104. 布赖顿边缘艺术节播客第1期（与亚历克斯、保罗和莫兹合作）

但作为喜剧演员，压力非常大。

But as a comedian, it's very stressful.

上台前，你会紧张。

Before you go into a show, you're nervous.

你会出汗。

You sweat.

没有什么比紧张的汗水更特别的了。

And there's nothing like nervous sweat.

这味道很难闻。

It stinks.

说实话吧。

Let's face it.

这气味充满了恐惧。

It stinks of fear.

这气味是一种对被拒绝的恐惧。

It stinks of sort of the fear of rejection.

是的。

Yeah.

这是一种非常强大且危险的气味。

And that's that's a very powerful and dangerous odor.

那么这件恶心的西装现在在哪呢，莫兹？

And so this this suit what where is this disgusting suit now, Moz?

它挂在我的衣橱里。

It's hanging up in my wardrobe.

我已经洗了大约五次，但气味仍然非常刺鼻。

I have washed it about five times, but the the smell is still quite rancid.

所以有一天。

So one day.

我觉得这件西装因为里面滋生的细菌，已经发展出了自己的生命，某种有感知力的生命。

I thought that the suit because of all of the, you know, the bacteria which had developed within the suit, I thought it had developed its own life, its own sort of sentience sort of life.

实际上，通过西装背部的主缝线以及裤子的缝线，已经形成了一个神经系统。

It has actually through the main stitching down the back of the suit and in the trousers of the suit formed nervous system.

这是一个神经系统吗？还是一个神经系统？

An is that a nervous system or a nervous system?

一个神经系统。

A nervous system.

这意味着它是一个非常紧张的系统吗？

Does it mean it's a system that's very nervous?

是的。

Yes.

所以它就像是，哦，我是一套衣服吗？

So it's like, oh, am I a suit?

我不知道。

I don't know.

哦，我害怕。

Oh, I'm scared.

就是这样。

Like that.

就是这样。

Exactly like that.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

谢谢，亚历克斯。

Thanks, Alex.

亚历克斯。

Alex.

那么，我们是否应该试着把话题拉回正常状态，还是继续傻下去？

So let's shall we try and bring this back down to sort of normality, should we just keep being stupid?

这其实取决于听众想要什么。

It depends what what what the listeners want, really.

我们可以谈谈喜剧以及我们应该经历的过程，也可以直接说些傻话、开些玩笑。

We can talk about comedy and the process that we should go through, or we can just say some silly things and make some jokes.

太好了。

Sweet.

我觉得这可能是两者的结合，但我猜我的大多数听众其实只想听我们说一大堆愚蠢的废话。

I I think it's probably a combination of the two, but I imagine most of my listeners really want us just to say lots of stupid nonsense, really.

但我们应该在其中加入一些真正的事实。

But we should sort of add some actual facts into that.

我们是谁？

Who are we?

对。

Right.

好的。

Okay.

我们是谁？

Who are we?

我面前的这些人是谁？

Who are these people I have in front of me?

保罗说我们是在一个喜剧课程上认识的。

Paul was saying that we met each other on a comedy course.

在英国，他们确实有喜剧课程。

They actually do comedy courses in The UK.

我认为在很多其他国家这并不常见。

I don't think that's very common in many other countries.

亚历克斯？

Alex?

我们参加这些课程并不是为了获得什么资格。

The courses that we don't qualifications for doing the courses.

你不会得到学位、硕士学位、博士学位或任何类似的东西。

You don't get a degree or a master's or a PhD or anything like that.

那你能得到什么？

What do you get?

这主要是个工作坊形式的活动。

It's it's mostly well, it's kind of a workshop.

大家围坐成一圈，讨论一些想法。

You you sit around in a circle and you talk through some ideas.

主要是为了提升表演时的自信心。

It's it's mainly about building confidence for performing.

无论课程持续多久，比如八周，最后都会有一个展示环节，你们要把整个课程中写的所有材料在观众面前表演出来，希望观众能笑出来。

And then then at the end of the however long it is, eight weeks, then you perform a showcase where you all the material you've written throughout the course, you do in front of an audience, and and hopefully, they'll laugh.

明白了。

Right.

好的。

Okay.

希望他们能笑出来。

Hopefully, they will laugh.

保罗现在有话要说。

Paul has something to say now.

保罗·朗顿。

Paul Langton.

保罗·朗顿先生，绅士。

Mister Paul Langton, Esquire.

荣誉学士吗？

BA honors?

普通学士，无荣誉。

BA no honors.

普通学士，无荣誉。

BA no honors.

是的。

Yes.

这是一个学位

It's a degree

体育和英语。

in sport and English.

这对我一生非常有帮助。

It's been very useful in my life.

等一下。

Wait a minute.

你学的是体育和英语？

You did sport and English?

是的。

Yes.

那它们有没有某种结合方式？

So did they combine in some way?

是不是得一边跑步一边说话那种？

Was there some sort of, like, physical did you have to run and speak at the same time?

对。

Yes.

我确实这么做过。

I did.

我实际上选择这个专业是为了从事体育新闻行业。

I actually went into the degree to have a career in sports journalism.

但出了什么问题，保罗？

But I What went wrong, Paul?

嗯，这个专业的很大一部分都围绕着体育方面。

Well, a a lot of the degree was based around the sports side.

所以有很多体能训练，还有一门叫生物力学的课程。

So there was quite a lot of fitness, something called biomechanics.

还有很多体育科学、体育社会学和心理学的内容。

There was a lot of sports science and sports sociology and psychology.

但正如我所说，其中包含大量锻炼。

But as I said, there's quite a lot of exercise involved.

而且，显然你看不到我。

And, obviously, you can't see me.

我胖。

I'm fat.

而且

And

他没那么胖。

He's not that fat.

我是，是的。

I'm I'm Yes.

实际上，是的。

Actually, yes.

他是的。

He is.

而且我也喜欢喝啤酒，也抽烟，不幸的是，听众们，这让你在体育行业里几乎没有立足之地。

And I I also I like to I like to drink beer, and I also smoke cigarettes, which, unfortunately, believe it or not, listeners, doesn't allow you much scope within working in sports.

所以，保罗，尽管你具备体育人士的资格，但你喝酒、抽烟等生活方式意味着你已经与体育毫无关系了。

So despite the fact, Paul, that you are qualified as a sporting type of person, your lifestyle of drinking and smoking and etcetera means that you've got nothing to do with sports anymore.

你现在和体育还有任何联系吗？

Is there any kind of connection between you and sport now?

我正在想一件特别的事情。

I'm thinking about something in particular.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yes.

我是个狂热的阿森纳足球俱乐部球迷，我一直支持他们。

I am an avid avid fan of Arsenal Football Club, and I I have supported them.

我现在36岁。

I'm now 36.

我一生都在支持他们。

I've supported them all my life.

我经常去看他们比赛，他们对我来说几乎像一种信仰。

I go to watch them regularly, and they are very much almost a religion to me.

所以你是个枪手球迷。

So so you're a Gooner.

我觉得这是正确的说法。

I think that's the right term.

对吗？

Is that right?

枪手？

A Gooner?

那就是正确的称呼。

That would be the term.

是的，先生。

Yes, sir.

卢克·约翰逊，先生。

Luke Johnson, sir.

我叫汤普森，先生，您是谁？

Me Thompson, sir, who you?

卢克·约翰逊是谁？

Who's Luke Johnson?

莫兹，卢克·约翰逊到底是谁？

Moz, who's Luke who is Luke Johnson exactly?

保罗刚才说对了。

Paul just said yes.

卢克·约翰？到底谁是卢克·约翰逊？

Luke John who is the who the hell is Luke Johnson?

亚历克斯。

Alex.

我知道卢克·约翰逊是谁。

I know who Luke Johnson is.

显然，卢克真的要搬去法国了，是的。

Obviously, Luke is actually moving to France Yeah.

去定居。

To live.

等等。

Wait.

那么在哪里？

So Where?

所以卢克·约翰逊就是我们要替换成卢克·汤普森的人，用于明年的节目。

So Luke Johnson is who we've got to replace Luke Thompson for next year's show.

好的。

Okay.

那么，这个卢克·约翰逊到底是谁？

So and and who is this Luke Johnson?

他是不是那种弗兰肯斯坦式的怪物角色？比如你把我浴室里留下的所有体毛，还有那些乱七八糟的东西都收集起来了。

How have you is he kind of like a Frankenstein's monster character, someone that maybe you've collected all my my sort of my pubic hair and stuff that that's been left in the bathroom.

你收集了我在宿舍床上周围找到的灰尘。

You've collected sort of dust that you found around my my bed in the hostel that we're sleeping in.

你把所有这些东西都收集起来了。

You've collected all this stuff.

你掌握了我的DNA，然后创造了一个我的克隆体。

You've got my DNA code, you've created a kind of clone of of me.

是这样吗，保罗？

Is that right, Paul?

确实，我们有了一个卢克的克隆体。

Indeed got a clone of Luke.

而且，实际上，是时候承认真相了。

And, actually, it's time we we admitted the truth.

从法国驶来的那艘船上挂着一条标语，写着‘我们爱你，卢克’。

The boat that's arrived from France with a banner that saying we love you, Luke.

但那条标语后来又展开了一点，上面写的是‘我们爱你，卢克·约翰逊’。

It's actually been unfurled a bit further, and it says we love you, Luke Johnson.

卢克·约翰逊将会

And Luke Luke Johnson will be

在某个时候加入这个播客。

joining the podcast at some stage.

我本来以为上面写的是‘生日快乐，卢克’，但其实还有别的内容，哦，不。

I thought that it said happy birthday, Luke, but it's also it also there's another oh, no.

他们还有另一个。

They've got another one.

上面写着是的。

It says yeah.

你说得对，保罗。

You're right, Paul.

上面写着：我爱你，卢克·约翰逊。

It says, I love you, Luke Johnson.

我们爱你，

We love you,

卢克·约翰逊。

Luke Johnson.

如果你仔细想想，再看看那个主要的生日祝福横幅，他们现在也在上面写了。

If you think about it and if you look at the main happy birthday banner, they've now on that.

而且上面写着：生日快乐，卢克·约翰逊，因为我们今天早上才用DNA创造出他。

And that says happy birthday Luke Johnson because we only formed him from the DNA this morning.

所以某种程度上，今天是卢克·约翰逊的生日。

So to an effect, today is Luke Johnson's birthday.

是的。

Well yeah.

因为今天这场演出非常奇怪。

Because today was a very weird gig.

卢克·汤普森最近睡得不太好。

Luke Thompson has not been sleeping very well at the moment.

所以我说了，今天的演出相当奇怪。

So as I said, it was quite a weird performance today.

有一瞬间，我和保罗以为卢克·约翰逊逃出了克隆体，还以为他在舞台上表演呢。

And for a moment, me and Paul thought that Luke Johnson had escaped the clone, and we thought he was performing on stage.

等一下。

Wait a minute.

这事儿变得非常复杂了。

This is like getting this is very complicated.

这简直就像《盗梦空间》的剧情一样。

This is becoming like the the plot of of of inception or something.

请时刻记住，听这段内容的人，英语并不是他们的母语，他们很可能都是理性的人，不会像喜剧演员那样思考。

This bear bear in mind at all times that the people listening to this, they you know, English is not their first language, and they're probably quite reasonable people who don't think like comedians do.

喜剧演员通常心理上都有点问题。

Comedians are generally quite sick in their head.

不是身体上的问题。

Not physically.

我说的是精神层面。

I'm talking about mentally.

他们说话的方式和其他人不一样。

They don't talk in the same way as other people.

比如英国人，就算在最好的情况下，也总是带着讽刺和古怪，有着奇特的幽默感，他们说的往往不是字面意思，非常爱挖苦和调侃。

Like, British people, at the best of times, are ironic and sort of weird, and and they have a strange sense of humor, and they don't really mean what they say, and they're very sort of sarcastic and stuff.

但如果你想象一个英国喜剧演员，那就是一场诡异对话的完美配方。

But comedian imagine a British comedian, that's a recipe for weird conversation.

我这么说对吗，莫兹？还是我错了？或者我同时是对的又是错的？

Am I right, Moz, or am I wrong, or am I somehow both at the same time?

你就是两者传奇。

You're you're the legend of both.

是的。

Yeah.

不。

No.

我同意你的看法。

I agree with you.

大多数英国人其实并不说他们真正想表达的意思。

Most most British people kind of don't say what they really mean.

比如，如果有人说了‘很高兴认识你’，他们可能根本不是真心觉得高兴

Like, you know, if someone were to say, nice to meet you, they probably don't mean nice

认识你。

to meet you.

所以他们说很高兴认识你。

So they say nice to meet you.

而他们真正的意思是，其实并不怎么想认识你。

And what they mean is, like, it's not nice to meet you.

能在这里真是太好了。

It's it's great to be here.

你很少真的觉得能来这里很棒。

Rarely do you actually mean it's great to be here.

真的吗？

Really?

是的。

Yeah.

但真的是这样吗？

Really, though?

比如，如果你来到这个海滩，要是卢克·约翰逊现在突然出现，说：好了，各位。

Like, if you came down to this beat, if Luke Johnson arrived on this beach now and said, alright, everyone.

能在这里真好。

It's great to be here.

听起来像什么？

Sounds like?

那就是‘是的’的意思吗？

Is that what Yeah.

好了，女士们先生们。

Alright, ladies and gentlemen.

你好，亚历克斯。

Hello, Alex.

你好，保罗。

Hello, Paul.

你好，莫兹。

Hello, Moz.

卢克·约翰逊。

Luke Johnson.

你好。

Hello.

我是卢克·约翰逊。

I'm Luke Johnson.

很高兴能在这里。

It's great to be here.

他实际上的意思是，你好。

And what he actually means is, hello.

我是卢克·约翰逊。

I'm Luke Johnson.

这是真实的。

It's real.

我真的非常抱歉我在这里。

I really I'm really sorry I'm here.

但这不行。

But this no.

我觉得根本不是那样。

I I think it's it's not even that.

当人们说‘很高兴来到这里’时，他们只是因为想不出别的话来说才这么说的。

When people say it's great to be here, they're just saying that because they can't think of anything else to say.

等一下。

Hold on.

这是单口喜剧的套路，你想想。

This is a this is a stand up comedy thing, think.

人们经常在表演开始时说‘很高兴来到这里’。

They often people often say, it's great to be here at the beginning of a set.

比如，‘大家好，女士们先生们。’

Like, for example, hello, ladies and gentlemen.

嗯，布莱顿。

Well, Brighton.

嗯，很高兴来到这里。

Well, it's great to be here.

你说他们并不真诚。

And you're saying that they're not sincere.

他们并不是真心这么想的。

They don't really mean that.

嗯，有个老掉牙的笑话，'hack'意思是这已经被说过很多次了：他们说'在这里真好'，但其实我住的地方是沃尔瑟姆斯托。

Well well, there's an old hack joke, and hack means it's been done many times before, of they say it's great to be here, but then I'm from a location such as Walthamstow where I live.

沃尔瑟姆斯托是在伦敦东北部吗？

Walthamstow is Northeast London?

伦敦东北部。

Northeast London.

是的。

Yeah.

我真的很喜欢这个地方，但很多人并不喜欢。

I really like the location, but a lot of people don't.

我真的非常喜欢。

I I really do.

所以去沃特姆斯托看看吧。

So go and visit Walthamstow.

那是个不错的去处。

It's a nice place to go.

但他们说，能在这里真好。

But they say, it's great to be here.

社区里的人会说在这里真好，但我来自沃特姆斯托，所以无论在哪都很好。

The the community will say it's great to be here, but then I'm from Walthamstow, so it's great to be anywhere.

这就是他们说的。

So that that is what they say.

对。

Right.

好像他们在暗示，在这里真好，因为我至少不在沃特姆斯托。

As if they're they're suggesting, it's great to be here because I'm just glad I'm not in Walthamstow.

所以无论在哪都可能很好。

So it could be it would be great to be anywhere.

好的。

Okay.

对。

Right.

亚历克斯，你还有其他补充观点吗？

You got another auxiliary point to make here, Alex.

是的。

Yeah.

我只是想澄清一下。

I just wanna clarify.

沃尔瑟姆斯托是个不错的地方，所以去逛逛吧。

Walthamstow is a nice place to go, so so go along.

请一定要去参观。

Please visit visit.

什么是

What's the what's

沃特姆斯托最好的地方是什么？

the best thing about Walthamstow?

如果你要给某人建议，比如说是个西班牙人，比如一个叫何塞的，这正是我常举的另一个普通外国人的例子。

If you were gonna give someone advice, let's say it's a Spanish guy, let's say, for example, called Jose, which is what that's the example I always give in another generic foreign guy who listens to this.

他总是西班牙人。

He's always Spanish.

他叫何塞。

He's called Jose.

好的。

Okay.

你有没有听说过那个西班牙消防员和他的两个儿子的事？

Did you hear actually about the the Spanish fireman and his two sons?

没有。

No.

何塞和何塞B。

Jose and Jose b.

倒回去重放一下。

Rewind that.

如果你想了解的话，再听一遍吧。

Listen to it again if you wanna know.

删除。

Delete.

也许干脆把那段剪掉吧。

What the maybe just edit that out.

Anyway，Paul，你好像有话想说。

Anyway, Paul, you wanted to say something.

是的。

Yes.

我想对Jose说，位于伦敦东北部的沃尔瑟姆斯托最好的地方是火车站，因为那是离开沃尔瑟姆斯托最方便的方式。

I'd like to to to say to Jose that the the best part of Walthamstow in Northeast London is the train station because it's the easiest way to leave Walthamstow.

你瞧，这儿冒出的都是搞笑段子。

You see the comedy jokes that are coming out here.

这就是四个喜剧演员聚在一起会发生的事。

This is what happens when you get four comedians together.

哦，我不能再像那样坐那么久了。

Oh, I can't sit down like that anymore for a long period of time.

保罗？

Paul?

我们还有，我觉得叫虚假的陈词滥调。

We also have I think the phrase is false platitudes.

我们

We

有确切的。

have exact.

我现在开始用一些高深的词了。

I'm I'm throwing big words in now.

我感觉自己特别重要。

I'm feeling very important.

这是我学位中的英语部分。

It's the English part of my degree.

我们在舞台上说的一些话，正如亚历克斯所说，被认为是老套的。

We say things on stage that, again, are considered as as Alex said, hack.

如果我们走进一个能容纳五六十人的大房间，而像经常发生的那样，观众只有五个人，你可能会登台评论一下房间的大小。

If we go into a room, a large room that might have seats for 50 or 60 people, and we go in, as does happen far too regularly, and there's about five people in the audience, you might come on and say something to, remark upon the size of the room.

举个例子，在伦敦，我们有O2体育馆，这是伦敦最大的演唱会场地。

For argument's sake, in in London, we have, we have the 02, which is the largest concert venue in London.

它能容纳数千人。

It seats thousands.

所以，如果你走进一个空荡荡的大房间，只有五个人，你可能会登台说：‘你好，O2’或者‘你好，温布利球场’之类的话。

So if you go into a large room that's empty apart from five people, you might come on and say, hello 02 or hello Wembley Stadium or something.

你好，温布利。

Hello Wembley.

是的。

Yeah.

喊‘你好，温布利’，好像自己是个大摇滚明星，只是为了提醒大家这个房间是空的，希望能让那五个人对接下来要发生的事感觉更轻松一些。

Hello Wembley like you're a big rock star just to bring to the attention the fact that it's an empty room and hopefully make those five people feel a bit more at ease with what's gonna happen next.

好的。

Okay.

听众们，这里发生的是我们正在试图解释喜剧，这真的很难，因为我觉得吉米·卡曾经说过，如果你试图解释一个笑话，或者试图解释喜剧，保罗解释喜剧。

Listeners, what's happening here is we're now trying to explain, comedy, and that's really hard because I think Jimmy Carr once said, if you try and explain a joke or if you try and explain comedy, Paul

那就不好笑了。

It it won't be funny.

是的。

Yeah.

因为这就像解剖一只青蛙。

Because it's like it's like dissecting a frog.

播客。

Podcast.

就像这样。

It's like yeah.

就像这个播客。

Like this podcast.

这就像是解剖青蛙。

It's like dissecting a frog.

没人能学到任何东西，而青蛙却死了。

The no one really learns anything, and the frog dies.

所有喜剧演出的开场总是试图与观众建立好感。

The opening for all comedy gigs is always about trying to ingratiate yourself with the audience.

所以试图找到共同点。

So trying to find a common bond.

因为你作为陌生人走上舞台，第一件事就是试图找到你和观众之间的共同之处。

So because you're stranger on stage, you come on stage, and the first thing you try and do is find what you've got in common with the audience.

是的。

Yeah.

所以总是会问：这里有人来自沃尔瑟姆斯托吗？

So it's always like anyone here from Walthamstow.

对。

Right.

观众基本上不说话，因为他们觉得尴尬。

And the audience kind of doesn't say anything because they're embarrassed.

是的。

Yeah.

然后会发生什么？

And then what happens?

亚历克斯？

Alex?

那么，情况是怎样的？

Well, so so what's the scenario?

你说过，你好。

You you said, hello.

有谁来自

Is anyone from

你走进一个房间，也许观众们感到有点不舒服，因为房间有点热，比如说。

You come into a room that maybe the the the audience are feeling a bit uncomfortable because the room is a bit hot, let's say.

而且也许前一个表演者表现得不太好，因为他们紧张或者准备不足。

And maybe the previous act didn't do very well because they were nervous or something or they were, like, unprepared.

然后你进来了，心想：天哪。

And then you come in, you're like, oh god.

我得设法赢得这些人的认可。

I've gotta try and win these people over.

于是你说：你好。

And so you go, hello.

你好。

Hello.

你好。

Hello.

怎么了？

What is it?

比如，说‘你好，布莱顿’。

Like, hello, Brighton, for example.

我来自沃尔瑟姆斯托。

I'm from Walthamstowe.

有人来自沃尔瑟姆斯托吗？

Anyone here from Walthamstowe?

然后观众就会有点反应。

And the audience kinda goes, like that.

那接下来你该怎么办？

And then what do you do?

我觉得最重要的是先讲个笑话。

Well, I think it's important to to start with a joke.

别光做那个。

Not just do that.

别一上来就问‘有谁来自沃尔瑟姆斯托吗？’

Not just start with saying, is anyone from Walthamstow?

因为如果没有人回应，事情可能会朝任何方向发展。

Because it can go any way unless you have someone to go.

很多喜剧演员都会为两种情况做好准备。

A lot of comics prepare for either way.

如果他们得不到回应，他们就有备用的回应话术。

If if they get no response, they have an answer they can say.

如果他们得到回应，他们也有相应的回应话术。

And if they get a response, they have an answer, they can say.

好的。

Okay.

这很有条理。

It's organized.

我觉得在喜剧里，你们喜欢玩弄地区、国家不同部分、口音和方言。

I also think with comedy, you like to play with regions and parts of the country and accents and and dialects.

你们会考虑自己是在对谁表演。

Dialects, you like to think about who you're performing in front of.

一个完美的例子是，显然，我们这些喜剧演员来自伦敦，这次特地来到英格兰南海岸的布莱顿参加艺术节。

A perfect example is, obviously, we are for comedians based in London, and we've come down to the South Coast Of England to Brighton for the for the for the Fringe.

很多人可能会想，如果我们一直谈论伦敦，似乎显得很傲慢，好像我们只关心伦敦。

And a lot of people might you know, if we go on and talk a lot about London, they might think we're quite arrogant because all we want to talk about is is London.

是的。

Yeah.

因为在布莱顿，人们并不太喜欢伦敦。

Because in Brighton, they don't really like London.

就像说：不。

It's like, no.

这里是布莱顿。

This is Brighton.

这不是伦敦。

This isn't London.

我们根本不关心伦敦。

We don't care about London.

好的。

Okay.

我们之前聊过地区之类的话题。

We talked about regions and stuff.

我可以问一下吗，莫兹，你是不是想说点什么？

Can I just ask, yeah, Moz, you wanted to say something?

不用了。

No.

我本来想说，我只是想问问你们具体来自哪里。

I was I was gonna say, was just I wanna ask you guys where you actually come from.

因为听众在听的时候，可能会想：这些口音都是哪里的？

Because the listeners, as they listen to this, they might think, what are the accents here?

听众总是对人们所使用的口音感到好奇。

Listeners are always interested in learning about the accents that people have.

所以你们能简单介绍一下自己的背景吗？

So can you just tell us a little bit about your background?

你是在哪里长大的？

Where did you grow up?

你是在哪里长大的？在你看来，你的口音是什么样的？

Where'd you where where did you grow up, and what is your accent in your opinion?

莫兹？

Moz?

我一直在全国各地搬家。

I've kind of moved around the country.

我是在伯明翰长大的。

I grew up in Birmingham.

是的。

Yes.

伯明翰。

Birmingham.

伯明翰的朋友们，举个手！

Birmingham crew in the house.

位于英国的正中心。

In the right in the center of of Britain.

它的方言非常强烈，但老兄。

It's got a very kind of very strong dialect kind of but mate.

最近怎么样？

How's it going?

来自伯明翰。

From Birmingham.

是的。

Yeah.

我们就在布莱顿，对吧？

We're just down in Brighton, aren't we?

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

在海边。

By the sea.

人太多了。

It's busting.

人们总觉得伯明翰人有点笨，但其实我们不是。

It's people kind of regard Birmingham people as a bit thick, but we're not.

我们非常有教养。

We're very educated.

但是，莫兹，你有伯明翰口音吗？

But, Moz, do you have a Birmingham accent?

没有。

No.

我一生中搬过很多地方，曾经住在威尔士和南威尔士。

I've moved around all my life, so I've kind of lived in Wales and South Wales.

你会说威尔士语吗？

And You do Welsh forest?

那是什么意思？

What's that do then?

我的意思是，我一个字都没听懂。

I mean, I didn't understand a word of that.

你们呢？你们听懂了吗？

You guys, did you understand that?

没听懂。

No.

没听懂。

No.

没听懂。

No.

没听懂。

No.

我的意思是，有个有点过时的、稍微老派的笑话，说威尔士人……他们跟羊发生关系。

No one I mean, there's a kind of old fashioned slightly old fashioned joke, is that the Welsh well, they they they they they have sex with sheep.

说实话，因为威尔士根本没什么人。

Let's face it, because there aren't any people around in Wales.

羊的数量比人还多。

There's, like, more sheep than there are people.

所以这个老笑话现在有点过时了，但以前都说威尔士人喜欢和羊睡觉。

And so the old joke and it's a bit old fashioned now, but the old joke is that Welsh people like to shag sheep.

他们是羊的伴侣。

They're sheep shaggers.

他们喜欢和羊发生关系。

They like to have sex with sheep.

所以，莫兹，对不起。

So, Moz, I'm sorry.

我得问你这个问题。

I have to ask you this question.

作为一位荣誉威尔士人，他在威尔士待过一段时间。

As an honorary kind of Welsh person, he spent some time in Wales.

你有没有和羊发生过关系？

Did you ever fornicate with a sheep?

我简直不敢相信我会问这个问题。

I can't believe I'm asking this.

我不打算问，也不会深入这个话题。

I'm not gonna ask I'm not gonna go into that.

不。

No.

所以你在伯明翰，威尔士？

So you you Birmingham, Wales

是的。

Yeah.

在哪里？

Where

还有别处吗？

else?

伦敦，是的。

London Yeah.

大约十二年了，我的口音已经很淡了。

For about twelve years, and my accent's very diluted.

我其实没有很强的口音。

I don't really have kind of a very strong accent.

好的。

Okay.

我想说，各位，莫兹的发音是不是属于标准的通用发音？

I would say, wouldn't you agree, gentlemen, that Moz has a received kind of general received pronunciation?

不是吗？

No?

我觉得它带有一点伯明翰口音。

I'd I'd say it's it's got a slightly, Birmingham.

我们管伯明翰口音叫‘brummy’。

We we say brummy for for Birmingham.

它有一点点伯明翰口音的腔调。

It's got a slight brummy twang.

口音这种东西，就是你能稍微听出一点口音来。

Twang is kind of you can hear the accent slightly.

所以这就像是，你知道的，你有点伯明翰口音。

So that would be like, you know, you've got like a slight Birmingham.

但那可是相当明显的伯明翰口音吧，是不是？

That's more of that's quite a strong Birmingham accent, though, isn't it?

好的。

Okay.

但我认为你其实说的是很标准的BBC英语，Moz。

But I think you're you've got like a really I would say it's BBC English, Moz.

我觉得实际上，因为我们是在录播客，所以我稍微带了点口音。

I I think actually actually, because because we're we're on on a a podcast, I was putting on a slight accent.

听众们，你们注意到了吗？他刚才说了‘播客’这个词。

You can notice there, listeners, that he said podcast.

播客。

Podcast.

这就是Moz可能来自伦敦以北地区的一个例子，因为他说了'cast'，而不是'podcast'。

That's one example there of how Moz might be from well, not London, North Of London, because he said cast, not podcast.

在南部，我想他们会说'podcast'。

In the South, I think they would say podcast.

保罗，你是土生土长的伦敦人，对吧，老兄？

Paul, you're you're a Londoner born and bred, aren't you, mate?

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yes.

那你平时是怎么说的？

So what how would you say it?

是'podcast'还是'podcast'？

Podcast or podcast?

Podcast。

Podcast.

是的。

Yeah.

看这南北差异。

See the South North South divide.

在南方，他们说 ah。

In the South, they say ah.

在北方，他们也说 ah，比如像 bath 这样的词。

In the North, they say ah, and that's for words like bath bath.

石头。

Stone.

石头是个好例子。

Stone's a good word.

石头。

Stone.

石头或者 scone 是另一个词。

Stone or or scone is another word.

石头或司康，真的。

Stone or scone, really.

我不太了解司康。

I don't know about scone.

是的。

Yeah.

保罗会说司康，而我会说司康。

Paul would say scone, whereas I would say scone.

但你不会说‘ston’吧，对吧？

But you you wouldn't say ston, though, would you?

对于‘stone’这个词。

For stone.

没错。

Exactly.

这是一个非常特定的词。

It's it's a very specific word.

石头是石头，但scone这个词根据你来自哪里，发音却非常不同。

The stone is stone, but whereas scone or scone is very different depending where you come from.

好的。

Okay.

Scone是一种小蛋糕，你会配上奶油和……是的。

Scone is like a little cake that you eat with with cream and Yes.

类似这样的东西。

Stuff like that.

好的。

Okay.

所以我们已经讲了Moz。

So we've done Moz.

是的。

Yeah.

那我们继续吧。

So let's move on.

我们现在来谈谈Alex。

Let's do Alex now.

好的，Alex。

Alright, Alex.

那你来自哪里呢？

Where are you from then?

我出生在英格兰西南部的布里斯托尔，出生八周后就搬到了格洛斯特郡的一个小镇外的小村庄。

I'm from I was born in Bristol in the Southwest Of England, and I moved to Gloucestershire, a small village outside a town in Gloucestershire when I was eight weeks old.

我在那里一直住到19岁，然后去朴茨茅斯上大学，待了三年。

And I I lived there till I was 19, then I went away to university to Portsmouth for three years.

之后我又回家住了几年，然后在2010年初搬到了伦敦。

Then I moved back home for another couple of years, and then I moved to London at the start of 2010.

好的。

Okay.

各位，Alex的口音，你们觉得怎么样，Paul？

And, gentlemen, Alex's accent, what do you think, Paul?

我一直以为Alex是Alice？

I've always thought that Alice Alex is Alice?

Alice。

Alice.

Alice。

Alice.

Alice。

Alice.

Alice是谁？

Who is Alice?

Alice是Luke Johnson的女朋友。

Alice is Luke Johnson's girlfriend.

她是Luke Johnson的女朋友。

She's Luke Johnson's girlfriend.

哦，Alice，过来一下。

Oh, Alice, get over here.

来亲一个。

Give us a kiss.

Alex Alex是口音。

Alex Alex is accent.

我总觉得它带点米德兰或伯明翰的口音。

I I always thought it had a a Midland or a Birmingham lilt to it.

我不知道为什么，但我一直有这种感觉。

I I don't know why, but I've always felt that.

Alex，你怎么看？

Alex, what do you think?

我认为自己说的是中性口音。

I I consider myself to have a neutral accent.

但我听得出一点伯明翰口音。

But I hear a little Birmingham lilt in there.

你会的，我把自己看作自己，不是我自己，我自己。

You will I consider myself myself, not myself, myself.

我知道这种语调是什么。

I know what the the the lilt is.

这种语调是格洛斯特郡的语调。

The lilt is a Gloucestershire lilt.

他们那里的人之所以这样说话，是因为很多农民都来自格洛斯特郡。

It's a can they speak like that around there because a lot of people are farmers wearing wearing Gloucestershire.

所以他们就是这样说话的。

So that's how they speak.

所以那里有一点这种口音。

So there there's a bit of that.

但在格洛斯特郡，人们要么这样说话，要么说得非常优雅。

But we've also they they either speak like that in Gloucestershire or they speak very posh as well.

格洛斯特郡有很多上流人士，他们就是这么说话的。

There's a lot of posh people in Gloucestershire, and this is how they speak.

他们说话像女王一样。

They speak like the queen.

事实上，查尔斯王子就住在离我上学的小镇郊外不远的地方。

In fact, prince Charles lives in just out on the outskirts of the town where I went to school.

所以

So

哦，真好。

Oh, that's lovely.

这真是太好了，对吧，保罗？

That's absolutely lovely, isn't it, Paul?

是的。

Yeah.

好吧。

So okay.

你那里有种有点上流的贵族农民的混合风格。

You've got like a combination of a sort of slightly posh Posh farmer.

也许是一种有点上流的农民。

Maybe a a slightly posh farmer.

哦，你好。

Oh, hello.

是的。

Yes.

我正开着拖拉机沿着这条路行驶。

I'm just driving my tractor here down the road.

让开点，小兔子？

Get out of the way, would you, little rabbit?

不然我就压扁你。

Or I will crush you.

好的。

Right.

所以啊，保罗，那你呢，老兄？

So so, Paul, what about you then, mate?

你来自哪里？

Where are you from?

你的口音是哪里的？

What's your accent?

嗯，我是个地道的伦敦人，出生在伦敦市中心。

Well, I'm a born and bred Londoner, directly from Central London.

我出生的医院就在牛津圆环后面，那正是伦敦西区的核心地带。

I was born in a hospital that was just behind Oxford Circus, which is directly in the heart of the West End in London.

我在伦敦考文特花园地区一直住到18岁，之后去利物浦上大学，原本三年的学位居然读了七年。

I lived there until I was 18, in the Covent Garden area of London, and then I went to university in Liverpool for a three year degree that lasted seven years.

那可是另一个播客的故事了。

That's that's a whole other podcast.

所以在英格兰北部上大学时，我接触到了很多不同的口音。

So and and while at university in the North Of England, I I came into contact with a lot of different accents.

挺奇怪的是，当一群口音很重的人聚在一起时，他们的口音反而会相互中和。

And it's quite strange that when you have a a group of very strong accents, when they get together, they do dilute.

顺便说一句，我虽然是伦敦人，但曾经和一只羊发生过关系。

Also, on a on a side note, I will say that I am from London, but I have fornicated with a sheep.

哦，好的。

Oh, okay.

爱尔兰。

Ireland.

你和爱尔兰有关系。

You've got an Irish connection.

我真的相信，保罗。

I do I do do believe, Paul.

这不也是你家族或者你家族原本来自爱尔兰吗？

Isn't it part of your family or your family from Ireland originally?

是的。

Yes.

我父母都来自爱尔兰。

Both my mother and father are from Ireland.

所以我是第二代爱尔兰裔，在英国被称为假爱尔兰人。

So I'm second generation Irish, otherwise known in England as a plastic paddy.

塑料帕迪

Plastic paddy.

作为一个侮辱性术语。

As a term of insult.

爱尔兰人作为一个民族，当他们遍布全球时，似乎比其他民族更执着于自己的根源。

It's very much because, the Irish people as a nation, when they they have gone across the whole globe, but they do seem to really stick to their roots more than a of other nations.

因此，你会找到第二代甚至第三代的人，他们在宗教、爱尔兰舞蹈和特定的爱尔兰运动方面深受熏陶。

So you'll find people that are second generation, even third generation, who are very indoctrinated as far as religion and also things like Irish dancing and specific Irish sports.

他们对这些传统的信仰，甚至比真正的爱尔兰人还要坚定。

And they seem to believe in that a lot more than the actual Irish.

伦敦西北部有一个叫基尔本的地方，人们戏称它为‘基尔本郡’，仿照爱尔兰共和国的各个郡名。

There's there's a part of London in Northwest Of London called Kilburn, which is jokingly called County Kilburn as in the different counties of The Republic Of Ireland.

比如阿尔斯特、芒斯特、伦斯特、康诺特，而他们开玩笑地称基尔本为‘基尔本郡’，因为那里住着大量第二代、第三代爱尔兰后裔，但在很多方面，他们看起来比真正的爱尔兰人还要爱尔兰。

So there's like Ulster, Munster, Leinster, Connaught, and they jokingly call it County Kilbourne because a lot of the people who live there are second, third generation Irish, but in a lot of ways, they seem more Irish than than real Irish people.

我还和一只鹦鹉发生过关系。

I've also fornicated with a parakeet.