把握Anthropic上市的细微之处

欢迎收听本播客。

Welcome to the podcast.

我是主持人杰登·谢弗。

I'm your host, Jayden Shafer.

今天在这期播客中，我们将分享一些离奇的故事。

Today on this podcast, we have some wild stories.

其中之一是，马克·扎克伯格多年来一直被许多人称为机器人，如今他正式推出一个自己的AI版本，将在会议上回答问题。

One of them being that Mark Zuckerberg, while many people have called him a robot for many years, is officially creating an AI version of himself that's going to take, questions at meetings.

据报道，苹果正在测试四种不同的智能眼镜设计，这些眼镜将内置AI功能。

Apple is reportedly testing four different designs for smart glasses that they're gonna launch with AI embedded in them.

Vercel的首席执行官登台表示，公司已准备好上市，因为AI代理已在其平台上部署了约30%的应用程序。

Vercel's CEO went on stage and said that the company is ready to IPO because AI agents are basically deploying 30% of the apps on their platform.

Anthropic暂时封禁了OpenClaw的创作者，而特朗普政府似乎正鼓励主要银行测试Anthropic的Mythos模型。

Anthropic temporarily banned the creator of OpenClaw, and the Trump administration is apparently encouraging major banks to test Anthropic's Mythos model.

还有很多其他大事发生，包括萨姆·阿尔特曼的家遭到汽油弹袭击的种种风波。

There's a ton going on, including all of the drama with Sam Altman's home being attacked by a Molotov cocktail.

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

这时间线太疯狂了。

This is a wild timeline.

我们来一一聊聊吧。

Let's get into all of it.

在开始之前，如果你经常使用AI工具，而且在不同工具之间来回切换，那你绝对应该试试AI Box，这是我自己的创业项目，网址是aibox.ai。

Before we do, if you're someone who works with AI regularly and you're bouncing between different tools, you should absolutely check out AI Box, my own startup at aibox.ai.

我们为你提供超过70个模型，集中在一个平台上，而我认为最被低估的部分是自动化构建器。

We give you over 70 models in one place, and the part that I think is really underrated is the automation builder.

你只需用通俗的英语描述你想要什么，无需编程、无需工作流、无需图表，它就会为你构建出工具。

You just describe what you want in plain English, no code, no workflow, no diagrams, and it will build the tool for you.

每月只需8.99美元，就能访问全部80个顶级模型。

It's $8.99 a month to get access access to all 80 of the top models.

包括图像、音频、视频和文本。

That's image, audio, video, text.

你还能使用我们的无代码AI应用构建器。

You also get our no code AI app builder.

与分别购买这些不同工具相比，这能为你节省大量资金。

This should save you a ton of money compared to paying for all of these different tools separately.

我一直在使用它，它正成为我不可或缺的一部分。

I've been using it, and it's becoming one of the things I cannot live without.

描述中有一个指向aibox.ai的链接。

There's a link in the description to aibox.ai.

今天我想聊的第一个故事是苹果正在测试智能眼镜的新设计。

The first story I wanna talk about today is Apple testing new diagrams for smart glasses.

你知道，我特别喜欢智能眼镜。

You know, I'm a huge sucker for smart glasses.

我一生中并不是Meta的铁粉，但我觉得他们的智能眼镜非常出色。

I'm not even a huge meta stan throughout my life, would say, but I think that their smart glasses are phenomenal.

我认为行业的其他参与者也注意到了这一点。

I think a lot of other players in the industry are noticing that.

据彭博社的马克·古尔曼称，苹果正在积极测试四种不同的智能眼镜镜框设计，他们的目标是于2027年销售这些产品。

According to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, Apple is actively testing four different frame designs for smart glasses that they're gonna they're like, their goal is to go sell these in 2027.

我的意思是，这显然是个明智的举措。

I mean, obviously, this is a good play.

他们拥有这项技术，因为他们有Apple VR头显，说实话，除非我得去苹果店处理笔记本电脑的事，否则我根本想不起来它还存在。

They have the technology because they have the Apple VR headset, which I honestly forget it exists until I have to go to the Apple store to get something done with my laptop.

最近我就得去一趟，看到它们在展示，人们正在试戴。

Recently, I had to do that, and I saw them on display, and people were trying them on.

我觉得作为一款产品，它们真的失败得很惨。

I just feel like those were a really big flop as far as a product goes.

Meta或许诱使苹果进入了这个领域，但智能眼镜本身并没有失败。

Meta might have kinda baited them into the industry, but the glasses are not a flop.

我认识很多会主动佩戴配备AI和摄像头的Meta Ray-Ban眼镜的人，所以我认为苹果知道这是一步好棋。

I know a ton of people that will actively wear Meta Ray Bans around with AI and cameras embedded in them, and so I think Apple knows that this is a good play.

据蒂姆·库克称，有两种椭圆形或圆形的选择。

According to Tim Cook, there are two oval, or circular options.

有多种不同的尺寸。

There's a bunch of different sizes.

他们还在考虑黑色、蓝色和浅棕色。

They're also looking at black, blue, light brown.

我认为有趣的是，这些眼镜不会配备显示屏。

And I think what's interesting is these aren't gonna have displays.

没有AR叠加层。

There's no AR overlays.

甚至没有混合现实功能，尽管他们已经有了VR头盔。

There's no kind of like mixed reality even though they have the VR headset.

他们主要让你拍摄照片和视频。

They're going to basically let you take photos and videos.

你可以接电话。

You can answer calls.

你可以播放音乐，并与他们新升级的AI系列进行交互。

You can play music, and you can interact with, of course, their new upgraded AI series.

所以从功能上讲，我认为它更接近于Meta目前推出的Ray-Ban眼镜，而不是像Vision Pro那样，或者Meta未来、Google未来在增强现实和眼镜领域正在开发的东西。

So functionally, I think it's a lot closer to what Meta is doing with their Ray Ban glasses today than anything like the Vision Pro or what Meta is gonna be doing in the future, what Google is working on in the future with augmented reality and glasses.

我认为这是苹果公司，你知道的，基本上接受了现实。

I think this is Apple, you know, basically accepting reality.

Vision Pro并没有达到他们预期的效果，因此他们希望转向一种更具市场吸引力、更能激发人们兴趣的产品。

The Vision Pros did not land the way they hoped, and so they're gonna hopefully move into something that is a lot has a lot more market appeal and people are a lot more excited about.

另一件我觉得非常有趣的事情是，Vercel的首席执行官是吉勒姆·罗什，如果你没有关注他的话，我得说他是个传奇人物，经常分享关于人工智能的深刻见解，我强烈推荐你关注他。

Something else that I thought was very fascinating right now, Vercel's CEO is Guillaume Rausch, which if you don't follow him on by the way, he's a legend and drops some really great insights into what's going on with AI, so I highly recommend giving him a follow.

他最近表示，公司的年度经常性收入已从2024年的约一亿美元增长到今年二月的三亿四千万美元的年化水平。

He recently said that the company's annual recurring revenue has gone from about a $100,000,000 at the 2024 to a run rate of $340,000,000 by the February.

当被问及上市计划时，他基本上表示，Vercel是一家‘非常像上市公司’的企业，并且‘已经准备好，而且每天都在变得更加成熟’。

And when he was asked about an IPO, he basically said that Vercel is, quote, very much a working public company, and that it's, quote, ready and getting more ready every day.

我个人认为，这些都不令人意外。

Personally, don't think any of this is surprising.

在过去两周里，我觉得我已经启动了五个不同的项目，把它们从其他托管平台迁移到了Vercel，因为它与Claude Code集成得非常好。

In the last, two weeks, I think I've spun up five different projects where I've moved them off of other hosting providers and put them on Vercel because it integrates so well with Claude Code.

如果你问Claude Code，我应该在哪里托管我的Claude Code应用？

And if you ask Claude Code, like, where should I host my, you know, Claude Code app?

它会说，为什么不试试Netlify或Vercel呢？

It's gonna say, well, why don't you try Netlify or Vercel?

Vercel看起来比Netlify更酷炫。

And Vercel, is, you know, a slicker looking company than Netlify.

这简直是不二之选。

So it's an it's a no brainer.

对吧？

Right?

它们应该具备哪些功能？

Like, what features should they have?

我不知道。

I don't know.

但既然ClaudeCode推荐了，我就把我的五个网站都部署到Vercel上了。

But ClaudeCode recommended it, so I set up five of my websites on Vercel.

不过说正经的，我现在用的是他们的免费套餐。

In all seriousness though, I'm on their free tier.

我很快就会升级到他们的付费套餐了。

I'll probably get bumped up to their paid tier here soon.

但我把这么多项目都放在上面了。

But I put so many projects on there.

Vercel 真的是太棒了。

Vercel is an absolute legend.

而且因为它有 API，能非常轻松地与 Cloud Code 集成，所以我根本不用登录 Vercel 去设置任何东西。

And because it has a API, integrates with Cloud Code very easily, I don't go into Vercel and set up anything.

我不知道它内部是什么样子的。

I don't know what the inside of it looks like.

我不知道该怎么把我的域名服务器指向那里。

I don't know how to, you know, point my name servers there.

我根本不需要做这些事。

I don't have to do any of that.

我只需要告诉Cloud Cowork：嘿，我正在开发一个应用。

I just tell Cloud Cowork, hey, you know, I'm building an app.

去你的域名注册商那里。

Go to my domain registrar.

把域名指向Vercel。

Point it at Vercel.

让我全部设置好，它会自动搞定一切。

Get everything set up for me, and it does it all.

所以Vercel在这场AI竞赛中是大赢家，这挺有意思的，因为显然Anthropic一出场就彻底颠覆了大量软件行业。

So Vercel is a huge winner in this AI race, and it's kind of interesting because, obviously, Anthropic is coming out of the gate and just killing a bunch of software industries.

而且我觉得他们提供的更像是基础设施。

There's also a bunch of I feel like they're infrastructure.

对吧？

Right?

比如服务器和数据库。

Like servers and databases.

对吧？

Right?

你有像 Supabase 这样的公司。

You have, like, Supabase.

有很多这类公司，我认为它们与人工智能集成后都成了非凡的企业。

There's a lot of these companies that I think integrated with AI are just phenomenal companies.

我的意思是，你看。

And I mean, look.

目前在 Vercel 平台上运行的应用程序中有 30% 来自 AI 代理，而不是人类编写代码。

30% of the apps running on Vercel's platform right now came from AI agents, not humans writing code.

我所有在 Vercel 上的应用程序都来自代理，而不是我自己，因为我根本不想做这些事。

A 100% of the apps that I have on Vercel are coming from agents, not me because there's no way I wanna do that.

所以我认为这绝对是市场的发展方向，而 Vercel 尤其出色地抓住了这一趋势。

So I think this is definitely the direction that the market's going in, and Vercel has really, you know, I think they've phenomenally captured that in particular.

接下来我想谈的，说到 Anthropic，是他们对 OpenClaw 创始人的临时封禁。

The next thing I wanna talk about, speaking of Anthropic, is their temporary ban on the creator of OpenClaw.

彼得·斯坦伯格创建了OpenClaw，这是一个开源的AI编程工具。

So Peter Steinberger, he, created OpenClaw, basically, you know, open source AI coding tool.

它迅速走红。

It went super viral.

他最近在X上发帖，称Anthropic以‘可疑活动’为由暂停了他的账户。

He recently posted on X, and he said that Anthropic had suspended his account for, quote, suspicious activity.

这发生在Anthropic调整定价之后不久，Claude订阅不再涵盖通过第三方工具（如OpenClaw）的使用——当然，他本人就是OpenClaw的创建者，后来被OpenAI聘用或收购了。

Basically, this happened shortly after Anthropic changed their pricing so that Claude subscriptions no longer covered usage through third party tools like OpenClaw, of course, he he created OpenClaw, was kind of hired or acquired by OpenAI.

现在用户必须通过API单独付费，不能再直接使用Claude的Mac订阅，而这个订阅本身其实是补贴过的。

Users now have to pay separately through the API, so they can't just use the Claude Mac subscription, which to be fair is a subsidized subscription.

我用的就是这个。

That's what I have.

我不用OpenClaw，因为我用的是Cloud Cowork和Cloud Code的组合来完成我的大部分项目。

I don't use OpenCloud because I'm using Cloud Cowork and Cloud Code kinda combined to get a lot of my projects done.

Cloud Cowork太棒了。

Cloud Cowork is amazing.

OpenCloud 我相信也很棒，但 Cloud Cowork 真的很厉害，因为它能掌控你的电脑。

OpenCloud, I'm sure, is amazing too, but Cloud Cowork is amazing because it takes control of your computer.

它具备电脑操作能力。

It has computer use.

你告诉它做任何事。

You tell it to do anything.

它能帮你搭建 Vercel 服务器、网站、托管服务和数据库。

It goes and sets up your Vercel server, your websites, your hosting, your databases.

它甚至能去 CapCut 上编辑视频。

It can go edit videos on CapCut.

我的意思是，这简直疯狂。

I mean, honestly, it's insane.

不过问题在于，如果你使用每月 200 美元的 Claude Cowork 服务，你实际上是在消耗数千美元的积分，而他们现在只是为早期用户补贴这部分费用。

So the the problem with it though is that if you're on the $200 a month tier with Claude Cowork, you're really using thousands of dollars of credits, and they're just kind of subsidizing it right now for early users.

他们并不想补贴那些使用 OpenCLOS 的人。

And they don't wanna subsidize people that are using OpenCLOS.

所以说实话，我知道他们因为这个确实挨了不少批评，因为大家觉得他们是在对抗开源，要求所有人都必须使用他们的API才能在OpenCloth上运行。

So honestly, I know they actually get a lot of flack for this because it's like, oh, they're fighting against open, source and by saying that everyone has to use like their API to run it on OpenCloth.

我的意思是，这其实是被补贴的。

I mean, it's subsidized.

所以归根结底，这对他们的公司来说更赚钱。

So at the end of the day, it's it's what's kind of more profitable for their company.

所以我也说不准。

So I don't know.

我对此也没太生气。

I'm not too too mad about it.

但无论如何，我觉得这件事特别有意思的地方在于，它凸显了开源工具与专有平台之间的张力。

But in any case, I think one thing that's really interesting from this is kind of the tension that all of this showed with open source tools, proprietary platforms.

很多人对此非常愤怒。

A lot of people got quite mad about that.

显然，这是他们新出台的一项政策，而他因为使用方式违反了新条款，被检测到异常活动。

Obviously, was I mean, it's kind of a new policy that they changed, and he got, you know, he got suspicious, activity for how he was using it, which was against their new terms.

但不管怎样，发在X上后，很多人对此非常不满。

But anyways, posting on X, a lot of people got quite upset about it.

接下来我想谈的是，特朗普政府官员似乎在鼓励银行测试Anthropic的Mythos模型。

The next thing I want to talk about is that there is the Trump officials are apparently encouraging banks to test Anthropic's Mythos model.

这个模型最近爆红，因为据说它能黑入各种不同的软件。

This is a model that went super viral because it's like, you know, it can go and hack, like, all of this different software.

我们最近看到不少报道指出，Anthropic声称这个模型太危险而不能发布，可能有点夸大其词，更像是一个大型公关噱头。

We've recently had a lot of reports come out that say, you know, Anthropic saying it was too dangerous to release was probably a little bit overblown and probably like a big publicity stunt.

但据称，财政部长斯科特·贝塞特和美联储主席杰罗姆·鲍威尔本周召集了银行和高管开会，鼓励他们使用这个新模型来检测安全漏洞。

But apparently, treasure secretary Scott Bessette and Federal Reserve chair Jerome Powell brought banks and executives in for a meeting this week, and they encouraged them to use this new model to detect security vulnerabilities.

摩根大通早在Anthropic公布这一计划时就是其原始合作伙伴之一，但现在高盛、花旗集团、美国银行、摩根士丹利也都将开始测试它。

JPMorgan Chase was already listed as one of the original partners from Anthropic when they kind of announced this, but now Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, all of them are gonna be testing it out too.

我觉得有趣的是，Anthropic目前正与特朗普政府打官司，而美国国防部在一些关于限制模型军事用途的谈判破裂后，已将Anthropic列为供应链风险。

What I think is interesting is that Anthropic is currently in a court battle with the Trump administration, and the Department of Defense has designated Anthropic as a supply chain risk after some of their negotiations broke down over, limiting military use of the model.

Anthropic曾提出一些条款，说：‘嘿。'

Anthropic put some terms in saying, hey.

你看。

Look.

军队不能用它来做这些事。

The military can't do these things with it.

军队对这一点并不高兴。

The military wasn't happy about that.

所以他们正在打一场法律官司。

So they're having this kind of legal battle.

但与此同时，当涉及到修补安全漏洞时，好吧，我们就先把这场法律纠纷放一边，确保用我们最新最好的模型来保护银行系统——老实说，作为银行系统的用户，我对这件事感到高兴。

And at the same time, when it comes to patching security vulnerabilities, like, well, we'll we'll put our little legal battle to the side and make sure to use our latest and greatest model for for the banking system, which honestly, I I'm I'm as a user of of the banking system, I'm happy that this is happening.

但我认为这不仅仅是美国的事情。

I think it's not just a US thing though.

《金融时报》报道称，英国金融监管机构也在讨论Mythos模型带来的风险。

The Financial Times reported that The UK financial regulators are also discussing the risks posed by Mythos.

不过他们是从另一个角度来讨论的。

They're talking about it from a different angle though.

他们担心的是，这个模型可能擅长发现Anthropic不会公开的漏洞，而这正是Anthropic不公开它的原因。

They're concerned about what it means that the model might be good at finding vulnerabilities that Anthropic won't release, and that's why Anthropic isn't releasing it publicly.

因此，一些网络安全组织、政府和不断涌现的新模型之间存在着非常复杂的关系。

So definitely a very complicated relationship between some cybersecurity organizations, governments, and these new models that keep coming out.

好的。

Okay.

我认为过去几个小时里最离奇的消息是，萨姆·阿尔特曼公开发布了回应。

The wildest story, I think, that happened in the last the last few hours is that Sam Altman has posted publicly.

他回应了《纽约客》的调查报道。

He responded to the New Yorker investigation.

有人袭击了他的家，我觉得这简直太疯狂了，确实非常令人不安。

There was an attack on his home, which I think is absolutely wild, definitely very unsettling.

周五清晨，有人用燃烧弹闯入了萨姆·阿尔特曼在旧金山的家中。

Early on Friday morning, this kind of someone came in through a Molotov cocktail at Sam Altman's home in San Francisco.

没有人受伤。

Nobody was hurt.

嫌疑人后来在OpenAI总部被逮捕，当时他威胁要烧毁大楼，显然是一名精神不稳定的人。

The suspect was later arrested at OpenAI headquarters where he was threatening to burn the building down, so obviously a mentally unstable person.

这起事件发生在《纽约客》发表由罗南·法罗和安德鲁·马滕斯撰写的 lengthy 调查报告几天后，这两位都是非常严肃的记者。

This came just a couple days after The New Yorker published a really long investigation by Ronan Farrow and Andrew Martens, two very serious journalists.

法罗因对哈维·韦恩斯坦的报道获得普利策奖，他们采访了超过一百名了解萨姆·阿尔特曼商业背景的人，他们所描绘的画面——我看过一些他们在播客和社交媒体上谈论此事的片段——确实非常负面。

Farrow won a Pulitzer for his Harvey Weinstein reporting, They basically interviewed more than a 100 people with knowledge of Sam Altman's business context, and the picture that they painted, I mean, saw a bunch of clips of them kind of talking about it on, like, podcasts and social media, and it was definitely very unflattering.

大多数消息来源将萨姆·阿尔特曼描述为拥有他们所谓的‘ relentless 的权力欲’，这使他与其他科技CEO区别开来。

Most sources describe Sam Altman as having what they called, quote, a relentless will to power that set him apart from other, like, tech CEOs.

一位OpenAI的匿名董事会成员被引用说，他结合了‘强烈希望取悦他人、在任何互动中都希望被喜欢’与‘对欺骗他人可能带来的后果表现出反社会的漠视’。

One anonymous board member from OpenAI was actually quoted, and they said that he combines, quote, a strong desire to please people, to be liked in any given interaction, with a sociopathic lack of concern for the consequences that might come from deceiving someone.

所以，我的意思是，这确实非常沉重。

So, I mean, obviously, this is very heavy.

我认为这与多年来其他记者对萨姆·阿尔特曼的报道高度一致。

I think it's pretty consistent with reporting from other journalists who've also profiled Sam Altman over the years.

确实存在一种模式，让人质疑他的公众形象是否与他在董事会闭门会议中的私下行为相符。

There's definitely this kind of pattern of questions about whether the public persona matches how he's behaving in private behind closed doors with his board.

我的意思是，我看到的很多具体事情都是他去董事会时，直接撒谎。

I mean, a a lot of the stuff that I saw specifically was him kind of going to the board and and, like, just flat out lying about things.

萨姆·阿尔特曼在周五晚上发布了一篇博客文章，回应了针对他家的袭击以及那篇文章。

Sam Altman published a blog post Friday night responding to both the attack, you know, someone attacking his home, and the article.

他承认自己犯了错误，特别是在回避冲突方面。

He acknowledged that he had made mistakes, particularly around being, quote, conflict averse.

我的意思是，他基本上是在说，有时他会因为回避冲突而选择撒谎。

I mean, you know, he's basically saying sometimes he will be conflict averse and lie to avoid conflict.

我认为他说这并不好。

I think he said that that's not great.

他特别提到了2023年的董事会风波，也就是他被罢免后又复职的那件事。

He specifically referenced the 2023 board drama, which is, you know, when he got removed and then reinstated the CEO.

他说自己对处理这件事的方式感到不光彩。

He called it something that he's not proud of handling, of how he handled it.

他说自己处理得不好。

He said he handled it badly.

他说自己是一个身处极其复杂境况中的有缺陷的人，正努力每年变得更好一点。

He said that he's, quote, a flawed person in the center of an exceptionally complex situation trying to get a little better each year.

所以并不是每天都在进步，但他每年都在进步。

So not getting better every day, but he's getting better every year.

他还明确地将这篇文章与袭击事件联系了起来。

He also drew a really direct line between the article and the attack.

在他的博客中，他说有人曾警告他这篇文章即将发布，并且提醒他：

In his, like, blog, he said that someone had warned him that this article was gonna come out and that, you know, they're like, look.

这对你来说会非常危险，因为很多人对人工智能感到愤怒，而现在又出了这事。

It's gonna be super dangerous for you because a lot of people are mad about AI, and now there's this.

你会有危险。

You're gonna be in danger.

但显然，他当时说：不可能。

And apparently, he was like, no way.

我觉得我会没事的。

Like, I'm gonna be fine.

然后他说，他低估了语言和叙事的力量。

And then he was like, he said, quote, he had underestimated the power of words and narratives.

在他的帖子中，他还谈到了他所说的AI行业中的权力动态圈。

In his post, he also talked about what he called the ring of power dynamics in the AI industry.

基本上，这种观点认为，有人掌控通用人工智能的前景会让人做出极端行为。

Basically, this kind of idea that the prospect of somebody controlling AGI makes people do really extreme things.

接着他指出，解决方案不是让任何一个人或公司掌握这种权力，而是要‘致力于广泛地与人们共享这项技术’，这显然是一位前开源非营利组织、如今已转变为闭源营利性公司的CEO所做出的非常引人深思的表态——这家公司如今已成为全球最有价值的私营企业之一。

And then he kinda made the point that the solution isn't for any one person or company to hold that power, but to, quote, orient towards sharing the technology with people broadly, which obviously is a very interesting statement from the CEO of a company that was previously an open source nonprofit and has since become a closed source, for profit, very valuable, you know, one of the most valuable private companies in the entire world.

全球最有价值的私营企业。

The most valuable private company in the entire world.

所以我认为这里同时发生了几件事。

So I think there's a few things that happened here simultaneously.

首先，显然，这次袭击本身令人极度不安。

First, obviously, the attack itself is super disturbing.

我的意思是，无论你对萨姆·阿尔特曼或OpenAI持什么看法，都不该有人用燃烧弹袭击他们的家。

I mean, whatever your opinion of Sam Altman or OpenAI, obviously, one should have their home firebombed.

这太离谱了。

That's super messed up.

这让我想起，可能程度更极端，但我记得当埃隆开始涉足政治时，有人纵火，往特斯拉门店里扔莫洛托夫鸡尾酒，把店烧掉，里面还有人。

And it reminds me of, like, it's probably even a more extreme level, but I remember when Elon was getting involved in politics and arsons were going and throwing Molotov cocktails inside of like Tesla, you know, stores and burning them down, and people are there.

这显然非常糟糕。

And it's like, obviously this is very messed up.

这是私刑。

It's vigilante.

这是无政府主义。

It's, you know, it's anarchist.

这是非法的、危险的，而且非常恶劣。

It's illegal and dangerous and and, like, terrible.

所以我认为一方面就是这样。

So I think that's on the one side.

但我还认为，这凸显了随着人工智能成为更大的政治和文化引爆点，我们将会看到更多类似的情况。

But I also think it highlights something that we're gonna see more of as AI becomes kind of this bigger political and cultural flashpoint.

你知道吗，构建这些系统的人如今成了目标，而以前他们并不会这样，我觉得围绕人工智能的言论正变得越来越激烈。

You know, people building these systems are becoming targets in a way that they weren't before, and I think a lot of the rhetoric around AI is getting hotter.

你也可以看看《纽约时报》的那篇文章。

Also, you can kind of look at the New York Times piece.

我已经反复看过了。

I've looked through it a lot.

无论你最终认为萨姆·阿尔特曼是根本不可信，还是只是一个在做艰难工作的人，这大概取决于你的观点。

You know, whether you come away thinking Sam Altman is fundamentally untrustworthy or just kind of a complicated person doing a hard job, that probably depends on your opinion.

但我认为，愿意以匿名方式提供批评性说法的人数之多，确实值得注意。

But I think just the sheer number of people willing to go on kind of background with critical accounts is pretty notable.

这篇报道中有一百多个消息来源。

There's a 100 plus sources in this reporting.

所以，有很多人接受了这次采访。

So, like, there's a lot of people that were interviewed for this.

我觉得另一件有趣的事是，萨姆·阿尔特曼的回应比我们通常从处于危机中的科技CEO那里听到的更个人化、更富有反思性。

And the other thing that I think is interesting is Sam Almond's response was more kind of personal and reflective than what we usually get from tech CEOs that are kind of in this, like, crisis mode.

他没有用律师式的语言回避或否认任何事情。

He didn't lawyer up kind of the language or or like deny anything.

他基本上承认了自己是有缺陷的。

He basically admitted that he was flawed.

他向那些他伤害过的人表达了歉意。

He kind of apologized to people that he's hurt.

他承认了当前行业中那种莎士比亚式的戏剧性。

He acknowledged the quote Shakespearean drama in in like the industry right now.

所以，无论你认为他的自我反思是真诚的，还是更像是一种精心策划的公关手段，这都取决于你自己的判断。

So I think whether that reads as kind of being genuine in, like, how he's self reflecting or maybe more it's kind of like a calculated PR thing, that's up to you.

但我确实认为，值得以表面意思来看待他的表态，并观察接下来会发生什么。

But I do think it's worth kind of taking it at face value and and seeing what comes next.

关于整个环境，我们当前所处的这个时刻，我认为对AI的焦虑是真实存在的。

Something about this whole environment, you know, in this moment we're in, I think AI anxiety is real.

谁控制这些系统的后果极其重大，我认为这个领域中的公众人物正面临前所未有的审视。

The stakes of who controls these systems is really enormous, and I think the public figures in the space are under a lot more scrutiny than ever.

对吧？

Right?

这有点像是《纽约客》那篇专访的综合。

There's kind of a combination of that New Yorker profile.

还有那场攻击。

There's the attack.

萨姆·阿尔特曼的回应，似乎成了公众如何看待AI建设者的一个转折点。

There's Sam Altman's kind of response feeling like a bit of a turning point on how the public relates to people building AI.

我觉得这已经不再仅仅是一个科技故事了。

I think it's not, you know, just kind of this technology story anymore.

它正逐渐变得更具个人色彩，同时也更具政治性。

It's kind of becoming this more personal and and also political.

所以，总之，很多事情正在发生，而且我认为短期内不会平息。

So, anyways, a lot going on, and I don't think that's gonna ease up anytime soon.

好了，各位。

Okay, everyone.

这就是今天的节目。

That is the show for today.

如果你从这些节目中获得了价值，我真的很希望你能留下一个评价。

If you're getting value from these episodes, I would really, really appreciate it if you could leave a review.

在Apple播客上评论，或者在Spotify上给一些星级评价都可以。

Drop a comment on Apple Podcasts or you can leave some stars on Spotify.

这真的，老实说，对我们帮助特别大。

It really like, honestly, it helps us show out so much.

如果你想了解AI Box，请访问 aibox.ai。

If And you wanna check out AI Box, head over to aibox.ai.

链接在简介里。

The link is in the description.

我们下一期再见。

I'll catch you in the next episode.