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我们今天刚发布了一个新功能，叫插件洞察。
We just launched something today, which is Plugins Insights.
它能让任何人访问你的网站，并使用他们已连接的插件，这样你在那个网站上只能看到自己的数据。
It will allow anyone to come to your site and use their connected plugins, and so you see only your data on that site.
当你把这个分享给团队时，
When you share this across the team, do
他们看到的网站数据会和你看到的不一样吗？
they get different data in their sites than you get?
他们看的是同一个网站，但会根据他们所属的团队看到不同的内容。
They'll be looking at the exact same site, but they're gonna see content based on what their team is.
而且你不用担心API密钥之类的东西。
And then you don't have to worry about, like, API keys and all this stuff.
它会自动帮你连接好。
You just get that magically connected.
所以如果你想在ChatGPT和Codex里构建东西，比如你需要Notion的API或者Slack的API。
So if you are looking to build something in ChatGPT and Codex and you're like, I need the Notion API or I need the Slack API.
我喜欢弄清楚这些所谓的魔法咒语到底是什么。
I like finding out what these, like, magic incantations are.
我的思维方式跟别人不太一样，有时候我就想要一个不一样的谷歌日历视图，不管是按天还是按周。
My brain works in different ways than other people, and I might just want, like, a different view of Google Calendar for the day or for the week.
比如我可能要去出差，就希望事情能按不同的方式整理。
I might be, like, going on a business trip, and I just want, like, things organized differently.
所以我会为那一周建一个网站，然后到周末就把它扔掉。
And so I'll build a site for that week, and then I'll throw it away at the end
对，周末就扔了。
of the week.
除了这些，你觉得在网站的基础设施方面，还有哪些用法是你觉得有意思的，但大多数人可能想不到的？
What are other ways you can use the sort of, like, infrastructure side of sites that you think is interesting that, like, most people wouldn't presume?
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Welcome to How AI today here at OpenAI DevDay.
今天和我一起的是Kath，Sites的产品负责人。
I'm here with Kath, product lead for Sites.
我之前给她看了我的一些Sites，我们在很多方面都很像，就像Sites双胞胎一样。
And I was showing her some of my Sites earlier, and we are Sites twins in a lot of ways.
所以我很期待Kath来给我们展示什么是Sites，以及她在工作中是怎么用的。
So I'm really excited for Kath to show us what sites are, how she uses them across work.
我们先从工作开始，然后会逐渐变得不那么实用，但更有趣。
We'll start with work, then we'll get to progressively less useful, more interesting.
听起来不错。
Sounds great.
好的。
Okay.
那我带你去看看一个没那么花哨的，嗯，
So I'm gonna take you to a less colorful Mhmm.
我建的一个Site。
Site, that I built.
好的。
Okay.
所以有好几件不同的事情。
So a couple different things.
Sites 显然很适合工作用途。
So Sites works obviously for work.
它同时也适用于很多特别好玩的事情。
It also, works for a whole bunch of, like, really fun things.
我们在 OpenAI 已经用了一年多一点点。
We've been using it at OpenAI, for a year, a little bit over a year.
我们两个月前正式推出，内部使用量简直爆炸式增长。
We launched it two months ago, and we internally have just kind of seen it explode.
实际上，今天主题演讲里你看到的那些幻灯片，全都是用 Sites 做的。
And we used it actually for all of the slides that you saw today that were on screen during the keynote.
那是一个 ChatGPT 的站点。
That was a ChatGPT site.
我们用它来做各种各样的事情。
We're using it for all different kinds of things.
我要给你看的是我们团队，也就是Sites团队，使用的突发事件指挥概览。
I'm gonna show you what you're seeing here is an incident command overview that my team, the Sites team uses.
我……
I...
顺便提一下，这是演示内容，所以不用太在意。
And I will just mention, this is demo content, so don't over index on it a bit.
我不得不稍微处理一下，因为这是突发事件的内容。
I kind of had to scrub it because it's incident content.
我们确实有一个类似的副本，但我重建了这个站点，以便向你展示它的功能。
So we do have kind of a replica of this, but I rebuilt the site so that I could show you kind of what it does.
关于这个，我们今天刚推出了一个东西，叫做插件洞察，就是Sam在主题演讲中提到的那个。
So what I did with this, we just launched something today, which is Plugins Insights, which Sam talked about at the keynote.
它的作用是，任何人都可以访问你的站点，并使用他们连接的插件，这样你在那个站点上只能看到你自己的数据。
And what that does is it will allow anyone to come to your site and use their connected plugins, and so you see only your data on that site.
这个功能适用于企业工作区。
And this is available for, for enterprise workspaces.
所以这个网站的情况是，你登录的时候，它会要求你批准你的连接。
So what happens is for this site, when you log in, it will actually ask you to approve your connections.
我已经把它连接到了Notion和Slack。
And so I have this hooked up to Notion and Slack.
然后它会进去……
And so it will go in...
它还连接到了我的日历。
And it's also hooked up to my calendar.
然后它会进去查看我所有的数据，然后要求我批准所有的连接器。
And so it will go in and look through all of my data and then ask me to approve all of my connectors.
它实际上会查看我是从哪个Slack频道来的，然后进行批准。
And it actually looks at which Slack channel I'm coming from and approving.
所以我批准我的站点私有、我的站点反馈、我所有的站点Slack频道。
And so I approve, my, sites private, my sites feedback, all of my sites Slack channels.
然后它会假设我在这个站点上……
And so it makes the assumption that I'm on the site...
在网站团队那边。
On the sites team.
然后它就会说，好的。
And so it says something like, okay.
你在网站团队。
You're on the Sites team.
我会给你展示所有的网站内容，然后它会列出网站名称……
I'm gonna show you all of the Sites content, and it names the site...
你知道的，网站事件指挥。
You know, Sites incident command.
然后它会整理出当时所有事件的时间线。
And, then what it does is it takes a timeline of all of the incidents that are happening at that time.
我之所以建这个，是因为我是产品经理，我花很多时间和团队在一起。
And the reason why I built this is because I'm a product manager, and I spend a lot of my time with the team.
但我也花很多时间在开会和到处跑，我实在没时间跟团队深入讨论事件，也不想那样做。
But I also spend a lot of my time in meetings and all over the place, and I don't have time to, like, really dig in with the team on on incidents nor do I want to.
我其实想待在幕后，不用去打扰他们，比如说，嘿。
I kinda wanna stay in the background and not have to, like, bug them and say, like, hey.
这个事件进展怎么样了？
What's going on with this incident?
我希望他们能自己解决，不用我插手。
I want them to solve it without me getting in their way.
所以这个工具让我能很酷地看到进展，跟着运行手册走，还能看到每分钟发生了什么。
And so this just gives me a really cool way of seeing what's going on, following along in the runbook, and seeing, like, what's happening down to the minute.
这样我就有了那个时间线。
And so it gives me that timeline.
我可以点进所有这些，看看，哦，好的。
I can click into all of these and see, like, okay.
现在是什么情况？
What is going on?
我能看到谁在处理这个。
I can see who is addressing this.
它还会把所有参与这个事件的人拉进来。
It also pulls in all of the people that...
就是团队里正在处理这个事件的人，同时也会把我们所有的工具都整合进来。
On the team that are working on this incident, and it also pulls in all of our tools.
所以我就让Notion去把我们的运行手册拉出来，看看我们是怎么应对的。
And so I had it from Notion go through and pull in, like, what are our runbooks, and how do we respond?
有哪些指南之类的。
What are the guides, etcetera?
所以如果我想的话，这个可以直接打开Notion里的运行手册和指南这些。
So this will actually open up the runbooks and guides and things in Notion if I want to.
这就是我们使用插件和网站的一种方式。
So that's just like one way that we're using plugins and sites.
其实有很多不同的用法。
There's a whole bunch of different ways.
我们通过这个来管理团队的休假日历，还有管理……
We manage, like, our team out of office calendar through this, and we, like, manage...
这个，我们管理一些有趣的东西，比如分享音乐和
This this one, we manage, like, fun stuff like, sharing music and
类似的事情。
stuff like that.
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所以我想在这里暂停一下，因为我觉得很多人，尤其是当网站刚推出时，都会想：好吧。
So I I wanna pause for folks because I think a lot of people, especially when sites first came out, were like, okay.
太好了。
Great.
我有个地方可以放我的 vibe coding 项目了。
I have a place to, like, put my vibe coded thing.
而且很多时候，那个东西可能是个原型，或者是个静态资源，比如 HTML 的 PRD 或者幻灯片。
And a lot of times that thing is like a a prototype or it's a static asset, maybe like an HTML PRD or slides.
但我觉得你在这里展示的东西，我希望大家能好好吸收，并且感受到它能让你构建出什么样的力量，就是你可以把连接器作为数据源来继承。
But I think what you're showing us here, which I want people to absorb and, like, get the power of what it allows you to build, is you can inherit connectors as sources of data.
而且我猜，应该是实时更新的吧？对。
And I'm I'm presuming, like, updated real time Yep.
数据直接进入你的应用。
Data into your app.
所以如果你想在ChatGPT和Codex里构建点什么，然后你想着，我需要Notion的API，或者需要Slack的API，或者需要Snowflake的数据，你只需要说，比如……
So if you are looking to build something, you know, in ChatGPT and Codex, and you're like, I need the Notion API or I need the Slack API or I need Snowflake data, you can just say, like...
你会怎么说？
What do you say?
就是……
Do...
我挺喜欢听这些神奇的咒语是怎么说的，能让事情搞定。
Like, I I like finding out what these, like, magic incantations are to get the thing.
你是不是说了，比如……对。
Did you say, like Yeah.
在站点里用连接器？
Use the connector in the site?
比如，你觉得他们怎么
Like, what do you think they
能做到？
can happen?
这就是Sites和Codex的妙处，Sites真的很……
So this is the beauty of of Sites and Codex is that Sites is really...
我们建Sites的原因之一，就是想找个地方把软件放上去。
So one of the reasons why we built Sites is because we wanted a place to basically put software someplace.
它处理所有的部署工作。
And and so it it it handles all of the deploy.
它和Codex配合，能构建整个站点。
It works with Codex to build the entire site.
Codex的厉害之处在于，它真的能理解你的意图，明白你在说什么。
And so the wonderful thing about Codex is it really understands, like, the intent, what you're saying.
它会深入分析你的提示，开始拆解你到底是什么意思。
It digs in deep to your prompt and starts to dissect, like, what do you mean?
所以当你说，比如，帮我建一个网站，能处理导入Notion文档，并且和我的日历交叉对照，它会假设你想用连接器。
And so when you say, like, build me a website that can handle, like, bringing in Notion documents and cross reference that across my calendar, it will make the assumption that it wants to use connectors.
特别是如果你说，我是为团队协作而建的。
And especially if you say, like, I'm building this for my team to collaborate.
然后它可能会问你一个问题，比如，嘿。
And so then it might ask you a question like, hey.
你想在这里面用插件连接器吗？
Do you want to use plug in connectors in this?
或者它可能直接构建出来，然后带你过一遍它做了什么，并征求一些反馈。
Or it might just build it out and and then, you know, like, walk you through what it did and ask ask for some feedback.
或者你可以用……
Or you can use...
我的魔法词是，自带连接器。
My magic word is, like, bring your own connector.
比如说，你能用插件洞察来建这个网站吗？
Like, can you use plug ins insights to build this site?
就是这类事情。
That kind of thing.
然后当你分享这个的时候，为了确保我理解对了，当你分享给团队时，是不是会继承他们的连接器？
And then when you share this, just so I'm getting the mental model right, when you share this across the team, is that inheriting their connector off?
就是说，他们会不会看到不同的数据，在他们的
Like, do do they get different data in their
网站里，跟你看到的不一样？
sites than you get?
每个人看到的数据都不一样。
Everybody gets different data.
所以如果我把这个事件指挥系统分享给我网站团队的同事，他们可能会看到非常相似的内容。
So if I were to share this incident command with people on my site's team, they're probably gonna see very similar content.
如果我分享给OpenAI的其他团队，他们会看到内容。
If I share this with other teams at OpenAI, they will see content.
他们会参考这些内容。
They'll they'll be referencing.
他们看的是同一个网站，但看到的内容会根据他们所在的团队而有所不同。
They'll be looking at the exact same site, but they're gonna see content based on what their team is.
所以如果是 Codex 团队或者身份团队之类的，这个网站会根据他们的背景，拉取与他们个人相关的数据。
And so if it's like the Codex team or if it's the identity team or something, this site picks up where they're coming from, pulls in that data that's specific to them personally.
我们发现这对数据团队特别有用，比如他们接入自己的数据仓库，或者对财务团队也很有用。
And we see this being really useful for, like, for for data teams who are plugging into, their data warehouse, for example, or for finance teams.
那些在不同角色和职责下处理敏感数据的人，真的很喜欢这个工具，因为你……
People with sensitive data across different roles and responsibilities really like this tool because you're...
访问网站的人，它……
The people who are visiting the site, it...
这就是你访问的范围……
That's the scope that you're visiting...
你带着这些数据来。
That you're bringing that data with.
那你就不用担心API密钥之类的东西了。
Then you don't have to worry about, like, API keys and all this stuff.
你只需要让它自动连接上就行。
You just you just get that magically connected.
你最喜欢用哪些连接器来反复构建东西？
What are your favorite connectors that you go to over and over to build stuff with?
你知道吗，我……
You know, I...
我其实很简单的。
I'm so easy.
我会直接去网站所在的地方……
I go to where the site is...
或者团队协作的地方。
Or where the team is collaborating.
我经常用Slack。
I go to Slack a lot.
我经常用Notion、Google Drive和Google日历。
I go to Notion a lot, Google Drive, Google Calendar.
还有一些其他的，那里……
There are some others that, there...
我觉得我们大概有60个左右，在……
I think there are about 60 or so that we have in the...
在……
In...
现在工具里能用的，而且我们一直在增加新的。
Working right now in the tool, and we're adding more all the time.
有一些在我的愿望清单上，会让事情变得更强大，我们正在……
There are some, like, on my wish list that will make things much more powerful that we're,
你知道，研究和改进中。
you know, looking into and improving.
那你是不是也在大量构建这些自定义的……
And are you building a lot of these custom...
比如说，它们是不是像一些小型的微应用，还是说
Like, are they, like, little micro apps, or
你是在用它们来替代某些工具的使用方式？
are you, like, replacing how you use some of these?
两者都有。
Both.
好的。
Okay.
两者都有。
Both.
而且我和越多的人交流，就越发现这其实是一个……
And the more people I talk to, it's it's a...
这真的是一个很广泛的情况。
It's it's all across the spectrum.
我们看到有些人，他们只是做一些小原型，是的。
We see people who are, like, building out just little prototypes Yes.
然后发布一些只为他们准备的小东西。
And shipping, like, small things just for them.
我们也看到有人在构建个性化的软件。
We also see people building personalized software.
所以这就是这种自带插件、自带连接器的美妙之处，你可以真正根据你的思维方式、你的团队工作方式来调整它。
So that's kind of the beauty with this sort of, like, bring your own plug in, bring your own connector thing is that you can really adapt it to how you think, how your team works.
你不必去适应一个非常死板的东西，而且Sites就是网页。
You don't have to snap to something that's really rigid, and Sites is the web.
你可以根据你的工作方式来调整它。
You can adjust it to however you work.
随着团队的发展，你可以不断更新它，就像你知道的，事情会变化，你会添加功能等等。
And as your team evolves, you can keep updating it as, you know, like, things change, as you add features and stuff like that.
所以我们确实看到有人用它来构建完整的内部工具，并且进行深入的开发。
So we do see people doing, like, full full internal tools with it and deep build outs.
它确实...
It does...
Sites确实自带D1数据。
Sites does come with d one data.
它有一个R2存储桶。
It has an r two bucket.
这些都是可以部署的。
It's it's all deployable.
你可以邀请共同编辑者。
You can have co editors on it.
所以它实际上有很多相当深入的功能。
So it actually has a lot of pretty deep functionality.
而且，是的，我觉得对我来说，能这样想真的很酷，比如，好吧。
And, yeah, I mean, I think it's just like, for me, it's cool to be able to think about, like, okay.
我的思维方式跟别人不一样，我可能只是想要一个不同的Google日历视图，无论是按天还是按周。
My brain works in different ways than other people, and I might just want, like, a different view of Google Calendar for the day or for the week.
我可能正在出差，我只是想把事情以不同的方式组织起来。
I might be, like, going on a on a business trip, and I just want, like, things organized differently.
所以我会为那一周建一个网站，然后周末就把它扔掉。
And so I'll build a site for that week, and then I'll throw it away at the end of the week.
这太棒了。
And it's wonderful.
我想快速聊聊把 Sites 当作基础设施来用，因为我们之前稍微提过这个。
I wanna talk really quickly about sites as infrastructure because we talked about this a little bit.
你刚才随口就列出了 Sites 的很多组件。
So you just, like, kinda prattled off very casually the number of components in sites.
对。
So Yeah.
所以你能建这些网站，但除了建网站，你觉得 Sites 的基础设施方面还有哪些有趣的用法，是大多数人想不到的？
So you can make these websites, but what are other ways you can use the sort of, like, infrastructure infrastructure side of sites that you think is interesting that, like, most people wouldn't presume?
Sites 最酷的地方在于……
The cool thing about sites is that...
好。
Okay.
所以我们把它建成了
So we built it to
能够把用 Codex 构建的软件放到某个地方。
be able to put software someplace that you that you build with Codex.
所以我们当时，就像，你知道的，让 Codex 建网站，它会建好然后放在本地。
And so, we were, we were, like, you know, asking Codex to build websites, and it would build things and put it locally.
然后你就得费劲去处理那些部署运维的事情。
And then you'd have to kind of, like, struggle through the DevOps of that.
所以我们想，好吧。
And so we were like, okay.
让我们来处理那部分，做那种最后一公里的工作，把东西从你的本地机器放到某个地方。
Let's handle, that part of it and do kind of, like, the last mile work of taking stuff from your local machine and putting it somewhere.
我们看到的实际情况是，人们用 sites 来，是的，建网站，但同时也用来建插件、托管数据、运行评估，因为它确实……
And what we saw was that people were using sites for, sites for, yes, building websites, but then also building plug ins and, hosting data and running evals because it does...
它非常强大。
It is very powerful.
所以我们今天宣布，你现在可以通过Sites来托管MCP插件，然后用这些插件来构建你的网站。
So we announced today that you can actually host MCP plugins through Sites and then use those for your sites.
这其实有点像我们正在Sites工作流中构建的一个良性循环，因为Sites既可以用来建网站，也可以作为基础设施来用。
So it's kind of like this like, virtuous cycle too that we're kind of, like, building into the workflow of sites itself because sites can be used to build a website and then also as infrastructure.
太好了。
Great.
好的。
Okay.
我们之前稍微聊了一下事件管理、基础设施和工作效率这些话题。
So we've proddled a little bit about, like, incident management and infrastructure and work productivity.
但让我们直接跳到我们俩都面临的问题吧。对。
But let's skip to the problem that you and I both have Yeah.
那就是我们的算法都被搞乱了，因为我们有孩子。
Which is our algos are messed up because we have kids.
所以如果你有一个干净漂亮的Spotify播放列表，或者一个干净漂亮的Hulu或Netflix队列，那恭喜你。
So if you have a beautiful pristine Spotify playlist, if you have a beautiful pristine Hulu or Netflix queue, good for you.
我们可没有那样。
We do not have that.
所以我想让你讲讲你的Spotify是怎么被家里其他人占领的。
And so I want you to walk through your Spotify being taken over by other people in your household.
完全同意。
Totally.
好的。
Okay.
所以我的Spotify已经被我的孩子们占领了。
So my my Spotify has been taken over by my children.
而且……
And...
我的意思是，有些是迈克尔·杰克逊的歌，那还挺好的，但大部分是《布鲁伊》和《芝麻街》。
I mean, some of it's Michael Jackson, which is quite great, but most of it's Bluey and Sesame Street.
所以我建了一个高频播放的网站，它……
So I built a heavy rotation, website that...
好的。
Okay.
所以这个工具的工作原理是，我希望它能适配手机端。
So the the way this thing works is I wanted it to be I wanted it to be mobile friendly.
所以我写了几份不同的MD文件，用来指导网站如何实现我想要的效果。
And so I have so I have a couple of different, MD files that I wrote up to instruct sites on how I wanted this thing to come about.
我希望它能适配手机端。
So I wanted to be mobile friendly.
我希望它用起来非常简单。
I wanted it to be very, very simple to use.
我还希望它能去查看Reddit上的热门播放列表，找出哪些音乐比较流行、大家在投票支持什么，因为我想发现新东西。
I also wanted it to, go and look at Reddit top playlists and find, like, what music is out there that is that is popular and what people are voting on because I wanted to discover new stuff.
比如，我对跟上音乐潮流非常不擅长。
Like, I am very, very bad at keeping up with music.
我的工作很忙。
I have a demanding job.
我是两个孩子的妈妈。
I'm a mother of two.
我是幼儿园班级的家长代表之一。
I'm one of the room parents for kindergarten.
我事情太多了，但我上班的时候很喜欢听音乐。
Like, I just have too much going on, but I love listening to music while I'm at work.
所以我让它去Reddit，用电脑操作看看大家在分享什么。
So I, so I have it go to Reddit and use computer use to look at what people are sharing.
然后我把那放进我们的自动化流程里。
And then I put that in our automation.
我让它每个星期一早上8点运行，然后它会帮我建一个播放列表。
I have it run every single Monday at 8AM, and then it builds a it builds a playlist for me.
那个播放列表……
And that playlist...
我给你看看它长什么样。
Let me show you what it looks like.
所以其实很简单。
So it's just very simple.
看起来就是这样。
So it just looks like this.
我看看能不能播放。
And let me see if it will play.
这个是在运行……
So this is running off of...
它也在从……获取内容。
It's also pulling in from...
所以播放器实际上是在运行Spotify。
So so the player is actually running Spotify.
我不知道你能不能听到。
And I don't know if you can actually hear it.
所以我不确定。
So I don't know.
这首歌我以前没听过，但这周能听到还挺酷的，因为它是昨天拉进来的。
I've never heard this song before, but it's a cool one that I get to listen to for the week because it it pulled in yesterday.
而且绝对不是蓝精灵。
And decidedly not bluey.
绝对不是蓝精灵。
Decidedly not Bluey.
我之前真没意识到Spotify还能当插件用。
And so I I didn't realize that Spotify was a plug in that you could use.
它可以查询曲库，然后拉进来在你想要的任何自定义界面上播放。
And so it can query the catalog and pull it in to play in whatever custom interface that you want.
是这样运作的吗？
Is that how it works?
嗯，我只是用……
Well, I'm just using...
这个的话，我就是把Spotify当作播放器来用。
For this, I'm just using Spotify, like, as the player.
其实呢……
It actually...
这个……
This one is...
是我为工作笔记本重新做的。
I rebuilt for my work laptop.
不过我家里的笔记本上也跑着这个，而且它其实……
But I have this running on my home laptop too, and it it actually...
为了运行那个……
In order to run the...
为了运行它，它需要用到电脑操作功能。
In order to run it, it uses computer use.
所以我得让笔记本开着，运行它，什么都得准备好，不过没关系，因为我工作的时候顺便就做了。
So I have to, like, have my laptop open and running it and everything, but that's fine because I do this while I'm working and stuff.
所以我是让Spotify作为播放器来播放音乐，是的，但它也可以引用我的Apple Music，把那些音乐拉进来，因为我本地机器上确实有很多音乐，所以它会去引用那些。
So I have it using Spotify for the actual player, pulling in the music, yes, but then it can also reference my Apple Music and pull that in because I do have a lot of music on my local machine, and so it'll reference that
如果它为你生成播放列表的话。
if it's makes the playlist for you.
每个星期一。
Every Monday.
每个星期一。
Every Monday.
那……
What about...
我是说，你觉得还有哪些面向消费者的连接器值得大家关注？
I mean, are there any other, like, consumer y connectors that you think people should pay attention to?
这是你最喜欢的那个吗？
Is this your favorite one?
我不确定。
I don't know.
我得看看列表。
I'd have to look at the list.
我会说是这个，我在想
I would say this one, I'm trying to think
Gmail日历。
Gmail calendar.
我就是这么……
I'm just such...
我真是个书呆子。
I'm such a nerd.
你真是个书呆子。
You're such a nerd.
你就像，不。
You're like, no.
我只想要一个播放列表，在处理故障的时候听。
I only want a playlist to listen while I manage my incidents.
不是。
It isn't.
明白了。
Got it.
我不知道。
I don't know.
现在是DevDay，所以我基本上全天候都在工作。
It's DevDay, so I've just been, like, twenty four seven working.
好的。
Okay.
好吧，我们之后会找到一些的，
Well, we'll we'll find some afterwards,
然后我们会建一些网站。
and we'll build some sites.
我想聊聊另一个我们俩都共同构建过的用例，这样我们可以谈谈各自不同的方法，那就是游戏洞察。
I wanna go to, one other use case that you and I both mutually built so we can talk about our different approaches to it, which is just games insights.
我觉得今天在DevDay上我们聊了很多关于这些模型有多厉害，比如Astra，在构建3D游戏和各种类型的游戏方面。
I think we're talking a lot at DevDay today about how good these models are, Astra, etcetera, at building three d games and games of different sorts.
我觉得特别有意思的一点是，你可以很快地从零到一做出高质量的东西。
And what I think is really fun about this is one, you can, like, zero to one something really fast that's high quality.
第二点，现在有了Sites，你就有地方放它，别人也能看到。
Two, now with sites, like, you have a place that you can stick it and other people, you know.
但我觉得大家可能还没充分发挥想象力，去想游戏可以是什么样，以及怎么利用Codex和Sites里的各种概念来做出酷炫的东西。
But, like, I think people aren't thinking as creatively as they could about, like, what a game could be and how could you use all these different concepts inside Codex and Sites to build something cool.
那你先给我们展示一下你的游戏吧，然后我再讲讲我的做法和思路。
So do you wanna show us your game, and then I'll talk through kinda my approach and what
我做的。
I did.
这是我之前一段时间做的。
This was a little while ago that I built this.
我当时想展示一下Sites的强大之处。
So I wanted to show off the power of sites.
然后……
And so...
我还想稍微展示一下我看到别人都在做些什么。
And I also wanted to show off a little bit about what I've seen people doing.
大家经常分享他们的网站。
People are sharing their sites a lot.
就像，嘿。
Like, hey.
我做了这个。
I built this.
现在你有地方放它了，所以大家都在分享他们做的东西，而且你有一个链接。
Now you have a place to put it, and so people are sharing what they built, and you have a URL.
所以我想围绕这个和社区建立联系。
So I wanted to kind of, like, connect to the community around that.
所以我正在……
And so I'm...
这是我一直非常非常好奇的事情，而且我还在不断尝试。
That's something that I'm very, very curious about and that I'm still playing around with.
那会很酷。
So it'd be cool.
比如，也许以后我们可以分享这个，看看大家会怎么做。
Like, maybe later on, we can share this and see what people do.
但基本上……
But basically...
好的。
Okay.
所以我建了一个很长的……
So I built the long...
最大的用户创建的地牢爬行游戏。
The largest user created dungeon crawler.
它的作用是，你可以进去玩，可以选择你的角色。
And what this does is you can go in, you can play it, you can pick whatever your your player is.
你可以选一个Codex宠物。
You can pick a Codex pet.
你可以自己创建。
You can create your own.
我们能在这里放我们的点吗？
Are we gonna be able to put our dots in here?
我会加上点集成，完美。
I will add dot integrations Perfect.
为你。
For you.
谢谢。
Thank you.
然后你进去，到处蹦跶，杀掉那些泰迪熊什么的。
And then you go in and you bounce around and you kill the kill the teddy bears and stuff.
我玩这个游戏真的很差劲。
I'm really, really bad at this game.
所以我很快就挂了。
So I get eaten very, very quickly.
你应该让Astron来玩这个游戏。
You should get Astron to play it.
我应该。
I should.
我应该。
I should.
我应该。
I should.
我真的应该。
I totally should.
好的。
Okay.
所以我做的是……
So what I did...
所以这是阿拉莫广场。
So this is Alamo Square.
你在这里就能看到那些彩绘女士。
You can see the painted ladies right here.
我马上就要被杀了。
I'm about to get murdered.
我还想让人们自己搭建房间。
And what I did was I also wanted people to build their own rooms.
所以我在这里放了说明，教大家怎么用那个叫“地牢视野”的技能，这个技能我可以发布出来，这样大家就能去玩这个了。
And so I put instructions here about how to use a skill called dungeon sight, which which I can release and everything, and so people can go and play this.
不过我会给你演示一下怎么用。
But I'll show you kind of like how to use it.
你去用那个地牢……
You go and use the dungeon...
安装地牢视野技能。
Install the dungeon site skill.
基本上，地牢视野技能就是告诉你，房间的尺寸是什么样的。
And basically, the dungeon site skill is just saying, like, here are the dimensions of what a room is.
这就是玩家的样子。
Here's what the player is.
你可以使用……
You can use the...
这些就是操作方式之类的。
Here's, like, what the controls are, etcetera.
然后它会……
And then it'll...
然后你……
And you...
然后你可以用Astra来指挥它。
And then you can use Astra to instruct it.
比如，我想在月球表面。
Like, I wanna be on the moon's surface.
我想在火山里，或者随便你想去哪。
I wanna be in a volcano or whatever you want.
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所以今天早上我做的事是，我儿子一直在看《怪奇物语》的动画片。
So what I did this morning is my son has been watching the cartoon for Stranger Things.
然后我就为《怪奇物语》建了一个地牢房间，它把所有这些都做出来了。
And so I built a dungeon room for Stranger Things, and it did all of this.
所以这是《怪奇物语》最长的地牢房间。
So it's the longest dungeon room for Stranger Things.
它做了，比如，空心的月亮。
It did, like, the hollow moon.
就像，它自己想到了所有这些，我们看看能不能真的进去玩一下。
Like, it came up with all of this itself, and let's see if we can actually go in and play it.
在加载的时候我有个问题。
And I have a question while this is loading.
它是在你的游戏上添加，还是创建一个
Is it adding on to your game, or is it creating a
新的，它是在创建一个新房间。
new It's creating a new room.
而且整个……
And the whole...
我做这个的初衷，以及我想达到的目标，就是让大家分享自己的房间，然后我会去扩充我的地牢。
My whole intent with this and where I wanna take it is for people to share their rooms, and then I'll go and add on to my dungeon.
它只在本地构建了房间，然后问我是否要构建一个开放式的房间，让它能通到另一个地牢。
It built it local only, and then it asked me if it wanted me to build an open ended room where it could pass through into another dungeon.
我其实跟它说了，不要。
And I actually told it, no.
我希望你结束游戏。
I want you to end the game.
那只是因为我想拿这个做个演示。
And that's just because I wanted to use this as a demo.
但这是技能里的功能。
But that's in the skill.
所以它会问你那个问题。
And so it will ask you that question.
你想把它建成一个可以继续玩下去的东西吗？
Do you wanna build this as something that you can continue or not?
然后我整个想法就是让大家分享自己的房间，然后去玩，接着开始互相交流，说，嘿，这个真的很好玩，然后把这些加到最长的地牢探险游戏里。
And then my whole intention of this is for people to share their rooms and then play them and then start talking to each other and talking about, hey, this one is really fun, and then adding those on to the longest dungeon crawler game.
我很好奇。
I'm curious.
你知道，对于任何想
You know, for any of
要建造的人来说……
us that wanna build...
因为你看起来很有野心。
Because it seems like you have ambitions.
她今天就要让它上线了。
She's gonna get it live today.
她就是这么说的。
That's what she said.
是的。
So Yeah.
你知道，我们会把链接发到推特上。
You know, we'll we'll tweet out what the link is.
但当你把这个上线的时候……
But when you get this live...
而且，我觉得这真的很有意思，因为这是一种分发游戏使用方式的新技能，这种用户体验我以前没听说过。
And one, I think this is really interesting as it's a skill to distribute, like, usage for a game, which is like a user experience I haven't heard before.
说你可以进入这个游戏并创造东西是一回事。
It's one thing to say, like, you can go into this game and you can create things.
说下载这个技能，然后Codex会直接把它构建到游戏里，又是另一回事。对。
It's another thing to say, like, download the skill and Codex will build into the game Mhmm.
为你构建。
For you.
我也不确定。
And I don't know.
我敢肯定你跟我一样，总是开着Codex浏览器在一个窗口，另一个窗口也开着Codex，就像是通过Codex来使用这个应用。
I'm I'm sure you're like me where I am just constantly, like, Codex browser in one window, Codex in the other window, like, using the app through through Codex.
所以我觉得这种通过技能来分发、让你与应用互动的模式，不管是游戏还是其他东西，都挺有意思的。
So I think this, like, distribution model of skills to interact with your app, whether it's a game or otherwise, is, like, pretty interesting.
另外我还在想一个问题，就是，好吧。
The other thing I'm wondering about is, okay.
假设你做了这个，然后这个房间里所有二十多个人都去添加他们的房间。
Let's say you do this and then all two dozen people in this room, go add their room.
你有没有观察到人们到底用不用这个？
Do you have any insight into people using this or not?
比如，你怎么……
Like, how do you...
你怎么能知道人们是不是真的在你的网站上添加内容？
How can you figure out if people are actually, adding on to your site?
你们有没有考虑过数据分析这块？
Are you guys thinking about, like, the analytics side of this?
没有。
No.
我不，作为
I don't, as
应用开发者……
the app developer...
所以我确实能接触到一些比较简单的分析数据。
So I do have access to some pretty lightweight analytics.
基本上就是访问量和流量之类的。
It's basically like, it's like visits and traffic.
我们正在扩展这些功能。
We are adding on to that.
我们有计划让分析功能更强大，能够捕捉异常、进行调查，并让它更具自主性。
So we have ambitions to make the analytics, like, much more robust and be able to pick up on and do investigations and spikes and to kind of, like, make it more more agentic.
但作为开发者，我无法了解是谁在构建和使用这个技能。
But I, as a developer, wouldn't have any insight into, like, who is building and using this skill.
所以我希望它的运作方式是借助Twitter，用一个话题标签来分享，比如说，嘿。
So the way that I want it to work is actually to play off Twitter and use, like, a hashtag to share, like, hey.
这是...
Here's...
我正在构建这个...
I'm building this...
有点像...
Kinda like how...
我会谈谈Awesome，就像Awesome Sites的使用方式一样。
I'll I'll talk about Awesome kinda like how Awesome Sites use works.
所以，如果你用了它，就@我，标记我，让它自然增长。
And so, like, just at mention me, tag me if you use it, and kind of have it grow organically.
我不知道。
I don't know.
我不...我...
I don't I...
就是那种自然形成的社区，感觉特别不一样。
There's something about just, like, the organic community.
我不需要它变成……
I don't need it to be...
我不需要社区以某种人工智能的方式聚在一起。
I don't need the community to come together in an AGI way.
我更愿意直接去认识那些人。
I'd rather just, like, meet the people.
也许我有点老派，
Maybe I'm old
就是那种老派的做法。
school like that.
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New frameworks, audits, and vendors keep piling on, but your team isn't getting any bigger.
大多数合规工具都承诺自动化，但实际上你还是得手动完成所有工作，追着截图跑，验证控制措施，审计季一来又得手忙脚乱地赶进度。
Most compliance tools promise automation, but you're really stuck doing all the work by hand, chasing screenshots, validating controls, and playing catch up when audit season comes around again.
Vanta的做法不一样。
Vanta works differently.
他们的智能信任平台是随着你的规模扩展而设计的，不会拖慢你的脚步。
Their agentic trust platform is built to scale with you, not slow down.
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With over 1,400 automated tests across 400 plus integrations, Vanta collects evidence and monitors your controls year round, cutting your audit prep by 82%.
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Plus, you can access the agent everywhere you work, whether your team is in Vanta every day or living in tools like Quad or Cursor.
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Want proof?
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My listeners can get $1,000 off by going to vanta.com/howiai.
那就是vanta.com/howiai，可以优惠1000美元。
That's vanta.com/howiai for $1,000 off.
好的。
Okay.
我得说说我做的那个游戏，因为你们发布了Ultra Fast，我提前一点试了试。
I have to talk about the game that I made because you all, announced ultra fast, and I got to, like, ultra fast test it, a little bit early.
我做的那个东西特别酷，我建了一个非常类似的3D游戏。
And what I did, which was super, super cool, is I built a very similar three d game.
那是一个2x3的3D房间游戏。
So it was a two by three three d room game.
背景设在月球飞船上。
It was on a moon ship.
里面有三个非常可爱的3D角色，Pip什么的，还有别的什么。
It was populated by three very adorable three d characters, Pip something and something.
我记不清了。
I don't remember.
我肯定记得皮普。
I definitely remember Pip.
他们每个人都有自己的房间。
They each had their room.
而且，就像展望未来一样，最酷的是你可以输入，比如，皮普需要双层床。
And, like, just forecasting the future, what was really cool is you were able to type, like, Pip needs bunk beds.
然后Astra Ultrafast就直接把双层床建好了。
And then Astra Ultrafast just, built the bunk beds.
然后你会说，莫莫的花园现在是秋天。
And then you're like, it's fall in Momo.
莫莫是另一个角色。
Momo was the other one.
就像莫莫的花园是秋天，然后树叶就会落下来。
It's like fall in Momo's garden, and then, like, the leaves would fall off.
我会说，莫莫的花园现在是春天，然后它就会开花。
And I would say, like, it's spring in Momo's garden, and then it would, like, flower.
然后我会说，咱们去水下吧，然后一只巨大的水母就会出现。
And then I would say, let's go underwater, and a giant jellyfish would show up.
然后我说，咱们把重力去掉吧，然后所有东西都开始飘起来。
And then I said, like, let's remove gravity, and then everything starts to float.
所以我觉得我们真的非常接近了，不仅仅是……
And so I think we're really getting quite close not only to...
让你能够构建3D游戏，这已经很不错了，所以你应该试试。
For you to be able to build three d games, which is pretty good at, so you should try doing that.
部署它们，你已经解决了，但然后集成这些非常快速、非常快的……
Deploy them, which you have solved, but then integrate these, like, very speedy, very fast...
我是说，我说过，这真是浪费一千美元，或者我……
I mean, I said it was, like, a terrible use of a thousand dollars or what I...
不管我花了多少。
Whatever I spent.
我当时想，我的孩子们说，让水母变成草裙舞者吧。
I was like, my kids were like, make the jellyfish a hula dancer.
给水母系上腰带，就像小宝宝那样。
Give the jellyfish belt, like like babies.
我想要一只鸡。
I want a chicken.
我当时就想，这钱就这么哗哗地流走了，孩子。
And I was like, there's just dollars going out the doors, kid.
它速度快了八倍，但正如山姆所说，价格也贵了六倍。
It's eight times as fast, but as Sam said, six times as expensive.
但我确实觉得，随着这些模型变得越来越聪明、越来越快，你可以想象这将会……
But I do think as these, like, models both get, like, more smart and faster, you can imagine how this, like...
你知道，人们现在谈论生成式用户界面，往往是从那种很无聊的软件服务角度，比如说你的表单会按你的意愿推进，或者你会有这些小部件。
You know, people are talking about generative UI in this, like, very kind of, like, boring SaaS way where it's like your forms will, like, progress how you want or you'll have these, like, widgets.
我觉得这种生成式的游戏世界界面会非常有趣。
I think this, like, generative world UI of games is gonna be really interesting.
那肯定会很酷。
It's gonna be pretty cool.
挺酷的。
It's pretty cool.
你知道吗，你提到的那个点真的很有意思，而且我很喜欢你讲的方式。
You know, you're hinting at something that is really interesting, and I liked how you talked about it.
就像，孩子们在要什么东西，然后你就说，好吧。
Like, you know, the kids were asking for something, and you're like, okay.
让我把它做进去。
Let me build that in.
你把这个低……
You built this low...
这个游戏在本地做出来了。
This game locally.
我做了
I built
本地版本。
it locally.
我……
I...
所以我们在Sites里正在尝试的一个功能，就是把推理能力直接集成到网站本身。
So one of the things we're playing around with, with Sites is this ability to bring your inference into the site itself.
这正是我想问你的。对。
That's what was gonna ask you Yep.
然后还能让ChatGPT去……
And and then be able to ask ChatGPT to...
我们做这个的原因，就是希望能进入设计模式之类的，然后让ChatGPT帮你做事。
Like like, the reason why we're building this is to be able to go into, like, design mode or whatever and ask ChatGPT to do things.
我们开始尝试用下面这个网站小部件。
And we are starting to play around with this site widget down here.
目前它非常简单。
It is, right now, it's very, very simple.
它可以让你说，比如，你们现在可能正在看我调试这个不工作的东西。
And it will allow you to to say, like, you know, I think you guys are watching me debug the fact that this thing isn't working right now.
所以我可以从这里操作。
So I could do that from here.
现在它会把我带回ChatGPT。
It's gonna take me back to ChatGPT right now.
对。
Yep.
所以我们正在尝试把推理功能集成到网站里。对。
So we are playing around with ways to get inference into the site Yep.
把你的推理带进来。
To bring your inference in.
我觉得当那些想玩游戏的人能把自己的推理带进来时，会非常有趣。
I think it's gonna be really interesting when people who want to play the game can bring their inference in.
想象一下，你给孩子零花钱，比如你有多少钱可以花在这个游戏上，你可以自己去问，然后他们开始说，我想要双层床。
Imagine you give your kids an allowance of, like, you have however much to spend on this game, and you can go and ask for it yourself, and they start saying, like, I I want bunk beds.
我想要它变成章鱼之类的。
I want it to turn into an octopus or something like that.
然后他们就可以去进行那些对话了。
And they can go and and, and have those conversations.
你看，你不了解我的孩子们，但他们已经有零花钱了。
See, you don't know my kids, but they already have an allowance.
比如，妈妈的Codex订阅能让他们用多少呢……
Like, how much of mommy's Codex subscription can they...
他们被允许用吗？我觉得可以。
Are they allowed to I believe.
我觉得可以。
I believe.
不过我们会拿到那个500的套餐。
But we're gonna get that 500 plan.
那个……
That...
就像家庭套餐一样，就像家庭通话分钟数那样。对。
It's like it's like the family plans, like family minutes for Yeah.
给你的Codex用。
For your Codex.
我觉得引入推理功能会非常有意思。
I I think bringing in inference is gonna be really interesting.
实时推理，对。
Real time Yep.
那会非常有意思。
Is gonna be really interesting.
你知道，作为开发者，我从两个方面来看待这个问题。
You know, just as a builder, I look at it from two things.
一方面，我能不能把我想到的东西推向世界或者我的公司？
I look at it from a, like, can I get something that I imagine out to the world or out to my company?
我觉得那很有意思。
I think that's interesting.
比如，这里对基础设施的需求会很大，你得做出非常明智的选择，比如你是要支持洞察分析，还是说这个东西需要部署在某个云上，然后你得自己管理你的基础设施。
Like, there's gonna be a lot of demands on infrastructure here where, like, you're gonna have to make really reason choices about, like, how much do you support insights versus, like, this needs to be deployed in some cloud somewhere and you need to own your your infrastructure.
我觉得那真的很有意思。
I think that's really interesting.
另一个特别好玩的是……
The other really fun...
我就是……
I just...
再说，我觉得能创造以前根本做不出来的东西特别有意思。我进入科技行业是因为我想当游戏设计师。
Again, like, I think getting creative with stuff that you could never build before I got into tech because I wanted to be a game designer.
那是我最……
It was, the number one thing that I...
有一段特别可爱的剪报。
There's, like, this very adorable clipping.
我朋友的妈妈在当地报社工作，所以她经常采访我们所有人，好把她的专栏写出来。
My friend's mom worked for the local newspaper, so she would just, like, interview all of us so she could get her column out.
那是我13岁的样子。
There's, like, me at 13.
我就说，我想当游戏开发者。
I'm like, I wanna be a game developer.
而且，要把一个好点子真正做出来，需要的硬技能和创意能力要求真的很高。
And it's just, like, the the hard skills, the creative skills required to get even a good idea into production are so high.
过去三到六个月，这些新模型让我离实现创意更近了一步，这对我来说特别有意思。对。
And that's been the fun thing for me over the last three to six months with these new models is how much closer it's brought me to building creative things Yeah.
那些我真正想做的、特别好玩的东西。
That I want want to build that are really fun.
我还做了一个实时涂鸦应用，你可以在画布上画画，然后Astra会在上面接着画。
The other one that I did, is I built a live a live sketch app where you can draw on a a a canvas, and then Astra draws, like, on top of it.
你画一座山，好。
So you draw a hill Okay.
它就会画一只蜗牛，然后你画一张脸，它就会变成一个热气球。
And it draws a snail, and then you draw a face, and it turns it into, like, a hot air balloon.
所以我觉得，现在能做一些以前根本做不到的有趣事情，真的很有意思。对。
And so I just think there's really fun things that you can do that you just weren't able to do before Yeah.
做出来了。
Making it.
这也是我们当初做这个的原因之一……
And this is this is one of the reasons why we why we built...
哦，不错。
Oh, cool.
成功了。
It it worked.
你看。
Look at it.
这就是其中一个……
This is one of the thing...
我们做这个网站的原因之一，就是让大家能自由地表达创意。
One of the reasons why we built sites is so that people can creatively express themselves.
同时，也能更好地协作。
Also, yes, work together and work together better.
但你会不会发现自己……
But do you find yourself...
我有时候也会这样。
This this happens to me a little bit.
所以我也想知道你怎么样。
So I'm wondering about you too.
你会不会在创作的时候，特别是用Astra Yep的时候，
Do you find yourself when you create something, especially with Astra Yep.
创意越来越多？
Just having more and more creative ideas?
你就会想，哦，我现在想做这个，现在想做那个。
You're like, oh, now I wanna do this, and now I wanna do that.
然后你就……
And you're just like...
就像源源不断的灵感一样。
It's like an endless stream.
是的。
Yes.
真的非常有趣。
It's really, really fun.
我还觉得，模型越快，就越能加速你的创造力。
I also just think the faster the models get, the more kinda, like, acceleration towards creativity you get.
比如，我的很多创意常常因为等待处理而分心，就被压下去了。
Like, a lot of my creativity gets stamped down by being distracted when my thread is processing.
所以，你越能让我保持那种心流状态，对，就是这样。
So the more you can keep me sort of, like, in, flow state Yeah.
越好。
The better.
但我还是会发布我的游戏，因为我觉得它们……
But I will also release my games because I think they're...
我觉得它们非常酷。
I think they're very cool.
好的。
Okay.
你刚才给我看的那个真的很酷。
And you showed me was really, really cool.
真的特别棒。
It's really cool.
我觉得你应该去做。
I think you should do it.
确实很酷。
It's really cool.
不知道大家能不能理解，但当我……
Don't know if you guys understand, but when I I was...
我们今天早些时候聊天的时候，我说，克莱尔，我给你看看我做的这个地牢爬行游戏。
We were chatting earlier today, I was like, Claire, let me show you this dungeon crawler thing I built.
然后她反应是，天哪。
And she was like, oh my god.
我得给你看看另一个……
I have to show you this other...
这是其中一个……
It's one of...
基本上一样，只是我的版本特别阴暗压抑，而她的版本特别可爱有趣。
It's, like, identical except for mine is very dark and depressing, and hers is very cute and fun.
这挺搞笑的，因为我自己是个超级哥特风的人，还养着特别情绪化的孩子。
Which is very funny because I am extremely goth raising, like, extremely emo children.
所以它居然生成一个淡紫色和粉色的快乐世界，真是没想到。
So it was wild that it came up with this, like, periwinkle and pink happy world.
那是罗莫和皮普。
It was Romo and Pip.
非常非常可爱。
It's very, very cute.
然后你还有一个画廊，对。
And then you have a gallery of Yes.
网站。
Sites.
Awesome Sites。
Awesome sites.
Awesome Sites。
Awesome sites.
好。
Okay.
你们都知道Awesome Sites吧。
So you all know about Awesome Sites.
它顶部有个很有趣的跳舞动画。
It has this, like, fun dancing animation at the top.
好。
Okay.
所以基本上我拿Awesome Sites，然后我建了Awesome Sites。
So I basically took Awesome Sites, and I built Awesome Sites.
我问了社区，你们都在建哪些网站，用 Awesome Sites 这个标签。
I asked the community what are some of the sites that you guys have been building and use the hashtag Awesome Sites.
私信我，在推特上发给我，或者用任何方式发给我，然后告诉我。
DM me, send it to me in Twitter, send it to me however you want, and tell me about it.
所以他们给我发了一大堆很棒的网站。
So they sent me a whole bunch of awesome sites.
你可以去 awesomesites.ai 看看这些网站。
And so you can go to awesomesites.ai and check them out.
有一些很酷的，比如这个。
There's there's some cool ones like this one.
有人建了……
Somebody built...
我本来应该提前加载这些的。
I should have loaded these ahead of time.
有人用 sites 建了一个真的能用的钢琴。
Somebody built a piano with sites that actually works.
这里还有一些我特别喜欢的，比如这些……
Some of my favorite here too are like some of these...
比如这个海得拉巴公交地图，它可以一直放大，你还能查看公交线路什么的。
So here's like a Hyderabad bus atlas, and it like scrolls all the way in, and you can go and, like, check out the bus lines and stuff.
我觉得这真的太酷了。
And I think this is so cool.
我之前提到过，比如，嘿。
I I mentioned, like, hey.
也许我要出差，我就想为手头的事情快速搭个网站。
Maybe I'm going on a work trip, I just wanna spin up a site for whatever I'm doing.
很多人会用这样的工具来做这件事。
A lot of people will do that with stuff like this.
他们就会说，好的。
They're they're like, okay.
我要去巴黎了。
I'm going to Paris.
我对那边的轨道交通完全不了解。
I have no idea how to ride the rail system there.
我就想要个能一步步教我怎么坐的东西。
I just want something that'll, like, walk me through it.
所以他们就会很快搭个网站，方便导航。
And so they'll spin up a site really quick to be able to navigate that.
这里面还有很多游戏，都是大家做的模拟世界，比如这个像《我的世界》的翻版。
There are a bunch of there are a bunch of games in here too that people are doing, simulated worlds, and here's like a Minecraft dupe.
不过我不知道怎么玩这个，所以我完全玩不来。
Although I don't know how to play this, and so I'm totally failing.
所以这里是个很棒的地方，可以随便逛逛，看看别人在做什么，找找灵感。
So it's a cool place to just explore and see what other people are doing and get inspired.
太棒了，网址是 awesome-sites.awesomesites.ai。
So awesome -sites.awesomesites.ai.
完美。
Perfect.
好的。
Alright.
我们这次的时间差不多要结束了。
We are at the very end of our time together.
我只有一个问题，因为，再说一次，这一集的主题就是你和我是围绕我们的Codex网站旋转的双子星。
I have just one question because, again, the whole theme of this episode will be you and I are twin stars circling around our Codex site.
所以我要看看我们是否在最重要的“我是如何用AI”的问题上一致，这个问题我问过每一位嘉宾，那就是当Codex在直播演示中让你难堪，没有按你的要求做，没有构建出网站时，你会怎么做。
So I'm gonna see if we are the same on the most critical How I AI question that I ask every single guest, which is when Codex is embarrassing you during a live demo and not doing what you want, it is not building the site.
这个问题问父母也很难，因为，你知道，你会大喊大叫吗？
This is a hard question to ask parents too because, you know, do you yell?
你的提示策略是什么？
What's your prompting strategy?
天哪。
Oh my god.
我经常对我的围裙大喊大叫。
I yell all the time at my apron.
我还会说请和谢谢。
I also say please and thank you.
好的。
Okay.
我非常礼貌，但当它不按我的要求做的时候，我确实会感到恼火。
I am very polite, but when it's not doing what I want it to do, I do get I do get annoyed at it.
它就是个东西，所以……
It is an it, so it's...
你知道，我就想，它没有感情。
You know, I'm like, it doesn't have feelings.
所以我不担心那个。
So I don't worry about that.
而且……
I also...
你知道，我不喜欢它做我不想让它做的事情。
I, you know, I I don't like it doing things that I don't want it to do.
而且我知道有些是操作失误。
And I know some of that is, like, user error.
我就想，好吧。
I'm like, okay.
它做的事情，其实是我让它做的。
It's doing something that it...
大概是我让它做的。
I, like, asked it to do probably.
或者……
Or...
你懂吧？
You know?
但如果它开始自作主张，特别是开始替我发邮件或者跟人说话，我会非常生气，然后就会说‘别这么做’，还会狠狠批评它一顿。
But if it starts making assumptions, like, especially if it starts emailing or talking to people for me, I get so mad, and I'll just say, Do not do that, and I'll kind of, like, ream it out.
这样它以后就不会再这么做了。
And so it it won't do that in the future.
因为那是……
And because that's...
我想保护那个。
I wanna protect that.
那是我的声音。
That's my voice.
我不想……
I don't want...
如果它，你知道，替我签上名字，然后发给别人，那就越界了。
If it's, you know, like signing my name to something it wrote and then sending that to somebody, that's crossing the line.
所以我说，别这么做。
So I said, do not do that.
好的。
Okay.
所以你……
So you you...
所有的邮件、Slack 消息，还有你的一切，都是你本人发的。
All the emails, Slacks, everything from you are from you.
对，都是我发的。
They're from me.
你知道，它们可能受到 Codex 写的内容的启发，因为我确实经常用它……
You know, they may be inspired by something Codex wrote because I do use it all...
我是说，一直都在用。
I mean, all the time.
我用它来做研究。
I use it to do my research.
我用它来帮我写作，但我不喜欢它替我写。
I use it to to help me write, but I don't like it writing for me.
我最近让一个机器人帮我在我的社区 Slack 里写消息，然后大家就在那儿互动来互动去的。
I recently had a bot start writing Slacks for me in my community Slack, and people are, like, engaging back and forth.
我就说，各位，那不是我。
I'm like, y'all, that is not me.
它……
It...
就是说，那根本不是我……
Like, that is that is not...
拜托别鼓励那个AI，别鼓励它。对，就是这样。
Please don't encourage please don't encourage the AI when it Yeah.
当它模仿我的时候。
When it impersonates me.
好的。
Okay.
所以你很严厉。
So you are very stern.
哦，非常重要的问题。
Oh, very important question.
你的点（dot）叫什么名字？
What is your dot's name?
我的点点的
My dot's
名字叫莫格瓦，这是我狗的名字。
name is Mogwai, which is my dog's name.
哦，真可爱。
Oh, cute.
她是一只小哈士奇，我们给她取名叫莫格瓦，是根据《小魔怪》来的。
She's a little miniature husky, and we named her Mogwai after the gremlins.
哦，非常可爱。
Oh, very cute.
我的……
Mine...
我的……
Mine...
我的点点的名字叫贝。
My dot's name's Bay.
贝。
Bay.
哦，贝。
Oh, Bay.
非常……
Very...
她是粉色的。
She's pink.
她非常可爱。
She's very cute.
好吧，这真是太有趣了。
Well, this has been super fun.
谢谢你给我们展示了你的所有网站。
Thank you for showing us all your sites.
我们涵盖了工作用的网站、算法用的网站、个人软件，还有娱乐和赚钱用的网站，这就是我所说的“精彩网站”。
We covered sites for work, sites for your algorithm, personal software, and then sites for fun and profit, which is what I'm calling Awesome Sites.
那你接下来就要去发布这个了。
So you're gonna go publish this.
我会的。
I will.
那这些可爱的朋友们在哪里能找到你，我们怎么才能
And where can these lovely folks find you, and how can we
帮上忙呢？
be helpful?
我在所有平台都叫Simsoka，s i m p s o k a，在推特和其他地方都是。
I am Simsoka everywhere, s I m p s o k a, on Twitter and all of the things.
所以你们可以在那里找到我。
So you can find me there.
如果有问题，我的私信是开放的。
My DMs are open if you have questions
或者任何其他事情。
or anything.
对网站的反馈。
Feedback on sites.
她想要。
She wants it.
我确实想要。
I do want it.
我经常征求反馈。
I I ask for feedback all the time.
所以如果你关注我，你可能会看到我。
So if you follow me, you'll probably watch me.
比如，我想听听对这个、那个的反馈。
Like, I want feedback on this and this and this.
提前提醒你一下。
Just be warned.
太棒了。
Amazing.
好的，感谢你邀请我们参加DevDay，也感谢大家收听How AI。
Well, thank you for inviting us all to DevDay, and thanks for joining How AI.
很高兴来到这里。
Happy to be here.
谢谢。
Thank you.
非常感谢大家的观看。
Thanks so much for watching.
如果你喜欢这期节目，请在YouTube上点赞和订阅，或者更好的是，在评论区留下你的想法。
If you enjoyed the show, please like and subscribe here on YouTube or even better, leave us a comment with your thoughts.
你也可以在Apple Podcasts、Spotify或你喜欢的播客应用上找到这个播客。
You can also find this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app.
请考虑给我们一个评分和评论，这将帮助更多人发现这个节目。
Please consider leaving us a rating and review, which will help others find the show.
你可以在howiaipod.com上查看我们所有的节目，并了解更多关于这个节目的信息。
You can see all our episodes and learn more about the show at howiaipod.com.
下次见。
See you next time.
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