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大家好，各位听众。
Hello, listeners.
欢迎回到卢克的英语播客。
Welcome back to Luke's English podcast.
今天过得怎么样？
How are you doing today?
希望你一切顺利，也期待着收听这期全新的节目——专为全球英语学习者打造的播客内容。
I hope you're doing fine and that you're looking forward to listening to this brand new episode of my podcast for learners of English all around the world.
我先简单介绍一下这一期，帮你们了解背景，也提醒你们在听对话时可以留意一些细节。
Let me give you a brief introduction to this one just to give you some context and also to tell you some things that you can notice as you listen to the conversation.
你们也知道，这个播客里，我总是希望帮你们多听点英语。
So as you know, on this podcast, I like to help you to get more English listening practice into your life.
有时候，就是我一个人在讲。
Sometimes that means listening to me talking on my own.
有时候，我会请嘉宾来一起聊。
Sometimes that means that I'm joined by guests in my episodes.
和嘉宾对谈时，我的目标是让你们听到地道的英语口语。
With the guest conversations, my aim is to let you listen to English as it's naturally spoken.
我想让你们听到真实的英语对话，慢慢适应自然的语速。
I want you to hear real conversations in English so that you can get used to hearing English at a natural speed.
你们会习惯不同的口音，也会熟悉口语的表达方式——毕竟，口语和书面语差别挺大的，连读、即兴发挥都很多。
You can get used to hearing English in slightly different accents, and you can get used to hearing the spoken version of English, which, of course, is quite different to the written version with its connected speech and its spontaneity.
所以像这样的节目，你们能发现英语在现实生活里到底是怎么被说出来的。
So with episodes like this, you can notice the ways that English is actually spoken in the real world.
你可以注意到英语对话是如何发展和演变的。
You can notice the ways that conversations develop and evolve in English.
当然，你还能留意到一些表达、词汇和语法的用法，之后就可以学着自己用起来。
And, of course, you can notice bits of English, phrases, vocabulary, grammar being used, and then you can pick them up and use them yourself.
我会尽量邀请一些你感兴趣的嘉宾来对话。
And I try to present conversations with guests that you will find interesting.
这就是我的初衷。
That's the idea.
我具体是怎么做的呢？
How do I do that?
很多时候，我会找那些我 personally 有联系的人聊，这样能让对话更自然、轻松。
Well, a lot of the time, that means talking to people who I have a personal connection with just to get the right kind of friendly, relaxed atmosphere in the conversation.
我觉得这样听上去更舒服。
I find that makes for a more enjoyable listening experience.
所以我会和朋友、家人聊天，我的听众们特别喜欢这类对话。
So that means talking to friend friends, talking to family, and, my listeners seem to really enjoy these conversations.
所以这一期节目，我邀请了一位老朋友聊天，我们断了二十多年联系，最近才重新取得联络。
So then this episode features a conversation with an old friend of mine who I only recently reconnected with after not being in touch with each other for over twenty five years.
我们最近重新联系上后，觉得一起做一期播客会挺有意思的。
We've recently got back in touch with each other and decided it would be fun to do a podcast episode together.
这次我聊的是我一位老朋友，叫杰兹·布克。
So I'm talking to an old friend called Jez Booker.
我第一次认识杰兹，大概是在十六岁上六年级学院的时候。
I first met Jez when I was probably about 16 years old at 6th form college.
那时候我们属于同一个朋友圈，那群人真的特别棒。
We were both part of the same extended group of friends, an amazing bunch of people.
这一期我会讲点我们过去的经历，聊聊年轻时的那段日子——高中、大学前后，还有在伯明翰组乐队的时光。
So a bit of personal history here in this episode as we talk about a certain time in our lives when we were teenagers and then when we were in our twenties before and after university when we were together in a band in the Birmingham area.
你们会听到我们提到‘学院’和‘大学’。
You will hear us refer to college and university.
我想先澄清一下，我们说的‘学院’具体指的是什么。
College, I want to just make sure that you know what exactly what we're talking about there.
在英国和美国，‘college’这个词的意思有点不一样。
The word college means something slightly different in Britain and in The United States.
在英国，college是你16岁中学毕业后要上的地方。
In The UK, college is what you do after you finish school at the age of 16.
16岁中学毕业时，你要参加一种叫GCSE的考试。
So at the age of 16, you finish school, and you take exams called GCSEs.
如果你愿意，考完就可以结束学业了，但很多人会选择继续读书。
And if you want, you can just stop your education at that point, but a lot of kids continue their education, and they go on to study.
大多数人会接着读A-Level，这是在六年级学院里更高一级的课程。
Most of the time, they go on to study a levels, which is the next level of qualification at a sixth form college.
明白吗？
Okay?
通常来说，A-Level在六年级学院要读两年左右。
So that's a levels at a sixth form college normally for about two years.
之后他们就会去大学读学位，一般会去全国其他地方的大学。
And then after that, they go on to study at university, study a degree at university somewhere else in the country.
所以六年级学院就像是中学和大学之间的过渡，那里的学生通常被当作成年人对待。
So sixth form college is like a bridge between school and university, and students at sixth form tend to be treated a bit more like adults.
规矩少了很多，你也获得了一定的自由度。
There are fewer rules, and you're given a bit more independence.
我就利用这份自由，直接跑去了附近的公园，和朋友混在一起，逃课、不学习。
In my case, I took that independence, and I ran with it straight to the nearby park where I hung out with my friends not going to class and not doing any work.
接下来这段对话里，你会听到更多类似的事情。
You will hear more about that kind of thing in this conversation.
不过在听我和杰兹的对话时，有几点值得注意。
But things to notice in my conversation with Jez.
杰兹原本来自英格兰西米德兰兹的索利胡尔，就在伯明翰附近，正好在英格兰的中心地带。
So Jez is originally from Solihull in the West Midlands of England near the city of Birmingham, right in the center of England.
所以他带着西米德兰兹口音。
So he has a West Midlands accent.
那个地区就叫西米德兰兹。
That area is called the West Midlands.
所以Jez带有西米德兰兹口音，你可能会注意到。
And so Jez has a West Midlands accent, which you might notice.
其实我也有一部分来自那个地区。
I'm actually also from that part of the world, partially.
我出生到九岁左右住在西伦敦，之后我们搬到了西米德兰兹。
From birth until about the age of nine, I lived in West London, and then we moved to the West Midlands.
从九岁到十九岁，我一直住在索利哈尔，二十多岁时也断断续续待过一阵子。
So I lived in that area in Solihull from about the age of nine until about the age of 19, and then a little bit more when I was in my twenties as well.
但我的口音通常比较中性。
But my accent usually is a bit more neutral.
它已经慢慢变成了一种标准的英式口音。
It has kind of become this sort of neutral British accent.
别人常问我口音是哪里的，我就说这是南部口音，标准的英国南部英语，或者叫现代标准发音，确实大多数时候是这样，不过和伯明翰的朋友聚在一起时，我的口音会稍微变一点，带点伯明翰味儿。
People often ask me what my accent is, and I say it's southern it's standard southern British English or modern received pronunciation, which it usually is, except when I hang out with friends from the Birmingham area, when my accent changes a little bit, just a little bit, and I start sounding slightly more brummy.
‘Brummy’就是指伯明翰口音，或者伯明翰人。
Brummy is the word for basically the Birmingham accent or people from Birmingham.
所以你可能会在对话中注意到这一点。
So you might notice that happening in this conversation.
你可以听出Jez的说话方式，也能察觉到我的口音开始有点变化。
You can notice the way that Jez speaks and also notice the way that I start my accent starts to shift a little bit.
主要是我的语调会变得更有节奏感，就像我们说的那样。
This is mainly the intonation in my voice, which starts to sound a bit more sing song, as we say.
你留意一下这个细节。
So pay attention to that.
这叫语码转换，就是人们会自然地根据场合调整自己的表达方式。
This is an example of code switching, which is when people naturally adapt their way of communicating for the situation.
比如你使用的语言风格可能会不一样。
That could include just the sort of register of language that you're using.
举个例子，和朋友聊天时用轻松随意的表达，和同事工作时就转成更正式的英语。
For example, if you switch to a more business like form of English compared to a more informal type of English between speaking to your friends and speaking to colleagues at work.
或者，和老朋友聊起在伯明翰的日子时，口音也会不自觉地稍微变回来。
Or it might involve accommodating the accent a little bit, for example, when speaking to an old friend from the Birmingham days.
总之，你可以留意一下这一点。
So, anyway, that's something you can try to notice.
在这段对话中，你有没有听到我的口音有什么细微变化？
Do you hear any slight changes in my accent going through this conversation?
你能注意到Jez说话时那种米德兰口音的特点吗？
And can you notice just the ways that Jez speaks with his Midlands accent?
我们对话的主要内容包括：当年在大学一起混的日子，我们在伯明翰一起组的乐队，后来Jez在市场营销领域的职业发展，以及他最近开始在YouTube上分享自己热爱户外活动的视频。
The main points of our conversation are, first of all, our old days hanging out together at college, the band that we were both part of in Birmingham, then Jez's career in marketing and his more recent foray into the world of YouTube vlogging about his passion for the outdoors.
留意一下各种形式的营销用语。
So watch out for marketing language in its various forms.
关于这个开场，大概就说这些了，只有一点要补充——能像这样在播客里和老朋友重聚，真的特别开心。
That's probably all for for this introduction except to say that it was absolutely lovely to catch up with an old friend like this on the podcast.
希望你也享受这段对话。
I hope that you enjoy being part of it.
录音的时候我们遇到一些技术问题，不过我觉得现在已经解决了。
During the recording, we had some technical problems, but I think I've managed to fix them.
音质还不错。
The audio quality is reasonably good.
我尽量把音量调得够大、够清晰，我觉得肯定比普通的Zoom通话好多了。
I've tried to make it as loud and clear as possible, and I think it's certainly better than your average Zoom call.
总之，好好听这场聊天吧。等对话结束，我再回来跟你们做个简短的总结，顺便讲讲一些你们可能没注意到或者没听懂的地方。
Anyway, enjoy the chat, and I will talk to you again at the end of the conversation just for a little report of the conversation and perhaps to explain a few things that you might not have noticed or that you might not have understood.
好了，不多说了，咱们来听听我老朋友杰兹·布克尔的分享，现在开始。
But without any further ado, then let's chat to my old mate, Jez Booker, and here we go.
我一直在想，咱们是怎么重新联系上的？算起来，这都二十多年没见了。
So I was thinking, actually, how is it that we ended up reconnecting with each other after not seeing each other for, I think, it's over twenty years?
你还记得我们是怎么重新搭上话的吗？
Do you remember how we actually did that?
我觉得是因为我突然对YouTube产生了兴趣。
I think it was because I've suddenly become a lot more interested in YouTube.
我其实不记得是主动去找你的，但偶然就碰上了。
And so I I I don't I don't remember actively seeking you out, but I came across you.
于是我开了自己的YouTube频道，如果你感兴趣，我们可以聊聊这个。
So I started my own YouTube channel about which we can talk about if you'd like to.
我想正因如此，我才开始更多地浏览YouTube，好奇上面都有些什么。
And I think that's why I just ended up looking on YouTube more and going, what's out here?
我孩子从一开始就很迷YouTube，我总是坐在旁边问：你们在看什么？
And my kids have always been into YouTube since day dot, and I've always sort of sat in the background going, what are you watching?
这太疯狂了。
This is crazy.
我也该试试看。
I should get into that.
看着挺有意思的。
It looks really good fun.
这么多年轻人在上面赚得盆满钵满，玩得也开心，内容还都很棒。
And all these young all these young people are making loads of money and having a really good time, and they do good stuff.
以前他们小的时候，我们看的那些东西，简直怪得离谱。
They're not some of the stuff we used to watch when they were young was just weird.
就是那种，有人在房间里堆满充气球，还说‘我今天要把整栋房子都铺满盐，然后跳进去’的视频，
Like, you know, the ones where guys are in rooms and they're filling them with inflatable balls and they just go, today I'm gonna fill my house with salt and dive into it.
我当时就觉得，这也太浪费钱了。
I'm like, what a waste of money.
不过后来我刷到了一些关于Mr. Beast的内容，
But then you see some of the stuff Mr.
就是那个做挑战、会给有需要的人捐钱的博主，那时候我才觉得，其实这类内容还挺有意义的。
Beast Theory where he's giving money to people who need it, I'm like, actually, there's something quite nice about that.
我发现自己经常在家办公，挺孤独的，因为我做市场营销的工作，大部分时间都在家里。
And I found myself quite sort of lonely working from home a lot because I work from home as a marketing guy.
我就想，得找点事让我走出家门，去接触我想合作的那类人，顺便也乐呵乐呵。
I thought you know what, I need something that's going to get me out of the house and go and engage with the type of people that I want to work with and have some fun.
而且，既然孩子们整天泡在 YouTube 的世界里，我搞点 YouTube 的内容，说不定还能让他们觉得挺有意思，或者受到点启发。
And also maybe my kids will find it entertaining or inspiring that I'm doing a bit of YouTube because they're in that world.
所以嘛，孩子们还经常给我提些 YouTube 上的建议呢。
So yeah, my kids give me tips on YouTube.
他们会看我的YouTube视频，然后说这个无聊、那个有趣，或者提建议说要不要试试这个、那个，有时候还帮我拍点镜头。
They'll watch my YouTube content and go that's boring or that's funny or how about a bit of this, how about bit that, they'll do a bit of filming for me.
所以我让他们也参与进来。
So I'm getting them involved.
我想我们重新联系上，就是因为我自己后来花更多时间在YouTube上，然后突然想到你，就去搜了下LEP到底怎么样。
And I think that's why we reconnected because I just went and spent more time on YouTube and then you came up I think and I went oh, what's LEP got to?
我记得好多年前，几年前的时候，看过你拍的那个在伦敦采访游客的视频。
And I remember a long time ago, several years ago, I saw you do that video when you're in London talking to tourists.
我的天，那真是很久以前了。
I mean, it's really Oh, yeah.
真的特别早了。
Really old.
那个视频是
That's a
很久以前的事了。
long time ago.
是的。
Yeah.
我最早在2009年刚起步的时候拍过一系列视频，当时拿着一台DV摄像机，就是那种用数字磁带的老式摄像机。
The I did a series of videos, in right at the beginning of this in 2009, and I went out into London with a, like, a DV camcorder, you know, like a camcorder with a digital cassette in it.
没错。
Correct.
对。
Yeah.
这真是很久很久以前的事了。
This is really old olden days.
我走到街上，带了个三脚架。
And I went out in the street, and I had a a tripod.
我还穿了西装。
And I I wore a suit.
效果还不错，后来我没穿西装再拍的时候，路人明显没那么愿意配合了。
It seemed to work because people were more I I did others afterwards when I didn't wear a suit, and people were definitely less A bit
有点戒备。
sort of wary.
愿意和我聊天，但对街上这个陌生人就明显更小心了。
Interested in talking to me and much more wary of, like, who is this person in the street?
他怎么没穿西装？
Why is he not wearing a suit?
这是英国。
This is Britain.
我就是不想跟他说话。
Why is it I'm I'm not gonna talk to him.
他没穿西装。
He's not wearing a suit.
再配上一顶圆顶礼帽，我想。
And a bowler hat, I guess.
还没到那一步，但也许那才是通往更大成功的钥匙。
It didn't go that far, but maybe that would be the key to even greater success.
但这很合乎逻辑。
But Logical step.
我戴了个挂绳。
And I wore a lanyard.
我戴了个挂绳。
I wore a lanyard.
就是那种挂在脖子上的带子，上面别张卡片之类的，让自己看起来更正式一点。
You know, like a thing around your neck with a with a, a card on it or something just to make myself look a little bit more official.
效果还真不错，人们更愿意和我聊天了，也更愿意敞开心扉跟我说话。
And it worked, and people were much more willing you know, the people were willing to talk to me, and they were sort of, like, open with me.
他戴了个挂绳。
He's got a lanyard.
他穿着西装，还戴了个挂绳。
He's got a suit and a lanyard.
这才像回事儿。
That's a real deal.
我肯定会跟他聊聊。
I'll definitely talk to him.
我就问他们，住在伦敦最棒和最糟的是什么？
And I just asked them, what's what are the best and worst things about living in London?
我采了一些挺有意思的采访，剪成YouTube视频，反响还不错。
And, you know, I got some nice little interviews and made them into YouTube videos, and they did quite well.
那都是好多年前的事了。
And that was ages ago.
就这些了。
That's it.
我记得几年前看过那个，心想，League做得真不错。
Well, I remember watching that a few years ago and going, oh, that's cool what League's done.
到那时候，你肯定已经做了不少事了。
And maybe by that point, you you must have done quite a lot by that point.
我可能只是出于兴趣才去看了的。
I might have just looked it out out of interest.
但我现在自己也在做YouTube频道，所以会看你怎么做，然后不知不觉就陷进去了，觉得特别放松。
But I think because I'm now trying to make my own YouTube channel work, I'm looking at what you're doing and then kind of go down a Luke shaped rabbit hole and find myself going, this is really relaxing.
我觉得你做的事情真的让人很放松。
I find what you do really relaxing.
我其实不需要学英语，当然，也许我确实该把英语学得更好一点。
I'm not I don't I don't need to learn well, arguably, maybe I do need to learn better English.
我觉得我的英语已经说得不错了。
I think I can speak English quite well.
我都说了快四十九年了。
I've been doing it for forty nine years.
但我觉得，我看你的视频，和你的一些观众看的原因可能不太一样。
But I feel like watching you, I watch you for maybe a different reason than some of your viewers.
有些人是冲着学习来的，能学到很多东西。
Like, some people are looking for education and they get in, you know, they get loads of that.
我更多是觉得，嗯，这看着真舒服。
I get more, oh, this should be nice.
听我老朋友卢克说话。
Listen to my old mate Luke talking.
他的声音特别有疗愈感。
He's got a very therapeutic voice.
你的声音就是那种，嗯，特别有一种说不上来的感觉。
Your voice is just like, yeah, you've you've just got a very what's the word?
也许你能想到一个合适的词。
Maybe you can think of a good word.
一个合适的词。
A good,
有人说我声音很放松，甚至说能催眠，我对这个说法还真有点拿不准。
easy people say that people say that I've got a calming voice or even a sleep inducing voice, which I'm not sure how I feel about that.
是的。
Yeah.
确实有人跟我说，听你的播客能帮我入睡。
But people do say that, oh, I listen to your podcast, and it helps me fall asleep.
好吧。
It's like, okay.
行吧。
Alright.
我收下了。
I'll take that.
我就当这是夸我了。
I'll take that as a compliment.
这可不是它的主要用途，不过算了。
That's not what it's for, but okay.
算是个附带效果。
It's a side product.
不过，确实有催眠的效果。
But, yeah, soporific.
催眠的效果。
Soporific.
给你。
There you go.
对。
Yes.
说得太准了。
Exactly the right words.
催眠是它的同义词。
Sleep inducing is the synonym.
是的。
Yeah.
舒缓的。
Soothing.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
嗯，你知道吧，我觉得这事儿就这么慢慢发展成这样了——我觉得如果人们感觉放松，学英语会更容易。
Well, you know, I guess that's kind of evolved that way that, somehow, I think I think it helps people to learn English if they feel a lit if they feel calm.
你懂的吧？
You know?
压力这东西，据说真会影响语言学习，因为心理上一紧张，就会筑起屏障，脑子也转不动了。
Like, stress, they say, doesn't help you learn a language because just mentally, you put up barriers and and you can't think straight.
所以，一个平静舒缓的语调，我觉得确实能帮助语言学习。
So a calming, soothing tone, I think, you know, is supposed to facilitate language learning.
我想，这就是为什么变成这样的原因吧。
So I suppose that's how that's happened.
对。
Yeah.
你说话的时候，我突然想起基克了。
Well, you you while you're talking, I'm remembering Kirk.
你还记得基克吗？我们共同的朋友。
Do you remember Kirk, our mutual mate?
对。
Mhmm.
记得。
I do.
他现在住在澳大利亚，多年前我和他曾经一起为我爸爸工作。
He now lives in Australia, and me and he me and him used to work together for my dad years ago.
我记得他说：‘我想去西班牙，咱们去西班牙吧。’
And I remember he just said, I want to go to Spain, let's go to Spain.
于是我们就一起去西班牙，他有个朋友住在西班牙北部，那里有很多舞厅，还有……
So we went to Spain together, and he had a friend who lived in the northern part of Spain where they have all the ballrooms and Yeah.
那里会举办奔牛节，街头到处是派对，人们坐在马路上吃煎蛋，喝掺了可乐的红酒。
They they turn into a fest festival of bull running, and they have street parties, and you sit out on the road eating fried eggs and red wine with mixed with Coca Cola.
你试过吗？
You've had that?
是潘普洛纳吗？
Pam Pamplona, is that maybe?
不是那儿，是类似的地方。
Not there, but somewhere like that.
埃斯特雷利亚。
Estrella.
我想应该是。
I think it was.
好的。
Okay.
所以不管怎样，我们就去了那儿。
So anyway, we went there.
我们玩得挺开心的。
We had a good time.
我们住在当地人家里，所以都系着红白相间的腰带，特别投入地体验当地文化。
We were living with the locals, so we were wearing the white and the red sashes and like really getting into the culture.
红酒混着可乐一起喝。
Red wine and Coca Cola mixed together.
红葡萄酒，等等。
Red wine and wait.
红葡萄酒和可乐混在一起？
Red wine and Coca Cola mixed together?
通常早上十点，有时候九点。
Usually around 10AM, 9AM sometimes.
你一醒来，整个活动就开始了。
You'd get up with the whole thing.
真的是九点。
9AM really.
然后整个奔牛活动就从镇上穿过。
And you'd have the whole bull running thing going through the town.
总之我想说的是，我们去了那里，他想学，所以就在学西班牙语。
Anyway my point is we went there and he wanted to learn, so he was learning Spanish.
我记得很清楚，他特别沮丧，因为一位西班牙女士觉得他说的话特别好笑，这让他一下子紧张起来，因为他讲得不太对。
And I remember vividly him getting really upset because this Spanish lady found what he was saying really funny, which made him really tense up because he wasn't saying it correctly.
她这么指出的时候，我觉得语气挺调皮、挺逗的。
She was pointing that out, I thought in quite a flirty, funny way.
但他却觉得，她是在笑话我。
But he took it a bit like, oh, she's taking the piss out of me.
很多人去那儿学语言的时候，都会遇到这种情况。
And it just that's what happens to a lot of people there when they're trying to learn a language.
如果你试着跟人交流，对方却好像不帮你，甚至故意加快语速，你就会紧张起来。
If you try and interact with somebody and they're not or they don't appear to be helping you and they appear to be almost speeding up, it makes you tense up.
这样一来，你就没法放松去尝试了。
So you can't relax into trying.
但我比较放松，别人笑我我也无所谓，就随它去吧。
Whereas I'm more relaxed and I don't mind if people laugh at me, so I just kind of go along with it.
你要笑就笑吧，无所谓。
Oh if you're gonna laugh at me, fine.
但我还是会努力把我想说的词说清楚。
I'm still gonna try and articulate the words I'm trying to say.
所以，确实，我觉得说话慢一点、平静一点、友好一点，能帮人更好地理解。
So, yeah, definitely, I think it helps talk talking slowly, calmly, and in a friendly way helps people understand.
没错。
Absolutely.
确实如此。
It does.
对。
Yeah.
因为语言学习是非常个人化的事情。
Because language learning is a very sort of personal thing.
这其中牵涉到很多压力。
There's a lot there is a lot of stress involved.
还可能有很多羞耻感、挫败感，以及失败的经历。
There's a lot of, potentially a lot of shame involved, a lot of frustration, and failure as well.
你懂的。
You know?
因为很多东西都是在犯错中学会的。
Because a lot of it's you learn through failure.
当你没听懂、说不出想表达的意思时，
When you fail to understand something, you you you don't express what you wanted to say.
你就会出错。
You make a mistake.
然后你就干脆算了。
You whatever.
这确实容易让人打退堂鼓。
And so that can be quite off putting.
你知道的。
You know?
很多人就是因为这些原因放弃了。
A lot of people don't manage to do it for those reasons.
你知道的。
You know?
这种压力和相关的问题真的会让人止步不前。
Those sorts of stress, related issues can really stop people.
我其实想说的是，
What I
我觉得自己上YouTube就像在学一门新语言。
was thinking is me going into YouTube feels like learning a new language.
就是，我根本不知道自己在干嘛。
Like, I don't know what I'm doing.
剪辑也完全不精通。
I don't know really how to edit very well.
我倒不是特别怕失败，虽然也不喜欢失败，还是希望别人看了觉得我做得真不错。
I'm not too worried about failing, although I don't like failing, and I want people to watch my stuff and go, that's really good.
不过我也不是特别在意。
I also don't mind too much.
它并没有拖住我的脚步。
It hasn't held me back.
我想好了，要是真发生了，那就随它去吧。
I've gone, well, if that happens, so be it.
就像学语言一样，我愿意出丑，也许正因如此我才进步得更快。
Like learning a language, I'm willing to make a fool of myself, so maybe I'm better.
我一直挺擅长学语言的，因为我不怕说错。
I've always been quite good at learning languages because I don't mind if I mess up.
出错本身也是乐趣的一部分。
It's kind of part of the fun.
跟外国人聊天时，说错话反而能打破僵局，对方要是友善，通常会笑一笑，而大多数人都是友善的。
Can be a good icebreaker when you're talking to somebody in a different country to make a mistake because they go they laugh about it if they're nice, which generally people are.
大多数人其实都愿意帮你找到正确的词，或者用手势什么的，帮你把意思表达清楚。
Most people will want to help you figure out the right word or help you communicate in some way with hand gestures or whatever to get the point across.
我觉得做内容也是同样的道理，对吧？
And I think that's the same with creating content, isn't it?
很多人太在意这些，结果根本不敢开始创作。
Lots of people worry about it to the point where they never produce anything.
这让人不敢行动。
And that holds people back.
而我得克服这种恐惧，直接发出去，看看外界怎么反应，再慢慢改进，边做边学。
Whereas I've got to overcome that fear, I'll just go, well, put it out, see what the world says, and improve it, and figure it out as you go.
不然你永远都开始不了。
Otherwise, you'll never start anything.
是的。
Yeah.
完全正确。
Absolutely.
你得做很多事。
You gotta you gotta do a lot of stuff.
得大量创作，边做边学。
You've got to make lots of content, and learn as you go.
找到自己的风格往往需要很长时间，学语言也一样，刚开始的时候总觉得迷迷糊糊的。
And sometimes it takes quite a long time to find your voice, and it's the same thing in learning a language that you kind of, feel pretty lost at the beginning.
但只要你持续练习、不放弃，花时间投入并保持动力，最终你一定会找到感觉。
But then eventually, if you keep practicing and you don't give up and you spend time on it and you stay motivated, you you will eventually find your feet as it were.
是的。
Yeah.
我们稍后可以聊聊你的YouTube频道。
So we'll we'll talk maybe about your YouTube channel a little bit later.
我觉得我们得先谈点别的事。
I feel like we need to talk about some other stuff.
其实我想按时间顺序来聊。
We I I wanted to go chronologically, actually.
我们是怎么认识的，杰兹？
So, how do we actually know each other, Jez?
你还记得我们第一次见面是什么时候吗？
And do you remember when we first met each other?
让我想想，回忆一下那段久远的时光。
Let me look off into the distance, into the mists of time on my memory.
我觉得我们当时应该是在大学预科认识的。
I think we must have met in college, sixth form.
对。
Yeah.
我猜是这样。
My guess.
对。
Yeah.
你好。
Hello.
稍微打断一下。
Just a quick interruption.
希望你正在享受我和老朋友杰兹的这次对话。
I hope you're enjoying this chat with my old mate, Jez.
刚才你听到他说了，他花时间在YouTube上，后来决定开自己的频道，结果就这样重新找到了我，而我们已经很多年没见了。
There, you just heard him talking about how spending time on YouTube and then deciding to start his own channel led him to discover me there again after not seeing me for so many years.
然后我觉得他特别巧妙地把做YouTube内容比作学一门语言。
And then he quite cleverly I think managed to compare making YouTube content to learning a language.
说这跟心态、动力、自信和对失败的恐惧都息息相关。
How it's all related to mindset, motivation, confidence, fear of failure.
这个比喻真棒，我觉得Jez说得特别到位。
Very nice analogy, very well done by Jez I think.
就在这时，我问Jez还记不记得我们是怎么认识的，他一听就愣住了，眼神飘向远方，仿佛在回忆尘封的往事。
And at this point, I then asked Jez if he remembered how we first met, prompting him to stare off into the distance, into the mists of his memory.
就在这个时候，我们的录音突然出了技术问题。
And it was actually at this point that our recording was then plagued by technical problems.
网络不稳定，通话断断续续，严重影响了录音的流畅性。
There were internet issues and our call kept breaking up and it really sort of interrupted the recording.
所以我不得不花大量时间仔细剪辑，来修补这些小瑕疵。
And that means that I've had to do quite a lot of careful editing to cover these little problems.
而且Jez还不得不切换到他的iPad上，才把录音继续下去。
And also, Jez had to switch to his iPad to keep the recording going.
所以这段视频里有点小变化，这也解释了为什么我得额外做些小剪辑，来修复录音中的问题。
So that explains a slight change in the video here, and it also explains, hopefully, a few more little edits that I've had to do in order to fix the problems in the recording.
对于刚才的中断影响了你们的收听和观看体验，我真的很抱歉。
So I'm very sorry for the interruption to the enjoyment of your listening and viewing experience of this episode.
我们马上继续。
We're gonna continue just now.
接下来这段内容我特别喜欢和Jez聊，就是我们友谊的由来，还有大学时候组乐队、一起玩音乐的那些回忆。
And it's at this point that we got into some stuff that I found really enjoyable to talk about with Jez, and that's the history of our friendship and some memories of our college days and playing music in bands and stuff like that.
再次为刚才的中断道歉。
So sorry for the interruption.
现在我们继续。
Let us now continue.
我们接着来。
Here we go.
我们刚才说到哪儿了？
So where were we?
我想我们当时在聊刚认识的时候，我记得是在六年级学院认识的。
I think we were talking about, when we first met each other, and I remember we that we met each other at 6th form college.
那时候我们大概十六七岁吧。
We must have been about 16 or 17 years old.
你当时是通过我在六年级认识的一个叫杰克的朋友认识的，我和杰克组了个乐队，叫Skellington。
And you were, like, friends of a friend I made at 6th form called Jake, and I was in a band with Jake called Skellington.
你还记得Skellington吗？
Do you remember Skellington?
我记得到这个名字，但完全不记得他们的歌。
I remember the name, but I don't remember any of the music.
我只记得觉得这群人挺酷的。
I remember thinking these guys look cool.
他们是个乐队。
They're in a band.
我当时可不是乐队的。
I wasn't a band.
我不太懂音乐。
I wasn't musical.
但我记得自己被你们吸引住了，觉得你们这群人真酷。
But I remember being gravid magnetized gravitating to you guys thinking these these are cool dudes.
那真是特别棒的一段经历。
It was just the most amazing thing.
我们当时做的音乐叫放克朋克，名字已经说明一切了。
The the the music we did was this we called it funk punk, which is self explanatory.
就是那种弹得有点乱的放克音乐。
It was kind of like sketchily played funk music.
对。
Yeah.
那段时间特别开心。
And that was fantastic fun.
Jake当时也在乐队里。
So Jake was in the band.
是的。
Yeah.
在我看来，他是乐队的核心人物，歌都是他写的，键盘也是他弹的，等等。
Like, the main guy as far as I'm concerned in the band because he, like, wrote the songs and played the keyboards and stuff.
音乐天才。
Musical mastermind.
你和杰克一起上学，所以我把你当成杰克那帮老同学里的一员。
And so you went to school with Jake, and so I see you as part of, like, Jake's whole gang of the people he went to school with.
所以我从六年级就认识你了。
So I knew you from 6th form.
对。
Yeah.
说起来，我在六年级时成绩很差，老是逃课，干些不该干的事。
Actually, about 6th form, I was quite a bad student at 6th form, and I spent a lot of time not in class doing things I shouldn't be doing.
你呢？
What about you?
你在六年级的时候表现怎么样？
Did you how how did you get on in 6th form?
你的A-level成绩还行吗？
Did you get good A level results?
还不错。
Not bad.
我和杰克上学的时候，他简直就是个调皮得让人佩服的男孩。
I mean, me and Jake, when we were at school, I think he used to be an inspirationally naughty boy.
我们上历史课总是一直聊天、开玩笑、瞎闹腾。
So we used to talk a lot in history and chat and make jokes and mess about.
我们还经常一起去滑滑板。
And we used to go skateboarding together.
他简直就是我的滑板搭挡。
He was, like, my skate buddy.
因为他来自伦敦，所以我才接触到了滑板文化。
And that got me into skate culture because he'd come from London.
他之前一直住在伦敦。
He'd been living in London.
我记得他参加过保罗·佩尔塔的巡演，还送了我半张签了史蒂夫·卡巴列罗和迈克·麦吉尔名字的海报，我现在还留着，挂在阁楼里。
So he'd I remember he'd been to a Paul Peralta tour, and he gave me half a poster signed by Steve Caballero and Mike McGill, and I've still got it in my loft.
我觉得这人太酷了。
And I thought, this guy's so cool.
他妈妈有辆房车，而且他妈妈本身就在一支摇滚乐队里，他爸爸也是搞摇滚的。
And he had his mom had his van, and of course, his mom was in a rock band, and his dad was a rock musician.
我觉得他们一家简直太酷了。
I was like, these guys are so cool.
我就想，我得跟他多待在一起。
I'm gonna hang out with him.
后来我们就像普通朋友那样，慢慢走到了一起，成了死党。
And then we ended up, like, falling in love like good friends do and being mates.
这么多年过去了，我们还是好朋友。
You know, still mates now years later.
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你刚才问的是什么？
And what was your question?
就是一些关于大学时候的回忆。
Just had just just memories of college together.
对啊。
Yeah.
上大学的时候，我其实挺认真的。
College, I was I applied myself.
虽然也会调皮捣蛋，但该完成的任务我从不落下。
Like, I'd mess about, but I'd still get the job done.
作业我一定按时交，课堂表现也不错。
I'd make sure my homework got done, and I was good in class.
上课时我有点爱开玩笑，但该做的事一样没少。
I'm a bit cheeky in class, but I'd still make sure I did did the job.
到了六年级阶段，我开始被一些不该分心的事吸引，比方说比应该的更早去酒吧，还开始泡夜店，那时候舞曲突然火了，真是让人眼前一亮。
When I got to sixth form, yeah, I was distracted by things that I shouldn't have been and got into going out to the pub earlier than maybe I should have done and got into clubbing and dance music came along and was like, wow.
这完全是另一个世界。
This is a whole new world.
不过那种氛围真的很棒。
And but it was a really nice vibe.
我记得那时候我特别擅长在不同圈子之间穿梭，能跟摇滚迷、舞曲爱好者、嬉皮士都聊得来，我觉得每个人都很有意思。
I remember I used to be quite good at going between groups at college and going being able to talk to the rock kids and the dance kids and the hippies and the I used to find everybody fascinating.
所以我喜欢，现在还是喜欢。
So I liked, and I still do.
这正是我现在最爱做的事。
That's what I love doing now.
我喜欢跟来自任何背景、任何国家的人聊天。
I like being able to talk to anybody from any walk of life from anywhere in the world.
这也是为什么语言这么棒，对吧？
And it's another reason why language is a great thing, isn't it?
只要你能沟通，哪怕只是比划手势，或者用一点语言加上一点肢体表达，就能跟任何人交流，走到哪儿都能交到朋友。
Because you can just talk if you can communicate to somebody from anywhere, even if it's just through hand gestures or with a bit of language combined with a bit of visual aid, you can talk to anybody and you can go anywhere and make friends anywhere in the world.
这就是我热爱语言的原因，无论是口头的、视觉的，还是设计和艺术。
And that's what I love about language, physical language, visual language, design, art.
音乐其实也是一种语言，对吧？
Music even is a type of language, isn't it?
没错。
Absolutely.
对。
Yeah.
完全正确。
Totally.
确实是。
Is.
所以啊，是的。
So I yeah.
我想这就是为什么我当初被音乐、夜店、艺术、摄影这些创意事物吸引的原因。
I suppose that's why I was, yeah, I was drawn to I was drawn to music and clubbing and art and photography and creative stuff.
所以这大概就是我特别关注你、杰克、约翰尼、克里斯，还有班迪乐队的安迪·摩尔的原因。
And that's probably why I honed in on you and Jake and Johnny and Chris and Andy Moore from Bandy.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
他以前在乐队里。
He was in a band.
他现在还在乐队。
He's still in a band now.
他刚发布了一张迷你专辑。
He's got he just released a little mini album.
而且。
And
真的吗？
Really?
所以我一直对这类人特别感兴趣，也真的找到了他们。
So I was always drawn to those type of people and found them.
我跟谁都能聊，但总是更容易被那些有点创意的人吸引。
I could talk to anybody, but I was always much more engaged with the people who were creative in some way.
我们那群朋友真的特别棒，关系特别紧密。
It was a really great, really cool extended group of friends that we were all part of.
真的，想想都觉得不可思议。
I mean, it's amazing, really.
那时候还没互联网，也没智能手机，我们都在六年级后段天天往外跑，互相约着见面。
This is obviously the days before even before the Internet, before smartphones and everything, we were all just being very outgoing and hanging out with each other at 6th form.
然后就经常偶遇别人。
And then you'd bump into people.
去伯明翰啊，进个酒吧或者俱乐部，一转眼就能碰上一帮老朋友。
You'd just go into Birmingham or something, go to a pub or a club or something, and you'd just bump into all your mates.
那时候大家的社交方式特别自然，全都是这么慢慢串起来的。
So it was a very sort of organic way that everyone socialized and stuff.
那真是段特别棒的时光。
It was really cool, really cool times.
你得打电话，对吧？得打电话约人。
You'd you'd have to phone you'd have to phone, wouldn't you?
打个电话约好在城里碰头，然后搭公交车过去。
Make a phone call, arrange to meet somebody in town, get on the bus.
半路上，朋友又改变主意了。
Halfway there, your friend would change their minds.
等你到了城里，还得再打电话问：你人在哪儿？
So by the time you got into town, be phoning them going, where are you?
他们就说：哎，我们干脆在家待着，又聊了会儿。
And they go, oh, we stayed at home and had another Figure out.
结果你最后还是在城里碰上了别的朋友。
Just end up going and meeting some other people in town.
但那时候就是那样。
But it was just yeah.
那真是段好时光。
It was good times.
我们刚才中断前，你提到过一次冒险旅行，我想问问你具体情况。
What I was gonna ask you just when before we got cut off, you mentioned an an adventure trip.
你能再提醒我一下吗？
Remind me about that.
在索利哈尔六年级的时候，学校组织过一次户外探险活动。
So at Solihull six form, there was some sort of adventure sports adventure trip.
我记不清具体在哪儿了。
I can't remember where it was.
好像是在威尔士，但我记得自己报了名，可完全不知道还有谁参加。
It might have been in Wales, but I remember it was it was I signed up for it, and, I didn't know anyone else who's gonna I didn't know who was gonna be doing it.
当时有辆大巴接送。
There was a coach.
我提着行李到了学校。
I arrived with my bags at college.
那是在期中假期间，大概吧。
It was, like, during half term holiday or something like that.
我
And I
我到的时候，你也在，还有Phil，他是你学校里另一个朋友。
arrived, and you were there, and Phil was there, who was another one of your mates from school.
我当时就想，这俩人我认识一点，他们是Jake的朋友，那我就跟他们混吧。
And I was like, I kinda half know these guys because they're Jake's friends, so I'm gonna hang out with them.
那会儿我才真正开始了解你。
That's kind of the first time I got to know you.
我全程都跟你和Phil待在一起，你们俩特别棒。
And I hung out with you and Phil the whole time, and the two of you were brilliant.
你们特别幽默，脑子也特别机灵。
You're just so funny and so sort of sharp witted.
我们仨后来经常一起玩。
And the three of us, like, hung out a lot.
就是各种瞎扯，开很多玩笑，还互相模仿各种口音。
It's just a lot of mad banter and lots of jokes and speaking in different accents.
整整一周我们都在用那些奇怪又不同的口音聊天，玩得特别
We spent the entire the entire week talking in all these mad different accents, and we had a really
开心。
good time.
我都忘了自己笑过多少次了。
I forgot I've had a lot.
你知道吗？
You know what?
我拍过照片。
I've got I had photos.
我肯定找不到那些照片了。
I bet I can't find those photos.
不过你一这么说，我就想起一张你戴着皮划艇头盔的照片。
But I remembered as soon as you started saying that, I remember a photo of you with a canoe helmet on.
你可能还记得，还有菲尔和一排独木舟。
And you might remember it, and Phil and a row of canoes.
对，有这回事。
And Yes.
你还记得吗？那时候得把照片寄给TruePrint去打印。
Remember I putting one of my photos, like, in the days when you had to send your photos to TruePrint, get them printed.
我记得收到照片后，上面是我自己。
And I remember getting one back, and it was me.
我们当时去攀岩了。
We we did rock climbing.
对吧？
Right?
我肯定我们去过了。
I'm sure we did.
是的。
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
各种各样的事情
All sorts of things.
划独木舟、攀岩、山地自行车，全都干过
Canoeing, rock climbing, mountain biking, all that stuff.
是的
Yeah.
我有一张照片，拍的是我回头看着自己在岩壁上的影子，我把那张影子照片寄去参赛，结果在学院里得了个奖
And I've got a photo of me looking back at my own shadow of the rock climb, and I put that into I took a photo of myself or the shadow of myself, put that in and won a prize at college.
对啊
Oh, yeah.
是的
Yeah.
我本来打算当个摄影师的。
I'm gonna be a yeah.
我原以为自己会成为一名摄影师。
And I thought I was gonna be a photographer.
当然，后来我没当成。
And, of course, I I wasn't.
虽然没成，但我还是特别享受拍照，喜欢用不同的角度去发现创意的视角。
That didn't happen, but but I still take I get get a lot of joy from taking photos and creative ways of seeing things, like different angles.
而且确实如此。
And yeah.
没错，真的。
Oh, yeah, man.
这下我想起一段早就忘掉的全新回忆了，干得漂亮。
That's just a whole fresh memory that I've forgotten about well done.
是的。
Yeah.
那时候我们大概十六七岁吧。
We must have been 16, 17 years old at the time.
是的。
Yeah.
大概是1994年左右，差不多那时候。
It was probably 1994 maybe, something like that.
乐观点说，是1993年。
Bright side, '93.
对。
Yeah.
我知道。
I know.
真不可思议，对吧？
It's crazy, isn't it?
高中毕业后，各位听众，英国的第六学级通常指的是16岁到18岁这段时期。
So after sixth form so listeners listeners, sixth form college, that generally means, like, from the age of 16 to about the age of 18.
这是你离开学校之后要做的事。
It's what you do after you leave school.
在英国，我们通常16岁离开学校，那时候刚考完GCSE。
In The UK, we leave school at about 16 usually after we do exams called GCSEs.
如果想继续读书，大多数人会去上六年级学院，学A-Level，一般选三门左右。
And then if you wanna continue, studying in education, you'd probably go to sixth form college, and you take a levels, and most people take about three.
现在流行AS-Level，差不多相当于半门A-Level。
These days, it's like AS levels, which are kind of like half an a level.
所以现在的孩子一般会选六门AS-Level。
So kids these days will do about six AS levels.
是这样吗？
Is that right?
我孩子还小，没到这个阶段，我不太清楚。
My kids are too young to be at that stage, so I'm not sure.
不过听起来挺对的。
But it sounds about right.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
我们那会儿一般是三到四门A水平考试，成绩直接决定你能申请哪所大学，甚至能不能上大学，全看A水平考得怎么样。
In our day, it was, like, three or four a levels, and the results of your a levels will determine what university you can apply for, if indeed you can apply for university at all, depending on your a level results.
我A水平考得特别差，因为上学院时我太贪玩了，根本没好好学。
I got really bad a level results because I was a terrible student at college because I I just enjoyed myself too much.
那段时间可真爽。
It was fantastic.
但我成绩太差，只好留级一年，换了个学院重新读。
But I had to I got terrible a level results, I had to, stay back a year and go to a different college.
我一年内硬是挤进了两门A水平课程，学得特别赶。
And I did two other a levels in a year, kinda crammed two into a year.
最后总算考出了上大学需要的成绩。
Got the results I needed to get to university eventually.
那你后来怎么样了？
But what happened to you?
你不是上大学了吗？
Which did you you went to university.
对吧？
Right?
你上的是哪所大学？
Which university did you go to?
你学的是什么专业？
What did you study?
所以呢
So
我上的是大学，主修英国文学、德语和戏剧研究，还选修了一些通识课程。你有没有看过我演戏？我在高中时演过几部剧。
college, I did English literature, German, theater studies, and general general I don't know if you ever saw me acting, but I did a couple of plays at 6th form.
没有。
No.
我没有。
I didn't.
没有。
No.
我不知道。
I didn't know.
我演过一部哈罗德·品特写的两人剧，讲的是两个黑帮分子在地窖里的故事。
I did a two man play by Harold Pinter about two gangsters in a cellar.
哇。
Wow.
那可真有意思。
That was good fun.
是的。
Yeah.
特别棒。
Was really good.
我其实碰到了认识我过去剧团的人。
I actually saw my old I saw saw someone who knew my old theater.
是他老师，前几天。
I his teacher the other day.
第一次见面。
Met him for the first time.
总之，
And, anyway,
后来呢
what did
我做了什么？
I do?
我后来去诺丁汉大学学了德语。
I went on to do German at the University of Nottingham.
你学了德语啊？
You did German, did you?
我一开始学了一年德语，还辅修哲学，但三个月后就放弃了哲学，实在太费劲了。
Well, I did a year of German with philosophy, and I've dropped the philosophy after three months because it was too much hard work.
是的。
Yeah.
那时候我疯狂爱上了一个来自伯明翰的女孩，这成了我很大的分心事。
I was madly in love with a girl from Birmingham at that point, and so that was a big distraction.
所以我根本没怎么好好学习。
And so I wasn't really studying.
我满脑子想的都是想回家，到底要不要继续上学，是不是该留下来陪她，差点就想彻底放弃了。
I was just busy thinking I wanted to be at home, and did I really want to be at uni, and should I have stayed there with her, and almost wrote the whole thing off.
但学了一年德语后，我决定再也不学德语了。
But after a year of German, I decided I don't wanna do German anymore.
太难了。
It's too difficult.
语法太难了。
The grammar.
语法简直糟透了。
The grammar was, oh, horrific.
教我们的那个男的，衬衫底下还穿个背心，人特别差，搞得我们所有人都受不了，最后集体投诉他，根本就是个糟糕透顶的语言老师。
We used get taught by this guy with a vest under his shirt who was horrible to us all to the point where we all complained because he was such a bad bad language teacher.
你要想找一个差劲的语言老师，他就是个典型例子。
If you wanna meet a bad language teacher, that was a good example.
他真的太差了。
He was awful.
我敢说他专业知识是有的，可就是让我们每个人都觉得自己特别蠢。
I'm sure he knew his stuff, but he just made us all feel stupid.
我们都是大学生，这事儿挺奇怪的。
And we were university students, and it was strange.
那一年结束时，我就想转去学英国文学。
So I got to the end of that year and switched course, tried to tried to switch to English lit.
结果他们说我的成绩太好，不适合那个专业，这说法完全说不通。
Couldn't switch because they said my grades were too good for that cohort, which didn't make any sense.
那会儿还是说不通。
It still doesn't make any sense there.
所以我最后选了美国研究，涵盖了文学、欧洲对美国的影响、电影研究、阴谋论，各种各样的内容。
And so I ended up doing American studies, which was a combination of literature, European influence on America, film studies, conspiracy theory, all sorts.
历史、政治，几乎所有你能想到的都包括了，只不过都是围绕美国和美国历史展开的。
Really good history, politics, everything, almost like everything you could imagine, but in the context of America and the history of America.
是的。
Yeah.
听起来真有意思。
That sounds fascinating.
对啊。
Yeah.
我还去美国留学了大概六个月，可能还多一点。
And I got to go and study in America for, I think it was six months, maybe a bit more.
在密尔沃基大学，我居然还选了一门周六早上滑旱冰的课。
The University of Milwaukee, and I had a Saturday morning rollerblading module.
什么？
What?
这门课能算10个学分。
Which was worth which was worth 10 credits.
但我那会儿光顾着喝酒聚会，一节课都没去过。
But I was too busy drinking and partying, so I never actually made it to a single class.
你还有个周六早上轮滑的课程？
You had a Saturday morning rollerblading module.
所以你们大学的课程里真有轮滑，还算正式学分？
So part of your university course involved rollerblading, and that counted towards your your actual university studying time.
是啊。
Yeah.
要是我去上过课，那确实算的。
It would have done if I'd actually gone to any classes.
一本都没看过。
Never read it.
我记得第一天，就是那种感觉，哦，对，第一天。
There was, like, oh, the first I remember the first day again.
就在城里某个地方。
It's in town somewhere.
我有点宿醉。
I've got a bit of a hangover.
要不今天就别去了。
Maybe I'll skip it.
所以我干脆放弃了那10个学分，改修了美国历史和美洲原住民历史之类的课。
So I just lost the 10 credits and did it on other stuff like American history and native American history.
还有戏剧课，也选了。
Theater was in there.
就一点点。
Little bit.
正因如此我才喜欢这所学校。
Everything that's why I liked it.
内容特别丰富多样。
It was lots of variety.
是的。
Yeah.
读很多书，特别有意思。
Lots of reading and just good fun.
我还能去美国旅行，真的很棒。
Like, I got to travel and go to America, so it was really cool.
听起来是个很吸引人的主题，
Sounds like a fascinating subject,
我得说一句。
I have to say.
比如那个阴谋论，
Like, the conspiracy theory
这部分特别有趣。
part is very interesting.
还有电影研究，比如经典美国电影，它们背后的意义之类的。
Film studies as well, like traditional American films and, like, what they all meant and yeah.
这跟我当年学的其实挺像的。
It's not not not dissimilar to what I did.
我学的是文化研究， basically。
So I did cultural studies, basically.
我学的是媒体与文化研究，跟你们那边有些内容是重叠的。
I did media and cultural studies, which, you know, sort of crosses over with some of the stuff you did.
我也做了不少电影研究，没错。
So I did a lot of film studies and Yeah.
还学了别的，比如后现代理论之类的，没错。
Other things like we did, you know, post postmodern theory and Yeah.
就是那些东西。
That stuff.
不过，不好意思，你刚才说啥？
But, I mean, did you sorry.
明白。
Know Yeah.
确实。
True.
对。
Yeah.
信息就是媒介。
The message is the the message is the median.
是的。
Yeah.
米德。
The Mead.
那位学者。
The scholar.
麦克卢汉。
McLuhan.
马歇尔·麦克卢汉。
Marshall McLuhan.
就是他。
That's him.
对。
Yeah.
马歇尔·麦克卢汉。
Marshall McLuhan.
信息就是媒介。
The message is the median.
很多马克思，很多弗洛伊德，那一套东西。
A lot of Marx, a lot of Freud, all that stuff.
但大学毕业时，我根本不知道自己要做什么。
But I didn't know what I was gonna do when I left university.
毕业后，我其实完全迷失了方向。
I was, like, totally kind of lost really after university.
我也是。
Same.
你呢？
How about you?
你离开大学的时候是怎么应对的？
Did you do how did you react to leaving university?
嗯，我本来想当个演员，抱歉，我刚才在忙插电的事。
Well, I wanted sorry to be technical.
我就是想把设备插上，免得没电了。
I'm just trying to plug in so that I run out of any power or anything.
我以前一度想当演员，所以大学时一直参加话剧演出。
I wanted to be an actor at one point, so I kept kept doing plays at uni.
我记得我演过《仲夏夜之梦》里的仙王奥伯龙，就是在诺丁汉大学的庭院里。
And I remember I was Oberon, king of the fairies in a Midsummer Night's Dream in the courtyard of the University of Nottingham.
对。
Yeah.
莎士比亚。
Shakespeare.
对。
Yeah.
我还上了大学杂志的封面，上了报纸，当时我就想，没错。
And I got on the cover of the university magazine and in the papers, and I was like, yeah.
我一定会成为明星。
I'm gonna be a star.
因为我当时打扮成大卫·巴里。
Because I was dressed up as David Barry.
我让人给我脸上画了一道红色条纹，还留了粉红色的头发。
I did it like I had somebody paint my face like a red stripe, and I was trying to be I had pink hair.
我把头发染成红色，本来想染成鲜红色，结果因为发色本身偏浅，最后变成了粉红色。
I dyed my hair red, hoping it would be bright red, and it was it went pink because of the natural color of my hair.
有点疯狂。
It's a bit crazy.
但我真的很喜欢演戏，演过不少剧，其中几部还当了主角。
But I loved acting, and I did quite a few plays, and I did a few where I was, like, the lead role of a couple of things.
可从来没人跟我说过：‘杰兹，你真是个天才演员。’
But nobody ever said, Jez, you're a brilliant actor.
你得当个演员才行。
You need to be an actor.
所以我大概需要外界的认可吧，某种肯定。
So I guess I need that outside, a a validation or something.
因此，我最终没走这条路。
And so I never went down that route.
于是我选择了另一条路。
So I went yeah.
我拿了个不错的学位毕业了。
I left with a good degree.
我拿到了一等学位。
I got two one.
好吧。
Okay.
对。
Yeah.
在大学里我过得很开心。
And I had loads of fun at university.
简直太棒了。
It was just the best.
我交到了一些好朋友，到现在还保持着密切联系。
And I made good friends that I'm still very close with now.
那段经历真的很棒，但我现在不太会建议我的孩子去那里上大学，直到你……
And so it was brilliant, but I'm not sure I'd tell my kids to go to uni there until about you.
你好，
Hello,
各位听众。
listeners.
你最近怎么样？
How are you doing?
我这边再插一句，马上就好。
Just another quick interruption from me at this point.
希望你们听得开心，也能跟上我们的对话，一切都没问题。
I hope you're enjoying this conversation and that you're able to follow it and keep up with it and everything.
我们刚刚聊了聊大学时光。
So we've just been talking about college days and university days.
杰兹刚才说，他上大学时特别开心，但未必会建议自己的两个儿子去上大学。
And Jez just mentioned that he loved university, had a great time, but he wouldn't necessarily recommend that his kids, his two sons, go to university.
接下来你们会听到我问他为什么这么想，杰兹会谈到学费的问题。
And you're about to hear me asking him why, and Jez is about to talk about fees.
他会提到学费的事。
You'll hear him talking about fees.
这里说的学费，就是大学的学费。
That means university tuition fees.
因为对杰兹和我来说，我们俩都是在英国政府开始收取大学学费的时候刚毕业的。
Because for both of us, for Jez and me, we both basically finished university around the same time that the UK government introduced university fees.
这可是个重大转折点，我们还算幸运，刚好在收费政策出台后不久就毕业了。
So this is quite a big moment, and we were quite lucky because we, graduated from university just after this was introduced.
在1998年底、1999年初之前，大学教育基本上是免费的，由纳税人承担费用。
So previously, before basically the end of 1998, the beginning of 1999, I think it was, before that, basically, university education was provided free for students.
学费是政府出的。
It was paid, by the taxpayer.
后来工党执政、布莱尔当政的九十年代末，政府开始收学费，学生就得自己负担学习开销了。
And then after the introduction of university fees by the labor government under Tony Blair in the late nineties, then, basically, students had to pay for their own studies.
刚开始每年大概一千英镑，还算合理，但之后几年一路稳步上涨。
And it started out fairly reasonable at about a thousand pounds per year, but that amount has gone up steadily over the, you know, following years.
现在平均下来，英国本土学生每年得交九千英镑左右。
And these days, I think on average, it's about £9,000 a year, and that's for British students.
如果是从国外来的留学生，费用还要更高。
If you're a foreign student coming from somewhere else, then that's even more expensive.
而自从英国脱欧后，这还包括所有欧盟公民。
And that includes these days since Brexit, any EU citizens.
所以，所有国际学生现在都要支付更高的费用。
So, basically, any foreign students have to pay even more.
因此，上大学的开销可能高得惊人。
So it can be incredibly expensive.
我想，这正是Jez不太建议他儿子上大学的主要原因，这可是个挺重要的决定。
So that, I guess, is the main reason Jez would perhaps not recommend that his sons go to university, which is quite a big deal.
所以，当Jez提到‘学费’的时候，指的就是这个。
So that's what Jez is talking about when he refers to fees, basically.
大学学费，还有随之而来的债务。
University fees and debt as well.
我们一直在谈债务的问题。
We talk about debt.
D-E-B-T，就是债务这个词。
That's d e b t.
字母b是不发音的，当然。
The b is silent, of course.
读作‘debt’。
It's pronounced debt.
所以现在，大学生都得面对债务问题，因为上大学、拿学位，如果付不起可能高达三万英镑的学费和其他开销，就得借钱。
So, yes, debt is now a thing that, university students have to deal with because to study university and graduate involves probably borrowing lots of money if you can't afford the potentially £30,000 just to pay for your tuition fees plus all the other costs.
要是负担不起，就得靠学生贷款来凑钱。
If you can't afford that, you have to borrow the money through some kind of student loan system.
如今的毕业生离开学校时，往往背负着一大笔债务，这可真不是个好的人生开端，对吧？
And graduates these days will often leave university with quite a lot of debt hanging over them, which is not a great way to get a start in life, is it really?
所以对现在的英国学生来说，这确实是个大难题。
So that's that is a challenging thing for students in The UK these days.
我和Jez，就像我说的，赶在这些变化之前毕业了，算是挺幸运的。
And Jez and I, as I said, were lucky enough to graduate just before those changes came in.
真的吗？
Really?
就是因为学费太贵了。
Well, just because it's so expensive.
我上学那会儿，正好是收费政策出台前一年。
When I was there, it was the year before they introduced fees.
不是的。
No.
不好意思。
Sorry.
我上学时学费已经开始了，但我爸因为和我妈分开了，从索利赫尔市政府申请到了补助，所以还算撑住了。
They they introduced fees when I was there, but my dad got a grant from Solihull council because he he separated from my mom, so he managed to wind it.
学费正式实施是那之后一年，我记得当时在诺丁汉大学的台阶上，我拿着扩音器领着一大群人抗议收费政策。
And it was the year after that that the tuition fees came in because I remember we were on the steps of uni in Nottingham, and I was leading a big gang of people with a loudspeaker protesting against fees coming in.
那时候我们啥也做不了，是吧？
And we didn't we could do anything in those days, don't we?
那时候根本不用交钱。
You didn't have to pay for it.
好吧。
Okay.
你得自己付住宿费和其他开销。
You have to pay for your accommodation and things.
但我觉得，要是我孩子现在得每年交八千英镑，或者 whatever 那个天价学费，确实有点离谱。
But I think now if my kids would have to pay £8,000 a year or whatever the crazy fee is Yeah.
你最好选个真正想干的行当，别选错了专业。
You better you better have the right course that's appropriate to something you actually wanna do.
不然的话，还不如直接去上班，省得白花钱。
Otherwise, it's like you're just spending money when you could just go and get a job.
是的。
Yeah.
看起来
It seems
我们那时候根本什么都做不了。
totally do anything in our day.
是的。
Yeah.
当然了。
Absolutely.
现在孩子为了付大学学费欠下这么多债，简直太离谱了，你说是不是？
Just these days, the amount of debt that kids have to get into in order to pay for their university studies, it is it's just mad, isn't it?
真的很可惜。
It's a real pity.
我的意思是，我确实能理解。
I mean so, yeah, I can see.
我孩子现在还没到考虑上大学的阶段，而且我们住在法国，情况不太一样。
I mean, I'm not at that stage yet with my kids thinking about university, plus we live in France, it's slightly different.
但我们还是希望他们能去英国读书，只是那高昂的费用实在让人难以接受。
But we'd like them to study in The UK, but just the sheer expense is insane.
现在就跟美国差不多，对吧？
It's like America, isn't it, now?
这太让人震惊了。
It's shocking.
确实如此。
Yeah.
真的让人震惊。
It is shocking.
大学毕业后，我们后来在伯明翰又碰上了。
But so then we ended up after university, we ended up, like, bumping into each other again in Birmingham.
对吧？
Right?
我从利物浦回来，那里我住了一年，还组了个乐队想闯出点名堂，但最后没成功。
I think what it was was that I came back from Liverpool where I'd been living a year I'd spent an extra year in Liverpool playing in a band, and we sort of tried to make it work, and we didn't make it work.
说起来，这差不多就是我音乐生涯的写照了。
I mean, that's like my life story in a way, musically.
加入乐队，努力尝试，结果总是没成。
Getting into bands, trying to make it work, and then something not happening.
就是没成功。
It's just not happening.
也许是因为这个乐队本身就有些根本性的问题。
Maybe because there there was just something sort of intrinsically wrong about the band.
你知道的。
You know?
乐队怎么才能成功，这整个问题真的特别玄乎。
Like, it's it's really, really mysterious, the whole question of making a band successful and how bands become successful.
那些成功的乐队背后，有太多太多没能成功的。
And for all the bands that make it, there are so many that don't make it.
这事儿确实挺难解释的。
And it's it's a bit of a mystery.
当然，运气也是因素之一，但关键是得有对的人、对的团队氛围。
Like, obviously, luck is is part of it, but you gotta get the right combination of people, the right kind of dynamic between the members of the group.
音乐上要合拍，其他方面也得对得上。
It's got to click musically and in lots of other ways.
所以，不管怎样，我在利物浦那个乐队最后没成。
So, anyway, I ended I sort of that band I was in in in Liverpool didn't work out.
然后我就回到了父母家，那地方挺偏的，大概在伯明翰乡下四十分钟车程的地方。
And then I came back home to my parents' place in the middle of nowhere, sort of, I guess, about forty minutes outside of Birmingham in the countryside.
我想应该是那时候我又跟Jake联系上了，他当时住在Bearwood或者哪里的一个房子里，具体哪儿我记不清了。
And I think it was I got I got back in touch with Jake again, and he was living in a house in Bearwood or some I don't know where where he was.
可能是Moseley吧。
Moseley, possibly.
我觉得是莫斯利。
I think it was Moseley.
他当时好像跟达还有菲尔住在一起。
He was living with Da, I think, and Phil, something
就是那种大房子，经常办派对的那种。
like The big the big the big house, the big party house.
对，就是那种大型派对屋。
One of the big party houses.
我记得是那几栋大房子中的第二栋，反正有好几栋，Jake办了个派对，我带着我兄弟一起去的，那时候我兄弟也住在家。
I think it was the second there's, like, several of those houses, but I think it was the the anyway, so Jake had a party, and I came with my brother because my brother was living at home as well at the time.
我们好久没见了，大概有四年吧，大家重逢后就聊了聊近况。
And we just like I just saw everyone again after about maybe four years of not seeing everyone and sort of caught up.
Jake和Da一起录了一盘他们自己做的小样带。
And Jake and Da had this demo tape of these tunes that they'd made together.
应该是Jake和Da。
I think it was Jake and Da.
可能是Jake、Da，还有Shan一起做的。
Maybe Jake, Dah, and Shan had
把这些曲子录下来的。
put these tunes.
一开始就有他们参与。
Was involved to begin with.
我觉得最初只是Jake一个人，后来Da才加入的。
Think it was just Jake on his own and then Dah.
杰克，然后是杰克、达和山。
Jake and then Jake, Dah, and Shan.
是的。
Yeah.
他们把这些曲子编在一起，在派对上给我们放了。
They put together these tunes, and they played them to us at the party.
我们都特别兴奋，那种感觉。
And we're all, like, really excited about it and stuff.
我当时也在场。
And I was around.
所以，我被叫去当了鼓手，后来就组成了这个乐队。
And so, basically, I was brought in to play drums in what became this band.
你当时也参与了。
And then and you were part of that as well.
那你给我们讲讲这个乐队吧，我们后来都卷进去了。
So tell us about this band then that we ended up involved in.
真有意思，每个人对这件事的记忆都不太一样，对吧？
It's a it's funny how everybody remembers different angles of it, isn't it?
我记得当时在杰克索利赫尔家的客厅里听那盘磁带，我们上学时总爱聚在他家。
But I remember listening to that tape in Jake's front room in his house in Solihull, where we'd always hung out when we were growing up at school.
我从上学到大学一直和他混在一起，记得当时听着，心想：这太厉害了。
I've known him hung out in that house through school and then college, and I remember listening to him thinking, this is incredible.
这肯定要火。
This is gonna be massive.
跟我在别的地方听过的任何东西都不一样。
It's so different to anything else I've heard.
制作上特别巧妙，用了各种采样循环，都是从热门歌曲里截取的片段，你一时还听不出出处。
It was technically clever, different loops, like sampled loops from well known hits, which you couldn't necessarily put your finger on.
确实听不出来。
You couldn't.
你听得出来旋律，但说不上来是哪首歌，而杰克不一样，他耳朵太灵了，随便放一段他都能报出歌名。
You knew the tune, but you wouldn't necessarily be able to name it, whereas Jake obviously could name probably any tuning you listen to because he's got that ear.
但我记得当时就觉得，这声音太棒了。
But I remember thinking, that sounds incredible.
我觉得我以前听过这首曲子。
I think I've heard that tune.
我好像在派对或俱乐部跳过这支舞，他一告诉我名字，我就说，对，就是这个。
I think I've danced to that tune at a party or in a club or something, and then he'd tell me what it was, and I'd go, yeah.
没错，就是它。
That's it.
我当时就想，这太厉害了。
And I was like, this is brilliant.
大家喜欢它，是因为它虽然采样了老歌，却做得完全独特又原创。
People love that because it's something completely unique and original even though it's based on a non original source.
是的。
Yeah.
除此之外，还有Dah的演唱、Jake的现场演奏，后来又加入了Shan和你的音乐。
And then on top of that was layered vocals by Dah and live music by Jake, and then later, music by Shan and yourself.
后来有人给它起了个名字，叫 Youth Club。
And that became what somebody at some point decided to call Youth Club.
这个名字是怎么来的，现在早就记不清了。
Where that name come from is lost to the haze of time, I think.
我真的不知道。
I don't know.
也许杰克还记得。
Maybe Jake remembers.
也许你记得。
Maybe you remember.
我不记得了。
I don't remember.
Ute Clubs，y o o t club。
Ute Clubs, y o o t club.
Yoot club。
Yoot club.
我是说，我还是不太明白这个名字的来由。
I mean, I still don't really understand the the the name.
不过这名字挺好，朗朗上口。
It it's good because it's catchy.
Yoot club。
Yoot club.
我觉得可能是孩子们在街上用‘yoot’这个词，当成了年轻人的俚语。
I think maybe kids might have used the word yoot on the street as, a bit of a street slang for the youth.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
但我们到底是从哪儿听来的，我真不知道。
But where we got that from, I don't know.
大概有人说了这么一嘴，咱们一听，觉得挺酷的。
Somebody probably said it, and we thought that sounds cool.
让我们露一手。
Show us off.
用伯明翰口音说‘Ute Club’也很顺口。
It works well in a Birmingham accent as well, Ute Club.
是的。
Yeah.
确实如此。
It does
这就对了。
there we go.
这名字已经定下来了。
It's it's stuck.
哎，你还留着一些旧海报和东西啊。
Oh, you've got some of the old, posters and things.
所以对于音频行业来说
So for audio business
换一个。
change it.
杰兹手里拿着一些当年青年俱乐部的纪念品，比如几张贴纸、演出海报之类的。
Jez is holding up a few bits of memorabilia from the youth club days, including a few posters for gigs and, I guess, flyers and things like that.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yes.
我记得第一张海报。
I remember the first poster.
太搞笑了。
Hilarious.
非常好。
Very well.
照片。
Photo.
上面是个特别可爱的小猴子，还戴着听诊器，我们觉得特别逗。
It was a very cute little monkey with a little stethoscope on him, which we thought was funny.
对。
Yes.
对。
Yes.
对。
Yes.
你在这张照片里。
Shoot you here somewhere.
这是一篇报纸文章。
This is a newspaper article.
没错。
Right.
所以杰兹，我得给听音频的朋友们描述一下这个画面。
So Jez is I have to just describe this for the audio listeners.
杰兹正举着一份报纸文章的剪报。
Jez is holding up a a a clipping from a newspaper article.
标题写着‘Brummy Breakbeat’。
The headline is brummy breakbeat.
‘Brummy’就是指来自伯明翰的人。
Brummy meaning from Birmingham.
而‘Breakbeat’是一种当时挺流行的音乐类型。
And breakbeat is a type of music which was sort of popular at the time.
有点像舞曲和嘻哈的结合。
It was kind of like dance music meets hip hop sort of thing.
照片里是那支乐队，我站在最上面。
And there's a picture of the band, and there's me there at the top.
对。
Yeah.
哇哦。
Wow.
新面孔啊。
Fresh fresh face.
我就是新面孔。
I'm a fresh face.
对吧？
Isn't it?
是的。
Yeah.
我哥哥也在里面，我哥哥詹姆斯以前是乐队成员，后来才搬去伦敦。
My brother is in there too because my brother James was he was part of the band for a while before he moved to London.
他当时算是乐队的DJ。
And so he was kind of like the he was the DJ of the band.
我们演出的时候，他就站在旁边，用唱盘打碟、放采样。
And he used to be there with with with decks while we were playing, and he would be scratching and playing samples on his record decks while we were playing.
还有一些
And there were some
我差点把这事儿忘了。
I forgot about that.
我们当时在录音室录过一些演奏，我哥哥在曲子里加了一些人声采样，效果特别棒。
There's some recordings of us playing in the studio, and my brother is scratching, like, little vocal samples into the tunes, and it sounded good.
后来他搬去了伦敦，就慢慢退出了乐队。
He later on, he moved to London, and he he sort of, like, left the band.
是啊。
Yeah.
我们后来去参加了一个音乐节，现在那个音乐节已经特别大了，但那时候，我觉得可能是第一届Shambhala。
So we went to a festival, which is now massive, which at the time, I think, was the first possibly the first ever Shambhala.
2001年，那都二十五年前了。
2001, that's twenty five years ago.
真不敢相信，对吧？
It's just mad, isn't it?
那你后来怎么样了？
So what happened with you?
你看起来还是这么精神，太棒了。
You still look so fresh, huge.
我不太清楚。
Don't know.
我真的不知道。
I don't, yeah, I don't know.
摄像机倒是挺清楚的，但我自己其实也说不上来太多。
I just the camera's the camera's kind, but I don't always feel I could tell you that much.
那你当时在乐队里负责什么？
So so what was your role in the band then?
我就是个凑热闹的克林贡人。
I was just a Klingon hanging on.
不是的。
No.
我不是。
I wasn't.
我是他们的经理。
I was the manager.
有段时间我意识到，我认识的那些朋友。
I decided at some point, I know my friends.
最早创办这个乐队的两个人，达拉和杰克，是特别有魅力的老牌艺人，表演和搞笑都一流，但组织能力差得不行。
The main two guys who started it, Dara and Jake, were legendary geezers and lovely and brilliant performers and entertainers, but terrible at being organized.
他们俩都不会开车。
Neither of them could drive.
他们喜欢放松，根本不想处于必须开车或者能开车的状态。
They liked to relax and not be in a condition to need to drive or be able to drive.
所以我跟他们说：你们得找个人来管管你们。
So I went, well, you need somebody to organize your asses.
于是我就自封为经理，他们听了说：行啊，挺好。
So I declared myself the manager and they went, okay, cool.
所以我负责制作传单和贴纸。
So I would make the flyers and the stickers.
我在我爸办公室里印这些贴纸，然后贴满全城。
I printed these stickers at my dad's house in my dad's office, and we plaster them all over town.
那时候还没互联网。
And this was before the Internet.
还是说已经有了？
Or was it?
那时候还没有。
Was around no.
互联网不是已经存在了吗？
The Internet was there, wasn't it?
那时候社交媒体才刚起步。
It was a very early days in terms of social media.
社交媒体还没什么影响力。
Social media wasn't really a big thing.
是的
Yeah.
没错
That's right.
那时候每个人就只有一个网站
Everyone just had websites.
你刚才展示的那个贴纸上写着 ukeclub.co.uk
So one of the stickers there that you just showed said ukeclub.co.uk.
这可是MySpace出现之前的事
This is pre MySpace.
这比MySpace早多了
This is before Myspace.
我们说的是2001年2月
We're talking about 02/2001.
那时候我们就在做这些事
That's when we were doing this.
那时候根本没有什么社交媒体。
And so there was no social media.
才刚开始冒头，慢慢出现而已。
Just started to come along or show its face or something.
MySpace 是到2000年代中期才出现的。
Myspace didn't didn't arrive until the mid naughties.
大概是2004年、2005年左右吧。
It wasn't until maybe 2004, 2005.
我确定是。
I'm sure of
这场演出。
the show.
我记得当时我发过一条关于这事的帖子，结果被主办方找上门，以为我是故意切断电源，好让我们上主舞台表演。
Because I remember the point I remember posting something about this and then getting in trouble with the organizers because they thought I'd cut the electricity on purpose to get us to play on the main stage.
是的。
Yeah.
真的吗？
Really?
差不多每次都是。
About every yeah.
其他所有粉丝、帐篷里的人也都问起。
Everybody asked from all the other fans, tents and
舞台。
Stages.
舞台。
Stages.
最后我们还是在主舞台看了U Club的演出，之后我在网上开了个玩笑，说……
Ended up watching watching U Club at the main stage, and then afterwards, I made a joke online about Oh.
我故意切断了电源，其实根本没有。
I I cut the electricity when I didn't.
就是运气不好而已。
That was it was just bad.
那纯粹是运气好，才碰巧发生了。
It was just good luck that that happened.
但主办方不太高兴，我还得向他道歉。
But the organizer wasn't wasn't very happy, and I had to apologize to him.
所以应该是类似MySpace的东西，或者它早期的版本之类的。
So it must have been something like Myspace or maybe an early version of it or something.
有可能。
Perhaps.
是的。
Yeah.
关键是，我当时没别的选择，只能就地取材，于是就在路灯上贴贴纸。
The point was, yeah, I couldn't I had to make do with what we had, so I'd stick these stickers on lampposts.
我还在酒吧里贴海报。
I'd put posters up in bars.
我还打电话给酒吧，说：好了。
I'd phone pubs and go, right.
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