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韩国有个很有名的说唱歌手叫Loopy，他有个节目。

There's a famous rapper in Korea named Loopy, and he has this show.

有人发了这段视频给我，但我真不记得他在这段里讲的是啥活动了。

And someone sent me this clip, and I don't even remember the event that he describes in this clip.

不过根据Loopy自己说，他当说唱歌手之前，是在Coffee Bean打工的。

But Loopy according to Loopy, he was before he became a rapper, he worked at Coffee Bean.

那时候我早就已经是个有名气的艺人了。

This was a time when I was already established as an artist.

所以他还在Coffee Bean上班，结果我突然就进去了。

And so he was working at Coffee Bean, and then suddenly, walks in.

我突然推门进去了，你懂吧？

Suddenly, I walk in.

对吧？

Right?

他当时就惊了，天哪！

So he's like, oh my god.

那是Tablo，因为他本来就是个粉丝。

It's it's Tablo because he he was a fan.

然后他就说：哦！

And he's like, oh.

所以我走过去后，Lupia就问Tablo：您想喝点什么？

So I walked up apparently, and Lupia asked Tablo, what would you like?

我当时就说：这儿最没人点的是什么？

And apparently, I said, what is the most unpopular thing here?

就是那种特别冷门、或者特别难喝的东西之类的。

Or what is the most, like, you know, disgusting thing here or something like that.

我大概说了这么一句，结果他们就给我拿了那个。

I said something along those lines, and I got that.

因为他当时说：这个是最没人要的。

Because he he was like, this this is the most unpopular one.

我就说：行，就这个了。

And I was like, I'll get that.

他讲这个故事，是为了说明一个道理：你得做出出人意料的选择。

And he told this story to describe his first moment of realizing that you need to make unexpected choices.

得敢做那些不讨好的决定。

You need to make unpopular decisions.

对吧？

Right?

这样才能让人记住你，脱颖而出。

And how that makes you memorable and stand out.

我那时候可能根本没想那么多。

I probably didn't even intend that.

对吧？

Right?

我真的完全不记得自己干过这事儿了。

But and I don't I seriously do not remember even doing this.

好几次我队友、Epik High的成员都跟我提起过。

It's been pointed out to me multiple times by my bandmates, my Epik High members.

如果你们看过我们的YouTube节目《Epikaze》，就会经常看到这种情况。

If you guys watch our YouTube show, Epikaze, you'll see it all the time.

每次点餐，Mithra或者Toukas都会说：‘Tablo，你得挑菜单上最奇怪的那个。’

Whenever we're ordering something, Mithra or Toukas will will say, oh, Tablo, you have to now decide and choose the weirdest thing on the menu.

因为我老是这么干。

Because I all often do that.

这一切都始于那盆薄荷巧克力冰激凌。

And it all started with this mint chocolate chip ice cream.

第一次冒险试了看起来最怪的冰激凌，结果超爱，从那以后，只要面对多个选择，我几乎总会挑最冷门、最出人意料、或者在我看来最离谱的那个。

After taking the risk of trying the weirdest looking ice cream and loving it, I think it became sort of a thing in my life where when I'm presented with different options or, like, different choices, I will quite often choose the most unpopular or unexpected or, in my eyes, the weirdest options.

这慢慢成了我的习惯，比如在学校要选一本书来读，我总会挑别人根本不会碰的那本。

And I think that sort of became a habit of mine where, for example, if I had to choose a book at school to do something about, I would quite often choose a book that no one else would choose.

就是那种名字怪怪的，或者莫名其妙让别人避而远之的书。

I would choose a book that just has a weird title or for some reason other people were turned off by.

我就是会选它。

I would choose that book.

就连我听的音乐、看的电影，我也会特意挑那些差评很多的片子看——我知道这听起来有点怪，但我就是忍不住。

Even my taste in music and film, I would sometimes go out of my way to watch movies that have bad reviews or that and I know this sounds weird, but I still do it.

我有时候会去Rotten Tomatoes上找评分最低的电影，然后硬着头皮看。

I will sometimes go to Rotten Tomatoes and search the lowest tomato scores and watch those movies.

我说不清楚该怎么解释才能显得自己没那么疯，但只要遇到岔路口，我就偏爱选那条风险更大的路。

Because I I I don't know how to put this in a way that makes me sound at least a little sane, but if there's a fork in the road, I like taking the one with more risk.

这可不是那种‘高风险高回报，兄弟’的简单逻辑。

And it's not just a simple, like, yo, high risk, high reward, bro.

我不是那种类型的兄弟。

I'm not one of those bros.

比如说，要是我和十个人一起走，大家都说左边那条路特别棒，你该走左边，我反而会问：‘有人走过右边吗？’

But I will take the like, if there's a fork in the road and I'm with 10 people, and the 10 people all tell me they've been down the left side, and it's great, so you should go, I will probably ask, has has anyone been down this side?

要是没人走过，那我肯定选右边。

And if everyone's like, no, then I'll go there.

走到底，说不定会撞上一头熊。

And at the end of that road, there might be a bear.

可能那条路尽头是个悬崖，但我还是想去，就是单纯好奇。

There might be, like, a cliff, but I will go down that road because I'm I'm just curious.

这甚至影响了我大学选的专业。

This affected the the major I chose in college.

我上的是个以工科和计算机为主的学校，可我偏偏选了英语文学。

I went to a college that was predominantly, you know, at the time for engineers and for computer scientists, and I I chose English lit.

我就想写诗、写短篇小说。

Like, I chose to write poetry and short stories.

我就是选了这条路。

I chose that.

因为我感觉身边没人干这事儿，我想试试。

I just felt like it was something that nobody was really doing around me, and I wanted to do that.

现在我做音乐时，写歌也常常做些别人不会做的决定。

Even now, when I'm making music, I'll quite often make decisions in the songwriting process that no one else will.

比如，我会把一些跟嘻哈完全不搭的风格混进去，但我就爱这么干，因为没人这么搞。

For example, I'll incorporate genres that may not really mesh well with hip hop, but I'll just do that because no one else is doing it.

我会冒这个险，就算知道歌可能搞砸、会扑街，但不亲自试一试，我永远不知道结果会怎样。

And I'll take that risk knowing that it could turn out bad and that the song could could flop, but then I I but I won't know until I do it.

我觉得这一切，其实都始于那勺薄荷巧克力冰激凌。

I think that all started with this mint chocolate chip ice cream thing.

从薄荷巧克力冰激凌跳到跟‘风险’交上朋友，听起来是有点扯，但我真觉得，正是这个习惯让我对意外、失控、出岔子都特别能扛——因为对我而言，这早就习以为常了。

I know it's a leap to go from mint chocolate chip ice cream to, like, becoming friends with Risk, but I honestly think that this habit of mine made me very resilient to unexpected outcomes, to things going off the rails or things going wrong, because it's the norm for me.

我的常态，就是不走寻常路。

My norm is for something to not be the norm.

所以我每天干的事，我团队都懂——咱们一起做这个播客、一起拍YouTube节目，凡能出错的，准出错。

So when I do things on a daily basis, and my my staff knows, When we create this this podcast together, when we create our YouTube show together, everything that can go wrong goes wrong.

对吧？

Right?

每期节目，都准有那么一两件大事儿崩了。

Every episode, there's something that goes severely wrong.

可真出了事，我反而不太慌。

And when it happens, I don't really panic too much.

我就想，哦，这事儿嘛，早料到了。

I just go, okay, well, that's that's sort of expected.

都到这地步了，要是啥都顺顺利利的，我们反而慌了。

It's to the point where if everything goes right, we start getting nervous.

对吧？

Right?

是啊，我团队都懂。

Yeah, my team knows.

我们所有人，一旦啥都顺了，就觉得不对劲，怎么这么顺利？

All of us, if everything goes right, we're like, you know, it's kind of weird that everything's going right.

等真出岔子了，我们反倒不慌，早就跟风险混熟了。

And then something goes wrong and we're ready for it because we have become friends with risk.

我觉得，敢于冒险，坦然接受生活给你的任何结果，这才是变坚强、变坚韧的必经之路。

And I think taking risks and being comfortable with whatever outcome life hands you is something necessary to to become resilient and to become strong.

我不是说去冒那种可能致命的险。

And I don't mean taking risks that may have fatal consequences.

绝对别这么干。

Do not ever do that.

别明知道有危险还往里闯。

Don't knowingly put yourself in danger.

但如果你敢走一条没人走过的路，当然可能遇到熊，但也可能遇到一只超可爱的萨摩耶。

But if you are able to take a fork in the road and take take the the road that's not been traveled, of course, there could be a bear there, but there could also be a very cute Samoyed dog.

对吧？

Right?

你甚至可能跟这只狗交上朋友。

And you could become friends with this dog.

我的意思是，你懂我的意思吧？

What I'm you know what I mean?

你得敢冒险，才能拓展自己的能力，应对意外，这才是变强大的关键。

You have to take risks to broaden your capability or your ability to handle the unexpected, and that is necessary for strength.

我想跟你说的第三个故事，是我主日学校老师说我会下地狱的事。

The third story I wanna tell you is a story about my Sunday school teacher telling me I'm gonna go to hell.

那时候我在韩国，家附近就有一间教堂。

This was this was when I was in Korea and there was a was a church very close to my house.

我其实是被逼着去的。

I sort of was forced to go.

明白吧？

Alright?

我跟你说过，我家人特别严格，也特别虔诚。

My my family's I told you, they're very strict, very very religious too.

所以每个星期天他们都逼我去教堂。

So they sent me to church every Sunday.

教堂做完礼拜，接着还得参加主日学，就是那种读圣经的小组活动，不去不行。

And after the church, you know, the sermons and everything, there would be, like, this Sunday school bible study thing where you just had to attend.

必须参加。

It was mandatory.

就我跟六七个男生一起。

It was me and maybe, like, maybe, like, six, seven other guys.

对吧？

Right?

就八个人。

Like, eight people.

我们其实也不是朋友，但有个人特别讨老师欢心，那老师是个中年妇女。

They weren't really friends, but one of one of the guys was sort of a teacher's pet, and the Sunday school teacher was, like a middle aged woman.

天哪。

And oh my god.

我刚意识到，她那时候的年纪，现在就是我这个岁数。

I'm just realizing that she may have been the same age I'm now.

那时候我看她就觉得，这老太太真老派。

Back then it was I I was just like looking at her like, look at that boomer.

我现在就是她。

I'm her.

现在的我，就是当年的她。

I'm her now.

天哪。

Oh my god.

好吧。

Okay.

总之，有个孩子特别受老师喜欢，但我觉得他根本不是故意讨好，就是老师不知为啥就是偏爱他。

Anyways, so one of the kids was a was a teacher's pet that I don't think he was trying to be a teacher's pet, but she really liked him for some reason.

她肯定不喜欢我，你马上就会知道为什么。

She definitely didn't like me, as you will see shortly.

有一节课讲的是预定论，她跟我们说圣经里有个概念，说人死后去天堂还是地狱早就注定了。

There was this one class about predestination, and she was teaching us about how in the Bible there's this concept of predestination where it's already decided where everyone's gonna go, like if you're gonna go to heaven or hell.

不管你怎么做，都改变不了命运。

And no matter what you do, you can't really change your course.

她就是这么讲的。

That's that's how she was teaching it.

我听着就觉得，这不对劲啊。

And as I was listening, was like, that doesn't seem right.

那我们啥也做不了，没法改变自己的命运？

So there's nothing, like, we can do to alter our course?

就算我们行善积德，也没法上天堂？

Like, if we do good things, like, we can't we can't go to heaven?

我觉得这事儿挺怪的。

I'm like, that's that's kinda weird.

我当时就在想，这不对劲。

And I was thinking that.

她偏偏要死命强调这个观点，还莫名其妙拿我们几个人当例子。

And she decided to, I guess, really hammer this point to us and decided for some odd reason to use us as examples.

她说：你们听好了，这个男生——就是那个学霸，他注定会上天堂。

And she was like, so what I'm telling you is that him, this guy right here, so the teacher's pet, she she was like, he's gonna go to heaven.

他以后去天堂，早就定好了。

He it's already been decided that he's gonna go to heaven.

而我呢，这个家伙，铁定下地狱。

And this guy, me, this guy is gonna go to hell.

我的韩文名字是……

My my Korean name is.

我名字太多了。

I have too many names.

我的韩文名字注定要下地狱。

My Korean name is gonna go to hell.

早就定好了，他要下地狱。

It's already been decided that he's gonna go to hell.

我当时就想：什么鬼？

Obviously, I was like, the fuck?

对吧？

Right?

啊？

What?

凭什么是我？

Why me?

对吧？

Right?

我立马就想，行吧。

Immediately, was like, okay.

这肯定是个例子。

This must be an example.

她就是想说，用我们当例子其实不太合适，但她只是拿我们打个比方而已。

She's just trying to you know, she's just it's a bad decision to use us as examples, but she's just saying it as, like, an example.

所以我问她，你是说当个例子？

So I was like, you mean as an example.

对吧？

Right?

她却说，不是。

And she's like, no.

我的意思是，你生来就要下地狱的。

I mean, you're predestined to go to hell.

我就跟她说：那我来这儿的意义到底是什么？

And I'm like, So I actually said back to her, then what's the point of me coming here?

我啥也做不了。

There's nothing I can do.

再见。

Bye.

我直接站起来就走了。

And I got up and left.

后来我回家，我爸妈一看我这么早就回来了，就问我：怎么这么快就回来了？

And there was this whole drama about this one because I went home and my parents were like, why are you back so early?

我就说：因为我马上就要下地狱了。

And I was like, because I'm apparently gonna go to hell.

这事闹得可大了，之后我就好长一段时间没去教堂了。

And there was a huge drama over it, so I didn't go to church for a while.

但后来实在没办法，只好又回去上教堂了。

And then eventually, I had to go again, so I went back to church.

谣言早就传开了，说我简直就是魔鬼。

Rumors had already spread that like that I'm the devil basically.

你听说了吗？

Did you hear?

我走的那阵子，人人都在问：你听说了吗？

So while I was away, everybody was like, did you hear?

所以我肯定要下地狱了。

So I'm gonna go to hell.

对吧？

Right?

因为这些都是孩子啊。

So because these are like kids.

对吧？

Right?

小孩可多了。

There's a lot of kids.

年轻人可真不少。

There's a lot of young people.

他们听了这事儿，就都信了，觉得没错。

And they they heard this story, so they're like, okay.

既然他要下地狱，那肯定是个恶魔啥的。

Then if he's gonna go to hell, he must be like a demon or something.

大家见了我都躲着走，早就在心里给我判了刑，觉得我不该在这儿。

So everybody was like side eyeing me and it was it was just it had already been kinda decided that I didn't really belong.

有意思的是，没过多久，那个老师眼里的好学生，听说是抽烟了，或者干了啥更糟的事儿。

The funny thing is shortly after that, the teacher's pet guy, I think it was like he got caught for smoking or something something bad.

具体咋回事我也不清楚，但反正是被逮住了，干了件特别严重的破事儿——毕竟这是教会嘛。

We I don't know the specifics, but he got caught for something apparently terrible, right, which could be a number of things considering it's a church.

对吧？

Right?

搞不好他就是闯了个红灯。

He could've just, like, jaywalked.

但有一阵子，他做了件特别糟的事，大家的态度一下子就翻了，开始管他叫‘魔鬼’、‘恶魔’，说他肯定要下地狱。

But at at one point, he so he had done something really bad, and the tides had turned where everybody was now calling him, quote, unquote, like a devil or a a demon who's gonna go to hell.

对吧？

Right?

我当时真听得清清楚楚。

And I could hear it.

我跟你说这个，是因为这是我第一次意识到，大多数人根本不知道自己在瞎扯什么。

I'm telling you this story because I think this is the first time I realized that people generally don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

他们评判别人简直太差劲了，根本不该随便下结论。

Like, they are terrible judges of people and should not be judging people.

这转变也太快了，我当时就想，行吧。

That quick turnaround so I was like, okay.

所以刚才还说他注定上天堂，现在就不算了？

So he was predestined to go to heaven, now he's not?

哦，原来还能临时改道啊。

Oh, we can alter course.

所以我心想，行吧，那我应该不会下地狱了。

So I was like, okay, I'm not gonna go to hell then.

我要做个好人。

I'm gonna be a good person.

我觉得那真是我脑子里一个特别大的顿悟——别人怎么想我根本无所谓，那些凡人跟我也一样糊涂，根本不知道自己在瞎说什么。

I think that was, like, a big realization in my in my mind, that it really does not matter what other humans, other fallible humans think of me because they are just as clueless as I am, and they're they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

我很庆幸当时经历了这些，它真的改变了我处理高中校园八卦的方式。

And I'm glad I experienced that then because it really affected the way I dealt with high school drama.

高中时总有人背后说你坏话，每天都有新谣言，99%都是假的。

You know, in high school, you always have someone talking crap about you, and every day you go and it's someone with new rumors, and 99% of the time, it's not even true.

可一旦大家都传开了，你基本就完蛋了。

But once everyone's talking about it, it's pretty much over for you.

我高中那会儿也经常被这么议论，但我就是不在乎。

Of course, that happened to me a lot during high school as well, but I just simply didn't care.

我觉得我后来慢慢接受了这么个想法：被坏人讨厌，其实挺好的。

I think I adopted this I adopted this this notion of it's good to be hated by bad people.

如果一个人连自己都没资格评判你，却还凭这个来决定你的命运，那他根本就不是什么好人。

If someone is judging you to the point where they're deciding your fate when they are not qualified to do so, they aren't good people.

要是他不喜欢你？那再好不过了。

And if they don't like you, then that's great.

对吧？

Right?

反正我也用不着跟这种人做朋友，或者装熟。

Because I I I don't have to deal with being friends with this person or being, you know, acquainted with this person.

小时候被人说我要下地狱，可能真是我这辈子听过最好的话之一。

Being told that at at such a young age, being told that I'm gonna go to hell was maybe one of the best things that happened to me though.

因为那话说得太极端了，直接扯到我的灵魂上。

Because because it was so extreme where, like, it was about my soul.

对吧？

Right?

简直就是在侮辱我的灵魂。

Like, someone literally pissed my soul.

你懂的吧？

You know?

那时候这么极端的事发生在我这么小的时候，其实挺好的——我不是说‘好’，而是庆幸它那时候就发生了。

It was just the most extreme thing possible at such a young age really was good because I don't mean good, but, like, I'm glad it happened then.

因为从那以后，我得面对各种各样的事。

Because after that, I had to deal with so many different things.

比如在加拿大，我得应付那些种族歧视的言论。

Like, being in Canada, I had to deal with, you know, racist comments.

他们管我叫‘炒饭’。

I was called stir fry.

别笑啊。

Don't laugh.

我笑了。

I laughed.

我真的笑了。

I laughed.

我被叫了大概三四年‘炒饭’，因为班上没几个亚裔孩子。

I was called stir fry for about a good three, four years because I was one of the few Asian kids in class.

有个小子老这么叫我‘炒’，不是随便说说，他就是故意的。

This one kid kept calling me stir like, he he didn't just he didn't just, like, slide it in.

上课的时候他也喊。

It was during class.

他当着全班的面喊：‘炒饭！’

He's like, he stir fry.

从那以后，我就成了‘炒饭’。

And from that moment, I was stir fry.

所有人都这么叫我，简直快把我逼疯了。

Everybody was calling me stir fry, and I it drove me insane.

直到我一脚踹他裤裆里，这事儿才算了。

It only ended once I, you know, kicked him in the nuts.

我说我快疯了，但其实没真被他影响到，因为我想：兄弟，你侮辱的是我的灵魂。

But but I'm saying it drove me insane, but it didn't really, like, it it didn't have the effect that he probably intended because I was like, bro, my soul was dissed.

贬低我的种族，那简直是更往下掉。

Dissing my race is is a step down from there.

我觉得我能应付得了。

I think I can handle this.

后来到了高中，各种狗血剧情，别人编造谣言；上了大学，又碰上那个Tajin Yyo的事儿，闹得满城风雨，简直被放大到离谱。

And then later on in high school with, like, high school drama, people making shit up about you, going to college, and ultimately, the tajin yyo thing, the public thing, which was seriously just this blown up.

对吧？

Right?

那时候每个人都像突然变成了初中生。

Where it was it was seriously like everyone had turned into a middle schooler.

这不只是荒唐，简直了。

It was the most it wasn't just ridiculous.

真让人难过，所有人都一下子变成了初中或高中的八卦精。

It was just sad because everyone had suddenly become like a middle school or a high school gossiper.

当然，这对我有影响，因为它直接改变了我生活的现实。

And, of course, it affected me because it affected the reality of my life.

对吧？

Right?

它夺走了我的工作，伤害了我的家人，还造成了致命的后果。

It took away my job, it hurt my family, and it had fatal consequences.

当然这影响了我，但别人说的那些话，并没让我动摇。

So of course that affected me, but what people were saying didn't affect me.

知道那些评判我的人根本不懂人，反而让我更能扛住这一切。

The fact that terrible judges of other humans were judging me, it allowed me to withstand it better.

我那时候心里就想：现在几乎所有人都讨厌我，但也许正是因为大家都这么差，被他们讨厌反而还挺好。

And I think I really thought to myself, hey, I'm hated by pretty much everyone right now, but, I mean, it's possible that everyone is bad, So maybe it's good to be hated by someone that's bad.

我挺过来了。

And I got through it.

谢谢那位主日学老师，贬低我的灵魂。

So thank you to the Sunday school teacher for dissing my soul.

总之，这事儿我也不知道该怎么形容，但大概就是一种自信吧。

Anyways, this I I don't know if I can put a word to it, but it it would be like self assurance.

我是自己人生的最终评判者，没有什么命中注定的事是我靠自己的决定和行动改不了的。

I am the ultimate judge of who I am, and there is no predestined thing that I can't alter with my own decisions and actions.

对吧？

Right?

就算全世界都在背后骂你、讨厌你，说你是什么样的人，但只要你知道自己不是那样的，那就滚蛋吧——这真是我内心的想法。

And even if the entire world is talking shit about you and hating on you or saying that you're this type of person, If you're not, then fuck them, is really how I think.

我想分享的最后一个故事，可能是关于力量最重要的部分。

The last story I wanna share, I think this might be the most important thing for strength.

可能听起来有点出乎意料，但我先把这个故事讲完。

It might actually be kind of surprising, but let me tell the story first.

这是关于墨西哥可口可乐的故事。

It's the Mexico Coca Cola story.

在九年级和十年级之间的那个夏天，我爸妈把我送到了墨西哥。

When I was in so the summer between ninth and tenth grade, I was sent to Mexico by my parents.

那是个专门收那些特别爱惹麻烦的孩子的夏令营。

It was a camp for some of the kids that were getting into trouble a lot.

那是个夏令营，我猜是给那些特别调皮的孩子准备的，因为跟我一起去的三个韩国孩子全都是捣蛋鬼。

It's like a it was like a it summer camp for I'm assuming it was for kids that were getting into trouble a lot because the three people I went with from Korea were troublemakers.

简短说吧，我们一到那儿，我就觉得这地方八成是个邪教。

To make a long story short, we got there and I realized it was probably a cult.

我以前讲过这个故事，但一直没细说。

Because I've told this story before, but I haven't I haven't really gone into details.

那地方叫墨西哥的圣西蒙。

But it was this place called San Simon in Mexico.

那是个特别特别穷的地方。

It was it was a very, very poverty stricken area.

我们一到，先被带到一个特别诡异的营地，一看就是邪教风格的。

And we get there, and first we were in this, like, this this weird, like, just the cult looking camp.

我实在想不出别的词来形容了。

It's the only way I can describe it.

一到那儿，他们就给我们剃了光头。

And immediately, they shaved our heads.

什么？

What?

对啊。

Yeah.

我们所有人头上都剃了。

All of our heads.

因为据说，要是留长发，他们会觉得咱们是恶魔。

Because, apparently, like, if you have long hair, they'll perceive us as the devil.

反正吧，我童年挺怪的，我就直说了。

Anyways, this this I had a weird childhood, let me just say.

总之我们到了那儿，有个牧师模样的人，轮流让我们爬梯子，进到一个像单独监禁的小隔间里。

Anyways, we get there, and and there was this, like, pastor figure, and we would have to take turns going up a ladder into this into this solitary confinement kind of area.

那其实就是个木头盒子，黑得伸手不见五指，得在里面跪着祷告十二个小时什么的。

It was like a basically a wooden box and completely dark, and we would have to go in there and pray for, like, twelve hours and stuff.

好多孩子从那儿出来后都像疯了一样。

And kids would, like, come out of there kinda crazy.

总之，那地方简直疯了。

Anyways, it was insane.

不过呢，我得说说这个故事里最棒的部分。

But let me get to the the beautiful part of this story.

一切都太离谱了。

Everything was insane.

头两周的夏令营，我记得我们的任务是从山上挖掉那些小仙人掌。

So week one of week one and two of this camp, I as I remember, we our task was to dig small cactuses, cacti, out of this mountain.

对吧？

Right?

就是把所有杂草和仙人掌全清光。

Like, completely get rid of all weeds and cacti.

没错吧？

Is it right?

仙人掌？

Cacti?

‘Cacti’这么讲对吧？

Is cacti right?

对。

Yeah.

复数形式是cacti。

Cact plural.

cacti。

Cacti.

cacti。

Cacti.

是的。

Yeah.

我没错吧。

I'm right.

哦，原来cactuses这么用也是可以的。

Oh, apparently, cactuses is okay too.

总之，那儿有个山丘一样的地方，上面长满了仙人掌，我们得把它们全挖掉，因为要在那里建一座教堂，或者说是我们要在那里建教堂。

Anyways, there was a there was this, like, hill mountain kind of thing with a bunch of cactuses all over it, and we had to dig them all out because they were gonna build a church on top of it, or we were gonna build a church on top of it.

所以头几周我们干的都是重体力活。

So we did, like, hard labor for the first couple weeks.

后来到了营地的后半段——姑且叫它营地吧——我和一个叫查尔斯的家伙被分到了一对本地家庭。

And then eventually towards the second half of this camp, quote, unquote camp, we got paired with families that were, like, local families, me and this guy named Charles.

我到现在还记着这些名字，因为那真是一段糟透了的经历。

I still remember these names because it was such a fucked up experience.

总之，我们被安排住进了一户务农的家庭，得跟他们一起生活很长一段时间。

Anyways, we got paired with this one family, this one, like, farming family farmer family, and we we had to stay with them and live with them for quite a long time.

我们还得帮他们干活。

And we would have to help them with work.

我们到那儿的时候，

We got we got there.

首先，房子连个屋顶都没有。

First of all, there was no roof.

屋顶就盖了层薄薄的毯子。

It was like a thin blanket over the house as a roof.

我和查尔斯睡一张上下铺，有一次他被蝎子蜇了，直接被送去医院了。

And Charles and I shared a bunk, and this one time, a scorpion stung him, so he got, like, carried away to the to whatever hospital.

那条件真是差到极点。

It was that kind of condition.

对吧？

Right?

那整个地方简直就跟沙漠一样。

And the whole area was almost like a desert.

每天那家人出去干活，我们就跟他们混在一起，要么在地里帮忙，要么在家做做家务啥的。

Every day, the family would go out to work, and we would hang out with them, sometimes at work, sometimes at the home, just help with, you know, household chores and stuff.

每顿饭就只有玉米饼和豆子。

And every meal was just tortilla and beans.

偶尔才能吃到一片辣椒。

Very rarely, you would get, like, a jalapeno.

对吧？

Right?

那顿晚饭大概就吃这个。

And that that would be, like, for dinner maybe.

每天都是这顿饭。

But it was always the same meal.

不过还挺好的。

It was great, though.

我特别喜欢那里的饭菜，也特别喜欢那家人。

I I I really like the food, and I really like the family.

他爸有点像我爸爸，只是他是墨西哥人。

The dad was sort of like my dad, but Mexican.

他好像不太喜欢我。

He kinda didn't like me.

我觉得他就是对我有点看不顺眼。

I think he was just disapproving of me, kind of.

总之，条件是真不咋地，但我们慢慢就适应了。

Anyways, it was the conditions were were weren't good, but we learned to adapt.

年轻人嘛，适应得可快了。

You know, young people adapt quick.

那时候，我们已经熬过了营地的前半段，对吃苦早就习惯了。

And by then, we had already experienced the first half of this camp, and we were used to hardship.

他们剃了我们的头，还让我们关禁闭，搞什么集体反省，一堆事儿。

They had shaved our heads, made us, like, sit in solidarity confinement and all of this stuff.

所以能跟一家人待在一起，真挺暖心的。

So it was just nice being with a family.

那种感觉，有点像在家一样。

It was it was like being home in a way.

你要是出门，会发现所有房子都紧挨着，连在一起。

And if you leave the house, like, all the houses are, like, stuck together.

但一走出去，就是一条特别长的土路，再往前就只有一家店，勉强算个超市吧。

But if you go out, there's this really long dirt Road, and then there's only one store, like, one supermarket kinda thing.

但那根本算不上超市。

But it's not even a supermarket.

那儿就卖些最基础的东西。

It's they have very basic items there.

有时候我和查尔斯出去，就看到一些孩子在踢足球什么的。

Sometimes me and Charles, we would go out and some of the kids would be playing soccer or something.

我们去店里，发现有可乐，对我们来说，那简直像在沙漠里找到了水。

And we would go to the store, and the store would have Coca Cola, which was for us, it was like finding water in a desert.

对吧？

Right?

因为我们离家太久了。

Because we had been away from home for so long.

看到一个熟悉的牌子，就像在沙漠里走了四十天后终于看见水一样。

It was just seeing a familiar brand was, like, you know, seeing water after traveling in the desert for, like, forty days.

但我们发现，可乐摆在那儿，却没人买。

But we noticed that the Coca Cola was there, but it was, like, untouched.

他们那儿有两升装的可乐，包装都还是新的，但根本没人买。

They had the two liter bottles, like, still packaged, but it was untouched, meaning no one could buy them.

对吧？

Right?

根本没人碰那可乐。

No one was buying them.

店里也卖别的东西，比如玉米饼啥的，人都买那些，可就是不买可乐。

They sold other stuff there too, like the tortillas and stuff, and people would buy those, but they wouldn't buy the Coca Cola.

跟这家人待了好久，中间发生了一堆破事。

After staying with this family for a long time and a lot bunch of shit happened.

说真的，这事儿简直离谱。

Like, I can't even this is crazy.

总之，一堆事接二连三地发生，最后我们待在那儿的那晚，是最后一晚了，之后我们就回原来的营地，再过一阵子就能回家了。

Anyways, a bunch of bunch of stuff happened, and then last night of our stay with them, and this was gonna be our last stay there, and then we will go back to the original camp and then eventually be allowed to go home.

对吧？

Right?

那天晚上，他们端出了玉米饼和豆子，然后那个儿子——他们有个特别小的儿子——拿了一瓶两升的可乐出来。

And last night there, what was crazy is they brought out the tortilla and beans, and then the son there, they had a really young son, he brought a two liter bottle of Coca Cola.

我们当时就懵了：这是啥情况？

And we were like, what's this?

怎么突然给我们可乐了？

Why are we getting Coca all of a sudden?

对吧？

Right?

他们给我们倒了可乐，算是送我们的离别礼物。

And they poured us the Coca Cola, and that was their farewell gift to us.

他们就是想好好招待我们一下，把儿子的可乐拿出来给我们喝。

Like, they wanted to, like, kind of treat us by, you know, giving us his Coca Cola.

一开始我真有点懵，

At first, I was, like, confused.

心想：他们平时也喝可乐吗？

I was like, do they maybe sometimes drink Coke?

对吧？

Right?

他们平时是不是自己喝可乐，就是不给我们喝？

Have they been or have they been drinking Coca Cola but just not giving us any?

我一开始真有点懵。

I was kinda confused at first.

但后来他们告诉我，这是特意送我们的礼物，那一刻的可乐，简直是我这辈子喝过最棒的。

But once it was explained to me that, you know, this was our this was their, like, treat for us, It it was seriously, like, the best Coke I've ever had in my whole life.

真的让我特别感动。

And it it made me extremely grateful.

就算有人请我吃牛排，也比不上这瓶可乐给我的感觉。

Like, someone could give me a steak and I it wouldn't mean anything more than that cup of Coke.

你懂我意思吧？

Do you know what I mean?

因为我知道，这对他们来说是挺大的开销——我天天看他们干活，根本没人买可乐，可他们还是特意给我们买了。

Because I understood that this was a big spend for them because I had seen them working every day, and I knew that they weren't no one was buying the Coke, but they got it for us.

对吧？

Right?

所以我明白他们有多感激，这让我也特别感激他们。

So I knew how grateful they were, and that also made me super grateful to them.

对吧？

Right?

我们还抱了抱，那天晚上其实也办了个挺棒的派对。

And we hugged and, like, we we had a actually had a pretty good party there too.

老爸还拿出了吉他，开始弹起来。

Like, the dad brought out a guitar, and he he started playing.

他边弹边唱。

He was singing.

那场面真是特别棒。

Like, it it was it was pretty awesome.

总之我想说的是，离开那户人家后，我们当然还得回原来的营地。

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is after leaving that home well, of course, we had to go back to the original camp.

营地结束后，我们得开车去洛杉矶，然后从洛杉矶飞回韩国。

And so after the camp ends, we had to drive to LA and then take a flight from LA to Korea.

对吧？

Right?

我跟那家人在一起的时候，那个管着这个类似邪教组织的牧师，翻了我们从韩国带来的行李。

While I was away with this family, the pastor who was in charge of this cult like thing had gone through our bags, our our original bags that we brought from Korea.

他大概在我包里发现了四百美金。

I guess he discovered about $400 in my in my bag.

我带那四百美金是因为那时候根本没法在亚马逊买书。

And I had those $400 because at the time, you couldn't order books from Amazon.

想买SAT复习资料，只能去美国买好了带回去。

So if you wanted to get SAT books, you had to buy them in The States and take them.

这样更划算。

That was the cheaper way.

对吧？

Right?

所以我爸往我包里塞了四百美金，让我到洛杉矶买书，再上飞机。

So my dad had put $400 or something in my bag for me to buy books in LA before I get on the plane.

反正他发现了这笔钱，我想。

Anyways, he discovered this money, I guess.

他把我叫进一个怪异的房间。

He calls me in to this weird room.

这明摆着就是个邪教嘛。

I I mean, it definitely was a cult.

你懂的吧？

Okay?

他坐在那房间里那副样子，我一进去，他就说：‘你是不是想买毒品？’

The way he was sitting in that room, I go in there, and he's like, you're trying to buy drugs.

我赶紧说：‘先生，我才九年级，马上升十年级呢。',

And I'm like, sir, I'm in the ninth grade going to tenth grade.

我连您在说什么都不知道。

I I don't even know what you're talking about.

那些都是SAT的书。

Those are for SAT books.

他居然真以为我想买毒品带回国。

And he was, like, convinced that I was gonna buy try to buy drugs to take back to Korea.

简直疯了。

It was insane.

不过，撇开这事不说，我最后还是回了韩国。

But, anyways, that aside, eventually, I got back to Korea.

从那以后，每当我喝可乐，根本没法不想到那个晚上。

And let me just say from that experience after that, anytime I have a Coke, it's impossible for me not to remember that night.

那个孩子端出可乐时的表情，他想给我们惊喜的样子，还有我喝下去那一刻的感觉——这些我一辈子都忘不掉。

Like, the look on the kid's face when he brought it out, the way he wanted to surprise us with this big gift, just the feeling I had when when when when I drank it, like, it's impossible for me not to remember it.

所以每次看到可乐，我都会在心里说声谢谢。

So every time I see a Coke, I I sort of say thank you.

你懂我的意思吧？

Does that make sense?

直到现在，我依然觉得特别感恩。

Even now, I still somehow feel grateful about it.

我想说的是，做个坚强的人真的特别重要。

And what I'm trying to say is I think it's really important to be a strong person.

学会轻易地心存感激，也特别重要。

I think it's really important to feel grateful easily.

我这么说是因为，我猜你们大多数人平时的生活里，其实拥有好多了不起的东西，可我们往往都习以为常了。

And the reason I say that is quite often in what I'm assuming most of you listening, the way we live, we have some fantastic things, and we usually take them for granted.

我们口袋里装着的，可是超级计算机。

We have supercomputers in our hands.

你好好想想这句话。

Let that sink in.

我们手里的，真的是超级计算机。

We have literal supercomputers.

你们现在用来看这个播客的手机，里面的芯片性能，早就远远超过当年把人类送上月球的那台计算机了。

The phones that we all have, the phone that you're using right now to listen to this podcast, has a far more advanced chip than the chip that got us to the moon.

但我们根本不会去想这个。

But we don't really think of it.

对吧？

Right?

我们真的从没细想过。

We don't really think about it.

这跟我们变得坚强有什么关系呢？如果你在追求目标的过程中，从不心存感激，那你就根本提不起劲儿继续下去。

And what what how this relates to our ability to be strong is if you don't have, like, moments of gratitude on the way to achieving something, you just will not be encouraged to do it.

如果你把标准定得太高，非得等到大功告成才能感到感恩，那很可能你根本走不到终点。

If you set your bar so high that you need to get to the end of whatever you're achieving to feel grateful, there's a high chance you will you won't even get there.

因为这就像一场马拉松。

Because it's like a it's like a marathon.

对吧？

Right?

人生就是一场马拉松，你一直在跑。

Life is a marathon and you're running.

偶尔吧，你还是希望有人在为你加油。

Every once in a while, you you still wanna see somebody cheering for you.

偶尔吧，你就是想有人递你一瓶水，让你喝一口歇一歇。

Every once in a while, you want somebody handing you a bottle of water so you can just take one sip.

如果你一直黑灯瞎火地跑，觉得非得冲到终点才能感恩，那你就一直在推迟自己的感恩能力，这样想跑到终点就难上加难了。

If you're just running completely in the dark because you have decided that you have to get to the end of the race to feel to you're delaying your, you know, ability to be grateful, then it's that much harder to get there.

那次喝可乐的经历，真的让我变得特别容易感恩，对好多小事都心存感激。

I I think that experience with the with the Coke kind of helped me be grateful like, easily grateful for a lot of things.

就连在事业上，我对自己的里程碑也特别宽容。

And even in my career, I am really lenient with my milestones.

你懂吧，有些人非得年底拿个大奖，才觉得值了？

You know how some people, like, have to win, like, a huge award at the end of the year to feel satisfied?

我们Epik High团队，设定的里程碑特别傻。

Epik High, my team, we set, like, really dumb milestones.

比如我们刚开YouTube频道的时候，我心想：要是能有两万播放量，我们就成功了。

Like, our milestones are if if anyone saw a list of our milestones, like, what we consider milestones, when we started our YouTube channel, for example, I was like, if we can hit twenty twenty thousand views, we made it.

然后我们就真的达到了两万播放量。

And then we hit 20,000 views.

你可能会想，我是不是该把目标提高到五万了？

You would think, like, I would move it up to 50,000.

对吧？

Right?

我就想着，下一个目标是三万，然后四万、五万。

I was like, next is 30,000, and then 40,000, 50,000.

我们庆祝每一个小成就，我也珍惜每一个这样的时刻。

Like, we celebrate all those moments, and I'm grateful for all those moments.

对吧？

Right?

我特别容易满足，特别容易心怀感激。

I'm I'm very easy to easy to make grateful.

我觉得这种心态，对保持力量真的特别重要。

And I think that's that's really necessary for strength.

就像我之前说的那些故事，当你经历特别艰难的事，不得不从一无所有重新爬起来，把失去的一切一点点找回来，这过程真的特别漫长。

Because like I was saying with the other stories, like, when you experience something extremely difficult and you have to get back up, and you have to go from losing everything to regaining some of it back, it takes a hell of a long time.

你得每天早上醒来，明明不知道能不能熬到头，却还是硬着头皮一天天撑下去。

And it requires you to wake up every single day not knowing you will get there, but just going day by day.

如果你不在每一个瞬间都学会感恩，真的一点点都感受不到希望，那你第二天根本不想睁眼——因为你觉得这事儿根本不可能实现。

And if you're not allowing yourself to be grateful for that at each moment, at every moment, trust me, you will not wanna wake up the next day because you just don't feel that it's achievable.

所以你得训练自己，去感恩那些微小的事、琐碎的事，那些你以前压根不会放在心上的小事，这样你才能有耐心，慢慢走到终点。

So if you condition yourself and train yourself to feel grateful for tiny things, for little things, for things that you otherwise would have taken for granted, it will truly help you be patient enough to get there.

你明白我的意思吗？

Does that make sense?

你猜怎么着？

You know what's funny?

就是我跟你说过的那个墨西哥的故事。

It's this Mexico story that I told.

我第一次跟别人讲这个故事的时候，人家就说：‘哎，这听着有点像邪教。’

When I first told someone this story, was like, yeah, it's sort of a little cultish.

对吧？

Right?

第二次跟人讲的时候，我还说，可能真是个邪教。

And then the second time I I told someone, was like, may have been a cult.

但现在我觉得，那确实是个邪教。

But now I'm like, it was a cult.

我百分百确定那是个邪教。

I am 1000% sure it was a cult.

我爸妈知道吗？

Did my parents know?

我觉得他们应该是知道的。

I think they did.

当然了，我经历的事儿远不止选薄荷巧克力冰淇淋这种小事。

Anyways, of course, I I had many other experiences other than just, you know, choosing mint chocolate chip ice cream.

但我猜，我之所以讲这些故事，也正是因为女儿问我怎么变得坚强时，我偏偏记起了这些平平无奇的瞬间。

But I think the reason why I chose to tell these stories, and the reason why I remembered these moments when my daughter asked me how I became strong, is exactly because they're so mundane.

这些事都太普通了。

They're so ordinary.

如果我们非得靠不断经历惊天动地的大事、熬过重重苦难才能变强大，那我反而希望你别这样。

If we need if we as humans need fantastic things happening to us and big struggles happening to us constantly to become strong, I actually hope that you don't.

我真的希望你一辈子都不用变得坚强，因为有些事真的会把你压垮。

I actually hope that you don't ever need to become strong because some of these things will crush you.

我不希望你经历我曾经受过的那些大磨难。

I don't want you to go through some of the big things I went through.

但如果我们换个想法，记住哪怕只是选了薄荷巧克力味的冰淇淋，哪怕被人骂了句难听的话，哪怕你哥把你的送报钱全拿走了——

But if we change the way we think and we remember that even choosing mint chocolate chip ice cream, even being called a bad name, even having your brother take all your newspaper route money.

这些小事，其实也在一点一点地让你变强大。

Even these small things can make you strong little by little.

如果我们把日常的小事当大事来看，就不必非得等那个天大的打击来逼你变强了。

I think if we think of mundane things as big events, you don't have to wait for that big struggle that'll make you strong.

回头想想你生命里的那些时刻，关键是要能意识到：那些都是你学习、翻身、坚持、证明自己能行的机会，是你能变得坚强的时刻。

Think back to moments in your life, you just need to be able to recognize that those were opportunities for you to for you to learn and for you to come back from and for you to persevere and for you to know that you're you can do it, that it that you are able to be strong.

这么一想，我敢说明天、后天，肯定会有那么一件小事发生，这又是你锻炼韧性的机会。

With that in mind, I'm sure that tomorrow and the day after, something will happen, some little thing will happen, and it'll be a chance for you again to to to become resilient.

我这么说你能明白吗？

Am I making sense here?

是的。

Yeah.

别指望或者等着什么大事发生。

Don't don't expect or wait for big things to happen.

根本没必要。

They don't need to.

生活中那些微不足道的小瞬间，你可能根本没放在心上，但我觉得，这些全都是让我们意识到自己有多坚韧、多强大的机会。

Like, these tiny moments in your life, these things that you might just pass by without a thought, I think all of these are opportunities for us to realize how resilient and strong we can be.

希望我今天讲的这些故事能对你有帮助。

I hope these stories that I shared today help you.

我真的希望如此。

I really do.

但如果你还是需要人听你说说话，或者有什么想分享的，欢迎在视频下方留言。

But if you still need someone to hear you out or if you have something to share, you can comment on our video.

另外，如果你有其他想让我在《HEY TABLO》里聊的话题，也欢迎在YouTube评论区留言，或者随便在哪个Instagram视频底下说一声都行。

Also, if you have any other topics you want me to talk about on HEY TABLO, please leave a comment on our YouTube or you can, I don't know, just on any Instagram video or whatever?

我到处都能找到，不过别在我家Epikaze的视频底下留言啊——当然你也不是不能，但Mithra和Two Cuts，尤其是Two Cuts，他对我单干这事有点不自在，还吃醋。

You can find me everywhere, so just don't do it on our Epikaze videos though because I mean, you can, but Mithra and Two Cuts, especially Two Cuts, I think he's sort of insecure about me doing something on my own and, like, jealous.

所以，就留在这儿吧。

So keep it here.

就留在这条频道里。

Keep it on this channel.

谢谢大家。

Thank you.

下周见。

See you next week.

嘿，Tablo。

Hey, Tablo.