158. A Cup of Tea with Paul Taylor (Pt 1)

是的。

Yeah.

因为我当时在法国住了挺久。

Because I'd been living in in in France for a while.

对。

Right.

你那时候应该是在学法语吧。

I suppose you were learning French

那时候。

then at the time.

是吧。

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

那几年我主要在一所国际学校读书，所以功课主要是用英语学的。

I was at an international school for most of those years, so I was doing my studies in English mainly.

是的。

Yeah.

我清楚记得自己法语特别差，那时候简直是班上法语最差的学生之一。

And I I vividly remember being not very good at French, like I was one of the worst French students at that age.

等一下。

So hold on.

那时候你多大？

How old were you at this time?

从两岁到九岁，是的。

So from the age of two till nine, Yeah.

我在日内瓦待了几年，其余时间都在法国。

I was in French I was spent a couple of years in Geneva and the rest in in France.

顺便问一下，抱歉，日内瓦在瑞士，那里也说法语吗？

By the way, sorry, in Geneva, in Switzerland, do they speak French then?

是的。

They do.

是的。

Yes.

所以那是法语区的瑞士，我上的国际学校就在日内瓦。

So that's French speaking Switzerland, and the international school that I was at was in was in Geneva.

我的法语水平，记得当时成绩比那些母语是法语、能流利听说写的孩子差远了。

So my level of of French, I remember not getting very good grades compared to the rest of the kids who, you know, spoke it and and and were able to write it fluently.

所以我当时算是夹在两种语言之间吧。

So I guess I was I was kind of mixed between the two.

对。

Mhmm.

不过我九岁左右就搬回了英国。

But then I moved over to I moved back to England when I was about nine.

是的。

Yep.

你搬回英国时，英语水平其实跟不上其他孩子，因为你之前主要用法语交流。

And And and so at that point, when you moved back to England, your English was not at the same level as the other kids because you'd been operating in French a bit.

是的

Yeah.

我觉得到九岁的时候，两种语言我都还没达到应有的水平。

I I I think neither of the languages was as it should have been when I was nine.

要是我一直在英国长大，我的英语应该更好；法语也是一样。

Like, my English wasn't as good as it should have been if I was in England up until nine, and same with the French.

对

Mhmm.

我能流利地说，因为父母平时也跟我讲法语。

I could speak it fluently because both my parents spoke it with me as well.

是的

Yeah.

我觉得那时候我说话带点美国口音。

I think I had an American accent back then.

真的吗？

Really?

是的。

Yeah.

那当时是怎么回事？

And it was How was that?

我在国际学校读书，那里很多美国孩子。

I I guess in the international school and a lot of American kids go there.

是的。

Yeah.

我记得九岁左右的时候，给爸爸打电话，他的口音现在还跟我一样。

Because I I remember when I was about nine speaking to my dad on the phone who has the same accent as me now.

对。

Mhmm.

我还跟妈妈开玩笑，说他说话的口音好笑。

And I was making fun of him to my mom.

是的。

Yeah.

他们分开后，我就趁他打电话时取笑他，是的。

They'd split up so, like, I'd make fun of him Yeah.

我跟妈妈说他的口音，可现在我们的口音一模一样了。

To my mom when I when I spoke to him on the phone, but now he we have the same accent.

我记得当时还笑话他的口音，是的。

But I remember making fun of his accent Yeah.

因为那时候我讲的是美式口音。

Because I had I guess, I had an American accent back then.

他的口音跟我当时不一样，而我自己的口音也换过好几回了。

It wasn't the same one as me, which is which is very I've had a few different accents.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这挺有意思的。

That's interesting.

挺有意思的，我倒是还好。

It's interesting that I alright.

这很正常，你想想，跟说某种口音的人待久了，难免会不自觉地模仿他们的说话方式。

It's normal, I suppose, you know, when you spend time with people who speak in a certain way, tend to copy the way they speak.

其实这有个名字，叫语言适应。

It's just this actually, there's a name for it, accommodation.

是吗？

Is it?

他们就是这么叫的。

That's what they call it.

对。

Yeah.

所以你看，一个社区的人往往会有自己的口音和方言，因为他们通过这些来认同自己属于这个群体。

That's why, for example, you know, communities tend to develop specific accents and dialects because they define themselves by belonging to that community.

是的。

Mhmm.

所以他们说话的方式也会越来越相似。

And so they start to speak in a similar way.

他们通过说话的方式把自己凝聚在一起，也通过语言来识别彼此属于同一个群体，这或许能解释为什么利物浦和曼彻斯特的口音差别那么大，确实如此。

They bind themselves together in the way that they speak or the way that they identify each other as being members of the same community, which could explain why, for example, in Liverpool and in Manchester, you've got two really different accents Yeah.

而且两种身份也截然不同。

And two different identities.

所以你要么是……

So either you

但这两个地方离得并不远。

And they're not far away from each other.

是的。

Yeah.

开车的话，两地之间只有半小时的路程，半小时而已。

It's half an hour away on the on the on the by car, half an hour.

所以如果你觉得自己是个利物浦人，那口音自然就是你文化的一部分，对吧？

So I suppose if you consider yourself to be a scouser, then, you know, your accent is part of your your culture, isn't it?

是的。

Yeah.

我想，某种程度上，我小时候几乎是被迫去适应不同的口音，就是说，当我九岁回到英国时，大家都把我当成法国小孩。

I guess I I think part of I I I think I've by almost by force, I guess, a kid, like, had to accommodate accents if that's the the the term for it where when I moved back to England when I was nine, I was classed as the French kid Yeah.

因为我说英语的时候，口音听起来挺怪的。

Because I guess I had a weird accent when I spoke English.

那你当时是怎么说的？

How did you speak then?

我也不太记得了。

I don't know.

我好像有一阵子说的是美式口音。

I think I had this American accent for a bit.

我九岁那年，刚到英格兰西南部的托基。

But so when I was nine, I I was just when I was in Torquay in in the Southwest Of England.

两年后，我又搬到了东南部的坎特伯雷。

And then after two years, I moved to the Southeast Of England in Canterbury.

挺不错的地方。

Nice place.

不过以大主教和大教堂闻名。

But well known for its archbishop and its cathedral.

是的。

Yeah.

还有那个

And The

英国国教，对吧？

church of England, isn't it?

我不太清楚。

I don't know.

就是大主教所在的那个。

Well, the archbishop of yeah.

我想是的。

I think it is.

是的。

Yeah.

他是某个机构的负责人，

He's like the head of something Head

英国国教会的领袖。

of the the Anglican church.

坎特伯雷是个很美的地方，大教堂特别壮观，是的。

And Canterbury is a lovely place with a beautiful cathedral Yeah.

如果你喜欢这种风格的话。

If you like that kind of thing.

是的。

Yeah.

很多法国人，特别是学生，会去那里参加学校交流活动。

A lot of a lot of French people go there, kids, like, on on school exchanges and stuff.

不过，是的。

But Yeah.

我记得刚搬到坎特伯雷的时候，人们因为我说西南部的口音而取笑我。

I remember when when I moved to Canterbury, people made fun of me because I had a southwest English accent.

所以显然，在那两年里，我的口音已经变了。

So obviously, in those two years, my accent had changed.

是的。

Yeah.

后来我就慢慢融入了东南部的口音，说真的，这感觉挺奇怪的。

And then so I I kind of ended up assimilating to the Southeast accent and then, I don't know, it's just weird.

我对口音有一种很特别的感觉。

I have this weird relationship with accents.

这是否意味着，保罗，你对不同的口音特别敏感？

Does this mean, Paul, that you're that you have an ear for different accents?

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得是这样。

I think so.

我能模仿几种不同的英语口音。

I I I I'm able to to imitate a few different English speaking accents.

法语的几种口音我也能模仿。

A few different French ones as well.

几年前我刚认识我女朋友的时候，说法语带着加拿大口音。

At some stage, when I spoke French, a few years back, when I first met my girlfriend, I had a Canadian French accent.

真的吗？

Really?

因为我曾在蒙特利尔住了一年。

Because I had spent a year living in Montreal.

标准法语口音和加拿大法语口音有什么区别呢？

So what's the difference between a a standard French accent and a Canadian French accent then?

这问题问得好。

This is good.

确实是个好问题。

Because I mean Good question.

你先想想这个

While you're thinking about that

对

Yep.

英式英语和加拿大英语之间，明显是有区别的

Between, like, British English and Canadian English, there's obviously a difference.

是的

Mhmm.

我经常试着分辨加拿大英语和美国英语的区别

And I I I often try to distinguish between, for example, Canadian English and American English.

是的

Yeah.

这挺难的

It's difficult.

它们听起来挺像的，对吧？

They sound pretty similar, don't they?

但确实有一些地方让它们不一样。

But there are some things that make them different.

对。

Yeah.

加拿大英语里，最明显的特征就是那些带 'ou' 的词。

With Canadian English, the thing that will give it away is anything, like any word that will have an o u in it.

比如 'go out' 或者 'about' 这样的词，

So like, to go out, about It's

那个 'ow' 的发音。

the owl sound.

没错，

It's yeah.

他们通常不会说 'about'，而是说得像 'boat' 一样。

So instead of saying, you know, about, they'll they'll usually say, like, a boat.

是的。

Mhmm.

而美国人则会把 'about' 发得特别清楚。

As opposed to the Americans which will say about, like, they'll really pronounce it.

就像 'owl' 这个音。

Owl.

是的。

Yeah.

所以要是用英式英语来说这个短语的话——

So the the the phrase, it's so if if I if you were to say in British English

out and about。

Out and about.

你今晚出去逛吗？

I'm are you out and about tonight?

对。

Yeah.

你今晚出去逛吗？

Are you out and about?

在美国，可能会说‘你出去逛了吗？’

In American, it would probably are you out and about?

出去逛逛。

Out out out and about.

因为喝茶的时候，你可能会说，你待会儿出去逛吗？要不过来喝一杯？

Because the tea sort of, hey, you're out and about later on, maybe, you know, come over, we'll have a drink.

如果是加拿大人，他们会说‘你出去逛了吗？’

If you're out and about Canadian would be like, if you're out and about.

是的。

Yeah.

差别非常细微，这就是我能想到的唯一区别。

It's very slight change, like, that that's the only way that I can make the difference.

除此之外，他们的口音非常相似。

Apart from that, their accents are very similar.

所以英式英语里会说‘出去逛逛’，但在加拿大，他们怎么说来着？

So in British English, it would be like out and about, whereas in Canada, it's like, oh oh, how do you how do you do it again?

哦，到处逛逛。

Oh oh and about.

我说的其实是，我不确定自己说得对不对，但我老是会说，这全靠冰球，对。

It's it's I I I don't know if I'm doing it properly, but it was it like, the phrase I would always be like, oh, it's all about the hockey, Yeah.

因为他们也经常这么说。

Because they say a lot as well.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

That's right.

这算是一种刻板印象，但他们的某些句子结尾确实会这样。

Which is a a stereotype, but it it's it they do at the end of some of their sentences.

所以是的。

So Yeah.

没错。

That's right.

我18岁那年，曾经去加拿大度假待过一阵子。

I'm I spent some time in Canada on a holiday once when I was about 18.

我和我表弟一起去的。

I went there with my cousin.

我们坐灰狗巴士横穿了整个加拿大。

We traveled across Canada on

真不错。

Oh, nice.

坐的是灰狗巴士。

Greyhound buses.

有些路程可真够长的。

Some very long journeys.

是啊。

Yeah.

加拿大确实很大。

Canada's huge.

真的特别大。

It's massive.

简直荒唐。

It's absolutely ridiculous.

太疯狂了。

It's crazy.

简直没法控制。

It's out of control.

我之前根本没想到，加拿大东海岸离欧洲比离西海岸还要近。

I didn't realize, but the the East Coast Of Canada is closer to Europe than it is to the West Coast Of Canada.

我倒是不知道。

Thought I didn't know.

这个事实太惊人了。

That's that's a crazy fact.

是啊。

It's yeah.

从加拿大最东端到最西端的距离，比横跨大西洋还要远。

It's further to go from one end of Canada to the other than it is to go across the Atlantic Ocean.

我直到搬去欧洲住之后，才真正体会到欧洲有多棒。

I didn't appreciate Europe until I when I went there to live.

人们常对我说：‘哇，你肯定去过好多欧洲国家吧？’

People would say to me, you know, wow, you must have been to a ton of European countries.

我当时就回他们：‘其实我已经去过几个了，比如德国、法国这些地方。’

And I was like, well, I've been to a few by that stage, you know, Germany, France, that kind of stuff.

他们还问：‘你怎么没多去几个国家呢？’

And like, how have you not been to more countries?

欧洲地方其实很小的。

It's such a small place.

你往一个方向开一小时，就到了另一个国家，语言也换了。

Like, you can you can drive an hour in this direction, be in a different country, speak a different language.

你掉个头，往相反方向开一小时，又到了另一个国家，又换了一种语言。

You can turn around, go an hour in the opposite direction, be in a different country, different language.

是的

Yeah.

我们飞六个钟头，还在同一个国家里。

Like, we fly for six hours and we're still in the same country.

是的

Yeah.

那时候我才真正意识到加拿大有多大。

And that's kind of when it hit me of the size of of Canada.

澳大利亚也特别大。

Australia as well is huge.

我也在那儿待过一段时间，那边的人也有同样的感受。

I I spent some time there as well and and they it's the same reaction.

对他们来说情况更夸张，毕竟他们离哪儿都远，反正就是特别孤立。

And for them, it's even worse because they're further away, you know, they're far away from from anywhere kind of thing.

对。

Right.

好的。

Okay.

哇。

Wow.

你去过不少地方啊。

So you've you've spent time in lots of places.

我们刚聊到，你小时候先在英国生活，后来去了瑞士和法国，之后又回了英国。

We've just established that you've you've you've lived, you know, first part of your life in in The UK, and then you lived in Switzerland and France, and and and then you went back to England.

是的。

Yeah.

然后你去了西班牙。

And then you went to Spain.

我14到16岁期间在西班牙待过。

Then I went to Spain between 14 and 16.

我爸爸当时住在西班牙，我就过去跟他一起在马德里住了两年，就是14到16岁那会儿，真没想到。

So my dad was living out in Spain, and and I ended up going to live with him in Spain for in Madrid for two years for between the ages of 14 and 16 Wow.

后来我回到了英国。

Before I eventually came back to The UK Yeah.

那时候我十六七岁。

At 16, 17.

明白了。

Okay.

然后你去美国住了吗？

And then then you lived in America?

你是在

Did you live in

我在读大学期间去了加拿大和澳大利亚，因为我主修法语和西班牙语。

I lived in Canada and Australia during my so I studied French and Spanish at university.

是的。

Yeah.

在英国学法语或西班牙语的时候，必须离开英国，去一个法语或西班牙语国家待一年。

And when you're studying that in The UK, you need to leave The UK for a year and go to a French or Spanish speaking country.

对。

Mhmm.

那时候我的西班牙语比法语好，所以我反而想找个法语国家去。

And at the time, my Spanish was better than my French, so I wanted to go to a French speaking country

是的。

Yeah.

我想提升法语水平，而且我之前住过法国，觉得去加拿大挺不错的。

To improve my French and because I'd lived in France already, I thought it would be cool to go to Canada.

于是我去了加拿大，待了八个月，之后又在澳大利亚待了四个月，才回英国完成学位。

So that's how I ended up in Canada and I spent eight months there and four months in in Australia before I came back to finish my degree in The UK.

我拿到英国的学位后就搬到了法国，之后就一直住在这儿了。

And then once I finished my degree in The UK, I moved to France and I've been here since.

那你在这儿待多久了？

So how long have you been here now?

刚过四年。

Just over four years.

好的。

Okay.

所以啊。

So

我猜我的一些听众可能会想知道这个问题的答案，虽然这个问题可能不太好回答——哪个国家最好？

a question that I can I can imagine some of my listeners might want to know the answer to, although it might not be a very nice question to answer, is which country is the best?

当然是英国，但要说哪个国家是

Obviously, it's in England, but which country is the

最好的？

best?

伊拉克。

Iraq.

真的吗？

Yeah?

我从来没去过。

I've never been.

不是。

No.

我不清楚。

I don't know.

我最喜欢的那个国家，当然也有好有坏。

My favorite one I mean, they will have good and bad points.

我去过的一个我最喜欢的地方是

My favorite one that I was in

咱们来聊聊这些优缺点吧，保罗。

Let's let's go through some of those good and bad points, Paul.

好的。

Alright.

这挺有意思的。

That's interesting.

说吧。

Go

继续。

on.

好的。

Okay.

那我们先从英国开始吗？

So should we start with England?

对。

Yeah.

我觉得不错的方面是茶。

I guess some good points are the tea.

英国的茶确实好。

The tea's good.

是的。

Yeah.

世界上最好的茶就在英国。

The the best tea in the world is is is in England.

我们是从其他国家进口的。

We we collect it from other countries.

确实如此。

We did.

但还有一个有趣的事儿。

But here's here's another fun fact.

我离开英国之前，根本不知道茶还有这么多种类。

I didn't know there were different types of tea until I left England.

因为在英国之前，我只知道妈妈总问：‘要不要喝杯茶？’

Because until I was in England, I was just saying, you know, my mom would be like, do want a cup of tea?

要不要喝杯茶？

You do you want a cup of tea?

这在英国是句口头禅，指的就是黑茶，其他国家管这叫英式早餐茶。

It's the typical phrase in England, which means black tea, which the rest of the world calls English breakfast.

对。

Yeah.

加牛奶。

With milk.

但我们就是管它叫一杯茶。

But we just call that a cup of tea.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我在加拿大时，去那里类似星巴克的地方点了一杯茶。

So when I was in Canada, I asked for a cup of tea at the equivalent of the Starbucks over there.

那里叫Second Cup。

It's called Second Cup.

这名字还挺有意思。

Is kind of a cool name.

Second Cup。

Second Cup.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我点了一杯茶，那个女的却问：什么茶？哪种茶？

And I asked for a cup of tea and the woman said, what what what type of tea?

你就说：就普通的那种就行？

And you were like, just the normal, please?

就一杯茶啊。

Just a cup of tea.

然后她给我讲了一大堆茶的种类，什么洋甘菊茶、薄荷茶，全是些我以前从来没听说过的。

And so she explained to me the different types of tea they had, like chamomile, like, mint tea, all these crazy

对啊。

Yeah.

我离开英国后才第一次知道，原来茶还有这么多花样。

Other different types of tea that I'd never really heard of until I left The UK.

你是不是觉得，茶不就一种吗？

You're like, don't you just have tea?

是的。

Yeah.

我以为你说的是

Was Can

你就直接给我一杯茶就行。

I just give me a cup of tea?

她却问：‘您要英式伯爵茶、女士伯爵茶、大吉岭茶，还是阿萨姆茶？’

She's like, well, would you like that Earl Grey, Lady Grey, Darjeeling, Assam?

别再让我糊涂了。

Just stop confusing me.

就给我一杯普通的茶就行。

Just give me tea in a cup.

还有件事我要说一下。

Well, here's the thing as well.

我认识的所有非英国人都觉得英国人天天喝茶，这确实没错。

Everyone that I've spoken to who's not from The UK has the stereotype that we drink tea, which is true.

但他们还觉得我们喝茶都加牛奶，每一种茶都加。

But they also have the stereotype that we drink tea with milk, but every tea with milk.

他们以为我们所有种类的茶都会加牛奶。

They think we drink every different type of tea with milk.

是的。

Yeah.

我只有一种茶会加牛奶，就是英式早餐茶。

There's only one type of tea that I drink with milk and that's English breakfast.

对。

Yeah.

伯爵茶，我绝对不加牛奶。

Earl Grey, I would never put milk in it.

是的。

Yeah.

大吉岭茶。

Darjeeling.

我尝过这些茶之后，发现其实都不该加牛奶。

Now that I've tested all these teas, I you wouldn't put milk in any of them.

对。

No.

但有些人就是觉得，这简直是个笑话。

But for some re like, I don't know, it's a big joke.

他们总说：‘你怎么不加点牛奶呢？’

It's like, oh, you know, why don't you have some milk with that?

这就让人觉得……

It's like, well

你能不能别老是误解我们国家的文化？

It's like, why don't you stop getting my country wrong?

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

人们总以为英国人喝茶一定要用茶杯和茶托，搞得特别讲究、特别高大上。

The other stereotype that people always have about English and tea is that we drink it in a cup and saucer, and that it's all very posh and very highfaluting.

什么下午茶之类的。

Afternoon tea, all that kind of thing.

但你们说的是什么啊？

But we What are you talking about?

你们还不这么喝吗？

Do you not do that yet?

我们确实下午会喝茶，但早上、上午晚些时候、下午稍晚、傍晚甚至任何时候都会喝。

We do drink tea in the afternoon, but we also drink it in the morning, in the late morning, in in the late early afternoon, in the early late post evening, in the any time

其实就是一整天随时都在喝。

Throughout the whole day, basically.

任何时候都行。

Any time.

这可不是只在

It's not just

喝茶随时都行。

Any time is good for tea.

是的。

Yeah.

我们并不会特意挑某个时刻，停下所有事，聚在客厅里，把最好的茶具拿出来。

It's not one particular sort of like moment where we all stop and we all, you know, get together in in the drawing room and, you know, bring out the best tea set.

然后围坐一圈，讨论黄油啊，还有……

And then we all sit around and discuss butter and and,

你知道的，还有女王。

know you And the queen.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

我们其实都觉得，那种场景有点做作，根本不是这么回事。

We don't all sort I of find that a little bit annoying because that's not the way it is.

相反，你就是用马克杯喝那种特别浓的工薪族茶。

Instead, you you drink very strong builders tea out of a out of a coffee mug Yeah.

再配一块饼干，把饼干泡进茶里。

And you have a biscuit with it and you dunk the biscuit into the tea.

泡饼干这件事。

The dunkage of the biscuit.

住在法国挺麻烦的，因为这儿很少有适合泡茶的饼干。

I I it's difficult living in France because there's not very many dunking type biscuits.

没错。

No.

不过在家乐福还是能买到巧克力消化饼。

But you can get, you know, chocolate digestives in in Carrefour.

确实能买到。

You can do.

是的。

Yeah.

巧克力消化饼不错，蘸茶的时候巧克力会化开，但饼干本身不会散，这点很好。

Chocolate digestives are are good because the chocolate kind of melts when you dip it in, but the it doesn't break, which is good.

消化饼确实挺结实的，对吧？

It's a good robust biscuit, isn't it, the digestive?

没错。

It is.

对。

Yeah.

我目前吃的这些是法国产的。

The the ones that I currently have are French.

它们叫‘petit déjeuner’。

They're called petit dejeuner.

早餐？

Breakfasts?

是的。

Yeah.

它们是那种早餐饼干，由贝尔维塔公司生产，据说挺适合当早餐吃的。

They're they're they're little breakfast like they're made by Bell Vita, which is a I guess a a a some sort of biscuit company that have that are supposed to be good for you for breakfast.

不过，这些饼干确实挺适合蘸着吃。

But, yeah, they they they have some pretty good gun dunkage

是的。

Yeah.

行动吧。

Action.

但盒子在运输过程中经常被撞，结果饼干都碎成小块了。

Except they kind of the boxes end up getting bashed about, so they end up in little bits and pieces.

都碎了。

It's broken.

碎掉的饼干没法蘸着吃。

You can't dunk the broken biscuits.

对。

No.

不行。

No.

但有时候你根本不知道它已经碎了。

But sometimes you don't know it's broken.

就像一道细得几乎看不见的裂纹。

It's like a hairline fracture.

对。

Yes.

你根本看不出来它已经完全裂开了。

And you don't quite see that it's actually cracked the whole way through.

所以你一不小心——天哪。

So you Oh my gosh.

一泡进茶里，饼干就直接断成两半，一半沉到杯底了。

You dunk it in and it just breaks off like half of the biscuit into the bottom of the tea.

大概十五秒后它才浮上来，你得用勺子把那些泡得稀烂的饼干渣捞出来。

Takes about fifteen seconds for it to float back up and you have to get your spoon to then, like, spoon out the the the wet soggy biscuit.

或者最糟的情况，要是饼干没浮上来，你喝到最后，嘴里全是碎饼干渣。

Or the worst case, if it doesn't float up to the top, like, you're finishing your tea, you get bits of biscuit.

太恶心了。

It's disgusting.

这实在不太行。

It's just not Yeah.

这完全不合规矩。

It's just not cricket.

吃饼干泡茶的时候得特别特别小心，别让饼干碎了。

You've got to be very, very careful when dunking the biscuit to make sure it doesn't break it.

泡之前一定要先检查一下饼干，不然你就会发现——

Check always check the biscuit first before you start dunking because otherwise, you're gonna get They

饼干上得贴个警告标签，说明一下泡的时间。

need to have warning labels on biscuits Yeah.

以前他们还真有推荐的浸泡时长。

Saying this they used to have, like, dunkage time.

你知道吗，在欧洲我注意到茶包上都会标注时间。

You know, like on I've noticed tea bags in in Europe Yeah.

比如在法国，我买茶的时候，包装上会写明冲泡时间。

Like in France, when I buy tea, it tells you the infusion time.

是的。

Yeah.

上面会写清楚，这个茶包要泡四分钟。

It says this tea bag should be infused for four minutes.

对。

Yeah.

而我们这边全凭感觉来。

Whereas we kinda play it by ear.

我们就是不想有人教我该怎么泡茶。

We're like, don't tell me how to infuse my tea.

没错。

Exactly.

不过饼干也应该标个蘸的时间。

They should have that for biscuits though, like dunk time.

对。

Yeah.

这种饼干建议蘸十秒，这样你就知道什么时候该拿出来。

This this biscuit has a ten second dunk time so that you know when you should be dunking it.

而这种只建议蘸一秒，就是快速蘸一下。

And and this one has like a one second dunk, so it's like a quick dunk.

你有没有试过那种，就是蘸得特别久的？

You get some like bit like have you ever dunked dunked?

蘸很久？

Dunked?

就是蘸很久？

Dunked?

蘸一下？

Dunkin'?

蘸过吗？

Dunked?

蘸过吗？

Dunked?

这是个规则动词。

It's a regular verb.

明白了。

Alright.

英语老师啊。

English teacher.

短面包。

Shortbread.

我从来没蘸过。

I've never no.

我不行。

I'm no.

我确实把短曲奇泡过。

I have dunked shortbread.

这可太厉害了。

That's a beast.

它能泡上三十秒都不软，真的。

That can, like, dunk for, like, thirty seconds at Yeah.

最少也要。

Least

在变软之前。

before

它才会变软。

it gets soft.

泡得刚刚好。

Very good dunking ratio.

不过我在法国见过一件让我特别反感的事。

I saw something in France that disgusted me though.

大家可能都会

That everyone's probably going

往上抬。

up.

街道？

Street?

不是。

No.

这跟蘸着吃有关。

It's about dunking.

对啊。

Uh-huh.

在法国，早餐就是一杯咖啡，配一个边沿比较宽的大玻璃杯，刚好够用来蘸饼干。

So breakfast in France, cup of coffee, like a a a a slightly large like a large rim glass, enough for dunkage.

没错。

Yeah.

一个大杯子，得留出足够空间让你蘸点小吃。

A large a large glass that leaves enough space for you to dunk a snack of some kind.

应该是饼干吧？但在巴黎这儿，人们都蘸什么？

So It should be a biscuit, but what do they dunk here in in Paris?

我见过同事这么干：先拿根法棍，这可是地道的法国货，切一小段。

I have seen one of my coworkers dunk so first of all, take a baguette, which is obviously very French, like a bit of baguette Yeah.

抹上黄油。

Put some butter on it

是的。

Yeah.

然后把这玩意儿蘸进咖啡里。

And dunk that in the coffee.

把抹了黄油的法棍蘸进咖啡？

Dunk buttered baguette into a coffee?

这也太离谱了吧。

That's mental.

然后把黄油和咖啡一起喝，就像黄油咖啡一样。

It's and then drink the coffee afterwards with the butter, like, buttered coffee.

这听起来太恶心了，我没试过。

It was disgust I mean, it I haven't tried it.

我不太喜欢咖啡，所以我也很难想象用茶这么喝。

I'm not a huge fan of coffee, so I can't imagine doing that with tea though.

所以。

So

问题是，保罗，我第一反应就是，黄油不能和热饮混在一起。

See, the thing is, Paul, that my immediate reaction to that is you can't mix butter and and a hot drink.

黄油不能和茶或咖啡混，但你想想，我们做的那些饼干里不是都填满了黄油吗？

Like, you can't mix butter and tea or butter and coffee, but what do you think we put in all those biscuits?

全是黄油。

Full of butter.

全是黄油。

Full of butter.

是的

Yeah.

所以我们实际上是在喝黄油。

So we are drinking butter in effect.

确实如此。

It is true.

但也不只是黄油，你知道的，黄油是夹在饼干里的。

But it's not just it's not just it's not just butter, you know, it's butter in a biscuit.

在饼干里。

In a biscuit.

规矩不一样。

The the rules are different.

对。

Yeah.

所以总的来说，住在英国的好处就是有茶。

So all that to say that the advantage of living in England is tea.

好的。

Okay.

刚才那番话就是想说这个。

That's where that conversation

住在英国就只有这个好处吗？

Is that the only advantage of living in England?

当然不是。

No.

还有很多其他好处，比如说。

There's other I mean, there's other advantages as well.

我觉得伦敦就很不错。

I guess, there's there's London's great.

特别多元国际化。

It's very multinational.

什么菜系的餐厅都有，什么背景的人都能见到。

There's every type of restaurant, every type of person that you can ever find.

夜生活还挺不错的。

The nightlife is is pretty good.

有很多剧院、精彩的音乐会、出色的喜剧表演，英格兰很多城市都有各种各样的娱乐活动。

There's a lot of theater, a lot of great concerts, a lot of great comedy, all all sorts of things you can do in in many different cities in England.

是的。

Yeah.

天气确实不太好，不过我也习惯了。

Disadvantaged weather is I mean, I got used to it.

今天巴黎的天气就跟伦敦差不多，一会儿晴天，一会儿又云层密布下起雨来，转眼间又放晴了。

The weather today is in Paris is kind of like London where one minute it's sunny, next minute it's cloudy and rainy and then it's sunny again.

但是

But

没那么糟糕。

it's never that.

从来都没那么差。

It's never that bad.

没那么糟糕吧？

It's not brutal, is it?

你知道的。

You know?

有时候就是有点让人提不起劲。

It's just a bit depressing at times.

是的。

Yeah.

就是会有点淋湿，有点冷。

It's just an you you get a bit wet, you get a bit cold.

冬天的时候天黑得早，光线也挺暗的。

It can be dark and a bit dark during the winter.

我觉得是因为伦敦的云层比这儿低得多。

Well, I think that's because the ceiling, like, the clouds are much lower in Yeah.

在伦敦，云层比这儿低得多。

In London than they are here.

巴黎和伦敦的天气其实挺像的。

Like, the weather's pretty similar from Paris to London.

只是暖和那么几度，云层也高得多，所以不会觉得那么压抑。

A few degrees warmer, but the ceiling, like, cloud is a a much higher, so you don't feel as as claustrophobic or as as

所以你是说，伦敦的云层更低，让人感觉好像总在阴雨天里似的？

So you're saying that the clouds seem to be lower in London, which gives the impression that that that you're under the weather a little bit more than than

真的是在阴雨天里。

in Literally under the weather.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

字面意义上的。

Literally.

明白了。

Okay.

对。

Mhmm.

行。

Alright.

好。

Okay.

那好吧。

So alright.

这就是英国。

That's England.

最好的是茶。

Best thing is the tea.

最差的是天气。

The worst thing is the weather.

其他地方呢？

What about other places?

那你说说澳大利亚吧。

Tell me about Australia then.

我去过澳大利亚，在悉尼待了四个月，那段时间特别棒。

Australia, the thing that I enjoyed I was in Sydney for four months.

对。

Yeah.

我喜欢那里，城市氛围跟伦敦或巴黎很像，但离海滩才十分钟车程。

The thing that I enjoyed about there is it had a big city feel

是的。

Yeah.

就像伦敦或巴黎那样的大城市，可海滩就在十分钟车程外。

Like London or Paris, but the the beach was ten minutes away.

对。

Yeah.

我去的时候是冬天，但天气还是暖和到能去海边，真的。

And I was there during winter, but it was still warm enough to go to the beach Yeah.

对英国人来说，尤其是那种可以随便逛逛、放松的感觉。

For an English person anyway, and and hang out.

我第一次冲浪就是在澳大利亚的冬天，那对我来说是最难忘的经历。

I I the first time I ever went surfing was in was in Australia in the winter, but that was kind of, for me, the biggest thing.

那里的人都非常好。

The people there are great as well.

是的。

Yeah.

他们对外来者特别友好，就算是英国人也一样。

They're pretty open to foreigners, even English people.

真的吗？

Really?

我觉得我那么喜欢那里，主要是因为人。有时候，人真的能决定一个地方的氛围，你知道吗？就算住在最漂亮的地方，如果人很糟糕，体验也不会好。

I think the the the reason I liked it so much was the people, like, it was I think a people make the place sometimes, you know, if you you can live in the in the most beautiful place, but the people are are horrible and then it doesn't make for a great experience.

说到底，还是看和谁在一起，对吧？

It's all about the company, isn't it?

就是你

That you

没错。

It is.

好的。

Okay.

那澳大利亚人呢。

So the Australians.

行吧。

Alright.

你走到哪儿都能学会当地的口音，对吧？

So did you I mean, you you pick up accents wherever you go.

那你有没有发现自己也带上了澳大利亚口音？

Did you end up did you find that you're picking up your Australian accent?

说来奇怪，还真是。

Weirdly, yeah.

我最明显学到的是，在英语里我本来会说‘butter’，但现在不一样了。

I I so the the the the biggest part that I picked up was instead of so in English, I would probably normally say butter.

黄油。

Butter.

黄油。

Butter.

黄油。

Butter.

而不是。

Instead of

你不能把黄油加进咖啡里。

You can't put butter in coffee.

你也不能在意大利面里放黄油。

You can't butter in Pasta butter.

意大利面黄油。

Pasta butter.

把快门关上。

Close the shutter.

给我拿瓶水。

Give me a bottle of water.

你错过了所有的茶。

You just miss out all the teas.

它们都是喉塞音。

They're all glottal stops.

是的。

Yeah.

等等。

So wait.

等一下。

Wait.

等一下。

Wait.

黄油。

Butter.

很明显，这就是黄油。

Obviously, that's that's that's butter.

黄油。

Butter.

对。

Yeah.

或者在美国。

Or in America.

黄油。

Butter.

是的。

Yeah.

发音像是双d。

With as if it was a double d.