EP001 - Terry Rogers Shares Advice For The Younger Generation And Provides Practical Ways To Become And Stay Successful While Adapting To The Times

在拥有求知心态的前提下，经历一段不确定的时期是可以的，只要你不断提问，是一个探索者，想要了解事物。

It's okay to go through seasons of not knowing provided you have an inquiring mindset, provided that you're asking questions and you are a seeker I suppose and that you want to know things.

所以，没有目标或不清楚自己的意图，与只是随波逐流是不同的。

So there's a difference between not having a goal or not knowing your intention and just floating

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and

那种没有目标、不清楚意图但仍在探索、质疑、追问‘为什么’、‘为了什么’，敢于问些傻问题、保持好奇，是完全不同的。

there's a difference between that and not knowing your goal, not knowing your intention but seeking, questioning, inquiring how come, what for asking the dumb Yeah, being curious.

你看，我写的是第二种情况。

See, it's the second thing I wrote.

欢迎。

Welcome.

欢迎收听ATA（阿德莱德网球学院）推出的首个《专业之路》播客。

Welcome to the first ever Going Pro podcast by ATA, which stands for Adelaide Tennis Academy.

我是你们的主持人卢克。

And I'm your host, Luke.

《Going Pro》播客关注的是行动，是保持运动和以行动为导向。

The Going Pro podcast is about motion, about being in motion and action orientated.

因此，它关注的是迈向更美好未来的过程，而不仅仅是抵达终点，而是成为专业人士的过程。

So it's about the process towards moving into a better future, instead of just the getting there about being pro.

任何达到高水平并成为专业人士的人，都经历了大量的这一过程，而他们真正重视的从来不是抵达终点，而是沿途的旅程。

Anyone who's reached a high level and has gotten pro, they've done a lot of that process and it wasn't really ever about the getting there, it was about the journey along the way.

而这正是我们希望在这档播客中呈现的内容。

And that's what we want to paint in this podcast.

我们真心希望展现这段旅程。

We really want to show the journey.

我们特别希望确保这不仅仅与网球有关。

We really want to make sure that this is not just related to tennis.

它可以适用于所有体育运动。

Can be in all athletic pursuits.

它也可以适用于商业领域。

It can be business.

它也可以体现在人际关系中。

It can be in relationships.

它也可以体现在生活的方方面面。

It can be life in general.

我认为我们真正感兴趣的是讲述那些有趣人物的故事，提炼出实用的工具，帮助人们实现成长，迈向持久的积极改变。

I think that's what we're really interested in is we want to tell the stories of interesting people and extract practical tools to help people with their growth and how to move towards lasting change for the better.

因为我知道很多人真的渴望变得更好。

Because I know people really wanting to change for the better.

而这正是我们在这里要做的。

And that's what we're here to do.

我们希望看看是否能真正凝聚大家的力量，通过切实可行的方法实现持久的改变。

We want to see if we can actually all come together and see if we can make long lasting change through practical means.

因此，这个播客将围绕心态、表现、成功、胜利心态、内在成长等主题展开，汇集人们的经验，展示我们如何从这些经验中学习。

So this podcast will be centred around themes of mindset, performance, success, winning mentality, internal growth, and just collating people's experiences and showing how can we learn from those experiences.

因此，我们的第一期播客嘉宾是伟大的特里·罗杰斯。

So our first podcast is with the great man himself, Terry Rogers.

他是营销工作室4的创始人和创意总监，同时也是一名制片人、导演和电视主持人。

He is the founder and creative creator of marketing studio 4 and a producer and a director and also a TV presenter.

你将在明年推出一档新节目，名叫《构建创意》。

You have a new show coming out in the new year called Building Ideas.

它以前曾播出过，现在又复播了。

Was operating in the past and now it's back.

你和杰西卡·布雷思韦特共同主持这档节目。

You're the host with Jessica Braithwaite.

是这样吗？

Is that right?

没错。

That's right.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Yep.

完美。

Perfect.

在过去的十五年里，你为许多品牌注入了生命。

And you've brought many brands to life over the last fifteen years.

你深度参与了Sweat品牌（Kayla的自有品牌），负责拍摄他们所有的内容，并持续与他们团队保持沟通。

You have been a big involvement of Sweat, Kayla It's own brand, shooting all of their content and constant communication with them and the team.

你常年在全球各地生活，把时间投入到体育等热情爱好中，甚至在你巅峰时期还曾与阿德莱德黑鹰队一起训练。

You've been living globally around the world, you fill your time with passions of sport, you even trained with Adelaide Crows and around the squad back in your heyday.

是的。

Yes.

你对美食充满热情。

You have a passion for food.

你对家庭充满热爱。

You have a passion for family.

你有两个可爱的女儿，还有丈夫和你美丽的妻子蕾切尔。

You have two beautiful young girls, husband, two beautiful wife, Rachel.

和罗杰斯先生在一起，每一天都不一样。

And no two days are the same with Mr.

罗杰斯。

Rogers.

你让一切保持精彩、保持新鲜。

You keep it exciting, keep it fresh.

我认为这就是我们喜欢你在学院时的原因。

I think that's what we love about you when you're around the Academy.

你总是带来一股活力。

You always bringing a spark.

你总是激励孩子们。

You're always in motivating the kids.

你让一切充满乐趣。

You're keeping it fun.

你带来了一种极具感染力的能量。

You bring in a a real infectious energy.

我们根本想不到还有谁比你更适合第一个采访，因为你一直是我们在ATA旅程中的重要一员，我们非常珍惜你的存在。

And we couldn't think about anyone that we would love to interview first than you because you've been a big part of our journey at ATA, and we love having you there.

你不仅是我们的导师，也是我们的好朋友。

And you're a mentor and a great friend to us.

首先，非常感谢你今天能来到这里。

First of all, thank you so much for being here with us.

这真是我的荣幸。

Absolute pleasure.

让我们来深入聊聊这段开场白。

Let's unpack that intro.

我不知道，那里有太多我们可以谈的内容了。

I don't know, there's so much we can talk about there.

谢谢你们邀请我，我很高兴能来到这里。

Thanks for having me, delighted to be here.

上周当我们知道要录这个播客时，你问我是否想提前知道我们要聊什么，对吧？

You said to me last week when we knew we were going to do this podcast, did I want to know what we were going to talk about?

我跟你说过，我不想提前知道。

I said to you, no, I don't want to know.

所以我第一次听到这个开场白，了解了这个播客的意图，以及它有多么棒、多么鼓舞人心。

So I heard that intro for the first time about what the intention is for this podcast and how great, how motivating, how motivating.

100%

100%

能来这里真的很兴奋。

Exciting to be here.

谢谢你念出我给你的那些话，它们真的很好地描述了我。

Thanks for reading out the words that I gave to you to describe me really well.

谢谢。

Thank you.

是的，就是老式的拍拍背而已。

Yeah, just the old back slap.

对。

Yeah.

是的，我们喜欢这样的鼓励。

Yeah, we love a good back slap.

你需要这个。

You need it.

对。

Yeah.

所以我想从这里开始，我们已经听了一点关于你的经历。

So I guess where I want to start is we've heard a little bit about your journey.

当然。

Sure.

我认为回顾过去很重要，随着时间推移，你能以 hindsight 的视角看清哪些是关键的时刻。

And I think it's important to look back and with time, you can look back and you have hindsight and see what were some pivotal moments.

所以，我不想深入讲完整的故事，但我很想了解一些塑造了今天你的关键时刻，无论它们是充满挑战的，还是积极鼓舞人心的。

So I guess, without diving into a full story, I'd love to know a little bit more about some pivotal moments that have shaped you to be the man today, whether they were challenging or really a positive and uplifting.

你从这些时刻中真正汲取了什么？

And what did you really extract from some of those moments?

这里有没有什么第一时间浮现在你脑海中的想法？

Is there anything that comes to your head initially here?

这真的很有趣，因为你谈到了反思，对吧？

That's really interesting because you talk about reflection, right?

我不是特别擅长这个，这既是优点也是缺点。

And it's not something I'm really good at, which is a strength and also a weakness.

我觉得我们可以一直聊下去，聊到天荒地老，我们的优点和缺点其实几乎是邻居。

And that's something that we could talk about, I think, till the cows come home, that our strengths and our weaknesses are actually sort of next door neighbors.

如果你把擅长的事情做得不好或不正确，它就会变成缺点。

If you do the things you're good at and really good at poorly or incorrectly, it's a weakness.

只要稍微修正这些缺点，它们就可能变成你的优点。

And if you fix those weaknesses just a little bit, they can actually become your strengths.

所以，我的一个优点或者说缺点——由你和听众来判断——就是缺乏反思的意愿或能力。

So one of my strengths and or weaknesses, I'll let you determine and our listeners determine, has been the inability or the lack of willingness to reflect.

但这是因为我一直着眼于未来，不断向前推进。

But that's because I've always been future orientated, moving forward.

接下来是什么？

What's the next thing?

接下来是什么？

What's the next thing?

年龄会带来一种奇妙的变化，让你有空间去反思。

Age does do a funny thing that you do afford yourself reflection.

所以，如果你的问题是，当我回望过去，有哪些经验帮助我走到今天？

So if your question is when I look back, what are some of the takeaways that have helped shape to getting here?

我不知道。

I don't know.

那些我当时觉得对我有帮助的事情，可能在我回望时，并不觉得是真正起作用的因素，

The things that I thought helped me in the moment are maybe not what I think helped me when I look back on them,

如果这说得通的话。

if that makes sense.

你知道，当我年轻的时候，我对所有事情都充满热情，非常认真。

You know, when I was young, I was enthusiastic, I was earnest in all of my endeavours.

我始终相信，你做一件事的方式，我跟你说过很多次了，甚至在网球俱乐部也说过。

I have always believed that how you do one thing and I've said this to you so many times and I've even said it at the tennis club.

你做一件事的方式，就是你做所有事的方式。

How you do one thing is how you do everything.

这体现在你如何整理卧室，这反映了你如何打理工作桌。

It's whether how you keep your bedroom, that's a reflection of how you keep your desk at work.

你如何训练，就决定了你如何比赛。

How you train is how you play.

我的体育老师，他可能是促使我年轻时成为运动员的人，曾对我说：特里，练习并不带来完美。

My PE teacher who's responsible for probably pushing me to be the athlete I was when I was younger said to me, Terry, practice does not make perfect.

完美的练习才能带来完美。

Perfect practice makes perfect.

你可以去训练，但只是走个过场。

You can turn up to practice and go through the motions.

你不会变得更好。

You will not get better.

你可以去上班，只做最基本的要求。

You can turn up to work and just do what's required.

你不会变得更好。

You will not get better.

但如果你准时到场，这其中自有道理——日复一日地准时到场，本身就是一种自律。

But if you turn up and there's something to be said about turning up, That's a discipline in itself day in and day out, there's something to be said about turning up.

但如果你带着变得更好、做得更好的心态到场，这才是你进步的唯一方式。

But if you turn up with the mindset to be better, to do better, that's the only way you'll get better.

所以我认为，这种认真的心态在我年轻时帮助了我。

So I think having that earnest mindset was something that helped me when I was young.

做一个好的倾听者。

Being a good listener.

哇。

Wow.

而且我有很多话要说，对吧？

And I've got a lot of things to say, right?

所以我善于倾听，这说明了很多。

So me being a good listener says a lot.

善于倾听非常重要，因为学习不是发生在别人说话的时候，而是当你从他们没说出口的话中领悟时。

Being a good listener is so important because it's not like that's when you learn, it's when you learn from someone who's talking to you about the things they aren't saying.

当你真正积极地倾听并且非常擅长时，你能读懂肢体语言和细微差别。

When you actually actively listen and you're really good at it, you read body language, you read nuance.

当别人对你说话时，如果你真的在听，你就能明白言外之意。

Someone says something to you and if you're really listening, you know what the subtext is.

但如果你只是半心半意地听，你就感受不到，也看不到这些。

But if you're just sort of half listening, you don't feel that, you don't see that.

所以，如果你倾听得好，或者至少做到了一半，你就能消化理解。

So if you listen well or you're halfway there, you digest.

对我来说，另一个关键是——这可能源于我过去当一名有抱负的演员时的经历——要习惯并接纳不适感，是的，绝对如此。

And then the other one for me I think and this is probably in a previous life when I was an aspiring actor and all that sort of stuff become comfortable become comfortable with being uncomfortable, yes, absolutely.

要学会适应并拥抱拒绝与失败。

Become comfortable and embrace rejection and failure.

这确实是个大问题。

That's a big one.

不要容忍它。

Don't tolerate it.

对吧？

Right?

不要接受它，但要对它感到自在。

Don't accept it, but become comfortable with it.

当我当演员的时候，在长达十五年的时间里，我不断参加试镜，在阿德莱德、洛杉矶、悉尼、墨尔本的房间里，和那些有着相同梦想、相同价值观、相同抱负的人坐在一起。

When I was an actor, for the better part of fifteen years of my life, I would have auditions after auditions after auditions in rooms in Adelaide, in Los Angeles, in Sydney, in Melbourne, sitting next to people with the same dreams, the same values, the same aspirations.

你进去，读一段台词，表现得很好。

You go in, you read something, you would do a good job.

你去试镜，表现得非常出色。

You would audition, you would do a great job.

但他们却说不。

And they'd say no.

这真的很难接受。

And that's really, really hard to take.

我可以理解，当你表现糟糕时，别人拒绝你是容易接受的。

I can accept it's easy to accept someone saying no when you've been crap at something.

是的。

Yeah.

哦，你没入选是因为你不够好。

Oh, you didn't make the team because you were no good.

这个我能理解。

Kinda get that.

明白了。

Cool.

但当他们拒绝你，而你明明表现得很好时，试着去理解这一点。

But when they say no, but you were good, wrap your head around that.

是的。

Yeah.

想象一下，每周这样做十次，持续十五年。

Imagine doing that 10 times a week for fifteen years.

这能培养韧性，对吧？

It builds resilience, right?

我认为，这一点对年轻一代，比如我的孩子们，会很有帮助。

And I think that that's something that the younger generation, my children could benefit from.

犯错没关系。

It's okay to make mistakes.

犯错并从中学习没关系。

It's okay to make mistakes and learn from them.

所以，这就是几个答案了。

So there you go, there's a couple of answers.

不，你把这一点解释得非常好。

No, you unpacked that really well.

谢谢。

Thank you.

所以我们可以从中学到几个关键点。

So there's a couple of key things we can extract from that.

你做一件事的方式，就是你做所有事的方式。

How you do one thing is how you do everything.

所以我认为一个重要启示是，要把每件事都当作专业来对待。

So I think that's an important takeaway is do everything pro.

你不可能每次都做对，你肯定会犯错，但你的意图是什么？

You're not going to get it right, you're going to make mistakes, but what is your intention?

你能保持房间整洁吗？

Can you keep your room clean?

你能真正用心地对待你和妈妈的沟通吗？

Can you really take care of how you speak to your mum?

你能带着明确的意图投入你的练习吗？

Can you really show up with intention to your practice?

当你在练习时，关键在于：我们能否成为一个更好的倾听者？

And then when you are at your practice, it's about can we be a better listener?

当你处于倾听他人或有人试图教你东西的情境时，你能否接受反馈，真正听清教练或导师的建议？

When you are in a situation when you're listening to someone or someone's trying to teach you something, can you take on board feedback and actually listen to what the coaches or who the mentors are?

或者当你在会议中试图促成交易时，你是否真正观察并倾听他们说了什么，以及他们如何回应你的话？

Or if you're in a meeting and you're trying to close a deal, are you really observing and listening to what they're saying and how they're responding to the words you're saying?

而且

And

第三个要点是关于接受失败。

then the third one, which was centered around- Accepting failure.

是的，接受失败。

Yes, accepting failure.

我的意思是，要对它感到自在。

I mean Becoming comfortable with it.

是的。

Yeah.

变得自在。

Becoming comfortable.

你只需要勇敢地展现自己。

You just gotta put yourself out there.

我觉得这与机会有关。

I think that relates to opportunities.

没错。

Right.

机会来来去去，但如果你不主动展现自己，它们根本不会来到你面前。

Opportunities come and go, but they will not come and go they will not come your way if you're not putting yourself out there.

没错。

Right.

这里简单提一下我们播客的赞助商。

This is just a quick note on our podcast sponsor.

如果没有4RT的支持，这个播客是不可能实现的。

This podcast would not be possible without the support from 4RT.

他们是一家创意公司，帮助企业满足广告、营销和内容需求。

They are a creative house that helps businesses with their advertising, marketing, and content needs.

如果你的企业有一个故事要讲述，这些人真的能帮你讲好这个故事。

If your business has a story to tell, then these guys can really help you with that story.

通过ATA，他们极大地帮助了我们，我们非常信任这些人，觉得他们是业内最好的，他们能为你的营销和广告需求带来巨大价值。

And through ATA, they've helped us massively, and we trust these guys dearly, and we feel like they're the best in the business, so they could add a lot of value to your marketing advertising needs.

你知道，我觉得我们可以用网球场来打个比方。

And, you know, I think in let's use the tennis court.

在网球比赛中，你输掉的分数和赢下的分数其实是一样多的。

You are You're losing as many points as you are winning in tennis.

这是为数不多的几种你可能赢了更多分数、赢了更多局，却还是输掉整场比赛的运动，对吧？

It's one of the few sports that you can win more points, more games and lose the match, right?

所以，我们在球场上总是会犯错。

So, you know, we make mistakes on the court all the time.

我们在人生的赛场上也总是会犯错。

We make mistakes in the arena of life all the time.

学会接受它就好了，对吧？

Just get comfortable with it, right?

我认为，如果你从一开始就以终为始，无论是开始训练、周六的比赛日、工作日，还是职业生涯，都会更容易接受错误。

And I think it helps to become comfortable with mistakes if you start whatever it is start training, start game day on Saturday, start your work day, start your career if you start with the end in mind.

那就是你的理由。

That's your why.

是的，没错。

Yeah, exactly.

那是什么意思？

What does that mean?

这意味着设定目标。

Well, it means goal setting.

天啊，设定目标。

Oh my God, goal setting.

我有我的情绪板。

I've got my mood board.

这是事实。

It's the truth.

是的。

Yes.

如果你在周二晚上参加团队训练时，根本不知道自己为什么去，也不清楚想从中获得什么，

You rock up to squad training on Tuesday night and you don't know why you're there, then you don't know what you want to get out

那你是坚持不下去的。

of it.

这不会持久。

It's not going to last.

如果你不明白自己的目标，又怎么能持续面对挑战和失败呢？

How can you keep enduring through the challenges, the losses if you don't understand your why?

但如果你清楚自己的目标，就能继续坚持下去，比如今天训练很糟糕，周末比赛也打得不好，状态一落千丈，一切都不顺，

Because if you do, then you can keep pushing through because today this training sucked and I had a tough match on the weekend and I just went down and it's just not working out.

但我知道我为什么这么做。

But I know why I'm doing this.

这让我变得更强大。

It's making me stronger.

它让我变得更好。

It's making me better.

所以我回到训练场，开始坚持这些训练。

So I get back out on the practice corner and start to endure these training sessions.

我认为知道自己的意图和目标非常重要，这样我们才能在困难时期继续坚持下去。

I think that's really important is knowing your intention and knowing your why so that we can actually keep pushing through the bad times.

是的，事情顺利的时候一切都很好，很吸引人。

Yeah, it's all gravy and sexy when things are going great.

但在这些更艰难的时刻，我们该如何反弹回来？

But how do we bounce back through these tougher times?

是的，我觉得你之前说的那些话引起了共鸣，就是我们看到的年轻一代在这一点上似乎更挣扎一些。

Yeah, I think what you said before they hit a chord was just the younger generation that we're seeing coming through is just struggling with that a little bit more.

这是一种即时满足的文化，社交媒体，一切触手可及，似乎什么都知道。

Just a real instant gratification culture, social media, everything at their fingertips, knowing all the answers to everything.

一旦遇到困难，就很难坚持下去，缺乏韧性。

Things get hard and just finding a little bit challenging to push through that and have some resilience.

是的。

Yeah.

所以

So

对于年轻一代，您有什么建议吗？我们该如何帮助他们，或者任何正在这条路上奋斗的人？

is there any advice that you would give to the younger generation, how we can help them or anyone aspiring on the journey?

这很有趣，因为我相信当我们是年轻一代时，我们也面临着自己的挑战。

It's interesting because I'm sure when we were the younger generation, we had our own obstacles that we had to deal with as well.

所以这完全不是在指责谁。

So it's not a finger pointing thing at all.

相反，这应该是社会的责任，对吧？

And if anything, it's society's fault, right?

因为社会为我们所有人——年轻一代和之前的世代——提供了太多即时满足的条件。

Because society has provided so much more to all of us, younger and generations, to get the immediate gratification.

所以我们现在能随时获得所有答案。

So we've got all the answers at our fingertips.

但不要以为因为我们能随时找到答案，就以为自己也具备了相应的能力。

But don't just think that because we have the answers at our fingertips that we then have the ability at our fingertips.

你看到一位厨师在Instagram上发布一段如何做菜的短视频，就以为自己也能做出同样的菜，但其实你必须具备相应的技能，对吧？

You watch a chef give you a reel on Insta about how to cook a meal and you think that you're going to produce that meal you're not You've got to have the skills, right?

所以不要把答案误认为是能力。

So don't mistake the answers for the ability.

你需要一种自信，这种自信是过程的一部分。

There's a level of confidence that you need There to is a level And that's the process.

就是不断一点一点地积累，明白没有一蹴而就的灵丹妙药。

It's just continually chipping away and knowing that there's no magic pill.

你不可能一达到终点，就能打个响指就获得那种精通水平。

You're not going to get to that end point and just click your fingers and have that level of mastery.

这需要时间。

It's going to take time.

是的。

Yeah.

我想，当你年轻的时候，你会以结果为导向。

And I guess when you're young, you start with the end in mind.

当你年轻的时候，你可能不会这样。

When you're young, you might not.

你可能并不清楚。

You might not know.

所以你在探索，经历一个求知的阶段，这同样非常重要。

So you are exploring and you're going through a phase of inquiry and that's really important too.

所以，不管你十二岁还是二十五岁，天啊，我那时真想说脏话，天啊。

So, you know, whether you're 12 years old or whether you're 25 crikey, I wanted to swear then crikey.

我觉得我直到三十多岁才渐渐明白，但不知道也没关系。

Like I think I only sort of got clarity in my thirties, but it's okay to sort of not know.

是的。

Yes.

我们之前也谈过设定目标之类的事情。

And we've talked about having goals and stuff.

在保持求知心态的前提下，经历一段不确定的时期是可以的，只要你愿意提问，愿意探索，渴望了解事物。

It's okay to go through seasons of not knowing, provided you have an inquiring mindset, provided that you're asking questions and you are a seeker I suppose and that you want to know things.

没有目标或不清楚自己的意图，和漫无目的地漂泊，是两回事。

So there's a difference between not having a goal or not knowing your intention and just floating.

而没有明确目标、不清楚意图，却依然保持探索、提问、追问‘为什么’、‘为了什么’，提出那些看似愚蠢的问题，这又是另一回事。

And there's a difference between that and not knowing your goal, not knowing your intention, but seeking, questioning, inquiring, how come what for asking the dumb questions.

是的。

Yeah,

保持好奇心。

being curious.

这是我写的第二点。

Here's the second thing I wrote.

对，尤其是当你年轻的时候，这是探索的绝佳时期，有太多选择，有太多门路等待你打开，直到你不得不逐渐聚焦于少数几条道路。

Yeah, especially when you're younger and it is a massive time to explore and there's so many options, so many doors available before you have to maybe streamline into a couple of paths.

对。

Yeah.

我同情这些年轻人。

I feel for young kids.

有太多选择。

So many options.

还有太多噪音。

And so much noise.

有太多噪音在窃取你的注意力，争夺你的关注。

There's so much noise stealing your attention and vying for your attention.

我们那时候有什么？你是和我同龄的吗？

What did we have on do you like how I say we like you're the same age as me?

记下了。

Noted.

我年轻的时候，有什么在争夺我的注意力？

When I was young, what was vying for my attention?

运动。

Sport.

是的

Yep.

对吧？

Right?

还有各种不同的运动。

And different types of sport.

学校并没有怎么吸引我的注意力。

School, not really vying for my attention.

运动、朋友、女孩。

Sport, my mates, girls.

差不多就这些了。

And that was kind of it.

天啊，我觉得现在吸引你注意力的东西大概有十倍那么多。

Man I reckon there's probably 10 times that vying for your attention now.

所以，是我们自己的错吗？面对这么多声音，我们都不知道想要做什么？

So like is it our fault that we don't know what we want to do when we've got so many things talking to us?

所以我认为，当你能消除白噪音时，这一点很重要，要在一天中留出一些完全没有白噪音的时刻。我们不妨抛开那些自我帮助类的术语，从实际角度来具体说明。

So I think when you can get rid of the white noise it's important and have moments in your day where there is no white noise, whether you start the day let's break it down into practical terms rather using self help words.

早上醒来后二十分钟内别碰手机。

Don't pick up your phone when you wake up for twenty minutes.

有些人会把这叫做冥想。

Some people would call that meditating.

我只是说，别去碰你该死的手机。

I'm just saying don't pick up your damn phone.

睡觉时别把手机带进卧室。

Don't put your phone in your bedroom when you go to bed.

这一点很重要。

Big one.

有些人会说这是冥想。

Some people would say that meditating.

这只是一个实际的做法。

It's just a practical thing.

在工作或学习中，每天留出一段时间，不回邮件，不回复别人，专心做事。

Have a moment in your day in a work capacity or a school capacity where you don't answer emails and you don't respond to people, you just do the work.

这其中有区别，对吧？

There's a difference, right?

所以，找找那些可以消除噪音的时刻。

So just find moments where you can get rid of noise.

我觉得这一点很重要。

I think that's a big one.

我觉得保持回归到实际操作层面很重要。

I think it's important to keep bringing it back to practical terms.

当你开始不一醒来就拿手机，并真正留出空间来消除噪音时，你注意到了什么变化？

So what do you notice when you start to do those things where you're not starting your day with your phone and you're really having that space to get rid of the white noise.

当你做这些事情时，你注意到自己的一天有什么不同？

What do you notice changes in your day when you do these sort of things?

我可以告诉你，当我没这么做时，我会注意到什么。

I can tell you what I notice when I don't.

焦虑感更强，睡眠质量更差

Anxiety is higher, quality of sleep's less,

注意力

attention

专注力不好，我对身边最亲近的人的态度也不是最好的

span is not good, my behavior to those closest and nearest to me isn't the best.

所以，当我过度使用设备时，就会发生这些情况

So they're the things that happen when I'm on my device too much.

因此可以说，当我远离设备、不被外界噪音干扰时，我在对话中会表现得更好

So it's fair to say that when I'm not on my device or when I'm not listening to the external noise that I am a better person in a conversation.

我总是很忙，总是一半在听当前的对话，一半在想下一个话题，这是我的天性

I'm busy, I'm always sort of half in a conversation and half on the next one, that's part of my nature.

但最糟糕的是，你和我说话时，我却在做十件别的事

But at worst, you're talking to me and I'm doing 10 other things.

塞巴斯蒂安现在就和我们在一起，他可以证明这一点

Sebastian's in the room here with us, he could attest to that.

那么，当我终于有时间摆脱这些白噪音时，会发生什么？

So what happens when I do find the time to get rid of the white noise?

我变得更有效率。

I'm more effective.

我更快乐，也更平静。

I'm happier, I'm calmer.

我能在两分钟内完成一件事，而不是花十分钟，因为我高效且专注。

I can do something in two minutes instead of ten because I'm effective, I'm focused.

确实如此。

Absolutely.

想想看，我们能否将这种状态应用到如何帮助孩子，或者任何希望成为职业运动员或商业专业人士的人身上？

Think let's try to channel that into how that can help kids or anyone aspiring to be a professional athlete or professional in business.

如果你朝着这个方向前进，你认为真正能改变的是什么？

What do you think can really change if you're heading in that direction?

如果我们开始专注于这个领域，并长期坚持下去，你认为它会如何真正改善你在球场上或任何运动中的表现？

How do you see it really improving the way you are on court or any sport if we start to channel into this area and do it consistently over a lengthy period

时间？

of time?

是的。

Yep.

我对这一点有一些非常明确的想法。

I've got some real strong ideas on this.

是的。

Yep.

而且，好，我们来谈谈运动。

And, yeah, let's talk sport.

在我的运动生涯中，我踢过很多足球，水平相当高，但并不是场上最有天赋的球员。

In my sporting career, so I played a lot of football at a pretty high standard, and I was not the most talented player on the field.

我曾和一些后来赢得AFL总冠军的球员一起踢球。

I played with guys that went on to win AFL premierships.

他们效力于AFL俱乐部，出场次数超过100场。

They played at AFL clubs, 100 game players plus.

在很多情况下，我都是他们的队长。

I was their captain in many instances.

这怎么可能发生呢？

How does that happen?

你知道这是怎么发生的吗？

You know how it happens?

靠的是努力。

Through hard work.

对吧？

Right?

真是拼死拼活地干。

Hard damn work.

所以你必须付出努力。

So you've just got to put in the effort.

在你成长的年纪，八到十五岁之间，如果你没有天赋，但付出更多努力，这实际上可以弥补天赋的不足。

And in your formative years, you're young, between eight and 15, if you don't have talent, but you have more effort, it actually can make up for the lack of talent.

是的，当然。

Yeah, absolutely.

我们一再看到这种情况。

We see that time and time again.

天哪。

Oh my goodness.

想象一下，如果我告诉你，你也可以变得很棒。

Imagine if I said to you, you could be great.

你不需要成为最优秀的。

You don't have to be the best.

你只需要更努力一些。

You just got to work harder.

我们每个人都能做到。

We can all do that.

我们每个人都能做到。

We can all do that.

我可能不是世界上正手最厉害的，但我可以比你更努力地练习来提升它。

I might not have the best backhand in the world, but I can work harder than you to get it better.

我们大概在几个月前，你们 squad 训练结束时在后场打过球，旁边球场有几个孩子在打球。

We hit about three or four months ago before your squad training on the end court, and there were some kids hitting in the court next to us.

我的天，我们当时像疯猴子一样满场乱跑。

I mean, we were running around like crazy ass monkeys.

其中一个孩子走过来对你说：这人比我们 squad 的人跑得还多。

And one of the kids came up to you and said, This guy runs around more than we do at Squad.

你还记得吗？

Do you remember that?

是的，我记得。

Yeah, I do.

没错，我们当时确实跑得很猛。

Granted, we were running around.

兄弟，你是认真的吗？

Buddy, for real?

不，这不应该是这样。

No, that should not be a thing.

是的，我完全

Yeah, I Full

他们本应踏上这段网球之旅。

on, they're supposed to be on that tennis journey.

你为什么只是现在才出来？因为你怎么对待一件事，就会怎么对待所有事。

Why are you just just coming out because is because how you do one thing is how you do everything.

对。

Right.

而且你认同努力工作、竭尽全力从经历中收获最大价值的理念。

And you subscribe to the idea of working hard and really trying to get the most out of your experience.

是的。

Yeah.

即使你并不是为了达到网球生涯的某个终点。

Even if it's not that you're trying to get to some endpoint in the tennis game.

我打网球的时候并没有想着终点。

There is no I don't have the end in mind when I play tennis.

这很有趣。

It's interesting.

我更享受的是这段旅程和其中的体验。

It's more I love the journey and the experience of it.

不过我觉得得指出，网球很特别，因为它是一项个人运动。你知道，打足球时，如果你状态不好，还有18个队友会拉你一把，说别担心，我们支持你。

I think we've to call out though that tennis is interesting in that it's a solitary sport, you know, when you play football and you're not having the best day there's 18 guys to pick you up and drag you along and say it's okay, we got you.

网球不是这样的，网球考验的是心理韧性。

Tennis isn't that, Tennis is a mental toughness.

所以你需要做好充分准备。

So you need to come in prepared.

你要把每个细节都做到位。

You need to dot your I's and dot your T's.

你可别等到离家前十五分钟才开始收拾包、装水瓶、检查球线、找一双干净袜子。

You don't want to be packing your bag, filling your drink bottle, checking your strings, have you got a fresh pair of socks fifteen minutes before you leave home.