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各位朋友们,大家好。
Hello, friends.
今天来到我节目的嘉宾是斯塔雷特博士。
Today, my guest is Doctor.
他非常优秀,我关注仰慕他很久了。他彻底改变了我们看待运动、疼痛和身体恢复力的方式。
Starrett, a remarkable person I've admired for a very long time and someone who's truly reshaped the way we think about movement, pain, and physical resilience.
凯利不仅是一名物理治疗博士,还是业内知名的运动专家、教练,同时也是一位畅销书作家。从职业运动员到普通大众,无数人都在他的影响下,重新找回并长期保持了身体的灵活性和强健状态。
Kelly is not only a doctor of physical therapy, he's a celebrated movement expert, a coach, but also a bestselling author who's inspired countless people from professional athletes to everyday individuals to reclaim and maintain their mobility and physical durability over a lifetime.
凯莉是The Ready State的联合创始人兼首席健康官,也是旧金山CrossFit的联合创始人,还出过好几本极具影响力的书,包括《成为一只柔韧的豹子》《跑步就绪》《久坐的危害》以及《天生会动》。
Kelly is the co founder and chief health officer of The Ready State, co founder of San Francisco CrossFit, and author of some influential books, including Becoming a Supple Leopard, Ready to Run, Deskbound, and Built to Move.
但除了这些亮眼的成就之外,这么多年来一直吸引我关注凯莉研究的核心原因,是他拥有一项难得的能力:能把复杂的运动科学拆解成普通人看得懂、用得上的实用建议。
But beyond all of these accomplishments, what's drawn me to Kelly's work for years is his rare gift for taking complex movement science and translating it into practical, actionable guidance that just makes sense.
他一直不遗余力地推广一个理念:活动能力绝不是训练的附加项,而是我们一切运动、恢复、适应能力的基础,更是我们随着年龄增长,还能继续享受自己热爱的事物的核心支撑。
He has been a tireless advocate for the idea that mobility isn't just an accessory to our training, it's foundational for how we move, how we recover, adapt, and continue enjoying the things we love as we age.
而这次的对话从头到尾,都贯穿着他的这个理念。
And that perspective shines throughout this conversation.
这次对话特别愉快,也极具启发性,我其实已经期待很久了。
This was a deeply enjoyable and insightful conversation and one I've genuinely been looking forward to for years.
在这期节目中,你会了解到为什么疼痛并不总代表受伤,如何更聪明地看待训练中反复出现的隐痛,热身真正该达到什么效果,以及目标不只是预防受伤,更是提升组织的准备度、动作质量和整体表现。
In this episode, you will learn why pain does not always mean injury and how to think more intelligently about nagging pain that shows up during training, what a warmup should actually accomplish, and why the goal is not just avoiding injury, but improving tissue readiness, movement quality, and performance.
如何评估和改善髋关节与肩关节的活动度,包括一些简单的家庭自测方法,能帮你发现哪些动作范围缺失了。
How to assess and improve hip and shoulder mobility, including simple at home tests that can reveal missing range of motion.
为什么呼吸方式会影响脊柱活动、力量输出、疼痛调节和运动表现。
Why breathing mechanics matter for spinal movement, force production, pain modulation, and athletic performance.
如何通过小动作、散步、坐地、优化办公环境,来抵消久坐生活带来的负面影响。
How movement snacks, walking, floor sitting, and better desk setups can help offset the cost of a sedentary life.
如何理解血流、热疗、冷疗,以及一些简单的自我恢复工具。
How to think about blood flow, heat exposure, cold exposure, and simple self care tools for recovery.
为什么凯利提出的‘为生活而训练,别为训练而活’这个理念,可能是每个人希望保持力量、能力与身体独立性的关键。
Why Kelly's framework, Train for life, don't live to train, may be one of the most useful ideas for anyone who wants to stay strong, stay capable, and physically independent as they age.
我们还谈到了青少年体育中出现的问题——过度专一、恢复不足、睡眠匮乏、营养不良,还有自由玩耍的消失,以及家长可以做些什么,等等。
And we also discuss what's gone wrong in youth sports from over specialization and under recovery to sleep deprivation, poor fueling, and the disappearance of free play, and what parents can do about it, and so much more.
在开始之前,如果你还没下载我的免费指南《如何根据专家建议训练》,那现在正是时候,它和今天的节目完美搭配。
Before we dive in, if you haven't already downloaded my free How to Train According to the Experts guide, this is a great companion to today's episode.
这份指南提炼了我与100多位顶尖运动科学家对话的精华,为你提供关于力量、增肌、心肺功能、体成分,甚至桑拿使用的实用科学方案。
It distills insights from more than 100 conversations with leading exercise scientists into practical evidence based protocols for strength, hypertrophy, cardiorespiratory fitness, body composition, and even sauna use.
你现在就可以免费前往 howtotrainguide.com 下载。
You can download it right now for free at howtotrainguide.com.
再次提醒,网址是 howtotrainguide.com。
Once again, that's howtotrainguide.com.
如果你喜欢这个播客,希望支持严谨、独立的健康与运动内容,不妨考虑成为 FoundMyFitness 高级会员。
And if you value this podcast and want to support rigorous independent health and performance content, please consider becoming a FoundMyFitness premium member.
你可能已经注意到,这个播客没有商业广告赞助。
You may have noticed that this podcast does not have commercial sponsors.
它完全依靠像你这样的听众支持运行。
It is 100% fan supported by listeners like you.
成为高级会员后,你将立即获得专属播客《The Aliquot》的访问权限,我会在那里发布一些特别节目,比如《如何延缓关节退化》《肌酸的误区与误解》《如何优化恢复、避免过度训练》等等,内容远不止这些。
When you become a premium member, you'll get instant access to a private members only podcast called The Aliquot, where I release special episodes like How to Slow Joint Degeneration, Creatine Myths and Misconceptions, how to optimize recovery and prevent overtraining, and so much more.
现在我们已经推出了超过145集《The Aliquot》会员专属节目,所有支持节目的付费会员都可以收听。
We have over 145 Aliquot episodes available for your listening right now for all premium members who support the show.
你还能立即参加每月和我进行的线上直播问答,这些问答也会被录下来,之后随时可以听。
You will also get instant access to a monthly live Q and A with me that are also recorded for later listening.
大家提交问题,我来一一解答。
You submit questions, I answer them.
除此之外,你还能收到我每月推送两期的《科学文摘》,里面会梳理健康、营养、衰老和运动表现领域最新的重要研究成果。
You'll also get access to a Science Digest, which I send out twice a month covering some of the most important new studies in health, nutrition, aging, and performance.
你的会员订阅会直接用来支持这档免费播客,以及我们FoundMyFitness团队所有不带偏向性的原创内容。
Your membership directly supports the free podcast and the rest of the unbiased work we do here at FoundMyFitness.
非常感谢所有一直支持我们的朋友。
A huge thank you to all of those who support.
如果你想了解更多关于成为FoundMyFitness高级会员的信息,用这种方式支持节目同时享受全部专属福利,可以访问foundmyfitness.com/premium。
You can find out more about becoming a FoundMyFitness Premium member and supporting the show and getting all these perks at foundmyfitness dot com slash premium.
再重复一遍,网址是foundmyfitness.com/premium,premium。
Once again, that's foundmyfitness.com/premium, premium.
接下来,让我们进入与医生的对话。
And now onto the podcast with Doctor.
凯利·斯塔雷特医生。
Kelly Starrett.
欢迎回到节目。
Welcome back to the podcast.
我很高兴今天能坐在这里,和医生聊天。
I'm really excited to be sitting here with Doctor.
我这么说可能有点肉麻,但说实话,这可是我盼了十年的事。
Kelly Starrett, who I kind of sound cheesy, but like, I mean, this is this is ten years in the making, I feel like.
我早就知道你的工作了。
I mean, I've known about your work for a very long time.
直到我开始接触CrossFit训练,你的名字才重新回到我的视野里。
And it really wasn't until I started to get into CrossFit training that it kind of popped back up into my my head and my world.
这是为什么呢?
Why why is that?
为什么会这样呢?
Why is that?
我的意思是,你可是个传奇人物。
I mean I mean, you're a legend.
你真是个传奇,凯利。
You're a legend, Kelly.
能和你聊这个,我特别兴奋。
So I'm super excited to have this conversation with you.
我们刚才还在纠结从哪儿开始,因为真的很难选,不知从哪儿切入好。
And we were kinda chatting about where to start because there's it's a really hard decision where to start.
有太多有趣的话题可以聊了。
There's so many fun things to talk about.
对吧?
Right?
确实有太多有趣的话题了。
So many fun things.
现在我们正处于健身和体能训练领域所说的第三波浪潮的初期。
And we're in the we're in what we're calling the beginning of third wave of fitness and strength and conditioning.
你还记得第一波浪潮是什么样的,当时流行各种能量棒,还有一堆不好用的心率监测设备。
Like, first wave, you remember, was, like, power nut malt malt nut power bars, bad heart rate monitors.
第二波浪潮则是过去二十年里,科技、YouTube这些大规模普及带来的狂热景象。
Second wave is just this this fever dream over the last twenty years of, like, mass integration and technology and YouTube.
现在我们终于回过神来,开始重新梳理方向了。
And now we're finally saying, okay.
那我们可以先把哪些话题放到一边呢?
Well, what can we discard?
还有,真正对我们重要的又是什么?
And and really what does matter to us?
我觉得现在可能是个特别值得期待的节点,我们可以好好理一理这些问题。
And I think it's really an exciting time potentially where we can say, okay.
之前那段日子实在是太混乱了。
That was some craziness.
我们现在住的房间都特别花里胡哨,就像你奶奶家那样,到处都是蕾丝花边。
We live in these very decorative rooms like your grandma's room with all the doilies.
感觉特别压抑,根本不知道该从哪儿下手,或者该坐在哪儿。
It's, like, oppressive, and you don't know where to start or where to sit.
我们刚刚就是从那种环境里走出来的。
That's where we've just come from.
那么现在,面对这一大堆混杂在一起的力量训练、健身、体脂管理和健美理念,我们该怎么想:对孩子来说,什么才是真的重要?
So now how do we take that pastiche of strength conditioning, fitness, body composition, bodybuilding, and then say, well, where what's important for your kids?
怎么才能拥有一个让你放心、不会受伤的身体?
How do you have this body that you trust doesn't hurt?
现在真是个好时机。
It's really it's a good time.
对。
Yes.
我们到底学到了什么?
What lessons have we learned?
身体不疼,这其实是个很好的起点。
A body that doesn't hurt, that's kind of a great place to start.
我有个问题,像我这样的人,聪明、特别有毅力、也很积极锻炼,可还是经常疼,明明疼还坚持练,这到底是哪儿出了问题?
I mean, I I have this question about common mistakes that I would say people that are like myself, you know, we're intelligent, very much committed, motivated exercisers, and yet we still have this pain and, you know, we're working out with the pain.
像我这样的人,到底常犯哪些错误?
What are some common mistakes that, you know, myself and others that are like me are making?
咱们先明确一点,疼不等于受伤。
Let's frame this first, that pain doesn't always mean you're injured.
对吧?
Right?
我们要明白,疼痛其实是身体在提醒你该调整了。
We want everyone to recognize pain is a request for change.
这确实是个很好的起点。
That's a great place to start.
你可以把它当成汽车的故障指示灯来看待。
And so you can use it a little bit like a check engine light.
所以当你跑步或做完其他运动后膝盖疼,别慌。
So when your knee hurts after that run or that thing you did, don't panic.
这是在提醒你:注意一下。
It's giving you asking, hey.
留心观察。
Pay attention.
很多因素都会影响这种感觉,现在大家也开始慢慢弄清楚了。
And that can be modulated by a lot of features that people are starting to get their hands around.
你最近压力特别大吗?
Oh, you're super stressed?
昨晚喝酒了?
Went drinking last night?
没睡好?
Didn't sleep?
对吧?
Right?
那你的营养状况怎么样?
How's your nutrition?
这些都是基础因素,我们甚至还没提到你的活动度够不够,运动前有没有热身,运动后有没有拉伸放松呢?
As starters, much less we even talked about your range of motion, or did you warm up, or did you cool down?
你是不是像专业运动员那样直接把身体榨干了?
Did you just redline like an elite athlete?
毕竟现在很多人都能跟着做高强度训练,结果之后一整天都坐在办公桌前,身体根本没法好好适应恢复。
Because we have access to that now and then sit at your desk for the rest of the day, sort of not really having a good adaptation response.
那当我们开始梳理这些关联时,首先要做的就是先静下心来,多去了解背后的原因。
So when we begin to pull that, I think the first thing we can start to say is, hey, let's become curious.
别一有点状况就把事情往最坏了想。
Let's not catastrophize.
很多人会下意识觉得,自己不该有任何疼痛的感觉。
Because it really is, like, what we expect is, I'm gonna have any pain.
就好像自己还和十五岁的时候一样,身体不会出任何状况。
It's like when I was 15.
我后背疼。
My back hurts.
肯定得狂犬病了。
It must be rabies.
肯定是我在哪儿弄伤了,搞不好会出大问题,这辈子都解决不了——可换个想法呢,
It must be you know, I've I've tweaked myself in some way that potentially is gonna be really detrimental and never never figure it out versus, hey.
我的身体在给我信号。
My body's asking for some input.
我有什么办法可以应对?
What tools do I have?
我什么时候该认真想想,是不是该找人帮忙了?
And when do I even begin to think, do I need help or not?
因为我们问过所有合作的人,谁是完全不疼的?
Because when we ask all the people we work with, who's pain free?
举手的人寥寥无几。
Very few hands go up.
所以我们得开始承认,疼痛可能是人生的一部分,而我们在这方面其实说得太少。
And so what we have to do is start to say, okay, Maybe pain is a part of the human experience, and we really haven't done a good job talking about it.
我们倒是挺擅长掩盖它,也特别喜欢把它医学化,但想想看,你孩子踢完足球回家,脚后跟或膝盖疼,你该怎么办?
We've done a good job masking it and certainly medicalizing it, but, you know, what about your kids when your kid comes home after soccer and she has a painful heel or painful knee?
怎么才能不慌乱,又能稍微自我安抚一下呢?
Like, where do we begin to not freak out and yet self soothe a little bit?
我觉得这正是一个很好的起点。
I think that's a really wonderful place to start.
就我自己而言,总会有些隐隐作痛。
I, for myself, you know, I I get this sort of nagging pain.
肩膀这儿有一处,前臂的肌腱那儿也有一点。
I have one in my shoulder, and I have a little bit, like, in the tendon in my forearm.
但还没严重到影响我锻炼的地步。
And it's not enough that it's like an injury where I can't work out.
没错。
That's right.
但已经够让我锻炼时感觉受限了。
But it's enough where I do feel more limited in my workouts.
我通常会和我的教练一起训练,你知道的,她特别棒。
And oftentimes, I'll you know, with I work with a coach, as you know, she's amazing.
她真的特别棒。
She's amazing.
不过她会说,好吧。
But, you know, she'll say, okay.
今天咱们换个项目吧,因为你感觉有点疼,比如做重硬拉的时候。
Well, let's let's do a different movement today because you're feeling a little bit more pain if you're doing, you know, for example, like heavy deadlifts.
对。
Yeah.
对于那些饮食基本到位、睡眠也充足的人来说,你知道的。
But, you know, for someone that has their nutrition pretty much dialed in to the for the most part and get enough sleep, you know.
健康的基本要素你都做到了,可疼痛还是存在。
So, like, some of the the pillars of health are there, and yet you still have the pain.
那这种情况下,你一开始会从哪里入手排查呢?
Like, where where do you start to look, like, first?
这个问题提得真好,刚好能切入正题。
What a great entree.
你肯定会觉得,我明明都把该做的都做了啊。
And you're like, I think I'm doing it.
对吧?
Right?
我接待那些有持续性疼痛、慢性疼痛的客户时,顺便说一句,几乎我认识的所有运动员、所有职业选手,还有我合作过的所有人,基本就没人能身体状况全满分,
So when I work with people who have persistent pain, chronic pain, which, by the way, nearly all of my athlete friends, all of the pros, everyone I've ever worked with has basically, like, I've never been a 100%.
也许我10岁的时候还能全满分。
Maybe when I was 10 years old, I was a 100%.
长大之后所有人都是带着各种不舒服、小伤痛在坚持运动。
Everything else is working around some discomfort or a tweak.
而且只要你参加过体育运动,说实话,想不受伤都难。
And if you ever play a sport, I mean, god forbid, you're gonna get tweaked.
对吧?
Right?
健身房其实是地球上最能控制各种变量的地方。
The gym is actually the safest place on the planet to really control the variables.
所以我们可以这么说,嘿。
So what we can start to say is, well, hey.
首要任务是,不管是什么问题。
The first order of business is, I don't care what it is.
我就是不想再受它困扰了。
I just don't wanna have it.
对吧?
Right?
就让我恢复到原来的状态。
Just give me back to it.
这可以通过一些简单的手段来实现,比如脱敏训练。
And we can do that through a lot of simple tools called desensitization.
因为大家都知道,很大程度上也多亏了这个播客,你的大脑并不是直接接收身体的信号,而是会解读这些信号。
Because as everyone knows, thanks large part to this podcast too, your brain does not into your brain interprets what's going on with your body.
你的肘部并不会大喊‘好痛’。
Your your your elbow isn't screaming pain.
是你大脑觉得,这可能是个危险的信号。
Your brain thinks that that is maybe a threat signal.
它把这种症状、这些信息解读为威胁。
It's interpreting this this symptom, this information as threat.
我们经常看到,有人一瘸一拐地走路,但当一些看起来很健康的人走过时,他的瘸步突然就消失了,你知道的,然后过一会儿又开始瘸了。
And so what we want because we have seen all the time where someone's, like, limping around and some beautiful people walk by, the limp goes away, you know, and then they're limping again.
所以,这些反应其实是可以被 override 的。
And so you can really override these things.
如果你打过架,你有没有经历过那种情况?
And if you've ever been in a fight have you ever been in a fight?
你是说真刀真枪的打斗?
Like a physical fight?
对。
Yeah.
没有过。
No.
哦,原来如此。
Oh, okay.
那打架这件事里有个很少有人知道的真相:打斗的时候你完全不会感觉到疼,因为你的大脑会自动判定,当下疼痛根本不重要。
So the dirtiest secret about fighting is you don't feel any pain while you're fighting because your brain's like, that's not important right now.
打架结束之后你才会觉得疼,但打架过程中,疼痛会轻很多。
You're gonna feel pain after the fight, but during the fight, less pain.
那是不是交感神经系统的激活
So does activation of the sympathetic nervous system
起到了
play
这个作用
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在其中起什么作用?
role in that?
是的。
Yes.
对。
Yes.
所以我们能够克服这些反应。
And so we can override these things.
我们想说的是,嘿。
What we try to say is, hey.
你有哪些可用的工具?
What are the tools available to you?
你能刮痧吗?
Could you scrape?
你能拔罐吗?
Can you cup?
你能做按摩吗?
Can you massage?
你能用一些等长训练吗?
Can you use some isometrics?
要不要试试敲击疗法?
What about some percussion?
有没有一些简单的方法,让你觉得——
Are there some simple ways where you're like, okay.
舒服多了。
Feels better.
咱们继续吧。
Let's move.
这就为我们创造了行动的空间,而这些方法和技巧,我们对所有团队都通用。
And it creates a window of opportunity for us to move, which is the same tools and techniques we use for all of our teams.
对吧?
Right?
我们还是会照常列队行进。
We're still gonna go out and march.
我们对受伤的定义其实挺巧妙的,就是说,嘿。
When we define injury, which is something clever, it's that, hey.
还没严重到非得去找人帮忙的地步。
It's not so bad that I need to go get help.
真正的分界线是,你突然没法履行在家庭中的角色,也没法上班了。
That's a that's the marker where suddenly I can't occupy my role in my family, can't do my job.
对吧?
Right?
如果你腰疼得连工作都去不了,那这就是医疗紧急情况。
If your back hurts so bad, you're not going to work, that's a medical emergency.
对吧?
Right?
所有那些危险信号——夜间盗汗、头晕、发烧、呕吐、恶心,这些都很明显。
All the red flags, night sweats, dizziness, fever, vomiting, nausea, that seems obvious.
你的孩子发烧了。
Your child has a fever.
她不需要什么巫术牙线或者膝盖护理。
She's not you know, doesn't need a voodoo floss or knee.
嘿。
Hey.
受伤的机制很清楚。
There's a clear mechanism of injury.
我扭了一下,听见‘啪’的一声。
My I tweaked my I felt a pop.
我的腿骨都戳出来了。
There's a bone sticking out of my leg.
从台阶上踩空了。
Stepped off a curb.
明白了。
Okay.
这些明显的迹象说明我必须立即启动紧急医疗系统。
Those are clear indicators that I need to activate the emergency emergency medical system.
其他所有事情都跟训练、营养和睡眠有关。
Everything else is a feature of training and nutrition and sleep.
事实上,我们应该像对待关节活动受限或力量下降一样来对待疼痛。
In fact, we wanna treat pain just like loss of range of motion, just like loss of force production.
它只不过是一种数据而已。
It's just another sort of data.
比如,HRV异常了,有点疼。
Like, oh, HRV is off, little pain.
我们应该把这些信号看作是提供类似信息的指标。
We should see those as as similar in terms of the information they give us.
对吧?
Right?
当然,你可能睡眠不好、恢复差,但那只是让人烦心而已。
Except, you know, you can have crappy sleep and poor recovery and still, you know but that's annoying.
那我们就可以问了,这些组织里有没有可能通过某种方式减轻淤积?
So then we can ask, well, hey, is there some decongestion that could happen in these tissues?
这时候你突然就明白了,为什么桑拿、散步、加压和诺玛泰克靴子这些方法都有效,也许还可以用神经肌肉电刺激、淋巴引流或者Vutiflo。
Well, suddenly, we're like, oh, I understand why it's sauna and walking and compression and NormaTec boots, and maybe I use an NMES device or lymphatic drainage or Vutiflo.
有很多办法可以帮助促进组织内淤积物和肿胀的消散,让它们顺着身体向上流动、被清除掉。比如,有人膝盖有骨关节炎,平时也不怎么活动,但膝盖因为受力、营养、睡眠这些因素的累积,现在就开始肿了。
There's a lot of things we could do to facilitate moving congestion, moving swelling up the chain, and clearing it because a congested tissue, like, you know, someone has OA in their knee, osteoarthritis, and they're they haven't done anything, but the knee has reacted to the loading and maybe the nutrition and the sleep and whatever, and now it's swollen.
所以我们想的是,嗯。
And so what we're thinking is, hey.
普通人身上带着组织淤积的情况很常见,这种淤积不仅会拖慢恢复速度,还会限制血液流动。
The typical person can run around with a congested tissue, and that congestion can rate limit healing, but it'll also limit blood flow.
而且,它还很可能是导致组织敏感的主要原因。
But also, it can very much be the driver of sensitivity.
你可以在旧伤部位因为淤积而让组织变得异常敏感。
So you can sensitize a tissue by having kind of congestion in an old tissue.
那接下来我们就可以问了,那血流又该怎么改善?
Then we could ask, well, what about blood flow?
热身之后这种情况有没有好转?
Did it get better once you warmed up?
没错,身体活动开了之后,就会开始舒服很多。
Because, yeah, once you start to warm up, it starts to feel better.
那应该就不是什么大问题。
Ah, that's probably not a problem.
这其实就是大脑在给你发信号。
That's, you know, the brain saying, hey.
那我们得想想办法提升血流量。
Let's get some some blood flow.
要怎么把代谢废物清出去,再把营养物质送进来呢?
How do we take the garbage out and bring the groceries in?
最后我们还要考虑一个问题:活动度要怎么保证?
And the last thing we say is, well, what about the range of motion?
毕竟这一点从来都没人专门帮我们检查过。
Because that never gets us checked.
对吧?
Right?
不过,我能把我想做的事做得足够好。
Well, I can do what I wanna do well enough.
但要是你真的缺了一大块活动范围呢?
But what if it was that you had a big chunk of missing range of motion?
那我们就有可能改善它了。
Well, suddenly, we could improve that.
在处理其他系统的同时,你也可以改善这一点。
You can improve that while working on these other systems.
等我们走完这个小清单,你的大脑很可能就会觉得:这根本不是问题。
And by the time we've worked through that little rubric, chances are your brain's like, that's not a problem.
咱们去举铁吧。
Let's go lift.
好的。
Alright.
说到泡沫轴,我听说过的说法真是五花八门,证据也不统一。
So when it comes to foam rollers, I mean, it's something that I've heard such mixed data and evidence.
我说听说,是因为我自己还没真去翻过相关文献,看看到底怎么说。
And I say heard because I haven't really dive into the literature myself to to look at what it says.
但你有实际经验。
But you've got real world experience.
你懂这方面的科学原理。
You know the science.
泡沫轴能帮人缓解那种疼痛点吗?
Can foam rolling help you work through, you know, a painful
当然可以。
Yes.
痛点?
Point?
具体该怎么做呢?
How do we do it?
那我该怎么做呢?
Like, what should I be doing?
首先得明白,泡沫轴并不能解决所有问题。
So let's start with that foam roller doesn't solve all the problems.
如果它能解决所有问题,那世上就没问题了。
If it solved all the problems, there'd be no problems.
这个道理我们已经明白了。
We've gotten that message.
对吧?
Right?
但你可能需要一个小一点的球。
But, you may need a smaller ball.
你可能需要更硬一点的工具。
You may need something harder.
也许你需要一种更贴合你身体形状的器械。
You might need something that fits your body a little differently.
我们一直都是从系统层面来分析问题的——要是光躺在地上滚来滚去就能治好膝盖的各种问题,那这些问题早就都解决了,
There's no we always talk in a systems approach that if laying on the ground and rolling back and forth fixed knee cancer, we would have fixed knee rabies already.
这些难题肯定早就被攻克了。
Like, we would have solved these problems.
不过研究结论很明确:泡沫轴确实有用,它能提升活动幅度、促进血液循环,还能缓解疼痛敏感度。
The research is clear though that can help with range of motion, it can help with blood flow, it can help desensitize painful things.
而且要是我们不先把各个概念界定清楚,很快就会说不清楚,容易出混乱。
And pretty soon, if we haven't defined our terms, it can be a little sticky.
如果我让你把股四头肌放在泡沫轴上,然后做收缩放松的练习,这其实是一套设计得很精细的操作。
So if I have you laying your quad, your quads on a roller, and then contract and relax, that's a very sophisticated thing we're doing there.
我们是在给大脑传递信号,告诉它在这个姿势下发力是安全的。
We're teaching your brain it's safe to develop force in this position.
说白了,这其实就是另一种巧妙的等长收缩训练而已。
That's just really a sneaky version of an isometric again.
你说对吧?
Right?
所以我突然意识到,如果我在做软组织处理时,能多解释一下背景,而不是光躺在那儿瞎按,那效果会好很多。比如,我会特意在疼痛区域的上方和下方都做做,意识到小腿或大腿前侧的问题可能正是导致膝盖疼痛的原因。
So suddenly, realized that, you know, if I give context to some of the soft tissue work I'm doing, instead of just laying down and hoping I'm pressing guests, I'm a little bit more thoughtful about, hey, I'm gonna work above an area of pain, work below an area of pain, recognizing that maybe my calves or my quads could be contributing to knee pain.
我们发现,当人们接触某种疗法达到一定量时,通常会建议把每个肌群的处理时间控制在五分钟以内,免得过度刺激。
We find that when people get enough of a dose of something, we tend to say, hey, let's limit this to five minutes per muscle system so you don't overdo it.
但其实只要时间够,我们完全有能力带来一些真正的改变。
But we can actually get in there long enough that we can make some change.
这一点确实能带来不同。
That seems to make a difference.
如果疼到你连气都喘不上来,那说明身体在持续发出危险信号,肌肉一直紧绷着,这可不行。
If it's so painful that you're not breathing, you're just signaling threat and contracting all the time, that's no good.
所以我们常跟人说:做的时候,一定要保证能正常呼吸。
So of the things we like to say to people is, hey, let's make sure you can take a breath while you're doing that.
所以有两个简单原则,只要你做到,就绝不会过头:第一,能呼吸的话,哪怕特别难受,也一定要保持呼吸。
So the two kind of rules that you're never gonna overdo it is if you can breathe, it might be really uncomfortable, but you should breathe.
第二,你得能控制住自己的动作。
And number two, you should be able to control.
你应该能够主动收缩肌肉。
You should be able to contract.
如果你的神经系统被过度刺激,导致完全无法控制肌肉,那可能就过头了。
So if you're overwhelming your nervous system where you can't have any muscle control, maybe that's a little bit too much.
世界上有太多从事身体调理的人了。
And then, you know, keep in mind that there's a lot of body workers in the world.
要么他们是在忽悠人,因为按摩、泰式按摩、指压这些方法太多了,要么其中真有道理。
So either they're scamming us because there's so many massage, Thai massage, shih tzu, like or there's something to that.
就算我们只说,也许这一切的核心其实就是低强度的控制?
And even if we just said, hey, how about the whole thing is just about low side of control?
你回到家,感觉哪儿不舒服,但至少你能自己动手,掌握主动权。
That you get home and you're like, something hurts and I have some agency and control over it.
要长期改善组织状态,就得施加负荷、多活动,这没错,但这套方法是缓解疼痛、恢复活动范围、促进血液循环、降低神经紧张的有力工具。
Making long term tissue changes, we gotta load, we need to move, we have to you know, but this is a powerful tool to get out of pain, restore range of motion, right, to improve blood flow, to down regulate.
我们通常喜欢在晚上做软组织放松。
We like to do the soft tissue work in the evening, for example.
首先,你本来就已经坐在地上了。
So number one, you we're already sitting on the ground.
但如果我们花十分钟做软组织放松,会发现这能带来很强的副交感神经反应,就像做按摩一样。
But if we do engage in ten minutes of soft tissue work, we found that that had a huge parasympathetic input, like a massage.
没人做完按摩从按摩床上站起来,立马就想打架的。
You never get stuff off the massage table and it's like, let's fight.
这种事根本不会发生。
It just doesn't happen.
对吧?
Right?
但你自己轻轻按摩一下,就是在告诉大脑:现在很安全,你在放松,你在触碰那些紧绷或受限的部位,帮助组织恢复滑动和活动,剩下的我们明天再继续。
But a little bit of self massage, you're signaling to the brain it's safe, you're relaxing, you're touching things that are tight or restricted or restoring how tissues are sliding and gliding, and then we'll get the rest of it tomorrow.
你会发现,你的大脑会形成这样的模式:先坐在地上,然后做软组织放松,接着去睡觉。
And what you'll find is that you brain is like, we sit on the ground, then we do the soft tissue, then we go to bed.
这样一来,你就慢慢建立起一个习惯了。
Now you're starting to be set up a habit.
现在你的呼吸开始慢慢平稳下来了。
Now you start to down regulate your breathing changes.
这真的非常有效。
That's really, really powerful.
软组织按摩只是整个体系中的一个环节。
Soft tissue work is one feature of the whole system.
它并不是唯一的部分。
It's not the only feature.
等长收缩也很有效,但最重要的是,我们正在努力改善活动范围,并且对这个范围进行前后对比测试。
Isometrics are really powerful, but what's most important is that we have a range of motion we're trying to improve, and we're doing test retest on that range of motion.
有恢复吗?
Did that restore?
你提到的延迟性肌肉酸痛,就是练得太猛,去跑了个步。
Or you mentioned DOMS, to lean onset muscle soreness, workout really hard, you went for a run.
跑步让那些僵硬的组织重新滑动起来。
That running is getting those tissues sliding and gliding again.
对吧?
Right?
只是让那些游离神经末梢恢复,让筋膜活动起来。
Just restoring those free nerve endings, getting fascia to move.
我认为,而且研究也支持,如果你在高强度训练后做软组织放松,可以减轻延迟性肌肉酸痛。
I submit that and the research supports that if you do soft tissue work after heavy training, decrease your DOMS.
所以,训练后酸痛和疼痛减轻,这个说法成立吗?
So is that valid to have less soreness and pain after training?
我觉得挺好的。
Seems good to me.
我也是这么看的。
I liken that.
我给你推荐两个资源。
Point two resources for you.
有一个关于柔韧性研究的Instagram账号,内容特别棒,全是科学依据和研究,非常清晰明了。
There's I think it's flexibility research, incredible Instagram follow, all of the science, all of the research, really, you know, very clear.
我的朋友布伦特·布鲁克布什,布鲁克布什研究所的创始人,整理了大量关于这方面的科学研究,我想谈谈我们是如何把这些研究成果应用到实际训练中的。
And then my friend Brent Brookbush, the Brookbush Institute has written and aggregated so much research about the science of all this that I wanna talk about how we have integrated the science into actual practice.
这正是我的专长。
That's my expertise.
但如果你真想深入了解,可以去布鲁克布什研究所看看。
But if you really want, go to the Brookbush Institute.
那里有大量研究,讲这些东西到底起什么作用、效果如何、不同评估者之间的一致性等等。
There's so much research there about, you know, what these things do, how effective they are, inter rater reliability, etcetera, etcetera.
你能说说这个误解吗?就是觉得非得肌肉酸痛才算练好了。
Can you tell me about this misconception that you need soreness to have had a good workout?
对,没错。
Oh, right?
我以前也这么想,具体多久了我都记不清了。
I mean, I've I had that mentality for I don't even know how long.
说实话,到现在我还在跟这种想法较劲。
I mean, I still battle it.
我到现在还想着,那到底是什么时候的事?
I'm still like, when was it?
我知道。
I know.
我还没酸到够劲儿。
I'm not sore enough.
那这么说吧。
How about this?
你去训练了,感觉状态不错,动作也做得挺流畅。
You train and you actually felt good, and then you could, I mean, move.
所有刚入门的人,刚开始都会酸。
You everyone who's a beginner, you're gonna be sore.
不好意思。
Sorry.
别道歉了,这没什么好道歉的。
Sorry, not sorrys.
你知道吧,你从厕所出来,一做深蹲,准得骂教练。
You know, you're gonna get off the toilet, and you're gonna, you know, you're gonna have you're gonna curse out your coach in these squats.
对吧?
Right?
但随着时间推移,我们会发现,这种酸痛开始拖累你的表现。
But what we start to see is over time, that soreness gets in the way of your performance.
对吧?
Right?
力量输出下降。
Decreased force production.
我们的目标是让身体做出恰到好处的适应反应——能照常训练,又不至于疼得厉害到影响状态。
The the goal is to have this right adaptation response where we can still go out and perform, but not be so brutalized and sore that we're surprised and it diminishes us.
你不需要非得酸到不行,但得有足够的刺激来打破身体的平衡状态。
So you don't have to get sore, but we wanna have enough of a stimulus to disrupt homeostasis.
具体效果会因你的饮食状况而异。
And your mileage may vary based on your nutrition.
我最近才发现自己需要补铁。
I recently found out I was needed to get on an iron supplement.
我本人。
Me.
是不是挺意外的?
Right?
挺有意思的。
Isn't that interesting?
真奇怪。
Curious.
之前没吃够Omega-3。
Was not taking enough omega threes.
你不是刚提醒我,说我的摄入量得加点吗?
You you recently were like, hey, problem you'd up that.
我每天都在吃,但Omega-3指数还是不够。
I was taking my daily dose, my omega three index, not sufficient.
补上铁剂,也补上Omega-3鱼油。
Get on the iron, get on the omega threes.
猜猜是谁训练后不再那么酸痛了?
Guess who gets less sore in his training?
就是我。
This guy.
你看啊,其实我们有很多方法都能缓解酸痛,但我想说的是,全力以赴练到身体发酸,这其实才是进步的证明。
Because, you know, we can so there what my point is that there's a lot of things we can do to mitigate soreness, but just we're gonna do a bunch of work until you're sore, And I think that's progress.
这根本没起色啊。
That's not progress.
对的。
Right.
还有可能就是,你用到了一些平时很少用到的肌肉群。
And also perhaps you're just using, you know, muscle groups that you don't often use.
对吧?
Right?
我是说,确实如此。
I mean, that's Yeah.
还有另一点。
The other thing.
更重要的是,这些肌肉酸痛有没有让你的骨密度发生变化?
And and more importantly, did all that soreness change your bone density?
你变强壮了吗?
Did you get stronger?
你的衡量标准是什么?
Like, what what are your metrics?
你就只是觉得酸痛?
Like, you're just sore?
你做了不少训练,然后就酸痛了?
You did a bunch of work and are sore?
再说一遍,你根本没取得实质进展。
Again, there's no you haven't moved the needle.
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纯粹就是瞎忙活了一场。
You just created a lot of noise.
对。
Right.
说到酸痛,还有件事我一直想问你。这个问题困扰我很多年了,而且我知道还有至少两三个女性朋友也有一模一样的状况,肯定不是肩周炎。
Speaking of soreness, the the other thing I wanted to ask you about, and this is a problem I've had for many years, But I also know at least two to three other women who have the exact same problem and know it's not frozen shoulder.
就是举重物过头顶的时候出的问题。
It's overhead weight.
比如在做抓举这个动作的时候,大概是这样,
So, like, having, like, you know, if you're doing a snatch, I guess.
懂吧?
Right?
或是举着重物过头顶的时候,不管用的是哑铃、杠铃还是别的什么重物,
Or, like, doing weight overhead, whether it's dumbbells or a barbell or anything that's, you know, weight.
脖子都会出问题。
And it having an having a neck problem with it.
不是做动作的时候特别明显,而是第二天特别持久。
Like, not while you're doing it so much, but, like, the next day, that that's really persistent.
那你有没有遇到过这种情况?这是不是个活动度的问题?
So, have you do you have any is this like a a mobility problem?
你知道我在说啥吗?
Do you know what I'm talking about?
你听说过这种问题吗?
Have you heard of this?
首先,把重量举过头顶,其实非常讲究技巧,得做得既有效又有力。
Well, first of all, let's say that there's very much technique involved with putting weights over our head as effectively and powerful as we could.
我知道你有个特别棒的教练。
I know you have an excellent coach.
其次,你可能会开始留意到一件事,就是:
Number two is that we might become curious about the fact that, hey.
我的一些组织已经变得很僵硬、纤维化了。
I have tissues that are really fibrotic and stiff.
那我们能做点什么来改善这种情况吗?
Is there anything we could do about that?
如果我们只是做推举,练完之后感觉肩部特别紧,不如让你滚个泡沫轴,或者用个球放松一下,先试着恢复这些部位的活动度,然后再重新测试一下。
So if we just played press and guess, traps feel tight afterwards, like, let's get you on a roller, let's get you on a ball, let's start working, see if we can restore motion to these segments, and and then run our test again.
这样会不会让你感觉好一些?
Does it make us feel better?
我们还可以问一下,你肩膀举过头顶的时候,活动范围是完整的吗?
Then we could also ask, do you have full range of motion overhead?
也许你之所以在某些姿势下训练,是因为你举过头顶的动作不够充分。
And could be that you're working in positions because you have incomplete overhead position.
你当然还是能做,也不疼,但效率没那么高,而这个信号可能就是提示我们可以在这方面做点改进。
You can still do it, and it doesn't hurt, but you're not doing it as efficiently, and maybe this signal is one of those things that you're we can improve that.
明白了。
Okay.
对。
Yeah.
我的意思是,这事儿其实以前就存在,你知道的
I mean, this is something like even back when, you know
我认同这种基于个人经验的累积式观察方式,这正是你描述的那样
And I believe in serial anecdotal empiricism, which is what you described.
对
Yeah.
确实如此
It is.
就连用轻一点的哑铃,比如每只手举八公斤,总共十六公斤做 overhead press 时,也是这样
And and it's even with lighter dumbbells, like if I do, you know, eight eight with each hand, so I'm 16 total overhead presses.
你懂的
You know?
我一直不敢做头顶推举,就是怕触发不适
And it's like, I I've been avoiding the overhead press because of fear of activating.
主要是斜方肌会酸,有时候甚至会抽筋
And it is the traps that get sore, and sometimes it even spasms.
但我现在有两个朋友,都是女朋友,她们也遇到完全一样的问题,就是做不了头顶推举。
But it's it's something that I've now two friends, two girlfriends that have the exact same problem where they can't do overhead pressing.
你觉得这样很合理,对吧?
And how reasonable that you're like, hey.
我做这个动作的时候会疼,或者做完感觉不舒服,那我自然就不想做了。
I do this exercise, and it hurts me or makes me hurt, or I don't feel good afterwards.
我对这个动作有点害怕,这完全说得通。
I'm a little afraid of doing that exercise.
我觉得这非常合理。
That seems very reasonable to me.
脖子疼啊,我是说,这疼会持续很久。
Well, the neck pain, I mean, it'll be it'll last.
它会影响我的睡眠。
It'll affect my sleep.
是的。
Yeah.
我是说,
I mean,
那就成了一个恶性循环了。
then it's like this vicious cycle.
所以我也去看过物理治疗师,他们分析的方向是:会不会是代偿的问题?就像你刚才提到的,可能我的活动幅度达不到最大,导致其他部位绷得太紧,或是在别的地方用力过度代偿,而这些问题又没有被——
So, you know and I've seen a physical therapist about it, and it's kind of like, well, is it a compensation thing where you're like, you know, like, you're mentioning maybe I'm not as full range of motion, and so something else is tightening up or I'm comp overcompensating in some other way that's not really being
不对。
No.
有好处吗?
Beneficial?
有个简单的入门方法,第一点就是我会建议,先从吊起来开始,让手臂举过头顶保持平行,同时做几组呼吸,就这么练。
An easy way to start so number one is I would say, hey, let's start getting you some hanging where your arms are parallel over your head, and taking some breaths and do that.
看看能不能先慢慢适应这个过头举的姿势。
And let's see if we start to expose that overhead position.
当我们深入研究运动原理的时候,会去分析动作的起始姿势是否合理,还有结束姿势的状态。
As we get into complex understanding of movement, we look at start position effectiveness and finish position.
也就是说,如果我做推举动作的时候,起始姿势就不对,那最后根本不可能落到一个漂亮的标准姿势上。
So if I'm pressing overhead and I'm starting in a less effective position, then it's really difficult for me to end in a great position.
没错吧?
Right?
这就是为什么壶铃底部起始的推举动作,会强迫我们举过头顶的时候保持正确的身体姿态。
That's why that bottom up kettlebell press forces us to be in a good shape as we press overhead.
但如果我没办法完全做到标准的过头位,只能把胳膊举到这个位置,还要稍微内旋才能完成,那看上去胳膊是举过头顶了,但根本不是完整的标准姿态。
But if I don't have complete overhead position, my overhead position is here where I have to internally rotate a little bit, I'll achieve some overhead like shape, but that's not full position.
就算我现在推举杠铃的时候,动作幅度根本碰不到完全过顶的位置,我还是会先检查这个完整的过顶姿态合不合格。
So even if I'm pressing a barbell out here where I'm not anywhere near full overhead position, I would still check this full overhead position.
也许是出于种种原因,你没法顺畅地做出这个动作,毕竟你之前的生活状态一直都很不错,而这次的运动问题刚好把这个情况暴露出来,让我们能好好研究一下。
And it could be that we just don't have as efficient access for whatever reason because you've had this amazing life, and now this movement is highlighting something for us that we can become curious about.
因为你本来是有能力做到的
Because you should be able
完成引体向上的。
to pull up.
做辅助引体向上。
To do pull up, assisted pull ups.
没什么坏处。
Doesn't hurt.
不会让肩膀不适。
Doesn't flare up with the with the No.
悬垂。
Hanging.
我要多做点这个。
I'm gonna do more of it.
我经常悬垂,感觉挺舒服的。
I do hang, and it feels good.
说真的,你做引体向上,本来就一直在悬垂啊。
I like Hell, if you're doing pull ups, you're hanging already.
你本来就挂着呢。
You're there.
你是对的。
You're Yeah.
我确实做引体向上,但没遇到这个问题。
I I do pull I do pull ups, and I don't have that problem.
所以这 definitely
So it's definitely
你知道,我们可以调整姿势,比如让你拇指朝后,这样肩膀自然会处于一个更有效的力学位置,稳定性也会更好。
You know, we can we can constrain it, you know, if I have you put your thumbs backwards, then the shoulder by necessity is gonna be in a mechanically sort of more effective position where I'm gonna have better features of stability.
肩关节囊的张力会更合理,发力的机制也会更顺畅。
The the capsules are wound up, the mechanic of pressing is a little bit better.
当任何人出现疼痛,无论是某个部位还是某个动作,我们通常有两个办法。
And in this situation, I might even have you you know, when anyone has pain with a problem, an area or movement, there's two things we can always do.
要么在疼痛的活动范围内暂停,要么放慢速度。
We can always pause if I have a painful range, or b, I slow down.
所以我们可以放慢动作,让你展示出你对这个动作有控制力,向大脑传递安全信号,而不是直接做高过头顶的动作。
So we can slow this down a little bit and ask you to show me that you've got control, signal that it's safe to the brain, etcetera, instead of sort of, I'm overhead.
对吧?
Right?
我其实没怎么去碰那些 overhead 的动作,也没拿它们当诊断工具。
And I didn't really touch some of those overhead shapes and really use it as a diagnostic.
但在这个情况下,我特别想了解一下。
But in this situation, I'd be really curious.
我们再来看看你肩膀的活动范围。
Again, let's look at your range of motion of that shoulder.
我猜可能有些地方活动受限,我自己都没意识到,却一直在做这些动作。
I bet that there's some rhyming things that maybe I've got a little restricted because I didn't know, and I'm doing all the things.
现在我得到了反馈,这个姿势并不总是舒服。
And now I'm getting this feedback that this position doesn't always feel good.
偶尔一次没关系,但如果经常这样,那就说明有问题了。
Once in a while is fine, but if it's happening all the time, then
确实一直在发生。
we can It's happening.
是的。
Yeah.
对这件事多留个心眼。
And Become curious about it.
普通人在家该怎么处理呢?我说的是我的情况,但别人也有类似的问题,比如泡沫轴啊、眨眼啊这些情况。
How would a person at home, like, let's you know, I'm talking about my problem, but other people have styrofoam, the blink blink problems.
当时正好有个应用,里面包含了很多简单的居家运动测试。
Only there was an app that had all of these simple movement tests you could do at home.
就是那个应用,你用的那个。
And that's what and that's the app that you you have.
那个应用叫什么来着?
What's the name of that app again?
叫 Mobility Coach。
It's called the mobility coach.
Mobility Coach。
The mobility coach.
我们这么做的原因,我来给你简单说一下。
And the reason what we're trying to do is so let me I'll lay out for you real quick.
Built to Move 里头有非常简单的步行评估和一些活动范围测试。
Built to Move, we've got really simple pedestrian assessments and some range of motion.
这些都是些基础内容。
These are some things.
所以你先从入门开始。
So entree in.
这个应用里的自我评估功能很智能,但操作简单,一看就懂。
The app has really sophisticated self assessments, but easy to do, easy to understand.
我们会关注一些基本的活动范围,你能在费用里看到对应的体现。
We're gonna look at fundamental ranges, and you should see it in the cost.
你就会明白,原来我们做这些是有道理的。
You'd be like, oh, I understand why we're doing that.
也许你不太理解,为什么我们要测某些动作的旋转幅度,但这些细节都有它的作用,而且全都交由用户自己掌握。
May maybe you don't understand why we're looking at rotation in some of these things, but there are components there, and that all belongs in the hand of the user.
我们还有一系列专业课程,涉及更复杂的完整、不完整和实操评估,但这些我们并不需要。
Then we have a whole host of professional courses where we're much more sophisticated about complete, incomplete, hands on assessing, but we don't need that.
对于普通人来说,我们只需要清楚自己的基本活动标准,然后找出可以改善和恢复这些动作的机会。
For the average person, we should be able to know what our movement minimums are and then start to identify opportunities to work and restore those positions.
因为这部分内容常常被忽视,人们只关注表现和功率数据。
Because that is really part of the conversation that gets lost in search or in in service of performance and wattage.
我们不是在问你有没有达到标准活动范围。
We're not looking at, did you express normative ranges?
尽管传统的力量训练确实要求我们具备完整的活动范围。
Even though the classic strength and conditioning really does ask us to have full range of motion.
所以传统力量训练的模式其实都是一样的。
That's why strengthening classic strength and conditioning is all the same.
前蹲、后蹲、弓步、引体向上、卧推,这些其实都是测试动作。
Front squat, back squat, lunge, pull up, bench, those are all tests.
我去过地球上所有大陆,除了南极洲。
I've been on every continent except Antarctica.
俯卧撑这个动作大家都知道是什么
Everyone knows what a push up is.
这个动作就是短力臂状态下,肩关节伸展动作的通用标准演示
That is our universal expression of shoulder extension in a short lever position.
没错吧?
Right?
我根本不需要做一大堆测试
I don't need a bunch of tests.
我得看看你做俯卧撑的时候动作幅度能到多大。
I need to see how well you and how much range you have in a push up.
我特别喜欢做俯卧撑。
I love push ups.
我出门旅行的时候最爱做的训练就是辛迪训练组了。
My my favorite workout to do anytime I'm traveling is the Cindy workout.
对啊,这个训练不是挺简单的吗?
Oh, isn't that so simple?
我做的Cindy比世界上任何其他训练都多,各位。
I've done Cindy more than any other workout in the history of the world, everyone.
Cindy是最棒的训练。
Cindy is the best workout.
给大伙儿解释一下这是什么。
Explain what that is to people.
就是五个引体向上,十个俯卧撑,十五个空中深蹲。
So it's five pull ups, 10 push ups, 15 air squats.
你可以每分钟做一组。
You can do it on the minute.
你想做多少轮都行。
You can do it as many rounds as you want.
你有十分钟的时间。
You have ten minutes.
你有十五分钟的时间。
You have fifteen minutes.
这种自重训练量非常棒。
That body weight volume is excellent.
加两分钟骑自行车。
Put a bike on it for two minutes.
做一轮。
Do a round.
加上骑自行车。
Put a bike on it.
做三轮。
Do three rounds.
我们管这个叫Cindy的简化版,很快你就能一直循环这套动作了。
We call it Cindy ish, and pretty soon you can rinse, wash, repeat that combo forever.
我最喜欢的Cindy简化版训练是,比如我出门旅行住酒店的时候,我会做自重深蹲,然后做俯卧撑,再做V字卷腹。
My favorite Cindy ish workout for me is, like, if I'm in my you know, like I said, I'm traveling, I'm in a hotel, is I'll I'll do the body weight squats, and then do push ups, and then V ups.
这简直要命。
There Killing.
就是它了。
There it is.
你刚才说的这个,二十分钟内就能完成。
And what you've just described is in twenty minutes
二十分钟。
Twenty minutes.
没错。
Right.
不需要任何器械,锻炼量还特别大。
You've got tons of exposure, no equipment.
太棒了。
Wonderful.
太棒了。
Wonderful.
你提到的这些动作,涉及很多不同的方面,比如活动范围、血液循环,特别是肌腱部位——那里本来血流就很少。
This, we have so many different things that you mentioned to get into in terms of range of motion, you know, the the blood flow, especially at the tendons, you know, not a lot of blood flow at the tendons.
不过我们可以先从这个活动关节和热身开始。
But maybe we can start there with this range of motion and warming up.
你知道的。
You know?
我之前和教练一起训练,幸运的是,她非常专业。
Because I mean so I worked with my coach, and, thankfully, you know, she knows what she's doing.
要是没有她,我根本分不清热身和拉伸的区别。
And so if I hadn't had her, I wouldn't really have known the difference between warming up and stretching.
我更不会明白热身的真正目的是什么,而你待会儿还会给我讲更多。
I certainly wouldn't really understand what the goal of warming up is, and and you're you're gonna educate me even more.
但通过跟着她做,我慢慢明白了,首先得花两分钟先把心率提起来。
But just from learning through experiencing what she tells me to do, I've realized that it's like, okay, first thing, you know, I'm just kind of like, I do two minutes of just getting my heart rate up first thing.
要么划船,要么跳绳。
So it's either rowing or jumping rope.
这两分钟之后,才慢慢进入更全面的关节活动。
And then after that two minutes, then we kind of get into more range of motion.
你知道吧。
You know?
如果练手臂,我会先用杆子做穿透动作;要是当天要深蹲,就先做自重深蹲,然后再上杠铃深蹲。
If I'm doing arms, I'll do pass throughs with a pole, or we'll do, you know, body weight squats first if I'm gonna be squatting that day, and then we go barbell only squats.
我会慢慢加到最终要练的重量,但整个过程其实是在热身。
And I eventually, like, you know, gradually get to the weight that I'm eventually gonna do, but I'm warming up.
要是我自己瞎练,根本不会知道要这么做。
But I wouldn't have known to do all that if I was just kinda working out on my own.
这太不可思议了。
That's crazy.
我们以前是怎么漏掉这些的,帕特里克医生?
How how did we fail, doctor Patrick?
你想想,我马上要干一件特别猛的事,结果就只是在自行车上骑了十分钟。
Where you're like, hey, I'm not I'm about to go do this crazy thing and maybe I just spun on the bike for ten minutes.
我环顾四周。
I looked around.
我们根本没教过大家正确的热身流程到底是怎样的。
We just haven't really taught people, hey, here's what it looks like.
按理说我们本该在高中就学会这些的,那时候我们还在参加竞技体育,后来大家就只是随便运动健身了。
And theoretically, we should have gotten that in high school when we were still engaged in sports, competitive sports before we we all became rec athletes.
但现在看来,其实我们完全有机会帮大家改善状态,学会正确的动作准备方法。
But what you see is that there's a real opportunity to help people feel better and prepare for the movement.
先别急着误会我的意思。
And don't get me wrong.
我觉得正常人的身体状态得能做到:在街上突然冲出去,从着火的大楼里救出婴儿,还能击退一头老虎,得有这种应急能力才行。
I think you should be able to sprint down the street, grab a baby out of a burning, you know, building and fight off a tiger like that.
真遇到这种事的时候,我们的生理状态或许发挥不到最佳水平,但至少得有不预热就能完成这类突发任务的底子。
Probably not the best expression of your physiology in those moments, but we should we should be able to do those things cold.
是吧?
Right?
可你放眼看看现在的情况,大多数人根本没把热身当成调整到更好状态的机会。
But when we start to look around, we start to see that most people aren't treating their warm up as a chance to feel better.
今天我来到健身房,我是个什么样的我?
Who am I today as I show up at this gym for this thing?
你的活动范围其实是个变动的目标,就像信用评分一样,我们有个朋友这么说过。
Because your range of motion is a little bit of a moving target, and it's like a credit score, one of our friends says.
所以你要时不时问问自己:我今天有多累?
And so you're sort of touching base with, how tired am I?
我的身体有多灵活?
How springy am I?
状态怎么样?
What's going on?
今天你是在重新认识这副身体。
You're getting to know this carcass today.
对吧?
Right?
这可能意味着,嘿,你今天状态特别好,浑身有劲儿。
And that might mean, hey, you know, I just you are flying all over the place.
突然间,因为坐了飞机,身体有点僵硬。
Suddenly, you're little bit stiff from that plane ride.
你深蹲的感觉跟平时不一样了。
You your squatting doesn't feel the same.
我们是在帮大脑重新找回那些基本的动作模式。
So we're trying to remind the brain of fundamental movement patterns.
我们想让身体热起来,出点汗。
We're trying to get hot and sweaty.
我们想把神经系统激活起来。
We're trying to wake up the nervous system.
你做这些跳跃动作,就是在调动身体。
You are doing this jumping, which is activating.
你开始发热出汗了。
You're getting hot and sweaty.
你在促进血液循环。
You're shifting blood.
会发生很多情况,但这也正是个绝佳的机会,可以加入一些活动,等等——还有玩耍。
There's a lot of things that can happen, but also, we see that this is a great opportunity to add in some movement and, wait for it, play.
对吧?
Right?
在这里,你可以安全地探索各种姿势和形态。
You can explore positions and shapes safely here.
让你的脑子知道,如果以后你摆出这样的姿势,也是安全的。
Tell your brain, if I end up in this shape later on, it's gonna be safe.
那些穿插其中的动作,我们开始看到类似绳子流动的风格,还有一些来自Ito Portal、Fighting Monkey这类人的身体训练理念。
Some of those path through pass throughs there, we're starting to see rope flow, kind of some of these physical culture ideas from people like Ito Portal, Fighting Monkey.
我们把这些元素重新带回热身环节。
We're bringing those things back into our warm ups.
简单问一句:如果我们把你的热身当成一场实战,你和我要开打,那你的热身该是什么样子?
And a simple way to ask this is, if we treated your warm your workout like it was a fight, you and I are gonna fight, what does our warm up look like?
绝对不是躺在地上做泡沫轴滚动那种。
It does not look like I'm laying on the ground doing some foam rolling.
对吧?
Right?
比如你跳绳、热身、做些缺氧训练、调整呼吸、激活身体,和身边的人一起进入状态,感觉我们马上就要上场了。
Like, you're jumping rope and getting hot and prepping yourself and doing some hypoxic work and breathing and activating and integrating with the people you're like, we're about to fight.
这其实是个很好的标准,能帮你判断自己是不是真的准备好了,还是只是借着热身的名义告诉自己:今天状态不好。
Like, that's a really nice sort of rubric for am I prepared, or have I used this warm up as an opportunity to be like, I am not good today.
我就随便应付一下算了。
I'm just gonna take it easy.
对吧?
Right?
我可以把它当成一次自我评估。
I can use it as a self assessment.
所以我们热身时就尽量这么做。
So that's what we try to do in the warm up.
有时候这目标会被慢慢淡化。
It sometimes it gets a little bit watered down.
作为教练,我尽量不每天都做同样的热身。
As a coach, I try to not do the same warm up every single day.
我想让运动员们猜不到接下来会做什么。
I try to keep my athletes guessing.
我希望他们觉得有趣。
I want them to be entertained.
我希望他们保持好奇,这也是个好机会,可以把网上看到的一些东西加进热身里。
I want them to, be curious, and that's a real opportunity to put some of these things we see in the Internet.
嘿。
Hey.
这个看着挺有意思的。
That looks like fun.
我要不要也把这玩意儿加进我的热身中?
Let me try that as part of my warm up.
做一套真正有效的热身,对预防受伤有多大的帮助?
How much does doing, you know, a warm up that's properly a warm up play a role in helping with injury prevention?
嗯,
Well,
我觉得从一个简单的角度来说,我们有机会让大脑意识到,运动其实是一种技能。
I think from a simple idea that we have a chance to prime and remind our brains that movement is a skill.
对吧?
Right?
有时候我们会觉得,只要是动就行。
I I sometimes we have like, we're like, all movement is good.
对吧?
Right?
那些运动乐观派总说,你怎么动都行。
It's it's all like a the movement optimists are like, it doesn't matter what you do.
但我们真正关心的,是避免受伤,而不是单纯为了不受伤才做热身。
And we're like, well, from a from injury, which is not what we're trying to do, we're never on this track of, hey, let's warm up so we don't get injured.
我觉得那种想法有点本末倒置。
I think that's kind of a fool's errand.
而且,说实话,这没什么激励作用。
And, like, it's not really inspiring.
别受伤。
Don't get injured.
我觉得,我又没受伤。
I'm like, well, I'm not injured.
你懂的吧?
You know?
我怎么会突然受伤呢?
What's gonna happen that I'm gonna get injured?
相反,我们想的是,嘿。
Instead, we think, hey.
我们其实能完成更多工作。
We can actually get more work done.
做起来还更舒服。
We can feel better as we do it.
做起来身体没那么难受,而且我们通常发现,做完之后也不会那么僵硬。
We have less discomfort as we do it, and what we tend to see is we don't get as stiff afterwards.
当我们把大量高强度的工作压缩在很短的时间内完成时,往往没给身体足够的时间让组织充分充血、做好准备。
And so oftentimes, when we're trying to compress a lot of really dense work into a little time, we don't leave permission for us to really get tissues hyper perfused, like blood flow ready to go.
如果你一上来就推雪橇,结果跟腱拉伤了,那说明那块组织可能没得到充分热身。
If the first motion you do is push the sled and you put, you know, tear your Achilles, I'm like, well, that tissue wasn't as prepared maybe as it could have been.
其实我们本可以避免不少这种酸痛和小问题。
Maybe we could have mitigated some of these aches and tweaks.
那些肌腱附着点可能也没那么脆弱、干涩。
Maybe some of those insertions of those connective tissues weren't so, you know, friable and dry.
比如肩袖就是个典型的例子。
Just like the rotator cuff, for example.
其实只需要花一分钟。
It just takes a minute.
就像一块板结的土,得先松一松。
It's like hard packed earth.
如果你直接开始一项运动,就像用水管冲硬邦邦的土,水根本渗不进去。
And if you just take a, you know, exercise, which is like a hose blasting on hard packed earth, the water doesn't really soak in.
组织需要一点时间才能充分供血,之后你的活动范围才会更好,更重要的是,力量和耐力也会提升。
Takes a second for those tissues to, you know, to really become well perfused, and then you might have better range of motion, and more importantly, you'll have better power, better work tolerance.
其实现在已经有好多现成的理论模型了。
And then afterwards, there's all these models that exist already.
以前苏联人就说,如果你练完还僵着,那明天你还是会僵。
Like the Soviets used to say, if you leave the gym stiff, you're gonna be stiff.
如果我们回头看看那些传统的运动方式,其实很多人早就认真思考过这个问题了,但我们确实把热身的乐趣和激活效果都给丢光了。
I think if we if we take a look at some of our movement traditions, people have been training and thinking seriously about this for a long time, but we have sucked the joy out of the and the potential out of potentiation out of warm up for sure.
说到这点,我经常一身汗,我在加州大学伯克利分校当教练,也跟着女子水球队到处跑。
But to your point, when we're dripped in sweat so I coach at at Cal Berkeley, and I travel with the women's water polo team.
我是他们的体能总监。
So I'm their performance director.
我们常开玩笑说,我就是个健康顾问。
And our our joke is, like, I'm the health coach.
对吧?
Right?
有时候我得发点零食,有时候则要帮他们做活动度训练。
And sometimes that means I hand out snacks, and sometimes that means I'm doing mobility work.
我帮他们缓解疼痛,同时也负责热身和其他一些事情。
I'm helping him manage pain, but I also run the warm ups and the sort of amongst other things.
然后我们会跟另一支队伍对抗。
And we'll be battling another team.
那支队伍还穿着外套,身体僵硬,彼此之间也没配合好。
That team has their coats on, and they're real stiff and not really trained to each other.
我们的队员已经换上了运动背心。
Our women are down to their sports bras.
我们全副武装,随时准备开战,我就问:你想成为哪一队的人?
We are battling and fighting, ready to go, and I'm like, which team do you wanna be part of here?
对吧?
Right?
所以我们完全可以利用热身时间来互动、玩耍、整合状态、享受乐趣,同时表现得更好,因为身体组织这时候也更准备好了。
And so we can really use that warm up time to connect, play, integrate, have fun, and perform better because those tissues are better ready to go.
有时候时间特别紧,比如我在旅行,或者得赶着去录播客,我就知道至少得活动十分钟,让血液循环起来。
I sometimes do a really short I don't have if I don't have a lot of time, I'm traveling or I have to get to a podcast or something, And I know I need to get, like, my blood flow up for at least ten minutes.
这对我保持清醒特别重要。
Like, it's important for me to cognition.
没错。
Yeah.
你知道的,
You know,
我做什么其实都没关系。
it doesn't matter what I do.
关键是改变你的状态。
Changing your state.
我现在要从大脑切换到身体模式了。
I'm transitioning to now going from brain to, you know, meat.
没错。
Right.
但有时候我会骑上我的佩洛顿,连续做两组塔巴塔训练。
But sometimes I'll get on my Peloton, and I'll do two back to back Tabatas.
就是那种十分钟的训练,比例是二比一,二十秒全力踩,十秒休息,中间再歇三十秒。
So this, like, a it's a ten minute two to one ratio, twenty seconds on, ten seconds off, thirty second recovery in between.
但我骑上车之前从不热身,直接就开始做。
But I don't warm up before I get on that bike and I do that.
我听你刚才的意思是,像你所说的这种突然的高强度供血——你一下子从完全不动变成全力爆发,
And and what I'm hearing from you is, like, even that type of, you know, hyper perfusion as you called it, like, where you're getting all of a sudden, you're going from nothing to boom.
让血液迅速涌动起来,老兄,
You're getting that blood flow up, man.
你拼得这么猛,
You're going hard.
还是得先热身。
Needs a warm up.
那首先我们得想清楚:我们是打算只靠这一段骑行,就满足你当天所有的运动需求吗?
Well, what we could start to say is, are we trying to meet all of your movement needs only by the time we get there?
所以我们得先捋一捋,你一天里其余的时间都是怎么安排的?
So what we can start to say is, well, what does the rest of the day look like?
毕竟如果你平时大部分时间都坐着,很少动,那能站起来骑骑车已经很不错了。
Because if you're just going from sitting to more sitting and we have a little like, that's already great.
至少你让心率提上来了。
You're you're getting your heart rate up.
你开始加快呼吸了
You're starting to breathe.
我们完全可以在这个过程里加入屏息训练
We could we could put in breath holds there.
也可以加入低氧训练
We could do hypoxic work there.
哪怕只是先调低阻力、慢慢把速度提起来,都是帮身体进入状态的好方法
We could we could you know, you just taking the resistance out of going fast could be a really great way of, you know, priming yourself.
不过我觉得关键在于,如果我们每天早上一醒来就动一动,会怎么样?
The I think the key here though is what if we had a little movement first thing in the morning?
比如说,我们可以给人们三个选择,让他们挑一个来做。
What if I like, we do a thing that we kinda give people three options.
我们会说,作为起点,建议你出门前做一下髋部旋转、肩部旋转,或者呼吸练习。
We're like, hey, as a place to start, I would like you to do the hip spin up, the shoulder spin up, or breath spin up before you leave the house.
因为万一一天忙起来,没时间锻炼,我们也希望提前问清楚:一个普通人的一天,身体该怎么活动?
Because if the day gets away from you and you can't train or you can't exercise, we wanna have said, well, what does a physical day look like for a person?
我们怎么才能让身体在全天都多动一点,而不是把所有运动都攒到一块儿?
How do we get more movement in throughout the rest of the day instead of just saving it up?
我特别想强调的是,你是个忙碌的上班族,如果早上能花一点时间做点髋部热身,工作时又能自由选择活动方式,那会很好。
Because what I really like to do is recognize that you're a busy working human, and then if we had a little bit of hip prep in the morning, we worked at a desk that gave us movement choice.
也许你可以坐在地上工作。
Maybe we sat on the floor.
也许你还是坐在电脑前。
Maybe we sat at the computer.
中午的时候我走动了一会儿,等真正开始锻炼时,我不是从零直接跳到六成力,而是从四成慢慢加到六成,因为身体已经提前热身了。
We walked around a little bit at lunch, then by the time I actually got to my workout, I'm not going from zero to 60, I'm going from 40 to 60 because I've prepared my body a little bit more.
也许这就是悄悄把运动融入日常的好办法。
Maybe that's a great way to sneak it in.
另外呢,既然有机会做点更好的选择,那当然好。
And the rest of the thing is, hey, when we have the opportunity to be do a better thing, fine.
有时候在机场,我会买一盒水果,比如十七块钱的一盒葡萄,再加两个不太好的鸡蛋,虽然这算不上什么健康餐,但今天先凑合了。
Sometimes I'm at the airport and I grab a fruit, you know, bucket, you know, a $17, you know, cup of grapes and two horrible eggs, but that is really not great food, but it's gonna do today.
剩下的明天再补回来。
And then we'll get the rest of it tomorrow.
不用太纠结这个。
We're not worried about it.
我特别欣赏你把这当成一种身体上的日常练习,而且,先从轻重量开始,慢慢来,多花点时间感受动作,逐步加码,这完全没问题。
The main thing is I love that you are thinking about this as a physical practice, and, hey, there's nothing wrong with taking the first five sets under the bar and taking your time and just moving slowly and adding weight.
对。
Hey.
有时候我们有时间、有余地可以活动活动、热热身,那就别错过。
You don't have sometimes when we have time and luxury to play and move and prep, let's do it.
要是没这条件,至少多上点心,认真对待一下。
If not, let's just be a little bit more conscientious about it.
太好了。
Awesome.
你提到的这个髋部,具体是指髋关节的活动度,还是髋部的热身?
What is this hip like, if you're if you're joint you're talking about this hip mobility or hip prep.
具体来说,这动作该怎么做?
Like, what what's what does that look like?
首先,我们希望找一个你真能做得出来的动作。
Well, number one, we wanted something that you could do.
再想想,那些真正深入研究过这些问题的人是怎么做的,我们向他们致敬。
Imagine, like, again, homage to our the people who've thought about critically about some of these things.
瑜伽里就有拜日式。
Yoga has sun salutation.
我觉得这真是个特别棒的练习。
And what I thought was, what a great practice.
如果每个人每天出门前都做一遍拜日式,身体各个部位都能活动到。
If everyone did sun salutation every single day before they left the house, They've touched them at ranges.
这能提醒他们的大脑。
They reminded their brain.
他们得好好呼吸。
They had to breathe.
他们得转动身体。
They had to rotate.
他们得承重。
They had to weight bear.
他们得稍微活动一下脊柱。
They had to move their spines a little bit.
对吧?
Right?
这太棒了。
That's great.
但有时候,太阳致敬式被裹挟了太多体式,太多灵性的东西。
But that sun salutation sometimes comes entrapped in a little bit of too much asana, a little much too much spirituality.
对。
Yeah.
有时候我们的运动员会说:真的吗?
And sometimes our athletes are like, really?
这感觉不够运动性。
This doesn't feel athletic enough.
所以我就在想,我们能做点什么来模拟那种感觉?
So I was like, what can we do to sort of simulate that?
于是我想出了髋部旋转这个动作,核心就是髋关节的屈曲和旋转。
And that's where I came up with the idea of the hip spin up, which was fundamental positions of flexion and rotation of the hip.
我们能激活到一些极限范围的组织。
We touch some end range tissues.
我们加入一些等长收缩动作。
We throw some isometrics in.
让脊柱和髋部协同发力,完全靠地面支撑。
We make your spine work with your hips, just ground based.
不需要任何器械。
Don't need any equipment.
这个动作可以调整强度,还能让你突然意识到一点。
It can be scaled, and it gives you a touch of, like, hey.
什么?
What is?
我今天至少有没有在这些极限范围内活动一下?
Am I at least at these full ranges of motion for a second today?
我觉得很多时候,我们生活在一个不需要动用身体全部能力的世界里。
Because I think what ends up happening oftentimes is that we can live in a world where we're not asked to actually do all the things our bodies can do.
所以我们现在得提醒自己:好吧。
And now we're having to be like, okay.
这是你的维生素。
Here's your vitamin.
这是你用来弥补身体没得到充分活动的补偿措施。
Here's your x and such to make up for the fact that we're not really doing the things we need to do with our bodies.
一个简单的髋关节活动性测试是什么样的?
What is a what is a simple hip mobility test look like to
关键问题是,髋关节到底应该能做什么?
Well, the the question here is, you know, what should the hip should what what should the hip be able to do?
对吧?
Right?
我说的髋关节,是指整个链条。
And and I say hip as in the chain.
对吧?
Right?
但这才是主要的动力来源。
But that's the big primary engine.
脊柱是第一个动力源,但真正主要的动力源其实是髋部和肩部。
Spine is the first engine, but then we have these big primary engines of the hips and shoulders.
有意思的是,如果我问那些在跑步训练或营养方面很专业的人,我会问:髋关节到底应该能做什么?
And what's interesting about that conversation is that if I ask people who are very sophisticated about their running training or their nutrition, I'm like, what should the hips be be able to do?
什么样的表现才算正常?
What's normal?
什么样的表现就明显不正常了?
What's what's far from normal?
每个医生都认同我们该能做到什么?
What does every physician agree we should be able to do?
但他们根本说不上来。
They have no idea.
正常的髋关节屈曲是什么样的?
What's what's normal hip flexion?
把膝盖拉到胸口附近。
Bring your knee to your chest.
当时我们就意识到,其中一个关键问题或机会,是把这些活动度测试融入训练中,这样锻炼的刺激同时也能当作诊断工具。
Well, this was really where we recognized that one of the problems that we had or opportunities we had is to make these range of motion tests part of the training so that I could the stimulus for adaptation exercise was also the diagnostic tool.
对吧?
Right?
这样我就能清楚地了解身体的状态。
So I can understand what's going on.
其实,所有人都应该能做深蹲,让髋褶皱低于膝盖。
So easily, we all should be able to hip squat hip crease below the knee.
对吧?
Right?
这其实是个很简单的小测试。
That's a really simple test.
如果你做起来很吃力,就说明你今天的身体状态可能不太理想。
And if you're struggling to do that, tells me a little bit about your readiness today.
当然,也可能是你身体太僵了。
And, again, you could be stiff.
也可能是旧伤导致的。
You could have old injuries.
其实都有可能,我完全不是在评判大家。
You could have you know, it doesn't there's no judgment there.
比如你单脚站立的时候,另一条腿的膝盖应该能抬到超过90度的位置,但大部分人都做不到这点。
If you stand on one leg, you should be able to pull your other knee up past 90 degrees, and most people would struggle for that.
我们在上一本书里提到过一个简单的测试,叫“坐立测试”,现在应该很多人都听说过了。
We have a simple test in the last book called the sit and rise test, which everyone has heard of now.
你直接坐到地上,盘腿坐好,全程别摔倒,然后也别用手撑地、别把膝盖挨到地面,直接站起身来。
Just lower yourself to the ground, crisscross applesauce, right, without falling, and then without putting your knee down or hand down, pop back up.
这个测试的妙处在于,它甚至都算不上是一套完整的活动度测试。
And so what's nice about that is that that's not even a full range of motion test.
它对力量的要求很低,但却能很好地提示你,可能存在髋屈能力不足的问题。
It's not even, doesn't require that much strength, but it's a good indicator that you might be missing some hip flexion.
能否顺利身体前倾、转移重心,才是限制你完成这个动作的核心原因。
Being able to fold forward to shift your weight is really the the limiter there.
所以,如果我们能先定下几个参考标准,帮大家弄清楚自己的活动范围是不是正常,就能更好地关注自己的情况。
So if we can begin to create some some fence posts, some guidelines for people to understand what's more normative or not around their own range of motion, then you can keep an eye on it.
那个坐起测试,有没有相关数据表明它和长寿有联系?
And the the sit and rise test, isn't there some data on that with associations in longevity?
简单说,这些其实都是间接指标。
Basically, imagine that all of these things are proxies.
对吧?
Right?
就像你之前说的,我其实不关心你的握力有多强。
As you've talked about, like, I don't really care what your grip strength is.
我关心的是你用这份握力去做什么。
I care what you do with that grip strength.
如果你经常用握力做各种有趣的事,你的握力自然就会好。
But you're if you're doing a lot of fun stuff with your grip strength, your grip strength is gonna be good.
所以它其实是其他很多能力的一个反映。
So it's a proxy for all these other things.
对吧?
Right?
这个测试能反映出你平时怎么活动,怎么解决动作上的问题,还有你控制平衡的能力。
And that test tells us a lot about your movement choice, your ability to solve movement problems, your ability to, you know, modulate your your balance.
但这未必就是唯一标准。
And so it may not be that that's the end all, be all.
就算用手撑一下地,你照样可能活到一百岁。
Put a hand down, you could probably still be a 100.
我们身边不就有很多年过九十的长辈吗?她们从没做过坐起测试,也没吃过生酮饮食,从来没上过高强度健身课,但她们的生活方式就是不一样。
I mean, we probably have some aunties in our lives who are over 90, who've never done the sit- rise test, never done keto, never went to a high intensity exercise class, but there there's something about their lifestyle.
我们刚从日本回来。
We just got back from Japan.
我们睡在地上。
We're sleeping on the ground.
那些在地上如厕、睡觉、吃饭的文化,老年人跌倒的风险几乎降到了零。
Cultures that toilet on the ground, sleep on the ground, eat on the ground, fall risk in the elderly drops to almost zero.
髋关节和下背部的骨关节炎发病率几乎降为零。
Osteoarthritis in the hips and low back drops almost zero.
也许我们偶尔该去接触一下这些动作姿势,这样大脑才会把它们记下来。
There's something about maybe we should touch these shapes once in a while, and then that makes it so that it's on the map of the brain.
我们在触碰并给这些组织施加负荷。
We're touching and loading those tissues.
大脑就不会觉得这些动作没用而逐渐放弃它们。
They the brain doesn't start to pare down some of that movement as as irrelevant.
所以关键问题是,我每天该做些什么?
So really, the question is, what should I do every day?
接下来我们可以进一步问:在力量和体能训练中,哪些动作是必不可少的?这其实就是在负重下进行的系统性动作练习。
And then now we can ask the next following questions, what are essential movements in strength and conditioning, which is really just a formal movement practice under load.
对。
Yes.
这正是我想问的下一个问题,因为我最近和一个身体状况不错的人一起做了坐起测试。
And that that that is my next question because I recently did this sit and rise test with someone who is in good shape.
他们经常锻炼,但我做这个坐起测试时一点困难都没有。
They work out, and I had no problem getting up and doing this sit and rise test.
因为你
Because you
没错。
That's right.
那为什么有人平时锻炼,身体却并不健康呢?
So how can someone be healthy, workout?
我的意思是,锻炼不只是跑步或力量训练,这两者都包括。
I mean, you know, when I mean workout, I I mean, like, strength and conditioning both.
对吧?
Right?
他们跑跑步,做深蹲、硬拉,可还是做不好这个坐起测试。
They're they're doing running.
他们做深蹲、硬拉,却连坐起测试都完成不了。
They're doing squats, dead lifts, and and have trouble with a sit and rise test.
这是个很好的问题。
It's a great question.
它揭示了一点,我也特别认同,就是你我都有自己偏爱的训练方式。
What it hints at and what I love is get to a place where you and I have our own ways we like to train.
对吧?
Right?
你就是有一些自己特别喜欢的动作。
You just you have things.
你啊,特别擅长抓举、硬拉和划船。
You're like, you're a big power cleaner and dead lifter and rower.
你就是喜欢做这些高强度的动作。
You're you know, do these hard things.
抓举这动作。
Power cleaning
是最难的。
is the hardest thing.
我不喜欢做,但还是得做。
I hate doing it, but I do it.
这简直像是一门奥运项目,你这辈子都会一直在练它。
It's almost like it's an Olympic sport, and you'll spend the rest of your life working at it.
对吧?
Right?
好吧。
Okay.
抛开这个不说。
That aside.
撇开这个,我们可以说,每个人都有自己偏爱的训练方式,喜欢的身体活动方式,还有玩的运动。
So that aside, what we can say is you have your way of training, way things that we loved with the way we like to move our bodies and the sports we play.
不管换成什么第三方体系,你都应该能适应得很好。
Should be able to take any third party system and thrive there.
所以你去练瑜伽,被虐得够呛——其实瑜伽也没那么夸张。
So if you go to yoga and you get your butt kicked, like, yoga is not crazy.
瑜伽本身其实是在提醒你,
Yoga is just saying, hey.
这些本来就是人类不靠额外负重就能完成的动作,但我们要维持这些等长收缩的姿势,还要一直保持顺畅呼吸。
Here's what humans should be able to do with no load, but we're gonna hold these isometrics and you have to be able to breathe for a long time.
再去上普拉提课试试,
Go to Pilates class.
如果你本身的运动底子真的很强,那你肯定能轻松搞定普拉提。
If you're really elite, you'll you'll spank Pilates.
练完之后你可能会觉得酸痛,因为那些姿势你平时很少做,都是普拉提的标准标志性动作,对吧?
You might be sore afterwards because there are some shapes you don't spend a lot of time in that are normative towards Pilates, right, that are signature Pilates.
不过理想情况下,我们应该把你目前的所有习惯都整合起来,再配合血液检查的结果来调整。
But, ideally, we should take whatever you're doing and run it through a blood panel.
你平时的饮食习惯是怎样的?
How do you like to eat?
好的。
Cool.
我相信你。
I believe you.
咱们现在来看看这边。
Let's go ahead and check over here.
这种第三方验证是个不错的测试方法。
And so that third party validation is a nice test.
我们常常把生理能力跟选择、技巧、协调性搞混了,我在这边能输出几千瓦的功率,但我的协调性其实很差。
And what we often see is we've compared, sort of the capacity of physiology, and we've confused that with choice, skill, right, coordination, but I can generate thousands of watts over here, but I'm not very coordinated.
或者因为我在这边输出了几千瓦的功率,反而影响了髋关节的旋转或伸展。
Or because I've generated thousands of watts over here, it's cost me my rotation of my hip or my hip extension.
你或许能撑一阵子,但直到你想学新技能时,才会发现这些组织因为长期超出正常活动范围而被用坏了。
And ultimately, you can do that for a while until you wanna learn a new skill, until that tissue is somehow a little bit misused because it doesn't have its normal ranges of motion.
我觉得当我们让人做些基础测试时,才能真正理解输入和输出之间的关系。
And I think when we ask people to sort of engage in some baseline testing, then we can start to understand inputs and outputs.
比如一个参加环法自行车赛的顶级车手,我们其实很少专门练髋部伸展,像弓步那样把膝盖拉到臀部后方。
And so if I have an elite cyclist, I'm working in the Tour de France, we don't really spend a ton of time in hip extension training knee behind the butt like a lunge.
我们保持这些姿势,是为了恢复力量,让髋关节正常发挥作用。
We are in those shapes to make sure that we restore power, keep the hip doing what it needs to do.
我们不需要像训练奥运短跑选手那样,高强度地练这些姿势。
We don't necessarily have to train in those shapes as heavily as we might with an Olympic sprinter.
但我们需要看看,这个人能在哪儿加入一些等长训练、活动度练习或软组织放松,来保持这个活动空间不被堵住。
So but we need to look at where is this person able to put some of these isometrics or some mobility work or some soft tissue work to keep it, you know, the sort of the window open.
因为对普通人来说,我们其实都曾经是业余运动员,目标就是尽可能维持住关节的活动范围。
Because what we're really trying to do for the typical person again, we're all basically rec athletes at some point, is we're trying to say, let's maintain as much range as we can.
对吧?
Right?
也就是说,我们该怎么保持动作的多样性,保留更多的动作选择?
Let's and by that, we'll say, how do I maintain movement choice, movement options?
怎么才能学会新的技能?
How do I pick up a new skill?
怎么让身体自由灵活,不受限制?
How do I have a body that's free and unencumbered?
我们之前聊过髋部的问题,但肩膀也是我特别关注的地方,因为我自己经常觉得那里疼。
I we covered this hip thing, but I'm the shoulders is another kind of obsession of mine because I do get I do get some pain in there.
我有几个问题想问,一个是关于如何评估肩关节的活动度。
And there's a couple of questions I wanna ask, and one has to do with the, obviously, the the ways to assess shoulder mobility.
另一个是,我平时久坐办公,这方面我也挺感兴趣的,相信很多人也一样。
But the other is, like, you know, I do work at a desk a lot, and we're gonna get into desk ergonomics people because that's also an interest of mine as well as I know other people are interested.
那对于既要久坐、又经常举铁的人,肩关节最常出现的问题是什么?
But what can someone who is desk working a lot, but also who lifts, you know, what what's, I would say, a common problem in those individuals in terms of, like, their shoulder mobility.
那在改善肩部活动度上,哪些练习的投入产出比最高?
And what would be a good, you know, ROI in terms of, like, working your shoulder to reset it.
对。
Yeah.
我们不妨把上半身和下半身分开来看,因为散步这种事很容易做到,也能帮身体放松。
Let's take a look and split the upper body from lower body because it's easy to go for a walk, and we can decongest.
对吧?
Right?
淋巴系统是嵌在我们的肌肉里的。
The lymphatics are built into our muscle system.
淋巴系统就像身体的排污系统,它完全依赖肌肉来运作。
The lymphatic system is a sewage system of the body, and they're it's bootstrapped into our muscles.
所以当我们散步时,小腿就像第二颗心脏。
And so if we go for a walk, that calf is acting like a second heart.
它在泵送。
It's pumping.
通过肌肉收缩,我们把淋巴液从腹股沟排出去,这时候说‘咱们放松一下’就很容易了。
We're dumping all those lymphatics through the groin, through that muscle contraction, and it's easy to say, hey, let's decongest.
对吧?
Right?
我刚才跑了步。
I've just I I ran.
我做了点运动,现在打算再多走走。
I did something, and now I'm just gonna walk a little bit more of the day.
这就是为什么你坐飞机时会脚踝肿胀的原因之一。
It's one of the reasons, you know, if you fly on an airplane, you get cankles.
脚踝肿胀其实是缺乏活动造成的。
It's lack of movement that's giving you those cankles.
对吧?
Right?
这是组织里积液了。
That's congestion of the tissues.
话说回来,如果我直接说,
Well, it's easy on the but if I say, hey.
你得去划船机上划一小时,你肯定得说:兄弟,别逗了,我可不干。
I'm gonna need you to get on this rower for an hour, you're gonna be like, bro, I'm not doing that.
让你去冲刺自行车上骑一小时来消肿?
Get on this assault bike for an hour and decongest.
什么?
What?
这根本不可能。
This it's impossible.
所以有时候,很难让上半身做出足够夸张的交叉模式动作来达到我们想要的消肿效果。
And so sometimes, it's hard to get enough exaggerated cross pattern motion and movement of the upper body to decongest it the way we're working.
那我们不妨想想,手头有哪些工具可以用呢?
So what we can say then suddenly is, well, what tools do have available to me?
首先,也许可以稍微活动一下肩膀,在日常生活中做一些基础的姿势。
Well, number one, maybe a little bit of shoulder motion where I'm touching some fundamental shapes during the day.
这样很简单。
That'd be easy.
而且这是个不错的起点,比如,你完全可以不用扣后背的胸罩扣子。
And that's an easy place to start because it's you know, for example, it's easy never to have to put your bra on on the back.
对吧?
Right?
这其实是在测试肩关节的内旋和伸展能力。
That would be a test of internal rotation and some extension.
刚才说的那个背手够后背的测试,哎呀,就是那样
That aptly scratch test, all the the, you know, hey.
咱们来聊聊,如果做FMS测试的话,你能把手背到身后去吗?
Let's look at the if you do the FMS test, can you get your hand behind your back?
可要是你平时根本不做这类动作、不把身体摆到这些姿态里,那肯定很难做到
But if you're not practicing and in those shapes ever, it's gonna be tricky.
另外,如果现在你还像现代健身理念影响下的训练方式那样,给上半身加很大的负荷,你要记住,身体在承受训练刺激后,第一件事就是分泌更多胶原蛋白
And if you start loading the upper body significantly the way you are, the way the way we're kinda modern training is has sort of influenced us, remember that the first thing the body does after training stimulus is it lays down more collagen.
这样能让这个身体结构更强韧,能承受住肌肉的发力。毕竟筋膜结缔组织这些支撑结构是先长好的。
It makes the container stronger to withstand now when it starts to put the muscle down inside that, the the fascial connective tissue containers are set up first.
如果身体的支撑框架更强健,那肌肉就能练得更发达。
The we have a bigger engine frame, then we can make a bigger engine.
所以要是一直不动的话,身体就会变得僵硬,组织也会纤维化。
So if you don't do anything, you're gonna become stiff and fibrotic.
到那时候就真的只能……只能蹲都蹲不利索了。
Like, welcome to being, you know, big squats.
如果你不注意的话,大腿前侧很容易变得僵硬。
I mean, they're gonna make your quads stiff if you don't if you don't keep your eye on it.
跑步多了,大腿前侧也会特别紧。
All that running makes your can make your quads very stiff.
对吧?
Right?
所以,我们得关注一下肩膀的活动范围,别让它受限了。
So suddenly, we can ask around the shoulder, well, let's make sure that we're doing something to keep an eye on this range of motion.
比如早上可以做点肩部旋转动作,就是配合手臂摆动,简单地活动几个基础姿势。
And, I could hint at you could do something like the shoulder spin up in the morning, which is just touching some fundamental shapes with some arm swings.
特别简单。
It's very simple.
也可以试试大卫·韦克斯的绳子流动训练,好玩又轻松,能很好地活动全身多个关节。
You could do something like David Wex rope flow, which is super fun and very easy to touch a bunch of shapes.
其实就是类似PNF的模式,那种康复训练里常用来激活肩部的对角线和旋转动作。
It's basically imagine, like, PNF patterns, which were this kind of model of looking at how we load the shoulder in this rehab that came out these diagonals and rotation.
如果你不停地甩绳子,身体会自然地接触到各种旋转动作。
And if you just spin a rope a whole bunch, you're gonna touch a ton of rotation.
你会接触到很多基础的动作形态。
You're gonna be in some of fundamental shapes.
整个过程特别快。
It's really fast.
操作起来很简单。
It's easy.
特别适合作为热身。
It's great prep.
或者我们可以更进一步,比如说——
Or we could go, know, a step further and say, okay.
我们一整天都在训练了。
We we've trained all day long.
现在我们可以让你连接到一个高度精密的神经肌肉设备,帮助缓解组织紧张。
Now we're gonna hook you up to this very sophisticated neuromuscular device that's gonna decongest the tissues.
但说到底,我们要让大家记住,身体一点都不脆弱。
But ultimately, we wanna remind you that the body is not fragile.
它天生就可以承受压力,并且一直不断适应变化。
It's designed to be loaded and adapt forever.
所以我们至少得先留意自己的活动幅度。
So let's just, at the very least, keep an eye on our range of motion.
我刚从机场过来,刚好在安检扫描仪那里看到大家抬胳膊过安检,那情况真的不太乐观。
And I just came from the airport where I just got to see people put their arms over their head in the scanner, and it's sort of a disaster.
是吧?
Right?
我的意思是,这些动作本质上就是后弯、向内旋转,都很基础。
I mean, they're just banana back, internally rotate.
现在很多人都不敢把胳膊举过头顶,其实根本不是做不到,只是日常生活里根本不需要他们做这个动作而已。
Like, people just don't aren't very confident in putting their arms over their head anymore, but it's because their life doesn't ask them to do that.
那像我这种每天大部分时间都坐在办公桌前的人,你觉得应该花多长时间练这些?很多人都是这种情况。
And how often are like like, what how much time do you think someone should spend like myself who is desk sitting a lot and many of us are?
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