SPIRIT DAUGHTER

作为一家企业，我们没有客户服务。

As a business, we have no customer service.

但作为一家企业，如果你有一个客户服务机器人，那也可以。

But as a business, if you have a customer service bot, fine.

这没问题。

That's fine.

但你还必须提供一个真正能收到回复的客户服务邮箱。

But you also have to have a customer service email that actually goes somewhere.

机器人不能是你唯一的客户服务方式，The

The bot cannot be your only form of customer The

机器人不能成为进入服务的障碍。

bot cannot be the barrier of entry.

这不行。

It can't be.

根本没有邮箱。

There was no email.

根本没有电话号码。

There's no phone number.

根本不存在真正的公司。

There's no actual business.

根本找不到人联系。

There's no one to contact.

他们还说，哦，当我给他们打电话时，他们说，哦，我们一直发邮件给这个地址。

And they're like, oh, and then when I called them, they were like, oh, we've been sending emails to this.

邮件一直被退回。

It's been bouncing.

好吧，贱人。

Okay, bitch.

如果你这个邮箱已经退回了七个月，你难道不觉得我们应该知道吗？我的社保信息也……

If you've been bouncing this email for seven months, you don't think we should I know you know my Social Security Also,

你告诉我这是唯一绑定的邮箱，那它怎么会退信呢？

how is your email bouncing when you're telling me that's the one connected

到收费账户。

To the charge account.

是的。

Yeah.

如果邮件被退回，收费也应该被退回。

If the email is bouncing, the charge should be bouncing.

好的。

Okay.

这真的让我很生气。

Is this is, like, really pissing me off.

真的让我很生气。

Like, really pissing me off.

因为我们根本就没在使用。

Cause it's like we haven't even been using.

对。

Right.

你能看到你们的产品有多烂。

You can see Your how many product sucks.

它根本没给我们我们需要的东西。

It didn't even give us what we needed.

天啊。

Oh my god.

好想说出它的名字，但我还是不说了。

Wanna say the name of it so badly, but I'm going to.

我们这周的通讯稿名字就用这个。

We're gonna put it it's the name of the newsletter this week.

是的。

Yes.

保密。

Secret.

不行。

No.

这完全是胡扯。

It's bullshit.

这完全是胡扯。

It's It's bullshit.

纯粹的胡扯。

Absolute bullshit.

现在你想想，如果我当初注册了欢乐时光邮件俱乐部——我本来很想注册的，但我的信用卡被盗了，等我终于打算去注册的时候，我已经没法注册了，然后我去尝试用苹果支付。

Now Do you think for one second if I signed up for the happy hour mail club, which I wanted to, but I couldn't because my credit card got stolen when I finally got around to it, and then I went and tried to Apple Pay.

我的苹果支付没设置好，我得加入这一大堆借口的行列了。

My Apple Pay is not set up, I'm going to join this lot of excuses.

我加入了。

I'm joining.

如果我有一秒钟写信给雅克·瓦纳克，说我没有收到欢乐时光邮件俱乐部的信息，她一定会说：天哪。

If for one second, I wrote Jac Vannak and said, didn't get my happy hour mail club, she would be like, oh my god.

我真的很抱歉。

I'm so sorry.

她会追到天涯海角

And she would go to the end

到世界的尽头。

of the earth.

她会

She would

为了查清楚你这个月的印刷品在哪，连早午餐都放弃。

skip brunch to find out where the your print was this month.

我确实会这么做。

I do do that.

那你去吧。

So go yourself.

坦白说，我们的周边商品有时确实需要一段时间才能送到顾客手中。

Granted, our merch does sometimes take a while to get to people.

但我知道你是这样的。

But I know you are.

我们修好了。

We fixed it.

我们修复了处理流程。

We fixed the processing.

不。

No.

好吧。

Okay.

人们订购了商品，第二天就立即发货了。

People ordered merch and it immediately got sent out the next day.

我们找到办法了。

We figured it out.

很好。

Good.

好吧。

Okay.

看，正在解决一些问题。

See, working on the kinks.

在解决这些问题。

Working out the kinks.

如果你给我们发邮件，会联系到真人，而不是机器人。

If you email us, you'll get a real person, not a bot.

是的。

Yeah.

这太扯淡了。

It's bullshit.

好吧。

Okay.

嗯，我这周状态不错，我就以一个圆满的结尾结束吧。

Well, my good week, I'll I'll, like, kick I'll end this on a high note.

好。

K.

你知道吗，十年前我们刚开始做LadyGang的时候，我们只是几个一团乱麻的人。

You know, when we started LadyGang ten years ago, we were just met hot messes of humans.

我们不知道自己要去哪里。

We didn't know where we were going.

我们也不知道自己将走向何方。

We didn't know the direction we were headed in.

当时有很多问号，比如：我该做什么？

And there was, like, a lot of question marks, like, what am I gonna do?

我会成为什么样的人？

Who am I gonna be?

我会发挥出全部的潜力吗？

Am I gonna tap into my full potential?

我非常开心。

I'm very happy.

还有，Jac，我刚看到你最近做的一个广告，就是那个香氛产品的Instagram广告。

And, Jac, seeing one of your recent actually, it's an Instagram ad that you did for the scented thing.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

这太棒了。

Which is so good.

对。

Yeah.

我要下单买它。

I'm gonna order it.

而且你把这一切都融入到了你的艺术中。

And it's you, like, tying it all into your art.

这让我想起，现在你和凯蒂都在充分发挥自己的潜力。

Just it reminded me that, like, right now, you and Keltie are both working at your full potential.

你就是你一直梦想成为的艺术家。

Like, you're the artist that you've been dreaming of being.

凯蒂则是她一直想成为的天才怪才。

Keltie's this evil genius that she's always wanted to be.

我整天都会收到K类型的邮件，每次收到我都想，她真棒。

I get K type emails off the chain all day long, and every time I receive it, I'm like, good for her.

她终于在为欣赏她的人努力奋斗了。

She is finally hustling for people who appreciate it.

是的。

Yeah.

我很为你感到骄傲，你的书和艺术作品即将面世。

So I'm proud of you with your book coming out with your art.

当然，我不知道自己的人生将走向何方，但这没关系。

Granted, I don't know where the my life is going, but that's fine.

三件中有两件好，已经很棒了。

Two out of three is great.

三件中有两件好，已经很棒了。

Two out of three is great.

现在只是不是我的时刻而已。

It's just not my moment right now.

我的意思是，已经十年了，但事情正在到来。

I mean, it hasn't been for a decade, but it's it's coming.

它就在前方。

It's on the horizon.

它肯定会到来。

It's definitely coming.

而且我们现在正处在世界允许我们拥有这一刻的阶段，以便我们能够做好准备，因为当属于你的时刻来临时，那将是全员投入的时候。

And we're gonna be very and, you know, and the world is letting us have our moment right now so that we can prepare because when it's your moment, it's gonna be so all hands on deck.

我得狠狠地像克莉丝·詹纳那样帮你一把。

I'm gonna have to Kris Jenner you so hard.

实际上，凯尔蒂，我刚刚想到了这一点。

Actually, did think about this, Keltie.

有个人，天啊，我想不起来他是谁了。

There was somebody who, gosh, I can't think, I can't remember who this was.

那是位正在崛起的人。

It was somebody who's like up and coming.

我真的在想，要是凯蒂是个公关人员就好了。

And I really wanted like, I was thinking if only Keltie were a publicist.

之所以这么想，是因为我知道，如果她掌管了这个人的事业，一定会爆红。

If only because I know that if she was at the helm of this person's career, it would be explosive.

但你其实并不是公关人员，我是说，你不是。

And it's like, I can't I mean, you're not a publicist.

不过，也许你可以成为。

I mean, could be.

成为公关人员，真的需要什么认证吗？

Is there even, like, any sort of certification you need to be

当公关人员吗？

a publicist?

你不需要去上什么公关学校。

You don't have to go to publicist school.

所以，你真的就是。

So I you really are.

我的意思是，我信任你。

I mean, I trust you.

我会付钱给你。

I'll pay you.

我会付钱让你当我的公关。

I'll pay you to be my publicist

我能为你争取到的比一个公关还多。

what I could get more for you than a publicist.

我同意。

I agree.

我已经知道要为你写的故事了。

I already know the story I'm writing for you.

好的。

Okay.

我们回来后，看看今年会有什么安排。

When we come back let's see what is in the cards for our year.

好的。

Okay.

星象正契合。

Stars are aligning.

LadyGang，我们非常兴奋，因为我们的合作伙伴梅西百货正在帮助我们在这个春天绽放光彩。

LadyGang, we are so excited that Macys, our partner is helping us be fabulous this spring.

他们简直是最佳合作伙伴。

They are literally the best partners.

他们每周都让这个播客免费向大家开放。

They keep this podcast free for you every week.

然后我们聊到梅西百货，接着就沉浸其中了。

And then we talk about Macy's, then we get lost in it.

然后我们开始购物，接着又得拉回来，继续回到本期节目的正题。

And then we shop it And then we have to like, back on track for the episode.

但这算是一个小小的公告音效。

But this is a little bit of a PSA sound.

Alarms rebag 在梅西百货。

Alarms rebag is at Macys.

我完全不知道。

I had no idea.

你们在梅西百货买二手包，真的能以极低的价格买到设计师手袋。

You guys rebag Macy's, you can literally get designer handbags at a fraction of the price.

甚至是二手的柏金包。

Secondhand, even Birkins.

你可以在梅西百货买到柏金包。

You get a Birkin at Macys.

太美了。

Gorgeous.

这太疯狂了。

It is so crazy.

我正在浏览呢。

I'm browsing it right now.

有这么多不错的包。

There are so many good bags.

有这么多不错的蔻驰包。

So many good Chloe.

我

I

知道。

know.

有一款蓝色的爱马仕斜挎包。

There's like this Hermes cross body like blue situation.

那是我们的东西吗？

Is that our mess?

是的。

Yes.

天哪，梅西百货那个女孩。

Oh my god, Macys is that girl.

他们什么都有。

They have everything.

太美了。

It's gorgeous.

梅西梅西。

Macy's Macy's.

我都不知道有这个。

I didn't know this.

哇。

Wow.

而且他们的新款手袋中，拉夫劳伦的设计也美极了。

And then also in their new handbags, their Ralph Lauren is gorgeous.

嘉宾手袋真的很可爱。

The guests handbags are really cute.

如果你只需要一个小巧的派对包，比如去婚礼或活动时用，我们已经聊过教练包了，那个女孩，每个人都想要一个教练斑马纹包。

If you need just like a little party bag that needs to like go to a wedding with you or an event coach, we've already talked about coaches that girl like everyone wants a coach tabby bag.

这真的很好。

It's really good.

我的意思是，贝卡已经不在这里了。

I mean, Becca's not even here anymore.

我们把她让给梅西了。

We've lost her to Macys.

网站

The website

你们各位。

you guys.

他们

They

有这么多

have such a lot

东西。

of stuff.

我的意思是，他们有Chloe包。

I mean, they have Chloe bags.

他们还有，哦，一款红色的Hermes单肩包。

They have, oh, it a red cross body Hermes.

我需要这个吗？

Do I need that?

大概吧。

Probably.

等等。

Wait.

我觉得我看到的和你的是同一个。

I think I'm looking at the same one as you.

太可爱了。

It's so cute.

总之，我会在女孩们购物的时候把信息告诉你们。

Anyway, I'll do I'll tell you guys the information while the girls shop.

今年春天我们想找波西米亚风格的包，松垮的麂皮包，东西向的包。

We are looking this spring for boho bags, slouchy suede, east west bags.

我们很喜欢斜挎包。

We love a cross body.

他们还有超棒的叠戴项链。

They also have, you know, amazing layered necklaces.

这可是现在的大趋势。

That is like a huge trend.

香水区千万别错过。

The fragrance section do not miss out.

这简直是春天的香氛，但关于项链，我有个问题。

It is literally spring fragrance, but here's my question for the necklaces.

这其实也有点疑问，因为过去几年我的包大多是金色五金件。

And even this is a little bit of a question because a lot of my bags the past few years have gold hardware.

但现在我开始喜欢银色首饰了。

And then now I'm kind of into silver jewelry.

我们该怎么办？

What do we do?

我们用银色吗？

Are we doing silver?

我们用金色。

We doing gold.

我们在混搭。

We're mixing.

我们想怎么做就怎么做。

We're doing whatever we want.

我有个规则，是我自己定的。

I am a big, am, this is the rule I am come, I've come up with it.

我们都得遵守这个规则。

We're all gonna follow it.

没有金属搭配的规矩。

There's no metal rules.

好吧？

Okay?

如果你喜欢一条银项链、一对金耳环，还有一个金色五金配件的包，我们就这么做。

If you like a necklace that's silver and a pair of earrings, that's gold and a bag with gold hardware, we're doing it.

我觉得我完全同意。

I think it's I 100% agree.

这就像以前人们会买整套家具，因为你想要所有东西都配套，但我觉得那样看起来并不好看。

And it's almost like back in the day when people bought like whole sets of furniture because it's like you wanted everything matching and I'm like, that doesn't look good.

不，珠宝也是同样的道理。

No, and it's the same thing with your jewelry.

你其实想要搭配不同的款式。

Like you want to like have different things.

我的婚戒是金色的，但我是个喜欢银色的女孩，所以我必须混搭。

And I mean, in my wedding ring is gold and I'm a silver girly, so I'm like, have to mix.

是的，一样。

Yeah, same.

哦，你知道吗，当你结过两次婚时，这挺有意思的。

Oh, you know, it's funny when you've been married twice.

我的第一枚婚戒是白金的，那种感觉。

My first wedding ring was like, it was like the white gold was like the thing.

那是银白色金的，而这一枚是黄金的。

It was like silver, white gold, and then this one's gold.

黄色黄金。

Yellow gold.

是的。

Yeah.

我们在混搭。

We're mixing.

不管怎样，我

Anyway, I

把那枚旧的还回去了。

gave that other one back.

所以，不管怎样，我只是把它带到了一个阴暗的地方。

So there, anyway, I'm just taking it down to a dark place.

我们没必要陷入阴暗。

We don't need to be a dark place.

我们需要处在快乐的状态，因为你们马上就要在梅西百货通过Rebag购买爱马仕包包了。

We need to be in a happy place because you guys are about to buy Hermes bags at Macys with Rebag.

去梅西百货吧。

Visit Macys.

我会买我的包，雅克。

I'll buy my bag, Jac.

我已经加到购物车里了。

I have it in my cart.

开玩笑的。

Just kidding.

我们这周会在通讯中附上我们最爱的商品链接。

We will link our favorites in our newsletter this week.

Macys.com。

Macys.com.

你也可以去梅西百货店内购物。

You can also go into the Macys and shop.

我喜欢亲自拿起珠宝感受它的质感，闻一闻香水的味道。

I love that to like actually hold up the jewelry and see what feels good and smell the scents.

但今年春天，我们女孩就要在梅西百货做任何我们想做的事。

But we're doing we are girls doing whatever we want this spring at Macys.

感谢赞助我们，祝大家购物愉快。

Thank you for sponsoring us and, happy shopping.

祝大家购物愉快。

Happy shopping.

祝大家购物愉快。

Happy shopping.

今天的嘉宾原本接受的是神经科学训练，但现在却是每个人最爱的精神导师和作家。

Today's guest is originally trained in neuroscience, but is now everyone's favorite spiritual teacher and author.

你可能通过‘灵性女儿’认识她，这是一个非常受欢迎的星座与健康品牌，她向超过两百万粉丝分享易于理解的工具和教诲。

You probably know her from Spirit Daughter, a super popular astrology and wellness brand where she shares accessible tools and teachings with more than 2,000,000 followers.

她的最新著作《掌控你的力量，改变你的人生》记录了她从学术研究者转变为灵性导师的历程，为读者提供了一张路线图，指引他们在生活崩塌时如何踏上转变之旅。

Her newest book, Own Your Power, Change Your Life, is a chronicle of her journey from academic researcher to spiritual teacher, offering readers a roadmap through the territory or transformation that begins when life falls apart.

我们难道不是都懂这个吗？

Don't we know that?

让我们再次欢迎吉尔·温斯特恩回到播客，帮助贝卡找到如何在杰克和我过得精彩的同时，活出最好的自己。

Please welcome back to the podcast here to help Becca figure out how to live her best life while Jac and I are thriving, Jill Wintersteen.

嗯，谢谢。

Well, thank you.

谢谢。

Thank you.

感谢邀请我。

Thanks for having me.

谢谢。

Thank you.

好的。

Okay.

上次你来的时候，我了解了一些关于自己的事情，其中一些真的应验了。

So the last time you were here, I found out some things about myself and some of them came true.

我觉得我对自己有了很多新的认识，但每当我刷TikTok，看到什么‘哦，我得去看看那个什么什么’的时候。

I feel like like I learned a lot about myself and then whenever I am on TikTok and I'm like, oh, I have to check out the blah blah blah.

我依然对一切都感到非常困惑。

I still am very confused about everything.

但是

But

是的。

yes.

在Jill上线之前，我想先聊一聊，我昨晚刚读完的你那本精彩的书。

And before Jill came on, I before we we get into, like, the discussion of your wonderful book that I finished last night.

哦，真不错。

Oh, nice.

我上次见到吉尔时对她说：我想让你为我、凯尔蒂和雅克做个占星解读，因为我们一起工作了十年，居然还没互相杀害，这一定有什么内在的默契。

I said to Jill, last time I saw her, I said, I want you to do a reading for me, Keltie, and Jac because there has to be some sort of synergy that has to do with the fact that we have not murdered one another after a decade of working together.

我的意思是，虽然事情有时很紧张，但那份爱一直都在，我真的很想知道。

I mean, things have gotten tense, but, like, the love has remained, and I'm really curious.

这种默契究竟是什么？是我们的星盘注定如此吗？

Like, what is that in our is that what's written in our stars?

确实如此。

It actually is.

你们三人的星盘位置有很多有趣的重叠之处。

You you all have some really interesting overlaps of placements.

哦。

So Oh.

是的。

Yeah.

在占星学中，我们首先看太阳星座、月亮星座和上升星座。

So astrology, we look at, first of all, sun sign, moon sign, rising sign.

占星术可能会非常令人困惑。

And so astrology can be very confusing.

但如果你刚开始，就从这里入手。

But if you're starting out, you just start there.

我的太阳星座是什么？

What's my sun sign?

我的月亮星座是什么？

What's my moon sign?

我的上升星座是什么？

What's my rising sign?

上升星座是指你出生时地平线上升起的星座。

Which was the sign that was rising in the horizon when you were born.

太阳代表你的核心身份。

Sun is your core identity.

月亮则关乎你的情绪，以及让你感到满足的需求。

Moon is like your emotions and what you need to feel fulfilled.

而上升星座则是你向外展现的东西，某种程度上是你所追求的目标。

And then rising sign is what you project outwards, what you're kinda striving for in some ways.

它就像是你让别人了解你的部分。

It's like what you let other people know about you.

所以你们实际上有很多有趣的重叠之处。

And so you all actually have really interesting overlaps.

贝卡，你的月亮位于金牛座六度，正好与杰克的上升星座六度金牛座重合。

Becca, your moon is at six degrees Taurus, And it's actually right on top of Jack's ascendant at six degrees Taurus.

哇哦。

Woah.

哇哦。

Woah.

是的。

Yes.

因此，这是一种在许多持久友谊中常见的非常美好的相位。

And so this is like a really beautiful aspect that you see in a lot of friendships that are lifelong.

所以，贝卡，你本能地就能理解杰克，那种直觉上的共鸣。

And so Becca, you instinctively feel Jack like you get her on a gut level.

因为他们真的很喜欢和我之外的人一起玩。

Well, because they really like hanging out without me.

这很有道理。

And this makes a lot of sense.

我们确实能彼此连接。

We do connect with each other.

他们确实能。

They do.

当他们能一起在酒吧待着而不带我的时候，他们会说：哇哦。

When they get to be at the bar together without me, they're like, oh, wow.

我们真的很喜欢彼此。

We really like each other.

而我则说：抱歉，我得先走了。

And I'm like, sorry to be getting away.

而且杰克，你之所以在贝卡身边感到情感上的安全，是因为贝卡那种情感特质——月亮落在金牛座，这与你上升星座呈现给外界的方式完美契合。

Well, and Jack, you probably feel emotionally safe around Becca because of Becca's, like, emotional nature, nature, which which is is that that moon in Taurus, and it aligns perfectly with how you, your rising sign, present yourself to the world.

因此，这里有一种瞬间的认同感。

And so there's like an instant recognition here.

就像你们在见面之前就已经彼此认识了。

Like, you've already known each other before you ever even met.

哇，没错，确实如此

Woah, yes, that

这说得通。

makes sense.

因为当我们推广LadyGang时，我们撒谎说我们都是最好的朋友。

Because when we pitch LadyGang, we lied and said we're all best friends.

但这些女生其实之前从未见过面。

But this bitches had never met.

但她们表现得就像已经做了几十年的朋友一样。

But they acted like they had been friends for decades.

是的，太疯狂了。

Yeah, crazy.

对。

Yes.

但同时，这也意味着有大量的土象能量。

But then there's also and so that's a lot of earth energy too.

这就是金牛座。

So that's Taurus.

所以确实有很多土象能量。

So there's some really, there's a lot of earth energy.

然后，贝卡，你的北交点——我想我在给你做完整星盘解读时提到过。

And then Becca, your North node, which I think we touched on when I did your full reading.

北交点代表你这一生业力所向，是你此生需要学习和整合的课题，而你的北交点正好位于金牛座五度。

The North notice like where you're karmic Lee headed in this life, like the lessons you're here to learn and integrate that North knows a five degrees Taurus.

而且它也紧邻杰克的上升点。

And it's also like right next to Jack's ascendant.

所以这告诉我们，杰克是贝卡这一生灵魂进化的一部分，也是你的旅程、你的人生道路，对吧？

And so this just tells us that Jack is a part of Becca's soul evolution this lifetime and your your journey your your life path, right?

你们彼此是对方的一部分。

You guys are part of each other.

这一切都是非常扎根于金牛座的能量，非常非常稳定。

And this is all like really grounded and Taurus energy, which is like very, very stable.

非常非常非常稳定。

Very, very, very stable.

太酷了。

So cool.

就是这样。

There's that.

然后，凯尔蒂，你的月亮在双鱼座，非常情绪化。

And then there's also so Keltie, you you have your moon in Pisces, which is very emotional.

领域。

Territory.

所以这会感觉有点不一样。

So this is gonna feel a little bit differently.

但它与贝卡的上升点相合。

But it conjuncts Becca's ascendant.

所以你的月亮位于贝卡的上升点之上。

So your moon is on top of Becca's ascendant.

贝卡的月亮位于杰克的上升点之上。

Becca's moon is on top of Jack's ascendant.

哇哦。

Woah.

而且你不会

And you don't

你不会

you don't

这种情形并不常见。

see this like often.

这就是为什么当人们说，我遇到了一个 guy，他是金牛座，或者他是这个星座的时候。

That's why like when people are like I met this guy and he's a Taurus or he's a this.

我会说，这比表面上复杂得多，因为他们体内还有这些其他因素。

I'm like, it's so much more complicated than that because they can have these, you know, these other things in there.

所以，凯蒂，我们可能会看看你儿子在水瓶座的情况。

And so, you know, we might look at your son in Aquarius, Keltie.

我们可能会问，她怎么会把摩羯座放在这个金牛座里呢？

We might say, what is she doing with this, like, Capricorn in this Taurus?

结果发现，你的月亮在双鱼座，正好落在贝卡的上升星座上，也就是24度双鱼座。

And, like, lo and behold, your moon in Pisces is right on Becca's rising sign, which is 24 degrees Pisces.

这些是精确的度数。

Like, these are exact degrees.

所以这真的非常惊人。

So this is this is pretty phenomenal.

就像杰克和贝卡一样，我们看到了这种月亮的关联。

And so just like with Jac and Becca, we see this, like, moon.

对吧？

Right?

意思是这个关键的角度，也就是上升星座。

Meaning this, like, key angle, which is the rising sign.

所以，凯尔蒂，你的情感本质与贝卡在世界中展现自我的方式非常契合。

And so, Keltie, your emotional nature really matches the way Becca shows up in the world.

而贝卡，你很可能在几乎灵性层面上被凯尔蒂深深理解和感知。

And, Becca, you probably feel deeply seen and understood by Keltie on almost a psychic level.

不过，双鱼座的能量增添了一层直觉和情感敏感性。

And so that Pisces energy, though, like, adds this layer of intuition and emotional sensitivity.

因此，金牛座的联系是 grounded、稳定、滋养、舒适，让人感到温馨如家，而双鱼座则更多是一种直觉性的情感层面。

So where the Taurus connection is, like, grounded and really, like, stable and nurturing and comfortable and feels cozy and home home like, The Pisces is more of like an intuitive emotional layer.

但你们俩确实层层叠叠地交织在一起，这真的太不可思议了。

But, yeah, you guys are, like, all layered on top of each other, which is really That's crazy.

真的很棒。

Really cool.

等等。

Wait.

但我不认为我……我是说，我情绪化吗？

But I wouldn't consider my I'm at am I emotional?

不，我的意思是，你在开玩笑吗？

Not I mean Are you kidding?

我的意思是，我很情绪化，但我关心别人的情绪吗？

I mean, I'm very emotional, but do I care about other people's emotions?

不。

No.

你关心的。

You do.

我只是

I'm just

开玩笑的。

kidding.

不，你确实会。

No, you do.

我真的觉得你在我不知所措的时候特别擅长察觉我的状态。

I do think that you are really good at like the moment that I need to be checked on.

你知道什么时候该关心我。

Like you know when to check-in on me.

而且这可能确实是这样。

And that probably is yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我不是那种只问‘你今天过得怎么样’的表面型人。

I'm not a surface level like how was your day

我可不是那种类型的女孩。

kinda girl.

不是。

No.

但你会力挽狂澜。

But you will save the day.

你会在关键时刻悄然出现，拯救某人的生命。

Like, you will be the person that's gonna creep in and save somebody's life.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

月亮在双鱼座非常非常深邃。

Moon Moon in Pisces is very, very deep.

其中蕴含着很深的情感。

There's a lot of depth.

你大概不会进行那种闲聊。

Like, you probably don't do small talk.

你大概不会说那种‘你今天怎么样？’之类的话。

You probably don't do that kind of like, oh, how are you?

我很好。

I'm fine.

你知道的。

You know?

如果你问一个月亮在双鱼座的人，‘你怎么样？’，你会希望得到一个真实的回答。

You want like, if you ask somebody with the moon in Pisces, if you're like, how are you?

你想要的不是一个敷衍的答案。

You want you want a real answer.

比如，你不是

Like, you're not

只是随便问问。

just asking.

我们因为她气坏了。

We got so mad her.

你的心怎么样？

How's your heart?

她以前总问我们这个问题，我们都会对她特别生气。

She used to ask us that, and we'd get so mad at her.

你的心怎么样？

How's your heart?

你的心怎么样？

How's your heart?

我知道，因为我不会聊闲天。

I know because I can't do small talk.

比如，参加派对让我想把眼睛挖出来。

Like, a party makes me wanna gouge my eyes out.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我能理解这一点。

I could I could see that.

我能看出来。

I can see that.

然后，凯尔蒂，你的金星也位于摩羯座26度，金星代表你的心灵，几乎就像是你的爱的语言。

And then, Keltie, you also have your Venus at 26 degrees Capricorn, which Venus is like your heart and what you it's almost like your love language.

我喜欢把金星看作你的爱的语言。

I like to think of Venus as your love language.

它代表了你如何去爱、如何接受爱，而这一点正好紧邻贝卡的儿子的摩羯座28度位置。

It's like how you love, how you receive love, and that's actually right next to Becca's son at 28 degrees Capricorn.

因此，这是一种非常深厚的关系，彼此之间有着真实的情感连接，你渴望真正的真心相待。

And so this is, like, a great relationship where there's, like, real hearts in there, and you want, like, a real heart connection.

这意味着你们真正地欣赏彼此。

And so it basically means you genuinely appreciate each other.

而在摩羯座，我们再次看到这种非常踏实的特质。

And so you and in Capricorn, again, we have this, like, very grounded nature.

这是另一个土象星座。

It's another earth sign.

所以当我们将你们的星盘放在一起时，你们之间有着真正的稳定、欣赏、情感上的尊重与理解，这些方面都有很多重叠。

And so there's, like, genuine stability and appreciation and emotional respect and understanding and all of these overlaps in your charts when we put them together.

吉尔，你觉得我可能是那个粘合剂吗？

Jill, would you say that I might be the glue?

你处于

You're in

中间。

the middle.

是的，我觉得是这样。

I do.

我觉得确实存在某种粘合剂。

I I think that there is some some glue there.

对。

Yes.

什么

What

你什么意思，我什么都不是。

do mean that I'm on the bottom of everything.

你最正常，因为你最正常。

You're the most normal because you're the most normal.

我想我确实是金牛座。

I guess I am actually Taurus.

是的，你是金牛座，但你儿子的太阳在23度金牛座。

Yeah, I mean, you're the Taurus but your son at 23 degrees Taurus.

它与凯尔蒂的中天相合，而中天是我们看事业的指标。

It conjuncts Keltie's midheaven, which midheaven is what we look for for career.

那是你星盘的最顶端。

That's the very top of your chart.

所以当人们问，我这一生该做什么？

So when people are like, what should I do with my life?

你看，中天开始第十宫。

You like, look at the midheaven, starts the tenth house.

所以这代表你的人生事业、你的职业生涯。

So this is like your life's work, your career.

因此，杰克的儿子位于金牛座23度，与凯尔蒂的中天（同样位于金牛座23度）形成合相。

And so Jack's son at 23 Degrees Taurus conjuncts Keltie's midheaven at 23 Degrees Taurus.

这意味着杰克自然而然地支持并提升凯尔蒂的职业和公众形象。

So this means that Jack like naturally supports and elevates Keltie's career and public image.

哇哦。

Wow.

你百分百对。

You're a 100%.

这

The

是光环效应。

trickle down fame.

这早已写在星象之中。

It was written in the stars.

早已写在星象之中。

Was written in the stars.

哇。

Wow.

这种光环效应。

The trickle down fame.

我们走到一起。

Us getting together.

然后说实话，坦白讲。

And then honestly, let's be honest.

我这一生想创造上千样东西，但除非看起来很棒，否则你什么都创造不出来。

I've wanted to create a thousand things in my life, but you can't create anything unless it looks good.

我做的任何事都不够酷，杰克，你让一切都变得很酷。

And nothing I do looks good, Jac, makes everything cool.

所以这实际上完全说得通。

So that makes perfect sense, actually.

是的。

Yeah.

她出现在你的生活中，直接决定了世界如何看待你。

And her presence in your life is, like, directly tied to how the world sees you.

哦。

Oh.

她给你带来了街头信誉。

She gives you street cred.

她给你带来了街头信誉。

She gives you street cred.

不客气。

You're welcome.

是我让你变得酷的。

I made you cool.

哇。

Wow.

我的意思是，我知道。

I mean, I know

那是真的。

that's true.

我知道那是真的。

I know that's true.

我知道这百分百是真的。

I know that's a 100% true.

好吧。

Okay.

这太有趣了。

That's so interesting.

但确实，看到这些重叠之处真的很有趣。

But, yeah, it's really interesting just to kinda like see all of these overlaps.

而且，即使你不了解第十宫中天这样的术语，在群体互动中能有这样的感觉——哇，真的非常罕见。

And like, even if you don't understand like tenth house mid heaven, all these terms, it's it's really rare in a group dynamic to be like, oh, wow.

这不仅仅是接近或在同一星座内。

This isn't just near it or in the same sign.

而是完全相同的度数。

This is at the same exact degree.

比如你的儿子正好在二十三度中天，或者中天在金牛座二十三度，你知道吧？

Like your son is at twenty three degrees or mid heavens at twenty three degrees Taurus, you know?

然后我们还有月亮和上升点成对重叠的情况。

And then we've got the overlap of the moon and the ascendant on on in pairs.

所以这真的非常酷。

And so it's it's really cool.

我有个问题，吉尔。

I have a question, Jill.

有几个问题，你知道的，我喜欢快速浏览。

A few you know, I like to skim.

几个月前，我听说我们整个星座系统都乱了，因为太阳的位置不对，日历也错了，根本没人是真正的水瓶座。

A few months ago, I heard that we were the entire thing was off kilter because the sun was in the wrong spot and the calendar was off and like no one's that an Aquarius is actually an Aquarius.

你听说过这个吗？

Did you hear about this?

我觉得每年都会听到一次，大概是因为

I think I hear about it once a year for like the

过去二十年里都是这样。

last twenty years.

所以

So

我们需要为此担心吗？这让我很激动。

do we need to worry about that because it got me up in arms.

我觉得不用

Don't think we

没必要为此担心。

need to worry about that.

每年总会冒出一些说法，说多了一个第十三个星座。

And then there's like, there's always like something once a year that comes out and there's like a third thirteenth sign.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道的，在天蝎座和射手座之间。

You

就在天蝎座和射手座之间。

know, in between Scorpio and Sagittarius.

我们就还是坚持我们已知的吧。

And it's just like, let's just stick with what we know and go with it.

显然现在没法查到这个。

Clearly, can't pull this up now.

没有。

No.

对。

Yeah.

尤其是我们收视率下滑之后。

Especially not after our ratings.

没错。

Exactly.

没错。

Exactly.

所以它已经成功运作了很多很多年。

And so and so it's it's worked for for many, many, many years.

就像说，别去动摇这艘正在顺利航行的船。

It's like, let's not rock the ship that's working.

所以是的。

So Yeah.

而且很有道理，非常动态。

And making sense and so so dynamic.

但没错，我觉得总是挺有意思的。

But, yeah, I feel like there's always it's interesting.

占星界有很多那种自以为是的人，说他们是喷子都不太合适，我一开始在Instagram上火起来的时候，对此感到特别惊讶。

There's a lot of like, don't say haters, but like a lot of know it alls in astrology, which I was like surprised by especially once I started getting like big on Instagram.

我们倒不会收到仇恨消息，但总会有人来问：‘你难道不知道吗？’

Like we don't get like hate messages, but we get like, did you know?

或者他们会说：‘其实是六千年，不是两千年，你知道吗？’

Or this is actually like six thousand years instead of two thousand years, you know?

人们真是

Oh, people are

太烦人了。

so annoying.

我太烦人了。

I'm so annoying.

灵性圈里的凯伦们。

Karens of the spiritual realm.

是的，是的，就是这样

Yeah, yeah, it's

非常令人惊讶。

like super surprising.

我想，好吧。

I'm like, okay.

我觉得你处于一个交汇点上，因为你的背景，就像凯尔蒂说的，是神经科学，你是一名临床研究员。

Well, I feel like you are you sit at an intersection of because your background like Keltie said is neuroscience like you're a clinical researcher.

对。

Right.

那是

Was it

约翰霍普金斯大学吗？

Johns Hopkins?

那是我上一份正式工作。

That was my last formal job.

我上一份正式职位是在，你知道的，在我转行之前，我最后一份正经工作，就是那种朝九晚五的。

My last formal position was at you know, before I went like, my last real job, you know, that was, like, nine to five.

我在霍普金斯大学做神经遗传学研究员。

I was a neurogenetics researcher at Hopkins.

哦，太酷了。

Oh, so cool.

所以，就像，我可以相信你那些玄乎的星座说法，因为你也是搞科学的。

So it's like, I can trust your woo woo astrology because, like, you also are into science.

那么，作为一位灵性导师，你觉得最科学的解释是什么，为什么显化真的有效？

So do you, as a spiritual teacher, what is, like, the most scientific explanation for why manifestation actually works?

因为你的书开头让我第一次有了这样的顿悟：我们的大脑已经被训练去关注某些特定的事物。

Because I love the beginning of your book was the first time I had that moment of, like, we've trained our brain to see certain things.

如果你能深入讲讲这个，我会非常感兴趣。

And like, I really if you could go into that, I would love that.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以我想把它浓缩一下。

So that's it's I wanna condense it.

但基本上，我们的大脑会过滤掉大量信息，以便我们能够真正地生存并集中注意力。

But basically, we have this brain, and we filter out tons of stuff so that we could literally survive and focus.

因此，我们的大脑希望帮助我们生存。

And so our brain wants to help us survive.

它并不关心实现我们最伟大的愿景、大房子或任何其他东西。

It doesn't care about manifesting our greatest vision or this big house or whatever.

我们必须训练它去做这些事。

We have to train it to do that.

它的默认模式是生存。

Its default mode is survival.

所以，我们就只是活到明天吧。

And so, like, just let's just live till tomorrow.

对吧？

Right?

这就是我们的大脑被设计成的样子。

That's that's what our brain was structured to do.

因此，正因为如此，它会过滤掉大量信息。

And so because of that, it filters out tons of stuff.

我们周围时刻都在发生着太多事情，我们之所以会过滤掉它们，只是为了能进行一场对话，或者思考午餐吃什么，又或者在我们还是狩猎采集者时，如何逃离一只追我们的老虎之类的。

There's so much happening all around us all the time that we filter out just so that we can have a conversation or so we can think about what we're having for lunch or when we were hunters and gatherers how to like escape a, you know, tiger running after us or whatever.

这些过滤机制通常在童年时期就被设定好了。

And so these filters are set on these like default modes that are usually programmed in childhood.

比如，如果我们从小生活在匮乏中，就会形成稀缺心态。

Like if we grew up with lack, for instance, we have a scarcity mindset.

因此，我们的大脑会不断确认这些模式。

And so our brain is going to confirm that we're always confirming our patterns.

如果我们从小形成的模式是‘钱永远不够’，比如，那么我们的大脑就会一直试图证实这个模式。

And so if we grew up with a pattern that there's never enough money, just for example, then our brain is always going to be seeking to confirm that pattern.

所以它会过滤掉富足的信息，只专注于寻找匮乏，直到我们说：好吧，我要正视这个模式。

So it's going to filter out abundance and it's just going to focus on is just going to scan for scarcity Until we say, okay, I'm gonna address this pattern.

我会意识到这一点，然后真正地改变我的大脑，引导我的大脑，掌控我的注意力。

I'm gonna become aware of it, and I'm going to actually change my brain and direct my brain, take over the power of my attention.

我们的注意力是我们最宝贵的资源。

Our attention is our greatest resource.

因此，当我们进行意图设定时——这正是我在新月时教授的内容——我们实际上是在为大脑编程，告诉它：这就是我的愿景。

And so when we do things like intention setting, which is what I teach on the new moon, when we set intentions, what we're doing is we're programming our brain essentially, and we're saying, okay, This is the vision.

这就是我想生活的现实，这就是我要如何引导你的。

This is the reality I want to live in, and this is how I'm filtering you.

然后我们再加入神经系统调节的部分，这是我过去几年深入研究的内容，我还开设了一门课程

And then we layer in the nervous system regulation piece, which I've been really diving into, like, the last couple years, and I have I run a course

在

in the

秋季开设的‘Call It In’方法，就是围绕这个主题的。

fall called call it in method, and it's all about this.

给我点个赞吧。

Thumbs up on me.