Allegedly Wassa Happening: Unwell Summer

我在Threads上看到，而且

And I was on Threads, and

我发给了Jac。

I sent this to Jac.

我当时想，这越来越放飞自我了，但我超爱。

I was like, this is getting reckless and I love it.

没错。

Yep.

再来点这样的。

More of this.

所以有人，这实际上可能

So someone, this actually might have

你本可以直接说出名字。

You could been just name the name.

现在大家都知道了。

Everybody knows now.

亚历克斯·库珀。

Alex Cooper.

亚历克斯·库珀。

Alex Cooper.

有人评论说，这个选 Dakota 演她新剧的人让我觉得，她整个平台和品牌对女性的支持都只是做做样子。

And somebody said, this person casting Dakota in her new show makes me think her entire platform and brand of supporting women is just for show.

下面还有一条评论说：Keltie，100%，但带着八百万个零的百分比，根本不是女生的姐妹。

And then underneath it it says, Keltie, 100, but with like 8,000,000 zeros percent, not a girl's girl.

我的意思是，哪里有问题？

I mean, where's the lie?

据说，

Allegedly,

哪里有问题？

where's the lie?

我们现在能聊聊这个吗？

Can we talk about that now?

因为我真的需要谈谈这件事。

Because I I do do need to talk about it.

我们不谈。

We're not.

这就是你们在Substack上的LadyGang说的，我们就是觉得，什么

This is what you LadyGang on our Substack, we're like, what

你想要什么？

do you want?

他们说，

And they're like,

我们只是希望你能聊聊。

we just want you to talk.

我就说，那欢迎啊。

And I'm like, well, you're welcome.

你很快就会后悔的。

You're gonna regret that quickly.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

所以简而言之，等等，你那个是好周还是坏周？

So the TLDR wait, did you have a was that your good week, bad week?

你有什么吗？

Do you have anything

只是因为我觉得紧张。

It's only bad because I'm like nervous for

我们。

us.

随便吧。

Whatever.

谁在乎？

Who cares?

嗯，我们肯定会受邀上 caller daddy 的，我敢肯定。

Well, we're gonna be invited on caller daddy, I'm sure.

不，就是，我不知道。

No, just, I don't know.

我不知道。

I don't know.

营地里似乎有些心怀恶意的人，你瞧，

There seems to be some vindictive people in the camp, you Well,

随便吧。

whatever.

是的，但我知道太多秘密了。

Yeah, but I know too many secrets.

是的。

Yeah.

就像我会坐着，我知道太多秘密了。

Like I would sit, I would I I know too many secrets.

我知道太多可怕的秘密了。

I know too many horrible secrets.

我们要谈谈这件事，我并不反对，我认为对我来说，最后的导火索其实是让那个混蛋出演了一部剧。

We are gonna talk about this and and I don't disagree with I think that this is the final straw for me was actually casting that piece of shit in a show.

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我们来谈谈财务压力。

Let's talk about financial stress.

我的意思是，它影响的不仅仅是我们的银行账户。

I mean, it affects more than our bank accounts.

它可能对你的关系和心理健康造成严重打击。

It can take a serious toll on your relationships and your mental health.

在2026年初，有88%的美国人感到某种形式的财务压力，心理咨询可以帮助你。

With eighty eight percent of Americans feeling some sort of financial stress at the start of 2026, therapy can help.

心理咨询并不是关于财务建议，对吧？

Therapy isn't about financial advice, right?

而是关于管理随之而来的压力、羞耻感或焦虑。

But it's about managing the stress, shame, or anxiety that can come with it.

心理咨询能帮助你梳理与金钱的关系，建立更健康的应对策略，并让你在过程中不再感到孤单。

Therapy helps you unpack your relationship with money, build healthier coping strategies, and feel less alone in the process.

BetterHelp的心理咨询师都遵循严格的职业准则，并在美国持有完全执照。

BetterHelp therapists work according to a strict code of conduct and are fully licensed in The US.

凭借超过十二年的经验，你通常第一次就能匹配到最适合你的咨询师，但如果需要更换两三次甚至四次，也没关系。

With over twelve years of experience, you typically get matched with your best therapist at the first time, but if you need to switch two or three, four times, that's fine.

当生活让你感到不堪重负时，如果我们说过一次，那就等于说过上百万次——心理咨询能帮到你。

When life feels overwhelming, if you've heard us say it once, you've heard us say it a million times, therapy can help.

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这是BetterHelp，网址是betterhelp.com/ladygang。

That's betterhelp, help.com/ladygang.

现在回到LadyGang。

Now back to the ladygang.

好的。

Okay.

所以让我给其他人的名字做个简短总结。

So let me give the TLDR for anybody else's name.

抱歉，Jac，在你开始之前，因为你要这么做，我们在Substack上收到一条反馈，想提一下：当我们谈论流行文化时，有些人很忙，不了解背景，所以我们需要解释得更清楚一些。

Sorry, Jac, before you do this, because you are doing this, one of the notes we got on Substack, we'd love to take a note, is that when we talk about pop culture, some people are very busy and they don't know the story, and so we need to explain it more.

干得好，

So, Good job,

现在是调查记者杰克·范尼克。

is now investigative journalist, Jack Vanik.

这其实是我本来打算跟大家说的一条反馈。

This was actually a note that I was gonna have for us.

这太好了。

So this is great.

好的。

Okay.

很好。

Great.

准备好了。

Ready.

好的。

Okay.

所以，这种情况的简要总结是，库珀显然拥有她的Unwell网络。

So the TLDR with this situation, Cooper obviously has her Unwell Network.

他们刚刚推出了一部名为《Love Overboard》的节目。

They just put out a show called Love Overboard.

这部剧在Hulu上播出。

That's on Hulu.

这就像一档恋爱真人秀。

It's like a dating show.

我看了。

I watched it.

就是那样吧。

It's whatever.

所以当这个节目播出时，他们早就一直在为这个节目造势了。

So then she has as the show is airing, they had been teasing that show for a long time.

好的。

Okay.

这已经是一整件事了。

It's like been a whole thing.

然后上周，她突然发布了新节目。

And then last week out of nowhere, she posts new show.

这是角色阵容。

Here's the lineup of characters.

它叫《病怏怏冬季运动会》。

It's called Unwell Winter Games.

它是在一月左右拍摄于惠斯勒，下周就要播出了，这很奇怪，因为通常我都会为一档节目做很长一段时间的预热，对吧？

It was filmed in I think Whistler in January, and it's coming out like next week, which is weird because usually I have a big ramp up for a show, right?

通常都会有好几周的宣传，诸如此类的东西。

Like usually there's like weeks and weeks of press, whatever.

他们配上这张图，看起来就像是用Canva随便做的，上面列出了所有出演者。

The graphic graphic they put with it looks like it was made a shitty shittily in Canva of all of the people on it.

而且它下周开播，还会在YouTube上播出，也许Keltie可以聊聊为什么选择在YouTube上播出。

And the fact that it's airing next week, it's also airing on YouTube, which maybe Keltie can talk about what that choice would have been on YouTube.

而且一推出就引发了强烈反弹，因为节目里的所有人几乎都是反派角色。

And there was immediate backlash because the whole thing is all of the people on the show are all kind of villains.

但已经有一档叫《反派之家》的节目，里面也有一堆反派，不过那些反派挺搞笑的，比如汤姆·桑多瓦尔、《我爱纽约》里的角色，还有《出售日落》里的克里斯汀，他们都是有趣的反派。

But there's already a show called House of Villains that has a bunch of villains on it, but they're like funny villains like Tom Sandoval and like I Love New York and you know, and Christine from Selling Sunset, like they're fun villains.

更像是无害的反派，令人愉快的反派。

Is kind of like harmless villains, entertaining villains.

现在这些人简直是一群烂人，你知道的，他们一个都不有趣。

Now this is kind of like shitty people, you know, that like you don't like none of them are that entertaining.

他们全都是混蛋。

They're all like assholes.

当然，每个人都有意见的主要是达科塔。

And of course, the main person that everybody has an issue with is Dakota.

泰勒·弗兰基·保罗的前男友是这个节目主要的出演人物。

Taylor Frankie Paul's ex is the main like person cast on this show.

现在它正遭受大量批评，这完全是应得的。

Now it is getting a lot of backlash rightfully so.

而且这进一步引出了关于《单身女郎》为何被取消的讨论。

Know, and this goes further into the talk about like why The Bachelorette got canceled.

我对这件事的看法是，显然我不认同泰勒·弗兰基·保罗所做的一切。

And my thoughts about that is obviously I don't condone anything that Taylor Frankie Paul did.

但如果我们因为她的所作所为就取消《单身女郎》，那我们还应该取消很多其他涉及男性的节目，比如整个NFL现在都该被取消。

But if we're going to cancel The Bachelorette for the things that she has done, we should be canceling a lot of other things that men are in like the whole NFL at this point should be canceled.

很多演员都该被封杀。

Many, many actors should be canceled.

我们为什么要捧克里斯·布朗？

Why do we play Chris Brown?

这个克里斯·布朗真是让我想不通，他为什么还能有事业？他把蕾哈娜打得半死，还有照片为证，可他现在依然风生水起，好像什么都没发生过。

The this Chris Brown is my number one like why the does Chris Brown still have a career he beat Rihanna to a pulp and there's pictures of it and he's still just like thriving like nothing happened.

所有这些在音乐、体育和其他领域里的糟糕男人。

All of these shitty men in music, in sports and whatever.

科顿在和卡西·兰多夫发生那堆事之后——她对他申请了禁令，他还跟踪她——却依然被选中上《交易者》。

Again, Colton was cast to be on the traders after all of his shit that happened with Cassie Randolph and her getting a restraining order against him and his stalking her.

他还能获得平台，而泰勒·弗兰基·保罗却被封杀。

He gets platformed yet Taylor Frankie Paul gets canceled.

现在达科塔，她本该被封杀的。

And now the fact that Dakota She should have been.

如果我们想公平一点，但其实我们并不公平，不，根本不是

If we want to be fair, but we're not No, being

我知道。

I know.

但我是说，从道德角度来看，这些人都不该再被给予平台。

But I'm saying like on a moral on a moral standpoint, all these people should just be canceled, not canceled, but not given the platform.

是的，但是

Yeah, but

不幸的是，男人从来不会这样。

unfortunately that doesn't happen to men ever.

男人完全能逃避他们的行为。

Like men completely get away with their behavior.

男人反而会因为他们的行为得到奖励，达科塔现在在《Unwell Games》中正是如此，他因恶劣行为受到奖励，而且他还要上《Vanderpump Villa》。

Men get rewarded for their behavior and that's exactly what's happening with Dakota right now on these Unwell Games is he's being rewarded for his horrendous behavior as well, and he's also gonna be on Vanderpump Villa.

有太多这样的糟心事了。

There's like all this shit.

所以我完全支持这种抵制，而且这种抵制来自库珀——她一直把自己塑造成某种形象，这与她声称所代表的一切背道而驰。

So I completely agree with the backlash, and it's coming from, you know, Cooper always presents herself as this certain type of person, And it just is kind of going against all that she allegedly stands for.

所以我觉得这就完了。

So I think it's up.

我觉得这种抵制是合理的。

And I think that the backlash is justified.

这就是你的总结。

And that's your TLDR.

是的。

Yeah.

这个总结太棒了。

The TLDR is great.

我不喜欢，我觉得一切都走得太远了，被过度利用了，一切都是为了收视率在炒作，真让人沮丧。

I don't like, I think every, everything's gone too far, like exploited it, everything is so exploitative for ratings, and it's a real bummer.

首先，即使没有这段视频流出或被看到，泰勒·弗兰基·保罗当初被选为《恋爱对象》的女主角就已经是荒谬的。

First of all, the fact that Taylor Frankie Paul was ever slated to be the bachelorette even without this video having come out or being seen allegedly is bullshit.

比如，蕾切尔·林赛在她的播客中提到，作为一名黑人女性，我必须完美无瑕才能成为《恋爱对象》，我的社交记录上不能有任何争议性的东西。

Like, Rachel Lindsay was on her podcast saying, as a black woman, the way I had to be so perfect to become the bachelorette, I couldn't have anything on my, you know, social record, any anything at all controversial.

我得做个完美的端庄女性、好公民、好朋友，诸如此类。

I had to be the perfect stand up woman, citizen, friend, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

而你却把一个根本不合格、一塌糊涂的人推上全国平台，这太荒谬了。

And then you give this train wreck of a person who's not an eligible bachelorette the platform to the nation is bullshit.

这就是媒体发生的变化所在。

And that's the difference of what has changed in media.

而且，我们总是看这些视频，这也是我们的错。

And it's also our fault for watching these videos all the time.

我们沉迷于深度挖掘，也是我们的错，因为媒体只是想赚钱。

It's our fault for going on these deep dives because networks are just trying to make money.

亚历克斯·库珀很清楚，现在如果她推出这个节目，收视率肯定会爆棚，因为所有人都只盯着底线，而我们在TikTok上正是喂养这头怪兽的人。

Alex Cooper knows that right now if she puts this show out, it's going to get crazy numbers because everybody is just working for the bottom line and we're the ones on TikTok feeding the beast.

但《单身女郎》这个问题在于，这件事自2023年以来就是公开信息，ABC早就知道。

Well, the problem is with The Bachelorette thing is that was something that was public knowledge since 2023, and ABC knew.

ABC和Hulu是合作关系。

ABC works with Hulu.

她从未如此，这在《摩门教妻子》第一季第一集就明明白白地出现了。

She never It was literally on the first episode of the first season of Mormon Wives.

一切情况都十分透明，发生的一切都清清楚楚。

It was very transparent, everything that was going on.

那么，真正的责任究竟该归咎于谁呢？

So it's like, where really is the blame here?

在我看来，这完全是网络的责任。

Like, it's to me, it's like completely the network.

而现在他们却试图退缩，把责任推给别人，可他们明明知道自己在卷入什么。

And then it's like, now they're trying to backpedal and blame other people where it's like, they know what they're getting themselves into.

这显然是一个非常复杂的子议题。

That's obviously a very layered sub subject.

但说到‘不健康’这件事，简直太性别歧视了。

But I guess, with the unwell thing, it's just like, it's so misogynistic.

太虚伪了。

It's so hypocritical.

而且again，这就像在奖励男性做一些你却会谴责女性的行为。

And again, it's like rewarding men for behavior that you like, like, cancel women for.

我不想扯到奥普拉。

Not to bring Oprah into this.

是的。

Mhmm.

但我得告诉你一件事。

But I'm gonna tell you something.

我认为奥普拉温弗瑞频道没有成功的原因是，奥普拉，抱歉。

The reason I think the Oprah Winfrey network never took off is because Oprah, like sorry.

我知道这听起来太突然了，不，不是的。

I know this is like so random, just No.

你先听我说一会儿。

Go with me for a second.

明白。

Following.

奥普拉曾经因为在她的节目里做各种事情而闻名，后来她自己就成了奥普拉，比上帝还厉害，还帮你过上最好的生活，对吧？

Oprah was like known for doing all these things on Oprah show and then she became Oprah and she was like huller than God and she's like helping you live your best life, right?

然后她推出了这个频道，但什么都没火起来。

And then she launched this network and none of it ever took off.

我认为这是因为她有灵魂，她确实希望节目有一条积极的主线，比如看看我们是怎么因为梅根·马克尔想做闪亮的纸杯蛋糕而封杀她的。

And I think because she has a soul, I think that she did want a through line of like positive like, look at the way we like canceled Meghan Markle for wanting to make like sparkle cupcakes as a show.

人们都会说：‘我到底在看什么？’

And people are like, what the am I watching?

我们作为社会，确实对这些女性设定了极高的标准。

Like, so we as a like, we as a society, we do hold these women to this very high arch.

但在我看来，真正让亚历克斯·库珀特别的地方在于，她就是一个普通的女孩，上过大学，穿着运动裤，想变漂亮，还试过喷雾美黑。

But at her core, I think what made Alex Cooper really special is like she was that everyday girl, like went to college, wore her sweatpants, wanted to be hot, was trying out spray tans.

但不知怎么的，他们改变了这种形象。

And then like for some way they like shifted that.

但问题是，所有东西都会变成‘亚历克斯·库珀出品’，而她也会因此被当作女性赋权的代表来问责。

But the problem is is that everything's gonna be Alex Cooper Presents, and then she's gonna be held accountable as this like woman's empowerment.

天哪。

Oh my god.

女孩流行文化登上杂志封面，看似为女性在媒体中创造了空间，但实际上却是由一些男人替Unwell和Alex做出这些糟糕的决定，而名字却挂的是她的。

Girly pop on the cover of magazines like creating space for women in media except that you're doing it by like making these shitty decisions that like in my opinion, it's a bunch of men making that decision on behalf of Unwell for Alex, but it's her name on it.

所以她必须决定：我是要做像奥普拉那样的人，让每个人都尊重我，改变世界，成为女性赋权的象征？

So she has to decide like, am I gonna be, you know, Oprah or and everyone's gonna respect me and I'm gonna like change the world and be this vision of women's empowerment?

还是不做那样的人？

Or am I gonna be not that?

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

还是说我只是像娱乐圈里其他人一样，仅仅为了赚钱？

And am I gonna just be the rest of us in show business just making a dollar?

我觉得你不可能两者兼得。

Like I don't think you can be both.

我以前说过。

I've said it before.

你可以的。

You can.

这些公司的高层，比如LadyGang为什么达不到同样的水平，是因为我们做事是有灵魂的。

The people at the head of all of these companies, like, the reason that LadyGang is not on the same level is like, we do things with a soul.

不幸的是，我们不想压过所有人。

Like, unfortunately, we didn't wanna go over everyone.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

所以，那些打造出大品牌和大公司的人都必须非常无情。

And so, the people that make it and make these big brands and these big companies, like, you have to be so ruthless.

你来决定。

You decide.

我有个提案。

I have a pitch.

如果要成为美国总统，你必须符合某些条件，你知道的

What if so, you know, to be the president of The United States, you have to fall under certain categories like, you know

做个男人。

Be a man.

是的。

Yeah.

做个公民。

Be a citizen.

你看，某种意义上，我确定你不能有‘是的’这种说法。

Here, you know, some sort of like, I'm sure you can't have Yeah.

从纸面上看，你必须符合某些条件才能做这件事。

Been like on paper, there's things you have to be like any, you have to qualify to do this thing.

别让我们送命，贾克。

Please don't get us killed, Jac.

谢谢。

Thank

你。

you.

你真该看看我在第一季里说的那些话。

You should even see the shit I say on first degree.

这个我知道。

This is I know.

但我说的只是个例子。

But I'm saying, this is just an example.

比如，我对咱们所接受的无害的戏剧性情节没什么意见。

Like, I'm fine with the harmless drama that we're taking in.

如果你想要把一个一团糟但没伤害过任何人的人搬上电视——那些没在孩子在场时砸过酒吧凳子的人——这里面是有层次的，至少我们能不能说，不会把那些有过家庭暴力纠纷的人送上电视？

If you wanna put somebody on TV that's a hot mess, but hasn't harmed anybody, who hasn't thrown a barstool with her kid in the room, there's just levels of like, can we at least say that we won't put somebody on television that has been in a domestic dispute.

我是说，他们俩都这样，达科塔，

They're so as Dakota,

他们俩曾经一起卷入过家庭纠纷。

they have been into domestic disputes together.

我说的是他们两个人。

I'm saying both of them.

任何经历过家庭暴力的人都不应该出现在电视上。

Neither of them Anybody should be on that's been in domestic dispute, like, should not be allowed to be on television.

这又回到了

Which goes back

我的观点是，很多东西都该被封杀。

to my point is many things should be canceled then.

我们该封杀掉电视上一半的内容。

Like we should cancel half of the shit that's on TV.

所有的体育赛事，所有的音乐人，比如，

All of the sports games, all of the musicians like Well,

这是一条底线。

it's a line.

这是一条底线。

It's a line.

我在说的是现实。

I'm I'm talking reality.

只是一个女人。

Just a woman.

那就是我有问题的地方。

That's that's where I'm at problem.

我说我

Saying I'm

我不是那个意思。

I'm not saying that.

那个。

That.

我说的是真人秀节目里的人。

I'm saying reality TV people.

真人秀节目里的人，就是这样。

People on reality TV, period.

任何制作真人秀节目的人。

Anybody producing a reality television.

我们能不能都同意，别再让那些垃圾人变得出名、富有和重要了？

Can we not just all agree to stop making trash garbage people famous and rich and relevant?

那些是

Those are

神话。

the myths.

他们制造

They make

最好的真人秀。

the best reality TV.

但也有那么一段时间，很多人在看《主妇》系列。

But there's also a time where we had people are plenty of people are watching the housewives.

你知道的？

You know?

在他们中任何人惹上法律麻烦之前，他们只是在玩得开心、表现疯狂。

It's like before any of them started to get in legal trouble, they were just having fun and being crazy.

我们仍然喜欢看人们玩得开心、表现疯狂。

We still like watching people have fun and be crazy.

看看《夏日小屋》吧。

Look at Summer House.

没人做任何违法的事。

Nobody's doing anything illegal.

没人打任何人。

Nobody's beating anybody up.

那里有足够的戏剧性让我们观看。

There's plenty of drama there for us to take in.

但那就是我现在想要的。

But like, that's what I want now.

我受够了那些垃圾人被送上电视，却没有任何问责。

I'm so sick of garbage humans being put on TV and like there's no accountability.

我们以前拍电视时还得签合同。

There's we used have to sign contracts to be on television.

这是一个道德条款，如果你酒后驾车，就不能上福克斯电视台的节目。

It's a moral clause that you can't be on a Fox TV show if you go have a DUI.

为什么现在这些人反而能上电视，赚的钱比我们任何人都多？

Why on earth can these people now go and be on television, make way more money than any of us ever did?

我想说的是，我感觉Hulu已经放弃了《冬季游戏》。

The other thing I just want to say is that I have a feeling that Hulu passed on Winter Games.

我认为他们原本计划稍后播出，但现在因为这些争议，他们抓住了时机，只想赶紧推出。

I think believe that they were planning on airing it later but now because of the drama they're capitalizing on the timing and so they just want to slap

把它放上去，更疯狂一点。

it on Be more fucked up.

对。

Right.

我相信，听我说，我完全不知道。

I believe, and listen, I have no idea.

我对任何事都不了解，但我感觉亚历克斯和Hulu签了某种整体协议。

I don't know anything about anything, but I think it feels like Alex has some sort of overall deal with Hulu.

因为当是的。

Because when yes.

所以我感觉她和Hulu有整体协议。

So I feel like there's an overall deal with Hulu.

她主持过它们。

She hosted them.

我觉得，据说是基于她和Hulu有协议这个事实，因为她做了麦莉·赛勒斯那档节目。

She I feel allegedly based on fact that she has a deal with Hulu because she did the Miley Cyrus thing.

她的纪录片在Hulu上。

Her documentary is on Hulu.

约会节目也在Hulu上。

The dating shows on Hulu.

感觉Hulu就是她的归属。

Like, this feels like Hulu's the home.

对吧？

Right?

那为什么这一切突然会出现在YouTube上？

So why would this all of a sudden be on YouTube?

所以我觉得，他们可能是突然意识到：天啊，我们得赶紧把这东西放出去。

So to me, it's like they were like, oh shit, we gotta put this out now.

而Hulu说，我们正忙于《单身汉》和摩门教妻子之间的内容，焦头烂额。

And Hulu said, we are in the weeds between The Bachelorette and Mormon wives.

我们不能让达科塔在外面曝光，然后取消这个项目。

We cannot have Dakota out there and cancel this.

于是他们说：好吧，那你们得放弃它的版权，我们直接把它放到YouTube上，毕竟你们已经投了所有钱。

And they were like, okay, well then you have to give up your rights to it and we're just gonna put it on YouTube because they spent all the money on it.

现在也是春天了。

It's also spring.

明白吗？

Okay?

冬季奥运会结束了，现在是春天。

Winter Games, it's spring.

是的

Yeah.

但这个

But the

这 definitely 很可疑，而且那个图形太差了

it's definitely fishy and that graphic was so bad

那个以她名字命名的

that This like some in her name was

也原本计划要发布

was also supposed to come

现在就发布。

out now.

它本来就不该发布，这样挺好。

It was never supposed to come out and we're good.

我是说，我真的不需要它。

Like, I I don't don't need it.

所以我们没问题。

So We're fine.

我要跳过了。

I'm skipping.

大家好，LadyGang。

Hi, LadyGang.

我是Jac。

It's Jac.

如果你现在正在收听并且喜欢LadyGang，那你一定熟悉我们毫无保留的对话。

So if you're listening right now and you love the LadyGang, you know our unfiltered conversations.

我们能不能稍微放飞一下？

May we get a little bit unhinged?

如果你还没听说过我的另一个播客，你一定会喜欢。

You're gonna love my other podcast if you haven't heard about it.

它叫《第一度》，和LadyGang有点不同，但我觉得是更好的那种不同。

It's called the first degree, and it's a little bit different from LadyGang, but I think in the best way.

每一集，我们都会通过与案件有直接关联的人的视角来讲述真实的犯罪故事。

So every episode, we tell true crime stories through the lens of somebody who is actually connected to the case.

我指的是朋友、邻居、同学，那些在全世界其他人之前就知晓内情的人。

I'm talking friends, neighbors, classmates, somebody who knew what was happening before the rest of the world did.

这很感人。

It's emotional.

这太疯狂了。

It's wild.

这深深体现了人性。

It's deeply human.

我们为它投入了大量精力，有时它会让你彻夜难眠。

We put so much work into it, and sometimes it will keep you up at night.

我不会骗你。

I'm not gonna lie.

所以，如果你喜欢深入探究、阴谋论，或者对真实犯罪感兴趣，欢迎来我的《第一度》节目和我一起交流。

So if you love a good deep dive or a conspiracy theory or if you're just into true crime, come hang out with me over at the first degree.

只需在你收听播客的任何平台搜索《第一级别》，我在那里等你。

Just search the first degree wherever you get your podcasts, and I will see you there.

你正在收听《女士帮》。

You're listening to the LadyGang.

杰克，跟我讲讲《夏日小屋》吧。

Tell me about Summer House, Jack.

好的。

Okay.

关于《夏日小屋》的新闻，我该从哪儿说起呢？

So in the news of Summer House, it's like where do I even begin?

我其实写了一些笔记，本来打算自己做个深度剖析，但时间不够。

Should I give like sort of the I wrote some notes down because I was actually gonna do my own deep dive, but I didn't have enough time.

《夏日小屋》始于2017年。

So Summer House started in 2017.

第一季时，凯尔就是原始成员之一。

Season one, Kyle was an original member.

我们要聊几个人。

There's a couple people that we're going to talk about.

凯尔、阿曼达、西耶拉、韦斯特。

Kyle, Amanda, Sierra, West.

凯尔是2017年《夏日小屋》的原始主演之一。

Kyle was an original cast member of Summer House in 2017.

他开始和阿曼达约会。

He starts hooking up with Amanda.

他们只是随便约会。

They're just like casually hooking up.

2018年第二季，他们开始 exclusively 约会。

2018 season two, they start dating exclusively.

她成为了《夏日小屋》的主演。

She becomes a cast member on Summer House.

然后在2021年，我想他们第二年订婚了。

Then in 2021, I think they get engaged the next year.

然后在2021年，他们结婚了。

And then in 2021, they get married.

他们订婚的那一年，西拉加入了《夏日之屋》。

The year that they get engaged, Sierra joins Summer House.

所以她几乎从节目一开始就在《夏日之屋》了。

So she has been on Summer House since almost the very beginning.

她是一个与所有人关系都非常亲密的成员，尤其是阿曼达。

A cast member that's very close with everybody, especially Amanda.

她们简直是最好的朋友。

They were like besties.

所以凯尔和阿曼达在2021年订婚了。

So Kyle and Amanda get engaged in 2021.

第二年，我想韦斯特加入了节目。

The next year, I think West joins the show.

西拉和韦斯特立刻产生了共鸣，他们之间有一段时分时合的关系，每次都彻底分手。

Sierra and West like connect immediately and they have this like on and off relationship where he totally are over.

他想和她复合，这种分分合合的关系。

He get wants to get back together with her as this like push and pull.

她好像根本没说过她爱过他们。

She is like very much I don't know if she's ever said she's in love with them.

但这段关系非常动荡，充满了各种情绪。

But like it's a very tumultuous relationship where there's a lot of emotions involved.

这就像是你看到朋友陷入的一种关系。

And it's just like one of those things that you see one of your friends get into.

这简直就是那种人，总结起来就是这样。

And it's like, this is the person that sum up.

这就是

This is

坏消息。

bad news.

这是真的

It's the real

但这段关系就是那样，不管持续多久，即使他们在一起很久，可正是这段关系把你伤得最深，真的，非常糟糕。

but it's the relationship that like, it doesn't matter how long it is, even though theirs was long, but like that's the one that fucked you up, you know, really, really bad.

我们都经历过这样的关系。

We've all had one of those.

于是他们陷入了这段感情中。

So they get into this whole thing.

第九季，也就是去年，他们一度分手了，但现在夏天又复合了。

Season nine, which was last year, they had kind of like broken things off, but now they're together in the summer.

他们之间的氛围很奇怪。

And it's just like weird vibes between them.

韦斯特在向西耶拉低头讨好，想重新赢得她的好感。

West is kind of like groveling towards Sierra, like he wants to get back in her good graces.

她之所以让他靠近，是因为他又是个你永远放不下的人。

She's like sort of letting him in because again, it's like the guy you can never get over.

而目前正在播出的是第十季。

And then season ten is the one that's airing right now.

这是去年夏天拍摄的。

It was filmed last summer.

在第十季中，凯尔和阿曼达的关系非常不稳定。

And in season ten, Kyle and Amanda are like in a very rocky situation.

这对已婚夫妇。

The married couple.

这对已婚夫妇，关系极其糟糕。

The married couple, Very, very rocky.

他一直觉得自己年纪大了。

He his whole thing was like, he's older.

他快五十岁了。

He's like in his mid 40s.

他总是半夜出去喝酒，表现得像个十足的混蛋。

And he was always going out and drinking super late at night being a total asshole.

他经常睡在别处，完全不像个丈夫该做的。

He would like sleep other places, not what a husband should be doing.

而她一直以来都是这段关系中的受害者，虽然她一直在忍受，但他对她和别人都极其恶劣，大家都说她该离开他，可她始终没走。

And she was all always kind of like the victim in their relationship, but she was like taking it, but he was being horrible to her and everybody's like, should leave him and then she never did.

她简直就是阿丽安娜·马多克斯。

She was the Ariana Maddox, if you will.

是的，没错。

Yeah, exactly.

在今年一月，也就是目前这一季正在发生的事，他们正经历着动荡的婚姻。

In January, so basically what's happening in the season that's happening right now, they're having their tumultuous marriage.

西erra和West正在

Sierra and West are

仍然在调情。

still of flirting.

他正试图挽回她。

He's trying to get back with her.

房子里有种奇怪的氛围，但这种情况仍在继续。

It's this weird energy in the house, but it's still kind of happening.

快进到一月，凯尔和阿曼达宣布他们要离婚，所有人都说：终于啊，阿曼达甩掉了那个渣男。

Fast forward to January, Kyle and Amanda make a statement that they're getting a divorce and everybody is like, finally Amanda, got rid of the trash.

这简直就像救赎之旅。

Like it's like redemption arc.

大家都觉得，阿曼达唯一的问题就是凯尔，现在你自由了，可以变回性感单身，做任何你想做的事。

Everybody's like the only shitty thing about Amanda was Kyle like, now you can be free and hot and single and do whatever you want.

所以从一月开始，这几乎就成了她的故事主线。

So that's like kind of been her narrative since January.

然后我们现在快进到三月。

And then now we fast forward to March.

在三月，各种传言四起，说阿曼达和韦斯特可能正在变得亲密起来。

In March, there is all of these rumors that are kind of circulating that like Amanda and West might be sort of getting comfy cozy with each other.

节目成员们接受了采访。

Cast members are being interviewed.

凯尔就这件事接受了采访。

Kyle was interviewed about it.

他说，如果这是真的，那简直太荒谬了。

He's like, I this would be absurd if this was really true.

没人相信这件事。

Nobody is believing it.

但到处都是些奇怪的匿名爆料。

It's but there's all these weird blind items.

而现在快进到上周，3月31日，阿曼达和韦斯特发布了一份联合声明。

And now fast forward to last week, March 31, Amanda and West put out a joint statement.

这简直疯了。

Which is bananas.

说什么我们如何如何，诸如此类的话。

Saying we this, we that, yada yada yada.

确认了。

Confirming.

确认他们确实在一起了。

Confirming that yes, they have been together.

但这份声明很模糊。

But the statement is vague.

我没法马上把它找出来。

It's not like I can pull it up in a second.

也不是说，‘我很抱歉，我的好朋友。’

It's not like, oh, I'm so sorry to my best friend.

西拉根本没提到西拉。

Sierra doesn't even acknowledge Sierra.

这基本上就是说，我们看到了谣言，所以必须回应一下。

It was basically like, we see the rumors and we have to acknowledge this.

我们本不希望事情变成这样。

We didn't mean for this to happen.

原本是友谊，现在却演变成了别的东西。

What started out as a friendship has now evolved into something else.

他们也没有确认他们是否真的在认真交往。

They also did not confirm that they are actually exclusively dating.

更准确地说，我们之间不止是普通关系，有些事情正在发生。

It's more so we're more than Something's going on.

所以确实有些事情正在发生。

So something's going on.

现在说到这一周，我重新回看这一季，发现一切都变了。

So now that brings us to this week and it's just like now people I went back and I'm watching the season again.

我在寻找各种线索。

I'm looking for clues.

人们翻出去年的匿名爆料，试图弄清楚他们到底是什么时候开始交往的，这太糟糕了，因为这简直是对你最好的朋友的终极背叛。

People are pulling up blind items from last year trying to figure out when they actually were hooking up and it's just so fucked up because it's the ultimate betrayal of your best friend.

阿曼达和西耶拉是最好的朋友。

Amanda and Sierra were best friends.

西耶拉曾经在阿曼达需要时无条件支持她，可现在却变成了这样，简直让人难以置信。

Sierra was there for Amanda for everything And now it's just, it's so it's so up.

你最好的朋友居然和那个你最在意的男生在一起了。

It's like your best friends hooking up with the the one guy that's like the guy.

就像你成年后谈恋爱时，你知道你可以和其他人约会，但总有一个人是不能碰的。

It's like when you date when you're like an adult, and you're like, you know, you can date other people have data, but there's the one that's off limits.

而韦斯特就是西拉不能碰的那个人，现在她最好的朋友却和他在一起了。

And West was the one that's off limits for Sierra and her best friend is now him.

雅克·莱恩教授，您觉得有没有交叉关系？

Professor Jac Lane, do you think there was crossover?

有。

Yes.

您觉得

Do you

艾曼达是否在和韦斯特交往的同时

think there was times that Amanda was with West while

所以有一条记录显示我曾说过

So there is a line item I came out that

确实如此。

it did.

你知道那些疯狂的日日夜夜吗？它们有点像之前的匿名爆料，但其实都是真实事件。

Do you know that crazy days and nights they were kind of like pre demois but they like our blind items that are true basically.

2025年6月5日。

06/05/2025.

这发生在他们去年开始拍摄《夏日小屋》之前。

This is before they even started filming Summer House last year.

他们是在七月开始拍摄的。

They started filming in July.

他们发帖称，这位季节性真人秀明星在欺骗她的伴侣。

They posted this seasonal house reality star is cheating on her significant other.

所以，当时有多少位《夏日小屋》的女性正处于恋爱关系中？就在同一天，6月5日，艾曼达在Instagram上发了一条动态，只是一张她的照片，配文是‘我违背了婚誓’，背景音乐是霍伯特的歌——你知道她是谁吗？

So like how many Summer House women were in relationships and then on that very same day, June 5, Amanda makes a post on Instagram and it's just a picture of her and it said, broke my wedding vows as the caption and the song that was playing, you know, Hobart, the do know who that is?

她是格蕾西·艾布拉姆斯最好的朋友。

She's Gracie Abrams Best Friend.

她是一位音乐人。

She's a musician.

她播放的那首歌叫《Sue Me》，歌词是：‘宝贝，我一直对你很谨慎，但我却晚归，当圣人太累了。’

She had her song playing that's called Sue Me and the lyrics in Sue Me are I've been so careful with you babe, but I've been out late and being a saint is exhausting.

《Sue Me》，我想被需要。

Sue Me I want to be wanted.

所以她播放这首歌时，放的就是这些歌词。

So those are the lyrics that she's playing over the song.

她发帖说自己违背了婚誓？

She posted that she broke her wedding vows?

在6月5日。

On June 5.

为什么偏偏选在‘疯狂日与夜’的匿名爆料曝光的同一天，而West也在同一天，6月5日发帖？

Why would you Same do day that the crazy days and nights Blind Item was revealed and then West posts the same day, June 5.

他配的歌是MGK的《My Ex's Best Friend》。

And his song on it is My Ex's Best Friend by MGK.

我不知道。

I don't know.

我的意思是，听好了，仔细体会言外之意。

I mean, listen, read between the lines.

但那只是我找到的其中一件事。

But that's only one thing I could find.

我没有足够的信息来做深入挖掘。

I didn't have enough to do a true deep dive.

不过，人们确实在猜测这件事是从什么时候开始的。

But yeah, so people are speculating when this started.

我 definitely 认为拍摄期间就发生了些什么。

I definitely think something was going on during filming.

他们非常亲密亲热。

They're very touchy feely.

这真的很奇怪。

It's really weird.

而且确实，我只是觉得这事太明显了。

And yeah, I just think it's it's so up.

好吧。

Alright.

西耶拉参加了《与星共舞》。

Sierra in Dancing with the Stars.

就是这样。

It's all.

嗯，西耶拉参与这件事简直是给她最好的礼物。

Well, Sierra's gonna be doing this is the best thing that could have ever happened to Sierra

在她自己的事情里。

in Best her thing.

她本来就美丽、迷人、幽默、聪明，样样俱全，完美人选。

She's already stunning, gorgeous, beautiful, funny, smart, all the things, total package.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，她将扮演罗克西·哈特。

I mean, she's gonna be Roxie Hart

在

on

芝加哥。

Chicago.

她哦，将参加《与星共舞》。

She's Oh, gonna be Dancing with the Stars.

她将扮演各种角色。

She's gonna be every face of everything.

这将是她经历过的最好的事情。

It's gonna be the best thing she's ever had happen to her.

是的。

Yeah.

我只是觉得确认这个谣言太疯狂了。

I just I just think it is so crazy to confirm the rumor.

即使你们真的在一起，或者你们做出了极其糟糕的判断，或者你们就是个糟糕的人，也不该这么蠢。

Even if you are sleeping together and you're having a really huge lapse in judgment or you're just a shitty person and you're doing this, don't be so dumb.

别这么短视。

Don't be so shortsighted.

这让我确信韦斯特是个操控大师。

Like, this proves to me that West is a master manipulator.

而且，还有一点也出来了，他过去一年里有个完整的女朋友，是的。

Well, and also what was coming out too is he had a whole ass girlfriend Yes.

在过去一年里，有人在圣帕特里克节看到他在芝加哥。

Over the past year that he was seen on St.

和……

Patrick's Day in Chicago with.

所以他们甚至不是情侣。

So they're not even exclusive.

他还在和其他女孩交往，却成功操控了阿曼达，让她说出这种奇怪的话。

He's still other girls and he's manipulated Amanda enough to make this weird ass statement.

你们根本就没在一起。

It's like, you're not even together.

这太疯狂了。

Like, this is so wild.

你把一切都放弃了。

You threw it all away.

直到死你都要否认。

Deny it until you die.

嗯，你可以学学《摩门妻子》里的杰西。

Well, it's, I mean, take a page out of Jesse from Mormon Wives book.

她和米兰达前夫也发生过类似的事。

The same kind of thing happened with her and Miranda's husband, ex husband.

她对此一字不提，人们都快忘了这件事了，你知道吗？

She hasn't made a peep about it and people are forgetting about it, know?

就像，

Like,

我不知道。

I don't know.

说到关注的人，我今天最后一个话题是：我们对詹·肖出狱却没人关心这件事，感到一丝愧疚吗？

Speaking of peeps, my last topic for today is do we feel at all bad for Jen Shaw that she's getting out of jail and nobody cares?

我们想想詹·肖，她来自《秘密生活》

Like we think about Jen Shaw from, she is from Secret Life

还是不是？

or no?

不是，是盐湖城。

No, Salt Lake City.

盐湖城主妇。

Salt Lake City Housewives.

她已经在监狱里待了三年。

She's been in jail for three years.

地区。

Region.

她因诈骗入狱三年。

She's in jail for three years for fraud.

骗老年人。

For scamming old people.

骗老年人。

For scamming old people.

所以她一直和伊丽莎白·霍姆斯关在同一个监狱里。

So she has been sitting in jail with Elizabeth Holmes.

她叫她利齐，这太疯狂了。

She calls her Lizzie, which is so wild.

天哪。

Oh my god.

太惊人了。

Amazing.

所以她们整个时间都关在一起。

So they're in jail together the whole time.

她就说，天哪。

She's like, oh my god.

我的意思是，她进监狱的时候，这可是世纪大新闻。

Like, when she went into jail, it was the story of the century.

我的意思是，不可能再大了。

I mean, it could not have been bigger.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

所以她在监狱里想着，天啊，我马上就要出狱了。

So she's in jail and she's thinking, my god, I'm gonna get out of jail.

她打出了唯一一次电话，让人帮她安排好《人物》杂志的专访。

She's calling her person with her one phone call being like, make sure to arrange my People Magazine article.

我就要出来了。

Like, I'm coming out.

我得跟你们好好说说这事。

I'm gonna tell you all about it.

而这周，她终于出狱了。

And this is the week that she arrives out of jail.

她做了一期《人物》杂志的独家专访。

She does an exclusive People sit down.

我得说实话，我对这个故事着迷极了。

And I have to be honest, I was so enthralled with the story.

我甚至都没看。

I haven't even watched it.

我现在在追《夏日小屋》。

I'm on to Summer House.

我不在乎。

I don't care.

我觉得这时间选得真糟。

And I'm like I mean bad timing.

太糟糕了。

Horrible.

我真希望她能再在牢里待上几周，至少该挑个新闻淡季再出狱。

I would have literally stayed in jail another couple weeks to like she should have only popped out of jail when it was a slow news week.

因为这也是一种报应，给那些安排她采访的人，因为我们正在让越来越多的罪犯和混蛋上电视。

Because Also, it's karma for whoever booked her to have that interview because, we're putting more people that are criminals and assholes on TV.

所以，呃，我

So Also, like, I

我只是觉得，我是说，我看过《盐湖城》，像法尔韦瑟利那样的，所以我对这些事很了解。

just don't think that I mean, I I watched Salt Lake City, like, Fairweatherly, like, so I know about it.

但，这真的那么有趣吗？

But, like, is it that interesting?

她真的有那么特别吗？

Is she that?

她做了什么？

What she did?

我的意思是，这真的很糟糕，当它变得八卦时，我觉得只要

I mean, it's very fucked up, like when it can be salacious, it's like It only I think any time

只要名人入狱，就总是很有趣。

a famous person goes to jail, it's interesting.

没错。

Right.

所以

So

这仅仅是与其他所有人所做的事情相比而已。

it's It's only Comparatively to everything else that people are doing.

是的。

Yes.

因为她曾长期过着极其富裕的生活，拥有这一切。

Because she had this multiple seasons of being so wealthy, having like, she just lived this life.

就像《比佛利娇妻》里的阿曼达·弗朗西斯，她散发出的就是同样的气质。

It's like if Amanda Francis from Housewives of Beverly Hills, it's the same energy she gives.

你懂的？

You know?

如果阿曼达·弗朗西斯因诈骗老人而被捕，每个人都会立刻停下手中的一切。

Everybody would would stop everything they're doing if Amanda Francis got arrested for scamming old people.

因为你会希望看到这个人垮掉，因为你内心深处和灵魂里都感觉有些不对劲。

Because it's like you wanted to see this person go down because you knew in your guts and soul Something was weird.

有什么地方不对。

Something is off.

是的。

Yeah.

当你得到证实的时候，大家都说，而且詹也完全疯了，精神失常。

And then when you get confirmation, everybody was like and she's also Jen was also fully unhinged, psychotic.

是的。

Yeah.

她与人互动的方式，简直比家庭主妇节目里的人还要卑劣。

The way she interacted with people, she was like too too scummy for housewives.

你知道吗？

You know?

她根本不该出现在这类节目里，她其实更该出现在别的地方，而且她表现得更过分

Like, she belonged on something else and turns She was out like more

像是一个坏女孩俱乐部。

of a bad girls club.

是的。

Yes.

她本该去参加《Unwell Games》的，你知道的？

She should have gone on Unwell Games, you know?

就是这样。

There you go.

她很可能真的会去。

She probably will be.

下个赛季。

Next season.

绝对是《House of Villains》。

Definitely House of Villains.

Anyway，抱歉啊，Jen Shaw。

Anyway, sorry to you, Jen Shaw.