Commitment: The Boy Who Lived (Book 1, Chapter 1)

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先生

Mr.

夫人

And Mrs.

Privet Drive 4号的德思礼夫妇很自豪地宣称，他们再正常不过了。

Dursley of Number 4 Privet Drive were proud to say that they were perfectly normal.

非常感谢。

Thank you very much.

他们是最不可能卷入任何怪事或神秘事件的人，因为他们根本不信这些无稽之谈。

They were the last people you'd expect to be involved in anything strange or mysterious because they just didn't hold with such nonsense.

德思礼先生是一家叫卡斯珀·特克尔公司的董事。

Mister Dursley was the director of a firm I'm Casper Terkile.

我是薇薇安·佐尔坦。

And I'm Vanessa Zoltan.

这是《哈利·波特与神圣文本》。

And this is Harry Potter and the sacred text.

卡斯珀，我们刚开始聊哈利·波特的时候，我抱怨过小说里一个总让我很烦的矛盾点——巫师们什么时候穿麻瓜衣服，什么时候不穿。

Casper, one of the first conversations that we had about Harry Potter, I was complaining about this inconsistency in the novels that always annoy me about when wizards wear muggle clothes and when they don't.

你跟我说，不如我们别把它当成漏洞，而是假设作者故意这么写的？

And you said to me, well, what if we treated that as if it wasn't an inconsistency, but it was there on purpose?

那次对话让我特别兴奋，因为它把我从一个肤浅的、愤世嫉俗的惯性里拉了出来——那种事我最拿手了。

That conversation was so exciting to me because it took something shallow, like this shallow cynical thing that I'm really good at.

我特别擅长讽刺、挑剔、玩世不恭，可你却在提醒我，重新用真诚和乐观的眼光来看待这个文本。

I'm really good at being cynical and critical and ironic, and you are asking me to be sincere and optimistic about the text again.

我觉得，这正是我们在这档播客里要做的事。

And I think that that is what we are going to do in this podcast.

我们会问自己：如果认真对待这部作品，会怎么样？

We are gonna ask ourselves, what if we take this seriously?

如果我们真心热爱某样东西，并且带着严谨和承诺去爱它，它会带给我们怎样的馈赠？

What gifts is it gonna give us if we love something and we love it with rigor and we love it with commitment?

那你为什么对做这档《哈利·波特与神圣文本》的播客感到兴奋？

So why are you excited to do a Harry Potter and the Sacred Text podcast?

把《哈利·波特》当作神圣文本来对待，根本不是我原本的打算。

Treating Harry Potter as a sacred text was not something I was planning on doing.

我进神学院，完全出乎所有人意料。

I was in divinity school against all expectations.

我从小在没有宗教背景的家庭长大，从来没想过自己会坐在《圣经》研读课上，学习如何理解这部古老文本。

I grew up in a non religious household and never thought I'd be sitting in a bible study class learning how to understand this ancient text.

那确实挺有意思，但总觉得跟自己没什么关系。

And it was interesting, but it never felt like it was mine.

我其实并不喜欢它。

I I didn't love it.

后来我刚好和家人一起去度假。

And I happened to go on vacation with my family.

大概两三周后，整天和家人在一起，我就想逃开。

And, you know, after about two, three weeks of being just with my family, I wanted to escape.

于是我找本书来读，想找点能让我安心、让我想起安全感的地方的东西。

And so looked for something to read, something that would be comforting, something that would remind me of a place where I felt safe.

我就下载了《哈利·波特》，开始读起来。

So I downloaded Harry Potter and I started reading it.

它不仅让我感到安心、踏实，把我从当时的环境带进了我早已喜爱的幻想世界，而且书里探讨的主题和问题都特别深刻。

And not only did it make me feel comfortable and safe and took me out of the situation I was in and into an imaginary world which I loved already, but the themes and the questions that were in these books were so big.

和我之前读的《圣经》里那些问题一样大。

They were just as big as the bible questions that I'd just been reading.

爱、恐惧、死亡，甚至复活——这些在圣经课上出现的主题，也在《哈利·波特》里一一浮现。

You know, the the same questions of love and fear and death and even resurrection that were showing up in the bible class were showing up in the Harry Potter text.

但不同的是，哈利·波特这些书让我觉得是属于我的。

And the difference was that the Harry Potter books felt like they were mine.

我能真正把它们当成自己的东西，这在我读《圣经》时从来都没过的感觉，因为这些书是我从小看到大的。

I could claim them in a way that I never feel like I could claim the bible Cause this was a text I had grown up with.

它们是我小时候就慢慢爱上的一套书。

It's a text that I had grown to love as as a child.

所以对我来说，把哈利·波特当圣典来看，并不觉得奇怪。

So for me, treating Harry Potter as a sacred text is isn't that strange.

其实我早就已经在悄悄这么做了。

It's something I think I had already done in a small way.

但现在，我们要认真地这么干。

But now we're going to do it for real.

没错。

Totally.

自从我们开始跟人聊这个话题，好多人都跟我们说，每次我分手了，就想重读一遍哈利·波特。

Since we've been talking to people about this, so many people have told us stories of every time I go through a breakup, I wanna reread the Harry Potter books.

我妈妈去世的时候，我读了《哈利·波特》系列。

When my mom died, I read the Harry Potter books.

对吧？

Right?

其实很多人都已经在这么做了。

People are already doing this.

他们都有自己特别喜欢的段落，或者特定的几本书会反复翻。

And they've got specific passages, or they've got specific books that they'll read.

你知道的，霍格沃茨永远都在那里，是个随时可以回去的安全之地。

And, you know, Hogwarts will always be there as a place to return to, as a safe place.

没错。

Yes.

我觉得把一本书当作神圣文本来对待，其实是在给自己一种许可——

The thing that I love about treating a text as if it was sacred is that we're giving ourselves the permission Right.

通过反复阅读，真正地从书里看到自己，这真的很让人振奋。

Through rigorous practice to really see ourselves through the text, which is a really exciting thing.

对吧？

Right?

你可以把它当作一种指引。

You can use it as instructive.

没错。

Right.

说起来容易，但真要实践起来，得下功夫，得专注，得有毅力。

It's easy to say that, but the practice of doing it takes work, and it takes concentration and discipline.

当然了。

Oh, absolutely.

有个故事对我意义特别重大，讲的是二战前法国一个小镇的事。

So there's this story that has become really meaningful to me, and it's about this town in France right before World War two.

那是法国天主教国家里的一个胡格诺派小镇，一个新教徒聚居的地方。

This was a Huguenot town in a Catholic country, a Protestant town in a Catholic country.

几百年来，他们作为新教群体一直受到压迫。

And so they, for hundreds of years, had been oppressed as a Protestant community.

因为长期受压迫，他们把这种经历转化成了一种强烈的信念，大致可以说就是极致的待客之道。

And because of the suppression, they had turned that into a real strong commitment to this idea that roughly translates into radical hospitality.

所以有意思的是，二战来了，维希法国的犹太人听说：有个小镇的人，历来因为信仰被压迫。

And so what's great about this is that World War two comes along and French Jews, you know, in Vichy France are like, oh, there's this town that is used to being oppressed for their religion.

这不就是我正在经历的吗？

That sounds like what I'm going through.

于是，法国犹太人开始一个个去敲这些人家的门。

So French Jews start, like, knocking on these doors.

而这个小镇，正因为长期践行这种极致待客的信念，早就养成了一个习惯。

And this town, just because it was practiced in the commitment to radical hospitality, they had something that they always did.

对吧？

Right?

他们总是敞开家门，收留逃难的人。

They opened their doors to refugees.

他们用善意和慷慨去帮助，最终救下了数百名犹太人。

And they did it with compassion and generosity, and they ended up saving hundreds of Jews.

打开家门接纳难民，我并不是想把话题扯到我们当下的政治环境，但我真的觉得，只要你认真对待自己珍视的理念——就像他们认真对待‘激进的善意’这个想法，并且全心投入，你根本想不到它会带来怎样的回报。

And, you know, opening doors to refugees, I I'm not trying to get political with our current circumstance, but I just think that by taking something that you love seriously, and they took their idea of radical hospitality, an idea that they love seriously and were committed to it, you have no idea what gifts it's gonna give you.

我们通常谈论的都是那些能在职场上派上用场的技能。

And we usually talk about this in terms of skill sets that you can then apply in the job market.

关于韦恩·格雷茨基、迈克·乔丹这些运动员的故事很多，他们小时候对运动极度投入，后来就成了顶尖选手。

And there are great stories about Wayne Gretzky and Mike Gaza and, you know, athletes who were so committed to their sport as kids and then became amazing athletes.

但我们很少谈到，去实践那些对我们真正重要的价值观。

But we don't talk about this a lot in terms of practicing just values that matter a lot to us.

好像一个人只要‘有爱心’就是天经地义的事，仿佛爱心是与生俱来的状态。

It's like, oh, that person is loving, as if it's some sort of natural state to be loving.

我觉得，如果你想成为一个有爱心的人，就得认真想想：有爱心到底意味着什么？

I think that if you wanna be a loving person, you have to think about what does being loving look like?

具体该怎么做？

How do I do that?

你得去练习。

And you have to practice it.

你正在打磨工具箱里的一件工具，却不知道将来会怎么用它。

You're sharpening a tool in your toolbox, and you have no idea how you're gonna be able to wield it.

我觉得对很多人来说，《哈利·波特》就像一把钝了的工具，但我们要让大家看到，只要你真心热爱某样东西，并认真对待它，你就能把它磨得锋利。

But I think that Harry Potter is sort of a blunt tool in a lot of people's toolbox, and we're gonna show people that if you love something and treat it with rigor, you can be sharpening that tool.

而且这不一定要是《哈利·波特》。

And it doesn't have to just be Harry Potter.

对吧？

Right?

如果你喜欢棒球，就去全心投入。

If you love baseball, love it.

经常有人联系我，问他们该不该去读神学院。

People often reach out to me wondering if they should go to Divinity School.

神学院对我来说确实是一段改变人生、极其珍贵的经历。

And Divinity School is obviously a life changing and amazing experience for me.

你要离开职场三年，通常还得为了读神学院搬家。

And it's three years that you are out of work place, you often have to relocate for Divinity School.

即使你运气好能拿到资助，这依然是一笔不小的开销。

Even if you're lucky enough to get funding, it's an expensive proposition.

我们开了一门课，叫《什么才算重要》，我们常把它称作我们的‘神学院’。

We offer a class called What Matters that we like to say is our version of Divinity School.

当然，你上完这门课拿不到神学硕士学位，但它只有一年，全程在线，内容深入自我探索，训练高级文学分析能力，还教你如何讲好一个故事。

Now, obviously, you don't graduate with a Masters of Divinity, but it is only one year, it's entirely virtual, and the class offers rigorous self exploration, practices the skill of high level literary analysis, and then teaches you the nuts and bolts of how to convey a story.

这是一门每年开设、持续九个月的课程。

It's a nine month class that we offer every year.

今年是我们开设这门课的第五年。

This is our fifth year offering the class.

它是我们所有项目中评价最高的之一。

It is one of the highest rated things that we do.

很多人上完一遍又回来重修，因为觉得它特别鼓舞人心，发人深省，也触动灵魂。

People come back and do this class again and again because they find it so life affirming and thought provoking and spiritually provoking.

你会和一小群人一起完成这门课，深入参与那些有深度的对话。

You'll be moving through the course with an intimate cohort, moving through deep conversations.

很多人在这门课里结下了终生的友谊，互相拜访，还参加了彼此的婚礼。

People have made lifelong friends in this class, visited each other, attended each other's weddings.

我真的特别自豪，我们设计出了这样的课程，还能把它提供给你们。

It's really something that I'm just so proud that we have designed and are able to offer to you.

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Find out more by going to notsorryworks.com.

如果有任何关于奖学金或资金的问题，随时联系我们，期待今年秋天见到你。

Reach out if you have any questions about the scholarships or funding, and we hope to see you this fall.

所以，Casper，每周我们会围绕一个主题来阅读。

So Casper, every week, are going to read through a theme.

我们会聚焦于某个特定的主题。

We're gonna be looking for a certain theme.

我们为什么要这么做呢？

Why are we gonna do that?

因为解读文本的方式有很多，我觉得不妨戴上一副眼镜，比如试着从‘失去’、‘依恋’或者‘自私’这些主题的角度来读这一章。

Well, there's so many different ways that you can look at a text, and I think it's helpful to kind of put on some glasses and think, okay, let's read this chapter through the theme of loss, or through the theme of attachment, or selfishness.

这样一看，文本的意义就打开了很多新的视角，我们还能自由地定义这些主题。

You know, it opens up a whole new set of windows on the meaning of the text, and we get to be creative with what those themes are.

我很喜欢你讲的那个法国小镇的故事，他们对待客之道的那份坚持。

So I love the story that you told about this town in France and the commitment that they had to hospitality.

我觉得读这一章——《活着的男孩》——从‘坚持’这个主题入手会很有意思。

So I think it'll be fun to read this chapter, this opening chapter, The Boy Who Lived, through the theme of commitment.

我们能从人物身上看出，他们究竟在坚持什么？

What do we learn about the characters that they're committed to?

所以这周的主题就是‘坚持’。

So that's this week's theme, commitment.

在深入这个主题之前，我们先简单回顾一下第一章的内容。

Before we explore that theme, let's just remind people what happens in the first chapter.

每周我们都会做个三十秒的简要回顾。

Every week, we're just gonna do a thirty second recap.

我们俩都来试试。

We'll both have a go.

有兴趣的话，大家可以投票选出谁的总结更出色。

And for anyone who wants to, you get to vote who does a better job.

不用说，我的表现肯定能赢得你们的票。

Obviously, I will be winning your vote.

那肯定是我的表现更棒。

It will definitely be me.

你居然觉得自己会赢，还挺可爱的。

That's cute that you think it's gonna be you, though.

范妮莎，你先来吧。

Vanessa, why don't you start?

开始吧。

Go.

有一户姓德思礼的人家，特别在意自己看起来有多普通。

There's a family called the Jerseys, and they're obsessed with being normal.

他们有个两岁的儿子叫达力，达力的行为就跟普通两岁孩子一样。

They have two year old son named Dudley, and Dudley acts like a two year old.

德思礼先生去上班。

Mister Dursley goes to work.

他在钻孔机车间工作。

He works in drills.

他整天听到各种怪事，但只想装作没听见。

He hears all these weird things going on, but he just wants to ignore it all day.

他听到一个让他特别在意的名字——哈利·波特。

One of the things that he hears that perks his ears is the, name Harry Potter.

他回到家，发现门口有只奇怪的猫。

He comes home, and there's this weird cat.

那只猫行为古怪，接着居然变了个女人，然后又来了个男人。

And the cat's behaving strangely, and then the cat turns into a woman, and then this man shows up.

另一个男人骑着会飞的摩托车出现，怀里还抱着个婴儿。

And this other man shows up with on a flying motorcycle, and he has a baby.

我刚才说的那个男人把婴儿放在德思礼家门廊的摇篮里，留了一张纸条，上面还写着作业。

And so the first man that I talked about drops off the baby in a bassinet on the doorstep of the Dursleys with a note, and there's homework.

差一点就成了。

Oh, so close.

我喜欢你说他做钻头工作，这说法真有意思。

I love that you say he works in drills.

对啊，真有人干这行。

Like like, that's a thing.

哦，我就是做钻头的。

Oh, I work in drills.

行吧。

Alright.

算我一个。

Count me in.

预备——

On your mark, get set.

开始。

Go.

有一户姓德思礼的夫妇，带着个小婴儿，最近发生了一些怪事。

There's a family called the Dursleys, young couple, small baby, and weird things are happening.

但他们特别在意显得正常，所以对这些怪事很反感。

But but they're obsessed with being normal, so they don't like the weird things happening.

父亲弗农在钻探行业工作，见过不少稀奇古怪的事。

Vernon, who's the dad, works in the drilling business and sees all sorts of strange things happening.

他挺喜欢这份工作的。

He likes drilling.

明白了。

Okay.

墙上有一只猫，有人送来了婴儿，孩子有魔法，那个邪恶的人死了，大家都松了口气。

Cat on the wall, man delivering baby, baby magical, bad magical person died, so everyone happy.

猫头鹰。

Owls.

有猫头鹰，还有流星，婴儿额头上有一道伤疤。

There's owls and shooting stars, and the baby has a scar.

他叫哈利·波特。

And he's called Harry Potter.

才三十多秒吧。

That was, like, thirty two seconds.

不过还挺不错的。

That was pretty good, though.

这算是初学者的水平了。

Oh, it's beginner's effort.

是的。

Yeah.

卡斯珀，就像我们之前说的，每周我们会讨论一个不同的主题。

So, Casper, as we discussed, we're gonna talk about a different theme every week.

这周我们要聊的是承诺。

And this week, we're gonna talk about commitment.

我不确定你怎么样，但我重读这一章的时候，发现到处都是关于承诺的内容。

And I don't know about you, but in reading this chapter, rereading this chapter, I found commitment all over the place.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得这特别有意思，因为我们已经了解了很多关键角色，以及对他们来说什么才是重要的。

I think it's really interesting because it we we already learned so much about some of the key characters and what's important to

对他们来说。

them.

没错。

Right.

所以它确实会以意想不到的方式显现出来。

So it does show up in unexpected ways.

这是我第三次读这本书了，这次我是带着对承诺这个主题的视角去读的。

So this is the third time I'm reading the book, and I'm reading it with this lens towards commitment.

这也是我第一次读的时候，居然很难再去讨厌德思礼一家了。

And this was the first time I read it that I had a really hard time hating the Dursleys.

对。

Yeah.

我只是觉得他们对很多事情都很执着。

I I just see them as very committed to a lot of things.

所以我们知道，他们追求的是平凡生活。

So we're told that they're committed to normalcy.

尤其是我们小时候第一次读这本书时，都会本能地觉得这种追求很糟糕。

And we're all predisposed, especially when you read this as a kid for the first time, to think that that's a bad thing.

没错。

Right.

但为什么这就那么不可接受呢？

But why is that so terrible?

从理论上说，文明经过几千年的演化，才形成了这样的社会模式，而他们只是想融入其中。

Theoretically, you're saying that civilization has been discerned over thousands of years, and this is the mold to which society has decided is best, and I'm gonna try to fit in with that.

我想，平凡总比当食死徒强吧。

I guess normal is better than being a death eater.

我宁愿相信自己追求的是比平凡更高的理想，但我也觉得，单纯追求平凡本身并没有什么错。

I I would like to think that I'm committed to a higher ideal than normalcy, but I don't think that there's anything inherently wrong with people who are committed to that ideal.

但某种程度上，他们确实如此。

But in some ways, they are.

我是说，后面章节里，他听说了这些奇怪的消息，想起了妻子的妹妹，于是特别小心地跟佩妮提起这件事。

I mean, later in the chapter when, you know, he's been hearing about all this kind of strange news, which reminds him of this sister of his wife, He's very careful about how he broaches the subject with with Petunia.

对吧？

Right?

我觉得他其实很爱她，你看他问佩妮：‘亲爱的，你最近没收到你妹妹的消息吧？’

I think he's really committed to loving her actually because he asked, Petunia, dear, you haven't heard from your sister lately, have you?

他根本没提哈利·波特的名字。

He doesn't mention the name Harry Potter.

他特别谨慎。

He he's very careful.

他不想触碰让她伤心的事。

He's very he doesn't wanna bring up something that's painful for her.

他一心只想保护她，不让她受伤害。

He's committed to to protecting her from things that are painful.

他看起来真的很在乎她，也在乎这个家。

He seems to be very committed to her and to the family.

我只是觉得

I just

还有一起过普通的日子。

And a normal life together.

而且他特别努力工作。

And to working hard.

他真的非常勤奋。

And he's so committed to working hard.

书里明确提到，他办公室里，背对着窗户。

In the book, it says very specifically that his back is toward the window in his office.

这样就不会被外面的事情分心。

So that he doesn't get distracted by

外面的事容易让人分心。

things get distracted.

我工作的时候总是故意面对窗户，这样更容易分心。

I would very intentionally I always face the window when I work so that I get distracted.

我觉得这正说明他对待工作非常认真。

I think that that shows a commitment to working hard.

当然，他确实会冲人吼叫，这不好，我也知道。

And sure, he, like, yells at people, and that's a bad thing and whatever.

但说真的，我不太确定。

But I don't know.

我觉得他非常在乎自己的工作。

I think that he cares a lot about his work.

那又怎么样呢？

And what?

他们就喜欢八卦。

They like gossip.

我们不也都看真人秀吗？

We all watch reality TV.

我发现自己能理解他们。

I found myself relating to them.

不过得说一句，第八九页那里有句话，说他们不认同这种胡思乱想。

I will say though, there's like on page eight or nine, there's that line about imagination, they didn't hold with such nonsense.

我当时就想，哦，这样啊。

And I was like, okay.

也许你们对这种‘正常’的执着有点过头了。

Maybe you guys are committed a little bit too much to this normal thing.

现在我们读到‘承诺’这部分，我觉得特别有意思，因为到处都能看到它的影子。

What I think is so interesting, now that we're reading through commitment, I see it everywhere.

罗琳其实是通过‘承诺’来让我们认识这些人，这一点我以前从来没想过。

It's like Rowling is introducing us to these people through commitment, which I'd never thought of before.

从一开始，我们就看到海格对照顾小生物的那份执着。

But from the very beginning, we see Hagrid as committed to caring for small creatures.

海格明明才刚理论上认识这个婴儿，却已经为哈利哭得不行了。

Hagrid has just, I think, theoretically met this baby, and yet he's weeping over Harry.

而且他把哈利放在麻瓜家门口时，居然哭得那么伤心。

And the fact that he's dropping him off on this muggle doorstep, I mean, like, weeping.

他不是把哈利扔去送死，而是因为心疼这个小生命而深受触动，这种情感在他身上一再出现。

He's not dropping Harry off to the slaughter, and he's so moved by caring for this tiny creature, and we see it over and over again with him.

他总是照顾那些被边缘化的人，这其实很自然，因为他自己就是个局外人，整套书里都一直如此。

Well, he's always looking out for the outsider, which, of course, makes sense because he was an outsider and and remains, you know, throughout the books.

说来有趣，这么一个大块头，却总透着一股母性的温柔。

And there's something that ironically, for such a big man, there's something very maternal about Hagrid always.

他总是守护那些被抛弃的生物，或者说一切被边缘化的小生命——就像哈利后来走向边缘，而他早已决定要照顾哈利。

He's always looking after creatures or or or living things really that are rejected or on the margins in a way that, you know, Harry is going to the margins, and he's already committed to looking after Harry.

当然，这本书后面我们会看到，是赫格沃斯重新把哈利迎回了魔法世界。

And of course, later in this book, we'll we'll see Hagrid rewelcome Harry into the Wizarding World.

他身上这种保护性的特质，真的很温暖。

So there's this lovely protective element that he offers.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得在七本书的过程中，我们其实可以追踪海格的这份执着，因为正是这种执着让他做出了一些很糟糕的决定。

And I think that over the course of the seven books, maybe we can track Hagrid's commitment because we see that motivates some really bad decisions too.

没错。

Absolutely.

真的是重大失误。

Like, really big mistakes.

你其他所有重要的事都顾不上了。

You lose sight of all other priorities.

他想照顾那只小龙，结果就把一个可能引发灾难的大秘密给泄露了。

He wants to take care of this baby dragon, so he reveals a big secret that could have catastrophic impacts.

或者他让哈利、赫敏和罗恩去为一只蜘蛛哀悼，明明那是个很荒唐的请求。

Or he starts asking Harry, Hermione, and Ron to make really bad decisions to, like, mourn a spider.

海格这个人，简直就是过度投入的典型，这点特别能引起我的共鸣。

So Hagrid Hagrid seems to be an argument of being overcommitted to something, and that resonates with me.

我也想对某件事全心投入，但不至于到了连气氛都看不出来的地步。

I wanna be committed to something, but not so much so that I'm not reading the room.

我觉得海格身上其实有个警示。

I feel like there's a warning in Hagrid.

我觉得我们也能清楚看到邓布利多的执着。

I think we also really see Dumbledore's commitment.

麦格教授在整个系列里一直对海格的可信度心存疑虑，而你刚刚正好解释了原因。

You know, McGonagall is suspicious of Hagrid throughout the novels of of his trustworthiness, and you've just explained why.

邓布利多对斯内普该不该信任，也一直看得非常清楚。

Dumbledore is always so clear on who to trust with Snape as well.

所以我觉得，邓布利多传递给我们的是这样一种信念：始终相信人性中最好的一面，这在整套书里都能看到。

And so I think Dumbledore is is offering us, the idea of being committed to the best in people, and that's something we see him exhibit all across the novels.

而这种信任，从一开始就体现在他对海格的信赖上。

And and that's already at play here in being so trustworthy of Hagrid.

我很想看看，像海格这样，会不会也让邓布利多做出一些错误的决定。

I'm gonna be interested to to see if like Hagrid, that also leads him to make some bad decisions.

我还没完全理清，但邓布利多这种总要看到别人最好的一面的执着，会不会在某些时候危及到别人的生命？

I can't quite work it out, but is Dumbledore's commitment to always seeing the best in people something that risks people's lives at certain points?

我觉得可能是这样，不过确实值得留意一下。

And I think maybe it is, but it'll be interesting to pay attention to.

这些问题的答案都是肯定的。

Questions to which the answer is yes.

从主题的角度来读，真的挺有意思的。

This is a fun thing when you read it through a theme.

你真的能感受到。

Like, you really do.

到处都能看出来。

You can see it everywhere.

太厉害了。

Wow.

真该有人做个播客。

This is someone should do a podcast.

确实该有人做个播客。

Someone should do a podcast.

很多人会联系我，问他们要不要去读神学院。

People often reach out to me wondering if they should go to Divinity School.

神学院对我来说确实是一段改变人生、非常棒的经历。

And Divinity School was obviously a life changing and amazing experience for me.

那意味着你要离开职场三年。

And it's three years that you are out of workplace.

读神学院通常还得搬家。

You often have to relocate for Divinity School.

即使你运气好能拿到资助，花销依然不小。

Even if you're lucky enough to get funding, it's an expensive proposition.

我们开了一门课，叫《什么才算重要》，我们常说这是我们的‘神学院版’。

We offer a class called What Matters that we like to say is our version of Divinity School.

当然，你上完这门课拿不到神学硕士学位，但它只有一年，全程在线，内容深度剖析自我，训练高级文学分析能力，还教你如何讲好一个故事。

Now, obviously, you don't graduate with a Masters of Divinity, but it is only one year, it's entirely virtual, and the class offers rigorous self exploration, practices the skill of high level literary analysis, and then teaches you the nuts and bolts of how to convey a story.

这门课我们每年开一次，持续九个月。

It's a nine month class that we offer every year.

这是我们开设这门课的第五年。

This is our fifth year offering the class.

这是最受欢迎的课程之一。

It is one of the highest rated things that we do.

很多人回来反复参加，因为觉得它特别鼓舞人心、发人深省，也触动灵魂。

People come back and do this class again and again because they find it so life affirming and thought provoking and spiritually provoking.

你会和一小群人一起完成课程，深入探讨各种话题。

You'll be moving through the course with an intimate cohort, moving through deep conversations.

不少人在这门课里结下了终身友谊，互相拜访，还参加了彼此的婚礼。

People have made lifelong friends in this class, visited each other, attended each other's weddings.

我真的很自豪，我们设计出了这样的课程，并能把它提供给大家。

It's really something that I'm just so proud that we have designed and are able to offer to you.

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Find out more by going to notsorryworks.com.

如果对奖学金或资助有任何疑问，欢迎随时联系，期待今年秋天见到你。

Reach out if you have any questions about the scholarships or funding, and we hope to see you this fall.

每周我们都会用一种不同的传统神圣实践来与《哈利·波特》互动。

Each week, we're gonna use a different traditional sacred practice to engage with Harry Potter.

这周我们要用的是‘神圣阅读’，这是源自拉丁语的一种传统基督教实践，字面意思就是‘神圣的阅读’。

And this week, we're gonna do Lectio Divina, a traditional Christian practice that literally means sacred reading in Latin.

我们对‘神圣阅读’做了一些调整，让它更适合我们的用途。

So we have sort of put our own tweak on Lectio Divina in order to use it for our own devices.

这原本是一种传统的基督教实践。

This is a traditional Christian practice.

它可能和你所在教会查经班的做法不太一样，但这就是我们今天要采用的方式。

This might not be exactly the way that people do it in your local bible study, but this is how we're gonna do it.

方法是，你随意翻阅经文，手指停在哪一个词或哪一句话上，就围绕它从四个层次去体会。

Now the idea is that you flip through the sacred text, and wherever your finger lands on the page, you engage that word or phrase at four different levels of reading.

我们这周选的这段引文，正好在第一章的中间位置。

The quote we found this week is right in the middle of chapter one.

邓布利多平静地说：‘你太抬举我了。’

You flatter me, said Dumbledore calmly.

伏地魔拥有的能力，我永远不可能拥有。

Voldemort had powers I will never have.

那么，我们首先从哪个层面来理解这句话呢？

So what's the first level at which we're gonna engage this phrase?

第一步，就是看故事本身。

The first step is just narrative.

对吧？

Right?

我们就盯着这句话，想想它在情节层面上到底发生了什么。

So we just look at the quote and think through all of the things that are happening on a literal narrative level.

卡斯珀，‘你太抬举我了，’邓布利多说。

So, Casper, you flatter me, said Dumbledore Conley.

伏地魔拥有的能力，我永远不可能拥有。

Voldemort had powers I will never have.

他是在跟麦格教授说话。

He's talking to McGonagall.

没错。

That's right.

所以麦格告诉邓布利多，他跟别人不一样，他是伏地魔唯一真正害怕的人。

So McGonagall tells Dumbledore that he's different, that he, you know, he's he's the only one that Voldemort's ever been afraid of.

邓布利多却很坚决地回应，说你这话说得我都不好意思了，这点挺有意思。

And Dumbledore really pushes back and says, first of all, you flatter me, which is interesting.

我们可以琢磨一下他这话背后的含义。

We can think about what he means there.

他是真的因为被夸成最强巫师而感到受宠若惊，还是只是借这话婉拒，意思是‘别这么说’？

Is it you know, is he genuinely flattered by her thinking he's the most powerful wizard, or is he kind of using that to hold her off and say no?

我想不到哪个场合里‘奉承’这个词是不含深意的。

I can't think of a time that the word flatter isn't loaded.

‘夸奖’可以是字面意思。

Compliment can be literal.

对吧？

Right?

哦，这真是个不错的夸奖。

Oh, that's such a nice compliment.

但你什么时候听过‘奉承’这个词呢？

But when do you ever hear flatter?

总是带着点讽刺，比如‘奉承者’，或者‘你太抬举我了’。

Not a little ironically, like flatterer or oh, you flatter me.

就像

Like

对。

Right.

这词带点贬义。

It's negative.

对吧？

Right?

而且它跟骄傲这类罪过已经很接近了。

And it's coming close to, I know, some of the deadly sins or something of of pride.

对。

Right.

这可不是什么好话，因为这意味着话不真实。

It's it's not a nice thing because it means it's not true.

我觉得这点其实挺重要的。

I think that's important, actually.

他说‘你过奖了’，其实是在说：这根本不是真的。

He's saying you flatter me because he's saying, actually, it's not true.

伏地魔拥有的能力，我永远都不可能有。

Voldemort had powers I will never have.

明白了。

Okay.

所以我们现在完成第一步，就是原文中实际发生了什么。

So we're finishing up with step one, which is just the literal what happened in the text.

灵阅的第二步是看寓意。

The second step of Lectio Divina is looking at allegory.

文本里隐藏了哪些隐喻？

What metaphors are hidden in the text?

文中用的词有哪些象征意义？

What symbols can we find in the words that are used?

你觉得呢，瓦妮莎？

What strikes you, Vanessa?

有没有什么象征或寓意让你特别有感触？

Any symbols or allegorical ideas that strike you?

我特别喜欢邓布利多说伏地魔拥有我永远不会有的一些能力，因为字面上看，他可能想说伏地魔是个比我更厉害的巫师。

What I love about Dumbledore saying Voldemort has powers I will never have, because I think literally what he could mean is that Voldemort is a more talented wizard than I am.

对吧？

Right?

但我觉得，从隐喻或象征的角度来看，他真正想表达的是，伏地魔掌握了我永远不会去选择的力量。

But I think maybe metaphorically, allegorically, he's saying is that Voldemort has harnessed powers that I will never choose to have.

伏地魔走的那条路，我永远不会去走。

That Voldemort went down a road that I will never go down.

所以我其实特别喜欢‘will’这个词。

And so I think I actually, I also really love the word will.

他是在用未来时态主动塑造自己，同时也通过自己的选择逐渐消解了自己。

He is willing himself in this future tense way and and also in a he's fading himself through his decision.

我永远不会走上那条路。

I will never go down that path.

我觉得在我们的生活中，也是如此。

And I think that that is true in our lives as well.

我完全可以逼自己成为很多种不同的样子。

I could will myself to be a lot of different things.

我完全可以逼自己成为一名马拉松跑者。

I could will myself to be a marathon runner.

但我想要的，是那种样子的自己。

But I and I want to be a version of that.

我想成为一个跑步的人，想成为一个健康的人。

I wanna be a runner, and I wanna be a healthy person.

但我并不愿意花那么多精力去当一名马拉松跑者。

But I'm not willing to put the energy in to being a marathon runner.

那听起来太痛苦了，而且要花掉大量时间。

That sounds painful and like a huge time commitment.

所以这种力量，我永远都不会拥有。

So that is a power I will never have.

这本身没什么对错之分。

And there's no judgment in that.

也不用去评判这种力量是好还是坏。

There's no saying that is a good power to have or a bad power to have.

我觉得这其中有一种美，那就是明确我真正想要追求的是什么。

And I think that there's something beautiful in that and saying these are the powers I'm going after.

我追求的是健康，是花时间读书、和朋友相处。

I'm going after being healthy, and I'm going after spending time reading and time with friends.

我不追求去跑马拉松。

I'm not going after marathon running.

是的

Yeah.

邓布利多内心最大的挣扎来自于权力。

Dumbledore's core struggle is with power.

他选择不当魔法部长，很大程度上是因为害怕自己会如何滥用权力。

The fact he chooses not to become minister of magic is so much to do with his fear of how he would use his own power.

我总是特别留意《哈利·波特》里的人名，因为名字里藏着很多有意思的深意，比如伏地魔这个称号，就是汤姆·里德尔自己选的。

I'm always thinking about names in the Potter series because there's so much interesting stuff that's hidden within names, and Voldemort is a really important title, right, that Tom Riddle chooses for himself.

而且‘伏地魔’在法语里跟‘死亡’有关，至于‘vole’这个词，我一时想不起确切的法语原词了。

And more, obviously, in French is death, and the idea of Voldemort is kind of vole is I can never quite remember the French word.

抱歉，各位。

Forgive me, folks.

但这个名字似乎有种逃避、躲开的意思。

But there's something about moving or running away from.

所以，正如我们所知，他极度恐惧死亡。

So, you you know, as we know, he's terrified of death.

这正是里德尔最害怕的事。

That is that is Riddle's biggest fear.

所以，就连他为自己选的这个黑巫师名字，也隐含着一种象征性的逃避死亡的意味。

And so even in the name that he chooses of this dark wizard name, there is this kind of running away from death symbolically there.

这句话让我特别有感触。

So that strikes me in this phrase.

神圣阅读的第三步，是反思。

The third step of lectio divina is the idea of reflection.

这段文字今天对你的人生有什么启示？我们又该如何从中理解‘承诺’这个主题？

How does this text speak to you in your life today, and how can we read it towards our theme of commitment?

‘奉承’这个词特别吸引我，因为我发现自己挺擅长奉承人的。

The word flatter really jumps out at me because I think I'm I'm quite good at flattering people.

我现在才意识到，当我以为自己在讨好别人、在夸人的时候，如果只是奉承，那其实都是空洞的赞美，因为并不真诚。

And and I'm realizing now that when I think I'm being nice or I'm I think I'm complimenting someone, it's actually an empty compliment if it's flattery because it's not true.

别人一听就知道这话不真。

And people know it's not true when they hear it.