BDSM

嗨。

Hi.

我是米里亚姆。

I'm Miriam.

我是阿瑞尔。

I'm Ariel.

你正在收听《七分钟在天堂》。

And you're listening to seven minutes in heaven.

这是由浪荡女子制作的性新闻播客。

The sex news podcast by sluts.

为浪荡女子而做。

For sluts.

今天，我们聊聊和同事发生关系。

Today, we're talking about fucking your coworkers.

十七世纪的爱情关系。

Relationships in the seventeen hundreds.

我们将深入探讨BDSM。

And we dive deep into BDSM.

眨眼表情符号。

Winky face emoji.

我们还会回答一位听众关于约会软件最佳实践的问题。

We also answer a question from a listener about dating app best practices.

今天是情人节。

It's Valentine's Day.

这是我们第一期节目。

It's our first episode.

如果你单身，我们会让你感到温暖。

If you're single, we'll keep you warm.

如果你有伴侣，做爱时可以播放这个节目。

If you're in a relationship, play this while you're fucking.

一定会很棒。

It's gonna be good.

是的

Yeah.

对吧？

Right?

就好像我们现在正在用声音舔你的生殖器一样。

It's just like we are audibly licking your genitals right now.

压力太大了

There's so much pressure

在情人节那天。

on Valentine's Day.

我的意思是，我觉得大多数人情人节那天都感觉很糟糕。

I mean, I I feel like the majority of people feel horrible on Valentine's Day.

是的

Yeah.

因为即使你处在一段幸福的恋爱关系中，也会有压力，要求这一天必须过得完美。

Because if you're not in like a happy loving even if you are in a happy loving relationship, there's pressure for it to be a good day.

是的。

Yeah.

但如果你不是，那你就会想，哦，我要么因为单身而难过，要么刚刚结束了一段有毒的关系，现在又被不断提醒我曾经身处一段有毒关系中。

But if you're not, then you're like, oh, I'm either sad I'm single or I just got out of a toxic relationship and now I'm being really reminded of the fact that I was in a toxic relationship.

哦，听起来挺私人的。

Oh, it sounds personal.

不只是我。

Not just me.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我的一个朋友一直在和一个男生约会，她大概和他见过四次面，明天还要和他约会。

One of my friends, has been seeing this guy, like, maybe she's seen him four times and she has a date with him tomorrow.

她问我，我该给他送礼物吗？

And she's like, should I get him a gift?

哦。

Oh.

我觉得不行。

I'm like, no.

也许送他一块巧克力吧。

Maybe get him a chocolate bar.

那种挺可爱的。

Like, that's kinda cute.

你会收到情人节礼物吗？

Do you get Valentine's Day gifts?

你是说从粉丝那里吗？

Do I from like my fans?

王室？

The royals?

你这个王室。

The royal you.

那个我本人。

The royal me.

你知道我第一次买的CD是我妈妈在情人节送给我的礼物。

You know the first CD I ever got was a gift from my mom on Valentine's Day.

那是四年级时的一张格温·史蒂芬妮的CD。

It was a Gwen Stefani CD in fourth grade.

她把它刻录了。

She burned it

是给你刻的吗？

for you?

这可不是回音。

It ain't no holler back.

不是。

No.

她是去百思买买的。

She bought it from, like, Best Buy.

这非常甜蜜又浪漫。

That's a very sweet and romantic.

所以这项新研究发现，四分之一的英国人——我们可以合理推断这对美国人也适用——都曾做过关于同事的性梦，我 definitely 有过。

So this new study found that a fourth of British people, so we can just assume it's like applicable to Americans too, have had a sex dream about a colleague and I definitely have.

你有过吗？

Have you?

我没有，尽管我确实有过关于同事的性幻想。

No I haven't even though I've had like sex fantasies about a colleague

但你不是会幻想你的同事吗？

but not like you fantasize about your colleague?

就是在工作时。

Like at work.

给我举个例子。

Like give me an example.

比如他走进房间的时候。

Like if he comes into the room.

他来了，是的。

He comes, yeah.

对，就是这样。

Yeah exactly.

我就想，他来了。

I'm like he's coming.

你是不是会突然大脑空白，就只是——不。

Is it like you black out and you just are No.

我在批评，我。

Criticizing I'm

就是觉得他好帅，我会。

just like oh he's hot and I would.

这不是一个完整的故事，但现在我这么一想。

It's not a full story line but like now that I'm thinking about it.

它已经变成一个故事了。

It has become a storyline.

是的，所以我不能把这个播客给我的任何同事看。

Yeah so I can't show this podcast to any of my co workers.

我会的，但你永远不知道我谈的是谁。

I will anyway you'll never know who I'm talking about.

好吧，那就这样吧。

Okay well that was that.

分享一件你性感的事。

Share one of your sexy things.

是的，我不确定这算不算性感，但它和性有关。

Yeah I don't know if this is sexy but it's related to sex.

中国这个国家是

China the country is

不是黑人中国吗？

Is not black China?

你还可能是谁

Who else would you be

在说什么？

talking about?

是的，我知道，我只是想澄清一下。

Yeah I know I'm just trying to clarify.

中国政府为举报色情网站的公民提供最高80000元人民币（约合86000美元）的奖励。

The country of China is offering up to 80 what's worth 86,000 US dollars for to citizens who report porn sites.

86000美元是中国人的平均年收入。

86,000 US dollars is the average annual salary for someone in China.

所以，是的。

So and yeah.

然后，你根本不用去上班，只需要在网上搜色情内容，举报一下，就能赚一大笔钱。

And then, like, instead of going to work, you could just troll the Internet for porn and then report it and make a shit ton of money.

整个这件事是名为“清理色情，打击非法”运动的一部分。

And this whole thing is part of a campaign called clean up the pornographic, strike up the illegal.

呃。

Ugh.

基本上，如果你举报，就能拿到钱，但如果你被定罪，就会面临严重的后果。

And basically, there's, like, if you report it, you get money, but if you're found guilty, get like serious consequences.

你可能会坐牢，或者被罚款。

You can go to prison, you can pay fines.

是的。

Yeah.

这是他们限制色情内容的一种方式。

It's one of their ways to restrict porn.

我因为在谷歌上设置了这个关键词的提醒，所以读到了很多关于这个故事的报道，但这些报道都没什么细节。其中一家网站是Barstool Sports，他们只是说：想象一下，如果中国彻底清除了所有色情内容，生产力会提升到什么程度。

And I read about the story on a bunch of sites because I got a Google alert for it and it didn't have a lot of details and one of the sites was Barstool Sports and they were just like imagine how productive China's about to get if they get rid of all of their porn.

嗯，你会这么做吗？

Well yeah would you do that?

你会举报色情内容吗？

Would you report porn?

绝对不。

Absolutely not.

实际上，我刚才说得太快了，但86000美元，我们能不能去中国赚这笔钱，然后回来，这样我就有能力搬出我妈的房子了。

Actually I mean I said that real quick but like $86,000 Could we go to China and do that and come back here and then I can afford to move out of my mom's house.

我的意思是，我愿意去，我也很想亲自去看看中国。

I mean I'm down, I'd also love to just go to China and like see China.

我们要不要去？

Should we do it?

好。

Yeah.

下一期。

Next episode.

好吧，另一项研究，现在这项研究非常重要，因为现在有很多关于性交易的法律。

All right so another study, this one is really important now because of all the sex trafficking laws that are going on.

但基本上，在那些性工作者被刑事化或面临压制性执法的国家——这项研究将其描述为被逮捕、监禁、没收针头、注射器或避孕套——这太过分了，或者被驱赶到新地区，或遭受警察的肉体或性暴力——

But basically in countries where sex workers are criminalized or they face repressive policing which the study characterizes as being arrested, imprisonment, confiscation of needles, syringes or condoms which is so rude or being displaced to a new area or physical or sexual violence by officers themselves.

他们遭受肉体或性暴力的可能性高出三倍，感染HIV或其他性传播疾病的可能性高出两倍；而那些未遭受这些压制性警察暴力的性工作者则不会。

They're three times as likely to experience physical or sexual violence and twice as likely to get HIV or other STDs and sex workers who are not exposed to those repressive police violence.

而且他们的心理健康状况也更差。

And they also, are more likely to have poor mental health.

所以性工作者遭受的待遇真是太糟糕了，人们以为他们在打击人口贩卖，但这些性工作者的工作就是如此，他们却因此受到惩罚。

So it's just really fucked, how sex workers are mistreated and people think they're stopping sex trafficking but these sex workers like this is their job and they're being punished for that.

这并不能阻止人口贩卖，反而让那些试图谋生的人生活更艰难。

And it doesn't stop sex trafficking, it just makes life worse for the people who are trying to make a living.

是的，对那些想要性服务的人也是如此。

Yeah and for the people who want the sex.

对，对每个人来说都更糟了。

Yeah it's worse for everyone.

好了，这个研究讲完了。

Okay done with that study.

这真是个令人难过的研究。

That was a sad one.

再讲一个吧？

Do another one?

是的，这算是个低调的剧透，但也没那么严重。

Yeah so it's like a low key spoiler alert, but it's not that big of a deal.

如果你想跳过接下来的一分钟，尽管跳过吧。

If you want to skip the next minute, go for it.

但最近有两部电影上映了，分别是《玛丽女王》和《宠儿》，它们都讲述了15到18世纪同性之间的亲密关系，而《The Cut》的一篇文章非常有趣，主要讨论了那个时代的关系与现在截然不同。

But, these two movies recently came out, Mary Queen of Scots and The Favourite, and they both talk about, same sex sex in the fifteen to seventeen hundreds and it was really interesting this article by The Cut came out and they were basically talking about how relationships in that era were really different than they are now.

比如现在，大多数人或主流观念都是一段专一的承诺关系，这个人要满足你所有的需求。

Like now you have one monogamous commitment most people or the mainstream, you have one monogamous commitment and that person is supposed to fulfill all of your needs.

但在那个时代，人们拥有一个主要伴侣的同时，与同性建立非常亲密的友谊是很常见的。

But in this time period, it was a lot more normal for people to have like a primary partner but then have really close friendships with people of

同性别。

the same gender.

友情的，

Platonic or

那时候，友情和亲密关系的界限要模糊得多。

It was like much more blurry, the lines of what was platonic.

所以两个女人可能会说‘我渴望你的拥抱’，这在当时被认为是

So like two women could be like I long for your embrace and that was considered

我渴望你的拥抱，亲爱的。

I long for your embrace, dear.

天哪。

Oh my god

我也是。

so do I.

但那些信里确实写着：‘如果能死在你的怀抱里，我今晚就心甘情愿。’

But yeah that was like letters that were saying I would would die tonight if it meant I could be in your arms.

这些充满深情的浪漫信件，人们都觉得没问题，可以写给另一个女人，又不意味着你们想和对方上床。

Like these really deeply romantic letters were considered like oh that's okay to say to another woman it's not like you guys want to fuck each other.

那男人呢？

And men?

男人也差不多，只是方式略有不同。我没看过那部有男性同性关系的电影，但看起来情况也是一样的。

Men too a little differently but yeah the same like I haven't I didn't see the movie where there was a same sex relationship with men but it seemed to be the same thing.

女性似乎被允许多一些自由。

Think women are were allowed a little bit more.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我对那部分不太了解。

I'm not as educated on that part.

但当时人们可以接受那种关系，却不能接受跨性别装扮，所以过去很多女性会打扮成男性，一旦被发现，就会惹上大麻烦。

But what was we like they were down for that but they were not down for any cross dressing, so a lot of women try to dress up as men in the past obviously, and if they got caught they would get in like pretty serious trouble.

太奇怪了。

So bizarre.

是的。

Yeah.

真古怪。

So weird.

真是奇怪，人际关系竟然完全是社会建构出来的。

It's weird that it's like just so socially constructed what like relationships just are.

是的。

Yeah.

现在回头看，男性穿着像女性一样，比如他们的长裙之类的。

And men looking back now men dressed like women like with their plazes and whatever.

漂亮的鞋子。

Cool shoes.

这个也很令人心酸，我的观点是，或者其实也不算心酸，可能反而是积极的。

This one is also pretty sad my thing is, or it's not sad actually, could be positive.

另一项研究发现，接受过高中性同意教育的大学生，在大学期间及一生中遭遇性暴力的可能性降低一半。

So another study found that college students who get consent education in high school are half as likely to be victims of sexual violence in college and in their life.

所以基本上，如果在大学前就教授同意观念，他们就不大可能遭受性侵。

So basically if consent is taught in college, they probably won't get assaulted.

而美国目前的问题是，特朗普刚刚推动资助仅限禁欲的项目，而这些项目并不包含同意教育。

And the problem in The States right now is that Trump has just pushed to fund abstinence only programs and that doesn't include consent.

因此，这项研究希望能帮助人们推动全面性教育，但

So this study hopefully will help people push for comprehensive sex ed but

特朗普不相信科学，所以他掌权期间这种情况不会发生。

it's Trump doesn't believe in science so while he's present.

除非他被弹劾并下台，否则这种情况不会发生。

It's not gonna happen yet until he is impeached and out of the closet.

是的。

Yeah.

从他的白宫密室里滚出去。

Out of his White House closet.

是的。

Yeah.

不错。

Cool.

好吧，上周的性教育内容由阿里安·穆里翁带来。

Well that was last week in sex brought to you by Ariane Murion.

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If you're a classy bitch you should buy sex toys from Dame Products.

这是一个相当新的性玩具公司，由两位和我们一样的犹太女性创立。

It's a fairly new sex toy company founded by two Jewesses just like us.

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And you can support us by supporting them by giving them your money.

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Use our code SMH pod for 10% off your first sexy purchase.

保证高潮，否则退款。

Guaranteed orgasms or your money back.

认真的。

Seriously.

她们是少数几家允许你在60天内退货的性玩具公司之一，所以这里真的没有任何风险。

They're one of the only sex toy companies that lets you return products within sixty days so there's really no downside here.

除了你是个该死的婊子，不支持我们。

Except you being a fucking bitch for not supporting us.

开玩笑的。

Just kidding.

我们非常爱你。

We love you so much.

好的。

Okay.

再见。

Bye.

不错。

Cool.

不错。

Cool.

不错。

Cool.

现在是时候继续看更多性研究了。

And now it's time for more sex studies.

是的。

Yeah.

所以每周我们都会聚焦一个特定主题，每个人都会带来一项研究。

So every week, we're gonna focus on a specific topic and we're each gonna bring a study.

所以米里亚姆和我已经互相分享了我们要讲的内容，但对你们来说都是全新的。

So Miriam and I did share with each other what it's gonna be but it's all new to you guys.

所以主题是，鼓掌欢迎，BDSM。

So the topic is drum roll please, BDSM.

好的。

Okay.

米里亚姆，你开始吧。

Hit it Miriam.

是的。

Yeah.

对于不了解的人，BDSM 是一个复杂的缩写，代表绑缚与调教、支配与顺从，以及施虐与受虐。

So for those who don't know, BDSM is like a crazy acronym that stands for bondage discipline, dominance and submission, and sadism masochism.

真够拗口的。

What a mouthful.

是的

Yeah.

所以它目前被列入DSM-5，我会核实这一点，但上一次我查的时候，它被列为一种性偏好障碍，意思是如果你喜欢BDSM，那你脑子就有问题——但这完全是胡说八道。

So it's currently in the DSM five and I'll fact check this, but last time I checked it was in the DSM five as a paraphilia which means that it's like you're fucked in the head if you like BDSM but that's bullshit.

所以我读的那项研究名为《合意的BDSM促进角色特定的意识状态改变：一项初步研究》。

So, the study that I read was called Consensual BDSM Facilitates Role Specific Altered States of Consciousness, a preliminary study.

是的

Yeah.

它发表在《意识心理学：理论、研究与实践》期刊上，我想是这样。

It was published in the Psychology of Consciousness Theory Research and Practice journal I guess.

它发表于2016年，作者多达几十位，我们会在节目笔记中列出他们的名字。

It was published in 2016 and there are like a gazillion authors, we'll reference them in the show notes.

他们很棒，感谢你们的出色工作。

They're cool, thanks guys for your great work.

非常感谢。

Thank you so much.

是的，我是认真的，这非常重要。

Yeah, no for real this is so important.

所以，他们找了14名参与者参与这项研究，样本量很小，因为一旦你了解研究内容，招募参与者就非常困难——毕竟只有14个人，很难得出明确结论。但基本上，他们找了14个人，其中一些是单身关系中的伴侣，一些是多元关系中的伴侣，还有一些是当天刚认识的人。

So, basically they got 14 participants to participate in the study, very small because it's really difficult once you hear what the study was to Yeah, so recruit you know with the sample size of 14 people it's hard to draw anything really conclusive but, basically they got 14 people, Some of them were couples in monogamous relationships, some were couples in poly relationships, some were people who just met that day.

他们通过FetLife网站找到这些人，FetLife是一个连接BDSM爱好者们的网站。

They found them on FetLife, which is a website that connects people who are into BDSM.

他们让这些人来实验室掷骰子。

And they basically had them come in and roll a dice.

哦，他们所有人都是双角色者，自我认同为双角色，这意味着他们既享受掌控的角色，也享受被掌控的角色。

Oh, they all were also switches, self identified switches, which means that they enjoy being the person in control and the person who is not in control.

所以是支配者和服从者。

So dominant and submissive.

是的，在这项研究中，他们称之为上位者和下位者。

Yeah, or in the study they referred them as top and bottom.

好的。

Okay.

所以他们都是双面角色。

So they were all switches.

这非常重要。

That's really important.

于是他们每人掷骰子来决定谁扮演哪个角色。

So they each rolled a dice to decide who would play which

角色。

role.

而这个场景就是他们所谓的性爱时间。

And the scene is what they call like the sex time.

性爱时间。

Sex time.

性爱时间。

Sex time.

是的。

Yeah.

然后他们做了的是，在掷骰子决定角色之前立即对参与者进行了调查，然后他们等待了三十分钟才开始。

And then what they did was they surveyed them, before like immediately They surveyed them before they rolled the dice and decided rolls, and then they waited thirty minutes to start.

然后他们在场景开始前再次对参与者进行了调查。

Then they surveyed them right before the start of the scene.

他们在场景结束后立即进行了调查吗？

They surveyed immediately post scene or no.

抱歉。

They sorry.

他们让参与者体验了事后关怀，也就是在场景结束后，人们会拥抱并讨论刚刚发生的事情。

They let them experience aftercare which is after a scene when you just like cuddle and talk about what just happened.

除了分配的角色外，他们没有设定任何规则，只是说想做什么都可以，同时还采集了大量的唾液样本。

They didn't set up any rules other than the assigned roles, they said do whatever you want and they also took a bunch of saliva samples.

哦，我还没提到假设。

Oh, I didn't talk about the hypothesis.

所以这项研究的主要目的是弄清楚：为什么人们会对BDSM感兴趣？

So basically the point of the study was they were trying to figure out like why are people into BDSM?

他们认为这是因为人们达到了一种意识的改变状态。

And they think it's because you achieve this altered state of consciousness.

所以他们说，主导者，也就是掌控的一方，会进入一种心流状态。

So they were saying that TOPS, the people in control, they experience a state of flow.

心流基本上就是你体验到的一种状态，抱歉。

So flow is basically like something that you experience, Sorry.

好的。

Okay.

当你完全沉浸在这种体验中时，就会出现这种状态。

It's when you're completely absorbed in the experience.

你会充满活力，完全投入其中，高度参与，并且感觉自己处于最佳表现状态。

So you're energized, you're fully, like, into it, you're super engaged, and you feel like you're at your optimal performance.

当你参与体育运动、创作音乐或做瑜伽时，常常会进入这种状态。

And that often happens when you're, like, participating in athletics or creating music or doing yoga.

就像是

It's like

我从来没那种感觉。

I literally never felt that.

真的吗？

Really?

是的。

Yeah.

但你是作家啊。

But you're a writer.

你不觉得

You don't think

写作的时候吗？

when you write?

不，我写作特别困难。

No it's so hard for me to write.

我知道这是我的工作，但我花很长时间才能完成。

I know that's my job and it takes me such a long time.

但当你真正投入进去的时候，你从来不会觉得‘哦，我完全知道自己在写什么’，对吧？

But like when you get into it you never like feel like oh I know exactly what I'm writing about right

现在？你说什么？

now and I'm like know what?

我感觉最顺畅的时候是写那篇《光明节性行为解析》的时候，因为那时我只是在如实记录真正发生的事，而写其他东西时，我必须得费劲地思考。

Best I've ever felt at that was when I wrote that Hanukkah Sexposition piece because I was just writing like what literally happened whereas when I write other stuff I have to like think.

思考很难。

Thinking is hard.

是的，这说得通。

Yeah that's fair.

好吧，进入状态。

Okay, flow.

所以，确实有九个维度构成这种状态，但如果你想了解，可以自己去读那项研究。

So yeah, there's nine dimensions that make it up but you can read that in the study yourself if you want to know.

所以他们预测，主导方会体验到心流，而被动方则会体验到——管它叫什么——前额叶功能暂时性减弱，也就是前额叶没那么活跃的状态。

So they predicted that tops experience flow and then they predicted that bottoms experience, fuck the name of which, transient hypofrontality which is basically when your frontal lobe isn't working so much.

所以你的执行功能失效了，你的额叶就像在思考一样——当你试图解决问题、做决定时，所有这些都发生在你的额叶中。

So your executive functioning is off and your frontal lobe is like you're thinking, like your real thinking when you're trying to work through problems, make decisions, that's all happening in your frontal lobe.

因此，专注思考被关闭了，你进入了一种疯狂的放松状态。

So focused thinking is turned off and you're in this like crazy state of relaxation.

这基本上就像你体验跑者高潮时，或者冥想时的状态，你也可以通过药物体验到这种状态。

It's basically like when it's something that you experience if you're like getting runner's high or if you're meditating, you can also experience it with drugs.

这项研究没有具体说明是哪种，但我相信我们能弄清楚。

The study didn't specify which but I'm sure we can figure that one out.

我们应该去测试一下。

We should test it out.

是的，我们 definitely 应该去测试一下。

Yeah we should definitely test it out.

所以他们说，受方享受受方角色，是因为他们体验到了这种短暂额叶功能减退的改变状态。

So they said that bottoms enjoy bottoming because they experience this altered state of transient hypofrontality.

他们做了研究，结果发现，实际上施方和受方在场景中都会体验到心流状态。

So they did the studies and it turned out that actually tops and bottoms both experienced flow state when in a scene.

然而，由于只有七名受试者是受方，在关于心流的调查中，不少人对部分问题选择了‘不适用’作为答案。

However, because there were only seven people who were bottoms, a lot of them, in the test of the flow of like the survey that surveyed for flow, not a lot, but a few selected not applicable as answers to some of the questions.

结果发现，施方完全体验到了心流的全部效果，但受方却缺失了心流中伴随的控制感。

So it turns out that the tops get the full effect of flow, but the bottoms are missing the feeling of control that comes with flow.

他们感觉自己确实全身心投入其中，但却没有感受到自己处于最佳表现状态，也不清楚事情的确切进展。

So they're feeling like the they're really engaged in what they're doing but they don't feel like they're at their optimal performance or that they know exactly what's going on.

这一点是他们未曾预料到的，他们原本以为受方不会体验到心流，但结果他们确实体验到了。

So that was something that they didn't expect, they didn't think bottoms would experience flow but they did.

对，明白了。

Right, okay.

他们感觉不到自己有控制权，因为他们是顺从的一方。

They don't feel like they're in control, mean they're the submissive.

是的。

Yeah.

但你刚才说的第二点是什么？

But what was that second thing you just said?

他们处于完全的最佳状态。

They're like total optimal performance.

对，最佳状态，但我不是很明白。

Right optimal performance, so that I don't quite understand.

你谈到了自己的经历，你能理解他们说的是什么吗？

Well you've talk about your own experience, like do you get what they're saying?

是的，是的，我这辈子既当过主导者也当过顺从者，我认为自己是双面的。当我当主导者时，除了你正在做的事情，其他一切都不存在。

Yeah, yeah so like okay so I've topped and bottomed in my life, I consider myself a switch and when I've been a top you kind of like nothing else exists except what you're doing.

嗯。

Mhmm.

你完全专注于它，因为就像，我都不知道该怎么解释。

And you you're you are like totally focused on it because it's like, I don't even know how to explain.

就是这个人对你的行为反应非常强烈，你可以随意对他们做任何事，这种力量太疯狂了，就像那句老话：绝对的权力导致绝对的腐败。

It's just like this person is like reacting so heavily to what you're doing and you can kind of do whatever the fuck you want to them and it's like this crazy power that it's like, you know, how absolute power corrupts absolutely.

我完全能感受到这一点。

Like, I totally feel that.

你就想，我现在要对你做什么呢？

Like, you're just like, what am I gonna do to you now?

你会冒出一些想法。

And you'd like I mean, you get ideas.

哇哦。

You're like, woah.

我要做这件事。

I'm gonna do this thing.

然后对方会说，哇哦。

And then the person's like, woah.

你刚刚做了那件事。

You just did that thing.

我心想，我要高潮了。

And I'm like, gonna come in my pants.

但你又想，还不行，现在不能。

But then you're like, you're not allowed to yet.

她为你们这些看不到她的人晃了晃指甲，而你们所有人都是这样。

She wagged her fingernail for you guys who cannot see her, which is all of you.

就是所有人。

Which is everyone.

好的。

Okay.

那当你处于下方时呢？

And then when you're bottom?

所以当你处于下方时，你不仅感受到流动，还感受到暂时性前额叶功能减退。

So when you're bottom you are feeling the flow but you're also feeling the transient hypofrontality.

如果我发音错了，我很抱歉，我觉得我没错，但我还是道歉。

I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing that, I don't think I am but I'm still sorry.

我觉得其他研究者会联系我们，然后给我们发私信。

I think other researchers will contact us and let us slide into our DMs.

是的，另外如果我做得不对，也很抱歉，这就像你们的工作，你们

Yeah also sorry guys if I'm not doing this right, it's like your work, you

好的，你有没有感觉到自己没有处于最佳状态？

okay do feel that that you, are not in your optimal performance?

我希望，我不知道这个调查是怎么设计的，但他们似乎得出了这个结论。

I would like, I don't know what how the survey is structured that they kind of got that.

但当你处于下方位置时，感觉确实完全不同。

But it's definitely a different feeling when you're bottoming.

他们称之为亚空间，但你基本上会失去自我。

Like, they call it subspace, but you basically, like, lose yourself.

你脑子里只想着正在发生的事，但即便如此，就像我之前说的，我做过、说过一些事情，连我自己都记不起来，因为我感觉自己仿佛置身于另一个世界。

Like, you aren't thinking about anything except for what's going on, but even then and, like, honestly like I've said and done things that I can't even like remember that I said and did them because I felt like I was in this like other world.

这真的很难描述，因为你完全沉浸其中。

And it's like really difficult to describe it because you're just so in it.

嗯。

Mhmm.

你知道的？

You know?

而且，是的，我读这项研究时真的深受启发，因为我没想到这竟像是一种冥想体验，而我又懒得冥想，也 definitely 懒得跑步。

And yeah, like I reading this study was definitely really eye opening because I think that I didn't realize it is like a meditative experience and like I'm too lazy to meditate, I'm definitely too lazy to run.

而且你不能频繁地吸毒。

And you can't do drugs frequently.

但像BDSM这样，是一种轻松有趣的方式去体验这种感觉，我想这就是为什么人们会这样，也许佛教徒都热衷于BDSM。

But like, BDSM is like kind of an easy fun way to experience this like I guess this is why people this is why Buddhists are all about BDSM.

也许这就是涅槃。

Like maybe this is nirvana.

等等。

Wait.

好吧。

Okay.

你懒得跑步。

You're too lazy to run.

你懒得

You're too lazy to

冥想。

Meditate.

冥想，

Meditate,

但你并不懒到不愿意进行激烈的性行为。

but you're not too lazy to engage hardcore sex.

不是的，因为这很有趣。

No because it's fun.

这很容易。

It's easy.

我的意思是，这并不容易。

I mean it's not easy.

你得找到一个技术好又值得信赖的人，但这真的非常爽，我敢肯定那些热衷于跑步和冥想的人对他们做的事也有同样的感受。

You have to find someone who's good and who you trust but it's really fucking fun and I'm sure people like who are really into running and meditation feel that way about those things too.

他们都喜欢BDSM。

They're all into BDSM.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是

I mean

去他的，别管那些狗屁东西。

yeah like fuck all that shit.

说吧。

Go.

埃米纳姆也喜欢BDSM？

Eminem is into BDSM?

《Lose Yourself》？

Lose yourself?

那大概就是了。

That's about Probably.

我觉得所有东西都跟BDSM有点关系。

I think everything is kind of about BDSM.

是的。

Yeah.

一切都与性有关。

Everything is about sex.

除了性。

Except sex.

性关乎权力。

Sex is about power.

性关乎权力。

Sex is about power.

BDSM。

BDSM.

哇，你觉得特朗普对BDSM感兴趣吗？

Woah do you think Trump is into BDSM?

我的意思是，他肯定让那些女孩在他身上撒尿。

I mean he definitely like had those girls pee on him.

是的，就是那个小便录像。

Yeah the pee tape.

我觉得，我的意思是，如果我错了请纠正我，但据我与那些在性行为中喜欢小便的人的互动来看，重点并不在于小便本身，而在于小便所代表的意义。

I feel like it, I mean definitely correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think people at least from my interactions with people who enjoy pee during sex, it's not about the pee, it's about like what the pee represents.

嗯。

Mhmm.

而它所代表的是：我要在你身上小便，因为我根本不尊重你。

And what that represents is like, I'm gonna pee on you because I don't respect you.

对。

Right.

或者类似的意思。

Or whatever.

对。

Right.

而特朗普

And Trump

是的。

Yeah.

有很多母亲情结。

Has a lot of mommy issues.

而且，我的意思是，这简直是个老套情节，比如《华尔街之狼》里的情节，对吧？

Also, I mean, it's such a trope, right, of, like, men in power who love to be like, in Wolf of Wall Street Mhmm.

当他去找女虐恋专家的时候。

When he went to the dominatrix.

当你在生活中一直觉得自己掌控一切时，能够放下这种控制感真的很好。

Like, it's just when you especially in life when you feel like you are so in control all the time, it's so good to be able to let go of that.

那些身居高位的人，可能去跑步、冥想、吸毒，或者选择做 submissive。

And, like, yeah, those people who are in high positions of power could be running, could be meditating, could be doing drugs, or they could be subbing.

无非就是这四种方式之一。

It's one of four things.

是的。

Yeah.