The Perimenopause Conversation Every Woman Needs to Hear ft. Tamsen Fadal

咱们来个快的。

It's time for a quickie.

Podcast One 带来 LADYGANG，好莱坞辣妹天团的 LADYGANG 快问快答。

Podcast one presents the LADYGANG, the Hollywood girl posse with LADYGANG Quickie.

今天出场的是凯尔蒂·奈特、贝卡·托宾和杰克·范尼克。

Here's Kelty Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanick.

咱们别磨蹭了，赶紧的。

Let's make this quick.

嗨。

Hello.

嗨。

Hello.

嗨。

Hello.

欢迎收听由 Natural Cycles 呈现的 LADYGANG 快问快答。

Welcome to the LADYGANG Quickies presented by Natural Cycles.

我是贝卡，和杰克、凯尔蒂在一起，今天咱们请来了一位特别嘉宾，我简直迫不及待想问她问题了。

I am Becca here with Jack and Kelty, and we have an extra special guest today that we are chomping at the bit to ask questions to.

所以，凯尔蒂，这位嘉宾是谁啊？

So, Kelty, who do we have?

说真的，我之前在艾玛·格里德的播客晚宴上，正对着这位女士坐。

Well, listen, I sat across the street or across the table at Emma Greed's podcaster dinner to this woman.

她皮肤好得离谱，人也美得不行，我当时就想：等等，她都五十多岁了？

Her skin is so good and she's so beautiful that I was like, wait, she's fifties?

然后我又想：等等，你做啥播客来着？

And then I was like, wait, what's your podcast?

她说她正经历更年期。

It's she's in menopause.

我当时就下定决心：我得把她的所有经验都挖出来。

And I was like, I need to know everything about this woman.

所以今天这位嘉宾，可能会救你的理智、你的荷尔蒙，甚至你的感情关系。

So today's guest is about to save your sanity, your hormones, and possibly your relationships.

她是一位艾美奖得主记者，《纽约时报》畅销书作者，也是《塔森秀》播客的主持人。

She is an Emmy winning journalist, New York Times bestselling author, and host of the Tamsen Show podcast.

她一心想要聊聊这件事——世界上根本没人提前告诉我们该怎么做：围绝经期和更年期。

She has made it her mission to talk about the thing that literally no one in the world has prepared us for, perimenopause and menopause.

根本没人给我们发过指南。

No one gave us a handbook.

学校里也没教过我们这些。

No one taught us about this in school.

她写了这本书。

And she did her book.

就是关于更年期的。

To menopause.

我就带在这儿呢，这本就是你的救命指南。

I have it right here is that handbook.

她特别聪明。

She's smart.

她特别真实。

She's real.

她今天来就是想告诉我们，我们的身体到底发生了啥。

She's here to tell us what the hell is happening to our bodies.

有请塔姆森·法德尔。

Please welcome Tamsen Fadal.

塔姆森，欢迎你。

Tamsen welcome.

谢谢。

Thank you.

你这么夸我，我都不想走了。

I'm going to stay here forever without all those compliments.

首先，我

Well, first of I

我想说你

want to say you

你们面前坐着的，都是很多正在经历围绝经期和绝经期的女性。

have a lot of perimenopausal menopausal women in front of you.

我懂你。

I got you.

我明白你的意思。

I've got you.

我得先说一句，大家都知道我自我介绍的时候，完整版是‘我是三届艾美奖得主凯尔西·奈特’。

The first thing I want to say about Tamsen is everyone knows that I introduced myself in the full sentence, which is I'm three time Emmy Award winning Kelsey Knight.

但要说谁能压过我这开场白，估计就只有塔姆森了。

I just wanna tell you the only person that could probably top that intro is Tamsen.

她拿过十三座艾美奖——在做这个项目之前，你可是纽约新闻圈里出了名的狠角色。

She has thirteen thirteen Emmy's because before this work, you were that bitch of New York City news, essentially.

你干了多久啊？

How long were you?

你可是W.W. Picks。

You are w w picks.

你们就这么叫的？

Is that what you call it?

是的

Yeah.

WPIX

WPIX.

对

Yeah.

我先说声谢谢，也恭喜你，我知道这背后得多不容易。

I was well, first of all, thank you and congratulations to you because I know what that takes.

我知道你要花多少时间、耗多少精力，错过多少假期，还有那些乱七八糟的事儿。

I know the time and the energy and the holidays that you miss and all the other stuff that comes with that.

谢谢你。

Thank you.

我在那家纽约的电视台待了十五年。

I was there, I was fifteen years at that one station in New York City.

我在纽约做新闻已经二十年了。

I've been in New York City twenty years doing news.

之前我在别的地方待过，比如西弗吉尼亚的奥克希尔，家里人都问我：‘你这次又要搬到哪儿去？’

And before that, different markets like Oak Hill, West Virginia, my family going, where, where are you going to live now?

到处换地方，哪儿都待过。

All these different places.

最后还是落脚在了纽约。

And I ended up in New York.

所以啊，干电视新闻这行，真是一晃好多年。

So, it's been a, it was a long time of TV news.

你后来在新闻里经历的事，才催生了你现在的这份工作。

And then what happened to you on the news is what informed this work.

给我们讲讲这个故事吧。

Tell us that story.

是啊。

Yeah.

你知道吗，我这辈子一直在拼命藏年龄，尤其是在这行里。

You know, I spent a lot of my life, like trying to hide my age, especially in that business.

很早就有个比我大十来岁的女同事告诉我，女的在新闻圈里迟早要被淘汰。

Was told early on, by a woman who is maybe ten years older than me that women usually age out of news.

所以你得提前想好后路。

So prepare be prepared to have a backup plan.

我当时就懵了：后路？这行还能有后路？

And I'm like, what what the hell is a backup what's a backup plan to this?

我啥也不会干，就只会做这个。

I I don't know how to do anything else.

她说，你注意看，电视上老男人总在出镜，旁边永远是个年轻女的。

And she said, you know, a lot of time you will see the men age on television, and a younger woman will always be sitting next to them.

打那以后，我一瞧就明白了，心里直打鼓：天哪，这不就是我吗？

And after that, I noticed it all the time, and I'd be like, oh my gosh.

我马上也要被‘淘汰’了。

I'm gonna be aging out soon.

大概在我四十五六岁之后，我开始遇到一些不对劲的状况。

So, I had been having in my, like, late mid to late forties, I've been having weird things happen.

我对着提词器读稿子的时候，明明看到了那个词，却死活读不出来。

I'd be reading a teleprompter where the words are scrolling by and I'd notice a word and I couldn't get it out of my mouth.

我明明看到那个词了，脑子当时还反应得过来，

Like, I'd see it and I'd be okay.

我明明认识那个词啊，可就是说不出口。

I know that word, but it's not coming to me.

不然我就会连觉都没法睡了，你知道做电视新闻这行，能睡个好觉有多难得。

Or I would not be able to sleep anymore, which in TV news, like sleep is coveted.

是吧？

Right?

只要能找着个地方闭眼，你倒头就能睡着。

If you can find a place to shut your eyes, you fall right to sleep.

那段时间我体重涨了，但健身量和以前一模一样，吃得甚至比之前都要健康。

I was gaining weight, but working out the same way and eating better than I ever had.

我整天都特别焦虑。

I was anxious all the time.

明明在一份我本来很有信心的工作里，却紧张得要命。

And I was really nervous at a job where I felt confident.

有一晚，是十一月。

And so one night it was November.

我到现在还记得清清楚楚。

And I remember it so clearly.

正在播新闻的时候，广告插进来，我突然觉得，天啊，接下来要发生什么？

Was reading the news when we went to a commercial and I felt like, I don't know what was going happen.

我感觉自己要晕过去了。

I felt like I was going to pass out.

心跳得飞快。

My heart was racing.

浑身冒冷汗，腋下、裙子底下、头发里，到处都是。

I had a sweat broke out everywhere, like under my boobs, my dress, my hair.

我当时就说，要是我倒下了，谁赶紧扶我一把，真觉得自己要晕过去了。

And I said, if I fall over somebody catch me, I felt like I was going to pass out.

就在片场。

On the set.

其中一个同事，是我的伙伴，赶紧把我扶走了。

One of the guys, my coworkers took me off.

我冲进厕所，直接瘫坐在地上，想让身体凉快点，心里慌得不行，搞不清是心脏病发作还是别的什么。

I went to the bathroom and like went down to the floor to cool my body off thinking I was gonna have, I didn't know if it was heart attack or what was happening.

二十分钟后，我就缓过来了。

After twenty minutes, I was fine.

大概一两周后，我爬起来，开始到处看医生。

I got up about a week or two later, I started going to a couple of different doctors.

我去看了内分泌科医生。

I went to my endocrinologist.

我也去了我的全科医生那儿。

I went to my GP.

我去看了妇科，做完血液检查后，医生在我的患者门户里只写了四个字：更年期。有啥问题吗？

I went up at the gyno and in my patient portal, after some blood tests, my gynecologist wrote four words in menopause, any questions?

然后就没下文了。

And that was it.

现在回头想想，那些奇怪的症状，好多年前就有了，天哪，那时候我是不是已经进入更年期了？

And so all of these weird signs now I'm going back years, oh my gosh, was that, was I in menopause?

那时候我连‘围绝经期’这个词都没听过。

I didn't even know the word perimenopause then.

根本没人提这事儿。

Like we did not talk about that word

完全没这概念。

at all.

现在才慢慢开始有人说了。

It's really new.

我们这才刚意识到这回事。

We just made it.

这可是新事物，真的挺新的。

It's a new it's new.

其实这事儿早就有苗头了。

Well, it's like, it was around

现在可火了。

the It's trending.

真奇怪。

Strange.

是啊。

Is.

有意思的是，我之前跟一个女的聊天，她说她去看了医生，跟医生说她进入围绝经期了。

And the funny thing is, is I was talking to a, a woman and she said, I went into my doctor and, and told him that I was in perimenopause.

结果医生跟她说：‘这不过是现在流行的说法罢了。’

And he said to me, oh, that's just a trend out there right now.

我当时就想，这还真是个流行趋势？

I'm like, is that a trend out there right now?

所以，现在比以往任何时候都更需要谈这些事。

So, know, it's so important than ever to have these conversations.

所以你是等都进入更年期了，才意识到自己已经更年期了？

So you had, you figured out you're in menopause after you were already in menopause.

对，等我都更年期了才明白。

After I was in menopause.

你当时49岁，但之后你开始研究、学习，跟人聊，看纪录片，连哈莉·贝瑞都成了你的好友，这一切全都在发生。

And you were 49 at the time, but are perimenopause and everything you've learned and you've studied and talked to now everyone in the space, documentaries, Halle Berry is your best friend, like all of this is happening.

我们到底什么时候才是真的情绪化、不懂自己身体？什么时候又能理直气壮地说：‘我可能是在经历围绝经期了’？

When should we when is it we're just moody bitches who don't understand our bodies?

我们什么时候该承认，自己不是在无理取闹，而是身体真的在变化？

And when is it we can start saying, oh, I think I'm having some perimenopausal symptoms?

是的。

Yeah.

说实话，有些日子我还是觉得自己就是个情绪暴躁、不懂自己身体的疯女人，但我不知道这种感觉会不会一直跟着我。不过我可以这么说——

I mean, I still think some days I'm a moody bitch that doesn't understand my body, but I don't know if that ever goes away from me, but I will say this.

我想说，我回头想想，那时候全靠自己去查资料，对吧？

I will say, I look back and I had to inform myself, right?

我妈妈走得太早了。

I lost my mom at an early age.

我只能自己琢磨：这到底都是怎么回事？

I had to inform myself, like, the hell was all that?

如果你快四十了，或者刚四十出头，真该开始留心点了。

I would say if you're in your late thirties, early forties, just to start paying attention.

不是让你吓着自己。

That doesn't mean to be afraid.

也不是让你慌了神。

That doesn't mean to freak out.

不是说一有啥感觉就肯定是围绝经期，但如果你觉得书里提到的那些症状——我列了三四十条呢——比如焦虑，

Doesn't mean that every symptoms, perimenopause, but if you are starting to feel some of these things that I'm talking about in the book, list like 34 common symptoms of it, but it's anxiety.

或者体重莫名其妙地长在奇怪的地方，

It's weight in weird places.

突然间，头发变干、皮肤干燥、性生活疼痛、月经不规律。

All of a sudden hair, maybe dry skin, dry, painful sex, irregular cycles.

如果你开始发现一些怪现象，心里嘀咕：‘我怎么不像自己了？’

If you're starting to see some weird things and you're like, I don't feel like myself anymore.

只要你一发现自己这么说，就得赶紧去查一查，弄清楚自己到底是什么状况——因为根本没什么能一锤定音的检测，你不可能跑去跟医生或妇科医生说：‘嗨，给我做个检查吧。’

The minute that you hear yourself saying those words is a minute I would go in and say, like, I need some kind of baseline to figure out where I am because there's no real test that you're not going to go in and be like, hi doctor, gynecologist, give me a test.

他们只会说：‘你这会儿进入围绝经期了。’

And they're going tell me I'm in perimenopause.

然后他们会问：‘你都有啥症状？'

They're going to say, what are your symptoms?

“最近情况怎么样？”

How are things tracking?

然后咱们得综合来看，毕竟我不是医生，但我研究过不少，知道这阶段一般持续四到十年，你都可能处在围绝经期。

And then we're going look at it across the board because perimenopause, and I'm not a doctor, but I've researched enough of this to look at these years, four to ten years, you can be in perimenopause.

等你彻底不来月经了，才算真正进入更年期。

And then you hit menopause is when you no longer have a cycle.

但那时候，我觉得我们唯一知道的就是这个。

But that was the only area I think we all knew about.

可这真的太难了，因为我感觉这些症状我一辈子都有。

That's so hard though, because I feel like I have had all of these symptoms my entire life.

那我怎么分得清，心悸、睡觉时出汗这些，到底是更年期引起的，还是我本来就这样？

So like, how do I know if my heart palpitations or my like sweating when I'm sleeping or like whatever is perimenopause and it's not just like me being me.

不过，也可能是激素的问题。

Well, it could be hormones though.

说白了，我们的激素本来就是个连续变化的过程，我觉得自己被蒙骗了这么多年。

Mean, that that's, you know, we have a continuum of our hormones and I think a lot of times, like, I feel like I was lied to for so many years.

他们总说：你来月经了。

It was like, you're getting your period.

现在是你生育的年纪。

Now these are your reproductive years.

可之后呢？根本没人告诉你接下来会发生什么。

Oh, and then, we don't know what the heck happens to you.

但说实话，这其实是个激素持续变化的过程，对吧？

But the truth is, is that it's a hormonal continuum, right?

所以我们一直都在经历这个过程，我会去检查一下各项指标。

So we always have that going on, I would go and get things tested.

我想知道自己现在到底处在什么阶段。

I would wanna see where I am.

如果你在围绝经期做血液检测，今天你的雌激素水平可能在这儿。

If you get blood tests in perimenopause, one day you might be here with your estrogen levels.

明天可能又跑到那儿去了。

One day you might be here.

波动得特别厉害。

It could be all over the board.

我觉得你得留心这些症状，看看它们到底对你的生活造成了什么影响。

I think you've gotta pay attention to those symptoms and see how they're actually impacting everything.

对了，你今年多大了？

Like, I don't, how old did, how old are you?

我快39岁了。

I'm gonna be 39.

你说39岁？

Did you say 39?

明白了。

Okay.

所以你现在可以开始留意这些变化了，别慌，但要心里有数，毕竟围绝经期还是有可能怀孕的。

So you can start paying attention to things, not panic about things, but just be aware and know that because remember in perimenopause, can you still get pregnant.

那些事儿其实都还在发生。

You know, all those things are still happening.

这段时间很多症状都会重叠在一起。

So a lot of times there's a lot of that overlap that happens during that.

这点我们好像还没聊过。

And I don't think we've talked about it.

我们一直没告诉女性，这种波动到底意味着什么，真是亏待了她们。

We've done women such a disservice, not showing, you know, what this fluctuation can mean.

我真不好意思，就在上个月，我们才刚和Natural Cycles那边做完访谈，就是我们现在在合作的那个项目。

I know I'm so embarrassed that it was really just the last month we, interviewed for the Natural Cycles kind of this thing we're doing with them.

是的。

Yeah.

这个资料包，还有娜塔莉·克劳福德医生。

This package and Natalie Crawford, Doctor.

娜塔莉用特别通俗易懂的话，给我们讲了一遍月经周期的各个阶段。

Natalie Crawford talked us through in like really layman's terms all the phases of our menstrual cycle.

我真没骗你。

And I am not kidding.

这一个月下来，我回头一看，那些我以为自己深陷抑郁的周、拼命健身的周、连老公都不想碰的周、啥都干得动的周，全都能对上周期的某个阶段，简直像突然开窍了，原来都是有规律的。

It's like this entire month, I'm like, Oh my gosh, if I look back at these weeks where I thought I was in a deep depression or the weeks that I was just crushing at the gym or the weeks that I didn't wanna touch my husband, the weeks that I did everything, it's like going back and I'm like having these flashbacks and everything times to that exact cycle, like part of my cycle.

现在我走路都带着觉察，今天没劲儿干活？行吧，我知道是生理期这阶段，我认了，这理由我收下了。

And so now I'm like walking through the world being like today I feel very unmotivated to work and that's because I'm in this phase and I'm okay with And that's my excuse.

没错，真的太准了。

No, it's so true.

但塔姆森，我觉得在这些研究里，我们还问了LADYGANG的Facebook群组，我说：‘你们有什么想了解的？’

But Tamsen, I guess in all of this research, I think the very we asked our LADYGANG Facebook group, I said, You're coming on.

大家想知道自己该问些什么？

What do you want to know?

埃琳说：‘我们怎么才能让别人认真对待我们的担忧、问题和诉求？’

And Erin said, How do we make anyone take our concerns, questions, requests seriously?

我知道，确实如此。

And I know Yeah.

你在《塔姆森秀》里采访的很多人，还有这本书里讲的故事，基本都是关于女性健康问题被医生轻视、否定的现象。

A lot of the people you interview on the Tamsen show and think stories from this book is just like the medical gaslighting that comes around with women's issues.

那你会给那些去看妇科医生、却被医生随便打发说‘你更年期了’的普通女性什么建议？

So what advice would you give to the everyday woman who's going to their gyno, who's like giving you the you're in menopause.

什么？你说什么？

What question mark?

对。

Yeah.

太开心你第一个就问了这个问题，因为这是每次我们分享完案例都必须解答的核心问题——我们已经做了上千场分享了，每次结束都一定会有人举手问：我要去哪才能找到一个不会觉得我是在小题大做的医生？放在今天还会有这种事真的把我气炸了，所有压力居然还都要女性自己扛，但不幸的是现实就是这样，我们也都懂这种处境。

I I'm so happy you started with that question because it's the most important thing we have to answer right at the end of every screening that we do, and we've done like over a thousand, the hand goes up and it's like, where do I find somebody that doesn't think I'm like being dramatic, which it infuriates me in this day and age, we're still putting all the onus on women, but unfortunately we do and we get it.

我整理了几个可行的办法。

There's a couple of things.

现在有一些线上医疗平台做得真的非常非常好，因为他们的医生天天都在接待我们这类女性患者，

There are telehealth companies out there that I think do a really incredible, incredible job because they're dealing with these women every single day.

不会一脸茫然地反问你：哦？你都有什么症状啊？

They're not all of a sudden like, oh, what are your symptoms?

那咱们来理理这到底是怎么回事

Let's see what that is.

你可真是个特别的人

You're, you're a weird one.

就说MediHealth吧，我和他们合作好多年了，我一直很认可他们的理念，也一直支持他们的发展

So, you know, MediHealth is a big one that I that I've worked with for a long time because I really believe in them invested in.

还有更年期协会会颁发相关的资质认证

The menopause society is the certification.

他们会给这些医生认证。

They certify these doctors.

所以如果你想找线下医生，去 menopause.org 很靠谱，输入你的邮编，他们能帮你找到合适的人，而且在医学知识普及方面也特别到位。

So menopause.org is a great place to go if you're looking for somebody in person that you can put your ZIP code in, and they really help in so many ways of helping understand the education behind it.

如果你现在已经有医生了，下次去看诊前，最好提前把问题写下来——我真的建议你准备个提纲，因为看医生这事挺让人紧张的，而且时间又特别短。

But if you have a doctor right now that you are going to see and you walk in and you do have to have some questions, like, actually put a script in the book and I have a, you know, I, I literally think you have to have a script because it can, it can be intimidating one and two, you don't have very much time with your doctor.

大多数医生就给你八分钟，说完就让你走人。

Most doctors give you like eight minutes and then you're out the door.

所以你得提前做好准备。

So I think you have to be prepared for it.

比如，你得清楚自己有哪些症状，主动问医生：‘我有哪些选择？’不管是做激素治疗还是不做，都没关系。

Like here, here are the symptoms are, will you talk to me about my options, whether you're doing a hormone therapy, whether you aren't doing hormone therapy, that doesn't matter.

关键是你要觉得被认真对待了，如果感觉不对，就得有勇气换医生。

It's that you feel comfortable being talked to, and then you have to be prepared to fire your doctor.

换医生这事儿挺难受的，我跟我的医生相处了二十五年，可我从来没听他说过‘更年期’这个词。

And that sucks because I was with my doctor for twenty five years, but the fact that I never heard that word.

说来也挺有意思的。

And, and it's funny.

我大概一个月前偶然翻到的。

I, I ran across about, about a month ago.

我整理旧文件时，翻出当年妇产科医生写的记录，上面写着：患者主诉体重增加和焦虑。

I had, some old papers and I ran across one from my OB GYN originally, and it said patient complains of weight gain and anxiety.

那时候我才四十出头，大概四十四岁左右。

And this was like in my mid forties, about 44 years old.

我当时就惊了。

I went, my gosh.

症状早就写在那儿了。

It was there.

可我压根儿没注意到。

It there and I had no idea.

所以我的目标就是，特别想感谢你为女性做这件事——让她们敢于开口问问题，大胆地去跟医生谈，别怕没人听。

So I, I think what my goal is to really and what I love about the fact that you're doing this for the women is empowering them to not be afraid to ask that question and go in there very bold about it and not not be afraid that someone's not gonna listen.

因为在这段时期硬扛着是最傻的事，根本没必要。

Because the worst thing you could do is suffer during this time, and there's no reason for it.

我们要感谢 Macy's 的朋友们，作为 LADYGANG 的赞助商，每个月都给我们带来超棒的穿搭和灵感。

We wanna thank our friends at Macy's for being a sponsor of the LADYGANG and bringing us cute looks and cute ideas every single month.

嘿，Becca，今天可是你的母亲节啊。

Guys, well, Becca, it's your it's your Mother's Day.

马上就要到了，不过——

It's coming, but

这可是我妈妈的节日。

It's my mother's day.

今天是你的日子，宝贝。

It's your day girl.

但更重要的是，今天也是我妈妈的母亲节，她现在就在我身边呢。

But more importantly, it's my mother's mother's day, and she just happens to be in town with me right now.

她就坐在我身后。

She's just sitting behind me right now.

希拉。

Sheila.

在这儿呢。

There

她来了。

she is.

她穿着那件呢。

She's wearing her.

我根本没叫她穿，她自己穿了Lady World的T恤。

I didn't even tell her to she's wearing her lady world shirt.

那当然了。

Of course.

行吧。

Okay.

所以梅西说母亲节就得买买买，咱们得好好想想啊，各位。

So Macy says everything for mother's day, and we got to think about it guys.

时间过得真快啊。

It's coming up quick.

别忘了，不管是你的狗妈妈、婆婆还是亲妈，每个人都需要一份礼物，而且她们都能察觉到你是不是前一天才临时送花的。

Do not forget whether it's your dog mom, your mother-in-law, your mother, everybody needs a present, and they can tell when we sent flowers the day before.

好。

Okay.

所以我给妈准备了三个类别，你来挑一个。

So the three I'm going give mom three categories and you get to pick.

好，妈。

Okay, mom.

行。

Okay.

首先，梅西百货有个超棒的美妆专柜。

So from Macy's, have, first of all, the most amazing beauty setup glam counter.

你懂我意思吧？

Do you know what I mean?

得了吧，你。

Like, yeah, right.

咱们给妈买个兰蔻吧，好好宠她一下，对吧？

Like what would we get mom like LA Mer, like LA Mer spoil her rotten, right?

或者买点她平时舍不得给自己买的。

Or something that she wouldn't get herself usually.

或者来瓶好香水，或者发油之类的。

Or like a nice perfume or like a hair oil or something like that.

行。

Okay.

这是第一个选项。

That's choice one.

第二个选择，珠宝，任何时候都合适。

Number two, special jewelry any day of the week.

比如钻石手链、小耳钉、或者一条精致的小吊坠，美极了。

So it's like a diamond tennis bracelet, little stud, a a little pendant necklace gorgeous.

好吧，或者梅西百货的钻石，

Okay, or the diamonds at Macy's,

我知道，我得说，真没想到居然这么实惠。

I know, I have to say are I know And affordable.

我不懂他们怎么能把价格压这么低，但全网真没比这更划算的了。

I don't know how they're getting these prices, but they are the best out there.

真的。

Truly.

咱们不问那么多，

We don't ask questions.

买了再说。

We just get them.

直接下单就完事了。

We just buy.

确实挺不错的。

It really is nice.

而且我喜欢你去那儿。

And I like that you go.

你进店的时候，他们特别热情。

And when you go in store, they're very helpful.

没错。

Yes.

他们会说，你尽管看，随便摸，随便挑。

And they're like, you can look at everything and see.

嗯，对。

Okay.

或者第三种，摆个漂亮的餐桌。

Or number three tablescape, a beautiful table.

比如新买些玻璃杯、小香料瓶、麦肯齐家的餐具什么的，这些让我觉得你们是想让我们好好做饭——这话说得没错。

So like some new glasses, a little cruset, a Mackenzie child, you know, that to me feels like we want you to cook for us, which is true.

不过好了，妈，谢莉，母亲节到了，你是选美妆柜台的珠宝，还是家用品呢？

But okay, mom, Sheila, it's your mother's day choose beauty counter jewelry or home item.

太简单了。

Absolutely easy.

我不想再给你做饭了。

I don't want to cook anymore for you.

别做饭了。

No cooking.

她什么都不想要。

She doesn't want any plates.

这丫头真懂我。

That's my gal

我啥都不缺，家里早就有这些了。

already have all this stuff.

我就想要这个，因为看着它，我就能想到你。

I want the because I can look at it forever and think of you.

行吧。

Okay.

她想要那些珠宝，各位。

She wants the jewelry, guys.

她也受过训练的。

She's she's trained as well.

她是有想法的。

She has she has thoughts.

她是有想法的。

She has thoughts.

就是珠宝。

The jewelry.

她不想搞那些护肤产品，但那也是因为我已经送她太多护肤品了，她都够用了。

She doesn't want the skin stuff, but that's also because I've given her a lot of skin stuff, so she's full up.

不过我觉得，送人这种礼物真的挺贴心的。

But like, I do think that's a really nice present to like, give someone.

我同意。

I agree.

我的意思是，这东西能传很久很久。

I mean, and it's something that lasts forever.

她以后十年、二十年后戴着，都会想起你和那个母亲节。

She could wear it ten twenty years from now and always think about you and that one Mother's Day.

我太喜欢了。

I love it.

而且你迟早也能收到。

Well, and then eventually you get it.

对，确实如此。

Yep, that's true.

你说得对。

You're right.

这其实是我们自己的礼物。

It's really a gift for us.

护肤品可没法继承。

You can't inherit skincare.

我没法继承护肤产品。

I can't inherit skincare.

你说得太对了。

You're absolutely right.

我的意思是，你看，钻石最后还是会回到我这儿。

It's like, you know, Okay, well, the diamonds are going to come back to me.

所以啊，关键是买你自己喜欢的东西，对吧？

So really, it's buy something you like, you know?

没错。

Exactly.

是的。

Yeah.

好。

Okay.

我超爱梅西百货。

Well, love Macy's.

还有啊，如果你们需要帮忙，Macy's官网上有全套的礼物推荐清单。

And guys, if you need help, they have an entire gift guide, right on macy's.com.

这个礼物清单真的超棒。

The gift guide is so good.

简直太绝了。

It's a bomb.

太棒了。

It's amazing.

是的。

Yeah.

另外，感谢你们的参与，母亲节快乐，祝你好运！

And, thank you for being a part and good luck on Mother's Day.

加油！

Good luck.

你一定行的。

You got this.

你肯定能搞定。

You're gonna nail it.

干得漂亮，妈妈。

Good job, mom.

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This Quickie of LADYGANG is brought to you by Natural Cycles, the first FDA cleared birth control app that uses your body temperature to help you understand your cycle and either plan or prevent pregnancy.

如果你跟我一样，就会发现Natural Cycles真的挺有用，因为它不只是记录月经。

And if you're like me, Natural Cycles is actually helpful because it's not just tracking your period.

我已经不来月经了。

I don't get a period anymore.

当你进入围绝经期，或者快绝经，又或者有健康问题时，月经常常乱得一塌糊涂，完全没规律。

And when you're in perimenopause or about to go into menopause or have health stuff, sometimes your period is whack a doodle time and it's all over the place.

我得说，自从我开始用免费的Natural Cycles追踪器——你也可以用Apple Watch或者Oura Ring——我一直在监测体温和周期，这才真正搞清楚了原因。

I have to tell you, since I started wearing my free Natural Cycles tracker you can also use your Apple Watch or your Oura Ring I have been tracking my temperature and cycle, and I literally knew why.

今天早上我一醒来就特别有干劲，当时我就想：哦，我这是在黄体期。

I got up this morning and I was motivated and ready to go, and I was like, I'm in my luteal phase.

我当时就想，接下来四天我都得撑着，得赶紧安排几场锻炼。

And I was like, I'm going to be there for the next four days, so let me plan some workouts.

得提前规划好，等我进入其他阶段、状态差得像条咸鱼的时候，心里也有数了。

Let me plan some stuff so that when I'm in my other phases and I'm feeling like a dumpster truck, I will understand that.

我真的觉得这太牛了，它真正帮我们打开了了解自己的新方式。

Like, I just think this is so genius, and it's really unlocking a way for us to help ourselves.

感谢Natural Cycles赞助这次和Tamsen的对话，让女性真正读懂自己的身体。

So thank you to Natural Cycles for sponsoring this conversation with Tamsen and helping women actually understand their bodies.

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Right now, you can get 15% off your yearly subscription and a free NC wearable that you only need to wear when you sleep.

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It's so easy.

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Visit naturalcycles.com/lady and get 15% off your yearly subscription and a free wearable.

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你上App或者网站的时候，别忘了用 promo code ‘lady’ 也能享受优惠。

And when you go on the app or the site, you can just put in promo code lady too.

本节目由Lucy赞助播出。

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我在这档播客里已经多次聊过我对尼古丁的热爱了。

I have talked about my love for nicotine on this podcast many times.

我试过市面上所有牌子的贴片，但这个是我最爱的。

I have tried all the pouches, and these are by far my favorite.

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它们的尼古丁含量最高到12毫克，形状也很特别，用起来特别舒服。

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And here comes the fine print.

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Lucy products are only for adults of legal age, and every customer is age verified.

请注意。

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This product contains nicotine.

尼古丁是一种成瘾性物质。

Nicotine is an addictive chemical.