Drive to Work #36 - 来自坑中的故事

好的。

Okay.

我刚把车开进车道。

I'm pulling on my driveway.

大家都知道这意味着什么。

We all know what that means.

又到了开车去上班的时候了。

It's time for another drive to work.

好的。

Okay.

所以今天，我刚庆祝了——我是说，对我来说是刚过，对你们来说是即将到来的——我庆祝了《坑中故事》两周年，那是我每天更新的漫画。

So today, I just celebrated I mean, upcoming for me in the past for you guys is I celebrated the two year anniversary of Tales From The Pit, which is my daily comic strip.

我决定今天聊聊《坑中故事》。

And I decided I would talk about Tales From The Pit today.

我希望这不仅仅是关于漫画本身的讨论，而是关于创作一个作品背后需要付出什么。

I'm hoping actually it's a larger discussion than just the comic itself, but sort of like what goes into making a creative endeavor.

但我想聊聊它是怎么来的，还有我为什么做这个，以及一些漫画背后的故事。

But I wanted to sort of talk about where it came from and and sort of what why why I make it and and and I don't know, just some behind the scenes stories of the comic itself.

那我们就从故事开始吧，可以说是起源故事。

So let's begin with the story, the origin story if you will.

第一期。

Issue number one.

事情是这样的，我用的是iPhone，可能有些人不知道。

So what happened was I I have an iPhone for those that are unaware.

我是个超级苹果粉丝。

I I'm a giant giant Apple fan.

其实，可能有人不知道，我整个成年生活，我都45岁了，我在家和单位从来没用过非Mac或非苹果的电脑。

In fact, something people may not know, my entire adult life, and and I'm 45, I've never had a computer at home or at work ever that wasn't a Mac or wasn't a, you know, an Apple an Apple computer.

我想在Mac出现之前，我们家里有一台Apple IIe，那是很久以前的事了。

I guess before Macs existed at home, we had a we had an Apple two e way back in the day.

我爸其实买了最早的苹果电脑，就是消费者能买到的那种，我爸买了那个。

And my dad actually got an Apple like, the very first Apple you could get, like, consumers could get, my dad got that.

而且最早的时候，你得用磁带加载程序。

And, originally, you had to load it with a cassette tape.

那时候还没有光盘呢。

This is where discs happen.

你得把磁带放进去，等个三分钟，然后才能玩个文字游戏，比如那个“Wumpus”之类的。

And you had to, like, put a cassette tape in for, like, three minutes ago, you know, and then you could play some text game, you know, like, the wumpers or something.

好吧，我这是在暴露年龄了。

Anyway, showing my age here.

总之，我们很早就开始用苹果了。

So anyway, we got into Apple very young.

我是苹果的超级粉丝。

I'm a huge Apple fan.

我发现，每次我说我喜欢苹果，很多粉丝其实都不是苹果粉。

I've learned because every time I talk about how I love Apple that a lot of my fans are not Apple fans.

苹果似乎总能激起人们强烈的感情，就像那些真正伟大的东西一样，有人爱也有人恨，苹果就是其中之一。

Apple seems to be it it it creates great passion both ways out of people much like like things that I I I I believe that true true truly great things tend to spur people in both directions that some will love it, some will hate it, and Apple is one of those things.

但我喜欢苹果的地方是他们的设计美学。

But the the thing I love about Apple is that their I love their design aesthetic.

我觉得我作为设计师学到的很多东西，都来自于欣赏那些我真正欣赏的设计。

I I I feel like a lot of what I've learned about a being a designer has has come from looking at designs that I, as a designer, really appreciate.

苹果教给我的东西，可能以后会成为一期关于设计灵感的播客。

And the thing that Apple taught me this might might be some future podcast of design inspirations.

但苹果教给我的是，东西必须看起来是什么样，用起来就是什么样。

But the thing Apple taught me is the idea of things have to do what they seem they do.

比如，你的直觉应该是对的。

Like, you you your intuition just just be correct.

让东西做人们期望它做的事。

Make the thing do what people expect it to do.

第二点就是简洁的重要性，而最简单的办法就是，你怎么知道该按哪个按钮？

And the second thing is is importance of simplicity and that one of the easiest ways to get you know, how do you know it's the right button to push?

就放一个按钮在上面，对吧。

Put one button on it, you know.

总之，我有一部iPhone。

Anyway, so I have an iPhone.

其实，在我们家是这样的，我总是买最新的iPhone，然后最新的那部给我妻子，再下一部给我大女儿瑞秋。

In fact, the way it works in in my family by the way is I will always buy the newest iPhone and then the the latest iPhone goes to my wife and the iPhone after that goes to my daughter, my oldest daughter, Rachel.

所以每次我拿到新iPhone，就意味着其他人都会换到更新的那部。

And so, like, every time I get a new iPhone, means everybody else get they shift and get the newest iPhone.

总之，iPhone上有个应用叫Halftone。

So anyway but anyway, there was there is a app on the iPhone called Halftone.

Halftone的原理是，你可以把照片转换成那种老式漫画书风格。

And Halftone is the premise of Halftone is it lets you take your pictures and convert it to look like an old, like, style comic book.

对于不熟悉漫画书的人来说，以前，其实现在可能也还是这样。

For those that are unfamiliar with comic books, back in the day in fact, it's probably still true.

漫画是用很多小彩点组成的，如果你凑近看的话。

They're made with a a system where there's lots of little tiny colored dots if you, like, you look close.

所以回到60年代，我是说，现在的点已经很小了，而且，你知道，很难看清。

And so back in the '60 I mean, now the dots are pretty small and, you know, it's it's hard.

而且我觉得你得用放大镜仔细看，才能看到那些点。

And you have to really look with the magnifying glass, I think, to see the dots.

但在以前，那些点会稍微大一点。

But back in the day, the dots were a little bit bigger.

所以很多漫画都有非常独特的外观，尤其是六七十年代的。

And so there's a very distinctive look to a lot of comics, especially like the sixties and seventies.

而Halftone这个应用就是想给你的照片加上那种漫画风格。

And halftone was trying to give your pictures that comic book look.

我很喜欢漫画书。

So I love comic books.

我也很喜欢iPhone应用。

I love iPhone apps.

我喜欢拍照，也喜欢搞怪，弄些好玩的东西。

I like taking pictures, and I like goofing around and making funny things up.

所以当时我们在庆祝什么。

So so we were celebrating something.

我忘了是什么事了。

I I forget what it was.

Wizards有个习惯，就是当我们取得成绩时，或者Magic也有这个习惯。

Wizards does this thing where when we have a success or magic does this thing.

我们一有成绩，他们就会准备蛋糕。

We have a success, they'll they'll have cake.

所以我们当时就是为了什么事在吃蛋糕。

And so we were having cake for something.

有人说那个做得不错。

Some said it did well.

我也不太确定。

I'm I'm not sure.

Zen Decar 或者 Scar's Mirage。

Zen Decar or Scar's Mirage.

总之，有人说那个做得不错。

Anyway, some said it done well.

我们吃了蛋糕。

We had cake.

然后我就去了那座桥。

And so I went to up to the bridge.

我们威世智的所有会议室，名字大多都是那种极客风格的。

So all of our conference rooms at Wizards are named mostly have geek names.

你知道，我们有“黑客帝国”，研发部的会议室是以魔法卡牌命名的。

You know, we have the matrix and the ones in their r and d are named after magic cards.

比如有“象牙塔”这样的。

We have, like, Ivory Tower.

总之，整栋楼里，会议室都是以各种不同的东西命名的。

Anyway, all around the building, they're they're named after different things.

我的意思是，每个部门都可以自己命名自己的会议室。

I mean, each each department got to name their own.

所以有时候你大概能猜出是谁命名的，就看你是在公司的哪个部门区域。

And so sometimes you can kinda guess who named it by based on what what section of company it's in.

比如，双重危险就在法律部门附近。

Like, double jeopardy is near legal.

不过话说回来，桥就是楼上那个主要的房间，你懂的，如果总裁要开重要的正式会议，他们总是在桥那里开会。

But anyway, so the bridge is the main room upstairs that like, you know, if the if the president is going to have a big official meeting, they always meet in the bridge.

桥是《星际迷航》里的一个梗，可能有些人还不知道。

The Bridge is a Star Trek reference for those that somehow don't know that.

总之，我们去了桥那里，有蛋糕，伊森正在吃蛋糕。

Anyway, so we go to the bridge, there's cake, and Ethan is eating cake.

我觉得那时候伊森还算新人，因为他是三月份才开始的。

Now I believe at this point, Ethan is relatively new being that it started in March.

他肯定刚来不久，最多也就一个月左右，因为我觉得他刚开始，我想他来了没多久。

He must have just he could not have been here more than a month or so because I think he started I I think it's very short after he started.

不过，我拍了张伊森吃蛋糕的照片。

But anyway, I took a picture of Ethan eating a piece of cake.

然后我觉得用我的半色调应用把它做成一个小漫画会很有趣。

And then I decided that it'd be fun to make a a little comic out of it with my halftone app.

更多，更多，因为我就是觉得那个应用好玩。

More more because I was just entertained by the app.

而且我一开始做的时候，甚至都没想过要把它发到网上任何地方。

And I I don't even think when I first made it, my intent was to show it to was to put it anywhere on the Internet.

我就是觉得它好笑，然后它确实让我挺开心的。

I just thought it was funny, and then it entertained me enough.

我就想，哦，管他呢。

I'm like, oh, whatever.

发个推特吧。

I'll tweet it.

所以实际上，在我发那个半色调版本之前，我可能只是发了一张伊森吃蛋糕的照片，我觉得事情就是这样。

So in fact, it's possible before I tweeted that the halftone version, I just tweeted a picture of Ethan eating the cake, which I think is what happened.

我觉得我就是发了一张伊森吃蛋糕的照片，后来我又回去改了。

I think I just tweeted a picture of Ethan eating the cake, and later I went back and I changed it.

我觉得挺有意思的，就发了。

I thought it was funny, I posted it.

我得到了不错的反响。

I got decent response.

那时候你要知道，这还不是个什么大事。

And at that point, be aware, it wasn't a thing.

它不像现在这样，我只是画了个漫画。

It wasn't like it was just I I made a comic.

我觉得好玩，就发了。

I thought it was funny, I posted it.

然后第二天，我又发了一个。

And then the next day, I posted another one.

那一周，我每天都发一个，因为我自己玩得开心，而且能做的花样太多了。

And I just for that week, I know, every day I posted one because it was just I was being entertained by it and there were so many possibilities of things I could do.

然后到周末的时候，我就觉得，这事儿也不难嘛。

And and then I think by the end of the week, was like, this isn't that hard to do.

所以，简单介绍一下背景。

So little little background.

对于不了解的人来说，我的意思是，显然，欢迎来到我的频道。

For those who don't know, I mean I mean, obviously, welcome to to me.

我有一家公司，我有喜剧写作的背景。

I have a company I have a comedy writing background.

比如在大学时，我的意思是，在高中时，我开始写很多剧本，而且大多是喜剧。

In college, for example I mean, in high school, I I started doing a lot of playwriting and they were mostly comedies.

在大学时，我创办了一个即兴表演团体。

In college, I started an improv troupe.

我创办了一个写作工作坊，专门做小品喜剧。

I started a writing workshop that did sketch comedy.

我也做过单口喜剧。

I did stand up.

所以我在喜剧方面尝试了很多不同的事情。

And so I did a lot of different things with comedy.

我最终去了洛杉矶。

I eventually went out to Los Angeles.

我试过，我其实想当情景喜剧编剧。

I tried to I I wanted to be a sitcom writer.

长远来看，我想创作电视剧，但我想写喜剧。

I mean, long term, wanted to create TV shows, but I wanted to write comedy.

我参与过编剧的剧集就是《罗斯安家庭生活》。

I mean, Roseanne's the one show I was on staff on.

所以，我的背景就是我喜欢写喜剧。

So, I mean, I my background is I like writing comedy.

我在喜剧方面有很多经验，而且我一直对连环漫画很着迷。

I have a lot of background in comedy, and I've always been fascinated by comic strips.

我超爱连环漫画。

I love comic strips.

我觉得连环漫画很酷。

I think comic strips are cool.

而且我记得自己一直觉得，能有一部连环漫画会是件特别棒的事。

And I I remember thinking that one of the things I always thought would be awesome to do was to have a comic strip.

真正让我头疼的是，那些看过我在DCI上那幅画的人，你们知道，我根本不会画画。

Now the really thing that was getting my way, for those of you who've ever seen my one piece of magic art, look at me at the DCI, which is I can't draw.

然后大家就说，哦，但是你知道，X K C D，他画的是火柴人。

And people go, oh, but, you know, x k c d, he's a stick figures.

不。

No.

他画得比我好多了。

He's much better at drawing than I am.

好太多了。

Much better.

我的绘画能力非常有限。

I am very limited in my drawing abilities.

比如说，看看我在DCI上的那幅画。

I mean, for example, look at me at DCI.

我是这么画的。

Here's how I did it.

我的画风很少有人用。

I I have an art style that very few people use.

非常少。

Very few.

其实那张画我画了六十遍，然后挑了我最喜欢的一张。

I actually drew that 60 times and then picked my favorite one.

顺便说一句，不知道的人可能不清楚，我在DCI的那个形象，其实是我自己。

So also, by the way, those who don't know, a little trivia about looking at me, I'm DCI.

我当时只拿了一美元的报酬。

I I got paid a dollar.

本来他们打算按全价付我，就是那种正常的价钱。

Originally, they were gonna pay me full price, like a full whatever price.

但我说，不行。

And I said, no.

那太离谱了，因为我根本不会画画。

That's crazy because I can't draw.

然后我说，你看。

And I said, look.

就给我一块钱吧。

Just pay me a dollar.

他们总得付我点什么才能拥有它。

They had to pay me something to own it.

然后他们给了我一块钱，还给了我一张支票。

And then they gave me a dollar, and they gave me a check.

哦，这有个好笑的故事。

Oh, this is a funny story.

然后我接到财务部门的电话。

So I get a call from I get a call from the finance department.

他们对我说，这里显示我们欠你一块钱的支票。

So they say to me, so it says here that we owe you a dollar check.

我说，是的。

And I I say yes.

他们问，那能不能直接给你现金？

And they go, well, could we give that to you in cash?

我说，不行。

I'm like, no.

我就要支票。

I want I want a check.

他说，你知不知道给我们开一张支票的成本远不止一美元？

He goes, do do you understand that it costs us more than a dollar to make a check?

我说，对啊。

I'm like, yeah.

我说是的。

I I sure.

但他们本来打算给我一大笔钱。

I but they were gonna pay me a lot of money.

我主动提出只要一美元，好帮公司省点钱。

I volunteered to just get $1 to save us some money.

所以，你知道的，对，给我支票吧。

And so, you know, yeah, give me my check.

然后他说，你为什么想要支票？

And he's like, why why do you want a check?

我说，因为我想把它裱起来。

And I'm like, because I wanna frame it.

他说，你甚至不打算去兑现它吗？

And he's like, you're not even going to cash it?

我说，对。

I'm like, yeah.

到年底你就会少一块钱。

You're gonna be off a dollar at the end of the year.

总之，我仍然把那张支票和我的艺术品，我的原创艺术品，一起裱起来了。

Anyway, I still have my check framed with my art, my original art.

看看我在我的书房里，穿着DCI的衣服。

Look at me in the DCI in my in my den.

顺便说一下，我有四件艺术品，给那些真正关心的人看的。

I have four pieces of art, by the way, for those that truly care.

我有一幅莫罗的原作，是以我的名字命名的，我是从斯图尔特·格里芬那里买来的。

I have the original Morrow, who's named after me, and I bought the art from Stuart Griffin.

而且，这里有些有趣的事。

And by the way, here are interesting.

你看，今天的播客就是我从一个话题开始，然后就开始跑题了。

See, today's podcast is me starting on a topic and just drifting off.

一

One

个有趣

of the interesting

的地方是，莫罗那幅画当初并不是为了做成魔法画而画的。

things about Morrow is the painting wasn't made to be a magic painting.

它就是为了画而画的。

It was just painted to be a painting.

苏·安·哈基，她是幻影的艺术总监，看到了这幅画，觉得挺酷的，就买下了这幅画的版权。

Sue Ann Harkey, who was the Mirage art director, saw it, thought it was cool and bought the rights to the image.

然后我们后来才决定把它放在哪里。

And then we later figured out where to put it.

但你知道，这意味着这是一幅全尺寸的艺术作品。

But, you know, what it means is it's a full size piece of art.

大多数魔法艺术画，如果你见过的话，通常都很小，因为只需要放在卡片上。

It's not most magic art if you ever seen is is pretty small because it just needs to go on card.

所以，你知道，通常它大概是八英寸见方，或者八乘十英寸，反正就是合适的比例。

So it's, you know, it's normally it's like, you know, eight inches square or something or, you know, eight by 10 inches, whatever the correct pro proportions is.

所以我有《马洛》，我有《看着我》，我有《小丑草帽》，那是《非瑞克西亚》的包装图，然后我还有《麦斯》，那是《非瑞克西亚》的包装图之一。

So I have Marrow, I have LookMeInDCI, I have Jester Sombrero, which was the packaging image from Unglued, and then I have Mai's, the package image or one of the package images from unhinged.

顺便说一句，《麦斯》是马特·卡瓦达送给我的生日礼物，他画了这张卡，是我的朋友，这真的很酷。

Mai's, by the way, was a birthday present for me from Matt Cavada, who drew the card and is a friend of mine, which was very cool.

总之，抱歉。

Anyway, sorry.

回到刚才的话题。

Deviating back.

我一直想画一个漫画系列，但因为我不会画画，所以一直没能实现。

So I always had want to do a comic strip, but was hampered by the fact that I can't draw.

这些年来，我看到很多人做过万智牌的漫画。

And watching over the years, there's been many people who've done magic comic strips.

我记得有一个很有名的叫《UG Madness》，我在里面被画成一个长着小翅膀的小恶魔，还有MGD Pro也做过漫画。

You know, I remember one of one of the famous ones was called UG Madness, of which I showed up as a character as a little little devil with little wings and, you know, MGD Pro made a comic.

很多人做过漫画。

There's a lot of people that made comics.

我一直觉得有趣的是，

And I've always thought it was funny that,

你知道，需要

you know, it'd need to

看一个漫画。

see a comic.

但我一直好奇的一件事，我从来没见过，也许它存在但我没看到过，就是每日连载的漫画。

But one of the things I always wondered that that I had never seen or that maybe it exists, I haven't seen it, is a daily comic.

所以有点像那种《远方》风格的东西。

So it's kinda like a, you know, far side ish thing.

我一直喜欢的漫画类型是那种单格的。

Kind of comics I've always enjoyed have been one of's, have been like single frame.

我喜欢《远方》。

I like the far side.

我是说，我也喜欢《卡尔文和霍布斯》那些。

I mean, I I like, hey, I like Calvin Hobbs and all that.

我觉得那种三格漫画也挺好玩的。

I mean, I I I think the the three the three beat ones are fun.

对我来说，我一直想象着画一个单格的魔术漫画。

I just some of for me, I always imagined doing a one panel magic comic.

就像我说的，我有个限制，就是我不会画画。

And like I said, I had this I had the limitation of my inability to draw.

所以总之，我觉得真正让我开窍的是，我开始拍照，然后把它们变成这些小东西，而且它们还挺好笑的。

So anyway, I think what what clicked was I started taking pictures and turning them into these little things and they they were funny.

有点像，你知道的，照片漫画那种。

It's sort of, you know, photo comic.

而且我以前从来没想过，我可以不用画，直接用照片。

And and it never dawned on me before that I could that I could instead of drawing, I could use pictures.

一旦我意识到这一点，我就想，天哪。

And that once that hit me, I'm like, oh my goodness.

天哪。

Oh my goodness.

我可以做一部漫画连载了。

I could make a comic trip.

我找到了绕开我巨大短板的方法。

I found a way to get around my huge limitation.

于是我就开始做这个连载了。

And so I started making the strip.

其实我也说不清楚。

It was mostly I don't know.

就是，我觉得我这么做的原因有很多。

It's just I mean, I I think the reason I did it was was many fold.

我不说具体有几个，因为跟你说实话，我自己也不确定到底有多少个。

I won't pick a number because I as I I tell you, I'm not sure how many of the number's gonna be.

首先，我喜欢写喜剧。

So first off, I like writing comedy.

我怀念写喜剧的感觉。

I miss writing comedy.

你知道，现在真的没什么机会。我的意思是，我尽量在我的博客、专栏里加些幽默，还有在我的播客里，希望如此。

You know, there's just not a lot I mean, I I try to put humor in my blog and in my in my column and, you know, in in my hopefully, my podcast.

我试着搞笑，但这不是经常的事。

I try to do humor, but it's not a consistent thing.

而且我觉得，我脑子里有一部分就是喜欢这个想法，你知道，就是如果每天都能试着搞笑会怎么样，而且这也是个挑战。

And that I think part of me, part of my brain just like the idea of, you know, just what if you could try to be funny every day, you know, and and that the challenge of that.

第二点呢，我一直在尝试在社交媒体上做更多的事情，来拓展一下我做的事情的范围。

The second is that I've been trying to do more stuff in social media that broadens kinda what I do.

而且我一直很注意的一件事就是，我注册了Tumblr。

And one of the things I I've been very conscious of is I I got onto Tumblr.

哦，很快说一下。

Oh, real quickly.

对于那些喜欢我博客的人，我的博客百分之百是源于我的《坑里的故事》漫画。

For those that like that like my blog, my blog 100% is a result of my Tales From The Pit comic.

让我解释一下。

Let me explain.

事情是这样的，我开始在Twitter上发布我的漫画，然后我觉得是Evan。

So what happened is I start putting my comic out on Twitter, and I think it was Evan.

Evan对我说，他说，哦，你为什么不把你的漫画收集起来，放在一个地方，这样大家就能看到了呢？

Evan says to me he said, oh, why don't you collect your comics somewhere that you know, so that people can see them?

然后他推荐了Tumblr。

And he suggests Tumblr.

我当时就说，哦，我从来没听说过Tumblr。

And I'm like, oh, I I never I never heard of Tumblr.

他说，哦，好吧，是的。

And he goes, oh, well, yeah.

对。

Yeah.

注册起来很容易。

It's really easy to sign up.

然后又有几个人跟我提过这个。

And and then a couple of people talked to me about it.

我记得提过好几次。

I think it came up a couple of times.

哦，你应该把这个发到Tumblr上。

Oh, you should have posted this on Tumblr.

所以我就想，哦，好吧。

So I'm like, oh, okay.

应该是吧。

I guess.

让我看看。

Let me see.

然后我就到了那儿。

And then I got there.

注册挺简单的，我就弄好了，然后每天把漫画发上去。

Was easy to sign up and so I got it and I started just every day I put my comics there.

我觉得应该有专门的App。

I think there was an app for it.

所以对我来说操作起来特别方便。

And so it's it's very easy for me to do.

肯定是有App的，顺便提一句，我的漫画完全是用手机制作的。

It must have been an app for it because I always one thing about my comic, by the way, it's 100% produced in my phone.

里面的图片也都是用手机拍的。

The pictures are from my phone.

那些半色调效果都是在我的手机上做的。

The the halftone's in my phone.

我也是从手机上传的。

I upload it from my phone.

就是说，这个漫画除了我的手机，别的什么都没碰过。

Like, that that the comic touches nothing but my phone.

完全是靠我的手机做出来的。

It's completely generated by my phone.

对了，顺便提一下，埃文，我就是提一下你的名字。

And so oh, by the way, Evan I I thought that's I'm just dropping your name.

就是魔术秀的埃文·欧文。

It's Evan Irwin of of the magic show.

然后呢，好多人推荐我用汤博乐。

And, anyway, a bunch of people suggested Tumblr.

我说，行吧。

I said, okay.

我搞明白了，然后就开始把它们发到Tumblr上。

I figured out what it was, and so I started putting them up on Tumblr.

然后Tumblr上有个小功能，问的是：别人能不能向你提问？

And then there's a little feature in Tumblr that says, can people ask you questions?

我当时就想，哦，行吧。

And I was like, oh, okay.

看来别人可以问我问题。

I guess people ask me questions.

我完全没想到，点了“是”之后会发生什么。

Little did I know I had no idea what happened when I yes.

结果真的有人来问我问题。

People ask me questions.

总之，那个“别人能问你问题吗”的选项，

Anyway, the the can people ask you a question?

我点了“是”。

Me clicking yes.

我的整个博客就是从那个开始的，说起来还挺好笑的。

That my whole blog came out of that, which which it's funny.

现在漫画只占了一小部分，问答才是大头，但《坑中故事》才是博客的源头。以后我会专门做一期关于博客的播客，但不是今天。

The the comic's now a little tiny part of it and the all the question answer was a major part, but but but Tales From The Pit is directly responsible for the blog And one of these podcasts, I will do the blogger talk podcast, but that's not today.

今天讲的是《坑中故事》。

Today is Tales From The Pit.

总之，我喜欢那种每天挑战自己的想法。

So anyway, I like the idea that I could challenge myself every day.

真的，虽然之前也有魔法漫画，但我就是想要一个每天更新的魔法漫画，能捕捉每天发生的事。

I really I mean, there have been magic comics, but I I felt like I just wanted a magic comic that exists that was just daily, you know, that every day and and could, you know, could capture on whatever that was going on.

我想要那种能跟上时事的东西。

Like, I wanted something that was kind of could be topical times.

不过得提醒一下，我有个很大的限制，就是我为公司工作。

Now be aware, there's a huge limitation I have, which is I work for the company.

我是公司的代言人之一。

I'm I'm one of the spokespeople.

对我来说有趣的是，我经常想出一些会很好笑的漫画，但你知道，我没有自由去发布任何我想发的漫画。

So the funny thing for me is I often come up with comics that would be hilarious, but they're not you know, I do not have the freedom just to publish any comic I want.

事实上，我偶尔会画一幅漫画，然后拿去给同事看看，问他们觉得怎么样。

In fact, I every once in a while, I'll I'll put a comic and I'll run it by, you know, people at work and go, what do you think?

他们就会说，哎呀，这个你可不能发。

And they're like, yo, you can't publish that.

所以在我脑海深处，我画了一些挺好笑但可能不太合适的漫画。

So deep in the recesses of my brain, I I've made some comics that that are funny, but maybe not appropriate.

如果我不在这个体系里，如果我不是为公司工作，也许我会发布其中一些。

If I if I was outside the system, if I wasn't, you know, working for the company, maybe I I'd publish some of those.

不过话说回来，我喜欢这种挑战。

But anyway, so I like the challenge.

我真的很喜欢魔术能有一个每日漫画这个想法。

I really like the idea that magic would have a daily comic.

而且现在确实有一些这样的漫画。

And and there are some comics out there.

我不是想贬低现有的那些漫画。

I'm not I don't wanna diss any of the existing comics.

我每次看到魔术漫画都很开心，很多人画得特别有趣，看起来真的很棒。

I I I I always enjoy when I see magic comics, and a lot of people do very fun work, and they're awesome to see.

哦，顺便说一句，我一直在努力理解社交媒体，我发现文字能传达的东西是有限的。

Oh, the other thing, by the way, is as I'm trying to one of the things I'm I'm I'm big on is trying to understand social media, and that one of the things I realized was that words only get you so far.

比如，我会很关注我的推文被转发、被转载的情况，以及我的消息传播到哪里，产生了什么样的影响。

That, like, I look a lot about how much I get retweeted and reblogged and sort of where my messages go and how what kind of impact they have.

在尝试的过程中，我意识到我想创造一种感觉不一样的东西。

And one of the things as I experimented, I realized that I was trying to sort of create a product that had a different feel to it.

对。

Yeah.

我有推特，也会在汤博乐和谷歌+上回答问题。

I have Twitter, and I answer questions on Tumblr and Google Plus.

而且，我做的事情其实挺多样的。

And, I mean, I do different things.

我做这个播客，但漫画的好处在于它很直观，容易传播。

I do this podcast, but the comic is nice in that it it's something that's very like, sizable.

它是视觉化的。

It's visual.

你知道，它有一些不同的特点。

You know, it it has some different qualities to it.

而且，当我真的画出一幅特别棒的漫画时，它会被到处转发。

And, like, when I really get a comic that, you know, just sort of hits one out of the park, it gets re blogged all over the place.

所以那还挺酷的。

So that that is kinda cool.

就是一张图片，你知道，大家一看就懂。

They're just this image, you know, students associate.

所以这就是我为什么开始做这个。

So that's why kinda why I started.

我是说，就像我说的，我本来没打算开始的。

I mean, I like I said, I didn't mean to start.

我是不小心弄出来的，然后就想，哦，这个我可以做。

I kinda accidentally did it and then just sort of said, oh, I could do this.

不过关于这个漫画，有一点很重要，就是我不会花太多时间在上面。

Now here's an important thing to understand about the comic, by the way, is I I do not spend a lot of time on the comic.

我很忙的。

I'm a busy man.

基本上，我的做法是，有时候我会拍些照片，然后觉得，哦，这张照片挺搞笑的。

And, I mean, basically, what I do here here's my thing is sometimes I'll take pictures and and I go, oh, this is a funny picture.

我就会想个点子。

I'll come up with something.

有时候我先想到一个笑话，然后再去找需要的素材。

Sometimes I get a joke and then I hunt down what I need.

通常是我编个笑话，然后去找图片。

Usually, I make up a joke, hunt down images.

这就是为什么我最近做了很多魔术相关的图片，因为在家做起来更容易。

That's why I've been doing a lot more magic images is that it's just it's easier to do at home.

因为很多时候，我醒来就会想，好吧。

Because a lot of times, I'll like, I'll wake up and go, okay.

我得做一期漫画。

I gotta make a comic.

你知道，我会在准备出门之前，趁准备的时候做一期漫画。

You know, I'll make a comic before I but while I'm getting ready.

顺便说一句，这算是个小插曲。

And that's, by the way, as a as a little side note.

我其实没在这上面花太多时间。

I do not spend a lot of time in this.

我知道质量参差不齐，差别很大。

I know that the the quality veers wildly all over the place.

你知道，这有点像我的工作，我可以去精雕细琢，那样的话，我觉得整体质量会高很多。

You know, this is kind of thing where it's my job and I could I would fine tune them and everyone would be I I think the overall quality level will be much higher.

但事实上，我有时候就花五分钟想出来，我知道这就会有波动。

But the fact that I spend, you know, sometimes five minutes to come up with it, I I know that there there is a a variance.

但我真的很喜欢的还有一点，就是试着找到一种方式，既能紧跟时事，又能开些玩笑，不管当时发生了什么神奇的事情，都能从中找点乐子。

But the thing I do love also is trying to find a way to be topical and make jokes about kind of be able to have some fun at whatever magic is going on.

而且我尽量抓住当下，做一些跟时事相关的笑话。

And I try whenever I can to be in the moment and do jokes that are topical.

我并不是总能做到，有时候。

I I don't always sometimes.

有些笑话比较通用，你知道，任何时候都能讲。

Some of them are more, you know, I could do the joke anytime.

但通常，我总能找到一些可以拿来开玩笑的当前热点，我尽量这么做。

But usually, there's something I can make a joke about that's that's a current thing I I try to do.

那我们就来聊聊其中的一些吧。

So let's talk a little bit about some of.

再说一次，我并不是刻意要搞什么固定系列。

So once again, I didn't set out to do recurring things.

我只是天生就有喜剧细胞，当我发现某个东西很好笑的时候，我就会想，哦，好吧。

I just have comedy in my blood and, like, when I hit something that I know is funny, then I just go like, oh, okay.

我是说，每天想段子这件事，我发现有些天灵感一来就有，有些天就没那么容易。

I mean and one of part about trying to come up with comments every day is I realized that some days, you know, something will come and be, some days it's not as easy.

所以，我们有一些固定的梗，这样哪天卡壳了，我还能有东西可以用。

And so one thing think we're having some some running stuff is it just makes it easier when I'm having struggling one day that sometimes I have stuff I can go to.

对。

Okay.

我最常出现的漫画主题就是“又一天，又一天白白浪费了生产力”。

So my biggest reoccurring comic was the another day for a particular another day of productivity lost.

其实一开始画漫画的时候，我做了很多研发相关的内容。

So what happened early on when I was doing the comic was I did a lot of r and d.

如果你看我漫画的演变，早期大部分笑话都是关于研发本身的。

If you look about the the evolution of my comic, early on, most of the jokes were about r and d itself.

后来我慢慢发现，有些研发笑话不错，但最后我把更多笑话集中在游戏本身，而不是我们做游戏的过程。

And what I learned eventually was that some of that's good, but that I I ended up centering more of the jokes in the in the game itself and less about us making the game.

我现在还是会画研发笑话，这仍然是漫画的一部分。

I I still do R and D jokes, and it's it's still part of the comic.

顺便说一下，关于这部漫画，我意识到的一点是，我能做的事情范围很广，因为我可以拿游戏本身来开玩笑。

That's one the things, by way, I realized about the comic was the breadth of things I could do because I can make fan about the game.

我可以拿研发这款游戏的过程来开玩笑。

I can make fun of R and D making the game.

我也可以拿观众对游戏的反馈来开玩笑。

I can make fun of the audience reacting to the game.

你懂吧？

You know?

我还可以拿游戏里的元素、游戏里的美术、游戏里的卡牌来开玩笑。

I can make fun of elements of the game, art from the game, cards from the game.

我可以让卡牌互相聊天，或者讲讲它们现在怎么样了，各种不同的内容我都能做。

I get cards talking to each other or where are they now and all sorts of different stuff I could do.

顺便说一句，万智牌这个题材在喜剧创作上真的很有深度。

The the the magic is a pretty deep depth for doing comedy, by the way.

我觉得可能是因为它内容太丰富了。

Mean, I probably because there's a lot there.

所以早期我做了很多关于研发的内容。

So I was doing early on a lot of, like, r and d.

我拍了很多研发的照片。

I've taken a lot of pictures of r and d.

比如，如果你看最初大概六个月的《深渊传说》，可能连卡牌都算不上。

Like, if you look at the the first maybe six months of you may of not even the card.

大部分都是研发的镜头。

Of Tales From The Pit, it's mostly, like, shots of R and D.

而且我会摆拍一些镜头。

And I would pose shots.

我学到的另一件事是，摆拍镜头挺难的。

The other thing I've learned is posing shots are tough.

我觉得，做漫画有意思的一点是，它让我对视觉叙事产生了很大的敬意。

I mean, one of the things that's interesting about doing a comic is it made me have a lot of respect for visual storytelling.

因为比如说，我讲笑话的时候，主要是在铺垫一个笑点。

Because for example, mostly what I'm doing when I'm doing jokes is to set a punch line.

理想情况下，你希望铺垫在左边，笑点在右边。

And ideally, you want the setup on the left and the punch line on the right.

所以如果照片拍得不对，有时候我得把对话气泡交叉起来，这挺麻烦的。

So if I take the picture wrong, sometimes I have to cross the word balloons, which is a pain.

不过今天嘛，我就是想到哪儿说到哪儿。

But anyway, today is me just all over the board.

今天的话题差不多就是马克，马克一来就直奔主题，然后开始干活。

It's just Mark Mark almost my topic today should be Mark just goes dachshund and then he gets to work.

所以生产力的损失就是，我拍了一张大家在玩游戏的照片。

So the productivity loss was just I took a picture of of people playing, just playing games.

我当时就想，这该配什么文字好呢？

I'm like, what should this be?

然后不知怎么的，我觉得挺搞笑的，因为在研发部门，我们经常跑题，你知道的，一群聪明人，都挺书呆子气的，然后我们就随便聊。

And then somehow, thought it was funny that, like, oftentimes, just in R and D, we'll go off on topics and, you know, it's a bunch of bright guys who who are all pretty geeky and, like, we'll just talk about whatever.

对吧？

You know?