21. 牛津大学中国学生的英语播客学习建议

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大家好。

Hello, everyone.

我是卢克，欢迎来到卢克的英语播客。

This is Luke, and welcome to Luke's English podcast.

现在是伦敦的一个星期六下午，今天的天气有点灰蒙蒙的。

It's a Saturday afternoon here in London, and the weather is kind of gray today.

你知道的，天空中有很多云。

There's, you know, quite a few clouds in the sky.

没在下雨，但天空是灰色的。

It's not raining, but the sky is grey.

蓝色很少。

There's not much blue.

天空中有一些蓝色的云块。

There are a few patches of blue in the sky.

太阳正试图出来，但今天基本上还是阴沉沉的。

The sun is trying to come out, but basically it's quite a grey day today.

而且天气又热又潮湿。

And it's quite hot and quite humid.

所以这真是伦敦八月的典型一天。

So kind of a typical August day really in London.

希望不会下雨，但在英国，你永远无法确定。

Hopefully, it's not going to rain, but you never really know in in The UK.

你永远无法预料天气会怎样变化。

You never really know what the weather is going to do.

我计划很快做一期关于天气的播客，届时我会谈论英国的天气，以及如何用大量词汇描述不同的天气状况。

I'm planning a podcast about the weather soon, so I'll be talking about British weather and exactly how to describe the weather with lots of vocabulary for describing different weather conditions.

我很快就会制作这期播客。

I'll do that podcast very soon.

但最近，我遇到了一位来自牛津大学的学生，她是中国人。

But recently, I met a student from Oxford University, and she's Chinese.

她叫维基。

She's called Vicky.

那是她的英文名。

That's her English name.

她正在牛津大学攻读硕士学位。

And she's studying a master's degree at Oxford University.

她找到了我，我们见了面，她为她的大学论文对我进行了采访。

And she found me, and we had a meeting, and she interviewed me for her university dissertation, which she's doing.

在采访中，她为她的论文录下了我，而我则为这个播客录下了她。

And so in the interview, she recorded me for her dissertation, and I recorded her for this podcast.

我觉得，对于世界各地的英语学习者来说，听我这位母语者和维基这位英语为第二语言者之间的对话会非常有趣。

I thought it would be very interesting for for students of English around the world to listen to a conversation between me, a native speaker, and Vicky, who is a speaker of English as a second language.

现在，维基的英语很好。

Now, Vicky's English is good.

我的意思是，她的英语已经好到足以在牛津大学攻读硕士学位了。

I mean, it's good enough for her to be able to study a master's degree at Oxford University.

所以显然，她的英语非常好。

So obviously, her English is very good.

因此，听一听像Vicky这样母语非英语、但英语水平已达到足以进入牛津大学硕士课程的人，对你可能会很有帮助。

And so it it might be useful for you to to listen to someone like Vicky who who doesn't speak English as a first language, but who has learned English to a good enough standard to be able to get onto a course, a master's degree course at Oxford University.

这可以说是一个很好的例子。

So it's kind of a good example.

我认为Vicky是成功学习英语的人的一个好榜样。

I think Vicky is a good example of someone who has learned English, someone who's managed to learn English.

所以，我将播放我们那次访谈的部分内容。

So I'm going to play part of the interview that we had together.

在访谈中，她首先问了我很多关于英语教学和播客等问题。

Now in the interview, first, she asked me lots of questions about English teaching and about podcasting and so on.

之后，我反过来采访了她，了解她是如何学习英语的，以及她对二语学习者有什么好的建议或技巧。

And then after that interview, I interviewed her about how she learns English and if she has any really good advice or any tips on people learning English as a second language.

所以我要为你播放这段采访。

So I'm going to play that interview for you.

在采访开始前，让我先介绍一下维基。

Just before the interview, let me tell you a bit about Vicky.

她的名字现在是，我不太确定该怎么正确发音她的中文名。

Her name is now I'm I'm not sure how to say her Chinese name correctly.

我觉得是Yung Tzu，但可能我记错了。

I think it's Yung Tzu, but I might be wrong.

她正在攻读教育研究中的电子学习硕士学位。

She's studying a master's degree in educational studies in elearning.

也就是说，是教育研究中的电子学习，比如通过互联网在牛津大学学习。

So that's educational studies in electronic learning, so learning over the Internet, for example, at Oxford University.

她正在写一篇论文。

She's doing a dissertation.

论文是一种作为大学学位一部分的延伸项目。

A dissertation is like an extended project that you do as part of a university degree.

所以这就像一个很长的最终项目。

So it's like a long final project.

她的论文主题是关于在强化学习中使用播客教授和学习英语。

And her dissertation is on podcasting in teaching and learning English as a second language in intensive study.

所以显然，我认为我是她谈话的完美人选，因为我是一名英语老师，经常使用播客，而且我还自己制作播客。

So obviously, she you know, I think I'm the perfect person for her to talk to because I'm an English language teacher, and I use podcasts a lot, and I I I make my own podcast.

这对她来说非常合适，因为她正在研究播客在教授和学习英语作为第二语言方面的应用。

So that's very, you know, appropriate for her because she's doing a dissertation on podcasting and teaching and learning English as a second language.

这就是她想采访我的原因，以便获取我的观点并就此主题开展研究。

That's why she she wanted to interview me so she could get my comments and she could do research on the topic.

对吧？

Right?

现在她正在英国采访学习英语的学生以及教授强化英语课程的老师。

Now she's interviewing students in The UK who are learning English and some teachers who teach intensive English courses.

明白吗？

Okay?

所以她的研究主要集中在三个方面。

So her her research is mainly focused on three parts.

第一部分是探讨播客是否是一种帮助密集课程学生学习英语的有效方式。

Part one is the question of whether podcasts are a useful way to help students in intensive courses to learn English.

第二，探讨在第二语言教学与学习中听播客的优缺点。

Secondly, what the advantages and disadvantages are of listening to podcasts in second language teaching and learning.

第三，如果学生或教师不喜欢英语播客，原因是什么。

And thirdly, if students or teachers don't like English podcasts and why.

所以这些构成了她研究的基础。

So those that's the basis of her research.

只是为了给你一些关于维基在做什么以及她的研究内容的背景信息。

Just to give you a bit of background information on what Vicky is doing and what her research is about.

但我现在要播放给你的采访部分，实际上是我在采访维基。

But the the the part of the interview that I'm going to play you now is really me interviewing Vicky.

我们首先谈论了维基的名字、她名字的由来，以及事实上她的名字‘维基’是由她在中国中学时的老师给取的。

And we talk about first of all, we talk about Vicky's name, where she got the name Vicky, and the fact that actually she was given the name Vicky by her teacher in in in school, in middle school in China.

我们讨论了学习者应该如何帮助自己学习英语，Vicky 给了你一些关于如何学习英语以及应该采取何种学习方法的建议。

We talk about what learners should do to help them learn English, and Vicky gives you some advice on how to learn English and and the the the the approach that you should have to learning English.

Vicky 还给英语学习者提供了如何利用播客学习英语的建议。

Vicky gives some advice to learners of English on how to use podcasts to learn English as well.

所以，听一个并非以英语为第二语言、但已将英语学得很好的人分享经验，以及听取一位掌握英语并了解如何用播客练习英语的人提供的实用建议，对你来说应该会很有意思。

So, basically, should be interesting for you to listen to someone who doesn't speak English as a second language and who has learnt English to a good level, and also lots of useful advice from someone who has learned English and someone who knows about using podcasts to practise English.

明白吗？

Okay?

现在，我将为这段播客撰写文字稿，这样如果你想要理解每一个词，就可以阅读文字稿。

Now I'm going to write a transcript to this podcast so you can read the transcript if you want to understand every word.

但你会从 Vicky 的建议中看到，每次都要阅读文字稿其实并不是个好办法，因为这实际上对提高你的听力帮助不大。

But you'll see from Vicky's advice that sometimes reading a transcript every time is not a good idea because, actually, it doesn't really help your listening.

它只是让你理解了每一个单词。

It it just means that you understand every word.

所以你会从 Vicky 的建议中了解到，真正应该做的是：先不看文字稿，先听播客，尽力理解尽可能多的内容。

So you'll see from you'll hear from Vicky's advice that really what you should do with a transcript or with a podcast is listen to the podcast first without a transcript and try to understand as much as you can.

然后一边听一边看文字稿。

Then listen and read the transcript at the same time.

第三，再听一遍，但不要看文字稿。

And then thirdly, listen to it again without reading the transcript.

到第三遍时，你会理解得更多。

And you will understand a lot more by the third time.

好吗？

Okay?

我们来看一下。

So let's see.

现在我要播放这段采访。

I'm now going to play you the interview.

如果你愿意，可以在听的时候看文字稿。

And if you want to, you can read the transcript while you listen.

但我建议你先尝试不看文字稿来理解内容。

But I would recommend trying to understand it without the transcript.

如果没有字幕，听这种自然真实的对话可能会有点困难，但我认为，如果你能不依赖字幕坚持听下去，对你的听力会非常有帮助。

It might be a bit difficult to listen to such a a sort of natural authentic conversation without a transcript, but I think it's it's very good for your listening skills if you can survive without a transcript.

明白吗？

Okay?

所以先不看字幕听一遍，然后带着字幕再听一遍，最后第三次再不看字幕听一遍。

So listen first without a transcript, then listen to it again with a transcript, then listen to it a third time without the transcript.

明白吗？

Okay?

对。

Right.

这是我与中国籍的维基进行的访谈。

So here's the interview that I did with Vicky from China.

现在开始。

Here it is.

那么，你叫什么名字？

So what's what's your name?

维基。

Vicky.

对。

Right.

我的中文名字是王旭。

And my Chinese name is name is Wang Xu.

我知道对于英国人来说，要念对‘Wang Xun’这个发音挺难的。

I know it's quite difficult for English British people to pronounce Weiung, y u n.

对。

Right.

好的。

Okay.

那你为什么选择‘Vicky’这个名字呢？

So why did you choose the word Vicky?

就是‘Vicky’这个名字。

The name the name Vicky.

名字叫Vicky。

The name Vicky.

实际上，我第一个名字并不是我自己选的。

Actually, my the the first name I picked was it wasn't picked by me.

我的第一个英文名字是我老师选的。

The first English name English name was picked by by my teacher.

那是我刚上中学的第一天，老师说你们每个人必须有一个英文名字。

It was the first day when I got into middle school, and teacher said that you you you had to have an English name.

所以我们抽签决定。

So what we do is, like, draw lots.

你们抽签？

You draw lots?

抽签。

Draw the lots.

我抽到的第一个名字是，我想是Victoria。

And the first name I've got is like I think it's like Victoria.

是的。

Yeah.

然后我改成了May，因为Victoria对于中学生来说太长了，而且当人们邀请别人出去时，通常会说‘嗨，Sophie’之类的。

And then I changed into May because Victoria is too long for middle school student to pronounce and it's quite kinda you know, when when people would like to do when they invited someone out, it was like say, hi Sophie.

走吧。

Let's go.

嗨，Mary。

Hi Mary.

他们从来不会说‘嗨，Victoria’。

They will never say, hi Victoria.

走吧。

Let's go.

太长了。

That's too long.

音节太多了。

Too many syllables.

维多利亚。

Victoria.

嗯。

Yeah.

四个音节。

Four syllables.

他们很难把这个名字发音得优美。

And it's hard for them to pronounce to to pronounce beautifully.

所以他们会邀请像索菲、玛丽或简这样的人。

So they will they will invite someone like Sophie, Mary or whatever, Jane or whatever.

所以我就把名字改成了May，m-a-y。

So I I just changed the name into May, m a y.

M-a-y。

M a y.

May。

May.

梅。

May.

梅。

May.

但几年后，我觉得维基可能更好，因为我真的很想用维多利亚这个名字，和女王同名。

But after a couple of years, I think that Vicky probably better because I I would love to use the name Victoria, is the same name as the queen.

维多利亚女王。

Queen Victoria.

对。

Yeah.

维多利亚女王。

Queen Victoria.

我用维基作为我的昵称，这样人们叫起来更方便。

And I use Vicky as my nickname so that people will find it more convenient to call me.

维基。

Vicky.

只是更容易说。

It's just easier to say.

是的。

Yes.

只是更容易说。

It's just easier to say.

所以你的老师真的给你取了Vicky这个名字。

So your teacher actually gave you the name Vicky.

所以你说你抽签了。

So and and you said that you drew lots.

这意味着，显然，有很多名字写在纸条上，然后被放进了一个帽子里。

So that means, obviously, that there were a load of names written in a hat in on bits of paper and you put them in a in a hat.

不是。

No.

不是抽大签。

Not not major job lots.

人们会走到我面前说：我现在要为你抽一个签，纸上的名字就是你的名字。

People would walk bits in front of me and say, I will now draw a lot for you and that name on the paper should be your name.

我说：随便抽一张纸吧，哦，哦，兔子。

And I said, pick pick one of the paper and just oh, oh, rabbit.

就这样，兔子结束了。

It's over rabbit.

于是你就成了Vicky。

And you became Vicky.

Vicky。

Vicky.

被随机赋予一个名字，感觉怎么样？

How did that feel to just be kind of randomly given a name?

你一点都不介意吗？

Is it all you don't mind?

不介意。

No.

那时候，我根本不在意。

Well, at that age, I wasn't mind at all.

但现在回想起来，我觉得老师有点在操控。

But now when I think back it, I think the teacher is kind of manipulating.

你的意思是，老师只是有点不近人情，随便给你起了个名字？

You mean just sort of the teacher was a bit inhumane, just giving you a name.

是的。

Yeah.

但对她来说，这是给每个学生起名字最快的方法。

But it's the fastest way for her to to give name for every student.

他们必须这么做。

They have to do that.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Like yeah.

但她自己也遇到了问题，因为很多学生都会来找她，抱怨自己的名字。

But but she has she had also got problems because a lot of teacher a lot of students will came to her and complain about their names.

我不喜欢这个名字。

I don't like this name.

我想改名字。

I wanna change the name.

老师就直接回家了。

The teacher was just go home.

自己回家找个名字吧。

Just go home and find a name for yourself.

好吧。

Okay.

自己找一个名字，然后告诉我你叫什么。

For yourself and just tell me what your name your name is.

嗯。

Yeah.

但很少有学生会这么做，因为学生很难为自己找到一个合适的名字。

But seldom seldom the teacher the student will do that because the student will have a have a problem finding a proper name for themselves.

是的。

Yeah.

我可以想象，在中国，老师直接给你一个名字要容易得多。

It's basically I can imagine in China, it's just easier for the teacher to just give you a name.

这样更简单。

It's just easier.

我可以想象，让每个学生自己选名字会非常非常困难，因为没人知道该选什么。

I can imagine it would be very, very difficult to ask every student to choose their own name because no one would know what to choose.

是的。

Yeah.

每次他们选名字时，都会问你这个名字符合我吗。

And every time when they choose a name, they will ask you whether it's a good name for me.

是否，是的。

Whether Yeah.

我该怎么问一个问题，比如这个名字对你来说好不好？

How can I ask a question like whether it has a good name for you?

嗯。

Yeah.

一个教室里有三十到四十个学生。

And it's over 30 out of 40 students in one classroom.

嗯。

Yeah.

太多了。

It's a lot.

嗯哼。

Uh-huh.

嗯。

Yeah.

所以出于实际考虑，他们随便选些词作为名字。

So just for practical purposes, they sort of randomly choose words Randomly names choose words.

给你的。

For you.

嗯，Vicky，你知道，这很好。

Well, Vicky, you know, it's it's good.

这是一个常见的名字。

It's a kind of common name.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我表亲叫Vic，全名是Victoria。

My cousin's called Vic, Victoria.

Victoria。

Victoria.

所以

So

你来自中国。

you're from China.

对吧？

Right?

所以，是啊。

So Yeah.

那你在这里学什么？

What so are you studying here?

或者

Or

在这里学习。

Studying here.

嗯。

Yeah.

在牛津大学。

In Oxford University.

啊，牛津。

Ah, Oxford.

著名的牛津大学。

The prestigious Oxford University.

是的。

Yeah.

有点吧。

Kind of.

哇。

Wow.

那你现在在做什么？

And what are you doing?

实际上，我现在是教育学硕士生。

Actually, now I'm a student in MSc student in education.

是的。

Yeah.

我正在研究播客以及英语作为第二语言的教学与学习。

And I'm kind of doing research on podcasting and English learning and teaching as a second language.

对。

Right.

所以你找到了我？

So you've and you found me?

是的。

Yeah.

偶然的。

Randomly.

偶然的。

Randomly.

偶然的。

Randomly.

因为我采访了本，本把你介绍给了我。

Because I because I interviewed Ben and Ben introduced you to me.

所以这本该是偶然发生的。

So it could be it should be caught randomly.

我想是吧。

I guess so.

我想是吧。

I guess so.

嗯。

Yeah.

那么你现在正在研究播客和英语作为第二语言的学习吗？

Now so you're you're doing a master's degree on on podcasting and learning English as a second language?

我正在攻读教育和电子学习的硕士学位。

I'm doing a master's degree on education, e learning.

而且我在写一篇关于播客的研究。

And and I and I'm writing a research on podcasting.

好的。

Okay.

你的论文是关于播客的。

Your your dissertation is about podcasting.

好的。

Okay.

对。

Right.

显然你的母语是中文。

Now obviously you speak Chinese as a first language.

是的。

Yes.

所以，首先，在我们简要讨论播客之前，你对学习英语有什么快速的建议吗？

So first of all, before we talk about podcasts briefly, do you have any just quick tips for learning English?

因为你正在牛津大学学习，所以你的英语非常好。

Because obviously you're studying here at Oxford University, so your English is very good.

所以你能给出一些快速的建议吗？

So how can you just give like a few quick tips

只是快速的建议。

Just quick tips.

给我的听众吗？

For my listeners?

第一个是，你必须有足够的勇气去说。

The first one is that you have to be brave enough to speak.

你必须有足够的胆量去学习。

You have to be bold enough to study.

作为中国人，我认为你必须逼自己一把。

And as a Chinese, I think you have to be you have to push yourself a little bit.

逼自己。

Push yourself.

逼自己。

Push myself.

所以你需要有勇气，也需要逼自己。

So you need you need to be brave and you need to push yourself.

稍微逼自己一下，去记住那些词汇。

Push yourself a little bit to to memorize those vocabularies.

但我认为最重要的是学习，学习如何与人交流。

But I think the most important thing is to to to study, to learn how to communicate with people.

嗯。

Mhmm.

因为我还记得一件事，其实我并没有花太多时间。

Because I still remember one thing when I I I actually I I didn't I didn't use a lot of time.

我没有花很多时间去记忆那些单词或阅读。

I I didn't spend a lot of time on memorizing those words or on on reading.

我只是喜欢看电影。

I just I love watching movies.

我喜欢听这些音频材料，因为我认为你必须接触第二语言的输入，而不仅仅是纸上作业。

I love listening to this audio materials to because I think the you you you have to have the input of language, of a second language, but not only the the the paper work.

你必须有音频和视频材料，这样你才能看、读、听，没错。

You have to have the audio things, the video things so that you could get you you look, you read, you listen Yeah.

这使得你的输入更加多样化，也让你学得更快。

And and that is making and that is actually making your input diversified and that is making you you you actually I I learn quicker

嗯。

Mhmm.

比我同龄人强。

Than my peers.

所以因为你喜欢通过听音频、看视频、阅读，获得多样化的英语接触。

So because you love by getting audio, getting video, by reading, by having a diverse kind of exposure to English.

接触英语，嗯。

To English and Yeah.

并且让自己置身于英语使用环境中。

And kind of expose myself to the English speaking environment.

嗯。

Yeah.

这样更好，我认为这可能是中国学生最好的方式。

That's better and I probably that's the best way for Chinese students.

你必须真正生活在英语环境中。

You have to kind of live in English.

生活在英语环境中。

Living in English.

不要只从书本上学习。

Don't just learn it from a book.

你需要走出去，勇敢地去

You need to go out there and be be brave enough to

尝试并

to try and

融入其中。

live in it.

这不就是关于冒险吗？

It's about taking risks, isn't it?

是啊，有点吧。

Yeah, kind of.

是的，你得有足够的勇气去承担风险。

Yeah, you've got to be strong enough to take the risks.

但享受语言也很重要，不是吗？

But it's also about enjoying the language, isn't it?

你必须试着从你所听的内容中获得某种乐趣，或者享受说这门语言并提升它的过程。

You have to try and get some sort of pleasure out of what you're listening to or try and enjoy experience of of of speaking the language and improving it.

不是吗？

Isn't it?

是的。

Yeah.

这就是为什么我不喜欢新闻。

Because so that's why I I don't like the news.

我不喜欢听新闻，尤其是VOA新闻，或者国际新闻，那些都是关于耸人听闻的新闻，全是轰炸事件。

I don't like listening to news, especially like VOE news or especially like international news, which is about all about sensational news or all about the bombing.

轰炸，或者全是关于经济衰退。

Bombing or all about Or all about the recession.

我不喜欢它们，因为

I don't like them because

这让人沮丧。

It's depressing.

是啊。

Yeah.

真的很让人沮丧。

It's really depressing.

而且我觉得这实际上真的和我有关。

And I think what what is what what what what it actually, it is relates really to me.

这跟我没关系。

It's nothing with it's not my business.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我希望能听一些关于讲座的内容，关于学术方面的知识，关于我喜欢的人，关于电影，关于生活，实际上就是关于生活。

And I would like to would love to listen to something about lecture, about the educational part of academic things, about the the people I like, about the the movie, about the life, actually about life.

所以这就像是找到你感兴趣的东西，并用英语去追随它们。

So it's kind of like finding what thinking about your interests and following them in in English.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我的意思是，我不说日语。

I mean, I don't speak Japanese.

我会一点点。

I speak a little bit.

但当我住在日本时，我曾经有一台收音机。

But I used to, when I lived in Japan, I used to have a radio.

我买了一台收音机，就是为了听日语广播，因为有一个叫Shonan Beach FM的本地电台，就在我住的地方，播放爵士乐和一些不错的灵魂乐和爵士乐。我觉得听日语电台播放爵士乐是最酷的事，因为主持人会用日语谈论唱片，然后播放音乐，我会听他们用日语谈论爵士乐，我就是喜欢听日本人用日语谈论爵士乐。

I bought a radio just so I could listen to Japanese radio because there was a radio station called Shonan Beach FM which was the local radio station where I lived And they played sort of jazz music and sort of nice soul music and jazz music and I thought it was the coolest thing to listen to jazz music on a radio station in Japanese because the DJs would speak, they'd talk about the records in Japanese and then they'd play the records and I would listen to them speak in Japanese and I just loved hearing Japanese people talking about jazz in Japanese.

我不懂他们在说什么，但我享受对话的节奏，也喜欢辨认他们提到的人，我会边听边猜他们在谈什么。

I didn't understand what they were talking about but I enjoyed the rhythm of the conversation and I enjoyed identifying who they were talking about and I used to listen and try and guess what they were talking about.

我真心觉得，有时候我其实听懂了。

And I honestly believe that sometimes I understood.

我真的听懂了他们在聊什么。

I did understand what the conversation was.

你知道，他们会说，比如，那是迈尔斯·戴维斯，迈尔斯·戴维斯真的很棒，对吧？

You know, they would be saying things like well that was Miles Davis and Miles Davis is really nice isn't it?

对，而且

Yeah and

你就猜吧。

You just guess.

是啊，比如他1948年和约翰·科尔特兰合作录制了一张专辑，通过听一些内容，我能试着猜出他们在说什么，但我只是享受日本人谈论爵士乐的方式？听着真的很舒服。

Yeah, like he recorded a record with John Coltrane in 1948 and you know, just by listening to a few things I can kind of try and guess what they're saying but I just enjoyed how does a Japanese person talk about jazz music?' And it was just nice listening to it.

所以如果我在学英语的话

So if I was learning English

嗯。

Mhmm.

我会在网上找关于披头士的播客，找一些我感兴趣的内容的视频和音频来听。

I would be on the internet finding podcasts about the Beatles and finding finding listening and video things about stuff I'm interested in.

还有一种方式，最后一种，最根本的方式。

And there is one way, the last way, the ultimate way.

如果你找不到学习英语的方法，嗯。

If you find no way to study English Mhmm.

我有一个朋友刚开了个玩笑。

One of my one of my friends just made a made this joke.

嗯。

Yeah.

如果你找不到更好的方法学好英语，那就去酒吧，找个英国男朋友吧。

If there's no way for you to learn English better, no better way for you, just go to a bar go into a bar and grab a British boyfriend.

这方法也太离谱了。

That's an out of it way.

根本就没有办法学好它。

There's nothing no way just to learn it.

我能补充一点吗？

Can can I put a thing to it?

嗯。

Yeah.

嗯。

Yeah.

你可以这么说。

You can say that.

嗯。

Yeah.

嗯。

Yeah.

如果没有别的办法，那你就要找一个说那种语言的男朋友或女朋友。

There's no other way, then you just find a boyfriend or girlfriend who speaks that language.

我认为边做边学很好。

Learning by doing I think is good.

另一个我其实想了解的问题是，我们刚才讨论了如何尝试改进并从中获得更多收获，但我想给正在听这个播客的英语学习者或我的学生们一些建议。

The other question actually that I wanted to know about is so we talked about how I can try and improve and get more out of this but just advice for my students or advice for learners of English who are listening to this podcast.

他们该如何利用互联网上的播客来提高英语水平？

How can they use podcasts on the internet to improve their English?

你在这方面有什么建议吗？

There any have you got any advice on that?

其实有两个建议。

Two advice, actually.

第一个建议是，你第一次听的时候，不要依赖任何字幕。

The first one is that you first time first time you listen to it, don't don't depend on any transcripts.

就只是听。

Just listen to them.

你可以理解这个播客大致在讲什么，这一集在讲什么。

You could get the general message what the podcast is talking about, what what what this episode is talking about.

即使你听不懂，也不依赖字幕会更好。

Even though you could couldn't understand it, it's better not dependent on the transcript.

嗯。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

然后，如果你有字幕，可以再回过头去看字幕。

And then and then you you could turn back to the transcript if they have

有。

one.

是的。

Yeah.

然后去阅读它们。

And to read them.

不要逐字阅读，因为这不是你阅读的自然方式。

Do not read from word to word because you it's not the natural way you read things.

是的。

Yeah.

只要抓住大意，找出你不理解的单词，查一查，把它记下来，嗯。

It's just pick up the the the the general mess general message and pick up those words you don't understand and check it and pick it up Mhmm.

在词典里。

In the dictionary.

嗯。

Mhmm.

然后你再听一遍。

And then you listen to them again.

这样你就可以不看字幕了。

So you could without a transcript.

嗯。

Yeah.

你再听一遍。

You listen to them again.

这样你就能看到自己确实在进步。

So you could you could see you're you're actually making progress.

这非常重要。

That's which is quite essential.

这对那些学生来说非常关键，让他们能意识到自己正在进步。

It's quite critical for those students so that they could they could they could get the idea that I am making progress.