IGN英国播客第816期：《丝之歌》终于来了，看来我们得聊聊它了

我太喜欢这个设定了。想必它们会在整个游戏过程中不断出现。哦，肯定的。规则方面，我喜欢这种设定：你在这里只能使用有限的招式，但随着游戏推进，你的招式会逐渐增加。

I I love that. Presumably, they're gonna keep showing up for the entirety of the game Oh, for sure. Rules. Like, I like that idea of, like, you're only using so many moves here, but your moves that will gradually continue as we get further.

这么说的话，它们确实很像《空洞骑士》里黄蜂女的陪衬角色。

I mean, they're really like A foil to hornet in a Hollow Knight in that case then.

没错。特别有意思的是，这就是我在科隆游戏展上打的那个Boss，我当时还想这肯定是游戏后期的内容吧。难度很高。这次我花了十分钟才打过，毕竟你已经积累了大约三小时的前期经验。其实可以比较轻松地过关。

Exactly. And it's very funny because that's the boss at Gamescom that I fought, and I was like, oh, this must be far into the game. This is difficult. It took me, like, ten minutes this time because you have the, what, three hours of previous knowledge in the bank. You can do it fairly easily.

真可惜。是啊，我在科隆展上用十分钟打完时就在想，天啊，这游戏肯定硬核到家了。不过有时候确实还是很硬核，不是吗？我真的很...

It's too bad. Yeah, when I played that Gamescom in ten minutes, was like, oh, god. This game's gonna be nails. Which at times, it is still nails, didn't it? Have this I really

喜欢这个理论，算是个独特见解。这周本来打算做个视频，但一直特别忙。关于很多人抱怨Boss战之间的跑图距离，有些确实有点太长了。我想论证的是，其实这种设计很适合这款游戏。

like that. This theory, this is kind of a take here. I going was to do a video earlier this week, but I've just been very busy. That's about people have been complaining about the run back between bosses, where some of them are definitely a little bit too long. I wanted to make this argument that I think it suits the game.

首先，最明显的理由是这会激励你提升技术尽快击败Boss，就不用反复跑图了。当然有人会反驳说反正我也想看新内容，这个动力就够了。不过扯远了。我另一个观点是：如果没有能展现它的空间，设计这么有趣的移动系统又有什么意义呢？

Because one, there's the obvious argument that it incentivizes you to get better at beating this boss so that you don't have to do it anymore. And then some people would counterargument that by being like, well, I want to see new stuff anyway. That's enough of an incentive. But I digress. The other point that I was going to make was that why have such an interesting movement system if you don't have anything that will take advantage of it, right?

比如能够快速穿越游戏场景，用非常富有表现力的方式移动

Like, able to rush through a game and move really quickly and, like, have really expressive ways of moving

确实。

Yeah.

如果没有展示空间，这一切就毫无意义。

That's that's pointless unless there is space to show it off.

我很矛盾，因为一方面我同意这确实是游戏的核心特色之一。它是...

I am torn because I agree that, like, that's half what the game is. It's a

真是个很棒的平台游戏，而且我不

really cool platformer, and I don't

希望它仅仅是个Boss速通游戏。但另一方面，我也确实觉得游戏中的跑图过程很烦人。就像，这就是为什么我从未通关《黑暗之魂》。尽管在一定程度上喜欢它们，我也从未通关《血源诅咒》。而之所以我爱上《艾尔登法环》，是因为《艾尔登法环》在这方面友好得多。

want it to just be a Bossh rush game. But I am also on the other side, I do find run backs in games quite annoying. Like, that is why I've never finished Dark Souls. I've never finished Bloodborne despite liking them to an extent. And why I fell in love with Elden Ring because Elden Ring was so much kinder in the way.

你基本上可以直接重试Boss战。它们把你直接放在外面

You could basically just retry boss battles. They put you straight outside

时代不同了。然后让你进去。如果《艾尔登法环》的目的是给你更多探索，有很多嗯。比如，在世界中的发现和移动，然后就像是，我们在区分探索、移动和Boss战斗。绝对是这样。

It's a different time. And get you in. If the point of Elden Ring is to give you a lot more exploration, have a lot of Mhmm. Like, discovery and movement through the world, and then be like, we're delineating exploration and movement and boss fighting. That's absolutely it.

但我觉得这一点，关于我想说的最后一点是如此，就像，你必须这样做。因为我认为它教会你理解一个区域，《空洞骑士》也做到了这一点。一旦你理解了那个区域，它就会突然改变规则。它不再那样运作了。我认为这是关于让你习惯事物应有的方式，然后突然之间又不是了。

But I feel like this one, for this last point that I wanna make is so, like, you have to do it this way. Because I think it teaches you to understand an area, and then Hollow Knight did this as well. Once you understand that area, it will pull the rug up from underneath you. It just doesn't work like that anymore. And I think that's it's about getting you used to the way things are supposed to be, and then suddenly it's not.

就像 是的。

Like Yeah.

是的。而且，我认为这只是个非常好的Boss热身。嗯。就像 是的。是的。

Yeah. Also, think it's just a really good warm up for the boss. Mhmm. Like Yeah. Yeah.

尽管这确实会让人恼火，没错，就像，你不能告诉我，在你第八或第九次经过同样的敌人去Boss那里时，你对它们了如指掌，就像，精确到毫秒就能解决它们，这不令人满足。对我来说，这就是《丝之歌》和《空洞骑士》如此伟大的部分原因，起初它很烦人，我觉得它有一个钟形曲线，从烦人和恼火到，哦，我真的感觉此刻自己就是霍妮特或空洞骑士，因为没有什么能阻挡我回到这个Boss。然后你变得极度自信又死了一次。你觉得这很棒。太棒了。

Even though it does get irritating, for sure, like, can't tell me that it's not satisfying on your eighth or ninth turn of going through, like, the same enemies to get to the boss, that you know them inside out, like, down to the millisecond you can just end them. And for me, that's part of, like, what is so great about Silksong and Hollow Knight is that, at first, it's irritating, and I feel like it has a bell curve of like irritating and annoying versus like, oh, I really do feel like Hornet or Hollow Knight in this moment because nothing is getting in my way to get back to this boss. And then you are massively overconfident and die again. You think it's great. It's fantastic.

是的。霍妮特才不会在乎跑图呢。霍妮特只会觉得，这不算什么。我只是 是的。

Yeah. Hornet wouldn't care about the run back. Hornet would just be like, this is nothing. I'm just yeah.

是的。我得说，我现在正在做的姐妹旋转有一点烦人的跑图。它不是基于敌人的。就像是，要坐电梯，等它上升，大概十秒钟，这是一种烦人的方式。然后还有几个烦人的跳跃，我就像，我能做这些跳跃，但是，就像，只是拜托让我... 跳跃有点短。

Yeah. I will say the sister spin to one which I'm doing at the moment is a bit of annoying run back. It isn't enemy based. It's, like, getting a lift and wait for that to go up for, like, ten seconds, which is an annoying way. Then it's like a few annoying jumps where I'm like, I can do these jumps, but, like, it's just just please let me Jumping is a little short.

给我

Give me

有点短。不过在电梯里挺烦人的。是的。那倒是。

a little short. Irritating though in a lift. Yeah. That's fair.

还有一个类似的要来了。好的。我觉得那个挺烦人的。是的。更像是，我在一辆Lyft车里，不过还好。

There is one more of those coming up Good. That I found quite annoying. Yeah. More like, I'm in a Lyft, but it's fine.

是的。我想我已经有几天没玩了。下周在飞机上我要好好沉浸一下。

Yeah. I think I've got I haven't played it for a couple of days. I am gonna really get stuck in on a flight next week.

要 是的，

Gonna Yeah,

老兄。试着真的去

man. Try and really get

不错。我 我还有同样的要来了。所以 是的。

Nice. I have I still have that same coming up. So Yeah.

不同的原因。生活多有趣啊？嗯。我们觉得这个在今年有获奖的机会吗？是的。

Different reasons. How funny is life? Mhmm. Where do we think this has a shot of game in the year? Yeah.

是 炒作比实际结果更大吗？

Is is the hype bigger than the actual result?

不。我不认为它会赢，但我确实怀疑它在名单上。

No. I don't think it will win, but I do suspect it's on the list.

我想应该是第五或第六名吧。

It'll be the five or six, I think.

哦，我觉得至少前三，就算不是夺冠。

Oh, I think top three, like, if not winning.

我觉得目前对我来说大概是第五名。

I think it's currently sitting at, like, five for me.

那什么会排在前面呢？我不是焦虑什么的，但哪些会排在上面

What would what would come about no. I'm not getting angsty or whatever, but what would come above

《Silence》？我觉得《Clariq》仍然是我的第一名。

Silence? Think Clariq appears still number one for me.

太棒了。哦，是的。

Love it. Oh, yeah.

我个人更倾向于《大金刚》。

I'm leaning towards Donkey Kong, personally.

是的。第二名的话，我会选...天啊。我忘了第二名可能是...

Yeah. Second, I'd have oh, god. I forgot I might have second.

那它就不可能那么好了。

It can't be that good then.

我知道。那是什么来着？

I know. What was it?

说实话

To be honest

这太疯狂了。

This is bonkers.

我我我还有一个观点，我认为《Deadlock》是我这辈子玩过的最好的游戏之一。

I I I also have this take that I think that Deadlock is one of the best games I've ever played in my entire life.

还还有那个1.0版本的发布地图。

And And that one point o release map.

没错。它现在还不能上榜，但它已经比我玩过的大多数游戏都要好了。

Exactly. It can't be on the list this yet. But it's already better than most things I've ever played.

我就是那种怪人，可能现在会把《死亡搁浅2》排在上面。

I am one of those weirdos who probably at this point would have Death Stranding two above.

哦，天啊。好吧。

Oh, god. Okay.

还有《Felicity》。目前我会把《大金刚》排在《丝之歌》前面。我两个都还没打完。而且我不知道。也许今年还有其他游戏我会排得更高。

Also have Felicity. I'd have Donkey Kong above Silksong at the moment. I still haven't finished both. And I'd I don't know. Maybe other games kind of this year I'd have above.

但但我只是觉得，《丝之歌》已经让大家等了七年这么久。要完美收尾，就像，来自各方的压力对《丝之歌》来说

But but I just think like, Silksong has been so long coming for seven years. And to stick the landing, like, the amount of pressure pressure that was on Silksong from the

我认为它的设计非常出色。只是还没能完全打动我。

I think it's incredibly well designed. It's just not singing to me fully yet.

好的。

Okay.

直击我心。好吧。我觉得我甚至可能把《蓝图纸》排在《丝之歌》之上。

To my heart. Okay. I think I may even would have blueprints above Silksong.

我还没玩过《蓝图纸》。

I haven't played blueprints.

如果你喜欢背景故事的话。是的，你可以试试。

It's If you like lore. You can yeah.

是啊，是啊。你会玩得很开心的。没错。不过确实。

Yeah. Yeah. You'll have a good time. Yeah. But yeah.

所以它对你来说就是那个级别的。

Is it so it's it's up there for you.

哦，绝对是。前三名。就像，我现在想不出还有什么能排在它上面，但这只是因为我的大脑有点短路，因为被突然问到它为什么是今年出的。

Oh, definite. Top three. Like, I can't think what I'd put above it right now, but that is because I'm getting, like, lizard brain because I'm on the spot about why it was came out this year.

我更喜欢《分裂虚构》吗？我不知道。也许吧。

Did I enjoy split fiction more? I don't know. Maybe I did.

真的吗？

Really?

就……呃，不是指写作方面。这点我可以肯定。

For in term well, not in terms of writing. I can tell you that.

他们现在看不到我的面部表情，但是

They can't see my facial expressions right now, but

我不知道。我觉得《空洞骑士》是无可挑剔的。我太欣赏《空洞骑士》了。

I don't know. I'm like I think Hollow Knight is impeccable. I appreciate Hollow Knight so much.

你和谁一起玩的分屏游戏？

Who did you play split fiction with?

我和马特一起玩的。

I have played it with Matt.

所以可能你只是享受和马特聊天或者有马特在身边的感觉。

So it might just be that you enjoy just having a conversation with Matt or do have Matt.

他这周不在，我非常想念他。这太遗憾了。不过，下周我会和他待一整周，他肯定会烦死我的。所以，你知道，这就是生活的循环。

He's off this week, and I'm missing him dearly. And that's a shame. But, yeah, I'll be with him all week next week, and he'll be sick of me. So, you know, that that such is the cycle of life.

是的。我觉得《丝之歌》会像美酒一样。我觉得它现在已经很棒了。但我认为人们花在它上面的时间越多，它就会变得越好，因为你可以反思它，然后再玩一遍，

Yeah. I think I think Silksong is gonna be like a fine wine. Like, it's it's I think I think it's fantastic already. But I think the more time that you spend with it, you as in, like, just people spend with it, it will become even better because you'll be able to, like, reflect on it and then, like, give it another go and

做这类

do those kinds

事情。我认为它真的有很大机会赢得很多奖项，因为它几乎有《王者归来》那种效应，完成了一个循环。人们太晚才意识到《空洞骑士》有多好。你看刚发售时，它并不受追捧，如果你明白我的意思。但是，随着时间的推移，人们开始觉得，哦，不。

of things. I think it genuinely will has a good shot winning a lot of awards just because it's almost got the return the king effect to do full circle of. People realized too late Hollow how good Hollow Knight was. Look at launch, it wasn't beloved, if you know what I mean. But, like, as time went on, people are like, oh, no.

这基本上是有史以来最棒的独立游戏之一。而它在那年刚推出时其实什么奖也没赢。现在人们会说，好吧，让我们来共同致敬这两款游戏的遗产。

This is one of the best indie games ever made, essentially. And it didn't really win anything when it came out that year. And now people be like, well, let's honor the legacy of both of these games.

我觉得《空洞骑士》的受欢迎程度是一个缓慢积累的过程。就像，它慢慢积累，现在就像一股浪潮。但《丝之歌》也是如此，其背后的开发过程非常令人敬佩。就像手工放置不同元素，甚至在当时都不是程序生成再编辑的。这完全是一场用心的劳动，比如手绘精灵等等。

I feel like the love of Hollow Knight was a very slow swell. Like, it built up very slowly, and now it's just like a tidal wave. But also with Silksong, so many of the much of the development behind it is incredibly respectable. It's like hand placing different elements, like none of it is was even back then procedurally generated and edited upon. It's all like a proper labor of love, like hand drawn sprites and stuff.

所以我认为出于这个原因，它会在人们的年度游戏榜单上排名更高，也更难被超越，尤其是因为它仍然来自一个独立工作室。

So I think for for that reason, it's gonna have a a lot higher, like, on people's lists for game of the year and kind of a lot harder to overcome, especially because it is still from an indie studio.

没错。就像，我尊重它是因为它的设计有多出色，以及……是的。手工制作就是这样。我……是的。我不能再更尊重它了。

Exactly. Like, in terms of the respect I have for it is how well it's designed and how Yeah. Handcrafted is. I yeah. I couldn't respect it anymore.

就乐趣而言，我觉得今年我个人有几款游戏……是的。

In terms of enjoyment, I think there are a handful of games I've personally Yeah.

那是已经

That's had

今年玩得更开心。是的。但是，嘿，今年还有几个月呢。还没结束，对吧？因为《足球经理2026》两个月后就要出了。

more fun with this year. Yeah. But, hey, still a few more months in the year. It's not over yet, is it? Because Football Manager '20 twenty six is out in two months.

没错。我的意思是，他们跳过了⼀年，所以这……我知道。你知道，你以为你等《丝之歌》等了很久。《足球经理》的粉丝们才是真的……太棒了

Exactly. I mean, it's they skipped a year, so it just it's I know. You know, you you think you've been waiting for Silksong a long time. Football Manager fans force. So good to

你太感谢了。这意味着我在Steam上玩《足球经理2024》的时间现在已经达到两千零九十二小时了。

you so much. So that means my playtime on Football Manager 2024 on Steam is now up to two thousand and ninety two hours.

那比……哇。已经出了

That's more hours than Wow. Been out

还不到

in less

超过两年了。

than two years.

哇。

Wow.

是啊。我...我玩死锁模式。我想我光是死锁模式就玩了大概五百个小时。

Yeah. I I for deadlock. I think I'm at, like, five hundred hours on just deadlock.

是啊。哦，天啊。哦，

Yeah. Oh, god. Oh,

天哪。上帝啊。

dear. God.

多出去走走。不过就这样吧。戴尔，我其实还没透露过——戴尔可能是第一次在播客里听到这个——我其实上周开了一个新的考文垂存档。

Get out more. But there we go. Dale, I haven't actually revealed that Dale might hear this the first time this is the podcast. I've actually, last week started a new Coventry save.

哇。你是想开车...是啊。在

Wow. You're trying to drive Yeah. On the

我把所有人都卖了。就是想

I've just sold everyone. Just trying to

想象一下，如果有个足球经理游戏有点像《海岛大亨》，主题就是牺牲国家利益来让自己致富。对吧？

get Imagine there was a version of Football Manager that was a bit like Tropico that's about just enriching yourself at the expense of the country. Right?

有的，我觉得有个叫《Copper》的游戏，像是模拟城市风格的足球管理游戏快要推出了。

There is I think it's called Copper, like a SimCity, like, football management game coming out.

这是个好主意。

That's a good idea.

是啊。如果它还没出来的话。但是

Yeah. If it's not already come out. But

作为一个对足球不感兴趣的人，你要怎么向我推销《足球经理》？

How would you sell football manager to me as someone who's not interested in football?

我觉得我做不到。

I don't think I could.

你是真的做不到。

You genuinely couldn't.

我以前试过这个。

I've tried this before.

这 没有

It's There's no

我认为你需要很多我看起来。如果有任何听众，iGenarticleukpback@iGen.com，那是邮箱地址，玩过《Fort Madure》，尽管不了解或不喜欢足球，但还是很享受。请告诉我。

think way you need to a lot I look. If there's any listeners, iGenarticleukpback@iGen.com, that is the email, who have played Fort Madure, enjoyed it despite not knowing or liking anything about football. Do let me know.

肯定有 但是我

There must be But I

觉得这是个很难推销的东西，老实说

think it's a hard sell, to be

老实说。这里面肯定有些词句组合会让我感兴趣，你懂吗？

perfectly honest. There must be a combination of words and phrases that would interest me in this, you know?

问题是——你喜欢电子表格吗？

It's do you like spreadsheets?

是的。我喜欢电子表格。

Yeah. I like spreadsheets.

里面有很多数字。这基本上就是个关于平衡电子表格、数字和阵型的游戏。

There's a lot of numbers. It's basically a game about balancing spreadsheets and numbers and, you know, formations.

职业Excel巡回赛二零二五。

Pro Excel tour twenty twenty five.

你说过

You told

一个故事——我差一点就参与了《足球经理2013》的开发。当时我在世嘉工作，参与过很有名的《殖民陆战队》和《索尼克全明星赛车：变形》。但《足球经理》当时就在同一个办公室，本来有可能...你知道，靠着上帝的恩典，我差点就能出现在《足球经理》的致谢名单里。

story that I I very nearly worked on Football Manager 2013. I I think that would be the one where it was in I was working for Sega at the time. I worked on very famously, Colonial Marines and Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed. But Football Manager was in the office at the time, like, you know, it could have it you know, there, but by the grace of God, I could have been in the credits for Football Manager.

天啊。那可是梦想啊，对吧？嗯。不过说实话，除非你对足球感兴趣，否则确实很难推销出去。

Oh, god. That's the dream, isn't it? Mhmm. But, yeah, I I honestly, I think it's a hard sell unless you're into to football, if I'm honest.

没错。这很公平。确实如此。

No. That's fair. That's fair.

是的。我可不敢推荐给毫无兴趣的人。我想我们该聊聊《空洞骑士》了，除非有人特别想补充什么。

Yeah. I wouldn't dare wish it upon someone who had no interest. I think that's what we gotta talk about about Hollow Knight, unless anyone's got anything burning they really wanted to add to the conversation.

没关系。

It's alright.

不？不。没关系，不是吗？我觉得

No? No. It's alright, ain't it? I think

我觉得霍利

I think Holli

天啊。不，我开玩笑的。

oh god. No. I'm joking.

这很明显是一款出色的游戏。

It's quite it's quite obviously a brilliant game.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。稍作休息后我们将回来讨论一些你们的反馈。一会儿见。

Okay. We'll be back after a little break to go through some of your feedback. See you in a minute.

Game Scoop是IGN的旗舰游戏播客。说真的，听众们都知道这是唯一的电子游戏播客。我是Damon Hatfield，主持GameScoop已近二十年。每周，我们深入探讨最新的游戏新闻，并分享我们正在玩的游戏的感想，无论是全新发布的作品还是我们刚发现的90年代冷门TurboGrafx 16游戏。与我一同主持的还有长期IGN名人Sam Claiborne、Justin Davis，以及一个轮换的第四席位用于特邀嘉宾。

Game Scoop is IGN's flagship gaming podcast. Heck, listeners know it's the only video game podcast. I'm Damon Hatfield, and I've been hosting GameScoop for almost twenty years. Each week, we dive into the latest gaming news and share our thoughts on the games we're playing, whether it's a brand new release or an obscure nineties TurboGrafx 16 game we just discovered. I'm joined by longtime iGym personalities, Sam Claiborne, Justin Davis, and a rotating fourth chair for special guests.

除了最新的游戏新闻和评测，每一期Game Scoop都充满了常驻环节，如深入回顾复古游戏杂志、年度游戏观察，以及世界著名的电子游戏20问。如果你还未加入Scoop Nation，下载最新一期节目，看看为什么Game Scoop历经这么多年依然势头强劲。Game Scoop的新集每周三在Apple Podcasts、Spotify、YouTube及你获取播客的任何平台发布。Scoop。Game Scoop由IGN制作，是Geek Media播客网络的一部分。

In addition to the latest gaming news and reviews, each episode of Game Scoop is packed with recurring features like deep dives into retro game magazines, game of the year watch, and the world famous video game 20 questions. If you haven't joined Scoop Nation yet, download the latest episode and see why Game Scoop is still going strong after all these years. New episodes of Game Scoop are published every Wednesday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, and wherever you get your podcasts. Scoop. Game Scoop is produced by IGN and is part of the Geek Media Podcast Network.

Next Gen Console Watch是IGN讨论最新游戏硬件的节目，无论是PS5 Pro、任天堂Switch 2，还是Xbox的新产品。在Next Gen Console Watch上，一切皆可讨论。由我，Damon Hatfield，一位有二十年经验的IGN老将主持。我与联合主持人Ryan McCaffrey（IGN的Xbox播客Unlocked的主持人）和Max Scoville（IGN的PlayStation播客Beyond的主持人）一同主持。我会尽量让那些主机战争的讨论保持文明，但不做保证。在Apple Podcasts、Spotify或你获取播客的任何平台收听Next Console Watch。

Next gen console watch is the IGN show discussing the latest gaming hardware, whether it's a PS five Pro, Nintendo Switch two, or something new from Xbox. It's all fair game on next gen console watch hosted by me, Damon Hatfield, a twenty year iGen veteran. I'm joined by my cohost Ryan McCaffrey, host of unlocked, iGen's Xbox podcast, and Max Scoville, host of iGen's PlayStation podcast beyond. I'll try to keep those console war discussions civil, but no promises. Listen to Next Console Watch on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

新剧集每周五上线。《次世代主机观察》由IGN制作，是极客媒体播客网络的一部分。

New episodes drop every Friday. Next Gen Console Watch is produced by IGN and is part of the Geek Media Podcast Network.

数千年来，或者说至少从九十年代起，PlayStation就一直在推动电子游戏媒介的边界。而几乎同样长的时间里，《超越》节目一直在场边提供精彩解说。每周，加入包括Brian Altano、Jada Griffin和您的主持人我——Max Scoville在内的一群热情的PlayStation专家和爱好者小组。我们解读最新游戏新闻，畅谈正在游玩的游戏，与开发者和配音演员聊天，并探索不断扩展的PlayStation世界及更远领域。每周三在Apple Podcasts、Spotify或您获取播客的任何平台收听新剧集。

For thousands of years or at least since the nineties, PlayStation has been pushing the boundaries of the video game medium. And for almost that long, Beyond has been there offering color commentary from the sidelines. Each week, join a panel of passionate PlayStation experts and enthusiasts including Brian Altano, Jada Griffin, and your host, me, Max Scoville. We unpack the latest gaming news, gush about what we're playing, chat with developers and voice actors, and explore the ever growing world of PlayStation and beyond. Catch a new episode every Wednesday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

《超越》由IGN制作，隶属于

Beyond is produced by IGN and part

极客

of the

媒体播客网络。

Geek Media Podcast Network.

Junior？是的，先生。

Junior? Yes, sir.

《Cinefix百大电影》回归了。是时候继续我们的使命，观看100部有史以来最伟大的电影了，如果这听起来不错的话。

Cinefix Top 100 is back. It's time to pick up our quest to watch 100 of the greatest movies of all time, if that sounds good to you.

不，好。行。好。

No, good. Fine. Good.

而第四季将花些时间来欣赏家庭主题。本季我们将深入探讨那些关于我们为家庭所做的所有疯狂之事的电影。关于重新联系，关于争斗，以及在意想不到的地方找到家人。我是你父亲。还有什么比从一部融合了所有这些元素的电影开始更好呢，主演是我们最喜欢的、以家庭宠物狗名字命名的考古学家。

And season four is taking some time to appreciate family. This season we're diving into movies about all the crazy things we do for family. About reconnecting, about fighting, and about finding family in unexpected places. I am your father. And what better place to start than with a movie that does a little bit of all of that, starring our favorite archaeologist who named himself after the family dog.

你是以狗的名字命名的？而且

You are named after the dog? And

每周日与您的Cinefix大家庭保持联系，获取我们迄今为止最宏大的榜单系列。

stay in touch with your Cinefix family every Sunday for more of our biggest list yet.

再见了小兄弟，无忧无虑的。

See you little brother, not a worry in the world.

敬请关注Cinefix百大榜单，作为极客媒体网络的一部分，在YouTube、Spotify及您获取播客的所有平台均可收听。

Tune in to the Cinefix top 100, part of the Geek Media Network on YouTube, Spotify, and wherever you get your podcasts.

IGN_UKfeedback@IGN.com 是我们这档播客使用的简洁邮箱地址。如果您想就任何事来信，比如《空洞骑士：丝之歌》多么出色而我却表现得消极——我并没有消极，我真的很喜欢这款游戏。

IGN_UKfeedback@IGN.com. That is the snappy little email address we have here for this podcast. If you wanna write in about anything, whether it's about how Hollow Knight Silksong is great and I'm being miserable. I'm not being miserable. I really like the game.

没有任何负面情绪。或者，您知道的，关于任何话题。零食，我们最爱聊薯片了。虽然不记得这周具体读了哪些邮件，但肯定有电影、零食和YouTube视频的大杂烩。不确定是否真有零食相关的内容，这有点令人失望。

There's nothing off of it. Or, you know, about anything. Snacks, we love to talk about crisps. I'm sure I can't remember what emails I put in this week, but I'm sure there's a good old mix of films, snacks, and YouTube videos. I don't know what I don't know if there is actually any snack stuff, and that's disappointing.

得把这个话题重新捡起来。我收到了第一封邮件，是不是很贴心？来自Chris的来信：你好，UK IGN团队。好久不见，多次收听，等等。

Needs to get that back going. I've got the first email. Isn't that lovely? And it is from Chris who says, hello, UK IGN crew. Long time, many times, etcetera.

这是

It's That's

不是我们的称呼。你们

not what we're called. You

几周前提到过《空洞骑士：丝之歌》，今天咱们又他妈的聊起来了是吧Chris？似乎对此反应比较平淡。希望这次能热烈些，不过谁知道呢？

guys touched on Hollow Knight Silksong a few weeks ago, and we we bloody did it again today, Chris, didn't we? And seem to have a somewhat muted response to this. I hope it was a bit less muted this time, but who knows?

我绝对有几次因为太激动把麦克风音量爆表了。

I definitely peaked my mic a couple of times expressing excitement.

这就是为什么我们让Zoe负责红线标注。我们只是...我们这里确实不太擅长表达喜悦，所以你知道，也许我们需要在这方面改进一下。我希望现在游戏发布了，你能更详细地介绍一下。另外，我个人认为原版是有史以来最好的独立游戏之一，与《哈迪斯》这样的作品齐名。我已经偷偷玩了几个小时的续作，非常喜欢。

That's why we got Zoe in redlining. We're just we're just quite bad at expressing joy around here, so that's you know, maybe we've gotta work on that. I hope you'll be covering it in a bit more detail now it's out. Also, I personally thought the original is one of the best indie games ever made, up there with the likes of Hades. I'm already loving a few hours I've managed to sneak in with the sequel.

然而，无论你喜欢还是讨厌它，真正让我措手不及的是价格。我经常晚玩游戏，因为我有全职工作，有个小孩，现在妻子又怀孕了。哦，恭喜。恭喜。

However, no matter if you love or hate it, one thing that really caught me off guard was the price. I'm often late to games as I have a full time job, a small child, and now pregnant wife. Oh, congrats. Congrats.

是啊。恭喜。

Yeah. Congrats.

所以等我玩到它们的时候，这些游戏（我猜是指游戏而不是家人）已经降价甚至能买二手了。但我对《丝之歌》很期待，所以决定首发入手。我在原版单次通关上花了50个小时，而且我知道它获得了巨大的人气。所以尽管是独立游戏，我以为可能会卖30甚至40英镑。

So by the time I get to them, these are the games, not the family members, I presume. They are reduced or even bought secondhand. I was excited for Silksong though, so I decided to get it a launch. I spent fifty hours on my single playthrough of the original, and I know it has gained massive popularity. So despite being it being an indie game, I was thinking it would maybe be 30 or even £40.

当我打开Switch商店发现只要16.75英镑时，简直不敢相信。这让年度最佳游戏之一的价格实际上低于《忍者神龟》的一个皮肤和《使命召唤》。这就是我们生活的世界。仔细想想这太疯狂了，不是吗？而且你知道，我是《使命召唤》的忠实玩家。

When I opened the Switch door and found out it was only £16.75, I couldn't believe it. This puts one of the best games of the year at a price point where it's actually less than a single Teenage Mutant Ninja's turtle skin and Call of Duty. This is the world we're living in. And that is bonkers when you think about it, isn't it? And I am, you know, I am a sucker for Call of Duty.

我每年都会玩，但这太疯狂了。我不会为这些皮肤花钱，因为这太荒谬了。

I will play it every year, but it is insane. I do not give them the money for these kids because it is absurd.

你买了终结者皮肤吗？

You did buy the Terminator?

我...我钱包里还有剩余的游戏币。我没有额外往那个游戏里充钱。我才不会上当。不过话说回来，让阿诺·施瓦辛格在我们的对局里走来走去，对他想杀的人说'去你妈的'，这还是挺值的。Chris想知道你对现代游戏价格有什么看法，甚至我们大家有什么看法？

I I had leftover coins in my wallet. I did not put extra money into that game. I'm not falling for that. But then again, it is worth it to have Arnold Schwarzenegger just walk around our apps saying fuck you to anyone who who he tries to kill. Chris wants to know what are your thoughts, what are our thoughts even, on the price of modern games?

我觉得《丝之歌》是无与伦比的实惠。近期有些游戏可能配得上80.80英镑的价格标签——这个令人反胃的价格似乎正在成为常态。如果《GTA6》卖到100英镑，那甚至可能物有所值，而且我们都知道人们仍然会买。但我担心这会给EA和育碧这样的公司开绿灯，让他们把这种价格贴在他们每年回收利用的碳复制体育游戏上。用Chris的话说，就是'狗屎一样的第三人称射击游戏'。

I felt Singsong is an unparalleled bargain. Some games in the near future may warrant the £80.80 pound price tag that sickeningly seems to be coming the norm. And if GTA six arrives at £100, that might even be value for money, and we all know people will still buy it. But my worry is this will give the likes of EA and Ubisoft license to slap that price on their yearly recycled carbon copy sports games. And this is Chris' words, dog shit third person shooters.

尊重海洋，尊重Team Cherry。谢谢Chris。我也稍微惊讶它这么便宜，因为他们如果想的话，完全可以轻易地收取双倍价格。

Respect the sea and respect team Cherry. Thanks, Chris. I was also slightly surprised that it was that cheap, because they could easily have charged double if they wanted.

我是说，甚至还有传闻说价格会是20美元、20英镑、20欧元。对。然后，你知道，实际上就是20美元，但最终定价其实很合理。

I mean, even think that there were reports going around that it was gonna be $20, £20, €20. Yeah. And then, yeah, it just, you know, dollars 20, but then actually appropriate pricing.

我觉得这应该说是多方因素共同造成的。

Think it's I mean, a combination blame.

哦，抱歉。

Oh, sorry.

没事，继续说吧。

No. Go on.

我想说的是，首先Team Cherry知道这款游戏会卖出海量拷贝，所以很乐意不收取高价。其次，这感觉像是给玩家的一份真诚馈赠，就像在感谢大家长久的等待。他们似乎还想说——

I was gonna say, I think it's a combination of number one, Team Cherry knows that they're gonna sell a bajillion copies of it. So pretty, like, happy not charging loads for it. And also, just feel like it's like, it's a it's a very kind, genuinely lovely thing to do for your audience. It's like a thank you for how long it's taken to get out. They're like, Also

要明白尽管媒体曝光度很高，但这本质上仍算小众产品。极度硬核的探索类游戏并非人见人爱，这个定价或许正符合它的定位。

understand that despite the level of press and exposure, it is still kind of a niche product. An incredibly challenging exploration game is not necessarily everybody's cup of tea. Maybe it's priced appropriately for that.

其实我也听说过Team Cherry的作风。他们非常封闭——不是因为他们远在澳大利亚，而是他们似乎不关注游戏行业动态、其他游戏或流行趋势。完全就是埋头做自己的东西，与世隔绝地开发，最后发布成品。

In fact, I've heard about Team Cherry as well. They're very insulated. I'm not saying that because they're in Australia on the other side of the world, but, like, it seems they don't really look at the games industry or other games or really what's going on or trends. They're very much just like, oh, we're making our own things, stick to ourselves, we'll release it, and that's what they've done.

这点我特别敬佩。

Which I respect so much.

今早Rock Paper Shotgun有篇文章提到游戏里可能藏有《远征33》的彩蛋。这说明他们显然也玩其他游戏，是真心喜欢游戏的。但这个彩蛋的出现有点意外，让我觉得他们其实比表面看起来更关注业界。

There was a story from Rock Paper Shotgun early today that there might be an Expedition 33 reference in there. So that maybe that I mean, clearly, they play other stuff. They'd like video games. But, yeah, it's odd that that's in there. That kind of, like, suggested to me that they're more aware than they're laying on.

嗯。我记得之前讨论过有些游戏涨价到80美元的现象，几个月前我们就聊过这是行业趋势。确实偶尔有合理涨价的特殊情况，但这不该成为常态。

Mhmm. I think we talked about the prior when it was announced some games are going to eight, you could. I think we talked about that a few months back and how it's the way it's going. I do think there are rare occurrences where it does Mhmm. Warrant it, but then that it shouldn't be the norm.

而且我认为这还没有成为常态，这是好事。你仍然能看到，比如《无主之地》今天发售——等这个视频发布时应该就是今天了——那款游戏是60还是70英镑来着？我觉得是70。但他们没有涨到80英镑。像这样跳到80英镑的游戏还不多。

And I don't think it has become the norm yet, which is good. You still see, like I think Borderlands is out, what, today when this will be released, and that's 60 or 70, I think. 70. But they they didn't go up to 80. Like, not many have made the jump to 80.

我知道《天外世界2》是80英镑，我们会等着看这个定价是否合理。我同意GTA6确实可以随便定价。我们其实不太清楚他们在那款游戏上的策略，比如是否包含在线模式还是分开收费。所以这个还得观望。确实如此。

I know the Outer Worlds two is £80, and we'll wait to see if that's if that warrants the price. I do agree GTA six could cost whatever they want to. We don't know really what they're doing with that game in regards to if online's included or if that's a separate thing. So we'll have to wait and see on that. And it is true.

就算他们卖100英镑，大家照样会买。在某种程度上，你也可以说这合理，如果你不想单纯用时间换算价值的话。对吧？因为这样就会陷入我之前提出的论点：如今花20英镑看两小时电影，也可以花80英镑玩一百小时游戏。你不能简单地用时间来等价衡量。

They could charge a 100 and everyone would still buy it. And to an extent, you could argue, it warrants it if like, you don't just wanna put hours to pounds on a thing. Right? Because then we do get into the argument I've made before of, like, well, you pay £20 to go to cinema these days for two hours, and you can pay £80 for a hundred hours. Like, you just can't equate time like that necessarily.

一杯啤酒都要8英镑呢，老兄。

£8 for a pint, mate.

没错。那玩意儿两分钟就喝完了，因为

Exactly. That takes two minutes to down to down to drink because it's

史上最慢的干杯。

The slowest down of all time.

我刚等了你两分钟才喝完一杯。

I just waited for you to down a drink for two minutes.

就像那个'早安'视频里的人在泳池上悬停一分钟那样。对，对。简直

It's like that that, like, good morning video of the guy that's hovering above the pool for a minute. Yeah. Yeah. Just

是啊。所以就坐着看我喝两分钟。嗯...我不知道。游戏确实越来越贵了，不过就这样吧。

yeah. So stay and watch me drink for two minutes. Yeah. I I don't know. This games again were expensive, but yeah.

我觉得市场要么接受这个价格，要么会自我调整。如果大家不愿意买单...是的...游戏就不会维持这个价格了。

I think the market will either bear it or adjust to it. Like, if people aren't gonna pay for it Yeah. Games will stop being that price.

目前世界经济正处于一个非常动荡的时期。你知道吗？很多关税在变动，整体科技产品价格都在上涨，只是

The world is in a very economically flouncing place at the moment. You know? A lot of tariffs going, a lot of technology prices in general rising, just

还有生活成本也是。比如食品价格太疯狂了。看着一个游戏的价格就会想，这够我买三次食品杂货了。是啊。

As well as, like, cost of living. Like, it's wild to Food. Look at a game and be like, that is for me, that's three food shops. Like Yeah.

是啊。我

Yeah. I

可能该去吃点东西了，你知道吧？就像

should probably eat, you know? Like

没错。有个论点认为

Yeah. There's an argument to

真正精明的定价策略应该认识到，除了直接变现外还有其他盈利方式。比如他们可以在大黄蜂玩偶上市第一天就卖出1亿个，对吧？还可以做品牌衍生品，可以出售电影改编权。

be made too that, like, a really smart understanding of pricing recognizes that there are other ways to make a profit other than direct monetization, where they would sell 100,000,000 hornet plushies on the first day of them existing. Right? Like Yeah. There's brand stuff that you can do. You can sell the rights to the movie version of this.

还可以为其他项目提供咨询，比如告诉他们'我会这么做'。

You can consult on other projects to like, hey, I would have done this.

网飞动画剧集。

Netflix anime series.

没错。人们接触这个产品的途径越多，品牌价值就越高，能赚的钱也越多。所以说游戏必须涨价...我个人觉得这种观点太短视了。

Exactly. The more ways that people have an opportunity to engage with this product, the better the brand proposition becomes, and the more money that you can make from that. So to say that games have to raise in price is I don't know. I think it's myopic, personally.

是啊。更应该关注的是制作成本，对吧？这些成本才应该下降，从而降低售价。真的不应该花七年时间和三亿美元来做一款游戏。

Yeah. It's more, you know, looking at the production costs. Right? And it's those that should be going down, which therefore bring the price down, really. It shouldn't be taking seven years and 300,000,000 to make a game.

嗯。但接下来你得考虑

Mhmm. But then you have to look at

除非你是能在一天内赚30亿的GTA。

Unless you are a GTA who will make 3,000,000,000 in a day.

当然。生产成本会基于制造问题（比如光盘之类的）而下降。嗯。但是，你知道，还有通货膨胀。对吧？

Sure. Production costs would be coming down based on, you know, manufacturing issues like discs and whatever. Mhmm. But, you know, there are inflation. Right?

比如，你的人力成本肯定会涨价，只是为了匹配，你知道，这应该是正常现象。所以是的，在某些方面它们确实变得更贵，而在其他方面则不然。我觉得可能正好抵消了。

Like, your staffing costs are definitely going to go up in price, just to match, you know, that's what should be happening. So yeah, they do get more expensive in certain ways and not in others. I think it probably just balances out.

这就对了。

There we go.

我对经济学一窍不通。我只是喜欢假装懂。

I don't know anything about economics. I just like to pretend.

我我喜欢艺术，你知道。是的。而且我知道我不能忽视它的商业方面，但是

I I like the art, you know. Yeah. And I know I can't just ignore the business side of it, but

我曾经买过一次东西，然后它就变成了我的全部生活。

I bought stuff once, and then it became my entire life.

没错。佐伊，下一封邮件该你了。

Exactly. Zoe, you've got the next email.

我来。

I do.

现在要来个急转弯，转向另一种艺术形式。

Gonna take a hard right turn to another art form.

大家好。我最近看了《博很害怕》。看完后，我也害怕了。希望时间过去够久，你们可以讨论这部电影。它用奇幻和荒诞来提升焦虑感，但又足够接地气，让观众有共鸣。

Hi, team. I recently watched Bo is Afraid. By the end of it, I was afraid. I hope enough time has passed that you can discuss this. It has a level of fantasy and silliness that it uses to elevate anxiety, but remains grounded enough to make it relatable to the viewer.

我觉得它用奇幻元素让你在焦虑状态中进进出出，让你放松警惕后再一次被击中。如果目的是让观众感觉糟糕，这很厉害。但这样持续三个小时就显得有点虐待狂了。我其实第二天看了《梦之安魂曲》，不知道它讲什么。我不推荐这样。

I think it uses the fantastical elements to tease you in and out of an anxious state so that you're off guard enough that it catches you again. This is great if it's your goal to make the viewer feel awful. To then do this for three hours seems sadistic. I actually watched Requiem for a Dream the day after this, not knowing what it was about. I do not recommend this.

我很难向别人推荐这部电影。有点像伊万·麦格雷戈的《大鱼》，但如果他的一生都很糟糕。你觉得这部电影是为了什么？是纯粹的艺术形式吗？我觉得很难称之为娱乐，但同时，我很高兴看了它。

I'm having a hard time selling the film to anyone else. It's sort of like Big Fish with Ewan McGregor, but if all his life was awful. What do you think this film was for? Is this a pure form of art? I think I'd struggle to call it entertainment, but at the same time, I'm glad I watched it.

我也想听听你们的任何理论。谢谢你们的播客。我每周五都期待。爱你的，埃迪。

I'd love to hear any theories you have too. Thanks for the pod. I look forward to it every Friday. Love, Eddie.

真的，真的和埃迪一样觉得你应该看第二遍。我我我觉得它

Really, really feel like Eddie with the you should watch it a second time. I I I feel like it's

连我都没那么做。

Even I haven't done that.

老兄。我觉得第一次看是故意让人迷失方向，就像，我从没看过这样的电影。到底在发生什么？而第二次看时，你才能真正把它当作一部荒诞喜剧来体验。顺便说一句，我指的是《博很害怕》，不是《梦之安魂曲》。

Dude. I think it is disorienting deliberately the first time to be like, I've never seen a movie like this before. What the hell is going on? And on a second viewing, you are able to actually experience it as a piece of camp comedy. I'm talking about Bo's Afraid, not Requiem for a Dream, by the way.

是的。哦，是的。《梦之安魂曲》里根本没什么可笑的。而《博很害怕》实际上相当

Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's there is literally nothing to laugh about in Requiem for a Dream. Whereas Bo's Afraid is So actually quite so

好笑是关键。但你需要熟悉它才能觉得好笑。我觉得它在这方面很奇妙。第二次看是完全不同的观影体验。

funny is the thing. But you need the familiarity in order to find it funny. I feel like it's it it's kind of wonderful in that. That it's a totally different viewing experience the second time.

我只在影院看过一次。我觉得是时机问题。可以说，这是我最不喜欢的阿里亚斯电影。我们其实还没聊过《埃丁顿》。我看过那部。

I've only seen it once since it's cinema. And I think it's about the time. Like, it's my least favorite Arias, the film. We haven't actually spoke about Eddington. I've seen it.

我没看过

I haven't

看过。

seen it.

我几周前看了。我真的很喜欢。这片子评价非常两极分化，从一星到五星都有，说实话我觉得这种作品往往最精彩。总之，如果还没看《埃丁顿》，我推荐去看看。

I've seen a couple weeks ago. I really, really liked it. And it is proved very divisive, like, you know, from one star to five star stuff, which to me is always the best stuff, to be honest. But yeah. If you haven't seen Eddington, I'd recommend seeing that.

它真的和他其他电影都不一样。但我喜欢《恐惧嗡嗡》。不算热爱。我觉得前三分之一很棒，是部很好的焦虑喜剧，很有滑稽闹剧的笑点。

It's unlike any of his other films, really. But I liked Buzz Afraid. I didn't love it. Like, I do think the first third is great. Like, it's just a really good, just, like, really anxious comedy, like and it's very funny, like, in a slapstick way.

我特别喜欢最后半小时到四十分钟，尤其是某个重大揭秘时刻。

And I really like the last, like, half an hour to forty minutes, especially one big reveal, so to speak.

我觉得你只是不喜欢戏中戏那段。

I think you just don't like the the play in a play sequence.

我不喜欢整个森林片段。

I don't like that whole forest sequence.

拖得太长了，老兄。确实。

Just goes on way too long, man. It's Yeah.

那段确实不太行。总的来说我觉得这部电影挺娱乐的。其实我想说它不仅仅是部分有趣，整体都很有娱乐性，我觉得很好笑。

It's not it's not great that bit at all. In terms of is I do think the film's entertaining. I actually would say that it's not just a piece of it. It's entertaining. Like, it is funny, I think.

但说到底，是的，这是一部关于一个有着深刻父母创伤的男人的三小时焦虑噩梦，并不总是最有趣的观影体验。但我很享受。

But it is ultimately, yeah, a three hour anxiety nightmare about a man with very deep set parental trauma, which isn't always the most fun thing to watch. But I enjoyed it.

我觉得它很棒。

I think it's great.

是啊，是啊。佐伊，你看过吗？没有。如果你还没看过，我们说服你了吗？

Yeah. Yeah. Have you seen it, Zoe? No. Have we sold it to you if you haven't?

绝对地，我不得不关掉《降临》，因为我太紧张了。那部电影太精彩了。我真的不太能处理引发焦虑的电影。

Absolute I had to turn off arrival because I got too stressed with that. That's so brilliant. I really don't deal very well with anxiety inducing slips slashes.

好吧，也许这部电影不适合你。

Well, maybe this is not the film for you.

我勉强看完了《爆裂鼓手》，就这样。然后我就想，我再也不这样做了。

I just about made it through Whiplash and that was it. Then I was like, I'm never doing this again.

这些好像都是我最喜欢的一些电影。不知道这说明了什么

These are all like some of my favorite films. I don't know what that says

关于...我觉得《爆裂鼓手》很棒，但是天啊。再也不看了。我

about I think Whiplash was fantastic, but oh my god. Never again. I

确实...随着我年纪增长，这很奇怪。我发现我通过看一些，嗯，非常紧张的电影来放松。

do send I've more I got older. It's weird. I find myself relaxing by watching really, like, yeah, highly strong.

我觉得

I think

这是别人的不幸。

it's it's other people's misery.

是啊，是啊。

Yeah. Yeah.

其实这是种心理准备。我觉得当你知道会发生什么时，反而能主动放松；但如果你毫无准备地去看，压力就太大了。我看电影时特别不擅长应对这种情况。比如我看了很多电影，但经常在维基百科上先读剧情简介，因为直接看会让我焦虑，我知道这听起来很离谱。

It's actually Shading for it. I think it's actively relaxing when you know what's gonna happen, but if you go into it and you don't know what's gonna happen, it's so stressful. And I'm really bad at that for movies. Like, I watch a lot of movies. I'm read a lot of movie summaries on Wikipedia because I get stressed watching them, which is wild, I know.

但是

But

哦对了，看获奖大片可别这样。那样会彻底剧透的，相当于你已经看过了。

Oh, yeah. Don't do that for prestige. That'll spoil it that way. You've already seen it.

我已经看过了，而且你知道我的看法——显然就是沉默以对。

I've already seen it, and you know my thoughts on it, which is just silence, apparently.

确实。不过我还是很推荐《爱丁顿》给大家。但真的会推荐吗？其实不会。这么说有点勉强，因为这是部争议很大的电影。

Yeah. But, yeah, I'd recommend Eddington a lot to anyone. Would I recommend that to anyone? Actually, no. That's a stretch because it's a very divisive film.

但如果你愿意回到2020年新冠时期的辉煌岁月，那就沉浸进去吧。好了，最后是马特的邮件。

But if you are willing to jump back into those glory COVID years of 2020, get stuck in. But yeah. The final email, Matt.

我超想读这封。来自戴夫的信说：嗨，卡迪天使们。抱歉再次打扰，但我想为卡迪最近承认沉迷YouTube上的《航空实录》辩护。没错，我也走过这条既羞耻又辉煌的道路。

I would love to read this. And it's from Dave who says, hi, Cardi's Angels. Sorry to bother you again, but I just wanted to write in to defend Cardi's recent admission of binging Airline on YouTube. Yes. I too have walked that shameful yet glorious path.

我不仅自己掉进了这个兔子洞，还把妻子也拖了下来。

And not only did I fall down that rabbit hole, but I dragged my wife down with me.

哦，不。

Oh, no.

情况糟到我妻子居然发推文了，或者现在叫X了？给利奥，就是那个所谓的明星之一。当他回复时，她咯咯笑得像追星成功一样。说实话，如果你谷歌一下利奥近期的法律纠纷，那可不是什么值得炫耀的事。我选择不这么做。

It got so bad that my wife actually tweeted, or is it x'd? Leo, one of the quote unquote stars. And when he replied, she giggled like she was starstruck. Admittedly, if you Google Leo's more recent legal adventures, it's not exactly something to brag about. I'm choosing not to do that.

哦，真的吗？我我嗯。你有。能告诉你。是什么事？

Oh, really? I I Yeah. You have. Can tell you. What is it?

他，因为跟踪GB新闻的一位主持人而上法庭了。

He, went to court for for stalking a GB News presenter.

哇。哦，

Wow. Oh,

天啊。哎呀。不过下一句才是真正的危险，但也许那就是利奥吧。我不知道法庭对此是怎么判决的。

dear. Yikes. I was the next line is the real danger though, but perhaps that's Leo. I don't know how the court ruled on that one.

我觉得他是有罪的。嗯。

I think he was gooey. Yeah.

总之，真正的危险在于算法。我的推荐现在成了2000年代初真人秀内容的坟场，妻子互换、假期对决、90天未婚夫。我们真该请戴尔来聊聊这个。不过，有一个比《航空公司》更吸引我的内容。安德鲁·斯通的合集。

Anyway, the real danger, though, the algorithm. Mine is now a graveyard of early 2000s reality TV content, wife swap, holiday showdown, ninety Day Fiance. We should have had Dale on for this one. Anyway, but there has been one that's captured me far more than Airline did. Andrew Stone compilations.

你们

Do you

知道安德鲁是谁

guys know who Andrew

斯通是谁？

Stone is?

不知道。

No idea.

他是菠萝舞蹈工作室的成员。我觉得如果你谷歌搜一下他，可能会认出他的脸。

He was a a member of the Pineapple Dance Studios. I think if you googled him, you might recognize his face.

他是不是那个说‘他们抓不到我，我快得像只灵缇犬’的家伙？

Is he the one who does, they can't catch me. I'm like a whippet. That guy.

我不...我想那是路易斯·斯彭斯吗？

I don't I think is that Louis Spence?

哦，不。我觉得...

Oh, no. I think that

是他的...我不知道谁说的是哪个。听着，我觉得他看起来有点像Steps乐队的H和罗德·斯图尔特的结合体，但更娘一些。不过

is his I don't know who says which. Look. I think if you he kinda looks like a cross between h from steps and Rod Stewart, but even camper. But

不，我不认识这个人。

No. I do not know this man.

戴夫说什么了？戴夫说什么了？

What what does what does Dave say?

嗯，有个彻头彻尾的疯子制作了一系列叫做《安德鲁·斯通录音带》的视频。我超爱看。说实话，我足足有二十多分钟都以为他是个虚构角色，后来才意识到这不是剧本。我没看过兄弟帮。是叫Bros还是Brose？

Well, some absolutely lunatic has created a series of videos called the Andrew Stone tapes. I am here for it. Honestly, I thought he was a fictional character for a good twenty minutes before I realized it wasn't scripted. I haven't seen the bro Bros. Is it Bros or is it Brose?

是的。Bros活动。这也是我听说的。就是那种感觉，好像这不可能是真的，但绝对是真的。我应该找个时间去看看。

Yes. The Bros event. This is what I've also heard. This is, that great feeling of, like, this can't be real, but it absolutely is. I should do it someday.

一直有这个打算。

Keep meaning to.

太棒了。

So good.

总之，说实话，在意识到这不是剧本之前，我足足有二十分钟以为这是个虚构角色。他就是现实版的大卫·布伦特，但可能更加浑然不觉。我强烈推荐。真的，这个人简直就是纯粹浓缩尴尬的艺术形式。目前最经典的语录是：一夜成名需要十年功夫，而我已经干了十五年了。

Anyway, honestly, I thought it was a fictional character a good twenty minutes before I realized it wasn't scripted. He is a real life David Brent, but perhaps maybe even more oblivious. I cannot recommend it enough. Truly, the man is an art form of pure concentrated cringe. Top quote so far being, it takes ten years to be an overnight success, and I've been doing this for fifteen.

真的非常非常棒。

It's really, really good.

那其实挺搞笑的。

That's actually very funny.

是啊。还有，

Yeah. Also,

那有点像是如果他认真的话。我的意思是，

that's kind of If he meant it. I mean,

那那有点非常不神圣的蛋白酥皮，说实话。是的。

that's That's kind very ungodk meringue y, honestly. Yeah.

总之，他们继续说，所以西蒙，别听那些黑子的话。

Anyway, they continue to say, so Simon, don't listen to the haters.

我不认识你

I don't know you're

勇敢面对那些讨厌你的人。

bracing the haters.

也许是一些困惑的不理解者吧。是的。让YouTube之神带你深入糟糕真人秀的档案库。当然，你的尊严会逐渐消磨。纯粹的夜晚再也不会无聊了。

Some bemused lack of understanders, perhaps. Yeah. Let the YouTube gods take you deep into archives of awful reality shows. Sure, your dignity will erode. Pure evenings will never be boring again.

继续保持出色的工作。戴夫，我想不出怎么提到我妻子爷爷的骨灰。

Keep up the great work. Dave, can't think of a way to reference my wife's grandpa's ashes.

哦，好吧。有太多根深蒂固的我们

Oh, good. There's too many deep set We're

不会带你走过这个'不'。

not gonna walk you through the no.

抱歉。这一切都始于上周，对不起。我承认掉进了一个很深的YouTube坑，看了很多《航空》的剪辑集。你看过那个节目吗？在两千年初的时候？

Sorry. This all started because last week sorry. Admit to falling down a deep YouTube hole watching lots of compilations of Airline. Did you ever watch that No. In the early two thousands?

停播之类的东西。

Stops and stuff like that.

是的。那很经典。太棒了。

Yeah. That's class. That's amazing.

它太好了。真的是魔法。但是，是的，我最近几天有点放弃了，因为它开始变得有点重复。我不介意。能嘲笑那些迟到十分钟还生气的人也就那么多，但我还在继续看。

It's so good. It really is magic. But, yeah, I've kind of fallen off the last couple of days because it was getting a little repetitive. I won't mind. There's only so many people that are late by ten minutes and get angry that you can laugh at, but I'm still doing it.

但你知道，关键在于他们处理的方式。完全正确。这些都是爵士标准曲目，对吧？而且他们如何，你知道，超越常规

But it's, you know, it's the way that they Exactly. They're jazz standards. Right? And it's how they, you know, get outside of

然后呢，大概四分之一的情况你会同情他们，因为就像，好吧。确实。这次是他不讲道理。比如有个家伙，他们坚信他醉得不能乘机，他就站在那里说'我只喝了两杯香蒂'。他带着特别浓的爱尔兰口音

And then, like, one in four you do sympathize with because they're like, okay. Yeah. He's just being unreasonable here. Like, there was one guy who they were, like, convinced was too drunk to fly, and he was just standing there going, I've had two shanties. He just had, like, a really, like I I think he had a really, like, deep Irish accent.

听起来像口齿不清，但其实不是——他只是个喝了几杯的年长乘客。根本没到不能飞行的程度。他就站着问'发生什么事了？'然后镜头切到那个拒绝他登机的工作人员

It sounded like he was slurring, but he wasn't he was just an older guy who'd had a couple of drinks. He wasn't too drunk to fly. He's just standing. He's like, what's going on? And then they cut to the guy who won't let him on after.

那人说'是啊'。我觉得他其实完全符合乘机条件，但连面都没见的机长就直接认定他醉酒。这就是2005年2月的易捷航空。哇哦

He's like, yeah. I think he was probably actually fine to fly, but the captain who hadn't even seen or spoke to him decided he was too drunk to fly. That's easyJet for you in 02/2005. Wow.

确实

Yeah.

就是这样。所以每周我是不是该

There you go. So every week, should I just

带一家新航空公司

bring a new airline and

和一艘船来讨论

a boat to the table.

其实我们该有自己的专题。如果你想邮件投稿的话

Well, we should we should have our own, really. Like, if you wanna email it.

可以做个新特别节目。没错

Be a new special. Yeah.

空中故事。

Air stories.

你应该每周做一种不同的交通方式，你应该做《甲板之下》来了解

You should do a different type of transport each week, you should do below deck to get

船上的故事。

boats on there.

看吧。我从来没看过《甲板

See. I've never watched Below

之下》。我觉得你会爱上《甲板之下》的。天啊。我受不了。

Deck ever. I think you would love Below Deck. God. I can't.

我真的看不下去。那里有

I can't genuinely watch There's

很多内容呢。所以，是的，你可以挑选最想关注哪个国家的版本。

quite a lot of it too. So, yeah, you can kinda pick and choose which which country you most wanna follow.

不过我想听听大家在机场最搞笑或最可怕的登机故事。那可以成为一个新的特别节目。我喜欢这个主意。顺便说一下，过去我们做过溺水特辑、三明治特辑和挖坟特辑。天啊。所以现在我觉得我们该做航空公交车站特辑了。

I would like to know people's funniest or horrific check-in stories though at airports. That could be a new that could be a new special. I like it. We've done just for reference, in the past, we've done drowning special, the sandwich special, and the grave digging special. Oh my So now I think we're we're on airline bus stop special.

挖坟特辑。听起来太

Graveyard digging special. That sounds so

哦，你来晚了。你可以去听。那是几个月前的事了。不过，是的，还没有什么能超越三明治特辑。

Oh, you're too late. You can listen to it. It was a couple of months back. But, yeah, nothing that still beats the sandwich special.

我想知道飞机餐到底是怎么回事。

I wanna know what the deal with airplane food is.

你知道吗？其实我还挺喜欢飞机餐的。

Do you know what? I actually quite like airplane food.

是啊，还行吧，不算难吃。

Yeah. It's alright. It's not awful.

我喜欢有人在我坐着的时候给我送餐。

I like someone just bringing me food when I'm sat down.

之前私下说过，但我实在没法抱怨一顿免费餐。那根本不在我的词汇表里。

Have said this before, off air, but I have no ability to complain about a free meal. That's just not vocabulary to do.

它包含在...比如说，你知道，每家航空公司——好吧，我坐过的每家航空公司，如果是长途航班，餐食都包含在票价里。如果有选择，他们会说，好的，这餐10英镑。你愿意付10英镑买这顿饭吗？还是你需要些别的？对吧？

It was include like, say, you know, like every airline well, I say every every airline I go on, right, if it's long haul, the meal is included in the price. If you have the option, they're like, okay, it's £10. Would you pay £10 for the meal? Or do need some Right?

我有我

I have I

没有。你必须

have No. You have to

自带，你必须自带所有食物和饮料。嗯，除了水。

bring on you you have to bring on all your own food and drink of that. Well, apart from water.

但那样的话，我，嗯，我会接受，仅仅因为那会是一顿热餐，而我刚刚一直坐在飞机上。对吧？就像，如果必须自己准备，他们就不会提供给我了

But then I, like, I would take it if only because it's gonna be a hot meal while I've just been like sitting around board. Right? Like, if I had to take it on myself, they wouldn't be providing me

我从来不会带吃的上飞机，顶多带一包糖果和一些水。我甚至从没想过带个三明治什么的。得说实话，感觉怪怪的。

I never bring on my I bring on maybe like a pack of sweets and some water. I never even think of like bringing on a sandwich. Need to lie. It feels weird.

但我也觉得航空餐就像拆小礼物一样，飞行中途给你惊喜，懂吗？虽然不是完全未知的盲盒，某种程度上确实算是，但我就是喜欢有人过来给我发零食和饮料。

But also I feel like having airline feeling is like I'm wrapping a little present, like halfway through your flight, you know? It's like, it's not mystery unboxing. I'm gonna guess in certain ways it definitely is, but it's just I like someone coming around offering me snacks and drinks.

没错。是的。我会把整块黄油塞进一个小面包卷里

Exactly. Yes. I will stick a whole chunk of butter into a tiny roll

哦，绝对同意。是的。

Oh, for absolutely. Yeah.

是啊。我前几天坐飞机来着。前几天？前...

Yeah. I would just I was on a fight the other day. Other day? Other

周？你确实坐了。现在感觉坐飞机都成奢侈享受了。我知道。就像明星，比如喜剧演员功成名就后，说的东西都不接地气了，比如“让我聊聊我坐的那趟航班”

week? You did. It feels like bougie these days. I know. This is like when celebrity, like, when a comedian is, like, who made it big and all of the stuff is unrelatable anymore, like let me tell you about the flight I was on.

大概是三周前吧，是趟英航航班。发餐的那个空乘，就是宣传视频里出现过的其中一位。好吧。B A L。

It was, like, three weeks ago, but it was a British Airways flight. And it was one of the guy giving me my food. It was one of the guys in the intro video. Okay. B a l.

他还说“哦，那是我”。然后晚餐时多给了我一个面包卷。我当时就觉得，这绝对是全航空公司最棒的员工。嗯。所以向你致敬。

And he was like, oh, there I am. And then he gave me a second bread roll dinner. And I was like, this is the best guy in the whole airline. Mhmm. So shout out to you.

我不记得你的名字了，但那位中年男士，你太棒了。谢谢你。他大概不会听这个播客吧？但不管怎样。我想本期IGN UK播客就到这里了。

I don't remember your name, but middle aged man, you were great. Thank you. He probably doesn't listen to this, does he? But there we go. I think that's it for another episode of the IGN UK podcast.

请务必记住，我真的很想强调，这一点非常重要。请记住IGN UK播客属于极客媒体播客网络。

Do remember, and I really like, we cannot stress this enough. It's very important. Do remember the IGN UK podcast is part of the Geek Media Podcast Network.

谢谢提醒

Thank you for reminding And

IGN娱乐品牌。你可以去看看我们的其他播客，马特，上面有很多很棒的节目。你最喜欢哪一个？我

IGN Entertainment brand. You can, you know, check out our other podcasts. There's so many great ones on there, Matt. What's your favorite one? I

是的。你

yep. Do

喜欢它们吗？我超爱整个极客媒体网络，我们就说到这里吧。非常感谢你加入我们，佐伊。

you love them? I love the whole Geek Media Network, and we'll leave it at that. Thank you so much for joining us, Zoe.

谢谢邀请。这次对话很有趣。

Thank you for having me. It's been interesting.

好吧。也许这意味着你可能会再来。

Okay. Well, maybe that's a maybe for coming back.

不，不。这次真的很棒。

No. No. It's been great.

嗯，我们不会忘记那些有威望的内容。所以你可能没法决定是否

Well, we won't forget the prestige stuff. So it might not be in your hands whether you

太好了。有点威胁的意味。我喜欢。

Great. Vaguely threatening. I love it.

好的。最喜欢斐济二十四七的有史以来最佳游戏播客。我不确定那是否属于极客媒体。嗯，我希望它

Okay. Liked Fiji twenty four seven's best ever game podcast. I don't know if that's in the Geek Media. Well I hope it

如果不是，我们会把它变成那样。这样如何？好吧。那再见了。

is. If not, we'll turn that in we'll turn this into that. How about that? Okay. Goodbye then, I guess.

再见。再见。想要获取Xbox这个永远繁忙、不断变化的世界的最新消息和讨论，请务必关注《Unlocked》。这是IGN的每周Xbox节目，由自2002年2月起就专业报道Xbox的Ryan McCaffrey主持，还有从小玩Xbox长大的Xbox专家兼超级粉丝Miranda Sanchez。

Bye. Bye. For all the latest news and discussion around the always busy and always changing world of Xbox, be sure to check out Unlocked. It's IGN's weekly Xbox show hosted by Ryan McCaffrey, who's been covering Xbox professionally since 02/2002. Miranda Sanchez, an Xbox expert and super fan who's been playing Xbox since she was a kid.

以及Xbox根基深厚的RPG大师Michael Haim。《Unlocked》新集每周四在Apple Podcasts、Spotify及您获取节目的所有平台上线，完整视频版本可在ign.com和YouTube观看。《Unlocked》由IGN制作，属于极客媒体播客网络的一部分。

And Michael Haim, an RPG guru whose Xbox roots run deep. New episodes of Unlocked drop every Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever you get your shows with full video versions on ign.com and YouTube. Unlocked is produced by IGN and part of the Geek Media Podcast Network.

我是Steve Downs，士官长Sierra-117的配音者，您正在收听的是全球排名第一的Xbox播客《Podcast Unlocked》。现在，完成这场战斗。士官长完毕。

This is Steve Downs, the voice of Master Chief Sierra one one seven, and you're listening to Podcast Unlocked, the world's number one Xbox Podcast. Now, finish this fight. Master Chief out.

对任天堂粉丝来说，这是极其激动人心的一年。任天堂Switch 2终于来了，有太多内容值得深入探讨。这就是为什么我们在每周四录制《Nintendo Voice Chat》，以捕捉任天堂定期公告的所有重大新闻，然后在每周五早上发布新集。想要获取最新的Switch 2更新、第一印象和热烈讨论，请收听NVC，即IGN的每周任天堂节目，由我Logan Plant主持。我很高兴能与一群出色的任天堂专家小组——Rebecca Valentine、Jada Griffin和Seth Macy——一起带领节目进入新时代。

It's an incredibly exciting year for Nintendo fans. The Nintendo Switch two is finally here, and there's so much to dive into. That's why we record Nintendo voice chat on Thursdays to catch all the big news from Nintendo's regular announcements, then release new episodes every Friday morning. For the latest Switch two updates, first impressions, and lively discussion, tune in to NVC, IGN's weekly Nintendo show hosted by me, Logan Plant. I'm thrilled to lead the show into the next generation alongside an amazing panel of Nintendo experts, Rebecca Valentine, Jada Griffin, and Seth Macie.

NVC属于极客媒体播客网络的一部分，新集每周五早上在Apple Podcasts、Spotify及您获取节目的所有平台上线，完整视频版本可在ign.com和YouTube观看。加入我们，本周五在《Nintendo Voice Chat》上获取最新资讯。

NVC is part of the Geek Media Podcast Network with new episodes every Friday morning on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever you get your shows with full video versions on ign.com and YouTube. Join us and get the thing this Friday on Nintendo voice chat.

嘿。听着。

Hey. Listen.