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大家好。
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
您现在收听的是卢克的英语播客，这不仅是世界上最好的播客，更是世上最棒的东西。
You're listening to Luke's English podcast, the the best not just the best podcast in the world, but the best thing in the world in general.
我想，这正是您选择收听它的原因。
And that's why you're listening to it, I suppose.
您可能已经想好了：嘿，我的生活实在太灰暗、压抑，像在一个冰冷荒凉的地方。
You've probably decided, hey, I'm gonna my life just is dark and depressing in a cold, barren place.
所以我才打开卢克的英语播客，让一切重新好起来。
That's why I'm gonna turn on Luke's English podcast and just make everything alright again.
干得漂亮。
Well, well done.
你做出了正确的选择。
You made the right decision.
在这一期节目中，我邀请到了本·费舍尔，他真是了不起，刚从伦敦赶来，坐在我面前——但可不是坐普通交通工具来的。
And in this episode, I'm joined by Ben Fisher, who amazingly is sitting in front of me after having traveled from London, but not by ordinary means.
他没坐火车，没搭公交，也没坐飞机。
He didn't take the train or the bus or even fly through the air.
不是的。
No.
他决定完全靠自己的双腿和一辆自行车，从伦敦一路骑过来。
He decided that he would power himself from London purely by the use of his own legs and a bicycle.
简单说，他就是从伦敦骑自行车到巴黎，这种骑行挑战现在越来越经典了。
So basically, he's he's just cycled from London to Paris, which is a kind of it's becoming kind of a classic challenge, the the London to Paris cycle ride.
他待会儿会在这期播客里跟我们详细说说这段经历。
And he's gonna tell us all about it in this episode of the podcast.
嗨，本。
So hi, Ben.
你好。
Hello.
你最近怎么样？
How are you?
我状态特别好。
I'm I'm really good.
骑完车之后感觉特别棒。
I'm feeling good after my cycle.
你呢，
How are
你的腿怎么样？
your legs?
挺好的。
They're fine.
一点都不累。
They're they're not tired.
我经常骑车，所以完全能应付得来。
I do a lot of cycling, and that they were up to the challenge.
我现在感觉很棒。
I feel good now.
真的吗？
Really?
是的。
Yeah.
你能跟我们说说具体情况吗？
Can you tell us a few things about it?
比如，两地之间到底有多远？
Like, what's the actual distance between the two
我走的路线有点绕弯子。
I've I've come a bit of a circuitous route.
我这条路线是从网上抄的，是一个叫唐纳德的人设计的。
The the route I've done, I stole it from the Internet from from someone called Donald.
那唐纳德知道你偷了他的骑行路线吗？
And and Does Donald does Donald know that you stole his bike route?
我给唐纳德发了邮件，还给他的募捐页面捐了一点钱。
I emailed Donald, and I I donated a bit of money to his JustGiving page.
很好。
Very good.
你确实应该这么做。
You should always do this.
我做对了。
I did the right thing.
我打印了这份PDF指南，选了一条全程无车、风景优美的乡村路线。
So I I printed this PDF guide, and and I did a really nice traffic free rural route.
这五天我总共骑了460公里。
It's a total I've done a total of 460 k over five days.
五天骑了460公里？
460 k over five days?
是的。
Yeah.
这路程可真不短。
That is a long way.
再往前说说，本，你为什么要这么做？
So just going back a bit further, why, Ben?
你干嘛要干这种事？
Why would you do that?
你不是知道有火车吗？
Why would you you know that there is a train, don't you?
有欧洲铁路呢。
There's a euro stuff.
我听说过那趟火车。
I've heard of the train.
我不太想坐那趟车。
I I didn't fancy that.
感觉太快了，太现代化了。
It just seemed too quick, too modern.
我想稍微回溯一下，回到过去。
I wanted to go back a bit, back back in time.
是的。
Yeah.
就像以前人们那样做。
Like how they used to do it back in the olden days.
对。
Yeah.
那时候人们会骑自行车从伦敦到巴黎。
When when people used to cycle from London to Paris.
或者每天都骑。
Or every day.
是的。
Yeah.
这周末你有什么安排？
What are you doing this weekend?
哦，我又要骑自行车从伦敦到巴黎了。
Oh, I'm just cycling to London from London to Paris.
又一次。
Again.
对。
Yeah.
那好吧。
So alright.
所以你是自己决定把这个当成个人挑战？
So you just decided to do it as a personal challenge?
就是个人爱好。
Just a personal thing.
对。
Yeah.
我喜欢骑车。
I I like cycling.
我平时在家骑得挺多的。
I cycle a lot at home.
我以前没骑车旅行过，但装备挺全的，以前常徒步露营和登山。
I've never toured before, but I've I've got lots of stuff because I used to to walk and camp and hike a lot.
是的。
Yeah.
所以我把这些装备都转成自行车旅行用的了。
So I I converted that to to bicycle.
明白了。
Okay.
于是就决定去做了。
And and decided to do it.
我差不多计划了六个月。
I've been planning planning for about six months.
明白了。
Okay.
我在一月份就决定要干这件事了。
So I decided in January that I was gonna do this.
需要很多训练吗？
Was that was there a lot of training involved?
我其实没怎么专门训练过。
I haven't trained really.
我是个特别痴迷骑车的人。
I'm a bit of an obsessive cyclist.
我平时一直工作，一到休息日就骑车去林肯郡那片漂亮的乡下转转。
I work all the time and go out on my days off into the the lovely Lincolnshire countryside.
是的
Yeah.
你就是那儿的人？
That's where you're from?
对，我出生在那里。
That is where I'm from.
说说看，那具体在哪儿？
Tell us where where that is.
林肯郡在哪儿？
Where where's Lincolnshire?
林肯郡在北部。
Lincolnshire is up north.
对。
Right.
在东海岸那边。
On the East Yeah.
在南约克郡旁边，亨伯赛德下面，诺福克上面。
Next to South Yorkshire, below Humberside, and above Norfolk.
哦，明白了。
Oh, okay.
它就在诺福克、亨伯赛德和南约克郡之间夹着。
It's it's in a Norfolk, Humberside, South Yorkshire sandwich.
诺福克、凶杀案、南约克郡三明治？
Norfolk, Homicide, South Yorkshire sandwich.
这三明治吃起来啥味道？
What how does that sandwich taste?
乡村味儿浓，李子也熟了。
Rural and plum ready.
你说的乡村味儿是什么意思？
What do you mean by rural?
那里到处都是乡野风光。
It's very, very, very much full of countryside.
你说的乡村，指的就是乡下地方，对吧？
By rural, we're talking about countryside, aren't we?
跟城市相对的那种。
As opposed to urban.
没错。
Absolutely.
这儿有点英式风格，你懂的。
There's a bit of English here, you see.
城市就是指城里头。
Urban meaning of the city.
对。
Yes.
乡村就是田野、牛羊这些。
And rural meaning Fields, cows, sheep.
树木，到处都是树。
Trees Trees.
新鲜空气，是啊。
Fresh air Yeah.
还有啊，小动物什么的。
And and, like, you know, little animals and stuff.
对。
Yeah.
对动物来说，那简直是天堂。
It's it's it's heaven heaven for animals.
是的。
Yeah.
明白了。
Okay.
所以你是那种喜欢户外的人。
So you're kind of an outdoorsy type person.
非常爱户外。
Very much.
一个痴迷的骑行者，
An obsessive cyclist,
你是这么说的。
you say.
是的。
Yeah.
意思是，你正在做别的事，突然间就会想，等等，
Does that mean that you'll just be doing something and then you'll and then you'll just go, wait a minute.
我得停下现在的事，
I've gotta stop doing this.
赶紧去骑车。
I must cycle somewhere.
我根本不用特意想‘得去骑车’，因为我本来就一直在骑。
I I never get to the stage where I have to think I must cycle somewhere because I'm on the bike anyway.
没错。
Right.
所以这从来不是有意识的决定。
So it's never a conscious decision.
那你平时花在自行车上的时间有多少？
So how much of your time do you spend on a bicycle?
好几个小时。
Many hours.
我还会做表格记录。
I I keep spreadsheets.
你真的会做表格？
You actually have spreadsheets?
用一种特别 geek 的方式。
In a very, very nerdy way.
是 Excel 表格。
Excel spreadsheets?
对，就是 Excel 表格。
Excel spreadsheets.
从六月开始，我骑在车座上的时间加起来大约有210个小时。
And since June, I've sat in the saddle for about two hundred and ten hours.
所以你真的会统计骑行的小时数？
So you actually count the number of hours?
连秒都算。
Seconds.
你连秒都统计？
So you count the number of seconds.
你是怎么做到的？
How do you do that?
用一个小型自行车电脑。
With a little bike computer.
你车上装了个小电脑？
You've got a little computer on your bike?
是的。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
这东西能玩游戏吗？
Can you play games on it?
不能。
No.
只能计数。
Just count numbers.
明白了。
Okay.
就跟那种小速度表差不多。
It's like one of those little speedometers or something.
是的。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
它能精确计算你骑车花了多少时间。
And it calculates exactly how much time you spend cycling.
没错。
It does.
不好意思。
So sorry.
去年一整年，你骑车花了多久？
In the last year Yeah.
你总共花了多少时间？
You've you've spent how much time?
肯定超过两百个小时了。
It must be over two hundred hours.
好的。
Okay.
现在。
Now.
超过两百个小时。
Over two hundred hours.
坐着的时候。
On a Sitting
在我车座上。
in my saddle.
假设一年有两百个小时。
And we have, let's say, two hundred hours in a year.
那平均每个月是多少小时？十二个月总共多少小时？
So how many hours is that in twelve how many hours per month on average?
我不知道。
I don't know.
我可以查一下表格，回头告诉你。
I could check the spreadsheet and come back to
关于这个事儿。
you on that.
数学。
Mathematics.
我让你算个数学题。
I'm asking you to make some mathematical calculations.
不行。
No.
我不是搞数学的。
Not not a mathematician.
好吧。
Okay.
我算不出来。
Couldn't do it.
我猜有些听众已经自己算出来了。
I expect some of my listeners are already working that out.
他们大概在想，200除以12。
They're probably like, 200 divided by 12.
来吧，卢克。
Come on, Luke.
这很简单。
That's easy.
我还是不知道答案是什么。
I still don't know what the answer is.
我们得查一下计算器。
We'd have to look at a calculator.
大概十八左右。
It's gonna be about eighteen.
每个月十八小时？
Eighteen hours per month?
对。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
把这个除以四。
Divide that by four.
那行。
Then alright.
十除以四等于多少？
What's 10 divided by four?
是2.5，没错。
It's 2.5 Yeah.
对吧？
Isn't it?
八除以四是二，所以每周是四个半小时。
Eight divided by four is two, so that's four point five hours a week.
是的。
Yeah.
这看着不算高，但主要是通勤时间。
Which doesn't seem that high, but that's mainly just commuting.
工作日里，尤其是周一和周五，每天差不多要花一小时。
It's nearly in in during the week, Mondays and Fridays, it's nearly an hour a day.
对。
Yes.
所以确实挺久的。
So it's yeah.
这占了不少时间。
It's a good good deal of time.
是的。
Yeah.
休息日的时候，我会去骑一些长途。
And then I'll go out on some big rides on the days off.
对。
Yeah.
明白了。
Okay.
挺好。
Fine.
你有一辆不错的自行车吗？
So have you got a good bike?
我有一辆特别棒的自行车。
I've got a lovely bike.
我有两辆。
I've got two.
我当初稍微多花了一点钱。
I I splashed out a bit Yeah.
大概一年半前吧，买了两辆特别好的自行车。
Kind of eighteen months to a year ago, and and bought myself two very nice bikes.
你舍得花这么多钱？
You splash you splashed out?
是啊，花了不少。
Splashed out.
你这话是什么意思？
What do you mean?
花了不少钱。
Spent loads of money.
一次性花的？
In one go?
对。
Yeah.
是什么让你这么做的？
What what made you do that?
是一时冲动买的，还是早就有计划要换新车？
Was it an impulse purchase, or did you plan to buy a new bike?
我本来就想买一辆好的公路车，所以去年圣诞节前后就买了一辆赛车款。
I wanted I I got one I got a racing bike around Christmas time because I I wanted a nice road bike, so I did that.
是啊。
Yeah.
然后我想开始长途骑行。
And then I wanted to start touring.
所以那辆赛车不适合，我就需要一辆旅行车。
So the racing bike wasn't adequate for that, so I needed a touring bike.
赛车和旅行车有什么区别？
What's the difference between a racing bike and a touring bike?
赛车很轻，很运动，轮胎细，适合高速行驶。
Racing bike's very lightweight, sporty, thin tires made to go fast
是的。
Yeah.
不带行李，而我的旅行车更重，钢架，没错。
With no luggage, and my touring bike is heavier, steel frame Yeah.
轮胎更粗，能装很多行李。
Thicker tires, carries loads of luggage.
明白了。
Okay.
好的。
Alright.
你跟我说说轮胎的事吧。
And tell me about the tires.
轮胎？
The tires?
对。
Yeah.
你的轮胎是不是像山地车那样特别厚？
You got a very thick sort of tires like on a mountain bike?
不是。
No.
不是。
No.
那样太费劲了。
They'd be too inefficient.
那会太费劲了。
They'd be too much hard work.
因为我主要在公路上骑。
Because because I'm mainly on the roads.
要是用山地车的轮胎，阻力会更大。
If I had mountain bike tires, there'd be more friction
在公路上。
on the roads.
明白了。
Okay.
所以是钢架公路车的轮胎。
So steel frame road tires.
对。
Mhmm.
你带了多少行李？
And how much luggage did you carry?
27.6公斤。
27.6 kilograms.
27.6公斤。
27.6 kilograms.
明白了。
Okay.
是的。
Yeah.
你真是仔细称过了，
You really measured it carefully,
对吧？
didn't you?
是的。
Yeah.
你本人有多重？
And how much do you weigh?
75公斤。
Seventy five.
好的。
Okay.
所以你身上带着超过一百公斤的重量。
So you're carrying just over a 100 kilograms.
那自行车呢？有多重？
And the bike, how much is that?
大概20，不对。
About 20 no.
18。
18.
18。
18.
好的。
Okay.
这可真是够重的
It's quite a lot of
要驮四百六十公斤，负担真不小
Lots of weight to carry 460 k.
四百六十公斤
Four Four hundred and sixty k.
明白了
Alright.
我的听众里，应该有不少人自己经常骑长途自行车或者长跑吧
My listeners I expect some of my listeners that do quite large, long bike rides or runs and things themselves.
如果是这样，欢迎在评论里说说，你觉得四百六十公斤算重吗
If that's the case, do leave a comment to explain whether or not for example, maybe you think, 460 k?
别开玩笑了
Come on.
这点重量算什么
That's nothing.
你知道吗，我有一些听众在南美洲，那边的距离可长多了。
You know, I've I've get listeners in South America, for example, they've got very long distances there.
但我很好奇，有没有人骑过超过460公里的？
But I wonder if anyone has ever ridden more than 460 k?
是的。
Yeah.
这对我来说简直太惊人了，但可能在别人眼里根本不算什么。
Because this seems like a really big deal to me, but this is probably tiny.
对我来说，这真的特别了不起。
I think it's a very big deal for me.
我是说，我以前开车从伦敦到巴黎，花了五个小时，那感觉就像经历了一次人生大事，特别遥远的旅程。
I mean, I can't I I drove from London to Paris in a car, and it took me five hours, and that was like a massive sort of life changing event, a huge journey.
我根本没法想象骑自行车完成这段路。
I can't imagine doing it by bike.
所以你这么做，纯粹是为了挑战自己？
So so you did it just as a personal challenge to yourself.
你是和别人一起做的吗？
Did you do it with other people?
有一大群人吗？
Was there a big group?
这是个有组织的活动吗？
Was it an organized event?
就我一个人。
It was just me.
我本来打算一个人从泰晤士河骑到塞纳河，但路上碰巧遇到了几个挺好的人。
I planned to do the entire ride on my own from from the Thames to the Seine, but I I happened to meet a couple of nice people along the way.
明白了。
Okay.
他们就跟着我的GPS走。
And they they hitchhiked on my GPS.
他们跟着你的GPS走？
They hitchhiked on your GPS?
是的
Yeah.
你这话是什么意思？
What what do you mean?
他们带着行李出发，既没带地图也没做计划。
They came abroad with no map and no plan.
是的
Yeah.
他们只是想着骑车去戛纳，根本不知道自己会到哪儿。
Just thought they'd cycle to Cannes, and they didn't know where they were going.
我有计划。
I did.
是的
Yeah.
于是他们就跟着我一起走了。
So they stuck with me.
好的。
Alright.
所以他们也在骑车？
So they were cycling as well?
他们也是。
They were
做着完全一样的行程，从伦敦到
doing the same thing, exactly the same ride, London to
巴黎。
Paris.
明白了。
Okay.
我们在渡轮那儿碰上了，是啊。
And and we met at the ferry Yeah.
聊了起来，是啊。
Cot chatting Yeah.
我们决定可以互相合作
Decided we could have a mutual arrangement
是的
Yeah.
彼此都能从中获益
And benefit from one another.
明白了
Okay.
而且
And
那他们是怎么从你的GPS里受益的？
How did so they benefited from your GPS.
你呢，本？你从他们那儿得到了什么？
How did you benefit from them, Ben?
没疯掉。
Not going mad.
好的。
Okay.
要是我自己一个人，我肯定早疯了。
I'd have gone mad on my own, I think.
我后来明白了。
I realized that.
越往后走，天气越糟，山路又陡又难，各种挑战接踵而至。
Quite the longer I went on, and all all the terrible weather, big hills, challenges.
接下来我们会听到全部细节。
We're gonna hear all about this Yeah.
这糟糕的天气、陡峭的山丘、痛苦、汗水、眼泪，全都会讲到。
This terrible weather experience, the big hills, the pain, the the the sweat, the tears Yeah.
还有沮丧，甚至流血。
The frustration, the blood.
对。
Yeah.
有流血吗？
Was there any blood?
有。
Yes.
是的。
Yeah.
腿上流血了。
There was leg blood.
腿上流血？
Leg leg blood?
对。
Yeah.
明白了。
Okay.
还有手上也流血了。
And hand blood.
手上的血也是。
And hand blood too.
你是不是
Did you
摔下来了？
fall off?
我从来没摔过。
Never fell off.
不过我的腿老是撞到踏板上。
I kept smacking my legs on my pedals though.
明白了。
Okay.
你可以再多说说
You can tell us more about
那件事
that
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所以你遇到的那些人里，我记得你遇到了两个女孩。
So in a these people that you met up with, I believe you met up with two girls.
是的。
Yeah.
两个女孩。
Two two girls.
对。
Yeah.
那有希望吗？
Was that was that promising?
我本来还以为，哇，这太棒了。
Because I would have thought, wow, this is great.
两个女孩。
Two girls.
太好了。
Brilliant.
也许其中一个人会对我感兴趣。
So maybe one of them will be interested in me.
我们一路上会经常睡帐篷。
We will be sleeping in tents a lot.
说不定会发生点什么。
Maybe something's gonna happen.
从刚认识那两个女孩不久后，我就明显感觉到她们的取向不一样。
It it was evident from fairly soon after meeting the girls that they were of a different persuasion.
你所说的‘取向不一样’是什么意思？
What do you mean by a different persuasion?
她们彼此之间有好感。
They were attracted to one another.
她们对彼此感兴趣。
They were interested in in each other.
对。
Mhmm.
我明白了。
I see.
哦，对了。
Oh, right.
好的。
Okay.
你对这件事感到失望还是高兴？
Is were you disappointed or pleased with that?
我觉得挺好的。
I was fine with that.
是的。
Yeah.
他们不是我喜欢的类型。
They they weren't my type.
他们人特别友好，我和他们相处得也不错，看到他们彼此开心，我也很高兴。
And they were very they were very friendly, got on well with them, and I was very happy that they were happy with one another.
好的。
Okay.
那你也不是他们喜欢的类型吗？
And you you weren't their type as well?
确实如此。
Very much so.
好的。
Okay.
但你们很快就达成了共识，清楚地界定了这段关系。
But so you soon settled down into a common understanding of exactly how the relationship was defined.
是的。
Yeah.
他们是一对，而你则保持独立。
They were an item, and you had GPS.
对。
Yes.
好的。
Okay.
行。
Fine.
太好了。
So good.
所以你旅行的时候是有人陪着的，对吧？
So you had some companions with you on the on the trip.
很棒。
Excellent.
那你能不能先告诉我们，你们是从哪儿出发的？
Now, maybe you can start by telling us where you started from.
起点是哪里？
What was the start point?
起点是伦敦的普罗沃斯特街。
The start point was Provost Street in London.
伦敦那边具体在哪个位置？
Where is whereabouts in London exactly?
在河的北边，算是市中心附近。
It is north of the river, fairly central.
我也说不太准了。
I can't really be any more specific.
在河的北边，市中心附近。
North of the river, fairly central.
靠近地铁站吗？
Was it near a tube station?
我记不清地铁站叫什么了。
I can't remember what the tube station is.
Provost Street，在河的北边，市中心附近。
Provost Street, north of the river, fairly central.
明白了。
Okay.
就在那附近，基本上属于伦敦一区，市中心，对吧？
It's near it's basically in Zone 1, Central London, isn't it?
是的。
Yeah.
市中心。
Central London.
好的。
Alright.
那旅程的终点呢？最后到哪儿？
And then the end point, the the end of the the journey?
其实就是巴黎市中心。
Was the middle of Paris, essentially.
住的是一家叫里夏尔酒店的地方。
It was a hotel called Hotel Richard.
明白了。
Okay.
巴黎市中心的理查德酒店。
Hotel Richard in the center of Paris.
是的。
Yeah.
好的。
Alright.
那花了多长时间？
And how long did it take?
我周一骑车出发，周四晚上到的巴黎。
Well, I set off on Monday on my bike ride, and I arrived in Paris on Thursday evening.
明白了。
Right.
你是周一早上出发的？
You set off on Monday morning?
六点十分。
Ten minutes past six.
早上六点十分就出发了？
Ten minutes past 6AM?
对。
Yep.
你起得真早啊。
You started really early.
是的。
Mhmm.
那天行程特别长。
It was a big day.
那是我最重要的一天，第一天。
That was my biggest day, the first day.
是的。
Yeah.
所以我得早点出发。
So I needed an early start.
对。
Mhmm.
而且我还要走很长一段路。
And I had a long way to go.
137公里。
A Hundred And 37 k.
第一天就跑了137公里。
Hundred 37 On day one.
明白了。
Okay.
那你跑完137公里花了多长时间？
And and how long did it take you to do a 137 k?
七小时二十二分钟。
Seven hours twenty two minutes.
这个成绩算不错吗？
Is that a good time?
我不确定。
I don't know.
带着那么多行李，我觉得这个成绩已经不错了。
It's it's a good time with all that luggage, I think.
是的。
Yeah.
平均每小时大概骑了20公里。
It was an average of about 20 k an hour.
原来如此。
I see.
按自行车的标准来看这速度挺慢的，但骑旅行车还载着这么多装备，已经算不错了。
Which is pretty slow in bike terms, but on a Tourer with loads of gear, it's alright.
而且上坡让我慢了不少。
And the hills slow me down.
那你能不能跟我讲讲，出发头几个小时，面对整段旅程时是什么感觉？
And so how was it when you just talk me through the the sort of first few hours when you had the whole journey ahead of you.
特别激动人心。
Really exciting.
我早就盼着这一天了，终于能带着所有行李上路，感觉真好。
I'd been looking forward to it so much, and it was just great to be on the road with all my stuff.
我终于真的启程了。
I was actually doing it finally.
我梦了好久，终于骑着车过了塔桥，从北岸穿越泰晤士河到南岸。
I've been dreaming of it for ages, and getting to Tower Bridge crossing the the Thames from the North to south Mhmm.
想到四天后就要穿越塞纳河，真是让人兴奋。
Knowing that I'd be crossing the Seine in four days time was Yeah.
太让人兴奋了。
Exciting.
其实一点都不让人害怕。
So it wasn't really daunting.
面对这么长的路程，你没觉得压力很大吗？
You weren't intimidated by all the the the distance you had to cover?
没有。
No.
我觉得我知道全程有多少公里，精确到最近的一公里，因为我都规划好了。
I don't think I'm I knew how far it was in terms of kilometers to the, you know, to the nearest one k because I planned it all.
是的。
Yeah.
但我没真正体会到这段路程意味着什么。
But I didn't actually appreciate what that distance meant.
你没真正意识到这有多艰难。
You didn't really appreciate how tough it was.
路特别长，而且到处是坡。
It was a long long way, and it was hilly.
真的吗？
Really?
坡度特别大。
Extremely hilly.
好的。
Okay.
所以从伦敦到加来，或者伦敦到……
So from London to Calais or London to
不是。
No.
那条路可太无聊了。
That's a really boring way to go.
是啊。
Yeah.
从伦敦一路到加来或者多佛，根本不是什么好走的路线。
London down to Calais or down to Dover is is not a nice route to go.
没错。
Yeah.
加来那地方又平又刮风，还全是工业区。
And Calais is flat and windy and industrial Mhmm.
而且很难看。
And ugly.
加来。
Calais.
如果有加来居民在听，抱歉啊。
Sorry if any Calais residents are listening.
不会吧。
No.
依我经验，法国人通常对加来没什么好话。
Think in my experience, people in in France are often rather disparaging about Calais.
对。
Mhmm.
但那里确实是最近的地点。
But it happens to be the closest spot.
其实就是多佛到加来这条线。
It's basically Dover to Calais.
那里是英国和法国距离最近的地方。
That's where England and France are closest.
对。
Yeah.
所以大多数轮船和其他交通工具都从这里往返。
So that's the place where often all the ferries and other other transport crosses at that point.
那你没选择从多佛去加来，对吧？
So you chose not to go to Dover and then to Calais.
那你走的是哪条路线？
What route did you take?
我从英格兰南岸的纽黑文出发的。
I went from New Haven in on the South Coast Of England
是的。
Mhmm.
就在布莱顿东边一点。
Which is just East of Brighton Yeah.
然后我从新黑文坐渡轮去了第厄普，好的。
And got a ferry from New Haven to Dieppe Okay.
在法国的北海岸。
On the North Coast Of France.
所以是坐渡轮，明白了。
So the ferry, okay.
航程顺利吗？
Was it a nice crossing?
航程特别舒服。
It was a it was a lovely crossing.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
好。
Okay.
白天花了四个小时。
Four hours during the day Yeah.
我和我新认识的女同性恋朋友们一直聊天。
And me and my new lesbian friends sat chatting.
是的。
Yeah.
你们是什么时候发现她们真的是女同性恋的？
When at what point did you learn that they were actually lesbian?
从来没有人明说过。
It it was never explicitly discussed.
真的吗？
Really?
就是那种感觉。
It was
她们从来没跟你说过，嘿，本。
They never said to you, look, Ben.
听好了，本。
Look, Ben.
他们根本没必要明说。
They didn't need to set it straight.
对。
No.
他们没必要清楚地跟你说：听好了，本。
They didn't have to say clearly, look, Ben.
我们注意到你盯着我们的样子，也察觉到你跟我们聊天的意图，所以一开始就觉得应该直接告诉你：不好意思，我们对你没兴趣，这跟你个人没关系。
I I we've we've seen the way you're looking at us, and we've we've identified the the level of conversation that you're aiming at us, and we just thought it would be appropriate to say at the beginning that, sorry, we're we're not interested in in you, and it's not personal.
我们对男人整体都没兴趣。
We're just not interested in men in general.
我们更喜欢女性。
We prefer the ladies.
他们从来没明说过。
They never it was never explicitly discussed.
好吧。
Okay.
你是刚注意到，还是突然想明白了？
You but you just noticed or you realized?
对。
Yeah.
发生什么事了？
What happened?
他们接吻了吗，还是
Did they kiss or
是他们整体的行为表现。
Their their their general behavior.
是的。
Yeah.
但其实没听起来那么严重，他们的整体行为就是这样。
But it doesn't not as bad as that sounds, really, their general behavior.
这听起来好像他们……
That makes it sound like they
不是的。
were No.
他们之间那种有点特别的温柔时刻，或者……
The the the odd sort of tender moment between them or
或者情侣之间那种相处方式。
or How couples sacked.
是的。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
没必要再深究这个了。
No need to dwell on on that further.
我觉得这样就够了。
Think that's that's good.
但最重要的是，你当时有伴陪着
But the main thing is you had some company
是的
Yeah.
不然你都要疯了
To prevent you from going insane.
都是特别棒的伙伴
Some really good company.
特别开心
It was so fun.
人也都很好
Lovely people.
太好了
Excellent.
你们现在还保持联系吗
Are you still in touch?
是的。
Yeah.
我们交换了邮箱和电话号码。
We've we've swapped email addresses and numbers.
好的。
Okay.
我打算发一些照片给他们。
And I'm gonna send them some photos.
好的。
Okay.
太好了。
That's great.
你到纽黑文花了多长时间？
So so how long did it take you to get to where was it that you New Haven.
你到纽黑文花了多长时间？
How long did it take you to get to New Haven?
骑了七个半小时。
That was seven and a half hours of riding.
我早上六点十分出发，到那儿差不多五点。
I I set off at 06:10 in the morning and got there at about five.
是的。
Yeah.
下午五点。
05:00 in the afternoon.
原来如此。
I see.
你中途休息了吗？
And did you stop?
我好好吃了一顿午饭。
I had a nice long lunch.
对。
Yeah.
你吃了什么？
What did you have?
我记不清了。
I can't remember.
真的吗？
Really?
没有。
No.
你没吃鱼和薯条？
You didn't have like fish and chips?
那是在英国啊。
It was in England.
可能是帕尼尼。
It might have been a panini.
帕尼尼配薯条。
Panini and chips.
是的。
Yeah.
有配薯条吗？
Were chips involved.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
我提鱼和薯条只是因为这是个老套说法，但实际上我们没那么常吃吧？
I said I mentioned fish and chips just because of the cliche, but so we don't eat fish and chips that often, do we really?
不常吃。
No.
你多久吃一次鱼和薯条？
Often do you have fish and chips?
大概一年一次。
Once a year, roughly.
是的。
Yeah.
圣诞节。
Christmas.
不是。
No.
对我来说，它们不是季节性食物。
They're not a seasonal thing for me.
我每年就馋那么一次，吃一回，然后就觉得又腻又油，真难吃。
I fancy them once a year, eat them, and then realize they're disgusting and greasy.
对。
Mhmm.
这更像是一种概念，而不是真的会经常吃的东西。
It's the sort of it's more of an idea than a genuine
吃之前觉得挺美好的，但——
It seems nice before the event, but
是的。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
没错。
Right.
所以第一天，你确实用三明治和薯条当能量补给。
So the first day then, yeah, you had your panini and chips as as fuel.
是的。
Yeah.
我一直把食物单纯看作能量来源。
I I just thought of fuel as food as fuel just the whole way.
是的。
Yeah.
那已经不是为了吃东西了。
It wasn't food anymore.
那就是汽油。
It was petrol.
是的。
Yeah.
差不多吧。
Kind of
自行车用的汽油。
Bike petrol.
有点像男人的燃料。
Sort of man petrol.
对。
Yeah.
好吧。
And okay.
对了，你走的时候，是不是带了很多东西？
So then by the way, when you you left, I mean, did you pack a lot of stuff?
我是说，比如骑车五天，你带手机了吗？
I mean, for example, five days cycling, did you bring a mobile?
你带手机了吗？
Did you bring a mobile phone?
是的。
Yeah.
我带了很多东西。
I brought lots of stuff.
我特别喜欢装备和器材，没错。
I'm I'm really into kit and gear and Yeah.
还有各种东西。
And stuff.
我对小 gadgets 有点着迷。
I'm a bit nerdy gadgets.
对。
Yep.
那你给我们说说都带了些什么东西吧。
So Tell us about the stuff.
说说你都带了哪些装备。
Tell us about the gadgets that you brought with it.
最重要的装备是我的佳明GPS。
Most important gadget, I've got a Garmin GPS.
什么？
A what?
这是家叫佳明的公司做的。
It's it's made by a company called Garmin
对。
Mhmm.
它就像是专为自行车设计的导航仪。
And it is a it's like a satnav for bikes.
明白了。
Okay.
它里面装了地图，能告诉我自己的位置。
And it's got maps on it, and it works out where I am Yeah.
还能算出我还要走多远。
And how far I've got to go.
它会出声提醒你吗？
Does it does it talk to you in
不会出声。
a It doesn't talk.
不会。
No.
明白了。
Okay.
所以，不会。
So it no.
它不会告诉我下一个环岛该左转。
It doesn't tell me to go left at the next roundabout.
它会显示方向。
It points.
好的。
Okay.
就只是一个箭头。
It just has an arrow.
对。
Yeah.
明白了。
I see.
它准不准？
And is it reliable?
它会不会
Does
它特别准。
it It's it's amazing.
它真的特别关键，不然路线会特别复杂，而且全是乡下小路。
It's I it was absolutely indispensable and meant the route was quite complicated, very rural.
一路上根本看不到任何指示方向的路标。
No no signs pointing which way I needed to go.
对。
Mhmm.
这样一来，省了我很多看地图的时间。
So it saved a lot of map reading time.
好的。
Okay.
不错。
Good.
所以你用了GPS。
So you had your GPS.
你还带了那个小自行车电脑。
You also had your little bike computer.
是的
Yeah.
我那个小计数器用来统计公里数。
My little counting computer to tot up the k.
我们有一些数据，你可以跟我们说说。
We we've got some some stats which you can tell us about in
很多数据。
Loads of stats.
是的
Yeah.
好的
Okay.
还有其他设备吗？
Any other gadgets?
还有其他科技装备吗？
Any other technology?
我带了手机和一个小充电宝，能给我的iPhone供电，你知道iPhone的电池有多不经用。
I had my mobile and a little charge pack, which which will keep my phone, my iPhone, and you know how notoriously short lived the batteries are.
通常只能撑两分钟左右。
They usually last for about two minutes.
差不多两分钟吧。
Roughly two minutes.
这个小充电宝能让我的iPhone撑上五天左右。
This this little battery pack will keep my iPhone alive for five days or so.
真的吗？
Seriously?
是的。
Yeah.
太厉害了。
Wow.
那它方便携带吗？
That's And is it portable?
这个电池有多大？
How big is the battery?
很小。
It's it's small.
大概有这么点大，我一时想不出有什么东西能比得上。
It's it's about the size of I can't think of anything to to compare it to.
大概有半张明信片那么大，普通明信片的一半。
Maybe half a postcard, half of a normal postcard.
半张明信片。
Half a postcard.
卡片。
Card.
但没那么薄。
But not as thin.
我正想说，这
I was gonna say, that's
特别薄。
very thin.
相当于一百张明信片叠起来那么厚。
Of a stack of a 100 postcards.
所以大概有一英寸厚。
So it's like about an inch thick.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得没错。
I reckon.
差不多有大硬盘那么大。
That's maybe the size of a large hard drive.
大硬盘的一半大小。
Half a large hard drive.
明白了。
Okay.
我猜我的听众现在心里在想：卢克，我们真不知道这到底有多大。
I expect my listeners are thinking, okay, we don't know how big that is, Luke.
别管这个了。
Just never mind.
接着说吧。
Carry on.
我们继续讲这个故事。
Let's go on with the story.
我想听你说说有多疼，本，我想知道的是，你走到半路的时候，是不是突然意识到：天哪，这真是个大错，我的腿怕是要废了。
Tell us about I I wanna hear about how much it hurts and how what I want to know, Ben, is how you got sort of partway through the journey and you realized, oh my god, this is a horrible mistake and my legs are gonna fall off.
再这样下去，我怕是要没命了。
I'm gonna die if I keep doing this.
你有没有过那种特别害怕的瞬间？
Did you have a moment of fear like that?
我们在法国的一个公交站，三个人同时有了一种共同的顿悟。
There was a collective between the three of us, a collective moment in a bus stop in the middle of France Yeah.
那会儿正赶上一场暴雨，真的吗？
During a torrential thunderstorm Really?
我们就问自己，我们到底在干什么？
That we just thought, what are we doing?
完全不知道该怎么办。
And we didn't know what to do.
不知道是该继续走，还是找个旅馆住下，完全没主意。
We didn't know whether to carry on, find a B and B, didn't know didn't know what to do.
明白了。
Okay.
好。
Alright.
所以那是你们遇到的极端天气之一，对吧？
So that was in one of the extreme weather Yeah.
你们经历过的那些暴风雨之一。
Storms that you had.
我们当时有种虚假的安全感。
We were lulled in into a false sense of security.
第一天是我走最远的一天，但特别轻松。
Day one was my furthest day, but really easy.
是的。
Yeah.
因为那是第一天。
Because it was day one.
终于上路了，我特别开心。
I was really pleased to be out there Mhmm.
终于在路上了。
Finally on the road.
第二天路况很好，全是平路，特别轻松。
Day two, really nice and flat, easy.
第三天可太累了。
Day three, killer.
真的吗？
Really?
是的。
Yeah.
第三天特别糟糕，简直是最惨的一天。
Day three was like the the the bad day, the day of days.
那天真的很糟，但最后我们还是挺住了，完成之后挺高兴的，不过确实特别有挑战性。
It was a terrible day, but we we ended it on a high, and we're pleased we've done it once we finished, but it was challenging.
明白了。
Okay.
我们再回过头说说，第一天已经过去了。
So we've just going back to the story, we've we've done day one.
是的。
Yeah.
挺顺利的一天。
Good day.
你那天骑了一百三十公里。
You covered a hundred and thirty
一百三十七公里。
Hundred and thirty seven.
七公里。
Seven kilometers.
对。
Yeah.
你那天就进入法国了。
You got into France on that day.
那是第二天的事。
That was the following day.
我们在纽黑文的一个露营地停了下来。
Stopped at a campsite in New Haven.
所以你当晚在纽黑文搭帐篷过夜？
So you slept in New Haven overnight in a tent?
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
我一路上都是露营的。
I was camping along the way.
我们没这么说。
We didn't say that.
好的。
Okay.
所以我还带着帐篷、炉子，还有所有那些东西。
So I was carrying a tent and stove and and all that stuff as well.
所以你实际上是把家也带在身边了，作为
So you you actually brought your home with you as a as a
是的
Yeah.
我简直可以一辈子靠这些东西生活下去。
I I could have just lived forever on all that stuff.
太棒了。
Brilliant.
帐篷有多大？
And how big was the tent?
是单人帐篷还是双人帐篷？
Was it a one man tent, two man?
这叫双人帐篷。
It's called a two man tent
对。
Yeah.
但帐篷厂商都这样标。
But tent makers do this.
他们说是双人的，但实际上只能挤下一个人。
They they call it a two, but you can really only fit a person in it.
是的
Yeah.
他们为什么要这么做？
Why do they do that?
我也不知道。
No idea.
我觉得他们就是想卖给喜欢挤在一起的人，没错。
I think they like to sell tents to people who like to be cozy Yes.
和别人挤在一起。
With with one another.
对。
Yes.
没错。
That's right.
我和我的车包挤得挺舒服的。
I was cozy with my panniers.
好的。
Okay.
那两个女孩就是你认识的那两个吗？
Those are the two girls you met?
不幸的是，没有。
Unfortunate no.
我没把它们叫作我的行李架。
I didn't refer to them as my panniers.
我的行李。
My my luggage.
哦，对了。
Oh, right.
对。
Right.
什么是行李架？
What's a pannier?
驮包就是那种可以装在自行车上的包。
A pannier is a bag that you fit to your bike.
原来如此。
I see.
我带了四个。
I had four.
后面两个，前面两个。
I had two on the back and two on the front.
明白了。
Okay.
那晚上睡觉怎么样？
And so how was it sleeping?
你不是说那个是双人帐篷吗？广告上也这么写的。
I mean, the the two man tent, as you say, they they advertise it as a two man tent.
但实际上，一个人睡都嫌挤，还得塞进几个驮包。
In fact, it's enough for one man and a few panniers.
是的
Yeah.
那在帐篷里睡得怎么样？
And how was it in the tent?
晚上冷吗？
Were you cold at night?
不冷
No.
挺好的
It's fine.
特别暖和
It's it's really warm.
有时候还热得过头了
I was too warm at times.
真的吗？
Really?
而且挺舒服的。
And it's good.
我习惯露营了。
I'm I'm used to camping.
我经常露营，没错。
I camp a lot, so Right.
那真棒。
It was great.
我睡得比过去几个月都好。
I've slept better than I've slept in months.
是的。
Yeah.
那里空气特别清新。
You get lots of fresh air out there.
新鲜空气。
Fresh air.
是的。
Yeah.
露营地怎么样？
How was the campsite?
你到底是把帐篷搭在哪儿了？
Where did you actually pitch the tent?
第一晚住在一个特别破旧的房车公园里，是的。
The first night was in this really grotty trailer park of a place Yeah.
在纽黑文，是的。
At New Haven Yeah.
就在海边，对。
Right next to the sea Mhmm.
那也还行。
Which was fine.
至少派上了用场。
It served a purpose.
好的。
Okay.
第二天我们去了一个叫诺让勒布雷的地方，那是骑完第一段法国骑行路线后的停靠点。
And then the next day was at a place called Neufchatel On Bray, which was the stop after the first bit of French cycling.
明白了。
Okay.
所以戴夫，第二天一开始，你坐了渡轮，然后一下子就到了法国。
So Dave, beginning of day two, you took the ferry, and then bang, you're in France.
是的。
Yeah.
那天路程比较短。
That was a short day.
我们坐了渡轮，花了四个小时。
We we took the ferry, was four hours.
下午三点到达法国，之后还得骑35公里才能到第一个露营地。
It got to France at three in the afternoon, and then we had 35 k to do to our first campsite.
原来如此。
I see.
而且一路平坦，特别舒服。
And it was flat, lovely and flat.
真的吗？
Really?
是的。
Yeah.
那天天气也不错。
And the weather was good on that day.
对。
Mhmm.
完美。
Perfect.
阳光特别好，景色真的很美。
So it was really nice, beautiful sunshine.
是的。
Yeah.
你当时想，这真是太棒了。
You were thinking, this is wonderful.
我应该每天都这么做。
I should do this all the time.
对。
Mhmm.
那你们晚上睡在哪里？
And then where did you sleep?
你们那天中午吃饭了吗？第二天肯定吃了午饭吧？
Did you have lunch day you must have had lunch day two?
我们吃了。
We yeah.
我们在渡轮上吃了午饭，然后到了第一个露营地，从超市买了些晚餐。
We we ate on the ferry, and then we got some some dinner from some supper from the supermarket at the first campsite.
好的。
Okay.
就在第一个露营地附近。
Near the first campsite.
对。
Right.
所以你们在法国北部的另一个露营地睡的。
So you slept in another campsite in in Northern France.
是的。
Yeah.
那段骑行沿着维特大道，是一条特别设计的自行车道，我觉得他们最终计划把整条路线从伦敦延伸到巴黎。
And that that first section of the ride is along the Avenue Vette, which is a lovely tailor made cycle route, which ultimately I think they plan to to do the whole lot from London to Paris.
真的吗？
Really?
他们打算
They're gonna
远离公路，专为骑行设计的车道。
Off off away from roads, dedicated cycle lane.
这条路叫什么名字？
What's it called, this this road?
它叫Avenue Vette，英文翻译是Green Way，他们英文里就这么叫。
It's the Avenue Vette, which the English translation would be the Green Way is what they call it in English.
对。
Mhmm.
Avenue Weth。
Avenue Weth.
这是一条专门修建的自行车道，没错。
And it's a purpose built cycle path Yeah.
它从哪儿开始，一直延伸到哪儿？
Which takes you all the way from where?
目前是从迪耶普一直到讷夫沙泰尔昂布雷附近。
At the moment, Dieppe down to just after Neufchatel Ambre.
好的。
Okay.
这段路大约有35公里。
And that's It's about 35 k.
听起来真是一次很棒的骑行。
It sounds like a really fantastic ride.
这简直就是自行车的高速公路。
It's it's a motorway for bikes.
那没有汽车吗？
So there are no cars?
没有汽车。
No cars.
也没有道路。
No roads.
也没有行人。
No pedestrians.
有一些行人。
No some pedestrians.
对。
Yeah.
但你只要按一下铃就行。
But you just ring your bell.
叮叮。
Ding ding.
让一让。
Get out of way.
没错。
Exactly.
对。
Yeah.
路面特别平顺，全是沥青铺的。
And and it's just lovely smooth flat tarmac.
没错。
Right.
太棒了。
Lovely.
骑车的天堂。
Cycling nirvana.
而且是
And is
周围都是大自然和树木，是的。
it surrounded by nature, trees Yeah.
还有乡村风光吗？
And countryside?
全程都是穿过乡村。
Just through through countryside.
太好了。
Fantastic.
路上看到鸟或者动物了吗？
Did you see any birds or animals on the way?
看到了。
Yeah.
那两个女孩有个习惯，只要看到鸟，不管是什么鸟，都会喊‘猛禽’。
The the girls had a bit of a habit of whenever they saw a bird, no matter what that bird was, they would exclaim bird of prey.
她们把每一只鸟都叫猛禽。
They they referred to every single bird as a bird of prey.
猛禽是什么？
What is a bird of prey?
猛禽是那种有锋利喙、捕食其他动物的肉食性鸟类。
A bird of prey is a carnivorous sharp beaked bird that preys on other animals.
比如鹰、雕，对吧。
Like a hawk, an eagle Yeah.
就是这类鸟。
That kind of thing.
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