼前正在发生的事情，无论我今天在埃克塞斯要解说的是一场小小的新马障碍赛，还是一场绅士金杯赛，规则都是一样的。

That's all any of us are ever aiming for, isn't it, to just bring an authentic description of what is actually happening in front of you, and that doesn't matter whether it's a little maiden hurdle that I'll be doing later on at Exodus today or a gentleman gold cup, the same rules apply.

你能记得你的第一次解说吗，约翰？

Can you remember your first commentary, John?

我第一次解说是在1992年，地点是索尔兹伯里赛马场。

My first ever commentary yet was in the 1992, and it was at Salisbury Racecourse.

我对那天的很多事情都记得很清楚，但我记得威尔·卡森赢了三场比赛。

I remember a lot about that particular day, but I remember Willie Carson had three winners.

其中一匹马叫《In the Picture》，我当时做了一个特别出色的双关语，但别人告诉我再也不要重复了。

One of them was on a horse called In the Picture, because I did a tremendously impressive pun, which I was told never to repeat again.

那个双关语没成功，但那天还有一匹很棒的马叫《Venture Capitalist》也赢了，由理查德·哈蒙德训练。

So that fell flat on his face, but yeah, there was a lovely horse that day called Venture Capitalist who won as well, be trained by Richard Hammond.

奇怪的是，多年后你还能记得这些零星的片段，对吧？

It's strange what you remember, isn't it, from these little snapshots years and years and years ago.

所以，1992年，我想是5月5日，在索尔兹伯里赛马场，威尔·卡森。

So yeah, 1992, I think it was the May 5 at Salisbury Racecourse, Willie Carson.

不过你知道接下来的问题是什么，对吧？

You know the follow-up question though now, don't you?

那个双关语是什么？

What was the pun?

哦，就是一个关于‘In the Picture’不需要照片终点判定的无聊笑话，类似这样的，不过 yeah。

Oh it was just such a lame one about the photo finish not required for in the picture or something like that, but yeah.

我不是跟你说过我不该多此一举吗。

I told you I shouldn't have bothered.

约翰，当我们不在你身边时谈到你，谈到其他解说员的技能，我已经说过几次，我钦佩赛马解说员的那种清空思绪的能力。

When we've talked about you, John, when you haven't been here, and we've talked about the skills of doing other commentaries, I've said a couple of times, what I admire about the horse racing commentator is that ability to clear your mind.

你知道，你在一个下午可能会解说五到六场，甚至更多的比赛。

You know, the fact that you'll have five or six commentary races, maybe more in the space of an afternoon.

而这种自律——记住马名、号码、所有关于马匹的故事，然后告诉自己：这一场结束了。

And just that discipline of the the names, the numbers, everything, the stories about the horses for to be able to go, that's done.

接着投入到下一场。

Onto the next one.

这对你来说是自然而然的吗？是不是像我想的那么难？

Did that come naturally to you, and is it as difficult as I'm thinking it is?

没你想象的那么难。

Not as difficult as you think.

我经常觉得，很多评论员其实能胜任各种不同的角色。

I often think that lots of commentators could do lots of different roles.

我坚信这一点，我认为赛马评论多年来或许被赋予了一点神秘色彩，但其实并没有那么具有挑战性。

I firmly believe that, and I think race commentary is earned deservedly or not, a little bit of a mystique over the years, but it's not that challenging.

我给你举个好例子。

I'll give you a good example.

我

I

多年前为第五频道做过一场足球比赛的解说，那场是德比郡对米尔沃尔，我发誓，米尔沃尔的后防线四个人长得一模一样。

did

我

a football game years ago for Five Live, and it was Derby County Millwall, and all the Millwall back four were identical, I swear.

你知道吗，他们全都留着同样的发型，穿着同样的靴子，我花了将近九十分钟试图分辨出他们各自是谁。

You know, they all had the same haircuts, they all had the same boots, and I spent the best part of that ninety minutes trying to work out which of them was which.

我真的、真的在这件事上很吃力。

And I really, really struggled with that.

因此，那天我面对场上仅有的四名球员就陷入了困境，而且怎么也走不出来。

And therefore, I got into a little bit of a hole with just four players on that pitch that day, and I couldn't get out of the hole.

所以，拿这个跟一场有20匹马的新人障碍赛相比，那可容易多了。

So give me a 20 runner novice hurdle in comparison to that, and it was much, much easier.

但我发现，你提到的那种能力——能立刻把刚刚做过或正在做的事扔进垃圾桶，彻底忘掉——我觉得这至关重要。

But I find the ability, I think you mentioned the ability to immediately propel what you have just done or what you are doing into the bin straight away, forget about it straight away.

我认为这是必不可少的。

I think that's essential.

否则，你就会被之前比赛的种种负担拖累，可能会影响你对下一场赛事的判断。

Otherwise, you'd have all sorts of drag from the previous racing that you've done, and it would perhaps color your next race.

所以，无论你表现得非常出色还是仅仅平平无奇，都必须在完成的瞬间就把它们抛在脑后，我想，不管我们是否意识到，我们都在训练自己的大脑这样做。

So whether you've done a really good job or just a bang average job, you've just got to leave it behind the second it's done, and I think whether we know it or not, we train our brains to do that, I think.

我认为这是最有效的方式，老实说，大多数赛马解说员也是这么做的。

I think it's the most effective way, and I think it's the way most race commentators operate, to be honest.

我觉得你那里有点过于谦虚了，约翰，因为我知道我们特别喜欢去约克的但丁赛马日，说实话，我们喜欢去约克的任何赛事，尤其是五月的但丁赛马日。

I think there is a degree of you being typically modest there, John, because I'm thinking we love going to the York Dante meeting, as you know, we like going to any meeting in York to be fair, particularly the Dante meeting in May.

在大约五弗隆的短距离冲刺中，你如何区分一匹从马群中冲出来的马呢？

And that dash over the, say, the five furlongs, how do you differentiate a horse just to come out of the pack?

这肯定比辨认米尔沃尔队的后防线更难，因为可能有20匹马，颜色各不相同。

That's got to be surely harder than identifying a Millwall back four because you could have 20 runners, different colours.

你是如何训练自己的大脑来分辨不同颜色的？

How do you train your mind to pick out the different colours?

因为你几乎不可能在眨眼之间看到号码，对吧？

Because you probably won't see the numbers in the blink of an eye, would you?

是的，赛马的实际鞍布号码其实并不重要。

Yeah, race car, the actual saddle cloth number never really comes into it.

号码根本看不清，所以全靠颜色来辨认。

It's not really visible, so it's all about the colors.

有时候，骑师的风格也很重要。

Sometimes it's about the style of the jockey as well.

要像熟悉边锋冲刺时的步伐一样，熟悉骑师在马鞍上的姿势。

Get to know a jockey's posture in the saddle in the same way as you'd know the gait of a left winger charging down the wing.

你并不一定需要知道他们的号码之类的信息，但我觉得我们在赛马领域很幸运，所有常年从事这项工作的人，都会频繁地在全国各地观看这些马匹。

You don't need to know their number or anything like that necessarily, but I think we're lucky in racing, and all of us who do it on a twelve month a year basis, and we're up and down the country seeing these horses on a fairly regular basis.

比如本周在切尔滕纳姆，几乎不会有马匹让人感到意外。

So at Cheltenham this week, for example, there won't be many horses that come as a surprise.

你可以轻松地通过视频查看它们所有的过往表现，这类信息很容易获取。

You can look at all of their past performances on video without any problem at all, easy access to that sort of thing.

所以这一切都不算特别意外。

So none of it comes as a particular surprise.

关键只是确保你在正确的时间喊出正确的马匹。

It's just making sure that you're just calling the right horse at the right time.

至于伊恩，我不太清楚比赛中位置的移动和变化，比如约克的五弗隆短途赛和切尔滕纳姆节日的三英里障碍赛就非常不同，后者你有充足的时间在比赛中逐步分析局势。

In terms of I don't know really, Ian, about the movement and the turnover of positions within a race, is very different, that five furlong sprint race at York compared to a three mile chase at the Cheltenham Festival where you've got lots and lots of time to work things out as you go.

你有没有特别喜欢解说的名字？

Are there names that you love commentating on?

我刚才在听去年的解说时想到，'You're Thinking' 这个名字听起来很适合解说，因为这句话在比赛中念起来很有节奏感，不过是不是太长了？

And I was thinking that listening to the commentary from last year, it would strike me that I like the way you're thinking is a great name to commentate on because of the rhythm of that phrase to use that in a race, or is that too long?

是的，有时候是这样，约翰。

Yes sometimes John.

我的意思是，有两匹非常出色的马。

I mean there are two really good horses.

一匹叫'Brighter Days Ahead'，另一匹叫'Better Days Ahead'，老实说，我希望它们能有别的名字。

One's called Brighter Days Ahead, one's called Better Days Ahead and I wish they'd called them something else to be honest with you.

或者它们别在同一时代参赛。

Or that they weren't running in the same era.

没错，没错，对的。

Exactly, exactly, yeah.

幸运的是，它们并不参加同一类型的赛事，但毕竟它们都是明星马，都备受关注，这就带来了一定的尴尬。

I mean, happily, they don't run-in the same type of races, but yeah, just the fact that they're both high profile and both on people's minds, it just injects a degree of discomfort.

每次它们参赛时，你都会提醒自己，无论如何都不要叫错成另一个名字。

Whenever they run, you're just mindful that whatever you do, don't call it the other one.

我以前觉得‘Great Horse’和‘Best Mate’也是很好的名字，对吧？适合那些表现优异的赛马，作为解说员来说。

I used to think that great horse, best mate, great name as well, wasn't it, for a high achieving horse for a commentator?

是的，简单的名字更好。

Yeah, simple names.

尤其是如今顶级的障碍赛马，几乎每一场切斯特汉姆的比赛你都会看到，大多数情况下，投注排名前六或七的马，名字往往源自它们在法国幼年时期的称号，比如周二那匹叫‘Coppec des Bordes’的马。

Especially the top jump horses these days, in so many cases you'll see it every single race at Cheltenham, and most of the time it will be, I don't know, the top six or seven in the betting, there'll be a horse that's name is derived from its spell as a young horse in France, you know this horse on Tuesday called Coppec des Bordes.

这名字当然不是‘Bessemert’，也不是‘Golden Miller’或‘Arkel’那样的经典名字，但事实就是如此，对吧？

It's not exactly Bessemert, is it, or Golden Miller or Arkel, but it is what it is, isn't it?

有时候你会接连听到‘Quebec des Bordes’、‘Iliad Des Arts’这样的名字，它们全是法语词，占满了你的解说空间，不是吗？

And sometimes you get a flurry of Quebec des Bordes followed by Iliad Des Arts, and it's like they're all words and they all take up your airspace, don't they?

所以，当你快速报出这些名字时，很难避免让听众感到混乱，但你也只能就手头这些名字来处理。

So it's difficult if you're firing off these names not to present too confusing a picture, but you can't work with what you're working with.

对。

Yeah.

不过，当你谈到这一点时，你应该感谢幸运之星。

Although you should thank your lucky stars when you're talking about that.

这让我想起了七八十年代的场地障碍赛，那时许多马的名字都取自日本的电子产品。

It reminds me of show jumping from the the seventies and eighties when many of the horses were named after Japanese electrical product.

你还记得吗？

Do you remember that?

比如三洋音乐中心。

Like Sanyo Music Center.

当我刚入行时，有一匹马叫日立电视录像。

Well, when I started off, there was a Hinari tele video running.

所以，是啊，事情随着时间推移确实发生了变化，但依然有很多难念的名字，人们给动物取名时总会做出一些奇怪的选择。

So, yeah, it's funny how things evolve over time, but, yeah, there's still plenty of difficult names out there, but people make funny choices when they name their animals.

我的

My

我叫史蒂夫·布拉内尔，是皇家橡树足球俱乐部的助理经理。

name's Steve Bradnell, assistant manager at Royal Oak FC.

你可能在网上见过我和文尼尔一起出现。

You may have seen me online with Vinyl.

网络红人。

Viral sensation.

现在，BBC给了我一个机会，让足球界为之震动。

And now the BBC have given me the chance to set the footballing world bank to rise.

这对我们来说，可能是为BBC制作一个播客的绝佳机会。

This could be a great opportunity for us to have a podcast for the BBC.

我能不能说一句，

Can I just say,

这个播客是做什么的？

what's the podcast?

太棒了。

Brilliant.

完美的开端。

Great start.

干得好，鲍勃。

Well done, Bob.

太棒了。

Brilliant.

我们

We

我们向皇家橡树队的球迷展现出完全的透明度。

completely show utter transparency to Royal Oak fans.

我会用我的魅力。

I'll use me charm.

送出去吧，加布。

Gift it, Gab.

比赛结束了。

Game's gone.

史蒂夫·布拉克内尔的播客。

The Steve Bracknell podcast.

在YouTube上观看。

Watch on YouTube.

在BBC Sounds上收听。

Listen on BBC Sounds.

我们关注的是

We focus on the part of

大多数人不知道的互联网部分。

the Internet that most people don't know about.

它被称为暗网。

It's called the dark web.

在暗网最隐秘的角落进行卧底行动的美国特工，正致力于定位并解救遭受虐待的儿童。

Undercover in the furthest corners of the dark web, US special agents are on a mission to locate and rescue children from abuse.

现在行动。

Move in now.

来自BBC世界服务的《世界秘密》，《最黑暗的网络》追踪他们令人震惊的调查。

From the BBC World Service, World of Secrets, the darkest web follows their shocking investigations.

在 bbc.com 或您收听 BBC 播客的任何平台收听。

Listen on bbc.com or wherever you get your BBC podcasts.

评论员在《足球每日谈》上的观点。

The commentator's view on The Football Daily.

在 BBC Sounds 上收听。

Listen on BBC Sounds.

当你完成一场比赛，有半小时准备下一场比赛时，你是全身心投入下一场比赛，还是大部分工作已经完成，只是去上个厕所、稍微休息一下？

And when you've finished one race and you've got half an hour to prep for the next, do you immerse yourself in the next race or is already a lot of your work already done and you sort of like nip off to the toilet, get yourself a little bit of refreshment?

给我们简单介绍一下你三小时赛马比赛的流程吧？

Take us through that sort of like a quick crash course of your three hours of racing?

是的，实际上我只会专注于当前正在进行的比赛，因为在第一场比赛进行时，第四场比赛根本无关紧要。

Yeah, so what would happen really is I really honestly just only worry about one race at a time, because race four at the time race one is taking place, race four doesn't matter at all.

我甚至可能都赶不到那里，所以第一场比赛结束后，在切尔曼，我们非常幸运，有时会讨论解说席位的问题。

I might not even get there, so after race one is finished, at Chelman we're so lucky, we might talk about commentary positions.

我们在切尔曼拥有最好的观赛位置——五楼，正对着终点线，除此之外，A，离厕所很近，太棒了；B，还能进入看台后方，因此在第一场比赛结束放下麦克风后的十五秒内，你就能立刻走到看台后方，那里正对着赛前热身圈，你可以看到已经在那里准备第二场比赛的马匹，而且那里环境很宁静——五楼后方几乎没人张望，但前边却人声鼎沸。

We've got the best seat in house at Chelman, it's the 5th Floor, it's right on the winning line, but apart from that, A, it's near the toilet, superb, and B, you have access to the rear of the stand as well, so you can immediately, within fifteen seconds of putting your mic down on race one, you can take yourself to the back of the grandstand which overlooks the pre parade ring and you can see the horses already there for race number two, and it's a calming environment as well that out the back of the grandstand there's next to nobody having a look from the 5th Floor, but out the front it's manic.

我喜欢在赛马解说时的紧张感，但紧接着就有机会在准备下一场比赛前，让身体和心理都放松一下。

I like the obviously when you're working the racing, it's intense but then there's an immediate opportunity to have a physical and a mental calm down before you go again for race two.

你解说时会用望远镜吗？

Do you use binoculars to commentate?

我会用，是的。

I do, yeah.

我喜欢用望远镜。

I like to have them.

我们实际上有两路不同的电视信号，在切尔滕纳姆，一路是ITV的画面，另一路是Racetech的画面，它们的拍摄角度通常不同。我会把望远镜对准我认为赛道上最难观察的部分——那些不易看清的区域。

Again we get sport really, we have two different TV feeds at Cheltenham, one with ITV's pictures, one with Racetech's pictures, and they're often present at a different angle, but I have my binoculars set on what I consider to be the most difficult part of the track, the part of the track that is not easy to view.

通常是在上坡顶，或者靠近两英里起点的最左侧。

It's usually at the top of the hill or down near the two mile start, way to the left.

他们是怎么固定约翰的？

How they fixed John?

那些是巨大的潜艇式望远镜，装在大型支架上，可以旋转，大约有一英尺半长。

They're great big submarine binoculars on a big stand that just pivot, they're about a foot and a half long.

它们非常棒，但我也有自己的手持望远镜，以便快速移动——当我眼角余光看到什么，但一时不确定那是什么时，我可以立刻把它举起来，所以我总是手握望远镜。

They're amazing, but I've got my own handheld binoculars as well for swiftness of movement where if I see something out of the corner of my eye and I don't know exactly what it was at that moment, I can just whisk them, so I always have my binoculars in my hand as well.

所以，是的，装备确实不少，但当你身处其中时，根本不会去想这些事。

So yes, quite a lot of gear, but when you're in the middle of it, you don't really give that sort of any thought really.

这纯粹是你表演时的一部分而已。

It's just part of the stage where you're performing really.

说到解说位置，正如你提到的，我们收到了来自澳大利亚肖恩的一封邮件，他说赛马比赛中两个有趣的解说位置是悉尼的兰德威克和墨尔本的弗莱明顿。

And talking about commentary positions, as you mentioned there, we have had an email from Sean in Australia who says, a couple of interesting commentary positions in horse racing are those at Randwick in Sydney and Flemington in Melbourne.

这两个地点的视角之所以更差，是因为赛马解说员的站位造成的。

The angles at both of these are made worse because of the race caller's positioning.

在兰德威克，解说员位于终点线后75米处；而在弗莱明顿，解说员则站在终点线前50米、呈45度角的位置。

At Randwick, the caller is 75 meters past the post, and at Flemington the caller is 50 meters before the post on a 45 degree angle.

这会不会让你毛骨悚然？

Does that put shivers down your spine?

是的，我们在巴黎隆尚马场为凯旋门大赛翻新时就遇到过几次这种情况。

Yeah, it's happened to us a few times when they renovated Longchamps in Paris for the Arc De Triomphe.

那个看台重建花了好几年时间，你可以想象，所以他们为我们搭了一些临时的解说箱。

That grandstand rebuild took years, as you could imagine, so they put some temporary commentary boxes out for us.

太好了，我们当时这么想。

Great, we thought.

我们到了之后发现，那些解说箱离终点线足足有四分之一英里远，角度差得要命。

We turn up, and yeah, they're literally a quarter of a mile before the winning line, you know, and they'll go down, the angle's terrible.

真是浪费时间，但这也让你明白，作为足球解说员，你们肯定经常遇到这种情况：当你找到一个完美无缺的解说位置时，你会觉得，哦，这简直太棒了。

Waste of time, really, but it does make you I'm sure you get this as football commentators all the time, when you land a pristine, perfectly positioned commentary point, you think, oh, this is just perfect.

对我来说，这关乎高度——你能用肉眼看到多少东西。

And for me, that's about height, how much you can actually see with your own eyes.

我个人特别讨厌隔着玻璃解说，窗户能打开吗？你和赛场之间有没有真正的新鲜空气？

I personally hate being behind glass, do the windows move out, is is there literally fresh air between yourself and the action?

这才是我真正非常喜爱的。

That's what that's what I really, really like.

是的。

Yeah.

对我们来说，温布利的这个位置确实很特别，虽然这是一个不错的解说点，但真的很遗憾，我们没有在露天环境中，而是在一个有优势但也隔着玻璃的箱子里，这从来不是我想要的位置。

That's a that's a real for us again at Wembley, I mean, it's a good commentary position, but it's such a shame, isn't it, we're not in the open air, that we are in a a box which has its advantages but being behind glass never where I want to be.

是的，我同意。

No I agree.

你希望感受到比赛的氛围，我认为玻璃是一种阻碍。

You want to feel the action and I think that the glass is an obstruction to that.

约翰，你有最喜欢的场馆吗？

Do you have a favorite venue, John?

我有太多喜欢的了。

I've got so many.

周六要去桑德兰观看Fiber Live的帝国杯比赛。

Going to Sandown for Fiber Live on Saturday for the Imperial Cup.

那是个很棒的解说箱，因为它是桑德兰能到达的最高位置之一。

That's a great commentary box because it's just about as high as you can be at Sandown.

桑德兰的看台并不高，但again，它就在终点线边上。

Sandown's grandstand is not high, but again, it's right on the line.

你几乎能碰到前方观众的头顶。

You can touch the heads of the crowd in front of you almost.

这真是一种身临其境的体验。

It's a really immersive experience.

我真的很喜欢桑登公园。

I really like Sandown Park.

你看，我们在约克赛道中间看比赛时，经常抬头看到你们的位置，那看起来真是个绝佳的解说位。

See, we often look up at you from the middle of the race course at York and see where you are there, and I mean, that looks like a brilliant position.

是的，确实如此。

It is, it is, yeah.

约克也很棒。

York's fantastic as well.

不过如果你特别挑剔的话，约克的解说箱非常狭窄，所以向右看、俯瞰赛道确实没问题，但向左看就不太方便了。你得把身子探出窗外才能看清右侧，这倒不是问题，但因为箱子太窄，视野确实不够开阔，我觉得。

If you want to be really picky though, York commentary box is very narrow, so to see certainly to your right, looking out on the track, not so much to the left, but to your right, you've got to really lean out of the box window, which is no problem, but because it's so tight and narrow, you don't have that sort of easy field of vision, I would say.

但约克同样是绝佳的地点，位置高，紧贴赛道，非常棒。

But York's another great one, high up, right on the line, superb.

去年的节日期间，我错失了一匹100比1的胜马，这让我非常懊恼。

I missed out on a 100 to one winner at last year's festival, which I was most annoyed about.

你有没有过这样的经历：下注了一匹马，必须亲自喊它冲线，因此还得假装掩饰自己的兴奋？

Have you ever had an occasion where you've had a flutter and you've had to call that particular horse home, and therefore you've had to sort of like conceal your own personal excitement?

我第一个想到的不是掩饰自己的兴奋，而是掩饰自己巨大的失望。我完全不建议这么做，但我这辈子最大的一笔赌注，其实不是在切尔曼节，而是在切尔曼。

The one that springs to mind was not so much conceal my own excitement, but my own crushing disappointment, because I wouldn't advocate this at all, but I think the biggest bet I ever had was not at the Chelman Festival, but at Chelman.

他们在四月还有一场很棒的赛事，我当时正在做解说，根本看不出那匹马会输，结果它真的输了，而我还在解说这场比赛，真的特别失望，你知道吗？

They have another lovely meeting in the April, and I was commentating and there was no way I could see this horse getting beat, and it did, and I was commentating on that, and I so so disappointed, you know?

当然，那场比赛根本不是紧咬着的。

Of course, it wasn't even tight.

早在很远的地方，结果就已经很明显了，你只能硬着头皮撑到终点，还假装说：‘这表现真是太棒了！’

The writing was on the wall a long, long way out, so you had to bluff your way to the finish there, saying, Oh, isn't this great performance?

当我在支持尼克·亨德森的马时，它排在第四位，而保罗·尼科尔斯的马却赢了。

Another winner for the informed Paul Nichols when I've backed the Nicky Henderson thing that's boiling in fourth place.

所以，是的，我实在想不起来了。

So yeah, I can't really remember.

尼普顿·科兰奇赢得国家大赛真是太棒了。

Neptune Colange winning the Grand National was great.

我稍微下注了一点在那匹马身上。

I had a little nibble on that.

那是一匹40比1的胜出马，但同样地，那场比赛的终点是极其接近的摄影判定，根本无法确定它那天到底是赢了还是输了。

That was a 40 to one winner, But again, he was involved in a really, tight photo finish, so it was impossible to know whether he had won or lost really that day.

不过，确实有几件事情让我印象深刻，有好有坏。

But yeah, there are a couple that spring to mind, for good and bad.

我们经常在这里讨论足球运动员名字的发音。

We often talk about pronunciations of footballers' names on here.

你们是怎么确定马匹名字的正确发音的呢？

How do you get the right pronunciations for the names of the horses?

说真的，约翰，这事儿太随意了。

Well, do you know what, it's so haphazard, John.

这真的让我很抓狂，而且这同样让我想到奥运会，因为在奥运会的官方媒体页面上，每位运动员在办理认证时都会被要求正确发音自己的名字，你会看到一个小图标，可以点开听他们希望别人怎么念自己的名字。

It drives me mad really, and this comes back to the Olympic Games as well, because on the formal media pages for the Olympic Games, every athlete, clearly when they've supplied their accreditation, have been asked to pronounce their name correctly, you know, and you've got a little icon that is clearly there so you can listen to how they want their names pronounced.

在赛马领域，很多时候马匹的现任主人其实并没有给马命名，所以你去问他们，他们会说我不知道，这马是从法国来的之类的，或者我知道这是盖尔语，但如果是盖尔语，我会问一些爱尔兰朋友正确的发音。

In horse racing, very often their current owners haven't actually named their horses, so you ask them and they say, I don't know, I got it from France or something, or I know it's Gaelic, but if it is Gaelic, I'll ask some of my Irish friends for the correct pronunciation about it.

有时候你就是不知道。

Sometimes you just don't know.

昨天我遇到一匹马，名字我现在记不太清了，但就一个词，像是G Y N E M Y N E之类的，我当时就想，算了，Gyne Yami凑合着念吧，你知道的？

I had one yesterday, it was called, I'm not gonna get this right now, but it was one word and it was like G Y N E M Y N E or something like that, and I just thought, well, Gyne Yami is gonna have to do, you know?

它可能是某个缩写，也可能对某人的人生有特别重要的意义，但我这个人有点固执。

And it may have been an acronym for something, or it may have been something very, very important to somebody in their life, but I'm a bit of a curmudgeon.

有时候我觉得，如果马的名字太难念，主人又不喜欢你念的方式，那一开始就不该给它取个难念的名字。

I sometimes think if horses are given difficult names, the owner doesn't like how you pronounce it, then don't give it a difficult name in the first place.

给它取个简单好记的名字吧。

Give it a best mate.

我们非常期待本周在BBC Sounds、Sports Extra、五台等平台上收听你和团队在切尔滕纳姆的解说。

Listen, we're really looking forward to listening to you and the team at Cheltenham this coming week on five lives, Sports Extra, BBC Sounds, whatever platform it is on at the time.

约翰，给我们讲讲吧，你在切尔滕纳姆这一周的安排是怎样的？这对你来说，肯定是全年最重要、甚至是最重要的一周吧？

And just give us an idea, John, how does the week pan out for you at Cheltenham, which must be one of the, if not the biggest week of the year for you in terms of your profession?

这很有趣，因为你必须记住既要专注于做好本职工作，也要做好那些基本的事情。

It's interesting because you have to remember to do the basic things as well as immerse yourself in trying to make sure you're doing as good a job as possible.

我的意思是，你上一次喝东西是什么时候？

And by that I when was the last time you had something to drink?

喝了一杯水。

A glass of water.

你上一次吃东西是什么时候？

When was the last time you had some food?

你可不想等到两点钟才想起来：天啊，我一整天都没吃东西，可这时候已经太晚了。

You don't want be getting to like two o'clock and think, God, I haven't had anything to eat all day, and it's too late there.

所以你得管理好那些合理却枯燥的日常琐事，但一旦做完这些，是的，切斯特纳姆这个地方，你只是待在那里就会消耗大量体力，但我一点都不社交回避。

So you have to manage the sensible, boring day to day stuff, but once you've done that, yeah, a place Cheltenham is a place where you can lose so much physical energy just by being there, and So I'm not antisocial at all.

我喜欢和人聊聊，但如果到十一点半还没碰上他们，我就不打算特意跑去吉尼斯村，为了中午喝半杯啤酒而奔波，你懂我的意思吗？毕竟第一场比赛一点二十就开始了。

I like to catch up with people, but if I haven't caught up with them by 11:30, I'm not going to go traipsing down to the Guinness Village to meet them for half a lager at midday, do you know what I mean, with a 01:20 start.

我喜欢在第一场比赛前一小时左右就到现场。

I like to be up where I'm going to be an hour or so before the first race.

然而，我喜欢在这一天的繁忙中抓住那些平静的时刻。

And yet, I do like to take advantage of the calmer moments within the busyness of that day.

这只有短短四天，听起来不算多，人们会说：‘来值四天夜班试试看，看你受不受得了’，我完全理解，但你还是得稍微照顾好自己。

It's a long only four days, know it doesn't sound a great deal and people will say yeah, come and do my night shift for four days and see how you feel, and I get all of that, but it's still you do just have to look after yourself a little bit.

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For a

作为解说员，你有什么建议？

would be commentator, what would your advice be?

我会说，要相信自己。

I would say keep belief in yourself.

如果你觉得自己能做到，那很可能你真的能做到。

If you think you can do it, you probably can.

关于赛马，正如我所说，网上随时都能看到赛马比赛。

With regard to racing, as I say, there's access to racing everywhere online.

有两个专门的赛马频道。

There's two dedicated racing channels.

有一个非常出色的地面电视赛车频道。

There's a brilliant terrestrial racing channel.

ITV每个周末都会直播赛车赛事，大多数重要的周末赛事也都会覆盖。

ITV cover the racing every single weekend, and most big week meetings as well.

所以，观看赛车的渠道是存在的。

So the access to racing is there.

如果你觉得自己能做解说，就坐在赛事前不断练习、练习、再练习，坚持下去，因为我觉得这中间其实没有捷径。

If you think you can commentate on it, sit down in front of that action and practice and practice and practice and keep going, because I don't think there are any shortcuts really in it.

我认为，你做得越多，就会越擅长。

I think literally the more you do, the better you'll get at it.

当然，如果你真的想成为一名赛车解说员，你会把这看作是一种投资，而不是负担；如果你觉得这是个负担，那我想你并不真的想当解说员。

And of course, if you really want to be a racing commentator, you'll think of that as an investment, not a chore, and if it's a chore to you, then I don't think you want to be a commentator.

约翰，非常感谢你做客我们的节目，就像我们其他嘉宾来的时候一样。

John, it's been great having you on, and we could have we could it's the same when when other of our colleagues have been on here.

我们总是说，你知道的，我们真的可以聊上没完没了，因为有太多话题可以讨论，但这次真的非常棒。

We've always said, you know, we could just go on and on and on and on because there are so many things we could talk about, but but that's been that's been brilliant.

我们还准备了几个体育解说中无意间出现的酒吧名字，之后还会带大家了解足球解说的精彩术语大全。

We've just got a couple of unintended pub names from sports commentary for you, and we will wrap up with the the great glossary of football commentary as well.

上一次，我们提到了那个不明智的挑战，伴随着大胆的装饰和鲁莽的鸡尾酒。

So last time, we had the ill advised challenge with its daring deco and reckless cocktails.

我们还提到了TMS板球解说中危险的马克·查普曼，以及‘快点进来’——这确实是一家我们去过约克的酒吧。

We also had the dangerous Mark Chapman from the TMS cricket commentary and the whip it in, which, is an actual pub that, that we've been to in York.

利物浦球迷托尼说：加油，伙计们。

Liverpool fan Tony says, come on, fellas.

在新西兰板球解说中，你们还漏掉了一个。

In the New Zealand cricket commentary, you missed another one.

夏洛特。

Charlotte.

球进来了。

Bowls in.

查普曼第二球上场。

Chapman goes second ball.

精彩的投球。

Glorious delivery.

这是他的第三个三柱门，迪克沙娜。

It's his third wicket, Dikshauna.

高弧线，投在中路，击中了右门柱的顶部。

Flighted, pitched on middle, hit the top of off.

投球手得分了。

And there's a bowler.

没有比这更美的景象了。

There is not a prettier sight.

新西兰现在84分失去五名击球手。

New Zealand, 84 for five now.

查普曼面对两球就出局了。

Chapman goes for a two ball duck.

乔迪说，‘两球出局’会是个很棒的酒吧名字。

Jody says two ball duck would be a great name for a pub.

这是来自东德文郡西顿的利物浦球迷戴夫的精彩提议。

This is a good one from Liverpool fan Dave in Seaton in East Devon.

这个潜在的酒吧名字多年来被反复提及过很多次。

This potential pub name has been mentioned many, many times over the years.

很少有酒吧像它这样不受欢迎。

Not many pubs are as unpopular.

我指的是那个令人畏惧的‘Drops’——一家偏僻、破旧的乡村小酒馆，亟需彻底翻新，老板懒惰不堪，连水管都不愿清理，货架上还摆着蛋奶酒和婴儿纱布。

I refer you to the dreaded drop, a remote, shabby, rural tavern in serious need of complete refurbishment, a miserable landlord who can't be bothered cleaning the pipes and still has eggnog and baby sham on the shelves.

全世界的球队都在努力避开它。

Every team in the world is trying to avoid it.

令人畏惧的Drops。

The dreaded drop.

这是来自伯吉斯希尔的丹尼尔的提议。

And this from Daniel in Burgess Hill.

在利物浦对阵西汉姆的比赛中，迈克·伊恩大师推出了一家可能非常小众的酒吧。

During Liverpool versus West Ham, maestro of the Mike Ian introduced a new potentially very niche pub.

加特波在那里鞠躬，撞上了索基克的后背。

Gatpo there bowed, barged into the back of Sociek.

其实我本想在上半场就说的。

I meant to say this actually in the first half.

裁判是蒂姆·罗宾逊。

Tim Robinson, the referee.

克里斯·卡瓦纳重新上场了。

Chris Cavanaugh is back involved.

他上周因在阿斯顿维拉对纽卡斯尔以及足总杯比赛中的争议判罚而被停哨，明天他将执法曼联对阵水晶宫的比赛，担任老特拉福德球场的主裁判。

He was given last week off after his controversial performance between Villa and Newcastle and the FA Cup, and he will actually be in charge of Manchester United Crystal Palace tomorrow, the man in the middle at Old Trafford.

我想象中的‘场中之人’是一家低调的外部酒吧，有磨砂玻璃窗，或许挂着一块朴素的黑色招牌，在铰链上吱呀作响，里面聚集着一群裁判，低声抱怨自己不被理解，而霍华德·韦伯则拿起麦克风，为在场的人演唱一连串他最爱的励志卡拉OK金曲。

The man in the middle, I'm imagining, being an externally low key pub, frosted glass windows, perhaps a plain black sign creaking on its hinges, huddled inside are gaggles of referees mumbling into their pints about being misunderstood, whilst Howard Webb takes to the mic and regales the congregation with a medley of his favourite motivational karaoke hits.

我真想

I'd love

听听你们对霍华德会唱什么歌的建议。

to hear your suggestions perhaps of what Howard would be singing.

谢谢你，丹尼尔。

Thank you, Daniel.

也许我们最好不要那样做，伊恩。

Possibly best that we don't do that, Ian.

但我确实认真考虑过这一点。

But I did give that a little bit of thought, actually.

哦，是吗？

Oh, did you?

很好。

Good.

是的。

Yeah.

它昨晚让我彻夜难眠。

It actually kept me awake last night.

我想到了AC/DC的《Back in Black》。

I thought ACDC, Back in Black.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

非常好。

Very good.

谁唱了《Stuck in the Middle with You》？

Who sang Stuck in the Middle with you?

那是Steelers Wheel唱的吧？

That was Steelers Wheel, wasn't it?

对。

Right.

Stuck in the middle。

Stuck in the middle.

是的。

Yeah.

非常好。

Very good.

我比你年轻一点，所以我不知道是谁唱的这首歌。

I'm a little bit younger than you, so I didn't know who sang that.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

对。

Yeah.

有点像上周提到的乔治·贝克精选。

It was a bit like, what was it, the George Baker selection from last week.

还有，艾恩、丹尼尔，他们称你为话筒大师，这倒是个不错的酒吧名字，对吧？

And also as well, Ian, Daniel, who referred to you as the maestro of the mic, that would be a good pub name, wouldn't it?

话筒大师。

The maestro of the mic.

你可以在招牌上看到这个名字。

You can see that on the on the sign.

嗯，

Well,

我告诉你吧。

I'll tell you what.

当你退休时，如果你真有那么一天，你可以用你的BBC养老金开一家小酒吧。

When you when you retire, if you ever retire, you could you could put your BBC pension and open up a little a little boozer.

是的。

Yeah.

不过，我不确定这是否是我想要走的方向。

Well, I'm not sure if that's the direction I want to be going in.

不管怎样，也许可以叫它‘利润’。

Anyway Probably do call it profits.

另外，如果你在任何体育解说中发现无意中出现的酒吧或电影名字，不只限于我们的节目，请告诉我们。

Anyway, if you spot an unintended pub or film name in any sports commentary, not just any of ours, do let us know.

请访问 Tcvbbc.co.uk 或通过 WhatsApp 发送至 828-9369，最后来聊聊足球解说的精彩术语大全。

Tcvbbc.co.uk and WhatsApp's to 828-9369 and to finish with the great glossary of football commentary.

这是我们寻找你可能在收音机里听到的解说术语和短语的地方，完整的术语表可以在本集的描述中找到。

This is where we look for commentary terms and phrases which you might have heard on the radio and you can find our entire glossary in the episode description.

所以这些内容都为你准备好了。

So it's all there for you.

所以第一类是我们收录的足球专属术语，第二类是足球解说中使用、但其他运动也会用到的术语。

So division one, that's where we put football exclusive terms and division two for terms used in football commentary but also used in other sports.

上周，我们把‘被罚下’和‘清道夫门将’加入了第一类。

So last week, we added booked and sweeper keeper into division one.

最近，我们也把‘优惠券终结者’作为足球专属术语加入了第一类。

Recently, we also added coupon buster into division one as a football exclusive term.

但在赛马中你会听到‘优惠券终结者’这个词吗，约翰？

But would you get a coupon buster in racing, John?

大概不会吧，你觉得呢？

Probably not would you?

我觉得不太可能。

Doubt it.

我觉得不会，不会。

I'd say no, no.

优惠券在很大程度上属于

Coupons are very much in the

路易斯或刘易斯说，赛马中的类似说法可能是‘黑马’。

Louis or Lewis says the horse racing equivalent could be a dark horse.

我只是在想赛马中的类似说法。

I think I'm just thinking of the horse racing equivalent.

你听过‘Play Spot Buster’吗？

You hear Play Spot Buster?

哦，对，是的。

Oh, right, yeah.

我们遇到过几个这样的情况。

We've had a few of those.

这周我想到了一个例子，因为我们正在讨论英超联赛末尾非常紧张的局势，我跟一位朋友说，他们会努力避免降级。

One that occurred to me this week, because we were talking about the very tight situation now at the bottom end of the Premier League, I used the phrase to a friend of mine that they'll they'll be looking to be staving off relegation.

你还用‘避免’这个词来形容什么其他情况？

I think what other scenario do you use the phrase staving off?

我想不出还有其他什么情境下我会说，他们正在努力避免什么。

I I cannot think of another scenario where I would say, well, they're staving off whatever.

我觉得这可能就是全部了，大概是指英冠联赛中为避免降级而挣扎。

I I think that is a is all well, it's probably a division two staving off relegation.

所以这是我的个人贡献，但我们还收到了来自牛津的Spud和Freddie的来信。

So there's that, that my own personal contribution, but we've got this one from Spud and Freddie in Oxford.

大家好。

Hello, chaps.

这是来自Ali对阿森纳对阵切尔西比赛的评论中一个出色的词典贡献。

Super dictionary contribution from Ali's commentary on Arsenal Chelsea with Matt Upsen.

他们当时看的就是这个吗？

Is that what they were looking at?

那个的价格在哈布尔那里。

Hamble there for price for that one.

我觉得是的。

I think so.

其实不需要那么仔细检查，

Didn't need that much of a check,

对吧？

did it, really?

我觉得很明显，他试图头球，结果球正好打在他肩膀下方一点的位置。

I thought it was pretty straightforward that he's tried to head the ball and it's just hit him on like just underneath the shoulder.

对。

Right.

现在达伦·英格兰正在向祖巴门迪和纳马多·萨兰解释昆斯伯里规则，明确说明在角球开出前无球状态下哪些动作是允许的，哪些是不允许的。

Now Darren England explaining the Queensbury rules here to Zubamendi and Namadoo Saran exactly what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do off the ball waiting for the corner to be delivered.

我的意思是，赖斯双臂环抱着对方，

I mean, Rice has his arms wrapped

这和阿森纳对切尔西比赛期间发生的一切非常吻合。

That that does fit very well into everything that happened during the the Arsenal Chelsea match.

斯普德说，我好久没听到昆斯伯里规则了，但用它来描述一段冗长或细致的规则说明真是绝妙。

Spud says, I haven't heard it in ages, the Queensbury rules, but it's a fabulous way of describing a lengthy or fastidious rules explanation.

这显然是词典的候选条目，但我猜它属于第二类，因为这些规则本身就是拳击的规则。

Surely a candidate for the glossary, but I guess division two since the rules themselves are the rules for boxing.

艾利，斯帕德说，这解说太棒了。

Great commentary, Ali, says Spud.

来自牛津的弗雷迪说，我之前不了解昆斯伯里规则，于是去查了一下，发现这些是如今拳击的标准规则，因约翰·道格拉斯，昆斯伯里侯爵在19世纪60年代公开支持而得名。

And Freddie in Oxford, I was unfamiliar with the Queensbury rules, so I looked it up to discover that these are the now standard rules of boxing named the Queensbury rules due to the public endorsement by John Douglas, the Marquess of Queensbury in the eighteen sixties.

我从未在任何场景——无论是体育解说还是其他场合——听过这个说法，因此无法自信地将其归入任何一类。

Having never heard this phrase before in any scenario, sports commentary or otherwise, I cannot confidently place it into either division.

所以，这个问题就交给你们这些博学的朋友们来决定吧。

So I'll leave that at the discretion of you estable fellows.

不过，我想它还是得归入第二类，对吧？

Although, I guess it will have to be division two, won't it?

没错。

It will.

这里还有一个来自我们未分类类别的例子，是加雷斯从纽敦重新提出来的。

And one from our unsorted category here, which Gareth in Newtown has brought back to the table.

他说，正在为午餐准备两个水煮蛋，蛋黄要软一点，像往常一样，我在听《五台体育》，听着罗布·格林和传奇人物史蒂夫·布鲁斯讨论伯恩茅斯门将格鲁吉亚·彼得罗维奇的失误，忍不住笑出声。

He says, while preparing a couple of boiled eggs for lunch, soft yolks, I was, as usual, listening to Five Life Sport and chuckling at Rob Green and the legend Steve Bruce discussing the shortcomings of Bournemouth keeper, Georgia Petrovich.

那并不是一次特别有力的射门。

That there wasn't the hardest of strikes.

你心里想，我觉得他以为这球会很猛。

And you're thinking, I think he thinks it's gonna be a hard one.

我会选择单手扑救，但事实上，你应该站稳姿势，做好准备，然后用双手去接球。

I'm gonna go with one hand, whereas, realistically, you stand and set and react to it, and you you go with two hands.

来吧，罗布。

Come on, Rob.

他本该把球扑出去的。

He should have put his cap on it.

来吧。

Come on.

我无话可说。

I can't say anything.

你

You

我知道你属于守门员工会，我理解。

I know you're in this goalkeepers union, and I get it.

就是这样。

There we go.

我完全理解。

I get it totally.

我明白，但别这样。

I get it, but come on.

‘给他戴上帽子’也是马克·劳伦斯经常说的一句精彩话。

Put his cap on it was a was a great Mark Lawrence phrase as well that that he often used to use.

那可能是英甲联赛的伊恩常说的‘给他戴上帽子’。

And that's probably division one Ian put his cap on it.

是的，很可能就是这样。

Yeah, probably is.

是的。

Yeah.

让我们用这个来结束吧

And let's finish with

这个

this one

来自柴郡的乔治亚。

from Georgie in Cheshire.

大家好。

Hi team.

我有一个术语建议，来自阿里对阿森纳对阵切尔西比赛的解说。

I have a glossary suggestion that came out of Ali's commentary of Arsenal against Chelsea.

切尔西在后防再次冒险。

Chelsea taking another risk at the back.

年轻的中后卫萨尔戈特在控球时被萨卡抢断。

That's the young center back Sargot caught in possession, tackled by Saka.

球直接传给了桑切斯。

The ball is spun straight to Sanchez.

他将球向右横传。

He slings it out to his right.

查洛巴将球沿右路传给位于本方半场的里斯·詹姆斯。

Chalobah plays it down the right to Reece James inside his own half.

桑切斯迅速向前带球。

Quick pull forward from Sanchez.

帕尔默来了个不看人传球。

No look pass from Palmer.

萨利巴将这球截下，作为

Saliba intercepts that as a

不看人传球。

No look pass.

我认为这更可能是二级联赛的用语，而不是一级联赛，因为我怀疑它可能用于板球或篮球，尽管我不确定。

I think it's probably more likely to be division two than division one as I suspect it may be used in perhaps netball and basketball, although I'm not sure.

在我看来，最擅长无球看传球的人是博比·法米诺，他经常将这种技巧延伸到无球看射门和无球看助攻。

In my opinion, the greatest exponent of the No Look Pass would be Bobby Famino, who also extended it to no look finishes and no look assists on a fairly regular basis.

但我非常想知道，你们每个人认为谁最精通无球看传球这项技艺。

But I'd be very interested to hear which player each of you think has best mastered the particular art of the no look pass.

我第一个想到的是内马尔。

The one that comes to mind for me is Neymar.

内马尔很喜欢做无球看传球。

Neymar liked a no look pass.

是的。

Yeah.

约翰，你有什么看法吗？

Any thoughts, John?

那些有天赋的球员寥寥无几。

Few few of those talented.

帕卡塔不是很喜欢找卢克·塔斯，不是吗？

Didn't Paccata quite like to know Luke Tass, didn't he?

是的。

Yeah.

我不该提到帕卡塔吗？

Should I not have mentioned Paccata?

我最后反而搞砸了。

And I've blotted my copy book right at the end.

总之，阿里下周一会回来，到时候我们肯定会花更多时间讨论那些无人关注的酒吧名字和术语表。

So in summary, and Ali will be back with us next week when we will no doubt devote a little more time to the unattended pub names and the glossary.

但这一周，我们把避免降级到第二级别联赛的话题放到了一边。

But this week, we have put staving off relegation into division two.

昆斯伯里规则降入了第二级别，戴上帽子进入第一级别，还有无眼神传球。

Queensbury rules have gone into division two, put his cap on it into division one, and no look pass.

暂时先把它放到第一级别吧。

Let's put it into division one for the time being.

万岁。

Hooray.

那么，就这样了。

So that is it.

约翰·亨特，非常感谢你的参与。

John Hunt, thank you very much for your company.

我期待周一听到你演唱《No No Issue Issue Canso》，朋友，那是在一周前的三号。

I'm looking forward to a rendition of No No Issue Issue Canso on Monday, one way three and a ago, my friend.

你看，你在这里犯了个错误。

You see, you've made a mistake there.

你陷入了我和我之前一样的陷阱。

You've fallen into the same trap that I did.

这问题现在又会冒出来。

That'll rear its head again now.

欢迎通过 tcvbbc dot co dot uk 提交问题，参与我们的问答环节，或通过 WhatsApp 发送消息或语音留言至 800289369。

And questions, welcome for our Q and A episode to tcvbbc dot co dot uk or you can send us a message or voice note on WhatsApp to 800289369.

同时，请务必收听约翰和团队下周在五台和 BBC Sounds 上对切尔滕纳姆的解说。

And likewise, make sure you listen to John and the team commentating on Cheltenham next week on five live and BBC Sounds.

但本期《足球日报》就到这里了。

But that is it for this episode of the football daily.

请记住，您可以通过向下滚动《足球日报》的推送来找到每一期《评论员视角》。

And remember, you can find each and every episode of the commentator's view by scrolling down your Football Daily feed.

不。

No.

没有历史。

No history.

女足联赛的守门员，《BBC女足周刊》。

Goalkeeper in the division BBC Women's Football Weekly.

为您带来女子足球领域的最新资讯、见解与分析。

The latest news, insights, and analysis from across the women's game.

露西·布伦斯，欢迎回来。

Lucy Bruns, welcome back.

你觉得哪些俏皮话最适合一名橄榄球运动员？

What one liners do you think would make the best rugby player?

我？

Me?

听好了。

Listen.

通过BBC Sounds应用。

With the BBC Sounds app.

我们关注的是

We focus on the part of

大多数人不知道的互联网部分。

the Internet that most people don't know about.

它被称为暗网。

It's called the dark web.

在暗网最隐秘的角落里，美国特工正执行任务，寻找并解救遭受虐待的儿童。

Undercover in the furthest corners of the dark web, US special agents are on a mission to locate and rescue children from abuse.

现在行动。

Move in now.

说得对。

Point.

来自BBC世界服务的《秘密世界》，深入探索最黑暗的网络，追踪他们令人震惊的调查。

From the BBC World Service, World of Secrets, the darkest web follows their shocking investigations.

在bbc.com或您收听BBC播客的任何平台收听。

Listen on bbc.com or wherever you get your BBC podcasts.