尚未结束 | 第15集

所以那是一种恐惧，但也带着点歉意。

So it was fear, but it was also a mix of like, I'm sorry.

我不知道自己做错了什么。

I don't know what I've done.

这感觉挺奇怪的。

And that was weird.

上星期五发生的事是头一回，完全不一样了。

That was just something on Friday that happened that was a first time thing, and it was something new.

这点我敢肯定。

I'll just that was for sure.

她的眼神变了，我一下子就觉得，嗯，有点不一样了。

It was a new look that I I'm like, okay.

有什么东西变了。

Something has shifted.

6月29号星期一，大家又一次来到了马里科帕县高等法院。

On Monday, June 29, everyone arrived at the Maricopa County Superior Courthouse once again.

这次是来听劳拉刑事案件的进展汇报。

This time, it was for a status update in Laura's criminal case.

案号CR2025007905，州政府诉劳拉·米歇尔·欧文斯，本次开庭安排为复杂案件管理会议及进展听证。

This is CR2025007905State versus Laura Michelle Owens time set for a complex case management conference and a status conference.

我没亲自到场，但几个消息源说，那天法院里安保明显比平时更严。

I wasn't able to be there in person, but a few of my sources were there, and they said there appeared to be extra security in the courthouse that day.

我们之前已经提前了解到劳拉律师的立场，他说还需要更多时间来审查证据。

We'd already gotten a preview of what Laura's attorney might say, which is that he needed more time to review the evidence.

但周一这一天，劳拉本该正式回应检方的认罪协议提议。

But Monday was Laura's opportunity for a formal answer on the plea deal.

大家心里还抱着一丝希望，觉得她可能会出人意料地接受认罪，让这一切终于结束。

And there was still a little hope that it could finally be overthat Laura would surprise us all by taking the plea.

克莱顿告诉我，听证会的开场方式让他完全没想到。

Clayton told me the hearing began in a way he didn't expect.

法官想把检察官和律师叫到办公室里单独谈一谈。

The judge wants to meet with the prosecutor and her lawyer back in the chambers.

我当时就心想：真的吗？

So I was already kind of like, really?

为什么不能公开讨论呢？

Like, why can't we discuss this openly?

过了几分钟，法官和律师们回到了法庭。

After a few minutes, the judge and lawyers returned to the courtroom.

但既然现在是在正式记录中，他们其实没什么好谈的了。

But now that they were on the record, there was very little they had to discuss.

大部分内容前几天的和解会议已经说过了。

Most of it had already been covered at the settlement conference a few days earlier.

剩下的只是一些行政细节。

The only thing left was an administrative detail.

好的。

Alright.

有一项待决动议，请求修改保释条件以允许出行。

There's a pending motion to modify release conditions to permit travel.

莱斯特先生，您想就这个问题发表意见吗？

Mister Leiter, did you want to be heard on that issue?

6月26日星期五，劳拉提交了一份跨州旅行申请。

On Friday, June 26, Laura submitted an out of state travel request.

因为她在亚利桑那州面临14项重罪指控，所以她必须申请许可才能离开本州。

Because she's charged with 14 felonies in the state of Arizona, she has to ask for permission to leave the state.

她想在听完这次庭审后立刻去加利福尼亚州的圣地亚哥。

She wanted to go to San Diego, California, right after this hearing.

我们已经让配音演员朗读过那份出行申请了。

We've had a voice actor read from the travel request.

她这次出行的目的是去帮姐姐莎拉照顾年幼的孩子。

The purpose of her trip is to help her sister Sarah with caring for her young children.

莎拉因为工作原因不在家，而她丈夫下周又突然被派去出差。

Sarah has been away from her home on business, and her husband was unexpectedly called away next week for work.

他们俩都不在的时候，两个年幼的孩子没人照顾。

They have no one to care for their two young children while they're away.

这家人平时经常找欧文斯女士帮忙照看孩子，

The couple frequently relies on Ms.

这次的情况里他们实在找不到别的人来帮忙了。

Owens for childcare and they do not have another option in this situation.

——本案的受害者有权对这一出行申请提出反对。

-The victims have the right to object to travel requests.

在这个案子里，格雷格和克莱顿都表示，他们不同意劳拉离开本州。

In this case, both Greg and Clayton said they didn't want Laura to travel out of state.

之后，我问克莱顿为什么会有这种感觉。

Afterwards, I asked Clayton why he feels that way.

她应该开始承受自己行为带来的痛苦。

She deserves to start feeling the pain of her actions.

总得让她感到不便才行，因为目前对她来说没有任何限制。

There needs to be something inconveniencing her because, as of right now, there is nothing inconveniencing her.

劳拉今天想干嘛就干嘛，因为她没有任何约束。

Laura can go do anything she wants today because she has no restrictions.

你根本看不出劳拉正面临重罪指控。

You wouldn't even know that Laura is facing felony charges.

你能听出克莱顿语气里的沮丧。

You can hear the frustration in Clayton's voice.

但最终，布鲁德法官批准了劳拉的出行申请。

But in the end, Judge Bruder permitted Laura's travel request.

我仔细审查了案卷。

I did review the record.

欧文斯小姐每次都准时出庭。

Miss Owens made all her court appearances.

她不像是会潜逃的风险。

Does not appear to be a flight risk.

尽管受害者反对，我还是批准欧文斯小姐前往加利福尼亚。

So over the victim's objection, permit miss Owens to travel to California.

事后我跟克莱顿聊过，他还是对此非常生气。

-When I talked to Clayton after the fact, he was still heated about this.

我觉得这很有问题，因为劳拉本就应该为自己的行为付出代价。

-I'm like, that's problematic to me because Laura should have been already feeling the ramifications for her actions.

结果法院却说，你想要更多时间？

But yet, the court has just said, You want more time?

好吧，劳拉，给你。

There you go, Laura.

拿去

Have

这件事。

it.

听证会快结束的时候，双方就下次开庭的时间来回商量了一番。

At the end of the hearing, there was some back and forth about scheduling the next one.

法官说了句挺有意思的话。

And interestingly, this line from the judge.

我知道，我想应该是最近披露了一些新证据，辩方正在审查。

I know there's some I guess there was some recently disclosed evidence the defense is reviewing.

我们还不清楚这具体意味着什么，但还是提一下比较好，以防万一有什么变化。

We don't know yet exactly what that means, but it's worth mentioning, just in case something comes a bit.

正如我们说的，大部分实质内容其实已经在法官的办公室里谈过了。

Like we said, most of the substance had already taken place in chambers.

这次听证会上，根本就没直接讨论认罪协议的事。

The plea deal was not even discussed directly in this hearing.

欧文斯女士，请您继续和您的律师保持联系，本次庭审到此休庭。

So, miss Owens, stay in touch with your lawyer, and we are in recess of this matter.

听证会结束后不久，新的调解会议就被安排在了2026年8月28日。

Shortly after the hearing, a new settlement conference appeared on the docket for 08/28/2026.

这看起来就是认罪协议的新截止日期。

That looks like the new plea expiration date.

听证会后，克莱顿直接找检察官了解了情况。

After this hearing, Clayton spoke to the prosecutors directly.

检察官告诉他那天在法官办公室里到底发生了什么。

They told him about what happened in the judge's chambers that day.

这让我豁然开朗。

And it was illuminating for me.

看来劳拉的态度很坚决。

It seems like Laura has a hard line.

绝不判监禁。

No jail time.

绝不判入狱。

No prison time.

他说，简单讲就是：

He said basically, like, look.

我们在法官办公室里，法官正竭尽全力想让我们达成认罪协议。

We're in the chambers, and the judge is trying everything in his power to get us to come to a plea.

他不想把案子拖到审判。

He doesn't want to take this to a trial.

所以他问，我们能做点什么来促成认罪？

So he's like, what can we do to make this a plea?

劳拉的律师说，如果认罪协议里不附带任何监禁刑期，她早就认罪了。

Laura's lawyer said if there was no jail time or prison time that could be attached to the plea, she would have taken the plea already.

这才是她最担心的事情。

That is what she's most afraid of.

正如我们所知，劳拉的要求和克莱顿的立场是相左的。

As we know, Laura's demand is at odds with Clayton's.

克莱顿希望她接受监禁或入狱的刑期。

Clayton wants her to see jail or prison time.

在这次会面中，检察官告诉克莱顿，坐牢或进监狱的可能性并没有排除。

In this meeting, the prosecutors told Clayton they would not take jail or prison off the table.

克莱顿还对另一个问题想要个答案。

Clayton also wanted an answer to another question.

我问了检察官，我说，8月28日这个截止日期，是不是她接受认罪协议的绝对最后期限？

-I asked the prosecutor, I said, this deadline on the August 28, Is that the absolute last point at which she can take the plea?

他说，是的。

He said, Yes.

我说，这种情况根本不可能延期。

I said, There is no situation in which that will get extended.

他回说，我保证不会。

He goes, No, I'll make sure of it.

明白了。

Okay.

所以如果她真的要认罪，那肯定是在二十八号那天，因为她会拖着。

So if she takes the plea on the twenty eighth because she will wait.

她不会在二十七号就认罪。

She's not going take it on the twenty seventh.

她更不会提前一个月就答应。

She's not going to take it, you know, a month earlier.

她就是要拖到最后一刻，因为她知道拖得越久，对我们越不利。

She's going to wait until the last minute because she just wants to drag this out Because she knows that it only harms us.

但我问了，如果她那天同意认罪，之后会怎样？

But I said, if she accepts that day, what happens from there?

他说，要是她认罪了，我们就进入量刑阶段，时间安排在一个月内。

He goes, well, she accepts, we go to sentencing, which will be scheduled within a month.

他说，那这件事就结束了。

He goes, then that'll be it.

你去法院走个过场，接着宣判，这事就完了。

You'll go in your day at court, and then sentencing will happen, and that'll be it.

我说，行。

I said, Okay.

要是她拒绝认罪，他说，那就上庭审判。

And if she declines it, he goes, Then she goes to trial.

我说，那现实点说，这事儿什么时候能开庭？

I said, And realistically, when does that occur?

审判？

Trial?

他说，大概从那时起两个月后吧。

He said, Likely two months from that point.

所以你是说，大概十一月的某个时候。

So you're saying probably sometime in November.

真没想到，本来以为七月底就结束了，结果庭审又被推迟了四个月。

Crazy how we just pushed trial out four months when it was supposed to end of July.

现在的法院系统就是这样。

That's the court system now.

这就是现实，没办法。

That's just the business, baby.

按理说，我们都应该能接受这个结果。

That's what we're all supposed to be okay with.

过去这一年里，我前后花了大概三十个小时采访克莱顿。

I've spent about thirty hours interviewing Clayton over the last year.

这次采访感觉不太一样。

This interview was different.

他在这段对话里的情绪特别真实，特别强烈。

His emotion was so raw in this conversation.

我觉得自己一点权力都没有。

I don't feel like I have any power.

再说一遍，我只是实话实说。

And again, I'm just being honest.

我只能听凭法院的摆布。

I'm at the mercy of the court.

你知道的，我什么都做不了。

You know, there's nothing I can do.

对我来说，我就坐在这儿，继续过我的生活，尽量不去想这件事，然后等到8月28日再去面对，因为我也无能为力。

So for me, I'm just going to sit here and go on with my life and live my life outside of this situation, try to think about this as little as possible, and then show up on August 28 because there's nothing I can do.

我给检察官写了一封信。

I've written a letter to the prosecutor.

他们确实考虑了我说的话，但结果没有任何改变。

They've taken what I've said into consideration, but nothing changed.

这说不上好，也说不上坏。

It's neither bad nor good.

事情就是这样了。

It just is what it is.

我们只能干坐着等，眼睁睁看着司法系统像蜗牛一样慢吞吞地走，一直都是这样。

We sit and wait, and we just let the justice system basically go at a snail's pace like it always does.

也许我们该认清现实：这本来就是一个出了问题的系统，它还在以冰川般的速度往前挪，那就只好耐心等着了。

Maybe we just see it for what it is, a system that's broken, that is still moving forward at a glacial pace, and let's just wait it out.

就这样吧。

And that's it.

他听起来很沮丧。

He sounds defeated.

但在这表面之下，其实是满满的挫败和愤怒。

But of course, underneath that, it's frustration and anger.

这件事真的让人情绪波动很大。

This whole thing is emotional.

那就坦率地表现出来吧。

So let's show it.

咱们得让别人看到真相到底是什么。

Let's show people what it really is.

把所有事情都摊开来讲，包括那些可能看着不舒服的部分。

Let's show all of it, including some of the stuff that might be perceived as ugly.

我不在乎。

I don't care.

我就是个普通人。

I'm just human.

我只是想呈现真实的人性，而这就是其中令人痛心的一部分。

I'm just trying to show the human experience, and this is the ugly, unfortunate part of it.

接下来两个月，这份挫败感得由我来扛着。

I'm the one that has to carry this frustration for the next two months.

我跟伍德尼克聊的时候，他态度要冷静得多。

When I spoke with Woodnik, he took a much more measured approach.

他说法院得认真考虑合理的诉求。

He says the court has to take reasonable requests into consideration.

因为如果他们不这么做，而陪审团最终判定劳拉有罪，她就有理由提出上诉，这会让整个程序变得非常漫长。

Because if they don't, and then Laura is found guilty by a jury, she could have grounds for an appeal, which would make this process much, much longer.

我觉得我们遇到的这些延期，都是非常正常的，涉及专业人士和流程，确保劳拉获得正当的法律程序。

-The delays that we've dealt with, I think, are very normal delays involving the professionals and the process and assuring that there's due process for Laura.

我觉得法院正在做它本该做的事。

I think the court's doing exactly what the court is supposed to do.

检察官也在做他们该做的事，劳拉的律师也是一位好律师，同样在履行他的职责。

Prosecutors doing exactly what they're supposed to do, as is Laura's attorney who's a good lawyer and doing what he's supposed to do.

伍德尼克说，到目前为止，这起刑事案件中出现的延期都相当常规。

Woodnik says the delays we've seen in this criminal case are all pretty standard so far.

我们甚至还没到被告方可能提出延期的阶段。

We haven't even gotten to the phase where potential delays are coming from the defendant.

会不会还有我们没见过的、更以劳拉为中心的延期情况？

Are there going to be other delays that we haven't seen yet that are more Laura centric?

而且，在陪审团组建、准备开庭审判的那天，她会不会住院？

And is she going to, on the day a jury set to impanel to start a trial, is she going to be hospitalized?

她会不会声称自己还有其他健康问题或家庭突发状况？

Is she gonna claim she's got other medical issues or family emergencies?

有可能，但那些都是明天的事，现在还没法处理，得等真发生了再说。

Maybe, but those are tomorrow problems, and we're not going to be able to deal with them until that happens.

到时候法院自然会根据情况做出相应处理。

And the court is going have to deal with those accordingly when they happen.

伍德尼克跟踪劳拉·欧文斯这个案子已经快五年了，连他自己都说，他手里的案子快撑不住了。

Woodnik has been navigating the Laura Owens saga for nearly five years, and even he admits he's running low on patients.

我理解大家的不满。

I get people's frustration.

说实话，斯蒂芬妮，我生气不是因为对程序不满。

And candidly, Stephanie, I'm frustrated not because I'm frustrated with the process.

我生气是因为我想赶紧翻过这一页。

I'm frustrated because I want this chapter to come to an end.

我想让这本书彻底合上。

I want the book to come to an end.

我想知道刑事程序接下来会怎样。

I want to know what's going to happen in the criminal process.

我们都想知道这个故事的结局。

We all want to know the end of the story.

但伍德尼克给我们提了个醒。

But Woodnik provided kind of a wake up call.

我也希望这事赶紧了结。

I want this to be over with too.

但我更希望它是以正确的方式结束。

But I also want it to be over with the right way.

如果劳拉想上法庭，那就去吧。

If Laura wants to go to trial, great.

去开庭吧。

Go to trial.

咱们得确保审判绝对公正，别让人觉得她没拿到该有的证据，或者没给够她额外几周的准备时间。

Let's make sure it's a very fair trial, and there's no argument that she didn't have access to all the data she needed or she needed an extra couple weeks.

如果这些安排能确保被告，比如劳拉，或者任何人获得公平审判，那法院就应该这么做。

If those sort of accommodations assure that a defendant, Laura, or anyone else gets a fair trial, then the court needs to be doing that.

而且看起来法院确实这么做了。

And it does seem like the court did that.

在播客里，大家都觉得这件事迟早要爆发。

In the podcast, everyone's kind of expecting this to come to a head.

你的播客《LoveTrapped》是实时跟进的。

Your podcast, lovetrapped, is kind of in real time.

我看过很多纪实剧，都是记录已经发生并审结的案件，那都是事后复盘了。

And I think when you watch a lot of docuseries and people documenting crimes that have happened and gone to trial, they're happening after the fact.

故事早就定型了，而你现在处在事件进行中的独特位置。

The story's already been told, and you're in this very unique situation of being in the middle of the story.

我觉得正因如此，大家才会感到有些挫败。

And I think that's why people feel some level of frustration.

在挂电话之前，伍德尼克还强调了一点：受害者坚持出庭、为正义发声，尽管这非常艰难，但真的能推动进展。

Before we hung up, Woodenick stressed one more point: that the victims themselves continuing to come to court and advocate for justice, as difficult as that can be, really does move the needle.

受害者出庭传递了一个信息：我们在这儿，我们会一直在这儿，不管发生什么都不会离开。

The victim showing up sends a message that we're here, we will be here, we will be here no matter what.

不管这次审判是在七月还是2030年十一月举行，我们都会在这儿。

Whether or not this trial goes in July or November 2030, we will be here.

我觉得格雷格和克莱顿想表达的就是这个意思。

I think that was the message that Greg and Clayton were sending.

你越认真听孩子说话，你们的关系就会越亲近。

The more you listen to your kids, the closer you'll be.

所以我们问了孩子们：你们希望父母听到什么？

So we asked kids, what do you want your parents to hear?

有时候我觉得没人真正在听我说话。

I feel sometimes that I'm not listened to.

我只希望你们能多听我说说，和我一起分析情况，引导我走向成功。

I would just want you to listen to me more often and evaluate situations with me and lead me towards success.

倾听本身就是一种爱。

Listening is a form of love.

大家可以去 sounditouttogether.org 查找资源，学习如何支持孩子，关注他们的情绪健康。

Find resources to help you support your kids and their emotional well-being at sounditouttogether.org.

网址是 sounditouttogether.org。

That's sounditouttogether.org.

本节目由广告委员会和 Pivotal 联合呈现。

Brought to you by the Ad Council and Pivotal.

大家好。

Hey there.

我是Amy Robock，这是TJ Holmes，欢迎来到我们的Amy和TJ播客。我们现在的做法正好跟度暑假相反。

Amy Robock and TJ Holmes here from the Amy and TJ podcast where we are doing the exact opposite of taking a summer vacation.

对。

Yeah.

确实没法那样做。

Can't do that.

现在世界上发生的事情实在太多了，我们不可能对这些事闭口不谈。

There's entirely too much going on in the world right now to not be talking about all this stuff.

没错。

Yes.

世界杯有 drama，反思池也有 drama，当然，还有《爱岛》里别墅泳池的 drama。

Drama at the World Cup, drama about reflecting pool, and, yes, drama at the Villa Pool on Love Island.

别忘了麦迪逊广场花园的 drama，不管是尼克斯队还是泰勒·斯威夫特引起的。

And don't forget drama at Madison Square Garden, whether it's the Knicks or Taylor Swift causing said drama.

还有大家都在追的大案要案。

Then we got all the big crime stories everybody's following.

每天早上来听我们的《晨跑》栏目，快速、亲切、全程高能，带你速览当天最重要、也最精彩的消息。

Come along with us every morning for our Morning Run, a fast paced, intimate, always engaging back and forth of the day's biggest and, yes, best headlines.

是的。

Yeah.

你还没起床，节目就已经准备好了。

It's ready before you even get out of bed.

别忘了关注《Amy 和 TJ》播客的更新。

Then keep an eye on the Amy and TJ podcast feed.

我们每天都会推出新节目，通过深入的对话带你们更进一步，有时候也会激烈争论。

We give you a steady stream of episodes daily with conversations that allow us to go deeper and, yeah, sometimes go at it.

全天候不间断，我们为你带来最新突发新闻和人人都在讨论的热点话题。

All day, every day, we have you covered with the latest breaking news and the stories everyone will be talking about.

在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客，或者你常用的任何播客平台收听 Amy 和 TJ 的节目。

Listen to Amy and TJ on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

如果你想了解新闻里那些案件背后的法医科学，那你一定不能错过《Body Bags》。

If you're seeking to try to understand the forensic science behind these cases that we hear about in the news, body bags is where you need to turn.

内容纯粹，没有废话。

There's no fluff.

我们会深入剖析每一个法医细节。

We do a deep dive into the forensics.

收听 Joseph Scott Morgan 主持的《Body Bags》，就在美国排名第一的播客平台 iHeart。

Listen to body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan on America's number one podcast network, iHeart.

打开免费的 iHeart 应用，搜索 Joseph Scott Morgan 主持的《Body Bags》，立即开始收听。

Open your free iHeart app and search body bags with Joseph Scott Morkin and start listening.

这份宣言里满是那些优美动人的句子和段落，讲的都是启蒙时代的理想，但它背后也有着不那么光彩的历史。

The declaration, which is full of these beautifully rendered, you know, sentences and paragraphs about enlightenment ideals, does also have this darker history to it.

为什么了解《独立宣言》和美国革命中那些黑暗的一面这么重要？

Why is it important for the darker part of the declaration of independence and the American revolution?

为什么美国人有必要知道这些事？

Why is it important that Americans know about it?

如果我们不了解国家建立时的完整背景，就不可能真正理解今天这个国家所处的境况。

Well, if we don't understand the full context in which our nation was founded, we won't understand the full context in which our nation now finds itself.

我是丽贝卡·纳格尔。

I'm Rebecca Nagel.

埃查德。

Echard.

这是《第一美洲》

This

一个真实的故事，讲述美利坚合众国是如何诞生的，以及我们是怎么走到今天的。

is First America, the true story of how The United States came to be and how we got to this present moment.

在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客或你常用的播客平台收听《第一美洲》。

Listen to First America on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

就在我们发布上一期节目的时候，听到了一些新消息。

Right as we pressed publish on the last episodes, we heard some news.

这事儿跟迈克·马尔卡奇尼在加州的家庭暴力限制令案件有关。

It's about Mike Maracchini's domestic violence restraining order case in California.

你可能还记得，劳拉对迈克申请的家庭暴力限制令，被旧金山的一名法官驳回了。

As you'll remember, Laura's DVRO against Mike was dismissed by a San Francisco judge.

但劳拉原本打算对这个决定提出上诉。

But Laura planned to appeal that decision.

她的上诉截止日期是 2026 年 6 月 29 日。

She had until 06/29/2026.

但就在最后一刻，她申请了延期，而且获得了批准。

But at the last minute, she requested an extension, and it was granted.

现在，她有到 7 月 29 日为止的时间来上诉，推翻这个限制令的驳回决定。

She now has until July 29 to appeal the DVRO dismissal.

关于劳拉父母最近提交的破产申请，我们有了不少新进展。

As for Laura's parents' most recent bankruptcy filing, we have quite the update.

罗恩和简去年申请了破产，目的是为了避免房子被银行收回拍卖。

Ronn and Jan filed for bankruptcy last year, in an effort to keep their house from being foreclosed on.

但他们没有完成必要的财务文件，也没有按时支付要求的款项。

But they didn't complete their financial paperwork or make the required payments.

因此，他们的破产申请被驳回，房子定于2026年5月26日进行拍卖。

Because of that, their bankruptcy filing was dismissed, and their house was set to go to auction on 05/26/2026.

但在截止日期前几天，他们再次申请破产，试图保住自己的房子。

But a few days before that, they filed for bankruptcy again to try to save their home.

这次他们选择自行辩护，也就是没有请律师。

This time they filed pro se, meaning without an attorney.

法官要求他们带上证明材料，以证明他们符合重新申请的条件。

The judge asked them to come with documentation to prove they qualified for the refiling.

Ronn和Jan表示他们会照办。

Ronn and Jan said they would.

这就是我们上次破产听证会结束时的情况。

That's where we left off, at the last bankruptcy hearing.

所以，你打算完成原本应该在

So do you intend to complete your schedules due

二十六号提交的财务清单吗？

on the twenty sixth?

我是有这个打算的。

I would like to.

如果那个时间不合适，我这边是确定要做的。

If that timing doesn't work out, I am committed to this.

我们这边是确定要做的。

We are committed to this.

结果罗恩和简只坚持了一周左右。

It turns out Ronn and Jan were only committed for about a week.

听证会六天后，他们提交了自愿撤诉动议，撤销了第十一章破产申请，理由是没能请到律师。

Six days after that hearing, they filed a motion for voluntary dismissal of their Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing, citing they were unable to obtain counsel.

然后在七月一日，罗恩和简通过线上方式出席，继续他们的破产听证会。

Then, on July 1, Ronn and Jan appeared virtually to continue their bankruptcy hearing.

下午好。

Good afternoon.

我先核对一下出庭人员，没人缺席。

I'll take the appearances and the No one's better.

我们先从债务人开始。

Let's first start with the debtors.

我本来以为这会是一场枯燥的破产撤案听证，满嘴专业术语，结果完全猜错了。

I expected some boring bankruptcy dismissal, full of technical jargon, and boy, was I wrong.

幸运的是，这场听证的录音后来被上传到了YouTube。

Luckily, a recording of this hearing was posted on YouTube.

主持法官玛德琳·万斯利一开场就掷地有声。

The presiding judge, the honorable Madeleine Wansley, started it off with a bang.

上一次听证时，我听到了不少关于小马、GoFundMe账户，以及其他可能未申报资产的信息。

-At the last hearing, I heard a lot of information about ponies and GoFundMe accounts and other potentially nondisclosed assets.

在这场听证会开始前，美国的代理律师

Before this hearing, the attorney for the U.

政府

S.

破产管理人詹妮弗·贾米亚诺，还有罗恩和简三人之前都达成了共识，打算撤回报备的破产申请。

Trustee, Jennifer Giamo, and Ronn and Jan had all come to an agreement that their bankruptcy filing would be dismissed.

但等他们真到了法庭上，万斯利法官根本不同意这么处理。

But when they got to court, Judge Wansley wasn't having it.

她已经考虑到了其他潜在资产，比如为罗恩的医疗问题设立的GoFundMe账户。

She'd taken into consideration the other potential assets, like the GoFundMe account that was started for Ronn's medical issues.

破产法官发现了一些让她觉得不对劲的出入。

The bankruptcy judge saw some discrepancies that didn't sit right with her.

让我担心的是，如果我们在过去一年里通过GoFundMe账户收到了这么大一笔钱，这看起来是一笔可能为了债权人利益而被追回的资产。

I guess what concerned me was if we had this large sum of money within the last year for the GoFundMe account, that that seems to be an asset that could be potentially recovered for the benefit of creditors.

简试图淡化GoFundMe账户的影响，这个账户目前仍在运行，截至目前已筹集了近13.7万美元。这是简对法官的回答。

Jan tried to minimize the GoFundMe, which is still active, and to date, has collected nearly $137,000 This was Jan's reply to the judge.

关于那个众筹平台，我相信你们已经收到了通知，因为网上有人对我们进行抹黑。

And with regard to the GoFundMe, which I'm sure you were notified by the online smear campaign that has gone against us, that

让我打断一下，法院只审查提交给法院的材料。

So so let let me just interrupt you to say that that the court only reviews what is filed with the court.

我知道你刚才提到了网上有人抹黑。

So I know you referenced an online smear campaign before.

但我真的不知道你在说什么。

I really have no idea what you're talking about.

我手头只有这些。好的。

All I have Okay.

我能掌握的信息，仅限于案卷里记录的内容，以及大家在法庭上公开陈述的情况。

All I have is what what has been filed on the docket and what people tell me in open court.

法官绝不会私下出去做背景调查，去打听当事人的私事，这样做是违反职业道德的。

I do not independently go out and it would be unethical for this judge or any judge to go out and do background research on people and learn about them.

所以请大家明白，法院就是这样运作的。

So just just so you know, that's that's the way the court will operate.

我不是那个意思。

I I and and I'm not suggesting that.

我知道网上有人散布不实信息，说他们把材料发到了你们办公室。

I'm I know that the the smear campaign people have said online that they have sent information to your office.

所以我不清楚你们有没有收到。

So I don't know whether you've received it or not.

我知道他们也把材料发给了美国受托人办公室。

I know that they also sent it to the US trustee's office.

至于那个GoFundMe，我之前说过，是2024年发起的。

But with regard to the GoFundMe, as I mentioned before, it was started in 2024.

到2025年5月左右，基本就花光了。

It was all virtually exhausted by, I would venture to say, by May 2025.

问题是这样。

Here's the thing.

Ronn的GoFundMe页面现在还在运行，还在接受捐款。

Ronn's GoFundMe is still active and accepting donations.

我算了下公开捐款的数额，过去一年他们收到了将近六千美元。

I did some quick math on the public contributions, and in the last year, they received almost $6,000.

我觉得简以为自己能靠嘴皮子把这笔收入瞒过去。

I think Jan believed that she could talk her way out of not reporting that income.

但法官决心要把这个问题查清楚。

But the judge was intent on pushing the issue.

破产申请前短期内发生的资金转移确实需要申报，如果你没说明这些钱的用途，那就成问题了。

Well, transfers that are made shortly before the bankruptcy filing do have to be disclosed, that it's problematic if you did not disclose the use of those funds.

我命令你把与这笔资金相关的所有记录提供给杰莫女士，让她清楚你前一次案件和本次案件之前的具体财务状况，以便她的办公室和法院全面了解情况，再决定是否驳回案件。

I'm gonna order and direct that you provide the records concerning that particular issue to miss Jaimo so that she has an understanding as to the financial circumstances immediately preceding your prior case and this case so that we she, her office, and the court has a full understanding of the circumstances before the case is dismissed.

沃斯利法官没有直接驳回案件，而是要求他们提供完整的财务明细。

Instead of issuing a dismissal, Judge Wansley wanted a full accounting of their finances.

我真正要求的是全面梳理GoFundMe账户的资金流水：收到了多少、花掉了多少、具体花在了哪里。

I'm really asking for a full accounting of the GoFundMe account, the monies that were received and the monies that were spent and how they were spent.

所以，就是那些常规信息，你知道的，你到底收到了哪些钱？

And so, you know, the the whole typical information, you know, what did you get?

你是什么时候拿到这笔钱的？

When did you get it?

这笔钱你用在哪儿了？

What did you do with it?

你的付款凭证呢？

Where are your receipts?

明白了。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

所有细节都要说清楚：谁、什么、何时、何地、为何以及如何。

The who, what, when, where, why, and how.

清楚了吗？

Okay?

好的。

Okay.

但再说一遍，这些都发生在申请第13章破产之前，如果我们当时有那些资金，根本不需要申请第13章或第11章。

But again, that was all prior to the chapter 13 that if we'd had those funds, we wouldn't have needed to file chapter 13 or chapter 11.

明白了。

Okay.

我明白你的意思。

Well, I I hear what you're saying.

有些资金转移，哪怕过了很久，还是可以追回的。

Some transfers can be recovered despite the passage of time.

这个案子是2026年5月22日提交的，如果在特定时间段内有过资金转移，美国受托人办公室可能会关注。

This case was filed on 05/22/2026, and it could be that if there were funds that were transferred in a particular period, they would be of interest to the US trustee's office.

明白吗？

Okay?

看来法官对简这么强硬，其中一个原因是因为法院之前要求提供文件，但这些材料并没有提交给美国受托人珍妮弗·吉亚莫。

It seems like one of the reasons the judge was so firm with Jan is because the court previously asked for documentation, and it wasn't submitted to The US Trustee, Jennifer Giamo.

我知道我之前让你发邮件给吉亚莫女士。

I know that I had directed you to email to Ms.

吉亚莫女士要求的材料，我不确定是否已经提交了。

Giamo the information required, and I don't know if that's occurred.

我认为在本案被驳回之前，这些材料必须提交。

I believe that that should happen before this case is dismissed.

我们需要全面了解您的财务状况。

I think we should have a fulsome understanding of your financial circumstances.

所以我再次下令，要求您将这些信息提供给吉亚莫女士的办公室。

So I'm again, I'm gonna order and direct that you provide that information to miss Jammo's office.

所有您本该提交的材料，都必须完整提供。

Everything that you're supposed to be providing, you need to provide.

无论那个办公室要求了什么，我都命令您配合并如实提交给她。

So whatever that office has asked for, I'm ordering and directing you to cooperate and to provide that to her.

法官大人，我们

Your honor, we

无法完成这项要求。

were unable to do that.

我原本以为我们能请到律师帮忙。

I had presumed that we would be able to get counsel to help us.

我从来就没打算自己出庭打官司。

This was never my intention to file pro se.

我很清楚第11章破产程序有多复杂，作为自诉人根本应付不来，这也不是我们的初衷。

And I'm very aware of the fact that chapter 11 is a very exhaustive chapter to go into as a pro se, litigant, and that was not our intent.

我们的本意是请到律师，但一直没能找到合适的律师。

Our intent was to be able to get counsel, and we have been unable to obtain counsel.

您最了解自己的财务状况，所以您应该

Well, you you know your financial circumstances best, and so you should

能整理出这些信息，把相关文件收集起来交给吉阿莫女士。

be able to reconstruct that information and gather those records to provide it to Ms.

吉阿莫。

Giamo.

但法官，没有足够专业的律师协助，我真的做不到。

But, your honor, I'm unable to without without adequate counsel.

如果我能自己搞定这些，我们早就自己继续下去了。

If if I had been able to do that on my own, we would have continued this on our own.

没错。

Right.

但这个案子是你自己申请的。

But you filed this case.

你申请了第十一章破产。

You filed a chapter 11 bankruptcy case.

你还没付清全部的申请费。

You have not yet paid the full filing fee.

一旦进入本法院的管辖范围，你就必须遵守《美国破产法》及其所有规定和要求。

And once you're under the jurisdiction of this court, you have to abide by The United States bankruptcy code and its rules and requirements.

我要提醒你，破产法最重要的一点就是要求绝对透明。

And I'll tell you one of the most important things about the bankruptcy code is it requires absolute transparency.

法院担心的是，这里的财产清单和声明，跟之前的相比，似乎缺乏透明度。

And that's the concern of the court is that the schedules and statements here compared to the prior schedule statements seem to indicate a lack of transparency.

所以作为这个体系的参与者，你有相应的责任，我现在是要求你履行这些责任。

And so as a participant in the system, you have certain obligations, and I'm directing you to fulfill those obligations.

你不能一边申请破产，享受破产带来的保护，却不履行相应的义务。

It's not appropriate to file bankruptcy and park in bankruptcy and obtain the protections of bankruptcy and yet not fulfill the obligations.

这就是你的责任。

And so, that is your obligation.

你申请了这个案子。

You filed this case.

你承担了这些职责，现在我要求你配合。

You undertook these duties and responsibilities, and now I'm directing you to cooperate.

我听说破产法庭的法官和律师都是认真的。

I've heard that the judges and lawyers in bankruptcy court don't mess around.

这是我第一次真正体会到这句话的意思。

This was my first time really seeing what that means.

你之前已经被命令提供这些材料了。

You were previously ordered to provide them.

您还没提供这些材料。

Haven't provided them.

从法院的角度来看，您目前属于藐视法庭，女士。

Where the from where the court sits, you're currently in contempt, ma'am.

我明白了。

Oh, I understand.

我明白了。

I understand.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

还有其他问题或疑虑吗？

Any other questions or concerns?

我没有了。

None for me.

好的。

Okay.

谢谢。

Thank you.

值得一提的是，除了刚开始报名字之外，在整个庭审过程中，Ron只说了那几句话。

It's worth mentioning that those are the only words Ron spoke during the whole proceeding, aside from announcing his name at the very beginning.

他听起来好像不想

He sounds like he doesn't want to

是

be

在

there.

不过，简还有问题想问法官。

But Jan has another question for the judge.

不好意思。

I'm sorry.

你有什么问题吗？

Did you have a question?

foreclosure 的日期定在七月二十八号，我已经向贷款方提交了一些异议，我想聘请律师来处理这次 foreclosure 的事宜。

Well, the foreclosure date has been set for July 28, I have filed some objections with the lender, and I would like to hire an attorney to handle the foreclosure.

所以我就在想这些日期是怎么安排的。

So I'm just wondering about how those dates coincide.

既然日期定在八月六号，我……

So with this date being set of August 6, I'm I'm a

关于时间重叠的部分，我有点没太听明白。

little unclear about the the overlapping.

你的问题我确实没太理解。

I I don't really understand your question.

我是说，法院已经定在8月6号开庭了，而你刚才说7月28号就要进行法拍。

I mean, the court has set a hearing on August 6, and you said you have a foreclosure on July 28.

所以我猜我可能没搞懂你到底想问什么。

So I bet I don't understand what your question is.

你陈述了一些事实，但是

You stated facts, but

那问题到底是什么？

what is the question?

问题是，如果听证会定在8月6日，这会对7月28日的止赎产生什么影响？

The question is, if the hearing is set on August 6, how does that impact foreclosure on the twenty eighth?

我来试着解释一下，简想知道她的房子会不会因此免于被止赎。

To try and translate, Jan is asking if their home will be protected from foreclosure.

她申请破产后，自动冻结令就生效了。

When they filed for bankruptcy, an automatic stay was put in place.

这会立即暂停所有债务催收、诉讼和止赎程序。

It instantly freezes all debt collection, lawsuits, and foreclosures.

这个冻结令原本延长到7月1日，也就是今天听证会的日期。

That stay was extended until July 1, the date of this hearing.

我明白你的意思了，你是想知道法院会不会愿意继续延长目前临时生效的冻结令。

I see what you're asking is if the court would be inclined to extend the state that's temporarily in place.

对。

Correct.

你是在问这个吗？

Is that what you're asking?

好的。

Okay.

对。

Correct.

请允许简·莫帮我们理清这些情况。

Miss Jan Mo to allow us to to sort through all of all of this.

简·莫女士，您有什么看法吗？

Miss Jan Mo, do you have an opinion?

是的，法官大人。

Yes, your honor.

美国受托人反对延长中止令。

The US trustee objects to the extension of the stay.

这正是美国受托人认为本案属于恶意申请、滥用程序的原因之一。

I mean, this is precisely one of the reasons that the US trustee considered the case to be filed in bad faith and an abuse of the system.

我认为债务人已经拖欠了19.1万美元的房贷欠款。

I believe that the debtors have not paid their mortgage to the tune of a $191,000 of arrearages.

他们在寻求中止令的好处时，却未履行破产法院要求的义务，因此不具备获得中止令的资格。

And while they are seeking the benefit of the stay, they haven't complied with the obligations of the bankruptcy court to justify getting the benefit of the stay.

好的。

Alright.

您需要回应吗？

Do you wish to respond?

简接下来花了三分钟解释，他们一直在努力联系房贷公司，但一直搞不清楚该找谁，也得不到回复。

Jan spends the next three minutes explaining that they've been trying to get in touch with their mortgage lender, but they're having a hard time figuring out who to contact and how to get a reply.

我们真的已经努力了很久，想尽快解决这个问题，好让生活能重新走上正轨。

So we really have been trying very, very hard for a long time to get this resolved and to get something in place so that we can move our lives forward.

而且正如我所说，我们发现了一些问题，认为这些违规行为必须在 foreclosure 发生前得到解决。

And, as I say, we we have uncovered things that we feel are violations that that really need to be addressed before a foreclosure could take place.

关于你们和房贷服务商那边的情况，我确实不太方便多说。

I can't really speak to your situation with your mortgage servicer.

我觉得你们还是得继续去处理这件事，想办法联系到相关负责人，或者去合适的渠道去主张你们的权利。

I think you'll have to continue to deal with that and find a way to connect with the appropriate individuals or to assert those claims in a proper forum.

破产法庭通常不是处理这类问题的合适场所。

This is generally not that forum in bankruptcy court.

所以我只能这么回答你。

So I'll answer you that.

关于自动冻结令的效力问题，法院确实采取了非常措施，暂时延长了冻结期，让你们有机会完善相关文件。

With respect to the pendency of the automatic stay, the court did take the extraordinary step to temporarily extend that stay so that you could perfect the papers.

但不幸的是，这些手续并没有办妥。

And unfortunately, those things have not occurred.

所以，法院无法再继续延长自动冻结令了。

And so this court can no longer continue to extend the automatic stay.

法院将驳回你们提出的这项救济请求。

The court's going to deny that requested relief.

听证会最后，他们给Ronn和Jan设定了提交文件的截止日期。

They concluded the hearing by setting a deadline for Ronn and Jan to submit their paperwork.

这其中包括对GoFundMe筹款情况的完整账目明细。

That includes a full accounting of the GoFundMe.

接下来你会听到Jennifer Giamo要求进一步澄清。

You'll hear Jennifer Giamo asking for clarification.

法官大人，我只是想为记录在案明确一下，债务人需要向我们办公室提供两项材料：第一，所有GoFundMe资金的账目明细；第二，他们已知悉必须提交的所有文件。

Your Honor, just want to clarify for the record the deadline by which the debtors need to provide our office with number one, the accounting of all the GoFundMe funds and two, all of the documents that they are on notice of being required to produce.

我建议把截止日期定在7月10日星期五之前，这样我在开会前就有足够的时间审阅这些文件。

May I suggest that the deadline be set no later than Friday, July 10, because that gives me sufficient opportunity to review the documents before the meeting.

这距离这周五还有一周，我觉得应该

That is a week from this Friday, which seems like it should

有足够的时间。

be a sufficient amount of time.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Alright.

各方还有别的事吗？

Anything further from the parties?

没有。

No.

好的。

Alright.

没有其他要提的了

Nothing from

美国受托人这边也没有。

the US trustee.

谢谢法官。

Thank you, your honor.

好的。

Alright.

谢谢。

Thank you.

休庭。

We're adjourned.

祝你好运。

Good luck.

正如你们所听到的，七月对罗恩和简来说会很难熬。

As you heard, the month of July is going to be a bumpy ride for Ronn and Jan.

他们必须在7月10日前提交关于GoFundMe的文件。

They have until July 10 to submit paperwork about the GoFundMe.

多年来，网友一直要求他们公开这个筹款项目的详细情况。

Internet detectives have been clamoring for transparency around that fundraiser for years.

而且，他们的房子预计将在2026年7月再次被拍卖抵债。

Plus, their house looks like it will be up for foreclosure auction again at the July 2026.

他们还要在8月6日回到万斯利法官的法庭出庭。

And they're due back in Judge Wansley's court on August 6.

这个故事里被忽略的一个关键问题是，罗恩的健康状况到底如何。

One of the questions that's gotten lost in this story is the true status of Ronn's health.

根据那个众筹页面的说法，他有严重的健康问题：帕金森病、癌症，还有心脏方面的问题。

According to the GoFundMe, he has severe health problems: Parkinson's, cancer, and heart issues.

在最近几次破产听证会上，他的声音听起来非常虚弱。

In many of the latest bankruptcy hearings, he sounds very frail.

但在7月4日，也就是我录制这一集的前几天，罗恩·欧文斯在脸书上发了一条充满爱国情怀的动态。

Then on July 4, just a few days before I recorded this episode, Ronn Owens posted this patriotic message on Facebook.

大家好。

Hey, guys.

我和我朋友希望你们今天过得很愉快。

My buddy here and I are hoping you are enjoying the fourth of July.

你正在做什么呢？

What you're doing?

是不是出去吃烧烤了？

Maybe going out at a barbecue?

也许去看场棒球赛？

Maybe going to a baseball game?

支持巨人队？

Go Giants?

也许就待在家里看电视，想想这还是世界上最好的国家。

Maybe just sitting back and watching TV and remembering this is the greatest country on Earth.

美国独立250周年快乐。

Happy two fifty USA.

我录这段的时候，劳拉还住在她父母家的小屋里，那房子可能就要保不住了。

At the time I'm recording this, Laura's still living in the casita at her parents' house, the one they might lose.

劳拉这个夏天也得做几个重大决定，因为八月底她又要出庭，参加另一次和解听证会，讨论她的认罪协议，希望能解决那14项重罪指控。

And Laura's also got some big decisions to make this summer, because at the end of August, she'll be due in court again for another settlement conference to discuss her plea deal and hopefully come to a resolution on her 14 felony counts.

如果一切按计划进行，我会和克莱顿一起亲自去亚利桑那州的法院现场。

If that all goes to plan, I'll be there in person at the courthouse in Arizona with Clayton.

之后我会再向你们汇报。

You'll hear from me after that.

当然，除非劳拉另有打算。

Unless, of course, Laura has something else in mind.

非常感谢大家的收听。

Thank you so much for listening.

请务必在 Apple Podcasts、iHeartRadio 应用、Spotify 或你常用的播客平台上关注 Love Trapped。

Please be sure to follow lovetrapped on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

也请给我们留个评论。

And please leave us a review.

给五星好评能帮更多人找到这个节目。

A five star rating helps others find this show.

非常感谢大家的支持。

We're grateful for your support.

如果你想联系《Love Trapped》团队，或者有类似的故事想分享，可以发邮件到 lovetrappedpodgmail dot com。

If you would like to reach out to the Love Trapped team or have a similar story to share, email us at lovetrappedpodgmail dot com.

邮箱地址是 lovetrappedpodgmail dot com。

That's lovetrappedpodgmail dot com.

《爱的陷阱》由玻璃播客制作，隶属于玻璃娱乐集团，与iHeart播客合作推出。

Love Trapped is a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group in partnership with iHeart Podcasts.

本节目由南希·格拉斯、安德里亚·加宁和本·费特曼担任执行制片人。

This show was executive produced by Nancy Glass, Andrea gunning, and Ben Fetterman.

节目文案、制作及主持均由我，斯蒂芬妮·杨负责。

Written, produced, and hosted by me, Stephanie Young.

我们的故事编辑是莫妮克·拉博尔德。

Our story editor is Monique Laborde.

本集的制作人是悉尼·格拉杜。

Producer on this episode is Sydney Gladue.

额外制作支持由托德·甘兹提供。

Additional production support from Todd Ganz.

我们的制作经理是克里斯汀·马尔基里。

Our production manager is Kristen Malkyrie.

在iHeart播客方面，艾莉·佩里担任本节目的执行制片人。

For iHeart Podcasts, Allie Perry was our executive producer.

音频剪辑和母带处理由Anna McClain负责。

Audio editing and mastering by Anna McClain.

Tanner Robbins和Matt Del Vecchio提供了额外的剪辑支持。

Additional editing support by Tanner Robbins and Matt Del Vecchio.

感谢我们的配音演员Olivia Hewitt。

Thank you to our voice actor Olivia Hewitt.

本播客是在Crybaby Media的Dani Passman和Leb Abramov的协作下开发的。

This podcast was developed in collaboration with Dani Passman and Leb Abramov at Crybaby Media.

《Love Trapped》的主题曲由奥利弗·贝恩斯创作。

The lovetrapped theme is composed by Oliver Baines.

音乐素材由 MIBE Music 提供。

Music library provided by MIBE Music.

特别感谢凯丽·利伯曼、威尔·皮尔逊、杰西卡·克莱因切克、阿里·坎托，以及整个 iHeart Podcasts 团队。

A special thanks to Carrie Lieberman, Will Pearson, Jessica Kreinchek, Ali Cantor, and the entire iHeart Podcasts team.

想收听更多 iHeart 出品的播客，欢迎前往 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple Podcasts，或者你平时收听播客的任何平台。

And for more podcasts from iHeart, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

嘿，各位《波特兰迪亚》的粉丝们。

Hey, Portlandia fans.

我是凯莉·布朗斯坦和弗雷德·阿米森。

Carrie Brownstein and Fred Armisen here.

九十年代的梦想，现在以播客的形式复活了。

The dream of the nineties is alive in podcast form.

我们推出了《波德兰迪亚：重看版》，这档全新的播客里，我们会一集一集地重温《波特兰迪亚》的所有内容，剖析搞笑桥段，深入聊聊我们那些经典角色，还会揭开制作背后的秘密。

We're launching Podlandia AO Rewatch, our brand new podcast where we revisit every episode of Portlandia together, breaking down sketches, going deep on our iconic characters, and pulling back the curtain on how it all got made.

我们还会邀请

And we'll also be joined by the

那些曾参与这部剧制作的人

people who helped bring it all

一起参与。

to life.

包括特邀嘉宾、合作伙伴和朋友们，比如导演乔纳森·克莱塞尔、真正的市长凯尔·麦克劳克林、传奇音乐人艾米·曼，还有更多人。

Guest stars, collaborators, and friends, including director Jonathan Kreisel, the mayor himself, Kyle McLaughlin, legendary musician Amy Mann, and many more.

凯尔现在要

Kyle is going for

开始表演了。

it here.

你完全是即兴发挥的，不只是台词，还有一首歌

You fully improvised not just words, but a song

关于。嗯，我还以为你们都要写首歌呢。

about Well, I thought you were all gonna write a song.

我记得你当时是这么想的。

I remember you thinking that.

去iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts，或者你平时听播客的任何平台，搜索Podlandia AO重看版。

Listen to Podlandia, AEO rewatch on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

大家好呀。

What's up, fam?

我是体育记者阿里·钱伯斯。

I'm sports journalist Ari Chambers.

嗨。

Hey.

大家最近怎么样？

What's up, y'all?

我是萨姆·杰伊。

It's your girl, Sam Jay.

我们是《人人都看女子体育》这档新播客的主持人，由Together和iHeart女子体育联合推出。

And we're the host of everyone watches women's sports, a new podcast from together and iHeart women's sports.

我们会深入解析最热门的体育新闻。

We're breaking down the biggest headlines.

大坂直美表现太出色了。

Naomi Osaka showing out.

给你点赞，大坂直美。

Outs to you, Naomi.

那些刷屏的精彩瞬间。

The viral moments.

我一直在关注K'Shaun Rock的拳击生涯。

I've been obsessed with K'Shaun Rock's boxing journey.

她状态真不错。

She looks good.

她的组合拳干净利落。

Her combos are swift.

还有女子体育圈里大家都在热议的故事。

And the stories everyone's talking about across women's sport.

因为确实人人都在看女子体育。

Because everyone watches women's sports.

收听《人人都在看女子体育》这个播客。

Listen to everyone watches women's sports.

在iHeartRadio应用里就能听到。

From the iHeartRadio app.

还有Apple Podcasts上也都有。

Apple Pod casts,

或者在你听播客的任何平台。

or wherever you get your podcast.

我是尼克·塔图罗。

I'm Nick Taturo.

你可能通过《纽约重案组》、《最长的一码》或者斯派克·李的《黑色党徒》认识我。

You probably know me from NYPD Blue, The Longest Yard, or Spike Lee's Black Plansman.

在我的新播客《尼克·塔图罗的幸福速递》里，我会给每位新嘉宾送披萨。

And on my new podcast, Delivering Happiness with Nick Taturo, I deliver pizza to a new guest.

我跟从塞斯·罗林斯到比尔·伯尔，把这块蛋糕分给了大家。你拿着我的腰带想干嘛？

I've shared a slice with everyone from Seth Rollins What are you doing with my belt?

再到比尔·伯尔。

To Bill Burr.

我觉得我从来没遇到过像我这么疯的人。

I don't think I've ever met somebody so exactly out of their mind as I am.

现在我们还请到了更多超棒的嘉宾，包括约翰·多托罗。

And now we even have more great guests coming up, including the great John Dotturro.

这个名字叫幸福。

It's called happiness.

传递幸福。

Delivering happiness.

还有好多好多嘉宾。

And many, many more.

打开免费的iHeartRadio应用，搜索《Nick Dotturro传递幸福》，现在就开始收听。

Open your free iHeartRadio app, search delivering happiness with Nick Dotturro, and listen now.

我是切尔西·汉德勒，来自《亲爱的切尔西》节目。

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea.

每周新闻都变得更糟，世界也变得更加疯狂，而雅梅卡就在这里，直接告诉那些该负责的人：问题出在你们身上。

Every week, the news gets worse, the world gets crazier, and Yamaneka is here to tell whoever's responsible, you're the problem.

你知道我刚发现悉尼·斯威尼是谁了吗？

Do you know I just found out who Sydney Sweeney was?

如果他身边有一堆女人，那我也应该有一堆男人。

If he got a bunch of women, then I should have a bunch of men.