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大家好。
Hello, everybody.
欢迎来到卢克的英语播客。
Welcome to Luke's English podcast.
这是系列节目的第一部分，接下来我会和我的澳大利亚朋友丹尼尔·伯特对话。
This is the first in a two part episode in which I speak to my Australian friend, Daniel Burt.
丹尼尔·伯特是来自澳大利亚墨尔本的一名记者、喜剧作家和表演者。
Now Daniel Burt is a journalist, a comedy writer, and performer from Melbourne in Australia.
他为澳大利亚两家大型报纸撰稿。
He writes for two big newspapers in Australia.
他曾担任《大卫·莱特曼深夜秀》的实习生。
He worked as an intern at Late Night with David Letterman.
他有自己的维基百科页面，工作中还采访过马特·史密斯、大卫·田纳特、本尼迪克特·康伯巴奇和马丁·弗里曼——也就是说，他见过两位《神秘博士》、夏洛克·福尔摩斯、华生医生，还有《霍比特人》。
He has his own page on Wikipedia, and in his work, he has interviewed Matt Smith, David Tennant, Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman, which means that he's met two Doctor Whos, Sherlock Holmes, Doctor Watson, and The Hobbit.
哇哦。
Wow.
在这期节目中，我们会聊到各种话题，比如澳大利亚和女王及英联邦的关系、他作为娱乐记者的工作经历、在纽约生活的日子、《大卫·莱特曼秀》、威尔·史密斯、娱乐圈，还有僵尸。
In this episode, you can listen to us talking about diverse topics such as Australia's relationship to the Queen and the Commonwealth, his work as an entertainment journalist, his time living in New York, The David Letterman Show, Will Smith, show business, and zombies.
我特别高兴能把丹尼尔请到这个播客里，原因有很多。
I'm very pleased to have Daniel on the podcast for a number of reasons.
他聪明又风趣，特别能说，聊起来没完没了。
He's a bright, witty guy with lots of things to say, and he can talk the hind legs off a donkey.
当然，不是字面意思上的‘把驴的两条后腿都聊掉’。
Not literally.
这只是个习语，意思是他说个没完。
That's just an idiom, which means that he can talk and talk and talk.
他来自澳大利亚，你可以听到他纯正的澳洲口音，感受地道的澳大利亚英语。
He's from Australia, so you can listen to his genuine Aussie accent and hear some authentic Australian English.
正如我所说，他见过夏洛克·福尔摩斯、比尔博·巴金斯、博士，还有其他人，我觉得这太厉害了。
And as I said, he has met Sherlock Holmes, Bilbo Baggins, Doctor Who, and other people, which I think is amazing.
丹尼尔还因为够有名，维基百科上专门有他的页面，你搜‘丹尼尔·伯特，喜剧演员’就能找到，或者也可以在我网站上点链接。
Daniel is also noteworthy enough to have his own page on Wikipedia, which you can find by searching for Daniel Burt, comedian, or you can find a link to it on my website.
丹尼尔是作家，所以自然而然，他用词特别生动，词汇丰富，还爱用各种习语。
Daniel is a writer, so naturally, naturally, he uses a lot of colorful language, descriptive vocabulary, and idiomatic expressions.
他说话速度也挺快，口音你可能不太熟悉，所以要仔细听。
He also speaks pretty quickly in an accent that you might not be so familiar with, so listen closely.
这期节目的文字稿很快就会上线，如果你对听到的词或表达有疑问，或者有任何其他问题，欢迎在本集的评论区留言，并附上时间戳，这样我知道你指的是哪一段。
A transcript should arrive for this episode before too long, but if you have any questions about words or phrases that you hear in this episode or any other questions at all, please leave them in the comments section of this episode with a time code so I know which part you're talking about.
这是一档两期的播客。
This is a two part podcast.
在第一部分，也就是这一集里，我和丹尼尔聊了这些事。
In part one, this one, Daniel and I talk about these things.
我们一开始闲扯了会儿僵尸末日的话题。
We start by kind of bantering about the zombie apocalypse.
我的公寓安全吗？
Is my apartment safe?
丹尼尔能挺过僵尸袭击吗，还是他太安逸了？
Would Daniel survive a zombie attack, or is he too complacent?
喜欢僵尸的人都是孤僻的吗？
Are people who like zombies all loners?
我是不是个孤僻的人？
Am I a loner?
我们还聊了丹尼尔老是掉硬币的事。
We talk about Daniel's coin dropping habits.
不知为啥，他老是把硬币弄掉。
He, for some reason, keeps dropping coins.
为什么店员找零给丹尼尔的时候，他总是拿不住硬币？
Why can't Daniel hold on to coins when shop assistants give him change?
他为啥总把硬币掉到地上？
Why does he always drop coins onto the floor?
是因为澳元纸币太亮太滑，硬币一碰就滑下来了吗？
Is it because Australian notes are so shiny and slippery that the coins just slide off?
还是说他其实有点社交紧张，或者性格太拘谨？
Or is it just because he's socially awkward or nervous for some reason?
我们聊了聊澳元上的女王头像。
We talk about the queen on Australian money.
丹尼尔对这个怎么看？
How does Daniel feel about it?
女王在澳大利亚人的生活中到底扮演什么角色？
What's the role of the queen in Australian life?
澳大利亚将来会脱离英联邦，彻底独立吗？
Will Australia leave the Commonwealth and become fully independent?
我们聊了聊丹尼尔作为娱乐记者的工作。
We talk about Daniel's work as an entertainment journalist.
他真的有维基百科页面吗？
Does he really have a Wikipedia page about him?
住在纽约是什么感觉？
What was it like living in New York?
给大卫·莱特曼工作又是怎样的体验？
And what was it like working for David Letterman?
我们谈到在巴黎一家夜总会的观众席上看到了威尔·史密斯。
We discuss seeing Will Smith in the audience at a Parisian cabaret show.
他喜欢那场演出吗？
Did he enjoy the show?
观众看到威尔·史密斯坐在下面，反应怎么样？
What was the audience's reaction to seeing Will Smith in the crowd?
这影响了演出吗？
Did it affect the performance?
娱乐圈的内幕到底是什么？‘Get jiggy with it’这话到底啥意思？
What are the secrets of show business, And what does getting jiggy with it actually mean?
我把内容分成了两期，第二期会讲他和《福尔摩斯》《霍比特人》还有《神秘博士》的相遇，别走开。
I've divided this into two episodes, so stay tuned for details about his meeting with Sherlock Holmes, The Hobbit, and Doctor Who in part two.
我们其实开麦前已经聊了快半小时了，这段对话就是从那儿接着聊下去的。
Our conversation begins pretty quickly after we'd already been talking for about half an hour before turning on the microphone.
我先给你补点背景，让你一听开头就能跟上节奏，明白我们到底在聊啥。
So let me just give you some context so that you can kind of hit the ground running and understand exactly what's going on at the beginning of the conversation.
明白吗？
Okay?
开麦之前，我们正聊各自最爱的电视剧。
Before turning on the microphone, we were talking about some of our favorite TV shows.
我说我看过《行尸走肉》，就是讲僵尸的那部剧。
I mentioned that I watched The Walking Dead, which is a show all about zombies.
我对僵尸这类东西挺感兴趣的。
I like zombies and that kind of thing.
我这个人在这方面确实有点病态。
I'm just a sick and twisted individual in that way.
但丹尼尔根本不看这部剧，也不喜欢僵尸这类东西。
But Daniel doesn't watch the show, and he isn't a big zombie fan.
他说，僵尸这么慢，被咬的人肯定脑子不太好使。
He said he thought that you'd need to be a bit of an idiot to get bitten by a zombie because they're so slow.
你明明能看见僵尸朝你走来，随便躲一下不就完事了？
Surely, you'd just see the zombie coming, and you'd get out of the way quite casually.
我不同意，跟他说其实被僵尸或者剧里叫的‘行尸’咬到，没你想的那么难。
I disagreed and explained that getting bitten by a zombie or a walker, as they call it on the TV show, getting bitten by one is actually easier than you might expect.
僵尸看着慢，但你要是大意了——太自信、太放松，就容易中招。
Zombies might seem slow, but if you get complacent, meaning overconfident and too relaxed, that's when you might get caught by surprise.
就算僵尸朝你慢慢走过来，你觉得安全，可他们根本没法预测。
If a zombie is walking towards you, he's pretty slow, so you might think that you're safe, but they're unpredictable.
可能僵尸走到三米远的地方，一闻到你脑浆的味道，突然就兴奋起来。
What might happen is that the the zombie gets about three meters away and gets excited because he can smell your brains.
然后他稍微绊了一下，整个人往前扑倒。
And then he kind of trips slightly and starts to fall forwards.
这一倒反而让他加速了，惯性让他比你想象的更快冲到你面前。
This means that his falling actually increases his speed, and the momentum carries him to you faster than you expected.
等你反应过来，已经有个僵尸扑在你身上了。
Next thing you know, you've got a zombie on top of you.
当你忙着应付这个的时候，另一个僵尸可能已经悄无声息地绕到你身后了。
And while you're trying to deal with him, another one might have arrived behind you without you realizing.
接着你就被两个丧尸同时咬了。
And then you're bitten, double bitten by two members of the undead.
过不了多久，你自己也变成了丧尸。
Then later on, you're a zombie too.
脑浆。
Brains.
丹尼尔根本没想到这种情况会发生。
Now Daniel didn't realize that this could happen.
我跟他解释了，我住六楼，家门结实， zombies 根本上不来，肯定安全，但就算这样也不能掉以轻心。
Now I I reassured him by explaining that up in my flat, we would be quite safe from zombies because I'm on the the 6th Floor, and my door is very strong, but that you still shouldn't get complacent even then.
对付僵尸，再怎么小心都不为过，因为啥事都可能发生。
You can never be too safe from zombies because, well, anything can happen.
比如说，城另一边有几个人，靠着直升机从被僵尸占领的大楼楼顶逃了出来。
For example, let's say, on the other side of the city, some guys have managed to escape from a zombie infested building by flying off the roof in a helicopter.
真是险之又险。
Oh, that was close.
多亏我们有这架直升机。
Good thing we had this helicopter.
但直升机里有个人被咬了，他没告诉任何人。
But one of the guys in the chopper has been bitten, and he didn't tell the others.
他觉得太丢脸，说不出口。
He was too ashamed or too embarrassed.
他一直瞒着大家。
He kept it secret.
大错特错。
Big mistake.
几分钟内，他就变成了僵尸，开始攻击飞行员，想吃他的脑子。
Within minutes, he's turned into a zombie, and he starts attacking the pilot, trying to eat his brains.
太可怕了。
It's horrible.
飞行员也被咬了，随后也变成了僵尸。
The pilot gets bitten, and he turns into a zombie too.
现在你有个开着直升机的僵尸，这绝对不是什么好事。
Now you've got a zombie flying a helicopter, which is never a good thing.
混乱中，直升机撞上了我这栋楼的屋顶。
In the confusion, the helicopter crashes onto the roof of my building.
飞行员和乘客全成了僵尸，他们从残骸里爬出来，从墙上一个洞钻进了我的客厅。
The pilot and the passengers are all zombies, and they crawl out of the wreckage and climb through a hole in the wall into my living room.
当然，丹尼尔也被咬了。
And, of course, Daniel gets bitten.
我不是。
Not me.
我早就准备好球棒、锤子，或者十字弓之类的武器了。
I'd be ready with a cricket bat or a hammer or something, maybe a crossbow.
虽然会很难，但我一定能应付得了。
It would be tough, but I would deal with them.
至于丹尼尔，这时候早没命了，真可怜。
Daniel, though, he'd be beyond dead at this point, the poor guy.
为什么？
And why?
因为他太松懈了。
Because he got complacent.
对吧？
Right?
对付僵尸，绝对不能有丝毫松懈。
You should never get complacent with zombies.
他们可能会开着直升机撞穿屋顶，或者不小心坐电梯上了六楼，也可能成千上万的僵尸从巴黎涌来，把我的楼团团围住。
They'll come crashing through the roof in a helicopter, or they might just get up to the 6th Floor by a lift, you know, by accident, or just thousands and thousands of zombies from Paris would surround my building.
法国僵尸。
French zombies.
天哪。
Oh my god.
最后，他们会砸碎所有窗户和门冲进来。
And eventually, they would break in by smashing all the windows and doors.
不过你别担心。
Don't worry though.
这种事发生的可能性微乎其微。
It's very, very unlikely to happen.
或者真的这么低吗？
Or is it?
这也就是我录之前跟丹尼尔聊的那些背景情况。
So that's just some context to the conversation I was having with Daniel before starting the recording.
现在，来听听我和我的澳大利亚朋友丹尼尔聊聊天吧。
Now you can enjoy some chat with my Aussie mate, Daniel.
好好听。
Enjoy.
大家好。
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
欢迎收听卢克的英语播客。
Welcome to Luke's English podcast.
今天，是卢克英语播客开播以来第一次，我面前真真切切地坐着一位地道的澳大利亚人，他会跟我们聊一聊。
And, today, for the first time ever on Luke's English podcast, I have an actual genuine Australian person in front of me, and he's gonna talk to us.
我们不仅要了解他是个澳大利亚人——这本身就很有趣，他还会从澳大利亚人的角度，跟我们讲讲他的国家。
And we're gonna learn all about not only the fact that he's Australian, which is just interesting in itself, but he's gonna tell us about Australia from the Australian's point of view.
我们也会更了解他本人，聊聊他的工作，还有其他一些有意思的事。
We'll also get to know, him as well, and, we'll talk about his work and and other interesting things.
所以，我觉得现在是最好的时机，跟今天的朋友打个招呼，他就是丹尼尔。
So I think it's probably a good moment for me to just say hello to our guest today, and that's Daniel.
你好，丹尼尔。
Hello, Daniel.
你好。
Good day.
天哪。
Oh my god.
谢谢你邀请我。
Thanks for having me.
你太客气了。
You're you're very welcome.
登上卢克的英语播客，感觉怎么样？
How does it feel to be on Luke's English podcast?
简直太不可思议了。
It's just extraordinary.
刚才没开麦的时候，我已经学到了好多东西。
And, you know, I've been talking off mic, and and I've already learned so much.
真的吗？
Really?
对。
Yeah.
比我想象的还要好得多。
More than I could have ever hoped.
你刚才想说什么？
What did you can you
给我们讲讲？
tell us something?
我还真不知道僵尸是这样，对。
I didn't know that zombies Yeah.
它们会向前冲，在接近猎物时还会加速。
Fell forward or gained momentum as they approached their prey.
我以为它们是一直匀速走的，这让我好奇为什么它们不经常跑得更快一点。
I thought it was a steady and it just makes me wonder why they they don't move faster more often.
是的。
Yeah.
我的意思是，如果它们真有那种爆发力，为什么偏偏在最后关头却憋着不使出来呢？
Like, if if it's got it in them, if they have it in them for that burst, why do they withhold it at the end?
为了澄清一下，给听众们做个说明。
So with just to clarify, just for the listeners.
在我开始录音之前，我们聊过一点关于僵尸的事。
We we before I started recording, we talked a little bit about zombies.
我们当时在讨论《行尸走肉》。
We were talking about The Walking Dead.
对。
Mhmm.
你之前说过，
And you you basically said
因为你住得高，僵尸够不着你，所以你很安全。
because you live you live high up and you you're you're safe from zombie attack.
是的。
Yes.
我住在六楼。
So I live on the 6th Floor.
对。
Mhmm.
要是真爆发僵尸袭击，我觉得咱们在这儿挺安全的。
If there was a zombie attack, then I think I think we'd be alright up here.
是的。
Yeah.
门很结实，除非僵尸 somehow 跑到楼顶去了。
The door is very strong unless somehow zombies got on the roof.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
也许直升机坠毁了。
Maybe the helicopter helicopter crashed.
坠毁了。
Crashed.
那样的话，僵尸可能就进得来了。
Maybe then the zombies could get in.
但总的来说，我觉得我们在这上面挺安全的。
But generally, I think that we're quite safe up here.
还有电梯呢。
Well, there's the elevator.
僵尸当然能搭电梯，但电梯很小。
Obviously, they can catch an elevator, but it's a small elevator.
据我观察，我对僵尸也不太了解，但好像它们都伸着手臂。
And from what I can see, and I don't know much about zombies, but they all seem to always have their arms, each of them out stretched.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
这样挺好，至少能按按钮。
So that's good for, like, touching the button.
但我有点不确定，要是僵尸在电梯里，门还能关上吗？
But I'm not sure could the door close in your elevator with the zombie in there?
对。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
我觉得楼下走廊可能会有僵尸闯进来。
I think what could happen is that zombies could get into the hallway downstairs Mhmm.
他们就会那样。
And they would be like Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
你知道的，到处乱撞。
You know, bumping around.
是的。
Yeah.
其中一个会撞到电梯按钮。
One of them would bump into the elevator button.
哦，电梯就会下来，门就开了。
Oh, The elevator would come down the door.
哦，糟了。
Oh, no.
你得把门拉开。
You need to pull the door open.
哦，对啊。
Oh, right.
你确实得这么做。
You do.
这门相当重，得用力拉。
You need it's quite a heavy door.
你得把门拉开。
You need to pull it open.
僵尸拉不动吗？
And zombies can't pull?
他们可能会被卡住，然后向后倒下去。
Well, they they can get trapped and then fall backwards.
明白了。
Okay.
那样门就能打开了。
And that would allow the door to open.
对。
Right.
所以这种情况可能会发生。
So maybe that would happen.
它们会拼命推门，是的。
They would be pushing against the door Yeah.
因为下面有太多它们了。
Because there's so many of them down there.
对。
Uh-huh.
它们会拼命推门。
They'd be pushing against the door.
其中一个的胳膊卡在门把手上，然后摔倒，门就顺势打开了。
One of them would get his arm, like, trapped in the handle, and then he'd fall over and the door would swing open.
僵尸能自己爬起来吗？还是像牛一样站不起来？
Can a zombie get up or is it like a cow?
不能。
No.
他们能站起来。
They can get up.
哦，原来如此。
Oh, okay.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
如果他们还比较新近，没怎么腐烂的话
If if they are not you know, if they're quite fresh
嗯。
Uh-huh.
肌肉纤维还保持着不错的状态。
The muscle fibers are still in fairly good condition.
对。
Yeah.
它们能站起来。
They can get up.
它们能站起来？
They can get up?
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
它们可以。
They can.
这看起来优雅吗？
Is it elegant?
它们站起来的时候优雅吗？
Do they get up elegantly?
它们
Do they
不是。
no.
那简直一团糟，而且
That's it's it's shambolic and
对。
Right.
还很难看。
And ugly.
但是
But
它们必须一直游动，不然会像鲨鱼一样死掉吗？
Do they have to keep moving, otherwise they die like a shark?
不用。
No.
不用。
No.
它们不需要。
They don't.
不用。
No.
它们可以长时间处于休眠状态。
They can stay dormant for a long time.
哦，我完全不知道。
Oh, I had no idea.
我想，比如一个僵尸如果冻住了，假设它在俄罗斯，西伯利亚的寒冬里，是的。
I imagine, for example, if a if a zombie froze, if it was in in a very if it was in Russia, let's say, in the middle of winter in Siberia Yeah.
僵尸很可能会被冻住，但等到春天来了……
A zombie probably could freeze, but then spring would come around
明白了。
Okay.
然后那个僵尸就会融化。
And that zombie would be would melt.
是的
Yeah.
冰会化的。
Well, the ice would melt.
它会解冻的。
It would it would thaw.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
我们说的可不是雷神。
And then And we're not talking about Thor.
我们说的还是僵尸。
We're still talking about zombies.
是的
Yeah.
我们还没开始聊超级英雄呢。
We haven't started talking about superheroes yet.
如果有个僵尸把索尔干掉了，下一秒，那僵尸就会复活。
So if a zombie did Thor out and then next thing you know, yeah, that zombie would would reanimate.
是的。
Yeah.
当然了。
Definitely.
我平时根本不会想僵尸的事，但比如说，你真有个跑步机。
I don't ever really think much about zombies, but say for instance you did have a treadmill.
跑步机？
A treadmill?
对。
Yeah.
那是什么？
What's what's that?
只是为了我的听众们有时候
Just for my listeners sometimes
跑步机就是健身房里那种走路的机器吗？
A treadmill is a walking machine at a gym?
对。
Yeah.
健身房？
A gymnasium?
你可以在上面跑步。
So you run on it.
明白了。
Okay.
跑步的机器。
Running machine.
跑步的机器。
Running machine.
是的。
Yeah.
假设你把跑步机或椭圆机放在门口附近，僵尸闯进来，一脚踩上去，是的。
So say you put a running machine or a treadmill next to your, like, door and the zombie comes in and he steps on the machine Yeah.
他就只是在机器上待着。
And he's just he's just on the machine.
看起来就像他在跑步一样。
Like, that's it just looks like he's running.
他能从机器上下来吗？
Could he get off the machine?
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得可以。
I think so.
哦，我
Oh, I
明白了。
get that.
关键是僵尸这东西，你得知道。
If the you see, the thing is with zombies.
对吧？
Right?
你永远没法预料，它们总有些不按常理出牌的地方，总会有你想不到的状况发生。
You can never think, well, see that they're inconsistent and just there's always some tricky thing happens that you don't expect with a zombie.
是的。
Mhmm.
比如说，你以为没问题了。
For example, you can think, that's fine.
我们有围栏。
We've got a fence.
对。
Yeah.
僵尸根本冲不破这道围栏。
The zombies can't get through the fence.
对。
Yeah.
但总会出点状况。
But something's gonna happen.
会有一大群僵尸陆续赶到。
There will be enough zombies will arrive.
哦，原来如此。
Oh, okay.
它们聚在一起，一起往围栏上撞。
And as a collective force, they'll push against the fence.
是啊。
Yeah.
就算你把围栏建得特别结实
And even though you made it really strong
是的。
Yeah.
再坚固的围栏也挡不住一百个僵尸。
There's nothing that's gonna withstand, let's say A 100 zombies.
两百个，两万个僵尸，都不行。
200 20,000 zombies.
两万个。
20,000.
你会看到成群结队的僵尸涌来。
You get these huge herds.
达到临界点。
Critical mass.
是的。
Yeah.
它们会冲垮一切障碍。
They'll they'll push through anything.
是的。
Yeah.
它们在推进时会互相挤压踩踏。
They'll crush each other as they do it.
但最终，丧尸还是会冲过来。
But ultimately, the zombies will get through.
是的。
Yeah.
所以你可能觉得在六楼就安全了，但谁知道会发生什么呢。
So being up here on the 6th Floor, you might think it's safe, but there's you know, anything can happen.
因为我的观点是，只有彻底绝望的人才会死在丧尸手里。
Because I I my argument is you have to be absolutely hopeless to die by the hand of a zombie.
你是说，这种麻痹大意的心态，才是会害死你的原因。
You're saying that complacency, that's it's that very thinking that's gonna kill me.
是的。
Yeah.
这正是我们开始录之前聊的事。
That's what we were talking about before we started recording.
对。
Yeah.
丹尼尔，你说过，要是被僵尸咬了，那简直蠢到家了。
Daniel, you said, but surely you have to be just an idiot if you get if if if you get bitten by a zombie.
因为它是唯一一种会提前大张旗鼓宣告自己来了的捕食者，哦——
Because he's the only predator that like announces he's coming and Oh,
哦，僵尸来了。
Oh, zombies are here.
是的。
Yeah.
它们是唯一一种你能听见动静靠近的捕食者。
They're only predators that you can hear coming
没错。
Mhmm.
而且它们还特别慢。
And that are very slow.
对。
Mhmm.
但你看，你不能就这么想当然。
But you see, again, you can't assume that.
你不能觉得每次都能听见僵尸靠近。
You can't assume you're always gonna hear a zombie coming.
悄无声息。
Silent.
哦。
Oh.
有时候它们就突然出现在那儿。
Sometimes they're just there.
真够狡猾的。
How cheeky.
比如说，你可能会找到一栋房子，是的。
You might, for example, find a house Uh-huh.
看起来好像已经被遗弃了。
Which apparently has been abandoned.
是的。
Uh-huh.
你把整栋房子搜了一遍，却一点僵尸的痕迹都没发现，就觉得这下安全了。
And you go through the house and there's no sign of any zombies anywhere and you think, this is fine.
然后你坐下来放松，吃起了橱柜里找到的豆子。
And then you sit down and you relax and you you eat some beans that you found in the cupboard.
对。
Mhmm.
你待在那里大概有
And you've been there for like
我大概不会这么干。
I probably wouldn't.
我可受不了
I'd bloody hate
豆子。
beans.
是啊。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
对。
Right.
这大概就是我英式思维吧。
Well, that's I'm being English.
我会
I will
吃烤豆子。
eat baked beans.
好吧。
Okay.
过了几个小时，你正坐在那儿，觉得一切都没事，可你根本没意识到楼上浴室里藏着一个僵尸。
And then, a few hours afterwards, you're sitting there thinking everything's fine, but you didn't realize there was a zombie in the bathroom upstairs.
对。
Mhmm.
它其实一直处于一种半醒半睡的状态，因为周围没声音，什么动静都没有。
And it's been basically kind of, not asleep, but just not really awake because there's been no noise, no sounds,
你倒说得像僵尸特别会午睡似的。
no You make them sound like good nappers.
是啊。
Yeah.
我觉得僵尸在没人附近的时候，就会稍微休息一下。
I think that when zombies are not, near when there were no people around Yeah.
僵尸嘛，就是会打个小盹儿。
Zombies just sort of have a little nap.
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是的。
Yeah.
他们就是小憩一下。
They power nap.
对。
Yeah.
然后他们又复活了。
And then they come back to life.
嗯。
Mhmm.
有时候，比如说，如果那个僵尸穿着羊毛拖鞋的话……
And sometimes, yeah, they might just if if let's say the zombie was wearing some woolen slippers.
是的。
Yeah.
但那个被咬的人是在自己家里出的事。
But it was a guy who got bitten in his home.
他穿着羊毛拖鞋。
He was wearing woolen slippers.
对。
Mhmm.
所以这个僵尸到现在还穿着那双羊毛拖鞋。
And so that zombie is still wearing those woolen slippers.
他会是个安静的僵尸。
It's gonna be a silent zombie.
忍者僵尸。
Ninja zombies.
你觉得会有人歧视僵尸吗？
Would there be, do you think, zombie shaming?
比如说我被僵尸咬死了，结果没人来参加我的葬礼，因为他们会觉得，哎，这事儿怪谁呢，自找的。
So say if I died from a zombie and people wouldn't turn up to my funeral because they would be like, well or they wouldn't have sympathy for me if if I was like asking for it.
等一下。
Wait a minute.
就直接跑吧，最后。
Just run the So final
我对僵尸这事挺无所谓的。
I'm I'm complacent about zombies, obviously.
你说得对。
You're right.
你给我解释一下这个。
Explaining this to me.
是的。
Yeah.
我可能不会觉得有事，我觉得我靠门口那台跑步机就能挡得住它们。
I probably wouldn't have I would think, you know, I think I can fend them off with the treadmill near the door.
你想着，得想个简单的办法把僵尸解决掉。
You're thinking, I'll come up with some simple way to get rid of the zombies.
对。
Yeah.
我会没事的。
I'll be fine.
对。
Yeah.
你知道吗，你太掉以轻心了。
You you know, you're being complacent.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
That's true.
是啊。
Yeah.
那我就会在僵尸袭击中丧命。
So I die in a zombie attack.
没人会在意。
Nobody cares.
因为我确实太掉以轻心了。
Because I'm I was totally complacent.
反正我死了也没人在乎。
Am I my nobody cares about me dying.
为什么没人会在乎呢？
Why would no one care?
没人会在乎，因为他们会觉得，你没做任何准备嘛。
No one would care because they would think, well, you know, he didn't prepare.
那你觉得末日降临的时候，到底会是什么时候？
Well, you think that when the zombie apocalypse arrives When?
是‘如果’和‘什么时候’？
If and when?
对，就是如果。
If yeah.
好吧。
Okay.
当然了。
If, of course.
如果末日真的来了，你觉得人的价值观会变得如此不同，以至于我们不再在意那些安于现状的人的生命吗？
If it arrives, you think that the value systems are gonna change so much that we'd cease to value the lives of humans who are complacent?
这个嘛，我不确定。
Well, I don't know.
比如说，如果
Like, if
我正躺在铁轨上玩，结果发生了预料之中的事——一列火车撞上了我
I'm playing on a train track and, like, you know, and and something happens to me predictable, like, a train hits me
明白了。
Yeah.
人们会说：活该。
People are gonna go Good.
对。
Yeah.
嗯，也许算不上好。
Well, maybe not good.
不过，总之它……
But, anyway, it
他根本就不该在铁轨边上瞎玩。
was He shouldn't have been playing around on the train tracks.
没错。
That's right.
你都死了。
You dead.
而你当时正在四处张望。
And you're you you you were looking
你本该去找把锤子。
for a you would use a hammer.
你说你当时在房子里到处找。
You said that you were looking around your house.
你跟自己玩了个游戏。
You played a game with yourself.
等等。
But hold on.
等一下。
Hold on a minute.
我觉得没人会觉得这事儿靠谱。
I don't think anyone would would think it was a good thing Mhmm.
就算你当时挺大意的，要是真出事了。
If you died, even if you were complacent.
也许吧。
Maybe.
行吧。
Alright.
好吧。
Okay.
我不是说他们会认为这是好事。
There's I'm not saying they would think it was think it was a good thing.
我是说，他们也不会觉得这是特别、特别、特别糟糕的事。
I'm saying they wouldn't think it was a very, very, very, very bad thing.
我觉得。
I think
这就像是达尔文奖那样。
It would be like the Darwin Awards.
对。
Yeah.
他们会想，虽然少了一个，但也没那么糟，毕竟他也没怎么为团队做贡献，确实如此。
Would think, well, we lost one but it's not that bad because he was he didn't he wasn't really good for the for the group That's right.
因为他太安于现状了。
Because he was complacent.
对。
Yeah.
我们
We
在僵尸世界里，确实有这么一种情况。
There is a there is an element of that in in the zombie universe.
是的。
Yeah.
明白了。
Okay.
是的，团队里总会有人死去。
Yeah, some people die in the group.
对。
Yeah.
某种程度上，你会觉得这真让人难过。
And to an extent, you're thinking, oh, this is tragic.
但另一方面，你也会想，现在团队反而更强了。
But on the other hand, you're thinking, but now the group is stronger.
没错。
Right.
对。
Yeah.
所以我被踢出了简的圈子，还有其他人。
So I get get kicked out of the Jane pool and everyone else.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
我当时还拉着所有人。
I was holding everyone
也许这正是这个僵尸故事吸引人的地方。
Maybe that's part of the interest in this zombie narrative.
是的。
Mhmm.
这可能是人们幻想集体抱团、组成强大团队的一种方式，是的。
That it's somehow it's a it's a way for people to fantasize about the idea of ganging grouping together and getting a really strong group of people Yeah.
一个能活下来的团队。
Who were able to survive.
而我们生活中已经没有这种生存困境了，是的。
And that we don't have this kind of survival dilemma Mhmm.
再也不用担心了。
In our lives anymore.
没错。
No.
所以想象一下，如果我得为活命而战，会是什么样子，还挺有意思的。
And so it's quite fun to fantasize about what would happen if I had to fight for my life.
对。
Yes.
与其纠结自己那条推文措辞得怎么样，不如这么想想。
You know, rather than what would you know, rather than worrying about the way that you've worded that tweet.
是的
Yeah.
你操心的是怎么省下这些食物、水和弹药，好活下来，对吧？
Instead, you're worrying about how can I conserve this food and water and ammunition Yes?
为了能活下去。
In order to to survive.
我觉得这在美国特别受欢迎，因为美国人骨子里有种精神——我想独立。
And I think it's particularly popular in America because they have that sort of spirit, which is like, I want to be independent.
我想组建自己的家庭小团体，然后一头扎进荒野，看看能撑多久。
I want to set up my own family group, and we're gonna go off into the wilderness and see how long we can survive Like
民兵组织。
a militia.
是的
Yeah.
靠自己的本事生活，就像美国建国初期那样。
And live on our own means, like like in the original founding days of America, know,
西部荒野。
Wild West.
喜欢僵尸的人，像我这样不喜欢的，往往都是独来独往的人。
People who like zombies, and I don't, tend to be, and I'll I'll say this, loners.
是的。
Yeah.
他们在扮演一种关于集体精神的幻想。
And they're acting out their fantasy for community spirit.
没错。
Yes.
他们不参加板球俱乐部，也不打无板网球，而是幻想在末日来临时会怎么做。
They're And instead of joining a cricket club or playing netball, they're pretending what they would do in an apocalypse Yeah.
然后想象自己和同伴之间会有一种特殊的默契。
And then imagining that there's some kind of camaraderie amongst their fellow species.
是的。
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
没错
Yeah.
你可能说得对，这倒让我想起之前跟你说的那个故事。
You may be right, which kind of does go back to that story that I told you.
所以也许，也许我就是你所说的那种独来独往的人。
So maybe that maybe this maybe I'm one of those loners that you
也许吧。
Maybe.
我不是那个意思。
I didn't mean to.
这花了
It took
要让我 insult 你可真不容易，不过说真的，我们确实做到了。
a long way to get for me to insult you, but secure not Secutously, we did.
我没觉得被冒犯。
I'm not insulted.
你确实没觉得被冒犯。
You're not insulted.
我真的没觉得被冒犯，
I'm not insulted at
一点都没有。
all.
好吧。
Okay.
谢谢你理解。
Appreciate it.
事实上，尼尔·杨有首歌叫《独行者》，哦。
In fact, there's a there's a a Neil Young song called The Loner Oh.
我觉得这首歌特别棒，所以我一点都不觉得被冒犯。
Which I think is a brilliant song, so I'm not insulted.
哦，原来你喜欢当个独来独往的人。
Oh, because you like being a loner.
嗯，我是说，你知道的……
Well, I'd I'm, you know
你倒是给个准话啊。
Oh, make up your mind.
要么认了，要么就别认。
Either own own it or don't own it.
尼尔·杨有首歌，讲的就是这种两面性。
So there's a Neil song be both.
尼尔·杨有首歌明明说中了你的心事，你却死活不承认，就怕自己真是个独来独往的人？
There's a Neil song Neil Young song that speaks to you, but you refuse to admit that it speaks to you because you might in fact be a loner?
不是。
No.
我觉得我某种程度上是个独来独往的人，但并不完全是。
I think that I am a loner to an extent, but not exclusively a loner.
我的意思是，我身上确实有那么一部分，有时候我会觉得当个独行者挺好的，听那首歌的时候我就想，对，这感觉真棒。
I mean, there's part part of me or, you know, sometimes sometimes I feel, you know, like a loner and that feels good, you And, you know, I'll listen to that song and I'm like, yeah, that's that's cool.
是的。
Mhmm.
但也有时候，我不希望自己是个独来独往的人。
But there's also sometimes I feel like I don't wanna be a loner.
我更希望，说实话，我感到孤单的时候，这种感觉有点奇怪。
I'd rather, you know, I feel like I'm, yeah, lonely and something weird about it.
对。
Yeah.
所以我需要和别人在一起，才能让自己感觉好一点。
And so I I would need the company of other people to make me feel
没错。
That's right.
我觉得我挺正常的。
Like I'm I'm I'm normal.
没错。
Yes.
你懂的吧？
You know?
因为喜欢独处的人并不一定感到孤单。
Because a loner isn't necessarily lonely.
事实上，这两者几乎是相反的。
In fact, they're they're almost opposite.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Mhmm.
没错。
Yeah.
没错。
That's right.
我觉得吧，其实我很多时候一个人待着也没问题，真的，我能应付得来。
I think that I I think that basically, I'm I can I'm okay on my own a lot of the time, you know, I'm okay.
但我也不一定真喜欢这样，你知道的。
But I don't necessarily like that, you know Mhmm.
因为我觉得，这有时候让我显得有点怪。
Because I think it's it makes me a bit weird sometimes.
要是我一个人待久了，我完全没问题。
If I spend a long period of time on my own, I'll be fine.
但一重新跟人见面，我就意识到，天啊，我完全活在自己的世界里了。
But when it comes to meeting people again, I'll realize, oh my god, I'm I'm totally in my own world.
你一个人待多久算‘久’？
How long is a long time for you to be alone?
哦，也没多久。
Oh, not that long.
没多久？
Not that long?
就两三天吧。
Just a couple
两三天？
of hours?
两三天，比如周末我就可能这样。
Couple of Couple of days.
两三天。
Couple of days.
周末我可能会这样，你知道的。
A weekend, I might, you know.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Right.
但以前我真是，天哪。
But before I was oh, god.
是的。
Yeah.
好吧。
Okay.
在我和女朋友在一起之前，确实有段时间。
Before I, got together with my girlfriend, for Yeah.
我可能会连续过一个周末，完全不和任何人接触。
I might might spend a weekend where I don't really have any human contact.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Right.
是的。
Yeah.
这有点奇怪，对吧？
It's bit weird, isn't it?
那你得花多久才能把那些陈旧的念头清理掉？
Well and you how long will it take to blow the cobwebs out?
哦，不会的。
Oh, no.
没多久。
Not long.
好的。
Okay.
几分钟就行。
A few minutes.
太好了。
Oh, great.
但第一印象有时候会持续很久，就像那样。
But your first impressions last sometimes, and it's like Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
我也是这样。
I do that.
我的意思是，很多时候我唯一接触的都是来向我推销东西的人。
I mean, I so a lot of the time, my only interaction is with people who were selling me stuff.
没错。
Right.
如果我有一阵子没买东西了，就会去店里，手忙脚乱地翻硬币，还老是掉地上。
And if if I haven't bought something in a while, I, you know, will turn up and I'm fumbling coins and I'm dropping them.
我看起来真的像是在拖累店里的气氛。
I I just look genuinely like like I'm kind of bringing the mood of their establishment down.
没错。
Right.
因为你一想，哎，我有钱了。
Because you're like, oh, oh, I've got money.
哦，天哪。
Oh, oh, god.
这硬币到底怎么用啊？
How do I how do coins work?
我真的记不得了，说真的，我发誓，我上次拿着硬币没掉出来是什么时候，完全想不起来了。
I just can't I honestly, I swear, I I cannot remember, and this is not a joke, the last time I held coins
是啊。
Yeah.
而且每次都没拿稳，硬币全掉了。
And didn't drop some.
这太离谱了。
It is incredible.
简直难以置信。
It is unbelievable.
我几乎都会考虑到这一点。
I almost factor it in.
是的。
Yeah.
比如，我会在进店前先把钱数好。
Like, I'll I'll count money before I go into the store.
对。
Right.
然后我会想，钱放在这边口袋，而不是那边。
And and like, okay, the money's in this pocket, not in this part.
因为还要考虑到
Because also
你是说你得提前把硬币准备好，不然得翻找硬币的话，
You mean you you need to have the coins ready because if you need to sort through the coins,
一不小心就会掉出来
you've got drop
我的一些。
my some.
天啊。
God.
为什么会这样？
Why why is that?
你是紧张了吗？不是。
Are you nervous or No.
也许我确实是。
Maybe I am.
我以前是守门员。
I used to be a slips fielder.
什么？
What?
哇哦。
Woah.
哇哦。
Woah.
什么？
What?
我想我知道那是什么。
I think I know what that is.
那是
That's a
板球术语。
cricketing thing.
对。
Yeah.
因为你是澳大利亚人，你也喜欢板球。
Because being Australian, you're a fan of cricket too.
不像世界上大多数地方。
Unlike most of the world Mhmm.
我们特别喜欢板球。
We love cricket.
那‘滑行接球手’到底是什么意思？
So a slip fielder what is that exactly?
滑行接球手站在击球手身后。
Well, slip fielder stands behind the bat.
投球手投出的球速度非常快。
So the the you've got a bowler bowling very fast.
对。
Yeah.
特别快。
Very fast.
击球手想打中球，但有时候没打实，只是轻轻碰了一下。
And a batsman tries to hit the ball, and sometimes they won't hit the ball as well as they will like, but they will hit the ball a little bit.
球会从球板边缘弹出来。
It'll come off the edge of the bat.
我就站在击球手身后，等着接住那个擦边球。
And I'm standing behind the bat waiting for that edge to come to me.
所以你需要极其敏捷的反应。
So you need incredibly good reflexes.
没错。
Yes.
对。
Yes.
我以前能轻松接住球，现在连硬币都接不住了。
And and I used to be able to catch you, and now I can't catch a coin.
每次硬币掉地上，我都得穿着大衣弯着腰，费劲地想把一枚一角硬币捡起来。
Like, I can't it drops on the floor, and I'm every day, I'm, like, hunched over in, a heavy coat, like, trying to angle, a 10¢ piece up a little bit
是啊。
Yeah.
然后去捡，可就是捡不起来。
And pick it and it's just it's
有时候捡十美分硬币挺难的，尤其是地板是那种大理石的。
Difficult to pick up a 10¢ piece off the ground sometimes, particularly if it's a if it's like one of those marble floors
对，就是这样。
Oh, exactly.
所以我就专门找有瓷砖的地方。
Oh, well, that's why I angle for tiles.
我每次都盼着地上有瓷砖。
So what I I pray that there's tiles.
我会把硬币往两块瓷砖的缝隙那儿推，然后借着缝隙把它撬起来。
So I I I push it towards where two tiles meet, and then I can kinda leverage it up in the gap.
明白了。
Okay.
然后它就会顺着角度弹出来。
And then it it'll, like, shoot out at an angle.
哈哈，逮着了。
I'm like, gotcha.
对。
Right.
是的。
Yeah.
然后我就站起身来。
And then I stand back up.
你连捡硬币都有自己的技巧了。
You've even got your technique for picking up coins.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
你捡硬币的本事，比攥住硬币还强。
You're better at picking up coins than you are at holding coins.
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
我更擅长
I'm better at
捡硬币而不是打僵尸。
picking up coins than fighting zombies.
这没错。
That's for sure.
我是说，我早就想好了整个场景：比如在超市里，我还没到收银台，就已经把所有东西的总价算好了。
I mean, there's there's I've got I I have a whole scenario worked out for like, I'll I'll be in a supermarket, and I'll I'll add up already before I get to the counter how much it's all it's all gonna be.
但丹尼尔，你为什么总把硬币弄掉呢？
But, Daniel, why do you drop coins?
我的意思是，到底为什么？
I mean, what's
其实很多情况是因为，别人给硬币的时候，不知怎么的，完全不合常理。
Well, a lot of it has to do also with when people give you coins, they for some reason and it, frankly, defies everything.
所有我觉得合理的事，全都不管用了。
Everything I think is logical.
是的
Yeah.
他们会给你一张纸币，然后把硬币放在纸币上面。
They'll give you the note, and then they'll put the coins on the note.
所以硬币到处乱滚。
So so they slip and slide everywhere.
给您，先生，他们手里拿着纸币，硬币还堆在上面。
Here you are, sir, and they get the note in their hand and the coins on top.
对
Yeah.
你就会想，这让我怎么拿啊？
You're like, what am I supposed to do with this?
对
Yeah.
没错。
Exactly.
比如说，我给你一块木板，是这样的。
Like, if I gave you a plank of wood Yeah.
再给你一个乒乓球。
And a and a a ping pong ball
对。
Right.
当我把木板给你，然后试着把乒乓球平衡在上面，是这样的。
When I say, here's the plank of wood, and then I'll just I'll just balance the ping pong ball Yeah.
要非常小心地放。
Delicately.
我的意思是，看起来可能还行，但是……
I mean, it could look neat, but
其实根本不好看。
it's Oh, it'll look not great.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Exactly.
这就是重点。
That's the point.
这不太实用。
It's not practical.
其实挺实用的。
It's practical.
不是。
No.
每次我去购物，收银员都像是在摆拍一样。
It's like every time I shop, it's like people the cashier is like posing for a photo op.
真的不用这样。
It's like, no.
咱们还是务实一点吧。
Let's just go with what's practical.
对。
Yeah.
我们先说硬币。
Let's Coins first.
是的。
Yeah.
这跟看起来怎么样没关系。
It's not about the way it looks.
关键是它怎么运作。
It's about the way it works.
说得太对了。
That's exactly right.
硬币放在钞票上面，确实挺好看。
And coins on the top of a note, yes, they look pretty.
面值越高，钞票就越靠下。
The the more the higher the value, the lower the the note.
这背后是有道理的。
There's a logic to it.
是的。
Yeah.
但这些硬币终究只是在纸币上面滑来滑去。
But ultimately, those coins are just gonna slide around on top of the note Yeah.
只要我一拿起来，它们迟早会掉到地上，或者……
Soon as I hold it and then eventually they may either fall on the floor or Yeah.
要把硬币从纸币上转移到口袋或钱包里，真的挺麻烦的。
It's just gonna be difficult to transfer the coins from the top of the note into a pocket or a wallet.
最让我头疼的就是转移这一步。
Well, it's the transfer that kills me.
明白了。
Okay.
就是这个过程让人受不了。
That's the that's what gets
硬币会掉下来。
me coins drop.
天哪。
Oh my god.
而且如果你真能搞定，我甚至都不知道有人是怎么做到的。
And then because it's almost if you can manage to I I actually don't even know how anyone does it.
我简直惊呆了。
I I I'm gobsmacked.
再者，我会弄丢钱包，或者丢掉本该放在钱包里的东西。
And then there's the element of because I'll lose my wallet till I lose elements that are supposed to be my wallet.
这难道不让人意外吗？
And is there is it a surprise?
把所有东西塞进兜里，总比费劲打开钱包容易多了。
Because it's much easier to get everything into a pocket than it is to fiddle open a wallet.
我在法国，大家本来就都一脸不爽。
I'm in France, and everyone's grumpy anyway.
我不想耽误大家的时间。
I don't wanna hold everything up.
对。
Yeah.
你瞧。
So look.
所以这就是原因。
Anyway, this is why
不好意思，这是怎么回事？
Is this sorry.
这种事在法国发生过吗？还是你以前在澳大利亚经常遇到？
Is this something that has happened in France, or was it something that you used to experience in Australia?
这是新出现的情况吗？
Well Was it a new thing?
在澳大利亚，我们的纸币特别滑。
In Australia, we have incredibly slippery notes.
是的。
Yeah.
它们防水，各方面都做得很好。
They're they're they're like waterproof and everything.
是的。
Yeah.
我在很多方面都为澳大利亚感到自豪。
If they I'm I'm proud of Australia in a lot of areas.
我觉得货币方面，我们绝对是领先的。
I think currency is just we mean hands down.
是的。
Yeah.
太棒了。
They're brilliant.
这些钞票。
The notes.
那那那到底是什么东西？
The the the what are they?
你们的货币是什么？
What's your currency?
美元。
Dollars.
就是美元。
It's the dollar.
是的。
Yeah.
我以前和我爸还有其他人去过越南。
And and I I was in Vietnam with my dad and other people.
他们那种越南盾，是澳大利亚造的。
And he the dong is made from the Australian mint.
等一下。
Wait a minute.
哦，你是说那些造澳元钱的工厂也造越南的钱，对吧？
Oh, you mean the the factories that make Australian money also make the Vietnamese Yeah.
硬币和纸币？
Coins and notes?
所以我爸在越南的时候，经常拿着五十澳元的纸币到处给人看，想让他们注意到两边的相似之处。
So so dad would walk around Vietnam holding up like, a $50 Australian note showing showing Vietnamese people, and he wants to impress upon them the similarities.
不过你看这个。
But of Look at this.
是一样的。
It's the same.
对。
Yeah.
当然，他们只是觉得他
Of course, they just he
他们只是以为他在给钱。
they just think he's giving the money.
所以当他们伸手去拿的时候，他却把钱收回去，这就成了一个特别尴尬的爸爸瞬间。
So when they go to take it and he pulls it away, it's just an awkward dad moment.
是的。
Yeah.
你不能去越南那种地方，那儿的人收入远不如澳大利亚或美国，然后随便拿出一张澳元给他们看。
You can't go to Vietnam where they, you know, they don't have that much money compared to like in Australia or The States or something and just show them Yeah.
澳元。
Australian dollars.
然后还说：‘我觉得你们可能会想看看这个。’
And then just go, look, I thought you'd like to see it.
说完又把钱放回自己口袋里。
And then just put it back in your own pocket.
可他偏偏就这么做了。
And yet, that's exactly what he did.
对。
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
而且
And
对，他们其实根本不关心它长什么样。
and yeah, they don't really care about what it looks like.
对。
No.
对。
No.
他们更在意的大概是能用它买点吃的。
They they probably are more interested in just having it so they can buy food Mhmm.
我能想象。
I imagine.
对。
No.
没错。
That's right.
但我们对资金的使用是有时间窗口的。
But we've got we've got a window on our money.
我们确实有。
We've got Yeah.
你知道的，它里面含有塑料成分。
We've got, you know, it's got like plastic.
总之，关键是它。
Anyway, the point is it's
根本撕不破。
It's impossible impossible to tear.
你把它丢进洗衣机洗，拿出来还是完好如初。
You could you could put it you could put it in the washing machine, and it will come out, and it will still be perfect.
还会更干净。
It'll be cleaner.
会更好。
It'll be better.
对。
Yeah.
会更
It'll be
更有价值。
worth more.
所以它真的
So so it really
其实，硬币在纸币上滑来滑去这个问题，嗯，不是从法国开始的。
is basically, so the the problem with slippery coins on notes Yeah.
事实上，法国的情况可能还好些，不过也许我只是更担心互动时出问题。
Didn't begin in France.
不过也许我只是更担心互动时出问题。
In fact, it's probably better in France, but I maybe I'm more nervous about interacting.
所以这其实就是一种社交互动，你只是对社交有点紧张。
So it's like some social interaction that that it's just that you're slightly nervous about social interaction.
有可能是这样。
Could be that.
可能是这样，医生。
It could be that, doctor.
但确实如此。
But yeah.
不过说到底，澳大利亚的货币像特氟龙一样滑，我特别怀念它。
But but basically, Australian currency is like Teflon, and I miss it horribly.
你一打开，就知道了，有红色、黄色，还有绿色。
And you open it up, and it's know, we've got red, we've got yellow, you know, green.
颜色特别鲜艳。
It's very vibrant.
颜色真漂亮。
Beautiful colors.
哦，这看起来像是该挂在蓬巴杜风格装饰里的东西。
Oh, like, it looks like something that should be hanging in the pompadour.
你们的钞票上有女王的头像吗？
Do you have the queen on your banknotes?
确实有。
Indeed.
有的。
Yes.
对此你有什么感受？
And how do you feel about that?
等她去世之后，那会挺有意思的。
I it'll be interesting when she's dead.
是啊。
Yeah.
说到底，接下来会发生什么呢？
Well, well, you know, what's going to happen?
我跟你说吧，接下来会发生什么。
Like Well, tell you what's gonna happen.
好的。
Okay.
太好了。
Great.
她会再生……哦，天哪。
She's gonna regenerate Oh, fuck.
变成查尔斯王子。
Into Prince Charles.
哦，原来如此。
Oh, okay.
明白了。
Right.
我还以为你说的是《神秘博士》呢。
I thought you meant some Doctor Who.
这其实就跟《神秘博士》差不多。
Well, is like Doctor Who.
没错。
Sure.
从某种意义上说，女王确实去世了。
Because in a sense, yeah, it's the queen is dead.
新国王万岁。
Long live the king.
是的。
Yeah.
所以当女王离世时，虽然会很悲痛，但马上就会有新的继任者。
So when the queen dies, obviously, it will be tragic, but we're just gonna get a new one immediately.
对。
Yeah.
这就像是《神秘博士》某一季的结尾。
So we'll be like the end of a series of Doctor Who.
但我好奇这得等多久。
But I wonder how long it will be.
比如我到九十岁的时候，会不会说：你看，这还是伊丽莎白女王的硬币。
Like, will I be 90 and say, look at this.
这枚硬币上印的是伊丽莎白女王。
It's a coin with the queen queen Elizabeth.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得，女王去世的时候，当然会很悲痛。
I I think it I guess when the queen does die, obviously, it would be tragic.
但没错，所有造币厂都得开始印查尔斯王子的脸，要是他继位的话——他大概率会的。
But, yes, the all the mints will have to start producing producing notes with prince Charles's face if he becomes king, which he probably would.
澳大利亚人特别冷漠，简直冷漠到家了。
Australia is very apathetic, insanely apathetic.
这是我们的一大特点。
That's one of our traits.
你这话是什么意思？
You mean what what do you mean by that?
就是对那些不直接影响我们的事，我们不太放在心上。
Indifferent where where we we don't worry too much about things that aren't, you know, of immediate concern.
所以你的意思是，你不太关心女王，因为她对咱们的生活没什么直接影响？
So I guess what you mean is that, you know, the you're not that concerned about the the queen because she doesn't have immediate impact.
没错。
That's right.
我说的冷漠，其实是随性自在的意思。
So when when I say apathetic, mean laid back.
是的。
Yeah.
我们一向给人随性自在的印象。
We have a reputation for being laid back.
正因如此，共和制的讨论才渐渐没了声音。
And so much so that the republican debate kind of lost.
对。
Yeah.
所以我们说，女王在不在我们都不在乎。
So we said, I don't care if the queen's there.
那就让女王来吧。
Let we'll have the queen.
是的。
Yeah.
所以女王留下来了。
So the the queen stayed.
不过我想，等硬币换了，对。
But I reckon when the when the coins change Yeah.
大家就会想，我手里还有什么？
People go, what do I have?
查尔斯王子？
Prince Charles?
我现在在酒吧。
I'm at the pub.
我正看着查尔斯王子的脸。
I'm looking at prince Charles's face.
是的。
Yeah.
得了吧。
Come on.
我觉得这可能是个转折点。
I reckon that could be a turning point.
查尔斯王子的受欢迎程度不如女王。
Well, Prince Charles is not as popular as the queen.
女王确实很难被超越，你知道吗？尽管王室制度本身有争议，但不管你怎么看，女王在这个体系里做得相当不错，因为她一直没犯什么大错。
And the queen is gonna be a very, very hard act to follow because, you know, think you know, although the monarchy is a con controversial system, generally, the queen within that system, whether you agree with it or not, the queen has done quite a good job because she's managed to avoid making any big mistakes, you know.
她一直坚持到了现在。
She's basically hung in there.
她根本不用做任何事。
And she She doesn't have to do anything.
我的意思是
I mean
根本不用做任何事。
doesn't have to do anything.
不犯错其实很容易。
It's very easy to not make mistakes.
她只是没犯错，就得到了这么多赞誉。
She gets a lot of praise for not making mistakes.
犯错可能只是表达一下观点，比如像查尔斯王子那样。
By making mistakes, it could just be expressing her opinion or something like Prince Charles
又不是在广场上砍人头，比如。
Not beheading someone in the town square, like
或者只是说一句，我不赞成这个。
Or or just saying, I don't agree with that.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
或者暗示她更倾向某个政党，是吧。
Or or or suggesting that she likes one political party more than another Mhmm.
或者她信奉某些理念。
Or that she believes in certain things.
查尔斯王子其实挺敢说的。
Prince Charles is actually quite outspoken.
他有很多想法，也有自己的观点。
He's got all these ideas and he he's got opinions.
但王室成员本不该如此直言。
And that's actually not meant to be the role of of the monarchy.
他们本不该有任何立场。
They're not supposed to have any opinions.
不该卷入这些事。
That's to get stuck in
就是这么回事。
there.
但说实话，这根本不是‘可能’，
But that that's probably I mean, it's not probably.
而是历史上最近才出现的期待——王室不该有政治倾向。
It is historically a recent expectation that the monarchy not have opinions.
我觉得这其实挺好，因为他们不是民选的，你知道的。
Which is, I think, a good thing in a way because they're not elected, you know.
我们并没有选过他们。
We haven't chosen them.
他们之所以在位，是因为某种旧制度的残余——过去那种宣称君权神授的体系。
And they they're there because of the, you know, the leftovers of some old system, which used to say that they had divine right.
他们曾与上帝立过特殊的契约。
They had a special covenant with God.
你知道，我对这个概念本身并不反感，我觉得挺有意思——虽然我并不真相信她和上帝有什么特殊关系。
And, you know, I mean, I don't mind that as a concept because I think it's quite I mean, I don't believe in I don't really believe that she has a special relationship with God.
我是说，我不信这个。
I mean, I don't.
但我挺喜欢这种传统还保留着，而她实际上却没有任何权力或影响力。
But I quite like the fact that we've still got that in place and yet, she's got absolutely no power or influence.
她确实得在法律通过议会后，盖个章表示同意。
I mean, she does get you know, to basically stamp laws Mhmm.
等法律走完议会流程之后。
When they've been through parliament.
她最后只是象征性地批准一下。
She sort of okays them at the end.
但其实她根本不会真正干预。
But she doesn't really do it.
其实就是王室在文件上盖个章而已。
It's just the how you know, the the palace that's puts a stamp on it.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得，传统上往往是年长的男性特别欣赏那种有权力但没主见的女性。
So I feel like it is traditionally older men who really get a kick out of an idea of a a powerful woman, but without opinions.
这种认为女性没主见反而是优点的想法，我个人实在没法认同。
Like, this this idea that a woman without opinions is a good thing, I find personally.
我觉得这根本算不上什么值得称赞的品质。
It doesn't sit well with me as as a favorable character trait.
不过我承认，就这份工作而言，她确实做得不错。
I I agree that is as a job description, she's done well.
对。
Yeah.
但我并不想随便夸奖人。
But I don't wanna pat people on the back.
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