埋葬在悲痛中| 女孩们读圣经

我觉得我要染深一点。

I think I'm going to go darker.

嗯，我喜欢你深色的样子。

Well, I like you darker.

我也喜欢自己深色的样子。

I like me darker too.

只是我头上有些发片特别特别浅。

It's just I have some extensions in that are super, super light.

所以我得让剩下的头发和它们匹配。

And so I have to, like, the rest of my hair match it.

但我现在真希望拥有你那样的发色。

But I wish I had your exact color right now.

姐妹们，我说得对吧？

Girls, am I right?

我们之前哭过好几次。

We went through a couple of crying.

这就是

This is

我们做的。

what we do.

这真的是你们完全想不到的。

This is literally you guys have no idea.

这就是我们做的。

This is what we do.

真有趣。

It's funny.

我一路上一直听到有人说累。

I kept hearing tired on the way here.

我只是觉得我们中有太多人感到疲惫了。

I just feel like so many of us are tired.

我保证，这是给我的。

I promise That's for me.

那一切都会过去的。

That's that it's gonna pass.

谢谢你。

Thank you.

那个阶段也会过去的。

That season's gonna pass.

你会醒来的。

You're gonna wake up.

事情会改变的。

Things are gonna shift.

然后有时候悲伤会再次袭来。

And then sometimes griefs will hit you again.

假期在家时，我又一次感受到了。

It hit me at home again over the holidays.

是的。

Yeah.

哦，是的，那是什么感觉？

Oh yeah, what did that feel like?

我想我有时候会宣扬，上帝的道路远比我们的道路更好。

I think that I, sometimes I preach like God's ways are so much better than our ways.

愿你的旨意成就。

Thy will be done.

愿他的旨意成就。

His will be done.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

就像，祂为你预备了美好的计划，但这些计划在哪里呢？

Like, He has good, good plans for you to like, where are they?

你知道，我真的在传讲这个信息，而且因为我所经历的一切，这个信息已经深入我的骨髓。

You know, I really, I preach that message and I know that message in my bones because of what I've lived through.

但这并不能改变我有时会有这些渴望的事实，也不能改变我已过三十岁、常常感到害怕的事实。

But that doesn't change the fact that sometimes I have these desires and it doesn't change the fact that I'm in my thirties and I get scared.

这并不能改变我真的很想当妈妈的事实。

It doesn't change the fact that I really want to be a mom.

我环顾四周，我的朋友们都有孩子，而我没有。

And I look around and all my friends have kids and I don't.

所以有时候恐慌会袭来。

And so sometimes panic hits me.

有时候悲伤会涌上心头，我能问一下吗

Sometimes grief hits my heart and Can I ask

那感觉是怎样的？

what it felt like?

当悲伤涌上心头时，那是什么感觉？

Like, what is it like when the grief comes over you?

因为悲伤是一种非常有趣的情感。

Because grief is such an interesting thing.

这很奇怪。

It's weird.

悲伤有各种不同的类型。

There's different kinds of grief.

我觉得分手的悲伤有时甚至更难熬，因为那个人还活着。

I feel like breakup grief is almost sometimes harder because the person is still alive.

比有人去世还要难。

Than if somebody dies.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Right.

我觉得我最初的悲伤和现在看起来很不一样。

I think grief for me at first looked different from what it is now.

有时候我连续几天都根本无法起床。

Sometimes I couldn't even like get out of bed for days.

我的眼神看起来死气沉沉。

I looked dead in my eyes.

有时这种感觉来得如此强烈，就像我曾在我们的灵修书中写过的一样，你简直觉得无法喘过气来。

Sometimes it hits it's like I wrote this in in our devotional, but sometimes it hits you so hard that you feel like you can't come up from it.

简直喘不过气。

Like you can barely breathe.

然后它就像一波浪潮，像海啸一样席卷而来。

And then it's like a wave, like it's like a tidal wave that comes over you.

是的，真的就是这样。

Yeah, literally.

然后浪潮退去，你又能轻松呼吸了。

And then the current goes away and you can breathe easy again.

所以，悲伤就是这样，它来来去去，有时你连床都起不来，有时又感觉特别好，但你可能在等红灯时看到某样东西，或者某首歌突然响起。

And like, so that's what grief is, it comes and it goes, sometimes you can't get out of bed and sometimes you feel so good and then you'll be at a red light and you'll see something or a song will come on.

我想我在上一期节目中提到过，它突然袭来，有时会毁掉你一整天的心情。

I think I talked about this in the last episode and like it hits you and it can ruin your day sometimes.

而且

And

悲伤，当你失去某人时，它可能是终身的，你需要学会与之共处。

grief, when you lose someone, it can be lifelong and it's something you learn to live with.

但悲伤中也有如此多的美，因为我

But there's such beauty in grief because I'm

能够

able

以不同的方式与人连接，能够更爱他人。

to connect and see people in a different way I'm than able to love more.

我能够对他人更有同情心。

I'm able to have more compassion for people.

悲伤就是无处安放的爱。

Grief is love with nowhere to go.

如果你仔细想想，它真的很美。

So it is really beautiful if you think about it.

是的，我写在了灵修笔记里。

It is, I wrote that in the devotional.

真的吗？

Really?

爱无处安放。

It's love with nowhere to go.

但确实，它是在假期期间出现的。

But yeah, so yeah, it comes, it came during the holidays.

我觉得假期会引发很多情感。

I think the holidays bring up so much.

是的。

Oh, yeah.

当然。

For sure.

它们会引发很多情感。

They bring up so much.

所以我经常会听到一些声音。

And so I would hear something.

就是，你知道的，当有人说了什么，突然就触动了你一下。

It's like, you know, when something says someone says something and it just like triggers you a little bit.

是的。

Yeah.

那种恐慌感突然就冒出来了，天哪。

And that panic just came on a little bit of like, oh my gosh.

好吧。

Okay.

2026年。

2026.

好吧，又一年，我的生日刚过。

Okay, another year, my birthday just came.

当我把所有线索串起来时，我才意识到过去两年我必须疗愈自己。

And then when I put the pieces together, I had to heal this past two years.

如果上帝没有让我留在这个地方，我不会成长得这么多。

If God didn't keep me in this place, I wouldn't have grown as much as I did.

我能理解，这一切都说得通，但这仍然是悲伤。

I could, you know, so it all makes sense, but it's still grief.

当我想起，天哪，我只是，不，我经历过很多这样的时刻，那种恐慌，现在对我来说，悲伤感觉像孤独和一点点恐慌。

And when do Oh no, so I was just, no, so I would, I had so many moments of that like panic, like right now for me, grief feels like loneliness and a little bit of panic.

是的。

Yeah.

但在这个人生阶段，我充满了喜悦。

But I'm so full of joy in this season of my life.

我真的有，我可以这么说。

Truly I am, like I can say that.

你确实如此。

You really are.

我也是。

Me too.

我只是，

I just,

对我来说，有一件事我从未想过自己能做到，我从未想过能到达这样一个境界：能够真正醒来，感受到如此充实，而不需要依赖另一个人。

I think for me, the one thing I never thought I'd be able to get, I never thought I would be able to get to a place where I can truly wake up and feel so fulfilled without needing another person.

是的。

Yeah.

我经常谈到这一点，但我觉得没有什么比这更令人满足的了。

And I talk about that a lot, but it, I don't think there's anything more satisfying than that.

我感觉自己内心充满了。

Like I feel filled.

是的。

Yeah.

我从未想过自己能到达一个不再需要别人的地步。

I never thought I could get to a place where I wouldn't need someone.

我认为，当你真正到达那个境界时，那是一种无法逆转的疗愈。

And I think when you get to that place, you're, it's a healing that you can't break after that.

当你能真正醒来，感受到自由，并与主安然相处时，那就是真正的自由。

Like when you can truly wake up and feel free and just be okay with the Lord, it's like, it's real freedom.

真是

Such a

一份礼物。

gift.

这是一份礼物。

It's a gift.

这就是为什么人们说独身是一种恩赐。

The That's why they say singleness is a gift.

这就是为什么独身是一种恩赐。

That's why singleness is a gift.

所以我真的不得不经历这个过程。

So I've really had to go through that process.

这花了好几年，很多年。

And that's taken years, many years.

有些人可能会想，你们中的一些人现在听着，可能觉得已经够久了，该放弃了，但我如果当初急于完成这个疗愈过程，就不会成为今天的我。

And some people may like, some of you guys talking I mean, talking some of you guys listening right now, you throw in the towel because like, you're all right, it's been enough time, but I, I, if I would have like rushed this healing process, I would not be this woman I am.

是的。

Yeah.

我真的很为自己感到骄傲。

And I'm really proud of myself.

真的非常骄傲。

Like, really am.

我从未感到过好或自豪。

Never been, I've never felt good or proud.

我从未感到过，从来没有。

I've never felt No, never.

我觉得自己终于成为了上帝呼召我成为的那样的女人。

I feel like I'm finally stepped into the woman that God has called me to be.

这需要极大的耐心，经历很多悲伤的疗愈，许多清晨我独自趴在客厅地板上痛哭。

And that took a lot of patience and a lot of working through grief, a lot of mornings on my face by myself, my living room floor, crying out.

我向朋友们倾诉了很多次，他们一直陪伴着我，给了我极大的支持和空间。

A lot of crying to my friends, you know, of just being held and my friends just holding so much space for me.

你是我生命中的光。

You were the light in my life.

就像你知道的，你是那盐和光。

Like, you know, the salt and light like you were that.

所以当你这么说，我感到特别不可思议，因为你根本不知道你在我生命中带来的影响，你承载了我的悲伤。

And that's why it's so, it's just, it's crazy to hear you say this because you have no idea the impact that you've carried in my life of, you've held my grief.

我非常爱你。

I love you so much.

这么多年来，你一直爱着我，这就是悲伤的样子。

All this time and you loved me and that's what grief looks like.

你只需要一些好的朋友，在你所在的地方陪伴你、理解你。

You just need some good friends to hold you and meet you where you're at.

你从不催促我，也不会告诉我只要信靠耶稣就行了。

You never like rushed me or, you know, told me to just trust Jesus.

我我

I I

做对了吗？

did it right?

从来没有。

Never.

这就是为什么你这么快就成为了我最好的朋友。

That's why you became my best friend so fast.

你总是会给我一些建议，告诉我该怎么做，就像安吉拉那样面对悲伤。

You would always I'll give you some advice on what to do to whole grief that Angela did.

上帝已经大大医治了我，从

God has healed me so much from a

我们在这里经常谈论有意识地生活、保持忠心以及日常的小选择。

Okay, we talk a lot on here about living with intention and being faithful and the small everyday choices.

圣经提醒我们，我们的身体是圣殿，照顾身体是我们管家职分的一部分。

Scripture reminds us that our bodies are temples and caring for them as part of our stewardship.

现代生活让这一点变得困难。

Modern life makes that hard.

压力、糖分、加工食品，这些都在不断累积。

Stress, sugar, processed foods, it all adds up.

而这正是

And that's

我们开始使用Dose的原因。

why we've started using Dose.

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它是一种液体。

It's a liquid.

就是两盎司的小杯装，说实话尝起来像鲜榨橙汁。

It's just a two ounce shot and it honestly tastes like fresh squeezed orange juice.

没有胶囊，没有粉末，没有任何复杂或难吃的东西。

No capsules, no powders, nothing complicated or yucky.

真正让我印象深刻的是肝脏对我们整体健康的核心作用。

And what really stood out to me is how central the liver is to our overall health.

它每天执行超过500种功能，支持消化、能量和新陈代谢等过程。

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And when it's overworked, you can feel it.

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And for us taking dose has become one of those small intentional practices, an easy way to care for our body so we can show up with more clarity and presence for the people in our lives.

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And it's something that we trust.

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强迫性思维。

Obsessive compulsive thinking.

会不断追问，我想当我们经历心碎时，很多人都会这样：双手紧握，痛苦不堪，你的神经系统处于极度震惊状态，大脑进入生存模式。

Would ask, and I think a lot of us do that when we're going through heartache, you like wring your hands out in anguish and you just like, it's like the, your nervous system is in such a state of shock and your brain goes into survival mode.

于是你会陷入自责，反复问同一个问题。

So you like, see self blame and you ask the same question.

我整整几年都经历过这种状态。

I went through that for for years.

所以我看着安吉拉，会一遍又一遍地问她同样的问题。

And so I would look at Angela and I would be like, but but to and I would ask him this her the same question.

她之所以这么快成为我最好的朋友，说实话，是因为她每次都像第一次听到我问这个问题一样，耐心地回应。

And she was so the reason why she became my best friend so quickly honestly is because she literally would sit there and act like it was the first time I would ask that question.

她只是看着我，眼中毫无评判。

And she just looked at me like she there was no judgment with you.

你真的一直陪伴我度过那段悲痛。

Like you truly just loved me through that grief.

这就是为什么我永远不会忘记。

That's why like, I'll never forget it.

这就是为什么我会在每一集、每个舞台上都谈起这件事，因为你就是那道光，你在我最脆弱的时候遇见我，引领我走向耶稣。

That's why I like, I'll talk about it every episode on stages because you were that light and you led me to Jesus by meeting me where I was.

就像耶稣那样，耶稣并没有催促我从悲痛中走出来。

Like Jesus did, Jesus didn't rush me in my grief.

他没有告诉我快点痊愈，只要相信他就行。

He didn't like tell me to heal and just trust him.

他与我一同走过那段路。

He walked through it.

因此，作为光明之人，我们也需要这样做。

And that's why as people of light, we need to do that too.

我们需要在人们所在的地方与他们相遇。

We need to meet people where they're at.

我们需要陪在他们身边。

We need to sit with them.

我们不必催促他们，要倾听他们。

We don't need to rush them, listen to them.

我认为很多人对正在经历悲伤的人会变得非常不耐烦。

I think a lot of people get really impatient with, people that are going through grief.

在我的悲伤旅程中，我失去了几位朋友，因为他们变得非常不耐烦。

I lost a couple of friends through my grief journey because they got really impatient.

当一个人正在经历悲伤时，要应对他们并不容易。

It's not easy to deal with someone when they're going through grief.

确实如此。

It's so true.

这并不

It's not

是。

true.

所以有时候人们会说，我实在受不了了。

And so sometimes people are like, I can't deal with this.

他们该放下了。

They need to move on.

他们该继续前进了。

They need to go on.

但除非你亲身经历那种深切的悲痛，否则你无法真正理解，这正是它如此珍贵的原因。

But until you go through that deep grief, that's why it's so beautiful.

我不确定你是否失去过什么人，但当你经历过时，你就明白了。

Like, I don't know if you ever lost someone, but it was like, you understood.

是的。

Yeah.

所以你需要对别人保持耐心。

And so you just need to be patient with people.

失恋的悲痛也同样普遍。

Breakup grief is also so universal to that.

这就像是你必须和人一起走过那段旅程。

It's like the one thing you got to walk the, you know, you got to walk the journey with people.

我只是觉得，没有什么比在别人经历分手时陪伴在他们身边更好的了。

And I just feel like, I don't know, there's like nothing better than being there for someone through a breakup.

我觉得这是因为这是一种普遍的经历，每个人都知道那是什么感觉，都知道那就是真的。

I feel like it's just because it's such a universal thing where everybody knows what it's like and everybody knows like it's just yeah.

你知道吗，关于悲伤和经历分手，最酷的一点是什么？

You know, what's so cool too about grief and like going through breakups?

你会培养出一种脆弱感，因为你不再有自我ego了。

There's this like vulnerability that you cultivate because you don't have any ego.

你变得很低落。

You're so low.

你拥有一种深深的谦卑。

You have such this like humility.

你变得像孩子一样。

You become like a child.

是的

Right.

我变得像个小女孩，只想要爱，想要倾诉。

I became like a little girl where I just needed love and I needed to talk.

于是，我敞开心扉，去培养这些友谊。

And so it opened myself up to be able to cultivate these friendships.

太对了。

That's so true.

这就是我们变得如此亲密的原因。

That's why we became so close.

没有什么比悲痛更能将人联结在一起了。

It's just like nothing bonds you more than grief.

不是那种不健康的创伤性依恋。

Like, it's just not like trauma bonding in an unhealthy way.

但当你能够陪伴某人时，我觉得这正是我在这个阶段正在学习的——我很难开口寻求帮助。

But like, there's just when when you get to be there for some, I think that's also what I'm learning in this season, too, is like, I struggle so much with asking for help.

我很难开口寻求支持，因为我根本不希望觉得自己是个负担。

I struggle so much with asking for support because I just don't want to feel like a burden ever.

我渐渐意识到，我想要如何陪伴他人，别人也一样希望陪伴我。

And I've just like realized so much that the way that I want to be there for other people, people want to be there for me too.

人们很乐意出现，能陪伴他人对他们来说是一种荣幸。

People want to show up like it's an honor for people to be there.

能陪伴你走过我们友谊的开端，对我来说也是一种荣幸。

Like, it was an honor for me to be there for you through the beginning of us being friends.

那真是我最珍视的时刻。

Like, that was my favorite.

我也知道自己有救世主情结。

Like, I love I also have a savior complex.

这不太好。

That's not good.

但你知道吗，没有什么比陪伴他人更让我感到快乐了。

But, you know, like, there's nothing better than I love being there for people.

所以我就假设其他人也愿意在我身边。

So I'm just going to assume that other people want to be there for me, too.

你知道的

You know

我的意思你懂吗？

what I mean?

我总是对她道歉。

I would say sorry to I say sorry to her all the time.

我只是想说，我真的很抱歉，那次我那么糟糕。

Like, I just want to say, like, how sorry I am for that time where I was such a mess.

而且她会看着我，然后说，我真的很开心。

Like and she will look at me and she'll be like, I'm like, I have so much fun.

我不确定自己是不是有记忆问题，但我记得我们友谊刚开始的时候，那是我人生中最开心的时光。

I don't don't know if I have memory loss, but you I remember the beginning of our friendship being the like I had the time of my life.

和你在一起的那段时光，是我最美好的回忆。

Like, had this best time with you.

这太疯狂了。

That's crazy.

所以我根本记不得你经历过什么。

So I don't even remember you going through anything.

这奇怪吗？

Is that weird?

我不记得了。

I don't remember.

就像你，即使在你悲痛的时候，我也得说，即便在你自己的悲痛中，你依然是最快乐、最搞笑、最爱玩的人。

Like you, even through your grief, I will say, though, even through your your grief, you were just like the most joyful, insanely funny person down for a good time.

阿里悲痛得深陷其中时，我还带她去跟我一起做普拉提。

Ari would be so deep in grief and I would take her to Pilates with me.

是的。

Yeah.

因为有个女孩出现，把我接走了。

Because I had this girl come and swoop me up.

我那时非常孤独。

I was so lonely.

然后，上帝把她送到了我身边，她真的懂我。

Then I and then God sends me her and she's like she, like, got me.

无论她做什么，我都会说，好啊。

I I was like, anything you did, I'd be like, okay.

走吧。

Let's go.

我的意思是

Well, I mean

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For me, I've been learning to let go of the pressure that I have to have everything figured out all the time.

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我都不知道在你最深的悲痛中，你怎么还能跟我一起去上健身课，你知道的，

I I don't even know how in your deepest grief you were able to go to, like, workout classes with me, you know,

因为我只是很高兴能当个半吊子朋友。

because I was just so happy to be half a friend.

就是，照顾好你自己。

Like, you know, take care you.

所以我们第一次见面时，你们都知道，但当我和阿里第一次见面时，我正处于饮食失调最严重的时期。

And so when we first met, you guys know this, but when Ari and I first met, I was in the height of like my honestly, like disordered eating.

就像我当时那样。

Like I was.

我完全不知道。

I had no idea.

我当时正在

I was on the

生酮饮食。

carnivore carnivore diet.

我经历过一段时期，强迫症很严重。

I was like, I went through this period like the OCD was bad.

对食物的极端专注也很严重。

The hyper fixations on food was bad.

我现在自由多了。

I have a lot more freedom now.

你们知道的，但当阿里和我刚成为朋友时，我经历过那段时期。

You guys know this, but I went through this period when Ari and I first became friends.

首先，我吃生酮饮食。

First, I was carnivore diet.

就是牛肉，大量的牛肉，整天吃牛肉，还给她做牛肉。

So beef, lots of beef, eating beef all day and make her beef.

而且我

And I

我不知道她原来是这样。

didn't know that she was this way.

所以她以为我只是特别喜欢牛肉。

So she thought I just really liked beef.

她不明白我为什么会给牛肉配菲达奶酪，还说，嗯，不错。

Like, she didn't know why I would make her beef with feta cheese and she's like, like, good.

我知道。

I did.

给她做

Made her

鸡蛋配菲达奶酪。

eggs with feta cheese.

你会想，然后就把它们留在盘子里，我会想，她不饿。

You would be like, and then like, leave them on the plate and I'd like, She's not hungry.

然后我开始痴迷于从农贸市场或肉铺购买家禽。

And then I then had a hyper fixation on getting poultry from the farmers market from the butcher.

我每天都会去接她。

I would pick her up every day.

同一时间。

Same time.

我不知道这个孩子只是想要一个朋友。

I didn't know that this kid just wanted a friend.

我以为她也对我感兴趣的东西感兴趣。

I thought she was also interested in what I was interested in.

不，她只是想搭个顺风车。

No, she just wanted to come along for the ride.

我去接她。

I pick her up.

我们会去L地的果园。

We'd go to the grove in L.

A。

A.

我们会去农贸市场。

We'd go to the farmer's market.

我们会买，我会说：真的，你们不明白。

We'd get I would be like, truly, you guys don't understand.

我特别兴奋地去肉铺，而她可能心里想：这个女孩怎么了？

I'd be so excited to go to the butcher and she probably you probably were like, What is wrong with this chick?

她真奇怪。

Like, she's so weird.

我特别喜欢这样。

I loved it.

我真的很热爱这鸡肉。

I I was so passionate about this this chicken.

所以我们每天都会买生鸡肉。

So we'd get raw chicken every single day.

我们会去阿里家，然后我为咱们做菜。

We'd go to Ari's house and then I'd make it for us.

我就觉得，这太酷了。

And and I was just like, this is so cool.

就像，我们有这么多共同兴趣，其实她只是想要个朋友。

Like, we have all the same interests when really she just wanted a friend.

那真的是最美好的时光。

And it was so that was truly the best time.

我还逼她吃鸡肉。

And I made her eat chicken.

然后我记得你会说，安吉，你觉得我们今天能吃牛排吗？

And then I remember you'd be like, Angie, do you think we could like have a steak today?

我就说，不，不，不。

And I'd like, No, no, no.

我觉得最好我们去肉铺。

I think it's best we go to the butcher.

我当时想，好吧，又是鸡肉。

I was like, Okay, chicken again.

所以你得说，我现在已经深深投入进去了。

So you have to say, I'm so involved from that now.

那是谁啊？

Like, who was that?

我当时想，

I was like,

说实话，就这样吧。

I honestly, so type.

说实话，我们 probably 应该重新回到鸡肉和胡萝卜的饮食安排上。

Honestly, we should probably get back on that chicken and carrot schedule

因为那就是，是的，鸡肉和胡萝卜。

because that was Yeah, chicken and carrots is what it was.

鸡肉和胡萝卜。

Chicken and carrots.

我享受了每一刻。

I enjoyed every second.

我现在穿着普拉提袜子。

I'm wearing Pilates socks right now.

我穿上了我的芭蕾

Got my ballet

穿着同样的衣服。

wearing the same outfit.

芭蕾舞鞋。

Ballet flaps.

鲍比双胞胎。

The Bobsy twins.

我们能回到那个话题吗？

Can we get back to that?

是的。

Yeah.

我们能做

Can we make

这个周末做鸡肉和胡萝卜吗？

chicken and carrots this weekend?

是的，我觉得我们应该做。

Yes, I think we should.

我们、她、我和安吉一起度过了一个小小的周末，我一直在看着她，因为感觉我们其实并没有真正好好相处过，自从托尔的事情之后就一直特别忙，然后我们都精疲力尽了。

We, her, me and Ange had a little weekend together and I just kept looking at her thinking because it's like we haven't really it's been so crazy with Tor and then we're exhausted.

然后我们

And then we're

我现在住得稍微远一点了。

And I like live a little bit further now.

我住在别的地方。

I live somewhere else.

所以这个周末她和我之间真的建立了深厚的联系，感觉特别温馨。

So it's like Her and I like really bonded this weekend and it was so sweet.

就好像回到了从前。

Just it felt like old times.

因为在我们友谊的头两年里，我们每天晚上都一起过夜。

Well, because for the first two years of our friendship, we had sleepovers every single day of our lives.

非常健康。

Super healthy.

真的很美好。

Was really nice.

我们一起坐在海滩上。

We sat on the beach together.

你们也应该这么做。

You guys should do that.

那真的很有疗愈作用。

That was really healing.

是的，坐在海滩上，读着圣经

Yeah, being on the beach, reading the word on

我们逼着自己走出了家门。

the We like pushed ourselves out of the house.

我们坐在海滩上。

We sat on the beach.

我们带了圣经。

We brought our Bibles.

对。

Yes.

我们一起祷告。

We prayed together.

我们只是一起向神说话，为彼此祷告

We just talked to God together, prayed for each

其他的，

other,

读了一些诗篇。

read some Psalms.

这里一点以赛亚，那里一点以赛亚。

Little Isaiah here, little Isaiah there.

小小的以赛亚书43章、46章。

Little Isaiah 43, 46.

听我说，你是不是总觉得哭过一场之后，心情会好很多？

Listen, don't you always feel so good after a little cry?

听我说，我直接告诉你吧，你问过悲伤是什么感觉吗？

Listen, I'm just gonna tell you, you asked what does grief feel like?

在我刚经历悲伤的时候，我想让你们知道，你们并不孤单。

There were when I first went through my grief, I just want you guys to know you're not alone.

我当时真的觉得自己快要死了。

I actually felt like I was going to die.

这不仅仅是关于我，我确实经历了一次又一次的失去。

It wasn't just about the I mean, I was I literally experienced loss after loss after loss.

你把上一次没处理好的损失叠加在一起了。

You compounded losses that you hadn't dealt with in the last one.

所以当到达崩溃点时，这远不止是一场分手那么简单。

And so when there's a breaking point, it's so much more than just a breakup.

死亡、失业、经济压力，所有这些失去，就像把你的一切都剥夺殆尽。

Deaths, loss of job, financial burden, like all of that loss and just like getting it all stripped from you.

我的意思是，我真的撑不下去了。

I mean, I was so done.

我知道有很多人也在经历这种挣扎，他们觉得再也活不下去了。

And I know so many people that battle that where they're like, I can't live anymore.

我觉得自己已经完了。

Like I feel done.

我想让你知道，你并不孤单。

And I wanna let you know that you're you're like, you are not alone.

有时候你会觉得，我该怎么熬过这一天？

There are moments where you feel like, how am I gonna make it through the day?

我真的再也撑不下去了。

Like, I can't do this anymore.

这场斗争太沉重了，我扛不住了。

Like, the fight is it's too it's too much.

你会累到极致，甚至好几天都瘫在床上动弹不得。

You're gonna feel so tired to the point where like you're just rotting in bed for days.

我只是想让你知道，一切都会好起来的。

And I just wanna let you know that it is going to get better.

是的。

Yeah.

一切都会好起来的。

It is going to get better.

加拉太书6:9，不要灰心，因为只要你不放弃，另一边必有收获。

Galatians six:nine, Do not grow weary because there is a harvest on the other side when you don't give up.

而且，不放弃并不意味着要爬起来，变得开心，做所有这些事情。

And like not giving up doesn't mean like get up and be happy and all these things.

有时候，不放弃只是每天迈出小小的一步。

Sometimes not giving up just looks like baby steps every single day.

但我很喜欢今天我们谈到要信靠耶稣，因为很多人觉得我只是……

But I love that we talked today about just trust Jesus because so many people feel like I just

你不能用灵性来逃避痛苦。

You just can't spiritually bypass pain.

你不能只是简单地用一句灵性的‘好了，各位’来打发过去。

Like, you can't just put a spiritual Alright, guys.

假期总是会激发我的完美主义倾向，想要找到完美的礼物、举办完美的聚会，把每件事都做到恰到好处。

The holidays always bring out my perfectionist side, trying to find the perfect gift, host the perfect gathering, do everything just right.

每年我都会提醒自己，完美其实根本不可能，甚至说根本没必要。

And every year I am reminded that perfect isn't actually possible or honestly necessary.

而这正是我们喜爱仪式感的原因之一。

And that's one of the reasons why we love ritual.

这完全减轻了压力。

It fully takes the pressure off.

女性18岁以上的复合维生素旨在通过关键营养素支持基础健康。

Ritual is essential for women 18 plus multivitamin is designed to support foundational health with key nutrients

这些营养素常常被忽略，尤其是在像假期这样忙碌的季节。

that are commonly missed, especially during the busy seasons like the holidays.

我们重视的是成分质量高、关键成分可追溯，并且你的身体能够真正吸收利用。

What matters to us is the ingredients are high quality, so crucial, traceable, and informs your body can actually use.

我们每天都将Ritual作为日常的一部分。

We take Ritual every day as part of our routine.

它很简单。

It's simple.

它不会让人觉得是负担，而且我们很欣赏它对胃部温和的设计。

It doesn't feel like a chore, and we appreciate that it's designed to be gentle on your stomach.

我们也很喜欢瓶子里的薄荷香气。

We also love the minty essence in the bottle.

这虽然是个小细节，却让坚持这个习惯变得容易多了。

It's such a small thing, but it makes the habit so much easier to stick to.

Ritual Essential for Women's 18 含有九种关键营养素，每天只需两粒缓释胶囊。

Rituals Essential for Women's 18 contains nine key nutrients and just two delayed release capsules a day.

而且它是纯素、非转基因，并经过第三方检测，确保无重金属和常见过敏原。

And it's vegan, non GMO, and third party tested for heavy metals and common allergies.

所以我们对自己摄入的东西感到非常安心。

So we feel so good about what we're putting in our body.

我体内绝对不想要任何重金属。

I want no heavy metals in my body.

不要。

No.

不要。

No.

他们甚至开展了一项由大学主导的临床研究，针对 Essential for Women 18，结果显示仅在十二周内，维生素D和Omega-3 DHA水平就得到了提升。

They even conducted a university led clinical study on essential for women 18, which showed increases in vitamin D and omega three DHA levels in just twelve weeks.

与其追求完美的健康，不如致力于支持基础健康。

And instead of striving for perfect health, aim for supporting foundational health.

因为限时优惠，你可以在 ritual.com/ggb 首月享受四折优惠。

Because for a limited time, you can save 40% off your first month at ritual.com/ggb.

前往 ritual.com/ggb，首月立减四成。

That's ritual.com/ggb for 40% off your first month.

就像在深重苦难之上盖上一层遮蔽。

Like, banner over some over deep suffering.

而且，提醒人们信任耶稣是好事。

And, you know, and it's good to remind people to trust Jesus.

我总是问别人：提醒我耶稣是谁。

I keep asking people like, remind me who Jesus is.

跟我聊聊他。

Talk to me about him.

就只是提醒我他究竟是谁。

Like, just remind me who he is.

我需要被提醒，因为现在我的脑子里有点混乱、难以理清。

I need to be reminded because it's a little convoluted, confusing right now in my head.

所以，当然，听到关于上帝真相的信息很好，但你也不必非得去感受什么。

And so it's good to hear the truth about who God is, of course, but also you just don't need to feel.

我认为我们说‘信靠耶稣’的重点是，当你处于生存模式、深度悲伤、倦怠或重大悲剧中时，不必因为‘信靠耶稣’似乎不起作用而感到内疚。

I think our point in saying the trust Jesus thing is you don't need to feel bad when you are in survival mode, deep grief, burnout or like deep tragedy that like trust Jesus isn't working.

如果这时候它不起作用，这其实是正常的，也没关系。

That's actually normal if it's not working and that's okay.

你会到达一个明确的时刻，那时它又会重新对你而言变得真实。

And you will get to a place point blank period where it starts to feel true to you again.

如果现在它感觉不真实，也没关系。

And it's okay if it doesn't feel true right now.

如果在某些时刻，你觉得‘耶稣为你的人生有美好计划’或‘他会让万事互相效力，叫爱神的人得益处’这些话并不真实，那也没关系。

It's okay if in moments it doesn't feel like the truth that that Jesus is has a great plan for your life or that he will work all things together for good.

要知道，这些确实是真理，只是并不总是能感受到。

Like, know that that's truth and it doesn't always feel that way.

对我有帮助的一件事是，当我发现自己陷入一堆谎言和困惑中，心里想着‘天啊，我该怎么摆脱这种状态？’时，我会实际地做一件事。

And the one thing that helps me, I literally this is like a practical thing that I do when I find myself in a swirl of lies and like confusion and like, oh my gosh, this is how am I gonna get out of this?

我永远都不会好起来，现在一切都真的很糟糕。

I'm never gonna get better and things are really, really bad right now.

每当我有这种感觉时，我总会想起曾经听过的一句话：我们的当前现实，和上方的属天视角是并存的。

Whenever I feel that I I always I remember I don't know who I heard say at one time where it's just like there's like our current reality and then there's a heavenly perspective right above it.

当我们只盯着当前的现实时——这完全正常——这就是为什么我们会经历信心动摇的时刻，因为如果我们一直停留在属天的视角里，当然会充满信心。

And like whenever we're looking at our current reality, which is totally normal, that's why we have moments where we lose faith because if we always stayed in our heavenly perspective, of course you'd have faith.

但一旦你把目光放低，进入自然的领域，对大多数人来说，这里的情况大多数时候都不容乐观。

But the second you put your eyes down here and you're in the natural, things don't look good here most of the time for a lot of people.

这完全正常。

And that's completely normal.

通过我经历的一切，我学到的是：当我看着现实，心里想‘糟糕，这根本没法点燃我心中的信心’时，我不需要为此感到羞愧。

And what I've learned through everything I've ever been through is that I don't need to have shame for looking at the natural and being like, oh shoot, this does not fill my heart with faith right now.

然而，对我帮助极大的是，每当我被困在这种现实、这种自然状态、我所承受的痛苦、面对的困惑，以及这一团谎言和混乱中时。

However, what has been so helpful is whenever I find myself stuck in this reality, in the natural, my current circumstance, the pain that I'm in, the confusion that I'm facing and just like all this whole swirl of lies and mess.

这简直就像我会真的这么做。

It's almost like I literally I'll do this.

我会假装自己升到了上方，抬头望去，想起上帝的应许。

I'll like actually, like, pretend I'm like rising above it and I'll look above and it feels like I remember the promises of God.

我和耶稣对视，然后我想：好吧，你在这里，你正在做些事，我可以相信这一点。

And it's like me and Jesus lock eyes and I'm like, okay, you are here and you are doing something and I can trust that.

我每天都会这样重复很多次：当我身处低谷时，抬头就看见耶稣，心想：好吧，他正在做些事。

And I do that so many times a day where I'll be down here and then I look up and I see Jesus and I'm like, okay, he is up to something.

他在做些事。

He's doing something.

这其中一定有好的一面。

There has to be good in this.

上帝应许过，无论你正在做什么，或正在经历什么，最终都会从中得着好处，这是确定的。

It is the promise of God that no matter what you're doing or no matter what you're going through, there is good that will come out of it, period.

我之所以能这么说，是因为我一生中经历过太多这样的事了。

And I can speak to that from experience because I've gone through so much of it in my life.

前几天我读到一段话，说的是每当有人问别人，是什么让你发生如此巨大的转变时，大多数经历过深刻属灵转变或人生巨变的人，都会谈到他们的苦难。

And I read something the other day that was like, whenever you ask somebody, like what is your Most of the time whenever somebody has had like insane spiritual transformation or an insane life change and you ask them, they will talk about their suffering.

几乎每次当你问一个人，是什么带你走到这种对耶稣全然信靠、献上生命的地步时。

Like almost all the time when you ask someone what brought you to this point of like insane faith and a life laid down for Jesus.

是什么带你走到这一步的？

Like what brought you to that point?

他们几乎总是说，是苦难。

They almost always say it was suffering.

我可以作证。

I can testify.

它

It

在很多时候，苦难正是我们进入深厚信心的途径。

is the vehicle a lot of the time by which we enter into great faith.

所以，凡需要听到这话的人，要明白你所面对的一切，正是通往奇妙、火热而坚定信心的途径。

And so whoever needs to hear that, that whatever you're facing is your vehicle to an amazing fiery great faith.

我也在对自己说，即使现在感觉完全不是这样，你也必须坚持下去。

And I'm talking to myself too, even if it feels nothing like that right now, you just have to endure.

我们只能坚持下去。

We just have to endure.

你必须熬到另一边，因为卡玛拉说了什么？

You just have to get to the other side of it because what did Kamala say?

我夜间哭泣，但清晨必有喜乐。

And I weep in the night, joy come in the morning.

我可以告诉你，我对安吉拉说过，如果让我重新经历一切，再次经历那些让我觉得无法挺过去的痛苦，我依然会选择重来一遍。

And I can tell you, I said this to Angela, if I had to go back and go through everything all over again, and I went through pain that felt like I was not going to survive it, I would go through it all over again.

正是这些深刻的痛苦，才塑造了今天的我。

And that's some deep pain just to become the woman that I am today.

太好了。

So good.

我可以回望，每一个时刻，都是通过悲伤、苦难，以及上帝从我生命中拿走某些东西，我才得以指着那些时刻说：你在那里，你是真实的。

And I can point back And to every single it was only through the grief, the suffering, God taking away certain things in my life that I can point to those moments and say, you were there and you're real.

如果我没有经历这一切，我就不会认识祂作为医治者、作为我的天父、作为看见我的神。

And I would not know Him as healer, as my father, as the God that sees me.

如果没有经历所有的艰难、痛苦、悲伤，以及那些我连从地上爬起来都做不到的时刻。

If I did not go through all of the hardships, the pain, the grief, the moments where I couldn't pick myself up off the floor.

如果没有经历这一切。

If I didn't go through all that.

当我回想起那些躺在地上悲痛欲绝的时刻，我会说：等等，那一刻是你把我扶起来的。

And it's like, I go back to those moments of the grief on my floor and I'm like, wait a minute, you picked me up in that moment.

是的。

Yeah.

那时我连气都喘不过来，但祂帮助我重新平稳地呼吸。

Where I couldn't breathe and he helps me breathe easy again.

我就这样。

And I'm just like that.

我回头看，正是在那些时刻，我看见了耶稣。

I look, it was only through those moments where I saw Jesus.

是的

Yeah.

所以我非常感激心碎、痛苦和悲伤。

And so I'm just so grateful for the heartbreak, the pain, the grief.

我感激这一切。

I'm so grateful for it all.

如果我没有经历这些，我就不会成为今天这个充满信心、坚韧和品格的女性。

And I would, I just would not be this woman of faith and perseverance and character.

如果没有经历这些，我就不会有如今的品格、勇气和权威。

I would not have the character and the boldness and authority that I have I didn't go through it.

所以，我要对朋友们、朋友们、朋友们、社区说。

And so, I'm gonna say friends, friends, friends, community.

当你正在挣扎时，独自一人坐着真的很难。

It's really hard to sit in isolation when you are battling.

你们知道我来自马萨诸塞州。

You guys know I'm from Massachusetts.

我有一个最好的朋友，她的妹妹自杀了。

I have a best friend whose sister committed suicide.

她经历了太多的悲痛，实在无法再承受下去了。

She was going through so much grief that she just, she couldn't take it anymore.

当我们处于孤立状态时，敌人会攻击我们的思想，这是它常用的手法。

And one of the things that the enemy does is when we're in isolation, it's he attacks the mind.

我在自己的家庭中也见过这种情况。

I've seen it in my own family.

因此，我们最大的祝福之一就是彼此扶持，在我们无法挺直腰板、视线模糊时，为我们撑起手臂。

And so, one of the greatest blessings that we have is each other to carry us, to hold up our arms when we can't sit up straight or see straight.

所以你要围绕在身边的人，结交朋友，让那些在你无法诵读经文时为你祷告的人陪伴你，让他们用真理为你祷告。

And so you surround yourself with people, you surround yourself with friends, you have people pray over you when you can't speak the scriptures, you have them pray truth over you.

当你视线模糊、无法阅读时，让他们为你朗读圣经。

You have them read the Bible to you when you can't see straight and read.

当我们身处痛苦与悲痛之中时，社区和同伴至关重要。

It's crucial when we are sitting in pain and grief, community people.

找到你的同伴。

Find your people.

去爱。

Love.

是的。

Yeah.

人们都愿意在你身边支持你。

And people wanna be there for you.

那些觉得别人不想让自己成为负担的人，听好了。

That's the anybody who's listening who feels like people like they don't wanna be a burden.

人们都愿意在你身边支持你。

People want to be there for you.

对的那些人。

The right people.

人们愿意和你一起哀悼。

People wanna grieve with you.

他们愿意分担你的重担。

They wanna carry your burdens.

他们愿意与你分享你正在经历的一切。

They wanna share with you what you're going through.

所以，找到你的那些人，为这些人祷告。

So just find your people, pray for those people.

我为我的人思想耶稣。

I think Jesus for my people.

比如，我先为他思想耶稣，然后再为那些真正治愈了未曾伤害过的心的人祷告。

Like I think Jesus for him first and then for the people who help heal a heart that they didn't break truly.

那些，无论如何，那是另一个话题了。

Those are, anyways, that's a different episode.

但我

But I

我认为悲伤的另一个美好之处在于，它会引发一种渴望，而你本可以走上两条不同的路。

think that's another great thing about grief is it can, it causes a hunger and you can either go, I could have went two ways.