与詹森·阿克斯一起度过非常加拿大的隔离时光

我带了，先生。

I did, sir.

我确实带了。

I did.

哦，那太聪明了。

Oh, that's genius.

挺有意思的。

It was fun.

而且上面还有Netflix什么的。

And it also has Netflix on it and whatnot.

哦，那太棒了。

Oh, that's awesome.

会不会觉得孤单？

Is it lonely?

我是说，会不会觉得奇怪？

I mean, is it like, or, is it weird?

不会啊，我觉得因为我能做这个，你知道的，可以跟人视频通话和用Zoom聊天。

No, it's, I feel like since I get to do this, you know, can FaceTime and Zoom with people.

你知道吗，我和Jensen说实话，我们前几天晚上一起待了大概五六个小时。

You know, Jensen and I have honestly, we hung out we hung out the other night for maybe five or six hours.

对，就是这样。

Just Yep.

我们就是直接把电脑架起来，你知道的，然后对。

We just literally just propped the computer up on the, you know, and Yeah.

调了鸡尾酒，然后一起待着聊天说话，我还……

Made cocktails and hung out and chatted and talked and I

中间还做了顿饭。

made dinner at one point.

就像我们平时一起玩一样。

Like we're just hanging out.

一边玩一边做。

While we're hanging out.

可能就是这样的吧。

It may be the thing.

我一直在想，如果我们不是生活在现在这个数字化的世界里，这种情况会是什么样子？

I always wonder like, what would this scenario be if we didn't live in the digital world we lived in?

但话说回来，在更简单的时代，这种事也许根本不会发生。

But then again, maybe this would never happen in a simpler time.

我也不知道。

I don't know.

我的意思是，1918年也发生过，但我不确定。

I mean, it happened in 1918, but I don't know.

我只是在想，因为至少我们还能这样联系。

I just wonder if, because at least we've been able to connect like this.

至少你们俩还能在iPad上聊聊天。

At least you guys had each other on your iPads having a conversation.

你知道的。

You know

你明白我的意思吗？

what I mean?

而且至少你们打长途电话不用每分钟花两美元，还老是有大段停顿。

And at least your long distance calls weren't, you know, costing you $2 a minute with big pauses in it.

就像现在可以给朋友亲戚打电话，还能视频通话。

Like you can call friends and relatives and FaceTime back

以前的时候……

in the day when...

还有Jensen，我不知道你刚来加拿大的时候是不是也这样，比如在温哥华，大概2000年、2001年左右，往家里打电话可是件大事。

And Jensen, I don't if it was like this for you when you first started in Canada, like in Vancouver, like around two thousand two thousand one, like, it was a big deal to call home.

因为你要离开这个国家。

Because you gotta leave the country.

从加拿大打电话到美国，那可不是小事。

It a thing calling America from Canada.

我有两部手机，因为那个套餐不……

I had two cell phones because like the plan didn't...

那时候电话费太贵了，所以带两部手机反而更划算。

It was so expensive that it actually made sense to carry two phones.

你知道的，这样你既能打本地电话，又能跟制作团队联系，他们也能找到你。

You know, just so you could make your local calls and your talk to production and have them get ahold of you.

后来呢，网络、卫星这些技术慢慢就跟上需求了。

And then eventually, you know, the networks and the satellites and everything kind of caught up with the demand.

到现在，我们再也不需要那样了。

And and now now we don't need that anymore.

但是，那会儿确实挺尴尬的。

But, it it was it was awkward.

我想说，在正常情况下——这可不是正常情况。

I would say that, you know, in normal this isn't normal.

比如真的要把自己锁在房间里，不能出去。

Like having to literally barricade yourself into room and not leave.

就像我们不允许跨过那道门一样。

Like we're not allowed to cross the threshold of that door.

然后

And

那太奇怪了。

that's bizarre.

比如，我在家和家人在一起的时候，我们会出去，在车道上打篮球，在前院玩，或者在后院游泳，反正我们能做很多事情。

Like, you know, when I was home with my family, we'd go outside, we'll go shoot basketball in the driveway and we'd go play in the front yard or go swimming in the backyard or what we, you know, we could do things.

那感觉就像周六

It was, it felt like a Saturday

对

to

对我来说。

me.

这

This

感觉有点像轻度监禁。

feels like, you know, mild imprisonment.

感觉像生病请假的日子。

It feels like a sick day.

感觉像生病请假的日子。

It feels like a sick day.

因为不能出门，对，你可以用，就像沙发真的是你最好的朋友。

Because you can't, yeah, you could use, it's like the couch is really your best friend.

而且即使你在看，我犯了个错误，就是戴上了我的苹果手表。

And even though you're looking, I made the mistake of like putting on my Apple watch.

天哪。

Oh God.

你数步数吗？

You count your step?

那可不是明智之举。

That was not a smart move.

太烦人了。

It's so annoying.

我有个

I've got

就像，你知道，我现在根本不需要呼吸。

It's like, you know, I don't need to breathe right now.

我还活着呢。

I'm alive.

哦，你

Oh, you're

就像，我已经走到四了。

like, I'm up to four.

哦，爬了负两个月的楼梯。

Oh, climbed negative two months of stairs.

而且时不时它会说，哦，该站起来活动了。

And every once in a while it says, oh, it's time to stand up.

该站起来了。

Time to stand up.

然后它就直接被忽略了，对我来说。

And it's just like dismissed for the I

感觉就像，滚开。

felt like fuck off.

去你的，苹果手表。

Screw you, Apple Watch.

但这确实激励了我，让我真的去做一些像徒手健身之类的锻炼，或者做点活跃的事情。

But it actually that has motivated me to actually get in like some sort of a calisthenic workout or do something act, you know, active wise.

然后它就说你合上了你的活动圆环。

And then it says you've closed your rings.

然后我就把手表摘下来，扔了。

Then I take the watch off and I throw it.

你把你的手表扔了。

You've thrown your watch.

你为什么生我的气，Jensen？

Why are you mad at me Jensen?

你的苹果手表怎么这样？

Your Apple watch is like how?

它就像爬回你的床头柜一样。

It's like crawling back towards your bedside table.

昨天电视上播了那个。

Which was on TV yesterday.

昨天电视上播了《2001太空漫游》。

Watched 2,001 was on TV yesterday.

再说，隔离期间，隔离标签嘛。

And again, quarantine, hashtag quarantine.

但我在看《2001太空漫游》，这电影真适合看。

But I'm watching 2,001, like it's a perfect movie to watch.

你知道吗

You know what

那你应该看看那个，再看看。

Well, you should watch that and watch.

《传染病》？那真是，不，别了。

Contagion and it's just a real No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

我发现了一个节目。

I found this show.

Rob，我跟你说过这个。

And Rob, I told you about this.

这个新节目，其实也不算新了，就是那个，对。

This new, I guess it's not that new, it's Oh yeah.

叫《独处》的真人秀。

Reality show called Alone.

叫什么？

It's what?

你听说过这个节目吗？

Have you heard of it?

没有。

No.

叫《独处》

It's called Alone.

他们找几个参赛者。

So they take like a few contestants.

然后把他们扔到荒无人烟的地方，彼此离得很远。

And they drop them off in the middle of nowhere far away from each other.

所以他们不是，你知道的，他们不在一起。

So they're not, you know, they're not together.

就像这里放一个，然后25英里外再放一个，30英里外又放一个。

It's like they drop one here and then 25 miles away they drop another one and thirty miles away they drop another one.

然后给他们配好所有摄像机，然后就说，坚持到最后的人赢，拜拜了您嘞。

And then they supply them with all of their cameras and they're like, last man standing, see you later.

这个节目就是看你能不能比那些在某个你不知道的地方的人活得更久。

And it is, it's just a, you see if you can survive longer than the other people that are out there somewhere you don't know where.

你唯一能知道的方式就是，如果有人开直升机来接你。

And the only way you'll know that is if they, if a helicopter comes and picks you up.

哦，那你就知道你赢了。

Oh, and then you know you've won.

然后你就知道你赢了。

And then you know you've won.

还有一个求救按钮，按下去就是‘砰，我退出，我不干了’。

And there's like a distress button, it's like, boom, I quit, I'm out.

他们就是这样知道的。

And that's how they know.

但本质上就是让人完全孤独，什么都没有，他们得自己找吃的、打猎，还得……

But it's essentially just people being utterly alone with nothing and they have to forage and catch their food and they have to

这就像《女巫布莱尔》一样。

It's like the Blair Witch Project.

天哪。

Geez.

然后我就坐着看了两季那个节目。

And so I just sat and watched like two seasons of that.

我当时就想，哇，这也没那么糟，我还在点披萨呢。

And I was like, wow, this isn't that bad while I'm ordering pizza.

我也是一个人。

I'm also alone.

我也是一个人。

I'm also alone.

我想要

I'd like

那种心动的感觉。

to get the butterflies.

对，我想要上面加意大利辣香肠。

Yeah, I'd like to the pepperoni on

辣椒。

the pepper.

你知道吗，最倒霉的情况是，你报名参加那个节目，以为它是关于理财和用房子贷款的。

You know what, what a bummer that would be is if you applied to be a contestant on that show, thinking it was about fiscal responsibility and leveraging your home.

比如你会想，好啊，我很乐意申请贷款。

Like you're like, sure, I would love to get a loan.

这样我就能拿到钱，再投资。

So I'll get money, I'll reinvest.

有一瞬间我在想，这跟贷款有什么关系？

There was a moment where I was like, what the hell does that have to do with being a loan?

我当时想，我不知道他要说什么。

I was like, I don't know where he's going.

这是个贷款梗。

It's a loan shot.

不过，也就你能发现这个双关语。

But yeah, leave it to you to find the pun.

这里有点喜剧性的弯弯绕绕。

Little comedy serpentine right there.

我把他跟丢了，Rob。

I lost him Rob.

我没有

I'm not

跟上他。

on his tail.

你得回看一遍。

You have to watch back on it.

你把我搞糊涂了，Jensen Ackles。

You lost me Jensen Ackles.

我甩了你还是我甩了你？

I threw you or did I throw you?

哦，这真是太棒了，我是说，再次听到那个声音，它已经成为我们文化的一部分了，就是那句“我不知道你要去哪儿，Dave”。

Oh, it is so good, I mean, just hearing that voice again too, it's become a part of our culture, just that whole, I don't know where you're going, Dave.

我不是那个意思。

That's not what I'm saying.

阿尔，没有比这更吓人的了。

Al, nothing creepier.

所以我想问你们，因为你们把这叫做病假，那心理上的部分呢？因为显然你们俩都有不错的住处，可以联系朋友，也有数字设备。

So let me ask you this guys, because you called it a sick day, is the mental part, because obviously you both have nice places, you can reach out to your buddies, you have digital.

在我看来，这件事最折磨人的地方，不是不能离开，而是知道自己不能离开。

It seems to me like one of the mind fucks of this whole thing would not be not leaving, It would be knowing you can't leave.

这是一种心理上的门槛：我可以走出这扇门，但会有后果。

It's sort of the mental threshold of I can walk out this door, but there are consequences.

我不能走出这扇门。

I can't walk out this door.

你知道，就是这部分。

You know, it's that part of it.

那似乎会，会增加那种被困住的感觉。

That seems like it would be, it would add that level of being boxed in.

我不知道。

I don't know.

对我来说，这就是我的任务。

I mean, for me, it's just like, this is my task.

这就是我现在的使命。

This is my mission right now.

我有两周时间，得抓紧完成。

I got two weeks buckle down, get it done.

然后继续下一个任务。

And then move on to the next task.

嗯，我知道我们大家都支持军人。

Well, I know certainly like all of us being supporters of those in the military.

每当你觉得事情很难的时候，想想那些被空投到敌后的人，或者读读路易斯·赞佩里尼的书，讲的是飞机坠毁后，他在海上漂流了四十一天。

Anytime you think you're doing something difficult and you think about what it's like to be like, dropped behind enemy lines and or reading, Louis Zamperini's book about being stuck on a raft for forty one days in the open ocean after your your plane goes down.

对，你知道的。

Like, you know Yeah.

说到詹森的观点。

To Jensen's point.

你知道，确实有更艰难的任务。

You know, there there are tougher assignments.

当然。

Sure.

当然。

Sure.

无聊并没有人们想的那么糟糕。

The boredom isn't as bad as people think.

就像罗伯说的，几乎每天，我都觉得我在做类似的事情。

And like Rob said, like, almost every day, it's like, I feel like I'm doing something like this.

比如，现在是凌晨五点，但我有视频通话，或者两点有视频会议，或者有电话，或者有采访，或者和孩子们视频聊天，等等。

Like it's, well, it's 05:00, but I got a video call or at two I've got a video conference or I've got a phone call or I've got an interview or I'm FaceTiming with the kids or whatever.

我发现日子其实过得挺快的。

Days actually go by fairly quickly I find.

是的，今天我发现他们改了时间表，我的开始日期比我想的晚了三天加一个周末。

Yeah, today I did find out that they changed the schedule and I have to and I'm working like my start date is like three days and a weekend later than I thought.

所以

So

所以你现在多了一个星期不用工作，但不用隔离。

So you have an additional you actually have an additional week now without work, but no quarantine.

但不用隔离，那会更好。

But no quarantine, which would be better.

但我心里有点觉得，就像知道我们要出去的那种感觉。

But there was a part of me that was like, like the feeling of knowing we're going to get out.

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

如果是我被困在这里，什么也做不了，那会很奇怪。

It'd weird if it's like, I'm stuck in here and like there's nothing to be done.

我永远不会...

I'll never...

我不知道什么时候能出去。

I don't know when I'm getting out.

你懂

You know

我的意思吗？

what I'm saying?

但确实有

But there was

一部分的我

a part of me

当我发现时间还要更久的时候。

when I found out it was gonna be like more time.

就像……

Was like...

因为我还是不知道隔离结束后我们能做什么。

Because I still don't know what we can do when our quarantine's over.

比如加拿大允许做什么？

Like what is Canada allowed?

你知道詹森吗？

Do you know Jensen?

他们的限制比我们习惯的要宽松一些，但还是有一些明确的限制。

They are looser restrictions and we're probably used to, but there's still some definite restrictions.

所以我们会拿到一份清单，我想应该是制作方给的，但你知道，不能超过六人一组，而且你不能预订，或者餐厅是开放的。

So we'll get like a, we'll get like a list, I think I'm sure from production, but it's, you know, no groups over six, are, you know, you can't get a reservation or the restaurants are open.

我觉得你可以出去吃饭，但还是需要保持距离。

I think there's, there's, you can go out to eat, but it's still distancing.

我觉得他们在这里做了很多好事，很明显，因为数字已经说明了。

I think they're doing a lot of really good things up here clearly because the numbers show it.

确实。

for sure.

这里并不是完全放开的状态。

It's not like a free for all up here.

不是那种，哦，你知道的，你想干嘛就干嘛。

It's not like, Oh, it's, you know, you don't, you can do whatever you want.

我觉得还是得聪明点。

I think it's still you gotta be smart.

你得保持社交距离。

You gotta social distance.

做不到的时候就得戴口罩，总之要聪明点。

You gotta keep a mask on when you can't do that and just be smart.

这几乎就像一切封锁之前的样子。

It's almost like what it was before everything got locked down.

所以Jensen，你可能不知道我们播客的一件事，因为你没有

So Jensen, one thing you might not know about our podcast because you don't

我对这个一无所知。

I don't know anything about this.

你不关注我们，你说今天咱们zoom一下，我就想，好吧，我的苹果手表，我还没准备好呢。

You don't follow You our said let's zoom today and I was like, all right, my Apple watchers, I don't have anything yet.

机器人管家，把我的尼格罗尼拿来。

Robot Butler, bring me my Negroni.

你已经有……

You've got...

你已经有酒了，Jensen。

You you already have it, Jensen.

不过我是提前调好的。

I did pre make it though.

我得说一句。

I I will say.

哥们，我注意到了。

Dude, I noticed.

你简直……

You literally...

我还以为杯子本来就是那样的。

I thought it came in the glass like that.

等等。

Wait.

什么？

What?

看着他走过去，然后他就那样，啪的一下。

Watched him go back there and he was like, boop.

就像，你刚刚就有。

Like, you just had it.

所以，是的。

So, yeah.

你准备好了。

You're ready.

差不多吧。

Pretty much.

你总是准备充分来片场。

You always come to set prepared.

罗伯在整个播客过程中都在写歌。

Rob writes songs all throughout the podcast.

所以当你真正听这个播客的时候，里面会充满各种旋律。

So when you actually listen to this podcast, it'll be riddled with tunes.

比如，他会写一首歌叫《詹森自己做，普雷自己做内格罗尼》。

For example, he's gonna write a song called Jensen makes his own, pre makes his own Negronis.

明白了。

Got it.

然后他会把这首歌插在那个空档里。

And he's gonna drop it in right in that gap.

哦，我迫不及待想听了。

Oh, I can't wait to hear

但他有个专门的管家，帮他提前调好内格罗尼。

but he's got a special butler that premakes his Negronis.

太棒了。

It's great.

然后他还

Then he also

好吧，这是提前录好的。

Well, this is prerecorded.

我们现在不是直播。

We're not live right now.

对。

No.

对。

No.

对。

No.

而且他还……

And he also...

我的意思是，我们不会把精彩部分都剪掉的，你知道的。

I mean, we're not gonna edit all the gold out, you know.

我们会剪掉……

We'll cut...

我通常会把里奇的大部分片段都剪掉。

I usually cut out most of Rich's bits.

其实我根本没出现在播客里。

I'm not actually in the podcast.

他通常用一张冻住的托尼虎图片来代替我。

He usually replaces me with a frozen picture of Tony the tiger.

但那是多余的。

But that's spate.

确实有多余的。

There's spate.

没错。

Exactly.

天哪，如果你是个卡通人物，那绝对就是你。

God, that would totally be you if you were a cartoon character.

因为我一直，一直，一直都很喜欢用那些垃圾麦片来鼓励孩子们做运动。

Because I've always I've always I've always enjoyed encouraging children to play sports by giving them shit cereal.

这是我最喜欢做的事。

It's my favorite thing.

挺好的。

It's nice.

你

What do

做什么？

you do?

你

You

知道吗？

know?

那……

That's...

这个……

This...

我……

I...

你……

You...

我搞到了这个小……

I got this little...

你看。

Look.

就像一个小客厅。

It's like a little parlor.

那是个……

Is that a...

我搞到了

I got

这个。

this one.

我觉得我之前给你看过。

I I think I showed it to you.

这是一把旅行吉他。

It's a travel guitar.

一把小旅行吉他？

A little travel axe?

它是……

It's...

我的意思是，它只是一把客厅吉他。

I mean, it's just a parlor guitar.

不错。

Nice.

但它……

But it's...

那挺好的。

That's nice.

我会把它带到片场的，罗比。

I'll I'll bring it to I'll bring it to set, Robbie.

太棒了。

Awesome.

一定要带来。

Please do.

它是什么？

Is is it what is it?

它是……

Is it...

什么牌子？

What's the brand?

拉里维。

The Larave.

哦，哇。

Oh, wow.

我都没认出来。

I didn't recognize this.

这是一把非常，

It's a very,

非常优质的加拿大制造吉他。

very quality Canadian made guitar.

虽然我觉得这把是在加州奥克斯纳德做的。

Even though I believe this one is made in Oxnard, California.

奥克斯纳德就是加州的加拿大。

Oxnard is the Canada of California.

所以我觉得

So I

这也说得通。

guess that makes sense.

确实如此。

That's true.

我喜欢你刚才说的，我会把那东西带到片场，然后你打算怎么办？

I think I like the fact that you said, I'll bring that to set and what are you going do?

把它用塑料膜包好，交给黄色小组的人，然后他们再给它消毒。

Have it shrink wrapped, hand it to pod yellow, who will then disinfect it.

对，他们会给它消毒的。

Yeah, they're going to disinfect it.

它会运到曼尼托巴去。

It'll travel to Manitoba for

嗯，问题是，我们只能和同色分组的人待在一起。

Well, so this is the thing is like the only people we're allowed to hang out with are people in our color coded group.

即便如此，我觉得化妆师给我们补妆的时候还是得戴面罩之类的。

And even still, even then I think that like the hair makeup ladies are still gonna have to wear like face shields when they give us touch ups and stuff like that.

这真的很奇怪，因为这些人都是我们平时很友好、经常聊天的人。

It's just gonna be so strange because these are people that we are like friendly that we talk to.

他们真的是我们的朋友。

They are literally friends of ours.

就是那些我们会聊天、会交流的朋友。

Like these are friends that we talk to

到时候感觉肯定特别别扭。

And it's just gonna be like

你知道的，虽然表面上没事，但心里总觉得隔着一层。

You know, obviously on, but click on...

而且经常会有偏差。

And offset quite often.

我是说，是的。

I mean Yeah.

这些人是陪我过生日的人。

These are people that I've spent my birthdays with.

这些人是和我一起庆祝人生成就的人。

These are people that I've I've, you know, celebrated life achievements with.

对，没错。

And and Right.

现在我们之间有了这样的隔阂，真的会让人觉得奇怪，而且会让人难过，你知道的。

To now have like this barrier between us is really gonna be it's gonna be weird and it's gonna be, you know

会让人很难过。

It's gonna be sad.

你知道奇怪的是什么吗？就是我们不知道这件事会反弹到多久以前。

You know what's weird is where we don't know how far back this is gonna boomerang.

如果你回到09:11，那时候我们走到门口去接奶奶，你会觉得，哦，走到门口没问题。

If you go back to 09:11 and when we used to walk to the gate to pick up grandma, you're like, oh, I'll just walk to the gate, no problem.

然后09:11发生了，除了飞机上的人，没人能通过安检。

And then 09:11 happens and no one who's not on a plane.

没人能通过安检，是的。

Nobody passed security, yeah.

不。

No.

所以很明显，现在正在采取极端的措施。

So obviously extreme measures are being taken.

而且我觉得我们不会永远活在这个世界里。

And I don't think we live in this universe forever.

但我不确定它会不会完全弹回原来的样子。

But I don't know if it slingshots back all the way to

我觉得不会。

I don't think it does.

我们

Where we

也不会回到从前。

were either.

比如，这可能会改变制作或购买影视作品的方式，或者各种

Like it may change the framework of how productions are done or bought or, you know, or all kinds

商业模式。

of business.

我觉得会。

Think it will.

我觉得这会对未来产生很大影响。

I think this is very, this is gonna have an impact on moving forward.

我不认为我们能完全回到过去的样子，但我觉得我们会适应并回到类似的生活。

I don't think we get back to exactly the way we were, but I feel like we adjust accordingly and get back to a similar life.

你知道吗，我今天跟一个朋友聊天，他说他完全不认为未来人们还会聚会。

You know, I was talking to someone, I was talking to friend today who was like, I don't see, you know, gatherings people in, you know, in the future at all.

我说，不会吧。

And I'm like, no.

人类必须聚在一起。

Humans have to gather.

你想想音乐会、节日、体育赛事，还有

You know, you think about concerts, think about festivals, think about sports, think about

你确实看不到那些东西了。

And you don't really see it, all those things.

我觉得这就像人们过安检门一样。

I see it like how people go through metal detectors.

我看到你走过一个测温仪。

I see you walking through a thermometer.

就像，你在量体温。

Like, you're getting you're getting your temperature taken.

然后突然你走过去，体温一百度，他们就说，抱歉，老兄。

And suddenly you walk through and you're a 100, they're like, sorry, pal.

你转身吧。

You turned.

你不能进去。

You're not going through.

不行。

Nope.

我甚至觉得这都会变得很正常。

I kinda think that's gonna be even normal.

尽管他们刚刚让排队的五个人进去了。

Even though they've just given it to five people in line who you're allowing in.

但是，怎么说呢……

But, like, how

对我来说，细节很重要。

Details for me, tells.

理查德，就算那样，你想想看。

Even that, Richard, like, think about that, though.

万一有人……

What if people...

万一有人体温偏高呢？

What if somebody runs hot?

万一……

What if...

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I'm saying?

比如，如果我们开始根据体温把人拒之门外，那就会变成一大摊子事。

Like, we start turning people away based on their temperature, then it becomes a whole issue of, like...

你明白我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

比如说，体温多少度算超标呢？

Like, what's the line of the temperature?

我也不清楚。

And I don't know.

我是说，我就是觉得……

I mean, I I just feel like...

我可能想错了。

And I could be wrong.

我就是觉得肯定会有一种新的衡量标准。

I just feel like there will be some kind of new measuring stick.

对，没错。

Like Right.

而且这不仅仅关乎那一点。

And not all of it's about that.

比如说，我确实觉得我们可能会用一些新的衡量标准，新的参数来应对这种情况，尽量让可能生病的人不要长时间待在人群里，即使他们不知道自己携带病毒，但也要看看现在生意是怎么做的。

Like, I do think that there there might be some new measuring sticks we use, new parameters for that kind of thing to try to keep people who might have an illness from being in large groups for too long, even if they don't know they're a carrier, but also look how business is being run.

而且我觉得推特就是一个例子，他们清空了大楼的好几层。

And like, I think Twitter is one of those examples where they cleared out several floors of their building.

现在他们决定，算了，管他呢。

And now they've decided, well, screw it.

我们不需要那三层楼。

We don't need those three floors.

比如会计部门其实不需要在这里办公。

Like accounting actually doesn't need to be here.

他们可以每月来开个会什么的。

They can come in for monthly conferences or whatever.

他们觉得，我们不一定非得为那个部门整年租下整栋楼。

They like, we don't necessarily have to rent that entire building for that department all year round.

我们可以改变做生意的方式。

We can change the way we do business.

而且奇怪的是，有些好处来自于我们都学会了如何远程联系和做生意。

And in a weird way, some things that will benefit are the way we've all figured out how to connect and do business from afar.

我们还需要亲自到场才能进行那种对话吗？

And do we need to be there to have that conversation?

还是说我们可以这样做？

Or could we do be doing this?

我需要飞到纽约去吃午饭，还是这个对话可以在这里进行？

Do I need to fly to New York for lunch or could this conversation be taking place here?

我觉得有很多这样的改变实际上会重塑商业，不仅仅是娱乐业，而是所有商业。绝对会。

And I feel like there's a lot of that that actually will reshape how business commerce, not just entertainment, all commerce goes Absolutely.

继续向前发展。

Goes forward.

你觉得呢？

What do you feel a spade?

我也有个问题想问你们，其实我们三个人都是从小被教导，见到人的时候要看着对方的眼睛，然后握手。

I have a question for you as, as well, all three of us actually are people that have grown up, you know, with a, I think with an idea of how you were taught that when you meet somebody you look them in the eye and you shake your hand.

握他们的

Shake their

手，而且要握得有力。

hand and you give a firm hand.

我爷爷总是说，握紧一点，或者来，用力握。

I mean my grandfather would always be like squeeze it harder or come on, give me a grip.

还有

And

你亲一下他的脸颊，然后抓住他的

you give him a kiss on the cheek and you grab your

我爸爸总是说，你要看着他的眼睛，然后用力握手。

My father was always like, you look him in the eye and you give him a firm handshake.

而且，这就是我们文化和社会几代人以来打招呼的方式。

And like, that was the way that the, you know, our culture and our society has been greeting people now for generations.

我知道。

I know.

我们是不是已经失去这个了？

Have we lost that?

天哪，你提的这件事我确实想过很多。

Man, you're bringing up something I've literally thought about a lot.

罗比，你知道的，你有个儿子。

Robbie, I mean, you know, you've got a son.

我知道，你是在中西部长大的。

I know that like it's, you're, you know, raised in

中西部。

the Midwest.

我们都有

We all

儿子。

have sons.

这都是其中的一部分，但我们也都是在美国中西部长大的美国人。

It's all part of the, but it's also we're all Americans raised in Midwest, in America.

这也是文化的一部分，

That's part of the culture of

我本来想说，比如在南方，但我觉得那其实是一种文化现象。

our- I was gonna say like, you know, being in the South, but no, I think that's just that that's a cultural thing.

确实是文化现象。

It's cultural thing.

尤其是男性文化。

Especially a male thing.

我觉得我不想看到它消失，但我觉得它可能会消失。

And I feel like I would hate to see that die, but I think it might die.

但我觉得它会被别的东西取代。

But I feel like it'll get replaced with something.

这听起来可能很荒谬，但我不是在开玩笑。

And this is going to sound asinine and I'm not making a joke.

我不知道是不是这个，但可能会被肘部碰一下之类的取代。

I don't know if this is the thing, but it's going to get replaced with like the elbow bump or something.

我就是觉得会有某种问候方式取代它。

I just feel like there's going to be some sort of greeting that gets, that replaces it.

你知道，我也不知道是什么。

You know I don't know what it is.

也许我们会回到脱帽致意那种方式。

Might be the, you know, we'll go back to tipping our cap.

我不知道，但我觉得会有东西取代它，因为社会总是需要表达尊重。

I don't know, but it'll be, you know, I feel like something will replace it because society, there's always been a need to show respect.

总是需要表达联系。

There's always been a need to show connection

而且那种身体上的接触对我来说太根深蒂固了。

And that and physical connection is such a, it's so ingrained in me, know.

我简直无法想象见到一个人却不握手。

And as like, I can't imagine meeting somebody and not shaking their hand.

然后你说那些话，我握了他的手。

And you you say those phrases, I shook his hand.

我看着他的眼睛。

I looked him in the eye.

就像那一刻我就认识他了。

Like that is like, I knew him in that moment.

我了解了那个人。

I got to know that person.

我看着他的眼睛。

I looked him in the eye.

我碰了碰他的胳膊肘。

I bumped his elbow.

我说，我

I said, I

感觉不一样了。

didn't carry the same way.

我把目光移开了。

I looked away.

然后我在空中摸索他的胳膊肘。

And I searched for his elbow in mid air.

我不知道。

I don't know.

我不知道那会落在哪里。

I don't know where that's gonna land.

你知道，显然我觉得对于你认识的人，我希望拥抱仍然会存在，因为我们都互相拥抱。

You know, clearly I think with people that you know, I'm hoping that, you know, hugging will still be, because we all hug each other.

哦，真是个爱拥抱的人。

Oh such a hugger.

不管是兄弟式的拥抱，还是那种完全的拥抱。

Whether it's the bro hug or the full like bring it in.

是的，老兄。

Yeah dude.

但就是介绍和见面，那个……

But just the introduction and meeting meeting of somebody is that's...

我觉得这个会变。

I think that's gonna change.

我，我……

I I'm

你是怎么……？

How did you?

我觉得，我不……

I think it's I don't

我也不喜欢。

like it either.

我觉得是……

I think it is

我也不喜欢。

I don't either.

你知道吗？

You know?

不过，我觉得我们的总统可能会不同意。

Although, I think our president would disagree.

他……

He...

他是不是说过……

Didn't he say...

他曾经……

He was...

他很久以前是不是说过。

Wasn't he said a long time ago.

他好像说，我不喜欢握手。

He's like, I don't I don't like shaking hands.

我们不需要握手。

We don't need shaking hands.

所以也许他有点奇怪。

So maybe he's got a funny.

那个话题

That track

罗比，你想说什么？

What are gonna say, Robbie?

你真是……

You're so...

你插话了。

You're you're chiming in there.

你想说什么？

What are you saying?

哦，我喜欢拥抱。

Oh, I'm a hugger.

你知道，我喜欢拥抱别人。

You know, I like hugging people.

而且我

And I

前几天有个朋友来我家，

I had a friend coming over the other day that

我好久没见到他了。

I hadn't seen in a while.

我们打算在我家搞个保持社交距离的聚会。

We're gonna do a socially distanced thing at my house.

我记得当时在想，我不知道我能不能不拥抱这家伙。

I remember thinking, I don't know if I cannot hug this dude.

他就像，我

He's like, I've

从大学时就认识他了。

known him since I was in college.

但就是，对，我们不得不这么做。

But it's like, yeah, we had to do it.

我们只能像这样，打个招呼。

We had to just be like, Greetings.

你好。

Greetings.

这确实很奇怪，因为我也遇到过同样的情况。

And it's weird because I've had the same thing.

我在俄勒冈州，那是个小镇，你会遇到那种朴实无华的人。

I'm up in Oregon and it's a small town and you run into like, this is salt of the earth country.

你会遇到那些你认识的农民和伙计们。

You run into the farmers and the guys you've known.

我来这儿已经二十年了。

I've been coming up here twenty years.

你认识这些人，但他们也在努力做正确的事，努力遵守规则，保持健康。

You know these guys, but they're also trying to do the right thing, trying to check the right boxes and stay healthy.

所以他们醒来后。

So they woke up.

他们就说，嘿。

They're like, Hey.

你知道，因为不能握手，或者就是那种尴尬的停顿，熟人之间会有那种停顿，陌生人之间也有那种停顿。

Know, because you can't shake hands or that there's that awkward beat of people who know each other having that beat of people who don't know each other.

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what mean?

这给交流注入了一种以前没有的奇怪能量。

Has that, it injects a weird energy into the exchange that wasn't there before.

因为熟悉感，没人知道该怎么表达熟悉、尊重和问候。

Cause familiarity, no one knows how to express familiarity and respect and greetings.

真的很诡异。

It's very trippy.

我不知道。

I don't know.

确实很诡异。

Really trippy.

等尘埃落定之后，看看这一切会是什么样子，肯定会很有意思。

It's gonna be interesting to see how it all kind of looks when the dust settles.

是的，确实如此。

Yeah, it does.

肯定会很有意思。

It is gonna be interesting.

而且我觉得，最能深刻概括这一切的，就是罗伯的那首歌《告别握手》。

And I think nothing sums it up more poignantly than Rob's song Goodbye Handshake.

天哪。

Holy shit.

太美了，罗伯。

That was beautiful, Rob.

真的非常好。

That was really good.

真的很感谢你。

That was really Thank you so much.

哇。

Wow.

我很有感觉。

I was feeling it.

我一直在想这会是什么样子，你真的把它讲得很透彻。

I I was wondering what it was gonna look like and you really put it into perspective.

不。

No.

这太不可思议了。

It's unbelievable.

我不知道……

I don't...

我是说，我从来没想过把手臂从身体上砍下来，就像切掉一个附属肢体一样。

I mean, I never thought of severing the hand from the body cleaving an appendage.

你觉得那是……

You thought that was

是不是用词有点奇怪？

a weird choice of words?

好吧。

Okay.

嗯，我觉得用头撞和握手差不多。

Well Think that head butting would be the same as

握手。

a handshake.

我得想想，对。

I've gotta figure Yeah.

也许给我点思考的素材吧。

Maybe give me food for thought.

你喜欢那首美丽的歌吗？

Did you like Beautiful song,

拉维。

Ravi.

你喜欢那段小号独奏吗？

Did you like the trumpet solo?

我是说，我从来没想过小号和羽管键琴能搭，但你做到了。

I mean, I I I never think Or did you know I never think trumpet harpsichord, but you nailed it.

你把它们完美地结合在了一起。

You brought them both together.

就是这样，詹森。

That's it, Jensen.

他总是这么对我说。

That's what he always says to me.

他会先来一段，

He'll do

然后加上一些我觉得根本不可能完成的东西。

that bit and then add something that seems impossible for me to pull up.

你懂吧？

You know?

所以那是不可能的。

So not gonna happen.

还有一首法语奏鸣曲。

And a sonata in French.

大部分都没问题。

A lot of it's okay.

就这样。

That's it.

好的。

Okay.

行。

Alright.

你居然做到了。

You went there.

很多

A lot