疯狂事实 🤯 真还是假？与阿姆伯和保罗 [987]

我知道。

I know.

对。

Yeah.

那你得更常来才行。

So you need to come back more often.

这事儿就这么办。

That's the that's the solution to that.

对。

Yeah.

我今天其实有个主意，能帮我把包递一下吗？

The idea that I've got planned, today actually, can you just pass me my bag?

好。

Yeah.

上次我去英国的时候，每次去看我爸妈，他们住在一个小镇上，我总爱在镇中心的慈善商店转悠。

When I was in The UK the last time, when I whenever I go and visit my parents, they live in a town, and I always go around the charity shops in the town center.

对吧？

Right?

我不确定你是不是也这样。

I don't know if you do the same thing.

太棒了。

Love that.

我超爱逛慈善商店。

Love going around the charity shops

特别喜欢。

Love it.

翻那些二手书店啊，之类的地方。

Looking through all the secondhand book shops and stuff like that.

我挑了本书，叫《听起来像胡扯的真实事实》，作者是谢恩·卡利。

And I picked up this book, which is called true facts that sound like bullshit, written by Shane Carley.

就是在一个慈善商店买的，我随便翻了翻。

And I just got this, in one of the charity shops, and I had a little flick through.

里面全是各种稀奇古怪又让人震惊的事实，分门别类的，我觉得特别适合做一期播客内容。

And it's full of, like, you know, fascinating, insane facts about the world in a variety of different categories, and I thought that would be good podcast fodder.

对。

Yes.

没错。

Yeah.

是吧？

Right?

简直是播客的绝佳素材。

Good fuel, good fodder for the for an episode of the podcast.

所以我现在就把这本书翻了一遍。

So what I've done is I've gone through this.

书里头有一些真假判断的小测验。

There are some sections in here which are true or false quizzes.

嗯，好的。

Okay.

所以我挑了大概二十多道判断题

So I've selected about 20 just over 20 true or false questions

太棒了！

I love it.

没错。

Yeah.

这些都来自这本书，全是听着像胡扯但实际上是真的事实。

From this book, true facts that sound like bullshit.

谢恩，你抓到重点了。

Shane You've got the idea.

你懂的。

You've the idea.

对。

Yeah.

快开始测验吧。

Get get to the quiz.

我还要继续吗？

Should I keep

再讲二十分钟？

talking for another twenty minutes?

直接跳到结尾吧。

Skip to the end.

看看这些事实，是真是假，你得猜出来

See the facts that are either true or false, you have to guess if they're true

是真还是假。

or false.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我们是联手对付你吗？

Are we working as a team against you?

不用。

No.

可以合作。

Can collaborate.

我是说，跟他对着干。

I mean against him.

不好意思。

Excuse me.

这个环节是我安排的。

I've I've planned this session.

抱歉。

Sorry.

对。

Yeah.

那我来问你们俩一个问题。

So I'll ask you both I'll I'll ask you both the question.

我来念一下这个声明。

I'll read you the state statement.

你们得一起商量，判断它是对还是错。

You have to decide collectively together if it's true or false.

好的。

Okay.

所以你们不是在互相较劲。

So we're not playing against each other.

不是。

No.

你们是一伙的。

You're together.

你们可以商量一下。

You can confer.

对吧？

Right?

好。

Okay.

你们知道‘讨论’是什么意思吗？

Do you know what confer means?

知道。

Yes.

我知道。

I I do.

你知道。

You do.

对。

Yeah.

那你们互相聊聊吧。

So speak to each other.

你们可以互相交流，讨论一下答案，然后一起给出你们的答案和理由。

You can talk to each other and discuss your answer, and then give your answer plus your explanation.

好的。

Okay.

我们来看看这是真是假。

We'll see if it's true or false.

有些情况下，我还会提供一些额外的信息。

And then I have in some cases, I have some more information.

好的。

Okay.

每个部分之后，我都会抛个随机的小问题让大家聊聊。

And I have a discussion question for some chat after each one, like a little random discussion question.

我们超喜欢这个。

We're loving it.

对。

Yeah.

这些问题涵盖各种主题，包括一些历史内容。

Questions are are are on a range of topics, including some history.

是的

Uh-huh.

叮。

Ding.

叮。

Ding.

自然和动物？不选。

Nature, animals No.

太空和科学——保罗。

Space and science Paul.

还有一些没法归类的奇葩冷知识。

And then just some mad facts that can't be categorized.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

我们会尽力的。

We'll do our best.

我们会

We'll do

尽力的。

do our best.

然后。

Then.

好。

Okay.

不错。

Cool.

那就这样吧。

That's that's alright.

不好意思。

Sorry.

喜剧？

Comedy?

不是吗？

No?

抱歉，跟跑步或者单口喜剧一点关系都没有。

Nothing about running or doing stand up comedy, I'm afraid.

那我们从历史开始吧。

So we start with history.

好。

K.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

第一个问题是这样的。

Question or statement number one is this.

有一位乘客，既在泰坦尼克号沉没时在船上，也在它的姊妹船不列颠尼克号沉没时在船上。

One passenger was aboard both the Titanic and its sister ship, the Britannic, when they were both sunk.

有一位乘客，泰坦尼克号和它的姊妹船不列颠尼克号沉没时，他都在船上。

One passenger was onboard both the Titanic and its sister ship, the Britannic, when they were both sunk.

我都不知道那艘姊妹船也沉了。

I didn't realize the sister ship sunk.

其实当时一共建了三艘，同一时期的。

There's actually there were three built at the same time.

三艘姊妹船。

Three sister ships.

那三艘都沉了吗？

And did they all sink?

泰坦尼克号、不列颠尼克号、奥林匹克号。

The Titanic, the Britannic, the Olympic.

奥林匹克号我听说过。

I've heard of the Olympic.

我以前从来没听说过不列颠尼克号。

I've never heard of the Britannic before.

泰坦尼克号和不列颠尼克号都沉了。

The Titanic and Britannic both sank.

奥林匹克号确实出过事故，但没沉。

The Olympic did actually crash but didn't sink.

所以重点是，有这么一个人。

And so the point is that there was one person.

我其实想把问题扩展一下，等等。

I'm actually gonna expand the question Wait.

你说的乘客，是船上的工作人员，还是花钱买票的乘客？

When you say passenger, were they working on the ship, or were they a a fee paying passenger?

是造船的那个人吗？

Were they the person who built the ship?

是在船上工作的人。

Working on the ship.

他们在船上工作。

They're working.

在船上干活。

Working on ship.

我打算

I'm I'm gonna

说是的。

say yeah.

我敢肯定我之前在某个播客里听过，答案确实是的。

I'm pretty sure I heard this on a podcast, and it's yes.

你想要进一步展开说说吗？

Do you wanna expand or at all?

嗯，其实有个特别有趣的事，我特别喜欢一个叫《我最爱的谋杀》的播客。

Or Well, there's actually some really fascinating so I really like this podcast called My Favorite Murder.

好的。

Okay.

他们已经好几次提到过泰坦尼克号了。

They've talked about the Titanic quite a number of times.

有个特别有意思的人，当时疯了一样救别人，自己跳船逃生，后来还去别的船上工作，结果那些船也全都沉了。

And there's this one particular guy who was like mad and he sort of saved people and then jumped off, saved himself, and then went off and worked on other ships, which then also sunk.

不过还有个，是叫……

But there's also Was it

那两艘船里，是第一艘沉的吗？

the first one to sink out of those two?

是的。

Yes.

我觉得应该是。

I think it was.

嗯，明白了。

Okay.

所以我觉得，可能不止一个人有这样的经历，但我记得他们说过，你想想，要是你当时在泰坦尼克号上，船沉了你还活下来了……

And so I think there's actually more than there might have been even more than one person, but I do recall them you know, people you think, gosh, if that if you'd been on the Titanic, it sunk and you'd survived.

你肯定会想：这船我是再也不上了。

You'd be like, well, I'm not getting on a ship again.

或者你会说：嘿。

Or you go, hey.

这种事再也不会发生了。

This is never gonna happen again.

这简直是百万分之一的概率，就像坐飞机出事还能活下来那样。

This is like a once in a million like, if you're on a plane crash and you survive.

对啊，就是这样。

It's like, right.

就是这么回事。

That's it.

没错，就是这样。

That's it.

说的就是我。

That's me.

是的

Yeah.

这种事不会发生在我身上

That's not gonna happen

绝对不会。

to me.

就像被雷劈中一样。

It's like being struck by lightning.

这种事怎么可能发生两次呢，

Like, how it's not gonna happen twice,

对吧？

is it?

除非你手里还拿着高尔夫球杆，大雷雨天还往山上爬。

Unless you just keep climbing that mountain with a golf club in your hand during during storms.

或者还去放风筝。

Taking your kite out.

是的

Yeah.

对

Yeah.

天气真糟

Stormy weather.

没错

Yeah.

我觉得这话说得没错

I'm gonna say I'm gonna say it's true.

你觉得这是真的？

You think it's true?

听着就像个铁板钉钉的事实

It sounds like a fact that it's It obviously It

听着特别像我听过的那些播客里的故事

feels like a story from podcasts I've heard definitely.

听起来确实像播客里讲的故事。

Definitely sounds like something on a podcast.

说真的，现在正在播的这个播客，讲的就是这事。

In fact, is something on a podcast, this podcast, right now.

所以，这事儿是真的。

So, it is true.

没错。

Yes.

她叫维奥莱特·杰苏普。

Her name was Violet Jessup.

她当时在船上工作。

She was working.

她在船上工作。

She was working.

她先后在那两艘船上，都幸存了下来。

She was aboard both ships and survived both disasters.

事实上

In fact

她经历的还更多吧？

She survived more, didn't she?

她还躲过其他几次灾难。

There was other disasters that she survived.

她还登过那艘姊妹船——奥林匹克号，当时也出了事故，不过船没沉。

She was also aboard the other sister ship, the Olympic, when it was involved in another disaster, but it didn't sink.

这简直太疯狂了。

So That is crazy.

那她后来干什么了？

And what did she do?

我是说，她到底

What what I'll

我跟你说点细节。

give you some details.

想听点细节吗？

Do want some info?

当然了。

Yeah.

绝对要听。

Definitely.

白星航运公司造了三艘同级巨轮，叫奥林匹克级，分别是奥林匹克号、泰坦尼克号和不列颠尼克号。

So the the Olympic class triple threat, the White Star Line built three massive sister ships, the Olympic, the Titanic, and the Britannic.

维奥莱特居然在每艘船最惨烈的时刻都在船上。

Violet managed to be on board for the most catastrophic moment in each ship's life.

咱们先说奥林匹克号。

So we start with the r RMS Olympic.

它撞上了一艘英国军舰，叫HMS Hawk，但船没沉，维奥莱特也没事。

It it collided with a British warship, the HMS Hawk, but the ship stayed afloat, and Violet was unharmed.

所以这事其实没啥好说的。

So not much of a story for that one.

她不是特别讨厌上船吗？怎么还老往船上跑？

Didn't she just to cut in, didn't she hate going on ships?

就是说，她其实特别抵触坐船，但还是硬着头皮干了。

Like, there was a thing that she just she absolutely hated it, but she sort of did it anyway.

我知道，在经历了这三件事之后，她接下来还是继续在船上工作了多年。

Well, I know that after these three experiences, she then continued to work on ships for, like, most of

整整余生。

the rest

是啊，她一辈子都在船上干。

of her life.

我是说，她其实挺喜欢——

I mean, she loved

后来就爱上它了。

it then.

所以据说，她——

So apparently, she

她

she

或者她其实说，嘿。

or or she's hey.

也许她心里想，我真讨厌坐船。

Maybe she's like, I hate going on ships.

太无聊了。

It's so boring.

天哪。

Oh, no.

我差点死了三次。

I nearly died three times.

这太棒了。

This is great.

他们怎么就撞上了。

Why they crashed.

她就说：‘得想办法加点刺激才行。’

She's like, oh, I gotta spice it up somehow.

对。

Yes.

她在船上都干了些什么？

What did she do on the ships?

还是你等会儿再说？

Or are you getting to that?

行吧。

Okay.

我想我明白了。

So I think I've got that.

就是泰坦尼克号那次。

So the Titanic one then.

当泰坦尼克号撞上冰山时，维奥莱特被命令上甲板，给那些听不懂指令的非英语乘客做榜样，安抚他们的情绪。

When the Titanic hits the iceberg, Violet was ordered up to the deck to serve as a reassuring example to the non English speaking passengers who couldn't understand the instructions.

这样说得通吗？

Does that make sense?

不通。

No.

所以，实际上有些不会说英语的乘客听不懂指令，维奥莱特就被派到甲板上安抚他们。

So, apparently, there were some non English speaking passengers who couldn't understand the instructions, and Violet was ordered to go on deck to reassure them.

因为她以前经历过。

Well, because she's been through it before.

所以她就表现得特别淡定：没事的。

So she goes, this is fine.

我们之前那艘船也没沉啊。

We're I've the the other ship didn't sink.

奥林匹克号就没沉。

The the Olympic didn't.

你们全都要演一部拿奥斯卡的大片了。

You're all gonna be in a big Oscar winning film.

太棒了。

It's great.

别试图往门上爬。

Don't try and get on the door.

总之，当她被放进16号救生艇时，一名船员递给她一个包裹——是混乱中有人弄丢的一个婴儿。

Anyway, as she was being lowered into Lifeboat 16, an officer handed her a bundle, the a baby someone had misplaced in the chaos.

她一直照看着那个孩子，直到卡帕西亚号赶来救援，一位女士——大概是孩子的妈妈——冲过来一把抱走孩子，连句谢谢都没说就跑了。

She looked after that baby until they were rescued by the Carpathia, where a woman, presumably the mother, grabbed the child and ran off without saying a word.

后来她继续在船上帮忙，照顾乘客什么的。

Anyway, so she was working, and she was kinda looking after passengers and stuff on the on the ship.

她最后上了其中一艘救生艇。

She made it onto one of the, lifeboats.

然后就是不列颠尼克号的九死一生。

Then the near death experience, at the Britannic.

不列颠尼克号沉没时，它正作为医院船使用，对维奥莱特来说，这比泰坦尼克号还要危险。

The sinking of the Britannic, which, was serving as a hospital ship, was actually more dangerous for Violet than the Titanic.

船下沉的时候

As the ship went down

这事我知道。

I know about this.

巨大的螺旋桨

The massive propellers

是啊。

Yeah.

船尾的螺旋桨在高速旋转，把救生艇往桨叶里吸。

Spinning at the back were turning, sucking lifeboats into the blades.

维奥莱特不得不跳下救生艇，才没被螺旋桨绞碎。

Violet had to jump out of her boat to avoid being shredded by the propeller.

她头撞在船底的龙骨上，导致颅骨骨折，但自己一直没发现，直到多年后看医生，因为老头疼，医生才提起来。

She hit her head on the ship's keel under the water, which caused a skull fracture she didn't even discover until a doctor mentioned it years later because of her frequent headaches.

顺便说一句，不列颠尼克号是被德国潜艇布下的水雷炸沉的。

The Britannic, by the way, stuck, struck a mine, that were had been laid by a German submarine.

这是第一次世界大战的时候。

This is First World War times.

天哪。

Wow.

是啊。

Yeah.

你可能会觉得她再也不会看大海了，但维奥莱特·杰苏普真是出奇地坚强。

You might think she'd never look at the ocean again, but Violet Jessup was, remarkably resilient.

她又在大船上干了整整三十四年。

She continued to work on big ships for another thirty four years.

后来开了家照相馆。

And then opened a camera shop.

她活到了八十三岁，1971年在陆地上平静地因心脏病去世。

She lived to be 83, eventually dying of heart failure in 1971 peacefully on dry land.

有个问题。

Question.

是的

Mhmm.

你坐过最糟的船是哪一次？

What's the worst boat ride you've ever had?

哦。

Oh.

你坐过很多船吗？

Been on many boats?

你有没有过特别糟糕的乘船经历？

Have you ever had a really bad boat experience?

我是经常坐往返英法之间的渡轮。

I mean, I've been on the ferry quite a lot to the England to France.

英法之间的海峡渡轮。

Cross channel ferry, England to France.

对。

Yeah.

那次船开得特别颠吗？

Has it ever been very rough?

我也坐过那趟渡轮。

I've been on the ferry too.

还挺舒服的。

It's quite nice.

我喜欢坐渡轮。

I like the ferry.

是的。

Yeah.

我对船没什么好感。

I'm not a big fan of a boat.

对。

No.

我也是。

Nor am I.

我得承认。

I must admit.

我真去了一趟，你知道吗？

I did go do you know what?

我和朋友安德烈亚去厄尔巴岛度假，他是意大利人，他所有朋友也都是意大利人。

I went on holiday to Elba with my friend Andrea, who's Italian, and all of his friends are Italian.

那是2003年，正好赶上热浪。

And it was the 2003 because it was the heat wave.

我和安德烈亚在酒吧打工，一出去就涂得满脸都是防晒霜。

And me and Andrea, we were working in a bar and we would come on and we were wearing all this sunscreen.

他们看到我们这么白，都笑我们。

And they were all laughing at us for being so pale.

都是他朋友。

And it was his friends.

他们总租条小船，划到海中央去。

And what we would do, they would take this little boat out into the middle of the sea.

我们根本不下海滩，他们就搞点野餐啥的，然后笑话我们白得跟纸一样。

We wouldn't go on beaches, they'd just have picnics and stuff like that and then tease us for being so white.

那些意大利女孩儿啊，真是怪得很。

And all the Italian girls, it was really weird.

她们特别爱晒太阳。

Like they loved the sun.

涂着防晒系数四的防晒霜，可就是死活不脱泳衣上衣。

They were like wearing factor four, but they would never take off their bikini tops.

法国女孩可不一样，直接把上衣一脱，晒得浑身油亮亮的。

It's just like French girls would just take off their top and just get like a really nice tan.

这事儿吧，就是朋友间私底下，挺自然的，没人觉得有问题。

It's just friends, you know, it's kind of quite private, like it's just very acceptable.

但在那儿，这事儿绝对不行。

But it's obviously like a no go.

结果她们身上就留下了一堆特别奇怪的晒痕。

So they had these really sort of weird tan lines.

我就想，宝贝，把胸露出来呗。

I was just like, get your tits out, love.

我的意思是，你干嘛这么拘谨啊？

I mean, like, why are you why are you being so modest?

感觉特别怪，因为当时就只有情侣和朋友在一块儿。

Like, just felt strange because it was like a it was just couples and friends.

因为他们最后都留下了奇怪的晒痕。

Because they ended up with these tan lines.

对啊。

Yeah.

也许在巴西那儿，这种晒痕还挺有魅力的。

And maybe that was desirable because they like that in Brazil.

反正我不会说意大利语，每次去那种野餐船上，我都喝了不少葡萄酒。

Anyway, I couldn't speak Italian, so I did end up drinking quite a lot of wine every time I was out on that picnic boat.

你试着想象一下吧，我知道我平时可清醒了。

Try and imagine because I know I'm very sober.

你想想看，阿姆伯喝醉了，还把胸露出来。

Just imagine Amber with her tits out drunk on wine.

我其实也把胸露出来了。

That's I did basically get my tits out.

我只是不想晒黑而已。

Was to keep I wasn't trying to get a tan.

当然啦，没错。

Of course, was yeah.

她确实这么做了。

She did.

所以呢，

And so

我当时呢，

I was

就是喝得醉醺醺的。

getting drunk.

所以那趟船程迷迷糊糊、醉醺醺的，还挺乱的，但感觉挺舒服的。

And so I I it was quite a sort of hazy, boozy, confusing boat ride, but it was quite pleasant.

嗯，还行。

Okay.

没那么糟。

That's not so bad.

总比躲螺旋桨强多了。

It's certainly better than jumping out of the way of a propeller.

是啊。

Yeah.

绝对别碰螺旋桨。

No propellers ever.

对。

Yeah.

好。

Okay.

我关于船的唯一不好的回忆，其实是在那艘渡轮上，是这样的。

My only negative memory of a boat, really, is well, actually, on that ferry Mhmm.

我现在要换个故事讲。

I'm gonna change the story now.

我们当时可能是学校组织去迪士尼乐园的旅行。

We were on a school trip, I think, to Disneyland.

从英国出发。

From England

从英国到巴黎。

to From England to Paris.

巴黎的迪士尼乐园。

Disneyland in Paris.

对。

Yeah.

或者我们是去比利时看战壕的。

Or it was to go see some of the trenches in Belgium.

不是同一次旅行。

Not quite the same trip.

我记不清了。

I can't remember.

但我们当时在学校组织的旅行中，坐上了渡轮。

But we were on a school trip on on the ferry.

后来发生了一件事，好像另一所学校的学生也坐了同一艘渡轮。

And at some point, something happened where I think there was, like, another school on the same ferry as us.

记忆有点模糊了，但我只记得被一群不是我们学校的、年纪更大的孩子追着打，我只好躲进渡轮的厕所隔间里。

My memory's a bit hazy, this, but all I do remember is be me being chased by some kids that were not from my school, that were older, trying to beat the shit out of me, and me hiding in the toilets, like, in their in their cubicle toilets of this ferry.

是啊。

Yeah.

那事儿真吓人，但跟船没关系。

It was really it was horrible, but it it wasn't related to the boat.

船本身没问题。

The boat was fine.

这不怪船吧？

Not the boat's fault?

不怪。

No.

不是船的

Not the

问题。

boat's fault.

搞得跟汤姆·汉克斯演的电影似的。

Like some sort of Tom Hanks film or something

对啊。

Yeah.

就是那种，

Where you,

嗯，没错。

you know Yeah.

就像《菲利普斯船长》那种情况。

Captain Phillips kind of situation.

明白了。

Okay.

我以前坐船经历过一次特别糟的事。

I had a horrible experience on a boat once.

那时候我在越南，下龙湾，你要是知道那儿的话。

I was I was in Vietnam, Halong Bay, if you know it.

那地方美极了，全是从水里拔地而起的奇形怪状的山，可我住的那艘船又脏又破，到处都是老鼠。

It's an amazing place with these incredible sort of rocky mountains that rise up out of the water and stayed on this horrible grotty boat, which was full of mice.

哦，我还睡在上铺，正对着发动机。

Oh, And I was sleeping on a in a bunk bed, right above the engine.

不知为啥，他们整晚都开着发动机。

And for some reason, they kept the engine all night.

所以那感觉就是——

So it was like this.

那可是我一整晚的遭遇。

This was my night.

哎呀，一只老鼠。

Oh, a mouse.

我不明白他们干嘛整晚开着引擎。

I don't know why they kept the

船上不是得养只猫吗？

You need a ship's cat, don't you?

对啊。

Yes.

那艘船真该养只猫。

They needed a cat on that ship.

那事儿是挺糟的，不过那地方真美。

So that wasn't great, but beautiful place.

不说这个了，再说第二件事。

Anyway, number two.

你准备好了吗

You ready

第二项？

for number two?

我们准备好了。

We're ready.

教皇啊，嗯，

So the pope Uh-huh.

曾经说过黑猫是撒旦的化身。

Once declared black cats to be an incarnation of satan.

教皇又说过一次，黑猫就是撒旦本人。

The once more, the pope once declared black cats to be an incarnation of satan, satan the devil himself.

不一样。

Differ.

对还是错？

True or false?

有个都市传说说黑猫会带来厄运。

The urban legend is that black cats are bad luck.

所以这我一点都不意外。

So that it wouldn't surprise me

对。

Mhmm.

要是真有这回事的话。

If that was true.

但话说回来，为啥黑猫就代表不吉利呢？

But, also, why are black cats unlucky?

为啥人们会觉得，你知道的，就像《黑客帝国》里那样？

Why are they supposed you know, like, in the matrix, the film.

我第一次听说黑猫不吉利这个说法，就是在《黑客帝国》里。

That was the first time I I had heard this myth about cat black cats being bad luck.

电影《黑客帝国》里就有这个情节。

It's in the film The Matrix.

我有时候会想保罗的事。

Sometimes I wonder about Paul.

这是他的参照点。

This is his reference point.

对。

Yes.

那个缺口。

The gap.

《黑客帝国》。

Matrix.

真够奇怪的。

So so weird.

你突然就碰上这么个事儿，心里就纳闷：这咋回事？

So you just suddenly come across one, and you're like, how?

你难道不记得那个

Do you not remember the the

是的，我们

Yes, we

我们都记得，但早就知道了。

all remember that, but we all knew it before.

我不记得。

I didn't.

我都不知道我们说的是这个。

I that was what we're saying

或者类似的东西，对吧？

or something, isn't it?

我想你有点小题大做了。

I suppose you're little.

他只是个小孩子。

He's only small.

他很小。

He's little.

听好了，猫这件事其实是个传说，跟法律搅在一起了，感觉也不太像天主教该有的样子。

Listen, that cats, it's kind of a myth and it seems that it's sort of mixed up with law and it doesn't feel very Catholic.

不过话说回来，确实有些教皇疯得离谱。

That said, some popes have been absolutely bonkers.

比如圣殿骑士团被酷刑折磨致死的时候，雅克·德·莫莱那一伙人，就是被逼着在酷刑下承认各种怪事——比如向一只猫形状的魔鬼膜拜，还有好多稀奇古怪的指控。

Like when the Knights Templar were tortured to death, Jacques de Molay and the gang, They made them under torture admit to all sorts of weird things, as in worshipping the devil in the form of a cat and all sorts of really sort of peculiar things.

那教皇有没有正式说过猫是魔鬼？

Now, did the Pope ever say bat cats are devils?

我不清楚。

I don't know.

但有没有人承认过，他们把猫当魔鬼来拜？

But have people admitted to worshiping the devil as a sort of cat?

我觉得这事儿有可能，而且很可能有关联。

I think that is possible, and it could be related.

十二三世纪的时候，发生过太多离奇古怪的事了。

A lot of strange hap things happened in the twelfth and thirteenth century.

听起来好像真有这回事。

It sounds like it could be true.

但这也可能是个陷阱问题，大家不都默认黑猫不吉利嘛。

But I I it could also just be a, like, a trick question of, like, oh, we all know that black cats are negative.

所以这事儿说不定就是这么来的。

So it could be you know?

那教皇干嘛要对猫的事儿发表意见啊？

And, like, what would the pope have to do to weigh in on cats?

对啊。

Yeah.

他管这干嘛？

Why would he care?

教皇至于亲自掺和猫这种事儿吗？

Why would the pope be getting his his his popely fingers dirty?

我也不知道。

I don't know.

说实话，我觉得两种可能都有。

I think, honestly, it could really it could be it could be both.

你觉得呢？

What do you think?

咱就选‘不是’吧。

Let's go with no.

既然第一首是真的，那咱们就这么定吧。

Since the first song was true, Let's go.

你是觉得第二首肯定是不是？

You're thinking the second one the second one is gonna be no?

行吧。

Okay then.

是的。

Yeah.

咱们得记个分，对吧？

To keep score here, don't I?

哦，对啊。

Oh, yeah.

记分吧。

Keep score.

所以我这儿有对有错。

So I've got right and wrong.

那你已经对了一个了。

So well, you got one right already.

所以你是说不对？

So you're saying false.

其实是对的，各位。

It's actually true, guys.

啊。

Oh.

它是

It's

对的。

true.

就是。

That's

还有更多。

more.

你答对了。

You were right.

十三世纪。

Thirteenth century.

是的。

Yeah.

教皇格列高利九世，没错。

Pope Pope Gregory the ninth Yeah.

1227年到12月。

'12, '27 to December.

他就是教皇。

He He was the pope.

那不是他的年龄。

That's not his age.

不是，不是那样的。

That's not Yes.

我觉得吧，你知道的。

You know, I think.

总之，教皇格列高利九世认为黑猫跟魔鬼有关系。

Anyway, pope Gregory the ninth believed that black cats were tied to the devil.

它们某种程度上跟魔鬼挂钩。

They were connected to the devil in some way.

我不太清楚他为啥这么想，但反正这导致很多信徒排斥——也就是拒绝，甚至杀害猫。

I don't really know why he thought that, but, anyway, that that caused many many followers to shun, meaning reject, or even kill cats.

有些人认为，猫因此大量减少

And some people believe that the resulting lack of cats

助长了瘟疫的蔓延。

Helped the plague.

对。

Yes.

没错。

Yeah.

因为没了猫，老鼠数量失控，而老鼠又携带瘟疫，所以间接助长了黑死病的传播。

Helped to contribute to the spread of the black plague because, obviously, cats weren't there to bring down the numbers of rats that carried the plague.

有人觉得，教皇说猫是恶魔的化身，结果无意中导致了黑死病的大范围扩散。

So some people believe that the pope sort of, saying that cats were of the devil led inadvertently to the spread of, the black plague.

是啊。

Yeah.

挺有意思的冷知识。

Interesting bit of trivia.

有问题吗？

Questions.

你信迷信吗？

Are you superstitious?

有哪些迷信事儿是你忍不住要做的？

What superstitions can you just not help following?

比如，要是黑猫从你面前跑过去，你会怎么想？

For example, how do you feel if a black cat crosses your path?

你有没有什么迷信的倾向啊？

Do you have any kind of superstitious tendencies whatsoever?

我偏反着来，故意这么做。

I do the I do them I do the opposite on purpose.

比如，我就会故意从梯子底下走。

Like, I will walk under a ladder on purpose.

真的吗？

Really?

对啊。

Yeah.

好吧。

Okay.

我的意思是，我其实不……

I mean, I don't I

我不建议那样做。

wouldn't recommend

我不会从梯子底下走，但不是因为迷信。

I don't walk onto ladders, but not because of superstition.

那纯粹是出于实际考虑，很合理。

That just feels practical, comprehensive.

这算是一种实用型的迷信吧。

That's one of those practical superstition.

不是的。

No.

我女儿学校里其实有很多黑猫。

There's loads of black cats at my daughter's school, actually.

可多了，而且都特别招人喜欢。

There's tons, and they're absolutely delightful.

不是。

No.

我的意思是，我不太确定。

I mean, I don't know.

我觉得这些迷信挺有意思的，因为它们往往源于法律、历史这类东西。

I think superstitions, they're fun because they come from law or history and things like that.

我觉得它们确实挺有趣的。

And I I think they really I think they're they're fun.

你知道吗，你得跟喜鹊打招呼？

And I teach you know how you have got got to say hello to the magpie?

得跟喜鹊打招呼，

You gotta say hello to the magpie,

是吗？

do you?

还是向喜鹊敬个礼？

Or salute the magpie?

好吧，行吧。

Well, okay.

等一下。

Hold on.

英国那边有个关于喜鹊的迷信说法。

There's a superstition in The UK about magpies.

我还以为就只要看到一只……

I thought it was just if there's one of

就一只。

them.

就一只。

Just one.

对。

Yes.

一只孤单，两只欢，

One for sorrow, two for joy, and there's

三只是女孩，四只是男孩。

for a girl, four for a boy.

三只代表女孩，四只代表男孩，依此类推。

Three for a girl, four for a boy, and so on and so forth.

还有一整套说法呢。

There's a whole

哎呀，我还不知道这事儿还有首童谣。

Oh, I didn't realize there was a song about it.

关于喜鹊有首顺口溜，喜鹊跟乌鸦是亲戚，黑白相间，属于鸦科鸟类。

There's a there's a rhyme about magpies, which are, related to crows, black and white birds, part of the kind of corvid family.

在英国，要是你看见一只喜鹊，那可不吉利。

And in, yeah, in The UK, if you see one magpie, that's bad luck.

要是看见两只，那就是好兆头。

If you see if you see two, that's good luck.

是的。

Yeah.

如果你看到一只，据说要跟它打个招呼，是吧？

And if you see one, you're supposed to say hello to it, are you?

嗯，你得向喜鹊敬个礼，或者打个招呼，总之得跟它说点什么。

Well, you're supposed to salute the magpie or you can say hello or, you know, you somehow sort of address the magpie.

为了化解霉运。

To break the bad luck.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Absolutely.

我们院子里就有一只。

One in our garden.

就一只。

It's just one.

我们从来没见过另一只。

We've never seen the other one.

我的意思是，就一直这样，全是……

I mean, it's all it's all it's like all

一直都是这样。

of time.

好像预示着什么不祥之兆似的。

Of doom, it would seem.

你肯定得脱帽致敬，或者举杯向那只喜鹊致意。

You need to certainly tip your hat, raise your glass to that magpie.

下次我一定这么做。

I will next time.

我不信这套，但觉得这么做挺好的。

I don't I don't believe it, but I do think it's a nice thing to do.

我带孩子出门，尤其是我女儿，她还小，一看到小喜鹊，就会跟它打招呼，比如：早上好，先生。

So when I'm out with my children or my daughter especially because she's little and we see one little magpie, we say, you know, good morning, Mr.

乌鸦，或者在英国，我们见到一只喜鹊就会说，早上好，先生。

Magpie or sometimes like, when England we say, good morning, Mr.

喜鹊，你家夫人最近怎么样？

Magpie, how's your lady wife?

有些人还会给它们敬礼呢。

And some people would salute them.

但其实不是因为迷信，就是觉得看到喜鹊挺开心的，打个招呼也无妨。

But, like, some sort of, like, acknowledgment of the magpie, not for superstition, just because it's pleasant to see a magpie and, you know, salute them.

我喜欢鸦科鸟类。

I like the corvid family.

没错。

Yes.

它们是鸟类里最聪明的。

They are the most intelligent of birds.

确实如此。

They are.