2026年4月25日

现在还像冬天一样冷，但转眼间，春天就来了，各种让人眼花缭乱的户外活动也跟着扑面而来。

It still feels like winter, but in a blink, spring and all the head spinning outdoor activities that go with it will be upon us.

趁着这个天气多变的月份，赶紧用 iXl 这个在线学习平台帮孩子巩固关键技能，提升信心，轻松应对年底考试。

Make the most of this wacky weather month with iXl, the online learning platform that reinforces key skills and builds confidence in your kids before end of year testing.

用 iXl 给孩子做有针对性的灵活练习，从他们当前的水平出发，再通过内置的挑战和奖励，让他们飞速进步，数学、科学、社会课都能轻松提升。

It's easy to up their game in math, science, and social studies with focused, flexible practice that meets them where they are, then rockets them forward with built in challenges and rewards.

已经有整整一千万名从幼儿园到十二年级的学生在用 iXL 了。

IXL is already the go to choice for 15,000,000 kindergarten through twelfth graders.

去 ixl.com/kidnews 试试看，现在订月度或年度计划立减两成。

Give it a try at ixl.com/kidnews and get 20% off monthly and annual plans.

就是 ixl.com/kidnuz。

That's ixl.com/kidnuz.

一个小小的失误，发到网上就可能彻底改变你的人生。

One little mistake can be posted on social media and completely change your life.

我们爸妈那一代，可没经历过这种事。

Our parents and their generation didn't have that experience.

所以我们得自己琢磨清楚，怎么以健康、积极的方式去应对这个问题。

So we need to kind of figure that out for ourselves and figure out how to manage that in a healthy way and in a positive way.

这是来自旧金山湾区的16岁女孩萨曼莎，她参与了一个叫‘数字向善’的组织，帮助其他孩子学会正确使用社交媒体，避开那些坑。

That's 16 year old Samantha from the San Francisco Bay Area who's involved with a group called Digital For Good, where kids help other kids figure out how to use social media in a good way and avoid the negative pitfalls.

萨曼莎，非常感谢你来参加我们的节目。

Thank you so much for joining us, Samantha.

有你在这儿真是太好了。

It's great to have you with us.

谢谢你们邀请我。

Thank you so much for having me.

你能给我们讲讲，‘数字向善’到底是个什么样的组织吗？

So can you tell us what exactly is Digital For Good?

‘数字向善’是个非营利组织，主要推广数字安全和网络素养，尤其是针对青少年。

So Digital For Good is a nonprofit that's all about promoting digital safety and citizenship, especially to youth.

我们的教育对象覆盖面很广，包括学生、家长、老师和学校工作人员。

We have a huge target of education, so students and parents, teachers, staff.

核心就是普及社交媒体的知识，让大家看到它积极和消极的两面。

It's all about educating and bringing awareness to social media, both the good side and the bad side.

对，确实有好有坏，这点毫无疑问。

Yeah, and there is definitely a good side and a bad side for sure.

那你为什么会参与进来呢？

Why did you get involved?

我是在八年级的时候加入的。

So I got involved when I was in eighth grade.

我老师去参加了一个领导力会议，听到了这个项目，就建议我申请这个随机的实习机会。

My teacher went to a leadership conference and he heard about it and he recommended that I apply for this random internship.

我申请了项目与活动团队，结果被录用了，特别喜欢。

I applied to be on the program and events team and I got on and I loved it.

在初中那几年，我觉得初中对很多人来说都是个挺奇怪的阶段，我天天看到网上霸凌，或者有人滥用社交媒体散播负面情绪。

So in my middle school journey, because I think middle school is definitely a weird phase for many people, I saw online bullying all the time or just people misusing social media to spread a lot of negativity.

直到我加入这个组织后，才开始真正去谈论这些问题，也才意识到这些事根本不能接受。

So I think it was really once I joined the organization that I started talking about those things and started realizing that those things weren't okay.

所以我真的被这个故事和我们想帮学生弄明白的事深深打动了——那就是该怎么应对社交媒体，因为很多人根本不知道怎么做。

So I just got really, I got really moved by the story and the purpose of what we're trying to help students figure out, is how to navigate social media because a lot of people don't know.

那如果你遇到网络霸凌，你最想给对方什么建议？

And what's the best kind of advice that you would give to somebody who might be experiencing negative bullying online?

根据我的经验，不管是朋友还是我自己，一旦在网上被欺负，原因从来都不是因为你本人有问题。

In my experience, when people, my friends, me experience bullying online, there's always a reason that it's completely not related to you.

这事儿发生在网络上。

It is online.

又不是面对面的冲突。

They're not it's not face to face.

人一旦心里没底，就特别容易在网上说狠话。

It's easy to be hateful when people are insecure in their own ways.

每个人都有自己的难处，你得学会往后退一步。

People are going through their own struggles and you just need to take a step back.

你得告诉大人，或者悄悄拉黑、举报他们。

You need to tell an adult or quietly block report them.

如果情况还说得过去，我并不建议你随便拉黑所有人，但你得做对自己最合适的决定。

If it's healthy, I don't encourage just blocking everybody randomly, but you have to do what's right for you.

你得说：嘿，这地方太有毒了。

Say, Hey, this situation is toxic.

我要先退一步。

I'm gonna take a step aside.

如果你不知道该怎么操作，我们网站上有很多资源可以帮你。

And if you don't know how to do that, we have resources for you on our website.

我建议你找成年人聊聊。

I encourage talking to an adult.

是啊，父母当然是个选择，但希望你身边还有别的大人，比如祖父母、表亲、教练，或者老师之类的。

Yeah, and parents are certainly an option, but you know, hopefully there's some other adults, you know, maybe a grandparent, maybe a cousin, maybe a coach or something like that, or a teacher.

老师和教练都是特别好的资源，相信我，他们遇到过太多类似的情况了，这真的太常见了。

Teachers and coaches are a great resource, especially because trust me, it's not the first time someone's come to them with something online, it is very, very common.

所以你得明白，别往心里去，别把它当回事，你得学会认清：这就是社交媒体阴暗的一面，我得离远点。

So I think you just have to realize that you can't let it, you can't take it personally, you can't, you have to figure out how to say, wow, this is the bad side of social media and I need to step away from that.

这建议太棒了。

Very good advice.

那你现在在‘数字向善’具体是做什么的？

So what, what is your role at Digital For Good?

是的，我现在是年度项目与活动实习生的负责人。

Yeah, so now I'm the lead annual program and events intern.

我每个月都会主持一场‘学生向善’的网络研讨会，邀请世界各地的学生来分享他们创办的非营利组织，或者做播客、正能量社交媒体平台的经历。

I host a Students4Good webinar every month, which is I bring students from around the world that have started their own nonprofit or they start any kind of podcast, positivity, social media platform.

我和团队会主动联系他们，然后办一场直播，让他们讲自己的故事，我们也帮他们推广他们的平台。

I reach out to them along with my team, and we have a webinar where they get to share their story and we get to share their platform on ours.

我之前看‘数字向善’的网站，发现你们不光有给学生的项目和课程，还有给家长和老师的资源。

And when I was looking at the Digital4Good website, it sounds like you have programs and curricula for students, but also for parents and for teachers.

有些是收费的，但你们也提供不少免费资源。

And some is paid, but you also have some free resources as well.

在这些资源里，你觉得对学生最有帮助的是哪一部分？

Is there anything that you find is particularly helpful for students out of the resources that you have?

是的，首先我们所有的活动都是免费的。

Yeah, so number one, all of our events are free.

参加Students4Good的网络研讨会，我觉得对学生来说真是个绝佳的平台，特别能激发人。

So attending the Students for Good webinar, I actually think that is a great platform for students because you get really inspired.

我认识过很多特别有意思的人，而且我觉得所有的课程也都非常有用。

I've met a lot of really interesting people, but then all of the curriculums I find are really helpful.

最让我印象深刻的不是给学生用的，而是给家长的课程，因为家长对孩子怎么看社交媒体、怎么用社交媒体，甚至要不要用，都有直接影响。

The ones that actually stick out to me aren't for the students, they're for the parents because the parents have a really direct impact on how kids view social media, how kids use social media, whether they even have it or not.

所以我特别建议家长去了解一下这些课程。

So, I actually encourage parents to look into those curriculums.

它们真的很有影响力。

They're really impactful.

对老师也同样重要，因为我觉得……

And also for teachers as well, because I believe there

有一些关于无手机课堂的资源，我六个月前跟《华尔街日报》的记者聊过这个话题，这确实是个越来越火的趋势。

are some resources about phone free classrooms, which I did a Convos on about six months ago with the Wall Street Journal reporter, and that does seem to be a growing trend.

你们学校有禁止带手机的教室吗？

So do you have classrooms without phones in your school?

有的，我们学校实行禁手机政策。

Yeah, we do have a no phone policy.

我知道有些隔壁学校，虽然不在我们学区，但会用储物柜之类的办法收手机。

I know that some of my, some neighboring schools not in our district have like the lock boxes and things like that.

我们不搞那一套。

We don't do that.

我们就是整个校园都不准用手机。

We're just a no phones on campus.

看到学生午餐时间不刷手机，反而在Varsity Lane玩踢沙包，真的挺美的。

It's actually very like beautiful to see a campus where students aren't on their phone during lunch and people are, you know, back to playing hacky sack in the in varsity Lane.

我觉得对我们学校来说，这效果真的特别好。

And I think it's actually been really, really positive at our school.

哦，听到这个真让人开心。

Oh, that's I mean, that's wonderful to hear.

对啊，踢沙包的事儿，我可太记得了。

And, yeah, hacky sack, I I certainly remember those days.

没错。

So Yes.

那都是好多年前的事儿了。

That that was a while ago.

我们先歇一小会儿。

We're gonna take a quick break.

回来之后，我们会聊聊萨曼莎跟同学说起这个计划时，大家的反应，以及为什么孩子们一起参与这件事特别重要。

When we come back, the reaction Samantha hears when she tells her classmates about this effort and why it's so important for kids to be working with other kids on this issue.

广告后继续带来更多《KidNuz 对话》。

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我们回来了，继续听 KidNuz Convos。

And we're back with KidNuz Convos.

我是托里，今天和来自旧金山湾区的16岁女生萨曼莎聊天，她是‘数字向善’项目的实习生负责人。

I'm Tori talking with Samantha, a 16 year old from the San Francisco Bay Area who's an intern leader at Digital For Good.

当你跟同学聊‘数字向善’这个想法，说要在网上传递正能量时，大家反应怎么样？

When you talk to other your classmates about this concept of Digital For Good and being able to be positive, what kind of response do you get?

大家都说：‘哇，真的吗？’

I get a lot of, like, wow.

对啊。

Yes.

太棒了。

That's awesome.

我觉得很多中学生、高中生都经历过网络上的负面东西，被欺负过，或者像我一样，亲眼看到身边的人被欺负。

Because I think many, many students, high school, middle school have experienced negativity online, have experienced some kind of bullying, or in my case, witnessed people around them experience that.

所以我经常听到别人说：哇，这也太酷了吧。

So I get a lot of, wow, that's so cool.

我就想，真希望能参与进来，诸如此类的事情。

Like, I'd love to, you know, be involved and things like that.

我特别荣幸能回到当初带我申请的那位老师所在的领导力课堂做分享。

I'm really honored to have presented to the leadership class, my original teacher that got me to apply.

我给那个班讲了两次。

I presented to that class twice.

现在我们学校有个新生，我特别喜欢她，人特别好。

So now one of the freshmen at my school who I love her, she's great.

今年她加入了我的团队，因为她被深深打动了，想一起来做这件事。

She's on my team this year because she was really inspired and wanted to join.

你觉得让学生自己参与进来，跟光由大人告诉他们怎么用社交媒体，哪个更重要？

And how important is it for students to get involved in this effort versus having adults telling you how to handle social media?

毕竟，谁想整天听大人说教啊，对吧？

Well, because we don't wanna listen to adults all the time, do we?

说实话，就算那些对社交媒体特别警惕的家长也知道，学生们终究还是会接触到这些东西。

Here's the deal, even parents that strictly know social media know this, students are still exposed to it one way or another.

要么看到朋友在用，要么自己偷偷摸摸地玩，但每个人的经历都不一样。我们爸妈那一代，根本没经历过我们现在这种生活。

They see their friends exposed to it or they sneak it, but we all have our own unique experiences and parents, the older generation didn't have the same experience that we're having now.

他们没经历过高中时代，一切都围绕着网络形象转——现在你要是打场篮球，比赛视频早就被传遍全网了。

They didn't live through a high school life where everything is about your image online or, you know, when you're going to play a basketball game in high school now, like it's been posted all over social media.

学校里那些小摩擦、敌对关系，全都被截图发得到处都是。

There's little beefs like in rivalries going on that is all screenshotted and sent everywhere.

一个小小的失误，发到网上，就可能彻底改变你的人生。

One little mistake can be posted on social media and completely change your life.

我们爸妈那一代，根本没碰上过这种事。

The older, like our parents and their generation didn't have that experience.

所以很多老师、工作人员、家长真的很难理解，为什么我们这么沉迷网络，为什么这么放不下。

So I think it's really hard for a lot of teachers, staff, parents to really truly understand why we are so involved online, why we're so hooked.

所以我们得自己搞清楚，怎么才能健康、积极地应对这一切。

So we need to kind of figure that out for ourselves and figure out how to manage that in a healthy way and in a positive way.

你有关注那个案子吗？

Did you follow the trial at all?

就是那个Instagram和YouTube的案子，那个20岁的女孩起诉说社交媒体让她严重焦虑，甚至上瘾的那个？

You know, the one with Instagram and YouTube and the now 20 year old young woman who had sued for causing major mental stress and basically becoming addicted to social media?

有啊。

Yeah.

太离谱了。

It's crazy.

这事儿特别复杂，但确实说明了，像这样的组织得从娃娃抓起，真的特别重要。

It's it's really complicated, but it it definitely shows, you know, how much being a part and having organizations like this, and we gotta start young, is really important.

因为我们根本不知道该怎么应对。

Because a lot of like, we don't know how to navigate.

这完全是另一个世界。

This is a whole new world.

我们根本不知道怎么在里头生存。

Like, we don't know how to navigate it.

我不是说所有社交媒体都不好。

And I'm not I don't wanna say all social media is bad.

它确实有好的一面，但年轻人很难找到这些正面的东西。

There is a good side, but it's really hard, especially for young people to find that.

那好的方面，我猜应该是用来联系朋友、保持联络吧？

And the good, I assume, would be connecting and keeping in touch with friends?

就是拓展人脉。

So, networking.

我做‘学生为善’这个项目时，所有那些了不起的年轻人都我是通过社交媒体认识的。

When I do my Students for Good, all of those amazing youth that I meet, that I find for these events, I find them all through social media.

LinkedIn 对想拓展人脉、进入职场的人来说是个特别棒的平台。

LinkedIn is a great social media platform for those that are trying to network with people, get into the corporate world.

所以啊，有好有坏，关键是要多关注好处，少被负面的东西牵着走。

So I mean, there's pros and cons, and it's just a matter of being able to focus on the pros and minimize the cons, the negative side.

对，但我们不能指望学生自己摸索，连点指导和资源都没有。

Yes, and we can't expect students to do that without any guidance or any resources.

对，没错。

Right, yeah.

那其他孩子想参与的话，该怎么加入呢？

So as far as the opportunity for other kids to get involved, how would they do that?

我强烈推荐我们的学生实习项目。

So I highly recommend our student internship program.

这个项目规模特别大。

It is huge.

我们有年度项目和季节性项目，年度项目主要面向高中生和初中生。

We have our annual side and our seasonal side and our annual side is all about high school and middle school students.

我们有大量岗位，很多实习团队。

So we have many, many positions, many teams for interns.

我之前提过活动策划组，但还有市场推广、视频拍摄、平面设计等各种方向。

I know I mentioned the program events team, but we have marketing, videography, graphic design, all these different things.

如果学生感兴趣，我强烈建议去我们网站看看这些机会。

If students are interested, I highly recommend going to our website and looking at those.

初中和高中的学生，重点关注我们的年度实习项目。

For high school and middle school, look at the annual internships.

我从这些实习里成长了很多，我们特别注重培养数字公益之外的综合能力。

I think I've really grown as a human from those and we focus a lot on developing skills outside of just digital for good.

我学会了怎么社交、怎么公开演讲，实习项目里还有很多机会，我强烈建议你们去了解。

I've developed how to network, how to public speak, and there's a lot of opportunities that come from the internship program so I highly As

至于怎么让人参与进来，大家怎么获取更多信息？

far as getting people involved, how would people get more information?

对，去我们的网站 digital4goodicanhelp 看一看。

Yeah, so go to our website and digital4good icanhelp.

我们还有个Instagram账号。

We also have an Instagram.

我们的Instagram一直在稳步增长，每周都有新帖，每天更新故事，发很多励志内容和实用资源，想保持联系、持续参与的话，一定要关注我们。

Our Instagram has been growing very steadily, so we always have posts every week, stories up every day, a lot of, like, inspirational things, resources that we post directly on our Instagram, you know, to stay connected, stay involved.

没错。

Absolutely.

这真是一次特别棒的对话。

Well, this has been terrific.

我特别享受这次交流，学到了很多，也希望其他人能从中获益。

I've really enjoyed this, and I I've learned a lot, and I hope other people will learn as well.

祝你一切顺利，萨曼莎。

And I wish you all the best, Samantha.

太感谢你了。

Thank you so much.

真的很感谢你邀请我来参加。

Thank you so much for having me.

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And thank you for listening to KidNuz Convos.

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