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我很快就回来。
I'll be back.
她会回来的。
She'll be back.
我回来了。
I'm back.
我回来了。
Back.
我回来了。
Back.
欢迎回来。
Welcome
欢迎回到《卢克英语播客》这一集的第二部分。
back to part two of this double episode of Luke's English podcast.
这一集完全讲的是电影。
This one's all about movies.
在上一部分，你听到了亨利·迪恩和我讨论电影，还开始回应你们在Facebook上发给我们的那些问题。
In part one, you heard Henry Dean and myself discussing films and starting to deal with some questions which you had sent into us on Facebook.
而在这一部分，我们会继续回答这些问题，所以请认真听。
Well, in part two, we continue to deal with those questions, So listen tight.
如果喜欢，给自己泡杯茶或者咖啡。
Make yourself a cup of tea or coffee if that's what you prefer.
希望你喜欢这期节目。
Hope you enjoy the show.
谢谢收听。
Thanks for listening.
下一个来自水晶。
Next one is from Crystal.
她说，为什么大多数男性都喜欢满是枪战、爆炸、血腥和性感女郎，却没什么真正剧情的动作片？
She says, why do most men love action movies with guns, explosions, blood, and sexy girls, but no real storyline?
那是因为这些元素最棒了。
That's because they are the best things.
不。
No.
说实话，我也不太清楚，但我相信如果你做心理测试，会发现同样多的女性也喜欢枪战、血腥和爆炸场面。
I I don't know, to tell you the truth, because I'm sure if you did psychological tests, there are just as many women that love guns and blood and explosions.
是的。
Yeah.
真的吗？
Really?
嗯，其实也不一定。
Well, maybe not actually.
我觉得这可能有点夸大了。
I think that might be a bit of
太过分了。
an overstatement.
依我的经验，当一对情侣说今晚一起看电影时，
In my experience, what often happens is when a couple say, let's watch a movie tonight.
男生心里想：好啊。
The guy is thinking, yeah.
我想看那个爆炸大楼第三部，而女生想看那个浪漫爱情故事第三部。
I wanna watch, you know, the the the exploding building three and the girl wants to wants to see the, you know, House of Romance three.
是的。
Yeah.
女生通常喜欢爱情故事，男生则更倾向于有点动作元素的片子。
You know, the girls usually want a love story and the guys usually want something that involves a bit of action.
是的
Yeah.
而且最受欢迎的电影往往能把这两方面结合起来。
And often the best or the the films that are most popular combine those those things.
你总能发现
You always get
没错，就是这样。
That's the thing.
总能找到一部让两个人都满意的电影。
You can always you can always find a film that compromises for two people.
如果你一时拿不定主意，再多找一会儿，一定能找到合适的。
So if you are ever struggling to find something, just keep looking for a bit longer and you'll find something.
但我认为，男人喜欢这类电影，跟他们成长的环境有关，说不好是怎样的世界吧。
But I think men just like it because of the nature that men are brought up in a I don't know, in the world.
对。
Yeah.
他们从小接触的都是高睾酮、刺激又激烈的玩意儿。
They're very exposed to high testosterone, loud fast things.
我觉得这是个非常好的问题，因为这本质上是在问：为什么男人和女人会不一样？
I think it's a very good question because really this is a question about why are men and women different?
没错。
Exactly.
我觉得克里斯蒂娜说得有道理，男人确实更容易被暴力内容吸引，这恐怕是真的。你可以说这是一种令人担忧的现象，也许男人不该这么沉迷暴力，但这种倾向或许源于传统角色——男人原本是猎人和战士，要外出保护家人免受攻击者或野兽威胁，或者去捕猎动物。
And I mean it I guess Christelle maybe has a point here that men seem to be preoccupied with violence which is I think true and you could say that's a worrying phenomenon maybe maybe men shouldn't be preoccupied with violence maybe it goes back to something like the traditional role that men had as the hunter gatherer who would go out and either defend the family against attackers or would defend them against sort of predators or would go out and hunt animals.
所以某种暴力的本能可能已经深植在我们的基因里，如今我们通过看电影来适度释放这种冲动。
So somehow built into our genetics is this sort of violent instinct and now we kind of deal with
就是如此。
that
所以我们在电影里享受一点暴力，也就顺理成章了。
by enjoying a bit of violence in our movies.
为什么？
Why?
为什么？
Why?
我不知道。
I don't know.
但她确实提到，大多数男性都是这样，当然也有例外。
But she does say most men, there are some exceptions of course.
为什么大多数男性都喜欢那种满是枪战、爆炸、鲜血和性感女郎，却没什么真正剧情的动作片？
Why do most men love action movies with guns, explosions, blood, and sexy girls, but no real storyline?
嗯，这个我就不确定了。
Well, I I don't know about that.
对。
Yeah.
我不太认同这一点，比如最近上映的《速度与激情6》，如果你去问问导演或者编剧，你会发现里面其实有非常扎实的主线和丰富的支线，每个细节都有深意。
That's that's the bit I don't really agree with because even if you take, Say for instance that the new Fast and the Furious film that came out Fast and the Furious six I'm sure if you spoke to Whoever it was that directed that or whoever it was that wrote that there is a very real storyline very real subplots and meanings to everything.
所以我觉得人们常常太急于根据表面的娱乐性来评判电影，其实任何电影都有它的故事。
So I think people are often way too quick to judge a film for its face value, for its entertainment value because any film has a storyline.
否则就只能是黑屏了
Otherwise, it would just be a blank screen
没错。
Exactly.
如果完全没有剧情，一小时下来会让人坐不住。
For an hour and a would happen if it was if it had no storyline.
所以，克里斯特尔，我不同意你的看法。
So I have to disagree with you there, Christelle.
我觉得，哪怕是最无聊的动作片，其实也有它的剧情。
I think you'll find that even the most sort of apparently boring action film does have a an actual storyline.
可能这个剧情不够吸引人。
It might not be an appealing storyline.
其实那些浪漫喜剧也常被说成没剧情。
You could also say that these sort of rom coms have no storyline as well.
不都是男孩遇见女孩，女孩不太喜欢男孩，然后被迫和男孩相处，最后两人陷入某种困境吗？
It's always like boy meets girl, girl sort of doesn't really like boy, girl is forced to spend time with boy, Girl and boy join into some sort of a difficult situation.
男孩和女孩解决了困境。
Boy girl resolve difficult situation.
女孩意识到自己喜欢男孩。
Girl realizes that she likes boy.
男孩和女孩互相亲吻。
Girl and boy kiss each other.
电影结束了。
The movie ends.
没错。
Exactly.
我觉得同一类型的电影，剧情往往都差不多。
And I think you'll actually find a lot of films within the same genres have exactly the same storyline.
比如，最近有人分析过皮克斯的动画电影。
For instance, someone recently studied Pixar's films, the animated films of Pixar.
是的。
Yeah.
本质上，他们就是反复讲同一个故事，只是在里面换了38个变量。
And essentially, they have one story that they do over and over again and there's 38 variables within the story.
没错。
Yes.
但不管 Pixar 连续做了十几年还是十几年，核心剧情其实完全没变。
But the actual storyline is exactly the same in all like fourteen or fifteen or how many years of Pixar's
所以这些电影都是这样。
So pictures.
Pixar 做过《玩具总动员》这样的片子。
Pixar did things like Toy Story.
《玩具总动员》。
Toy Story.
《超人总动员》。
Wall
对。
e.
《WALL·E》
Wall e.
他们还拍了哪些电影？
What else did they do?
我想起来了。
My mind's
都让我晕了。
gone crazy.
他们推出过。
They come.
《汽车总动员》。
Cars.
是的。
Yeah.
《虫虫危机》那部，我记得是皮克斯的，也可能是梦工厂的。
A Bug's Life is was that I think that might be Pixar or Dreamworks.
我也这么觉得。
Think so.
我的意思是，这可不只是皮克斯才这样。
Well, I mean, that's that's it doesn't just apply to Pixar.
有人说过，其实只有四五个基本故事类型，这话没错。
In fact, as someone said once that there are only about four or five stories and That's true.
不管哪本书、哪个故事，本质上都是这几种模式的变体。
Anything, any book or narrative is basically a version of one of those things.
这正好可以做成另一期播客，主题就叫‘故事的原型’。
That is another episode of the podcast stories.
我们可以做一期这样的。
We could do that.
克里斯蒂娜，希望这个回答让你满意。
So Christelle, know, I hope you're satisfied with that answer.
估计你还不太满意。
Probably not.
是啊，估计不会。
Yeah, probably not.
她大概还想了解为什么男人对枪感兴趣，这个我们得留到以后再聊。
She probably wants more information about why men are interested in guns, and we'll have to deal with that at a later date.
阿米尔·扎米尔·扎德问，你知道动画软件要花多少钱吗？
Amir Za Amir Zade says, do you know how much money animation software costs?
比如《钢铁侠》这部电影用的软件。
For example, the software for the Iron Man movie.
我不确定他有没有打算拍自己的科幻片，但你知道动画软件要花多少钱吗？
I don't know if he is planning on making his own science fiction film, but do you know how how much the animation software costs?
其实现在，专业电影公司和普通家庭用户用的软件差别不大，甚至可能完全一样。
Well, it you actually nowadays the the sort of the professional movie studios and the people at home will use very similar, if not the same software.
我肯定《钢铁侠》这种大片用了一些专属软件，但如果你有Mac，其实可以在App Store里买到一款叫Motion的软件。
I'm sure something as big as Iron Man had some special software on there, but if you have a Mac, you can actually buy software called Motion, which you can find on the App Store on your Mac.
我不太清楚具体要多少钱。
And I don't know how much is exactly.
我觉得大概是一百四十英镑。
I I think it's around a £140.
但作为业余爱好者，这套软件已经能完成你想要的任何效果了。
But that will be able to do, as an amateur, anything you want it to.
很多电影大片其实也用这种软件。
And a lot of feature films will use this kind of software as well.
他们只是用了性能更强的电脑，对。
They'll just have a lot more powerful computers Mhmm.
还有非常专业的动画师和工程师，让这些动画得以实现。
And very skilled animators and engineers who will make the animations happen.
像《钢铁侠》这种级别的电影，估计90%都不是实拍，全是电脑生成的。
Obviously with Iron Man something of that scale where probably 90% of the film isn't real, it's computer generated.
是的。
Yeah.
他们很可能用了专门定制的电脑和软件来做这种项目。
They probably do have very special computers and software they'd use for that.
不过就是普通的动画制作。
But just sort of a regular animation.
比如你想做一集《辛普森一家》，我知道那不算电影，但是……
Say for instance if you wanted to make an episode of The Simpsons, I know it's not a film but.
其实也算。
It is.
毕竟《辛普森一家》也有电影版。
There is The Simpsons movie.
如果你想制作一集《辛普森一家》或者类似的，甚至是更复杂的三维动画，你是可以用笔记本电脑完成的。
If you wanted to make an episode of The Simpsons or something of the like or even more complicated three d animation, you could do it on your laptop.
只要你的笔记本电脑性能还不错，足够强大，你自己就能搞定。
As long as you have a a decent fairly powerful laptop you can do it yourself.
你建议这样做吗？
Would you recommend doing that
在Windows笔记本上做吗，亨利？
on a Windows laptop Henry?
这得看情况。
It depends.
如果是一台性能很好的Windows笔记本，那当然可以，但你很可能根本不会有这样的设备。
If it's if it's a very good Windows laptop then yes, but the chances are that you probably won't own one.
我的意思是，你当然可以用，但如果你刚入门，用Mac学习会简单得多。
I mean, you could, but it would be a if you're just starting out, it would be a lot easier to learn on a mech.
对。
Yeah.
而且也便宜不少。
A lot cheaper as well.
明白了。
Alright.
好的。
Okay.
所以就是这样。
So there you go.
下一个问题是哈米德提的，他说有些好莱坞电影里的英语特别容易懂，但有些却难到不行。
Next question comes from Hamid who says English spoken in some Hollywood movies is very easy to understand while in others it's so difficult.
为什么呢？
Why?
我现在也想不出具体是哪部电影，你可能也想不出来，但这个问题问得很好，哈米德。
Right now I can't think of any movies so you can't think of any you can't actually think of any examples but good question Hamid.
我相信很多听众都有过同样的经历。
I'm sure that many listeners will have experienced the same things.
有时候看一部电影，你会觉得，嗯，他们说的每句话我都听得懂。
Sometimes you watch a movie and you think, yeah, understand everything they're saying.
但另一些时候看别的好莱坞电影，你又会想，等等，我完全听不懂他们在说什么。
And then other times you watch other Hollywood movies and you think, wait a minute, I've got no idea what anyone's talking about.
首先，我得说，我自己看好莱坞电影的时候，也经常听不懂他们在讲什么。
Well, first of all, I would say that sometimes I watch Hollywood movies and I don't know what they're talking about either.
比如说，我前不久刚看了《阿波罗13号》。
For example, let's see, I watched Apollo 13 not long ago.
是的。
Yes.
那部电影里有很多场景，比如飞船出了故障，
And there were lots and lots of scenes in that film where, for example, they're experiencing problems in the in in the spaceship.
对。
Mhmm.
他们全都在用一堆专业术语，我完全听不懂。
And they're all using this technical language, and it didn't make any sense
我也是。
to me.
不好意思，打个岔。
So, like, know, excuse me.
他说的是类似‘天线四二一’在垂直货舱的滑动门上出了问题。
He's similar experiencing a slight t k four two one issue on the landsliding doors of the perpendicular hold.
你能明白吗？
Can you get
有相关数据吗？
a reading on that?
就是这种类型的情况。
You know, that kind of thing.
你可能会想，其实也没必要听懂每一个词。
And you think, well, actually, you're not really supposed to understand every word of that.
有些电影，这其实关乎影片的整体风格。
So in some films it's a question of the style of the movie.
如果电影追求高度写实，就像在旁观人们日常生活，你可能听不清他们在说什么。
So if the style is meant to be very realistic as if you're just sort of observing people in their daily lives, you might not be able to understand what they're saying.
比如七十年代很多写实风格的电影，我也不太确定具体是哪一部。
Like a lot of films in the nineteen seventies, like, I don't know, like very realistic films in the seventies.
《出租车司机》，老兄。
Taxi Driver, mate.
像《出租车司机》这种，场景可能是即兴拍摄的，角色说话也不太清楚，这其实是导演有意为之的风格。
Taxi Driver, for example, where maybe the the the the scenes are recorded in an improvised way and the characters don't speak very clearly, that's a stylistic decision by the director.
这种情况下，你可能会很难听懂。
And in that case, it might be very hard for you to understand.
另一些电影则有清晰的剧本，录音也很清楚，所以特别容易理解。
Other films will be written with a very clear script and recorded very clearly so that they'll just be easy to understand.
所以。
So
如果你想找一些台词更清楚、更容易听懂的电影，可以看看1960年以前的老片子，一方面是因为当年录音设备差，另一方面是因为那时候的人看电影的习惯不同。
If if you want to try and find some films that that are clearer and easier to understand, look for older films from sort of maybe 1960 and before because because of, one, the poor quality of the sound equipment and, two, just people's experience of watching films.
演员们说话都特别清晰，音量也很大。
They the actors spoke very clearly and very loud as well.
对。
Mhmm.
因此你通常能更容易听懂他们在说什么。
So you can often understand what they're saying a lot more easily.
不过这么做的问题是，他们用的英语可能有点过时了。
The only thing about that is that there's a chance that the the style of English that they're using will be a bit old fashioned.
确实如此。
That's true.
不过我觉得大部分内容你还是能轻松理解的。
But most of it, I think, you should be fine with.
我特别喜欢看四五十代的那些老美国电影。
I do love watching some of those old American movies from the forties or fifties.
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
就是那种黑帮片。
You know, those sort of gangster movies.
你瞧这个。
Now look here.
看到了吗？
See?
这些片子真棒。
They're great.
真的吗？
Really?
你瞧这儿。
Now look here.
我才是那个有钱的人。
I'm the guy with the money.
我知道我做得不是很好，但是
I know I can't really do it very well but
这挺不错的。
I That's pretty
我知道我做得不是很好，但是
good.
是的。
Yeah.
我刚才想说什么来着？
What was I gonna say?
那我本来还想说点别的。
I was gonna say something else then.
我记不起具体是什么了。
I can't remember what it was.
所以你看，我真的没法告诉你哪部电影肯定容易懂，哪部又不容易懂。
Well there you go so really, I can't really tell you which films exactly will be easy to understand and which ones which ones won't.
这完全要看这部电影本身的风格。
It all depends on the style of that particular film.
有一部电影，我是说，嗯。
One film that I have I mean, okay.
我试过找一些适合英语学习者看的电影，但从来没能找到一部人人都能轻松看懂的。
I have some experience of trying to find films which will be easy for learners of English to to understand, and I've never really managed to find one film which was, like, universally understandable.
每部片子的语言都挺难的，用词也很高级。
They've all got rather difficult language in them, rather advanced language.
我倒是找到过一部，叫什么来着？
One film I did find was what's it called?
《Nacho Libre》这部片子，是杰克·布莱克演的一部喜剧，讲的是一个墨西哥摔跤手的故事。
Nacho Libre, which is a Jack Black comedy about a lucha libre wrestler from Mexico.
这部电影之所以容易懂，是因为他在片子里说的是一种混合英语。
And the reason that that's easy to understand is because he speaks a kind of pidgin English in the film.
其实那根本不是地道的英语。
So in fact, it's not really natural English.
更像是一个墨西哥修士在说英语。
It's the sort of English of a Mexican monk.
他努力想说英语。
He's trying to speak English.
努力在说英语。
Trying to speak English.
不过他确实能说比较标准的英语，只是带着很重的墨西哥西班牙口音。
Now he does speak pretty much correct English but with quite a heavy Mexican Spanish accent.
但你听起来一点都不费劲。
But it's very easy to follow.
如果我要给英语水平较低的人放电影，我可能会选这一部，因为大家能听懂，也就更能享受，我希望是这样。
If I was showing a movie to a group of people who had low level of English, I would probably show them that one just because they would be able to understand it and as a result enjoy it, I hope.
不过，哈米德，选什么电影最终还是由你决定，但要是看某些片子没全听懂，也别太在意。
But it's really up to you, Hamid, to choose your films and but don't feel too bad if you don't understand everything in all of the films that you watch.
有时候，导演故意让角色说话含糊不清，这是一种风格上的选择。
It could be a stylistic decision by the director to make the characters rather difficult to understand.
比如《锅匠，裁缝，士兵，间谍》这部电影，主角们不是在大声说话，而是在嘟囔，自言自语，或者彼此低声交谈。
For example, a film like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy is all about guys mumbling to themselves or mumbling to each other.
听不清他们在说什么，其实是导演有意为之，为了营造一种真实感或者神秘氛围。
Not you're not being not being able to hear clearly what they're saying to create an atmosphere of realism or mystery around it.
没错。
Right.
拉杰什留言说，叫我‘卢克大师’——这正是我希望每个人对我的称呼。
Rajesh has written, Master Luke, which is how I expect everyone to address me.
欢迎我们的播客嘉宾。
Hi to the guest of our pod.
嗨，亨利。
Hi, Henry.
你好。
Hello.
大家都喜欢喜剧片，那历史上最经典的喜剧片有哪些？
Everyone likes comedy films, So what are the all time best comedy films?
你最喜欢的喜剧演员是谁，亨利？
And who is your favorite comedian, Henry?
历史上最经典的喜剧片是哪些？
All time best comedy films?
这问题可真不小。
This is this is a big question.
但我特别喜欢这个问题，因为作为喜剧演员，喜剧是我最爱的类型。
And it's a question I love because comedy is my being a comedian as well, comedy is my favorite genre.
我之前提过，我特别喜欢约翰·阿帕图编剧、导演和制作的电影。
As I mentioned before, I love the films that are written, directed, produced by mister John Apatow.
我特别喜欢他那种喜剧风格。
I really like his style of comedy.
比如《王牌播音员》《塔拉迪加之夜》，还有《菠萝快车》——虽然他没直接参与后者。
Some of those include Anchorman, Talladega Nights, Pineapple Express well, he wasn't involved directly.
但他制片了《菠萝快车》，这依然算他的作品。
He produced Pineapple Express, still one of his films.
《一夜大肚》《四十岁的老处男》《四十岁老男孩》《超坏》——这些片子在过去十年左右特别火。
Knocked Up, 40 Year Old Virgin, This is 40, Superbad, all those kind of comedy films that have really become very popular over the past sort of ten years or so.
我也特别喜欢威尔·法瑞尔和亚当·麦凯的作品，对，他们的风格很对我的胃口。
I also love the work of Will Ferrell and Adam McKay Mhmm.
他们偶尔会和约翰·阿帕图合作，像《王牌播音员》《兄弟连》，还有比较早的《宿醉》里的那个酒吧桥段。
Who work with Jon Apatow occasionally as with films like Anchorman, Step Brothers, older films like Night at the Ross Roxbury.
那部片子真不错。
That's a very good one.
超级明星。
Superstar.
他早期的作品真的很出色。
They're very good early Will Ferrell.
你刚才提到威尔·法瑞尔，你觉得怎么样？
Do you think of you mentioned Will Ferrell.
他可以说是如今美国喜剧界最顶尖的明星之一。
He's kind of like one of the big stars of American comedy these days.
那吉姆·凯瑞呢？
What about Jim Carrey?
你对他怎么看？
What do you think of him?
我特别喜欢吉姆·凯瑞。
I I love Jim Carrey.
我觉得他最近被低估了。
I think he gets he gets a very bad time.
他原本是出色的单口喜剧演员，后来顺利转型到电影领域。
He was an amazing stand up comedian, and he transitioned very well to film.
有些电影他可能当时该再斟酌一下，但我觉得在喜剧和剧情片方面，他演得相当不错。
There are some films that maybe he should have thought twice about doing, but I think in terms of comedy dramatic actors he's done very well.
说实话，
To be
我有点私心特别喜欢《神探飞机头》。
honest one of my kind of guilty pleasures is Ace Ventura Pet Detective.
其实我还挺爱看《神探飞机头2》的。
In fact I really love Ace Ventura Pet Detective two.
我还没看过那部。
I haven't even seen that.
《神探飞机头》。其实我喜欢它的原因很简单，剧情完全很蠢，角色也很荒谬，他处境的设定简直闹剧化，但我就是特别喜欢金·凯瑞的表演。真的，不管他演什么，只要是他那种疯狂、充满活力、又酷又傻的风格，我就爱。我就特别喜欢“神探飞机头”这个角色。
When Nature Calls and yet the only reason I like it obviously the storyline is completely stupid the character is ridiculous the situation that he's in is completely farcical but I just love Jim Carrey's performance and really the whole I don't care what he's doing as long as he's being his kind of crazy sort of dynamic and ultra cool ultra goofy Self, I just love Ace Ventura as a character.
他确实是个非常狂野的角色，对，金·凯瑞演起来特别合适。
He's a he's a very he's a very wild character and yeah you can see it very suits Jim Carrey very well.
我觉得这部电影全靠金·凯瑞撑起来的。
I think Jim Carrey really made the film.
当然了。
Oh, definitely.
要是换别人演阿克·文图拉，那片子肯定烂透了。
If anyone else had performed Ace Ventura it would have been awful.
估计直接就扔进录像带垃圾堆了。
It would have been sort of straight to video crap.
但吉姆·凯瑞在这部片里的表演，几乎每一场都笑死人。
But Jim Carrey's performance in that, it's just almost every scene in that film is hilarious.
没错。
Yeah.
这终究是个人看法。
Again, it's a matter of opinion.
你可能看过这部片子，听我这么说会觉得：天啊，阿克·文图拉真是我这辈子看过最差的电影。
You might have seen that and you listening to this you might think, Ace Ventura that was just the worst film I've ever seen in my whole life.
我真没法相信卢克居然觉得这电影不错，不过你也完全有理由这么想，这点我们之前已经说过了。
I can't believe that Luke actually rates that and you're well within your rights to believe that as we've already established.
但我个人特别喜欢他的肢体喜剧。
But personally I love his physical comedy.
我觉得特别棒。
I think it's great.
这算不上什么高深的东西，但有时候看看一个人蹦蹦跳跳的，也挺解压的。
It's not very intellectual stuff No, but sometimes it's fun to just watch a guy jumping around
确实总是很有趣。
always is always is fun
说到底，电影讲的就是动态画面，看吉姆·凯瑞的肢体表演，正是我们爱看电影的原因之一。至于有史以来最伟大的喜剧片，这问题真不好答。
and ultimately movies are about the moving image and watching Jim Carrey's physical comedy is just one of the reasons why we have films Okay, so so the all time greatest comedies it's a very difficult question.
是啊，还有不少老片子呢。
Yeah, that's a there are also older ones.
说实话，我真答不上来。
In all honesty, I can't answer that question.
对。
Yeah.
因为历史上有太多喜剧作品了。
Because there are so many comedies through the ages.
一开始是查理·卓别林、格劳乔·马克斯，还有马克斯兄弟。
I mean, started out with sort of Charlie Chaplin, Groucho, Marx, and Marx Brothers.
马克斯兄弟。
Marx Brothers.
对。
Yeah.
像这样的人还有很多，后来也不断有新的发展。
People like that, and it's progressed.
伍迪·艾伦，是个了不起的喜剧编剧和导演。
Woody Allen, amazing comedy writer and film director.
是的。
Yeah.
所以真要选的话，很难说。
So it's very difficult to say.
我觉得每个人都有自己喜欢的喜剧风格。
I think everyone likes their own style of comedy as well.
对。
Mhmm.
是的。
Yes.
我同意。
I agree.
我还要提一下蒙提·派森。
Again, I would mention Monty Python.
派森。
Python.
没错。
Yes.
我提到《布莱恩的一生》，是因为它总在最伟大的喜剧电影榜单上。
I've mentioned Life of Brian just because it's always in the top list of comedy movies.
另一部是《巨蟒与圣杯》，讲的是亚瑟王寻找圣杯的故事。
And another one is the Monty Python and the Holy Grail, which tells the story of King Arthur searching for the Holy Grail.
但其实剧情本身没那么重要。
But really the storyline is not very important.
整部片子充满了
It's just full of
这不重要。
It doesn't matter.
全是经典的巨蟒喜剧小品。
It's full of classic Monty Python comedy sketches.
这部电影特别搞笑，英国很多人都非常熟悉，能随口背出里面的台词。
It's a very funny film and it's the sort of film that lots of people in England know very well and they can quote lines from it.
还有像《斯宾纳塔普》这样的电影，我说实话，如果你们找来看，我不能保证你们会觉得好笑。
Also a film like Spinal Tap which is I mean it's it's going to be difficult if any of you find Spinal Tap and watch it I can't guarantee that you're going to find it funny.
有时候得慢慢才能体会到它的幽默。
Sometimes it takes a little while to see the humor in it.
它 basically 是一种纪录片，或者说是伪纪录片，也叫摇滚纪录片，讲的是英国一个摇滚乐队的故事。
It's basically a kind of documentary, a mock documentary or rockumentary about a group of, about a British rock band.
他们不是真人。
They're not real.
这些角色都是演员演的。
It's they're played by actors.
它是为了
It's for
这部电影。
the film.
对，没错。
Yeah, exactly.
他们在拍电影时都是即兴发挥的，想象自己就是四个乐手，大部分内容都是现场即兴创作的。
They improvised it for the movie and they imagined that they were four musicians and they just put you know, they improvised most of the film.
它就像一部伪纪录片，记录了一支摇滚乐队的日常，里面全是经典的搞笑桥段。
And it's so it's like a fake documentary following this rock band and it's just full of classic funny moments.
我得再详细说说这个。
I'd have to go into that in more detail.
我其实打算做一系列播客节目，叫《卢克的经典电影片段》。
I'm actually planning to do some episodes of the podcast which would be called Luke's Classic Movie Moments.
这主意太棒了。
Oh, that's brilliant.
节目的想法是，我会选一段电影里的场景，把音频放到播客里，然后给大家讲解一下。
And the idea in that is that I would take a scene from the film and play the scene, the audio on the podcast and then explain that.
你觉得怎么样，听众朋友们？
So what do you think listeners?
你们想听《卢克的经典电影片段》吗？
Do you want to listen to Luke's classic movie moments?
如果感兴趣，就告诉我一声吧。
If you would like that then just let me know.
现在我们已经播到一小时十二分钟了。
We're now at the one hour and twelve minute mark.
这会变成两个播客。
This is going to become two podcasts.
我们继续吧。
Let's keep going.
我们继续吧。
Let's keep going.
咱们再往前推进一点。
Let's keep pushing forwards.
对。
Right.
接下来我们进入福欣的部分，刚才我差点漏掉你了，因为我直接从哈米德跳到了拉杰什。
So we're going to move on to Okay, Fu I nearly missed you there because I jumped from Hamid to Rajesh.
我差点忘了福欣，可不能漏掉她，上次她就没机会问我爸问题。
I'm almost missing Fu Hien and I can't miss her because last time she missed out on asking my dad a question.
她说，太好了。
She said, great.
之前你们做维基百科那期节目，讲我爸爸的，我就漏掉了一些问题。
I have missed questions when you made podcast Wikipedia that was the episode about my dad.
现在我可以补上一个问题：什么样的电影才算优秀？
Now I can add a question what makes a film excellent?
一部出色的电影，关键要素有哪些？
What are the crucial elements for making an excellent film?
这个问题问得真好，Fu Hien。
That is an excellent question Fu Hien.
对我来说，最重要的就是故事。
For me, I would say it's all about the story.
如果没有好故事，那电影就立不起来。
If you don't have a good story, you don't have a good film.
人物也很重要。
A part of that is the characters as well.
人物和故事其实是一体的，它们共同构成了电影的核心。
Characters and story can kind of be clumped together because they all make up the same thing.
这完全是好莱坞拍电影的思维模式。
That's a very much a Hollywood mindset of making films.
好莱坞电影最初就是这么做的，也正是因此才这么成功。
That's what the Hollywood films were initially about and why they became so successful.
所以在我看来，好故事才能成就好电影，而这种故事可以是世界上任何类型的故事。
So, yeah, in my mind a good story makes a good film and that can be any type of story that you can ever think of in the world.
明白了。
Okay.
所以说，好故事。
So a good story.
没错。
Yes.
我的意思是，你同意这个观点吗？
What I mean, what do you do you agree?
我觉得拍出一部真正出色的电影非常难，需要很多因素共同作用。
I think it's very difficult to make a really excellent film, and I think a lot of elements need to to come together.
我完全同意。
I totally agree.
好故事能牢牢抓住观众。
Good story keeps you keeps you gripped.
有转折、有惊喜的故事特别棒。
A story with twists and turns or surprises in it is brilliant.
我特别喜欢那种让人沉浸其中、突然就猜不到下一步会怎样的故事。
I love those stories that pull you in where where you suddenly think I really don't know what's gonna happen next.
我就爱这种感觉。
I love that.
但同时，角色也得塑造得特别扎实。
But also you need like really well well created characters.
角色要有深度，让人关心他们，想知道他们心里在想什么，要有立体感。
Characters with depth where you care about them and you you wonder what they're thinking and so characters with three dimensions to them.
剧本也特别重要。
Also the script is really important.
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是的
Yeah.
剧本得干脆利落，对白要幽默，语言还得自然地道。
Has to be like snappy script with like funny dialogue and you know really good natural use of language.
表演也很关键，比如《阿呆闯天关》就是个例子。
Also the acting performances for me like you know you could I mean as an example Ace Ventura.
没错。
Exactly.
虽然它大部分元素都不够到位——故事一般，角色也单薄，但正是表演撑起了整部电影。
It doesn't have most of the elements are not there you know it's got a story the characters are two dimensional but the acting performance is really what makes the film.
这往往也离不开一位出色的导演。
And that often comes from having a great director as well.
毕竟，导演的职责就是把演员的潜力激发出来。
Because it's the director's job ultimately to bring the performance out of the actors.
所以，如果导演和演员都优秀，那这部电影就完美了。
So if you have a good director and good actors, that's a perfect film.
好吧。
Okay.
所以就是这样了。
So there you go.
这些要素已经列出来了。
There's some of the elements down.
我的意思是，实际情况比这更复杂。
I mean, it's more complicated than that.
说白了，就是把所有跟电影有关的东西都凑在一起。
It's pretty much just a a collection of everything.
任何你能想到的跟电影相关的东西。
Anything you can possibly think of to do with a film.
只要做得好，就能让
If it's good, it makes
整部片子听起来很棒。
it sound excellent.
对。
Mhmm.
拍出好电影一定很难。
Must be very difficult to make good films.
这需要团队合作。
It's a collaboration.
没错吧？
Isn't it?
尤其是像《哈利·波特》这样的电影，光是拍摄现场就有上千人参与，还没算上之后成百上千的后期人员。
Well, especially when some films like the Harry Potter films, they'll have a crew of over a thousand people working on one film just on the set, then they haven't hundreds that work on it after and Yeah.
还有前期的。
Before.
真是够疯狂的。
So it's crazy.
但也有独立电影，可能就十来个人在做。
But then there are some independent films that have maybe ten, fifteen people working on them.
我能想象那些有成千上万人参与的大制作电影。
I can imagine these massive films with thousands of people working on them.
我的意思是，每个人的工作都直接影响着电影的最终成果。
I mean really like each person is responsible for the outcome of that film.
所以大家必须齐心协力，把各自的事情做到最好。
So everyone has to work together and do their best job.
而且所有人还得朝着同一个方向努力。
And also they have to be going in the same direction.
因此，制片人或者导演必须清楚地把他们的想法传达给整个团队，把大家凝聚在一起。
So the producer or director of the film has to somehow communicate to everyone on the team exactly what he wants that he needs to bring them in.
导演这个角色太关键了，得能激励每个人发挥出最佳水平。
So it's an incredibly important job that the director you've got to inspire everyone to do their best work.
制片人当然也参与其中。
The producer is involved in that too, of course.
Kohei 问好。
Kohei has asked, hi.
你能不能问他一下关于戛纳电影节的事？
I'd like you to ask him about the Cannes Film Festival.
当然，也听听你的看法。
Of course, your opinion too.
今年有一部日本电影获奖了。
Japanese a Japanese movie was awarded this year.
你对这件事有什么看法？在你看来，戛纳和其他电影节最大的区别在哪里？
So any comments on that anything or tell us what decisive factor of the difference between the Cannes and other movie festivals from your points of view.
所以你的意思是，好吧，
So what do you okay right so
把问题说清楚。
question down.
我们来一步步分析。
Let's break it down.
好的。
Alright.
今年有一部日本电影在戛纳电影节获奖了。
So a Japanese film was awarded at the Cannes Film Festival this year.
是的。
Yes.
这部电影叫《如父如子》。
It was it was called Like Father Like Son.
日文原名就是‘如父如子’的意思。
And the Japanese title was, which means like father, like son.
我们推测。
We think.
我们也是这么认为的。
We we assume that's what it means.
故事讲的是一位商人发现，自己亲生的儿子出生时被抱错了，他必须做出一个改变人生的决定：选择亲生骨肉，还是把他养大的孩子。
And it's about businessman who learns that his biological son was in fact switched with another child after birth and he must make a life changing decision and choose his true son or the boy he raised as his own.
这是一部心理惊悚片。
So it's a sort of psychological thriller.
这是一部以人物为核心的电影。
It's a character, a character film.
是的。
Yeah.
讲的是那种特别艰难的抉择，对吧？
It's about like what's it's about one of those very difficult like a difficult decision movie isn't it?
没错。
Yeah.
想象一下，你养大了一个男孩，真心爱他，一直以为他是你的亲生儿子，可几年后你却发现，他其实不是你的孩子，而是被抱错的另一个孩子。
Imagine if you brought up a boy and you loved him and you believed him to be your own son, and then a few years later you realized that in fact he's not your son and that he's been switched with another boy.
这故事听起来真引人入胜。
Sounds like a fascinating story.
确实如此。
It does.
我知道它今年在戛纳获得了评审团奖，还提名了金棕榈奖。
And I know it won the the jury's award award at Cannes this year and was nominated for the Palme d'Or Yeah.
那是最重要的奖项，所以这部电影一定非常出色。
Which is the big main prize, so it must be excellent.
我还没看过，但既然拿了评审团奖，从影评人的角度看，这肯定是一部很有分量的影片。
I haven't seen it myself, but if it won the jury's award it means it's a very prestigious film from a critic's point of view.
这是一部给影评人看的电影，就是那些专门分析电影的人。
It's a film for film critics, the people who analyze film.
对。
Mhmm.
所以制作一定非常精良。
So it must be very well made.
是的。
Yeah.
我知道男主角是一位非常有名的日本演员，演过几部在日本很成功的电影。
And I know the main actor is a very famous Japanese actor who's been in a few successful films in Japan.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
我们看看。
Let's see.
我们看看。
Let's see.
我们看看。
Let's see.
好的。
Okay.
哎呀，我把Facebook给弄丢了。
Oh, I've I've lost Facebook on my life.
你觉得戛纳电影节怎么样？
What do we think about Cannes Film Festival?
好，咱们简单说，或者尽量快一点。
Well, what's the let's let's say very briefly or in a in a as quickly as
对。
yeah
尽量快一点。戛纳电影节和奥斯卡金像奖最基本的区别是什么？
a quicker way as possible What's the basic difference between Cannes Film Festival and the Academy Awards or the Oscars?
好，电影节是一个持续大概一周、两周或者更长时间的系列活动，至少有一天。期间会放映很多电影，这也是电影业内人士社交、结交同行朋友的机会，大家还可以借此推销自己的电影，或者为正在制作中的电影提供相关服务。
Okay, so a film festival is a an event that takes place over maybe a week or a couple of weeks or an extended period of time a day at least, where many many films will be screened and it's also an opportunity for people within the film industry to network, to to make friends with other film people and also for people to sell their films and sell their services to films being made.
通常还会涉及到某种形式的评审和颁奖环节。
Also involved in that often is some form of prize judgment and awards.
而奥斯卡呢，纯粹是一个颁奖典礼，用来表彰当年制作的电影。获奖者是由评委团选出的，这个评委团由一群人组成，不过人数还挺多的。
The Oscars on the other hand are simply an award ceremony to recognize films that have been made that year, and it's chosen by jury, a group of people, but it's a rather large committee of people.
所以主要是电影评论家，是的。
So film critics and Yeah.
就是这类人来决定谁最终能拿到所有奖项。
People like that who choose choose who wins all the awards.
是的。
Yeah.
戛纳电影节和其他电影节的主要区别在于，它历史悠久，已经变得非常有声望。
And the main difference between Cannes and other film festivals is just simply because it's been running for a long time and it's become very prestigious.
并没有什么特别的原因让它一定更高级。
There's no reason necessarily why it's more prestigious.
只是随着时间推移，它积累起了这样的声誉：在戛纳表现好的电影，通常都被认为非常出色。
It's just over time, it's developed a reputation of films that do well at Cannes Yeah.
一般来说，能在戛纳获奖的影片都被视为顶尖之作。
Are generally renowned to be very good.
所以本质上，戛纳电影节就是一小群评委每年聚在一起，同时观看所有参赛影片，然后决定哪一部最出色。
So essentially, like the Cannes Festival is just a very small group of judges who get together once a year and they all watch the same movies at the same time and then they make a decision on which one was their best.
而奥斯卡则是好莱坞一年中最盛大的时刻。
Whereas the Oscars is really like Hollywood's big moment of the year.
它更像是好莱坞精英圈的盛会，我想评委大概有多少人？
It's like the Hollywood elite, I think it's like how many judges?
我不太清楚。
I don't know.
人非常多。
It's a very very big group.
人数很多。
Large number of people.
主要是记者和影评人，
Journalists and critics and
他们会先选出一部短片名单，然后投票选出他们认为该拿最佳奖项的影片，
They're a short list of films and then they vote for which films they think should win the best category,
你知道的，所以，
you know, So
奥斯卡本质上是好莱坞犒赏人才的机会，
really like the Hollywood, the Oscars is a chance for Hollywood to just sort of like reward people.
这并不是整个行业表彰人才的时刻。
It's not the industry's moment to reward people.
而影评人奖则更认真地考量他们认为哪部影片才是最佳的。
Whereas Can is really the critics chance to like more seriously consider which they think is the best film.
没错。
Exactly.
另一个区别是，奥斯卡非常聚焦于好莱坞和美国电影，毕竟它是个美国的颁奖典礼。
And also another difference is the Oscars is very much focused on Hollywood, an American film because it's an American award ceremony.
比如英国有个BAFTA奖，法国则有凯撒奖。
For instance, you have the the BAFTAs in The UK and the Cesar Awards in France.
对的。
Mhmm.
但电影节不一样，不管在哪儿举办，都向全球所有影片开放。
Whereas film festivals, no matter where they are, are open to everyone from around the world.
所以你经常看到美国电影在戛纳表现得很出色。
That's why you often see American films doing well in Cannes.
你也会看到欧洲电影在美国的电影节，比如西南偏南，或者其他的影展上大放异彩。
You'll see European films doing very well in festivals in America such as South by Southwest or any
还有圣丹斯。
other Sundance.
圣丹斯，对，没错。
Sundance yeah exactly.
我那时候突然脑子一片空白。
My mind went blank then.
试试贝克汉姆，那也是一个。
Try Beckham that's another one.
亨利在做什么？
Are doing Henry?
我很好。
I'm very good.
你才十九岁。
You're 19.
我还年轻，精力充沛。
I'm young and sprightly.
精力充沛。
Full of energy.
好的，谢谢，你请说。
Okay right so thanks go ahead.
你知道吗，这太荒唐了，我们聊着聊着消息还在不断进来，我担心一到七点就得停，那真是我们的截止时间了。
You know this is ridiculous because the messages keep coming in as we're doing this so I'm afraid when it hits seven that's absolutely our cut off Should
我们先看看，挑出最喜欢的吧？
we have a look and pick our favorites?
我不确定这样公平不。
I don't know if that's fair.
我觉得我们干脆直接
Think that we should just
尽力就好。
try our best.
我们是不是尽量让回答保持
Should we try and keep the answers a
有点短吗？
bit short?
从现在开始，答案尽量控制在一分钟左右。
Let's keep the answers to about a minute from now on.
好吗？
Okay?
我们开始吧。
Let's go.
我这儿有个计时器。
I've got a timer somewhere.
你有手表，也有手机。
You've a watch, You got your phone.
哦，我刚才说了一秒。
Oh, I said one second.
对。
Yes.
你直接看我的手表就行。
You can just look at my watch.
好的。
Okay.
行吧。
Alright.
我觉得有个嘀嗒响的计时器挺不错的。
I quite like the idea of something that goes beep.
好。
Okay.
我手表戴着呢。
Well, can I've got my watch.
行。
Alright.
好了。
There we go.
这个会发出滴声。
This is this is gonna go beep.
这个会发出滴声。
This is this is gonna go beep.
好的。
Okay.
行了。
Alright.
我们来看看。
Let's see
看看能不能坚持一分钟。
if we can do it for one minute.
我们要不要轮流来？
Do you want to take it in turns?
是的。
Yeah.
那我们开始吧。
Let's go for it.
你可以。
So you can
这么做。
do this.
对。
Yeah.
如果你问我一个问题。
If you ask me a question.
好。
Okay.
我来问你一个问题。
I'll ask you question.
豪尔赫·路易斯·桑切斯·冈萨雷斯说：嗨，怪物。
So Jose Luis Sanchez Gonzalez says, hi monster.
怪物。
Monster.
真好奇他干嘛叫我怪物。
Wonder why he's calling me a monster.
也许我是英语界的怪物。
Maybe I'm a monster of English.
这是我的问题。
Here here you have my questions.
你能推荐几部容易听懂的电影吗？有助于提高我们的英语听力。
Could you tell us a few titles of movies which could be easy to understand for improving our level of English listening?
你觉得学英语时，看哪种电影效果最好？
Which do you think that could be the best way to watch movies for learning English?
该用原版字幕，还是用我们自己语言的字幕？
With original subtitles or with subtitles in our own language?
我可以问这个吗？
Can I take this one?
如果你愿意的话。
If you want.
没错。
Right.
好的。
Okay.
所以，何塞，我之前已经提过，要找特别容易听懂的电影其实很难。
So Jose, I've mentioned already that it's very difficult to identify movies which are very easy to understand.
有部电影叫《纳乔 Libre》，但他说话带着墨西哥口音，我猜你更想听地道的英式英语。
There's Nacho Libre but, you know, he speaks with a sort of Mexican accent and I'm sure you want to hear real British English.
所以，别纠结电影了，直接听卢克的英语播客吧。
So, you know, just listen to Luke's English podcast, never mind movies.
就听这个就行。
Just listen to this.
但你看电影的时候该不该开字幕呢？
But should you watch with subtitles or not?
我觉得你可以分阶段来。
Well, I think you should do it in stages.
第一阶段，先看一部英文电影，配上你母语的字幕。
First stage is probably to just watch a film in English with subtitles in your language.
对吧？
Right?
第一阶段。
Stage one.
第二阶段，再看一遍这部电影，这次用英文字幕。
Stage two, watch the film again in English with subtitles in English.
明白吗？
Alright?
然后第三阶段，也是最后一步，干脆不看字幕，直接看原片。
Then stage three, the final stage maybe, is to watch the film with no subtitles at all.
好了。
Okay.
现在来看，第一阶段主要是帮你理解电影内容，享受观影过程。
Now it's very I think the first stage is so you understand the film and enjoy it.
第二阶段是让你看到单词实际说出来时的样子，这样能帮你更好地识别出常用的词汇。
Second stage is so that you can actually see the words as they're coming out and it's a good way of like actually identifying words which are being used.
你可以对比听到的和看到的有什么不同。
You can compare the difference between what you're hearing and what you're seeing.
第三阶段对提升听力特别有帮助，因为如果一直依赖字幕，你很难真正适应现实场景——毕竟现实中和人说话时，谁也不会给你配字幕。
And the third stage is really just good for your listening because if you just use subtitles all the time it's not going to prepare you that much for real real life because when you talk to people in the real world they don't have subtitles.
真的不会。
We don't.
这最终还是得看你的英语水平。
So really depends on your level of English.
不靠字幕听确实更难，但从长远来看，这么做对提升英语更有好处。
It's harder to listen without subtitles, but you should probably do it better for your English in the long run.
天哪，我都说了分半钟了。
Damn, I did one and a half minutes.
哦，卢克。
Oh, Luke.
不过你刚才答得不错，我想补充一点，就是在我们大学的电影学院，不管影片是什么语言，我们都会配上字幕来看。
But that was a good answer and I I want to add that even in film school in my university, we watch films with whatever language it's in subtitles on the screen.
我觉得影评人圈里这也很常见，真的吗？
And I think that's common practice with critics Really?
也是这样。
As well.
是的。
Yes.
所以你是看西班牙语电影时，用西班牙语原声配上西班牙语字幕？
So you you watch a Spanish film in Spanish with Spanish
字幕？
subtitles?
我会说西班牙语，但举个例子，因为我们大部分课程都是用英语授课的。
I could I speak Spanish, but say for instance in English because most of our classes are taught in English.
即使房间里所有人都英语流利，我们99%的情况下还是会开着英文字幕，没错。
Even if everyone in the room speaks perfect English, we'll 99% of the time still have English subtitles Okay.
对。
Yeah.
就这么办。
On it.
是的。
Yeah.
这个也是。
That as well.
没错。
Yeah.
我完全同意，如果你看一部电影是为了好好欣赏它，就应该听原声版本。
I absolutely agree with that that that if you're watching a film just to appreciate it, you should have you should listen to it in its original language.
不应该听配音版。
You shouldn't listen to a dubbed version.
绝不可能。
Oh never.
绝对不要看配音版本。
Never ever watch dubbed versions.
好的。
Okay.
这就是我的看法。
That's my comment.
好的。
Okay.
下一个问题是问你的，来自小林健。
Next question is for you And it's from Ken Yorioka.
他说：嗨，卢克。
And he says Hi Luke.
这里是亨利。
In this case, Henry.
是的
Yeah.
咱们换个角度聊聊电影。
Here's a question from a different angle of movies.
你觉得爆米花是什么时候成为电影院标志性小吃的？为什么？
When do you think popcorn became a symbol food of movie theaters and why?
那爆米花是怎么变成电影标配零食的呢？
So what's the origin of popcorn as the movie food?
你觉得英国哪种小吃能代替爆米花？
And what British food do you think would replace popcorn?
别说是炸鱼薯条。
Don't say fish and chips.
你想到
You got
我不会说炸鱼薯条。
I won't say fish and chips.
你大概知道一点，嗯，
You got about one Well,
肯，说实话，我也不太清楚 popcorn 什么时候成了电影院的象征。
Ken, I would in all honesty, I don't know exactly when popcorn became the symbol of the theater and the cinema.
我觉得应该是在上世纪四五十代，那时候去电影院看电影是美国人最流行的社交活动。
I would say it was when it became popular in America in the forties and fifties going to the cinema, going to the movie theater was the most popular social activity to do.
我知道最早的时候，电影院卖的是完整的餐食，比如汉堡和热狗，但后来这些越来越没人买了。
I know at the beginning they sold more complete meals like hamburgers and hotdogs at the cinemas that became less and less popular as time went on.
我想大概是在五十年代，popcorn 才真正成了看电影时吃的标配零食。
I guess it must be in the nineteen fifties, I would say, that the popcorn became the food to eat at the movie theater.
至于能代替 popcorn 的英国食物，我真说不上来。
In terms of an English food that could replace popcorn, I don't know exactly.
大概是薯片吧，比如 Walker's 薯片。
Probably crisps, Walker's crisps.
你也这么觉得吗？
You think so?
或者来个不错的培根三明治。
Or a nice bacon sandwich.
我喜欢培根三明治。
I like a bacon sandwich.
这特别英式。
It's very British.
我会在电影院吃培根三明治。
I would take a bacon sandwich at the cinema.
砰。
Bang.
正好是59秒零51。
That was fifty nine seconds point five one.
你太准了。
You nailed it.
时机拿捏得刚刚好。
Very good timing.
你太厉害了。
You're very good.
我刚才想说啥来着？
What was I gonna say?
我本来想说薯片的，因为薯片挺脆的。
I was gonna say crisps really because crisps It's bit crunchy.
不过爆米花也挺脆的。
I but so is popcorn.
薯片肯定比爆米花声音大，因为袋子
Crisps is more noisy than popcorn surely because the bag
不对。
No.
你可以把薯片
You could put Chris
装进像爆米花那样的盒子里。
in a box like a popcorn box.
好的，亨利，你听我说。
Okay Henry tell me this.
假设你正在看电影，看的是一部特别严肃的片子，你全神贯注，连每个字都想听清楚，结果你身后的人却在弄出这种声音。
If you're in a movie right, you're watching a very serious film, you're listening very carefully, you're trying to understand every single word and then the person behind you is doing this.
就是这种声音。
This.
你肯定会被惹毛了。
Would get rather annoyed.
你会怎么跟他说？
What would you say?
我会很客气地请他把零食收起来。
I would say to the very kindly can you please put those questions away.
哦，不好意思。
Oh, sorry.
要来一点吗？
Would you like some?
我的意思是，我不会拒绝。
I mean, I wouldn't say no.
所以我们现在是在聊天，没错。
So we're now having a conversation Exactly.
在
In the
然后就会变得特别尴尬。
So then we get very awkward.
对。
Yeah.
但关键是爆米花，我就拿一个吧。
But the thing is popcorn could I'll just take one.
挺好吃的。
They're nice.
好。
K.
你知道吗？
You know what?
我们现在一边吃一边说，嘴里还塞着东西，这样可不太好。
We're now eating with our with our talking talking with our mouths full, so we shouldn't do that.
这太没礼貌了。
That's very rude.
这就是为什么如果他们开始说话，听起来会显得很奇怪。
It's just giving this is why it would sound like if they started talking
看电影的时候也是这样。
while watching the film as well.
对。
Yeah.
不过克里斯倒是可以像爆米花一样装进纸盒里，我想。
But Chris could be put in a paper box like popcorn, I suppose.
这真是个难题。
It's it's it's difficult one.
有什么英国食物特别适合在电影院吃吗？
What British food could could be perfect in the cinema?
这其实挺难回答的，因为英国菜嘛，说真的，不太适合。
Well, it's it's a kind of difficult question because British food is not, you know, it's not It's
通常又乱又占地方，吃起来麻烦。
often messy and takes up a lot of plates and things.
还得不臭、不吵，最好能一口一口不停地吃，陪一部好电影。
And it has to be something that's not very smelly, not very noisy, something that you could just eat like over and over and over again during a great film.
也许可以吃饼干。
Maybe biscuits.
饼干。
Biscuits.
这主意不错。
There you go.
饼干配点牛奶，吃饼干总得有牛奶才行。
Biscuits and a and a and some milk because you need the milk with the biscuits.
我蘸着吃。
I'll dip it in.
就是这样。
There you go.
没错。
Exactly.
一些饼干。
Some biscuits.
就是这样。
There you go.
对。
Right.
准备好了吗？下一个问题。
You ready for the next question?
好了。
Yeah.
准备好了。
Ready.
我准备好回答下一个问题了。
I'm ready for the next question.
你想
You want
读一下吗？
read it?
好。
Yes.
这个问题来自罗姆·海恩，其实包含两个小问题，每个你可以说三十秒。
This question is from Rom Hain and it's two questions in one so you can do thirty seconds each.
对最近昆汀的电影《Jingle Unchained》有什么看法？
Thoughts about the latest Tarantino movie, Jingle Unchained?
对。
Yeah.
另外，你觉得克里斯蒂安·贝尔是个好演员吗？
And also is Christian Bale a good actor in your opinion?
所以我得两个问题都答吗？我刚才说的是...
So do I have to do both of these in in I a did
因为我本来就想问两个问题。
because I had two questions in mind.
你没说要两个都答。
You didn't you didn't.
那你随便说说你的想法就行。
Then you can you can just just your thoughts.
我就简单说一下。
I'll just
那就打破规则吧。
break the rules.
来吧。
Let's go.
好的。
Okay.
没错。
Right.
所以，我用最后三十秒说说对昆汀最新电影的看法。
So my thoughts about the latest Tarantino movie in the in the last thirty seconds.
我觉得这部电影真的不错。
Well, I I thought it was really good.
我特别特别喜欢。
I really, really enjoyed it.
我觉得昆汀最棒的作品应该是《低俗小说》和《杰基布朗》。
I think Tarantino's best work is probably Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown.
至于《杀死比尔》，我其实没那么感冒，这只是我个人的看法。
And then Kill Bill, I wasn't that impressed by that, just my own opinion.
《杀死比尔》之后，他拍了《死亡证据》，对吧？
And then after Kill Bill, he did Death Proof, didn't he?
那部电影我觉得根本就是垃圾，我真的不喜欢。
Which was just I think it was rubbish in my I I didn't like it.
后来他拍了《无耻混蛋》，在我看来好太多了，当然也不是完美无缺。
And then he came back with Inglourious Basterds, which was was much better in my opinion, not perfect by any means.
然后是《被解救的姜戈》，不，等等。
And then Django Unchained, no.
我真的很喜欢那部电影。
I really enjoyed it.
我觉得特别刺激，也很搞笑，剧本出色，表演到位，当然暴力场面很多，有人觉得这是缺点，太血腥了。
I thought it was really exciting and very funny, great script, great performances, very violent of course which some people say is a negative point, a bit too violent in some people's opinions.
但我还是每一分钟都看得特别过瘾。
But no, I loved every minute of it.
我觉得最后一幕有点多余。
I thought the last scene was a little bit unnecessary.
有个地方是昆汀·塔伦蒂诺自己出镜，演了个特别蹩脚的澳大利亚口音。
There's a moment where Quentin Tarantino turns up himself doing a very bad Australian accent.
他总是
He always
在他的电影里都这么干。
does that in his film.
我就想，他干嘛要这么做？
I just thought why did he do that?
不过这其实也是观影乐趣的一部分。
But that's kind of part of the fun really.
这正是他的风格。
That's part of his style.
所以我非常喜欢这部电影。
So I liked it very much.
克里斯蒂安·贝尔是个好演员吗？
Is Christian Bale, is he a good actor?
是啊，确实不错。
Yeah, do.
我觉得他是个非常出色的演员。
I think he's a very good actor.
没错，我确实这么觉得。
Yeah, I really think so.
他是方法派演员，对吧？
He's a method actor, isn't he?
他真的会全身心投入到角色里。
So he really gets he really throws himself into the role completely.
他为了演戏，曾在哥谭市住了一年。
He moved to Gotham City for a year.
没错。
Exactly.
为了演好蝙蝠侠，他真的培养出了对蝙蝠的恐惧。
He learned he developed a genuine fear of bats Yeah.
这样才能把蝙蝠侠演得真实。
In order to perform Batman effectively.
是的。
Yeah.
他杀了他父亲。
Killed his dad.
他
He
杀了父亲。
killed father.
蝙蝠侠会杀了自己的父亲吗？
His Did does Batman kill his own?
不会。
No.
他没有父亲。
He doesn't he doesn't have a father.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Exactly.
所以他是个很棒的演员。
Like so he's a great actor.
我觉得他真的很出色。
I think he's really good.
我觉得他在《蝙蝠侠》里的配音特别打动我。
I think I was very impressed by his voice in Batman.
就是那种‘我是蝙蝠侠’的腔调。
You know, the kind of I'm Batman kind of thing.
我不明白他是怎么做到的。
I don't know how he managed to do that.
也许他每天抽很多烟。
Maybe he smokes lots of cigarettes every day.
很可能。
Probably.
不会。
No.
我觉得他是个很棒的演员，在《蝙蝠侠》里演得特别好。
I think he's a great actor and he was very good in Batman.
人也很不错。
Also a very nice person.
不过他确实曾经情绪崩溃过。
Although he did have a bit of a meltdown.
是发生过。
Did have
情绪崩溃。
a meltdown.
我记得那件事。
I remember that.
这事改天再说吧。
That's another story for another time.
对，刚说了两分钟。
Right, that was two minutes.
我讲得不太好。
I can't do this very well.
我太啰嗦了。
I'm far too verbose.
我刚才扯远了。
I've rambled.
我觉得你是这样。
I think you are.
你确实啰嗦，吉姆。
You're verbose, Jim.
有时候我就是停不下来。
I can't stop talking sometimes.
好的，下一个问题是来自卡里姆的。
Right, next question is from Karim.
卡里姆问，你同意《公民凯恩》是二十世纪最伟大的电影吗？
And Karim says, do you agree that Citizen Kane is the best film made in the twentieth century?
亨利，你来说。
Henry, go.
好的。
Okay.
这个问题其实挺复杂的。
This is a very, complex question.
就我个人而言，我不这么认为。
Me personally, I would say no.
我当然看过，也特别喜欢这部片子。
Just because I've I've seen it obviously and I love it.
它确实是一部很棒的电影。
It's a great film.
从技术层面来看，考虑到它拍摄时的时代背景，确实很了不起。
It's technically technically considering the context of it, time it was made.
对。
Yes.
它确实是那个时代最出色的电影。
It's the best film made.
但对我来说，它并不是二十世纪最让人享受的电影。
But to me, it's not the most entertaining film made in the twentieth century.
我觉得《出租车司机》这样的片子更好。
Think Taxi Driver, prefer.
我更喜欢九十年代的很多电影，比如《低俗小说》，塔伦蒂诺早期的作品真的很棒。
I prefer a lot of films from the nineties like pulp fiction, Tarantino's early work, is great.
不过从摄影角度、镜头运用这些技术层面来说，确实没得说。
But in terms of technically the camera angles used, the shots used, yes.
从这个角度看，它完全有理由被称为二十世纪最伟大的电影。
It probably could be argued as the best film of the twentieth century.
但再说一遍，这是个完全主观的问题，答案也特别主观。
But again, it's a completely subjective question with a very subjective answer.
这不就得了。
There you go.
搞定。
Boom.
五十秒。
Fifty seconds.
比我简洁多了。
Much more concise than me.
嘿，亨利。
Hey, Henry.
你是在跟我说话吧。
You're talking to me.
你是在跟
You're talking to
你知道吗，那段其实是即兴发挥的。
You know, that that was improvised.
真的吗？
Really?
是的。
Yeah.
完全是因为他看到布鲁斯·斯普林斯汀在演唱会上对着自己说话。
Completely after he saw Bruce Springsteen talking to himself on stage in a concert.
对。
Yeah.
马丁·斯科塞斯让他对着镜子自言自语，结果就蹦出了影史上最有名的一句台词之一。
And he was instructed by Martin Scorsese to just talk to himself in the mirror, and that's what came out one of the most famous movie lines in
二十世纪最经典的台词之一。
the twentieth century.
我们说的当然是《出租车司机》里的场景，罗伯特·德尼罗对着镜子问：‘你是在跟我说话吗？’
We're talking of course about a scene from the movie Taxi Driver in which Robert De Niro looks at himself in the mirror and says you talking to me?
就是那个表情。
With the face.
是的。
Yeah.
好吧。
Okay.
我在大皇宫看过《出租车司机》。
I saw Taxi Driver in the in the Grand Palais.
是吗？
Did you?
那天是星期五。
It was Friday.
对。
Yeah.
感觉怎么样？
How is it?
不过那个布景呢？
The setup though?
特别棒。
It's just great.
一开始光线有点弱。
It was a bit light at the beginning.
因为太阳还没落山的时候，你能看到光影特别美。
Because the sun before the sun went down, you can see the sleep think very
就是那样。
it's going to that.
这可能是我这辈子最爱的电影。
Possibly my favorite film of all time.
是的。
Yeah.
其实挺有意思的。
It's actually fun.
这事儿改天再聊吧。
It's another story for another time as well.
对。
Right.
所以是Apten。
So Apten.
对。
Right.
Apten。
Apten.
最后一个俄文字母是什么？
What's the last Russian letter?
我觉得是俄语。
I think it's Russian.
那是西里尔字母。
It's Cyrillic.
我不确定现在还有没有人这么念。
I don't know if it's still pronounced.
随便吧。
Whatever.
说得对。
That's true.
Aptem。
Aptem.
他想问，英国或美国的人对俄罗斯电影熟悉吗？
He wants to ask, are people in The UK or The US familiar with Russian movies?
你看过这些片子吗？
Did you watch any of these?
对了，如果觉得我名字难念，我叫Ottie。
By the way, if you find my name difficult to pronounce, it's Ottie.
好的。
Okay.
我本该先读一下的。
Probably should have read that first.
我确实该先读的。
I should have done.
你看，我们现在说到重点了，这些消息是——
See, we're getting to the point where these are messages which These
是新收到的消息。
are new messages.
这些是在我们开始录音之前就收到了的，那些是之后收到的。
These are ones which have arrived before they they've arrived after we started recording.
真正的重点是。
The real Yeah.
来听听你的回答。
Let's hear your answer.
那英国人对俄罗斯电影熟悉吗？
So are the people in The UK familiar with Russian movies?
据我所知，我们这儿并不怎么熟悉。
We're not really as far as I'm aware.
我真的觉得我们不太了解。
I really don't think we are.
可能有少数人知道。
Maybe a few.
最近好像有两部电影，叫《日蚀》和《夜蚀》。
I think recently there was a couple of sort of films called Day Watch and Night Watch.
对。
Yes.
那是两部俄罗斯拍的吸血鬼电影。
And they they were Russian films about vampires.
我没看过，但听说拍得特别棒。
I didn't see them myself, but apparently they were really good.
据说有一场特技戏，车直接垂直往上爬大楼，挺震撼的。
There's an amazing action scene involving a car driving vertically up a a building, I think.
哦。
Oh.
不过嘛，我真没看过这些片子。
Anyway, I I haven't seen them.
除了《日巡者》和《夜巡者》之外，我觉得我们对俄罗斯电影还真不太了解。
But other than those films, Day Watch and Night Watch, no, I don't think we are familiar with Russian films.
其实最近我去听脱口秀，认识了一个俄罗斯人，我当时还模仿了罗伯特·德尼罗的口音。
In fact, I met a Russian guy at a stand up gig recently, and I was doing my bad Robert De Niro impression.
我就问他，能给我举几个俄罗斯电影明星吗？说实话，他根本没听懂我说啥——其实我也说不上来几个俄罗斯明星，更说不上来什么有名的俄罗斯电影。
And I asked him can you tell me of some Russian movie stars and well he to be honest he didn't understand what I say to him but I don't know any Russian movie stars and I don't really know any big Russian movies.
《战舰波将金号》那部是俄罗斯电影吗？
Know the Battleship Is that Russian film?
我不清楚。
I don't know.
很可能不是。
It could easily not be.
不可能是。
Could not be.
就是这点。
That's the thing.
我不想去说它其实是
Don't want to say that it's
差别实在太大了。
It's so disparate.
我不敢说《战舰波将金号》是俄罗斯电影，因为我很可能搞错了。
I don't want to say that the Battleship Potemkin is a Russian film because I could easily be wrong.
所以，阿蒂，我真的不太了解俄罗斯电影，我觉得英国人也一样不熟，抱歉啊。
So I'm afraid Arty, no I don't really know many Russian films and I don't think people in The UK do either so sorry we don't.
你该给我们推荐几部看看。
You should tell us something to watch.
我一定看。
I'll watch them.
给咱们推荐一部吧。
Yeah Give us a recommendation.
就它了。
Boom.
一分二十一秒。
One minute twenty one.
还不错。
Not bad.
越来越好了。
Getting better.
行。
Okay.
下一个。
Next one.
玛丽安娜·拉米雷斯问：你们怎么看法国电影的刻板印象？
Mariana Ramirez says, what do you think about stereotypes of French movies?
我特别喜欢法国电影，但说实话，有些片子的剧情我真没看懂。
I really love French movies, but I must admit I couldn't understand the plot of some movies.
为什么导演和剧情总搞得这么晦涩难懂？
Why do directors and plots get so hard to understand?
看看这个恶搞视频，把法国电影的老套桥段全集锦了，她还从YouTube上截了片段。
See this parody with the cliches of French movies and she's included a video clip from YouTube.
行了。
Alright.
电影里的法国刻板印象，你真能看懂法国电影吗？
French stereotypes in movies and do you understand French movies?
咱们开始吧。
Let's go.
至于法国刻板印象，其实很多是法国人自己，还有法语区的人在喜剧里主动塑造的。
As for French stereotypes, they are actually often bought upon the French speaking the Francophone people by themselves in their comedies.
法国喜剧特别爱拿自己身上的刻板印象开玩笑。
French comedies play very heavily on stereotype, especially of themselves.
在更严肃的电影里，我觉得这其实不是什么大问题。
In more serious films, it I don't really think it is much of an issue.
好在我是懂的。
Thankfully, do.
我会说法语，所以法国电影我能看懂。
I speak French, so I do understand French films.
但我知道，对不会法语的人来说，确实不容易跟上。
But I know it is harder to follow for non French speakers.
一方面是因为语言，另一方面是因为欧洲电影通常比美国电影更复杂、更抽象。
One, because of the language, but and two, because European cinema is often a lot more complex and abstract than American cinema.
不过和你一样，我也特别喜欢法国电影。
But like you, I do love French films.
如果你想看，我推荐几部最爱的，比如《围墙之间》。
If you want to watch some, some of my favorites are Entre le mure, which is between the walls.
这部电影讲的是现代法国的多元文化。
It's a film about multiculturalism in modern France.
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