E18: Wayne Spies

是的。

Yeah.

我当时就想，好吧。

I didn't you know, I was like, okay.

行吧。

Well, okay.

我故意让自己处在一种对弹吉他一无所知的状态。

I was trying to put myself in a situation where I felt I knew nothing about playing guitar.

所以我只想全身心投入到吉他演奏的世界里。

So I wanted to just immerse myself in the world of guitar playing.

不过说实话，我本来就弹得挺烂的。

But yeah, I was rubbish anyway.

有个人叫克莱尔·拉根，最近参加了萨尔茨堡马拉松，快到终点时，她一边跑一边吹长笛，完整吹了一遍《苏格兰勇士》。

Somebody, Claire Langan did the Salzburg Marathon recently, and then she played a flute and knocked out a rendition of Scotland the brave as she approached the finish line.

她根本没吹完。

She didn't play it

全程都是这样，我看到这儿的时候还挺失望的。

the whole way, which when I read this, was a little bit disappointed about.

我还以为她会像皮普尔少年一样，你知道的，一路吹着走。

I thought she was gonna be like kind of Pied Piper, you know.

我以为她会整整26英里都拿着长笛吹奏。

I thought she was gonna be flute playing for 26 miles.

结果就只是在最后那段突然拿出来吹一曲。

So to just whip it out like, for the last bit and then play the flute.

我还是觉得这很了不起。

I'm still impressed by this.

你能想象吗？跑了那么远，长笛得多沉啊？

Can you imagine how heavy that flute must have gotten over the miles?

首先，带着长笛跑这么远，本身就挺麻烦的。

Like, I I feel like that's cumbersome to be carrying the flute, first of all.

而且，我知道一点没错，长笛根本不受风阻影响。

But also, the flute, I know this much is true, there is no resistance in a flute, no wind resistance.

吹奏起来很费气力。

So it takes a lot of breath.

弹奏起来特别耗体力。

It takes a lot of work to play.

她在跑完马拉松后还能吹出这么优美复杂的曲子，我真的觉得特别了不起。

And so the fact that she played this beautiful and sophisticated song at the end of a marathon, I still think is really impressive.

要是你推着钢琴跑全程，那才更棒呢。

Well, would have been much better if you pushed your piano around.

我其实也在想，沿途有没有乐队助兴。

Well, I I was thinking that, like, bands along the way.

在洛杉矶马拉松比赛中，当你跑进罗迪欧大道时，会有一位先生在那儿弹钢琴，那可是比佛利山庄著名的购物街。

It's so enjoyable to, in the LA Marathon, when you go down Rodeo Drive, there's a gentleman playing the piano, as you enter Rodeo Drive, the iconic, shopping street in Beverly Hills.

我喜欢听现场音乐，但要是她在终点线吹响《苏格兰勇士》，我一定会被深深打动。

So I love to hear live music, but I think I would have been really touched and moved to hear her play Scotland the brave at the finish line of a race.

这真是个美好又鼓舞人心的故事。

It was a beautiful story, uplifting story.

好的。

Okay.

那这个呢？算不算鼓舞人心？

Well, what about this one for uplifting?

这是我们这周最后一个奇怪又特别的故事。

It's our final kind of strange and different story of of the week this week.

德娜，我也不太确定这事儿最后会怎么发展。

And I think I'm not sure where this is gonna go, Deena.

加拿大有一对夫妻，想在卡尔加里马拉松上打破一项吉尼斯世界纪录——成为最快完成全程马拉松且戴着镣铐的混合夫妻组合。

But a married husband and wife in Canada are trying to break a Guinness World Record at the Calgary Marathon for the fastest mixed couple to complete a marathon in handcuffs.

天哪，他们

Oh, They'd be

已经结婚二十年了。

married for twenty years.

梅根和里奇·麦克唐纳，他们结婚已经二十年了。

Meghan and Rich McDonald will married for twenty years.

他们得跑出3分43秒17的成绩。

They need to break three forty three seventeen.

这让我琢磨起来，3分43秒17，真有这么快？

Now, course, this got me thinking, Three forty three seventeen.

你能做到吗？

Could you do it?

我觉得能行。

I reckon.

关键不在于Deena和Andrew能不能跑出3分43秒17，或者Martin和Liz能不能跑出这个成绩。

The challenge here is not could Deena and Andrew run three forty three seventeen or could Martin and Liz run three forty three seventeen?

真正的问题是，Martin和Liz被手铐锁在一起，能撑完全程马拉松吗？

It's could Martin and Liz be handcuffed together and survive a marathon distance?

你觉得怎么样？

How do you feel about

我觉得Liz根本不可能完成。

I'm willing to say Liz won't even do it.

丽兹根本不想参加。

Liz is like, I'm not even gonna do it.

我觉得她会说，别拿纪录来压我。

I've I had she's gonna say, have records.

我懂，我经历过。

I've been there.

我没必要跟丈夫绑在一起那么久。

I I don't need to be handcuffed to my husband for that for that amount of time.

对于

For

她可能觉得，过去二十五年早就被我拴住了。

She probably feels like she's been handcuffed to me for the past twenty five years anyway.

再绑她一回，也没必要了。

She doesn't actually need to be physically handcuffed to me for any longer.

我敢打赌，她现在连半马都不想跑，不过这是后话了。

I'm willing to bet she won't even commit to a half marathon at this point, but I digress.

你知道吗，我最近一直在想这事，因为今年九月，我和安德鲁就结婚二十年了，但我真不想用这种‘被锁在一起’的方式庆祝。

You know, I was thinking about this because when Andrew and I were first we're we're married for twenty years this September, and I do not wanna celebrate in this way, it being handcuffed together.

但我琢磨着，我们能不能换个方式？

But I was thinking, could we do it?

也不一定非得赶在他们说的那个时间点上。

And not even necessarily in this fast time that they're looking to do.

以前安德鲁是那个最有耐心的人，可自从有了女儿派珀，现在反而是我最有耐心了，他倒把耐心全丢了。

But Andrew used to be the one with all the patience, and after having our daughter Piper, I am now the one with all the patience, and he has lost his.

我就直说了吧。

I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.

我想他大概永远也不会听到这段话。

He won't ever hear this, I don't think.

但他其实挺有耐心的。

But he's patient.

对。

Yeah.

所以我也拿不准。

So I'm not sure.

希望他们这样庆祝完后，婚姻还能撑过二十一年。

I hope their marriage survives twenty one years after celebrating in this way.

祝梅根和里奇好运。

Good luck, Megan and Rich.

希望你们能

Hope you can

以每公里三分四十秒、三分四十三秒的速度坚持下去。

go hope they can go along at at sub three forty sub three forty three pace.

你大概也不想说话吧？

You probably don't wanna talk, do you?

我跑步的时候从不跟莉兹说话，她也不跟我聊。

I can't talk to Liz when she When I'm running, Liz doesn't talk to me anyway.

她

She

幸运的是，如果手被划到了，你只要猛地一抽，他们就会注意到，或者知道你得减速了。

does Luckily, if your hand cuts, you just kinda like yank your hand if you want their attention or if you need them to slow down.

我们跑步的时候，她不想跟我说话。

She does not wanna talk to me when we're running.

莉兹跑步的时候，就只想专心跑步。

When Liz runs, she just wants to run.

我就像个跟屁虫，还老打扰她。

And I am just a hanger on and a pest.

她根本不想知道。

She does not wanna know.

她只想沉浸在自己的世界里。

She just wants to get her in her own headspace.

你们庆祝纪念日得换种方式，别这样。

You guys gotta celebrate your anniversaries in a different way than this.

对。

Yeah.

梅根和里奇这么做其实是为了一件有意义的事。

Megan and Rich are actually doing this for a good cause.

他们不只是想打破吉尼斯世界纪录，还在为一个帮助加拿大线粒体疾病患者的慈善机构筹款。

They're not just trying to break the Guinness World Record, but they're raising funds for a charity that helps Canadians living with mitochondrial disease.

我还特意去查了查，当时我就想，这到底是什么意思？

And I actually looked this up because was I like, what does that mean?

听起来挺重要的。

It sounds pretty important.

得了这种病，你的线粒体就没办法有效把糖分和氧气转化成能量。

But your mitochondria, when you have this disease, can't efficiently or effectively turn sugar or oxygen into energy.

你能想象吗？在身体无法高效把糖和氧气转化成能量的情况下跑完一场马拉松？

So can you imagine running a marathon without the the efficiency of your of your body being able to or your mitochondria being able to turn sugar and oxygen into energy?

希望他们在比赛当天线粒体功能正常，也希望能为患者多筹些善款。

Hopefully, their mitochondria is working well on race day as well as their patients, but but raising money for a good cause.

我很欣赏，总有人一次次利用这项运动来提高公众意识，同时筹集资金。

I love that that people are using this sport time and time again to really raise awareness as well as funds.

本期嘉宾来自澳大利亚布里斯班，是一位超马跑者。

This episode's guest is an ultra runner from Brisbane, Australia.

他是阿迪达斯世界马拉松大满贯六星完赛者，目前正在为即将到来的科马德斯马拉松做减量训练。

He's an Abbott World Marathon Majors six star finisher and beginning to taper for the upcoming Comrades Marathon.

用他自己的话说，他正在实现梦想。

In his own words, he's living the dream.

在我看来，他根本停不下来。

In my words, he's unstoppable.

我特别期待能从这位坚韧不拔的韦恩·斯派斯身上学到东西。

I can't wait to learn from this ever enduring Wayne Spies.

韦恩，欢迎来到《马拉松谈话》。

Wayne, welcome to Marathon Talk.

哦，迪娜，太感谢你了，能见到你真是荣幸之至。

Oh, Deena, thank you so much, and it's it's an absolute pleasure to meet you.

能和你随便聊聊简直太棒了，真的很感谢你抽出时间。

And just to have a bit of chitchat with you is absolute magic, and I do appreciate your time.

如果我们的听众知道我们为了这场采访付出了多少努力——跨越时区、反复调试设备，他们一定会更加珍惜这次对话。

If our listeners knew how hard we worked for this interview, crossing time zones and, and troubleshooting with technology, they would appreciate this conversation even more.

但我2000年的时候在布里斯班参加奥运会集训，那地方美得让人窒息。

But I was in Brisbane in 2000 for training camp for the Olympic Games, and it was so stunning there.

我们去了史蒂夫·欧文的澳大利亚动物园，绕着那儿无数条美丽的步道一路奔跑。

We went to Steve Irwin's Australia Zoo and just ran on the very many beautiful trails around that area.

你和你妻子是2000年从南非搬过来的，对吧？

You and your wife moved there from South Africa in 2000.

是什么让你们决定来澳大利亚？

What brought you to Australia?

那时候我和我妻子都还年轻，正热恋着，又特别喜欢旅行。

Oh, it's just my wife and I were both young, and in love, and, we we love traveling.

我们想在组建家庭之前，先换个环境，重新开始。

And we basically wanted a new and a fresh start before we sort of had a family.

于是我们就决定先出去走走。

And, yeah, we decided to travel a bit.

我们当时到处走了一圈，最后就落脚在布里斯班，一到那儿就爱上了。

And, yeah, we traveled, you know, to a few different places, and, yeah, we just ended up in Brisbane, and we fell in love with it immediately.

我们俩一见如故，心里马上就明白，这就是我们想定居的地方。

And we we just both both clicked, and we knew this is where we want to.

那种感觉，就像余生都该在这里度过。

It felt like how rest of our life.

没错。

Absolutely.

是的。

Yeah.

我跟我丈夫也是这样。

I feel like it did that for my husband and I.

那时候我们刚恋爱，觉得如果能选一个地方定居，除了我们当时住的加州曼莫斯湖，就非澳大利亚莫属。

We were newly in love at the time and said if we could live anywhere in the world besides Mammoth Lakes, California where we currently live, it would be Australia.

我们真的特别喜欢那里。

We absolutely loved it there.

不只是因为那里风景美、跑步小道多，更是因为那里的人都特别友好、热情。

Not because it was just because it was beautiful and there were so many running trails, but because the people there were just simply amazing, so inviting.

对。

Uh-huh.

你现在可不在布里斯班了。

And you're not in Brisbane right now.

你现在在训练营。

You're in a training camp.

跟我们的听众说说，你现在具体在哪儿？

Tell us tell our listeners where you are right now.

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

这真是个令人兴奋的时刻。

It's an exciting time.

我特别兴奋。

I'm absolutely, excited.

我现在在南非，为康德斯马拉松做训练，或者更准确地说，现在正处于减量调整阶段。

I'm currently in South Africa training for the Comrades Marathon, or should I say I'm in the taper phase now.

我已经在这里待了几周，康德斯马拉松就在十一天后，下个星期日，6月11号举行。

I've been here for a few weeks, and the Comrades Marathon is in exactly eleven days time on June 11 next Sunday.

所以，我正全身心投入备战，既兴奋又迫不及待想迎接这个挑战。

So, yeah, I'm getting in deep in preparation for it and excited and can't wait for the challenge.

是的。

Yeah.

康德斯马拉松对你来说意义非凡。

And Comrades is your thing.

它被称为终极人类耐力赛。

It's, it's dubbed the ultimate human race.

是什么让你如此投入这项赛事？

And what brings you to it?

这会是你的第十一场吗？

This is gonna be your eleventh?

没错。

Absolutely.

我已经完成了十场。

I've I've completed 10.

所以，从小在这儿长大，Comrades 对很多人来说可能不太了解，但这里的人都知道它有多重要。

So, obviously, growing up here, Comrades, for those who aren't aware, is is huge.

这是在德班和彼得马里茨堡两座城市之间进行的一场山地马拉松。

It's an altermountain between two cities, Durban and Peter Marathon.

每年方向都会交替，今年一个方向，明年就反过来。

It alternates from year to year, one one in one direction, and it switches the next.

这项赛事规模真的太大了。

And it's so huge.

每年平均有两万名运动员参加。

Average, it's 20,000 athletes that participate in it a year.

这是全球历史最悠久、规模最大的超马赛事，据说，没跑过科马斯马拉松，就不算真正的长跑选手。

It's the world's oldest and largest ultra marathon, and it it's said that you're not a true distance runner until you've attempted the Comrades Marathon.

我小时候就开始跑了，但那时候根本不喜欢德娜。

I obviously started as a youngster, and I didn't enjoy Deena.

这是实话。

That's the truth.

我真的不喜欢。

I didn't enjoy it.

当时什么都不懂，只是觉得能跑一次这比赛，简直像做梦一样。

Obviously, not knowing what I'm doing, it was just a dream to do it.

我一直说，总有一天我要回来，好好拼一次。

And I always said someday I'd like to come back, and I'd love to have a real crack at it.

现在，我就站在这里了。

And this is where I'm at at the moment.

之前跟你说过，我现在正在实现一个童年时就许下的愿望——等年纪大一点，一定要完成它。

Like I said to you prior to this is that I'm living a dream that I'd I'd I'd sort of, as a young kid, said I want to fulfill sometime late in life.

是的。

Yeah.

今年的比赛路线是从皮特马里茨堡到德班，全程是下坡。

And it so this year's race is from Peter Maritsburg to Durban, and it's a downhill.

总共有3827英尺，也就是1166米的垂直落差。

It is 3,827 feet or 1,166 meters of vertical descent.

你跑上坡和下坡赛段的方式不一样吗？

Do you run the races differently?

因为你既跑过上坡版，也跑过下坡版。

Because you've run the uphill and the downhill version.

你跑这两种赛段时策略不同吗？

Do you run them differently?

当然不同。

Absolutely.

它们其实是两种完全不同的比赛。

So they're two different events.

你可能不信，迪娜，我其实更喜欢上坡跑。

And believe it or not, Deena, I actually enjoy the the uphill.

所以往上跑的时候，我反而觉得特别享受。

So running up, I actually enjoy that.

过去我下坡时一直挺吃力的。

I have struggled in the past coming down.

但随着时间推移，我不得不认真研究怎么提升下坡能力，这也就是我目前在这里集训的原因。

But, obviously, over time, I've had to look into it and look at how as to how I can strengthen my downhill running, and that's why I'm currently in this camp.

说白了，就是来提升体能，让自己更强壮。

Basically coming to strengthen you know, get stronger.

我觉得这些训练确实有效。

And I'm I'm of I'm of the opinion that it's it's working.

当然，六月十一号之后才能知道结果到底怎么样，但我心里很有底，我相信自己能达成设定的目标。

I'll tell you, obviously, after June 11 whether or was a success, but, I'm quietly confident that, I can achieve the the the goal and the outcome that I've obviously put in front of me.

明白了。

Okay.

去年参加康德赛之前，那是你第十次参赛，你当时的目标是突破六小时二十分的个人最好成绩，想尽量逼近六小时。

So last year before Comrades, it was your tenth, and you wanted to get I think your personal best before that was, like, six hours twenty minutes, and you wanted to get closer to six hours.

结果你跑出了六小时零一分三十三秒。

And you ran six zero one thirty three.

那这次，你是打算突破六小时吗？

So is this time around, are you trying to break six hours?

迪娜，你可真说到点子上了。

Deena, you are on the money.

我的目标，我已经跟我太太说了。

So my goal and I said it to my beautiful wife.

我对她说：亲爱的，只要能跑进六小时，就是成功。

I said, love, if I can just break six hours is a goal.

如果你不清楚的话，这个距离相当于每公里四分钟左右，这速度可不慢。

And and for for those of you unaware, it's it's about four minutes a kilometer over that distance, and that that's moving along.

我为此做了充分训练，也相信自己有足够的实力。

So I've I've trained for it, and I believe I'm confident that I'm strong enough.

我现在对你们说，我也要让全世界知道，我内心很有把握，这次一定能突破六小时。

And and I'm speaking to you, and I'll let the world know that I I'm quietly confident that I'll break it this time.

这就是你为什么所向披靡的原因。

This is why you are unstoppable.

真正让你所向披靡的，就是这一点。

It is truly why you are unstoppable.

我太喜欢这一点了。

I love that.

我喜欢你这么拼劲十足。

I love that you're going for it.

我这周做研究时才知道，当你完成了十次康德斯赛，就会获得永久号码，从此以后你的号码就固定不变了。

And I didn't know until doing research earlier this week that when you have run at 10 Comrades, you get a green number, that you your number is set for you for the rest of of your running career.

你的号码是25035，这就是你的幸运号码。

So your number is your lucky number is 25035.

我特意去查了这个信息。

I I looked that up.

跟我们说说还有哪些让Comrades如此特别的地方吧，这场比赛里有很多细微的细节，真正让它成为传奇，不只是它的历史和那个绿色号码。

And, tell us tell us some other things that makes Comrades so special because there's a lot of little little things in this race that really that really make it so iconic, not just the age of it and this green number.

说说这些其他的细节吧。

Tell us some of those other details.

哦，迪娜，说实话，每个跑过Comrades的人都会告诉你，一旦你跑过这场赛事，你的人生就再也回不去了。

Oh, Deena, it's I mean, for every single runner who's ran Comrades, they they will tell you that once you've run Comrades, your life will never be the same.

我年轻的时候也跑过。

And even as a youngster, I've run it.

就像我前面说的，当时我并不喜欢，但我的人生确实变了。

And like I said early on, I didn't enjoy it, but my life had changed.

跑完Comrades之后，我觉得自己没什么做不到的事，就是因为它的难度实在太高了。

There was nothing that I I believe I couldn't achieve after running Comrades because it was because of the degree of difficulty.

所有参加过、完成过这场比赛的人，都会跟你讲同样的话，他们都能证明我刚才说的。

And every runner who's who's who's participated and everyone who's completed it will tell you exactly, and and they will bear witness to what I've just said.

你知道吗，迪娜，不管你是在前面夺冠，还是最后一个冲线，在我眼里，每一个完成Comrades马拉松的人都是真正的传奇，因为光是站上起点就需要勇气、自律和巨大的决心，更别说跑完全程了。

You know, Deena, whether you're up front and and you and you win the event or whether you're the last finisher, every single person in my in my eyes that completes the Comrades Marathon is an absolute legend because it takes it takes courage, takes discipline, a huge amount of commitment just to get to the sideline, let alone to finish it.

但更重要的是，人们称它为终极人类赛事，因为我可以讲好几个故事，关于我亲眼看到别人，也包括我自己，在最后那段路程里帮助那些挣扎着前进的跑者。在非洲，这叫‘乌班图’——一种对同伴的关爱与扶持，推着他们一起冲过终点。

But more than that, they call it the ultimate human race because I can tell you several stories of of seeing people and even myself helping fellow runners who who struggled, especially in that last part, and where you have to obviously show what they call in Africa, ubuntu, which is a sort of a love and a concern for your fellow runner and help them to the finish.

我本人也经历过，就在比赛最激烈的前段，看到一位跑者突然摔倒、瘫在地上，彻底放弃了。我没法丢下他不管。

I've had that personally even up front in the pointy end of the the event, you know, where I saw a fellow runner fall down and collapse and and give up, and and I couldn't let them stay there.

我扶着他，让他靠在我肩膀上，一路搀着他走到最近的医疗点。

And I put them around my shoulder and and and help them to the nearest medic.

当然，那位跑者最后完成了比赛，如今我们成了非常好的朋友，关系特别铁。

And, obviously, that particular runner did finish the event, and today, we we we best we're good mates, real good friends.

但我想说的是，这真是一次改变人生的经历。

But to the point is that it's a life changing experience.

说到你的绿色号码牌，不好意思，我插一句。

And to your green number sorry.

一旦你完成了十次这项赛事，而且表现达标，就会获得一个永久性的绿色号码牌。

Obviously, once you complete 10 of these and you're absolutely spot on again, you receive what they call a green number, which is a permanent number.

我去年在比赛中拿到的那个号码，从此就永远属于我了，再也不会变。

So that number that I received last year at the event, it'll never change, and it'll always be mine.

有意思的是，就算我将来不在了，我的两个儿子如果想回来，用我爸的号码跑一次康德赛，那也是他们可以继承并延续下去的东西。

And and the legacy that interesting part is, obviously, even if I pass or later on in life, my young sons wanna come back and and perhaps use dad's number and then run the Comrades, that's something that they could use and and take on and obviously continue that on.

所以说，这真的是一种执念——他们花那么多心思做营销，说实话，德娜，这几乎成了一种上瘾，你一心想拿到那个绿色号码。

And so it's it's an absolute I mean, the way they've, you know, obviously, putting the homework into in terms of marketing and in terms of to to to put it the the truth is, Deena, it almost becomes like a an addiction because you you say, I have to get that green number.

先跑一次康德赛，然后两次，接着非得拿到绿色号码不可。

I have to get one Comrades, then I have to get two, then I have to get the green number.

再往后还有双绿号，就是跑满二十次的那种，等等。

And it goes on to a double green, which is 20 and and that sort of thing.

不过，德娜，那并不是我的目标。

But, obviously, that's not my goal, Deena.

但这种传统确实深入人心，能给后人留下这样的印象：天啊，你真是个传奇。

But it's certainly a tradition that that lives well in terms of leaving legacy behind for others to say, man, you're an absolute legend.

就像我跟你说的，不管你跑了一次、十次，还是二十次、三十次，在无数跑者眼里，你都是传奇。

And like I explained to you, whether you do one, ten, or, you know, 20 or 30, you're a legend in in many, many runners' eyes.

难以置信。

Unbelievable.

我都不知道你这个号码要退役了。

So I didn't know that you are actually retiring this number.

这个号码以后就一直留在你们家了。

Like, this number just stays with your family.

你两个儿子都跑步吗？

Do your do your two sons run?

他们喜欢运动吗？

Do they like sports?

这情况挺有意思的。

Well, it's contrasting.

我大儿子刚高中毕业，特别喜欢各种运动，主要打篮球。

I've got one son who's just finished high school, and he he loves all sports, but he's he's played basketball.

他要去美国拿奖学金打篮球。

So he's off to The US to play basketball on a scholarship.

小儿子则更偏向学业，特别爱看书。

And the youngest one is more an academic who just loves the books.

当然，我妻子是一名教师。

And and, of course, my wife is a school teacher.

她特别喜欢学习，而他也很爱读书。

She just loves to study, and he loves his books.

两个孩子性格完全不同。

Two different kids.

不过我可以自豪地说，他们都很为父母感到骄傲，因为我妻子也跑马拉松，还完成了六星挑战。

But, yeah, they they I can tell you proudly that they're both real proud of dad and mom because my wife is a does marathons too, and she's also a six star finisher as well.

我们是一起走过这段路的。

So we we did that journey together.

是的。

Yeah.

真是一对厉害的夫妻。

What a power couple.

天哪。

My goodness.

你刚才提到，这项赛事能激发出人们的坚韧与善意。

So you you spoke a little bit to the the strength and the compassion that this race brings out in people.

听你这么说，我都快哭了，这对你了解我的人来说一点都不意外。

I was getting emotional as you were talking, which is no surprise for those who know me.

我特别喜欢听那些让人心里暖暖的英雄故事。

I love to to feel just heartwarmed by stories of heroicism.

在训练的过程中，你觉得自己收获了什么？

What do you think in this training buildup?

你培养了哪些内在的力量，能在关键时刻支撑住你？

What did you acquire?

你说的是‘乌班图’精神吗？

What strength did you work on that is gonna be there for you when you need is is it Ubuntu?

你刚才说的是这个意思吗？

Is that what you said?

当你需要最后一股劲儿冲过去的时候，脑子里会不会有个口号或者信念，帮你挺过去？

When you need that that extra force to get through it, is there a mantra or something in your head that that's gonna get you through that moment?

我觉得有那么几个特别的时刻，迪娜。

Well, I think there's a few special moments, Deena.

就像我说的，我家人现在没在我身边，他们还在澳大利亚。

Like I said, I've I've got a beautiful my family is not with me currently in this camp.

他们留在了澳洲。

They're back in Oz.

但我一直都不避讳这么说。

But for me, I've always and I'm not afraid to say it.

我在这项赛事的前三分之二段一直表现不错，但最后三分之一总是挺吃力的。

I've always had a good first two thirds of the of the of this particular race, and then I sort of struggled in that last third.

所以我一直在锻炼自己的耐力和力量。

So I've worked on both my endurance and my strength.

这些方面的提升，我花了一年多的时间才慢慢建立起来。

And these phases, it took me the best part of a year to develop that.

而这一路走来，最让我欣慰的是，我的心理素质明显更强了，尤其是在最后那段真正艰难的时刻。

And the best part to doing that, Deena, is along that journey, I've obviously I've adapted a a much stronger mental aptitude, especially toward the pointy end where it becomes real real struggle.

这次，我家人给我准备了一件特别的东西。

And this time, I've had a special something special that was done by my family.

我根本没想到，我妻子和孩子们竟然做了这件事。

I didn't realize my wife and and my kids.

直到我到这儿，我才买了跑鞋，然后整整齐齐地塞进了行李里。

Only only when I got here, I bought a race shoe and obviously packed it all the way in my bag.

其实我妻子早就帮我打包好了。

My wife had it all packed.

我到这儿之后才发现，我妻子和孩子们在鞋底刻了一段特别的话。

And when I got here, my wife and kids had inscribed something special on the base of of the shoe.

我两个儿子、我妻子，还有我妈妈，一起在鞋底写了一段话，一看就让我心里一热，真的给了我莫大的动力。

So from both my sons and my wife and and my mom as well, something that that really when I looked at it, gee, was you know, it it gave me that motivation.

就连现在跟你说这些，我都觉得特别感动，它让我想起我儿子说的话：爸爸，你是个传奇。

And even as I'm talking to you now, it's sort of, you know, I feel so emotional about it, but but but it gives me that time to say, my son says, dad, you're a legend.

你一定能做到，我知道你一定会让我感到骄傲。

You can do it, and and I know you're gonna make me proud.

所以当事情变得艰难的时候，就低头看看这双鞋，告诉自己：看，你做得到。

And and that's what's sort of when it gets tough, just look down at those shoes and say, see, you can do it.

你身后有所有人支持着你。

You've got everyone behind you.

你知道吗，迪娜，人生中总会遇到各种事情，我相信每个人都会经历不同的阶段，都会走过冬天，经历那些艰难的时期。

You know, Deena, when when things happen in your life and I believe without going off the topic is that you get seasons in life, you know, and and we all go through winter and and through those difficult phases.

但就像我之前跟你说的，我几乎觉得，活出梦想就是：我不敢说这全是为了我，但我相信，属于我的那个阶段终于来了，一切都恰到好处地融合在了一起，正因如此，我才如此热爱跑步。

But I'm almost like like I said, when I explained to you earlier, living the dream is that I believe my that season without sounding like it's all about me, but I I believe that season has come where it's all just coming together beautifully, and and that's why I'm just I love my running.

我热爱我的生活。

I love my life.

而且，我要一直保持积极的心态。

And and just just to be positive about everything.

所以我才说，看着这双鞋，我知道自己付出了很多努力。

And that's why I said, looking down at those shoes, I know I've worked hard.

我一直全心投入，这份坚持塑造了那个提醒我的身份：坚持住，韦恩。

I've I've been committed, and my commitment created that identity that says, hang on, Wayne.

你能做到的。

You can do this.

所有人都在支持你，而且你以前也做过。

You've got everyone behind you, and you've done this before.

你有这个经验。

You've got the experience.

所以，没错，咱们就冲向终点吧，对吧？

So, yeah, let's get to that finish, don't I?

没错。

Right.

我觉得，当困难来临时，看看那双鞋，或者哪怕只是感受到它踩在脚下的感觉，都会让你明白，你的使命远不止于你自己。

And I think when you're, to to see those shoes or even just feel them on your feet when the going gets tough, knowing that your purpose is greater than just you.

你一直是这方面的榜样。

And you have been such a shining example of that.

你从家族中的女性长辈身上汲取了很多力量。

You got a lot of inspiration by the matriarchs in your family.

我觉得是你的祖母和你妈妈一直在背后支持你，塑造了你内心那股战士般的劲头。

I think it was your grandmother and your and your mom who have been so supportive in in molding kind of that warrior in you.

你能说说她们给了你哪些力量，让你能像现在这样坚持下去吗？

Can you talk to what gifts they have given you to be able to persevere like you do?

哦，就像我刚才说的，Deena，我小时候生活并不轻松。

Oh, like I said, you know, Deena, I I grew up as a youngster, and life wasn't easy.

我父亲在我很小的时候就去世了。

I lost my dad at a very young age.

结果呢，我妈妈给我生了个小妹妹。

And as a result, my mom I just have got a younger sister.

我妈带着我们搬去和外婆一起住，那时候我还不太明白自己是怎么出生的。

My mom took us into live with my grandmother, and she always and I wasn't aware of what was going on with my birth.

她总跟我说，韦恩，生活棒极了。

She always said, Wayne, life is awesome.

你可能会经历一些艰难的阶段，但每个季节都有它的到来，你的好日子也会来的。

You may go through difficult phases, but seasons your season will come.

所以我说，这些价值观，从小就在我心里扎了根，现在我也把这些传给了我的孩子们。

And that's why I talk like it is these sort of values, the value system that was embedded in me as a youngster, the same ones that I pass on to my my kids.

正因如此，我特别爱我老婆，因为我们根本就是一类人。

And it's exactly that's why I love my wife so much is that we're, from the same cloth.

她这一生也经历过各种起起落落。

She's also been through lots of different phases in life.

我们俩刚认识的时候，还在学校念书，住在南非，就一起说，有朝一日真想去跑纽约马拉松。

And together, when we met each other, Deena, as youngsters in school, we both said, you know, living in South Africa, we both said, one day, it'd be nice to run the New York Marathon.

真想把世界各地的马拉松都跑一遍，那时候我们纯粹就是在做梦。

It would be nice to run all these different marathons, and and we just we were dreaming.

那时候我们一无所有，但你知道吗？当你真心相信一件事，又敢于梦想，那股力量真的很强大。

And and, you know, we had nothing, but, you know, it's powerful when you believe in something and you dream.

所以，抱歉，我有点激动了。

And, you know, that's why sorry.

我不怕重复说：当梦想成真的那一刻，你会觉得，自己好像真的能创造奇迹。所以我跟任何人说，只要你信，就没有什么不可能。

Without sounding redundant, it's like living that dream, when it comes to pass, it's like, you know, you you think you're creator above, but and that's why when I talk to anyone, I say anything is possible if you just believe it.

你知道的。

You know?

所以当你看到像你这样，或者身边那些已经走过这条路的人时，你可能没意识到，你的所作所为对别人有多大的激励作用。

And that's why when you look at people like yourself or others around there who've been there and done it before, you don't realize how much of an inspiration you are in what you do.

就算我只是听一听《马拉松对话》这个播客，只是为了了解一些新动态，也会听到太多来自各行各业、速度各异的人的感人故事。

And even if I've listened to, you know, the Marathon Talk podcast just to get up to date with different things and just just so many inspiring stories from people of all walks of life from from faster on this to slower on this.

每个人都有自己的故事。

Everyone has a story.

你的故事，谁也不知道什么时候会成为某个人在特定时刻所需要的那点光亮。

And your story, you never know when that little story can inspire or spark something that's needed for someone at a specific season.

所以我说，你们所做的事太了不起了，把普通人的经历分享给全世界。

And that's why I say what you guys are doing is phenomenal just to share everyday people's experience with the rest of the world.

是的。

Yeah.

我感觉自己一直在掐自己。

I I think I pinched me all the time.

我正在过着梦想中的生活。

I'm living the dream.

我能坐在这里，和你们进行这些有意义的对话，我知道全球各地的人都能从你们的经历中获得启发。

I get to to sit here and have these meaningful conversations that I know different different people across the globe are gonna be able to draw inspiration from you.

你已经回馈了太多。

And you've given back so much.

我记得你曾经为世界宣明会跑过马拉松。

You've, I think, at one point ran for team World Vision.

那是全球最大的非政府供水组织，同时还致力于对抗贫困、营养不良和饥饿。

It's the largest nongovernment supplier of water in the world aside from trying to combat poverty and malnourishment and starvation.

能把这些里程用在这么有意义的事情上，真是了不起的承诺。

What a great commitment to put those miles to work.

你回到本国后，有计划去学校或看望家人吗？

And, as you are back in your home country, do you have any plans to visit schools or family?

我想象你坐在餐桌旁，给家人带来的不只是食物，还有你丰富的阅历和智慧。

Like, I just picture you sitting around the table with your family and just, like, feeding them not just food, but, like, your wealth of knowledge.

你在那里有什么安排吗？

Do you have any plans while you're there?

有的。

Yes.

当然有。

So absolutely.

我其实已经有幸加入了一个精英训练营。

What what I've actually done, I've been privileged enough to join I'm I'm part of a it's an elite camp.

这是在南非的一支赞助团队之一。

So it's one of the sponsored, basically, teams that are here in South Africa.

我加入了他们，我们一起努力，通过分享日常经历，激励下一代和那些正在崛起的年轻人，当然也讲讲我们一路走来的点点滴滴。

So I've joined them, and together, we basically try and inspire the next generation and those up and coming just just by sharing everyday experiences and and and and, obviously, you know, how we've got to where we were in our in our little journey.

我身边都是这样的人。

And I'm surrounded.

我很幸运，身边都是特别鼓舞人心的伙伴，他们以一种特别积极的方式激励着我。

I'm privileged enough to be surrounded by guys who are so inspiring and and sort of rubble for me in in such a good way.

与此同时，由于我身处一个非常偏远的乡村，我们很幸运能融入当地居民当中，分享我们一路走来的各种经历和故事。

And along with that, we you know, obviously, I'm in a very rural setting, and we're fortunate enough to to mix amongst the locals and get to share all our experiences and everything that we have, you know, that we've done along the way.

所以，能身处这样的环境真的非常幸运，就像我说的，关键就在于分享——跑步的本质就是如此。

So, again, just a privileged position to be there, and like I said, just to to share on because it's and that's what it's about running.

我喜欢跑步，因为你能从中学会很多东西。

I I like running is you know, you can learn so much.

你以为自己懂很多了，但其实你一直在学习。

You think you know so much, but you continue to learn.

真正的意义在于激励他人，留下一段长久而深远的传承。

And and inspiring is what's about, you know, leaving a legacy that's gonna be longing and lasting.

没错。

Right.

能从身边的人身上汲取灵感，同时又把同样的东西传递给他们，这种平衡实在太美好了。

And what a beautiful balance to to take inspiration from all of those around you, but also feed feed them that that same thing.

真是个完美的循环。

What a great circle.

听起来训练营的效果简直太神奇了。

It sounds like training camps working just magically.

你最喜欢的超马训练是什么？

Do you have a favorite ultramarathon workout?

每周有没有哪项训练特别让你有信心，或者特别期待？

Is there something that that gives you confidence or that you look forward to during the week?

当然有。

Absolutely.

我一直特别喜欢长距离跑。

So I've always loved the long run.

长跑是我最最爱的训练。

The long run is my favorite of favorites.

这可是我的看家本领。

It's what I call my bread and butter.

我练马拉松的时候，通常会跑那种传统的32公里，但我喜欢再加一点，比如

You know, when I'm training for a standard marathon, I'll do what they call a traditional 20 mile, but I like to add a bit more, which is Of

那当然了。

course you do.

四十公里。

The 40 k.

我训练标准越野跑的时候，最钟爱的就是四十公里的长跑。

So the when I'm training for a standard mountain, the 40 k long run is my favorite.

不管是去二十公里再原路返回，我都能完全沉浸其中。

I can just zone out whether it's going up to 20 k and coming back on the same loop.

就一个人静静地待着。

Just be with myself.

我相信你也有过这种体验，有时候感觉像是灵魂出窍一样。

And it's just I'm sure you've had the experience where you feel sometimes that you're an out of body experience.

你仿佛飘在空中，一路走过各种思绪。

You're just floating about there and going through things.

很多人都跟我这么说，他们说，韦恩，我们总觉得你快疯了，因为你总是笑嘻嘻的，一个人跑在那儿，跟个没事人一样。

And I know many people have said it to me all the time because they say, Wayne, we we think you're You're losing it because you're always smiling, and and and you're out there like it's just you.

那时候，整个世界就只剩下我一个人。

And it's just me in the world.

就连我孩子都知道，爸爸每天早上四点出门长跑，我平时喜欢在工作日跑，但更多时候还是选在周末。

Even, you know, my kids have learned that dad goes out 04:00 in the morning for a long run, and I like I like doing one in the middle of the week, but generally the weekend.

尤其是跑超马的长距离时，我能一口气跑上四五个小时。

And especially when I do my longer ones for ultras, you know, I can go for four or five hours.

就是轻松地跑，完全不用使劲。

Just real easy running where there's real, you know, not much effort.

你只是悠闲地跑着，跑完回来却感觉神清气爽，整个人都活过来了。

You're just cruising along there, and you come back and you feel like a million dollars.

你知道吧？

You know?

大多数人会觉得你疯了。

And, I mean, most people think you're nuts.

你知道吧？

You know?

你只是知道它带来的好处，但更重要的是，跑完长跑之后，我真的觉得自己充满活力。

You just you know the benefit that you're getting from it, but, obviously, also, in terms of just how you feel, you I feel alive after a long run.

当然，短跑训练完全不一样，迪娜，那时候你是在无氧状态下拼命冲刺，简直是在折磨自己。

Obviously, a track session is totally different, Deena, where you work you're working out in an anaerobic state and you're you're smashing yourself.

是的。

Yeah.

你就是会觉得，天哪。

You you just feel like, oh my goodness.

跑完那种训练，我真能吐出来。

I could I could throw up after that.

但长跑之后，你就是会觉得，这简直是世上最棒的事。

But essentially, after long run, you just feel like it's it's the best thing in the world.

韦恩，我下次长跑的时候叫上你。

Wayne, I'm gonna summon you on my next long run.

因为说实话，我跑完长跑后觉得自己状态绝佳的时候，真的少之又少，甚至几乎没有。

And, because I can tell you there is very few occasions, if any, that I feel like a million dollars after a long run.

通常是两毛五左右。

It's usually, like, 25¢.

但要是洗完冰浴再吃顿大餐，我可能觉得自己值五十块了。

But after an ice bath and a big meal, I might feel like $50 maybe.

我也说不准。

I don't know.

不客气。

Other You're welcome.

除了科马德斯赛，还有没有其他超马赛事是你特别想参加的？

Comrades other than Comrades, are there any other ultravaces that you that you feel drawn to?

说实话，迪娜，我确实没跑过几场别的。

The truth is, Deena, I obviously haven't done many other.

我跑过不少超长距离赛事，但我的路子比较特别，我一直特别喜欢马拉松，现在我所处的状态，你也懂的。

I've done I've done quite a few ultra distance events, but I've I've sort of been on my journey, I'm sort of been drawn to I'm still loving the marathon, and it's it's it's a it's a the state of I mean, the position that I find myself in is is is you know?

我没回避你的问题，只是因为我年纪越大，状态反而越好。

And I'm not getting away from your question, but it's, you know, because I'm I'm sort of improving as I age.

我知道这听起来有点奇怪，不过提醒一下，我已经五十岁了。

I know it's it's a weird thing, but, you know, I'm 50 years old for those who aren't aware.

我其实是后来才重新开始跑步的，之前一度把这事给忘了。

And I've I've because I sort of picked up my running later on in life after sort of forgetting about it.

等我稳定下来，有了家庭之后，情况就变了。

But once I'd obviously established myself and and and then we had our family, Yeah.

这些年，无论什么距离，我的个人最佳成绩都在不断刷新，每年都有新突破，德娜。

I've just found these personal bests coming across all distances, and they seem to come every year, Deena.

从2016年到现在，每年都这样，一次都没落下。

Like, they've they've come from 2016 right up until this year.

到现在，我还在不断创造新的好成绩。

I'm still seeing them.

正因如此，我依然对马拉松情有独钟，也正因如此，我觉得自己在马拉松上还有未完成的心愿，想实现一个特别的目标。

So because of that, I'm still drawn to the marathon, and that's why I believe I have unfinished business on a personal level in trying to achieve a goal that I'd like to in the marathon.

至于你问到的科马德斯比赛，说实话，它一直在我心里挥之不去，因为我真的特别享受那种感觉。

But in terms of your question for Altus, yeah, Comrades has still just been eating at me because I I seem to enjoy it.

每次我为康德斯训练完，回到普通马拉松时状态都会特别好，这正是我正在为今年十月在芝加哥举行的下一场赛事做准备的原因。

And every time I put in a training block for Comrades, I seem to come back really strong when I go back to the standard marathon, which is obviously why I'm working towards my next goal, which is coming up in October in Chicago.

所以这就是为什么我一年只跑这一项超马，其他超马我目前还没怎么跑。

So that's that's that's sort of why I'm not really that's the only ultra that I'll do in the year, and I don't do many other than that yet.

你似乎找到了一个完美的平衡点：跑马拉松让你在康德斯中表现更高效，而康德斯又让你在下一场比赛中更强壮。

You seem to have found us a a sweet balance of, like, getting those marathons in, which make you more efficient for Comrades, and Comrades makes you stronger for your next marathon.

看来这个马拉松和康德斯交替的循环确实奏效了。

So it seems like this cycle is working of marathon comrades.

马拉松和康德斯。

Marathon comrades.

是的。

Yeah.

因为

Because

没错。

you Absolutely.

2011年是你第一次跑马拉松吧？那时候跑了多久？两小时三十分钟，还是三小时三十分钟？

In 2011 was your first marathon, did you run, like, 02:30 or 03:30?

三小时三十分钟。

03:30.

那是在纽约跑的，所以就是三小时三十分钟。

That was in New York, so that was three thirty.

是的。

Yeah.

你第一次跑马拉松，现在居然跑到了两小时二十五分？

Your first marathon, and now you're down to two twenty five?

这时间缩短得也太惊人了。

That's some serious shaving of time.

一点不差，老兄。

Spot on, man.

去年才做到的，迪娜。

And and that came last year, Deena.

就像我说的，过去四五年里，我的成绩一直在稳步提升。

Like I said, I I've I've just sort of been enjoying a a progressive improvement in the last four or five years.

我还在继续努力，希望今年在芝加哥能突破这个成绩。

So I'm still working on that, and and, hopefully, I can eclipse that in Chicago this year.

没错。

Right.

去年在黄金海岸你跑了2小时25分，我觉得芝加哥的赛道要快一点。

So Gold Coast last year, you ran two twenty five, and, I feel that Chicago is a slightly faster course.

所以。

So

是的。

Yeah.

你马上就要参加耗时不到六小时的科马斯马拉松，看来是冲着芝加哥的年龄组冠军和Abbott世界马拉松大满贯Wanda年龄组挑战赛去的。

With your brilliant sub six hour Comrades Marathon coming up, it seems like you're setting yourself up for the age group championships in Chicago, the Abbott World Marathon Majors Wanda age group challenge.

你现在排在第三名，我觉得是吧。

You are sitting in third place, I think, right now Uh-huh.

为了赢得这个年龄组的冠军头衔。

For the for that age group title.

但如果你在芝加哥跑出好成绩，就能升到那个耀眼的第一名位置。

But with a a good Chicago performance, you could move up to that that shining spot.

你和你妻子一起完成了六星马拉松的征程，2019年在伦敦那次

You and your wife did the, your six star journey together, and it was London in 2019 that

没错，完全正确。

you Absolutely.

让你拿到了第六颗星。

Got your six star.

跟我们说说那一刻的感觉吧，我真没想到那会是那样的体验。

Tell us what that moment was like because I was surprised at what that felt like.

你能描述一下吗？

Can you describe it?

你知道吗，迪娜，我和我妻子年轻时就坐下来商量过，这就是我们想做的事。

You know, Deena, again, you know, without sounding again, talking, know, my wife and I sat down as youngsters and said, this is what we like to do.

后来我们就把这事给忘了。

And then we'd forgotten about it.

我们有了两个可爱的孩子，等我快四十岁的时候，我妻子轻轻拍了拍我的肩膀。

We'd had two beautiful kids, and then my wife tapped me on the shoulder when I turned 40 or something like that.

她跟我说，该行动了。

And she said to me, it's time.

咱们得去实现那些心愿，重新把这事提上日程。

We've gotta go and you know, let's get to the bucket list, and let's get back to it.

当然，我知道我妻子了解我，只要我答应了，就一定会做到。

And, obviously, I said my wife knows when I when I commit to something.

我对她说，我要重新跑步，那就必须得去完成这件事。

I said to her, I'll only go back into running if I if I go and do this.

我看着她，又说，咱们得一起完成，因为不管做什么，咱们都是最好的搭档。

But I then looked at her, and I said to her, I love we've gotta do this together because we're a great team in everything we do.

她看着我，说来也巧。

And she looked at me, and and it's funny enough.

还有个有趣的事，我妻子叫布拉敏，她一直告诉我，她从小就有慢性哮喘，连两公里都跑不了。

And here's another interesting story is that my wife's name is Brahmin, and Brahmin always said to me, she she was a chronic asthmatic, and she couldn't run two kilometers.

我对她说，来吧，你能行的。

And and I said to her, come on.

你一定能做到。

You can do it.

我始终相信她，我们俩一起努力训练。

And I believed in her, and I you know, we worked together.

后来她陪我去了纽约，那年2011年，我参加了纽约马拉松。

So she come with me to New York, and I run that New York marathon in 2011.

我记得她当时在路边当观众，一路为我加油。

And I I remember she was a spectator watching along the way.

她其实只是看着那些普通跑者一个个冲过终点，我跑完用了三个半小时，洗完澡回来，我们俩一起看比赛录像。

And she, honestly, just from watching all the everyday people finish you know, I finished in three and a half hours, but I'd gone and showered, and we come back, and then we watch it together.

我们坐在那儿看了六七个小时，德娜，看着一批批跑者穿过中央公园冲向终点。

And we sat there for about six or seven hours, Deena, and she watched these people coming up through Central Park finishing.

她问我，我到底怎么了？

And she said, what's wrong with me?

你知道，那些都是普通人。

You know, there's everyday people.

有盲人，

There's people who are blind.

有各种体型、各种肤色的人。

There's people who are all different shapes and sizes and colors.

她说，我也可以做到。

And she says, I can do this.

她因此受到了鼓舞。

And she got inspired.

于是，我们自然就开始一起训练了。

And so, obviously, we started working together.

我对她说，加油。

And I said to her, come on.

我们踏上了这段旅程。

We'll get on this journey.

我们第一次一起参加的是几年后的芝加哥马拉松。

And our first one together was Chicago a few years later.

我们完成了那次比赛，那是她人生的第二场马拉松，但却是第一场正式的大型赛事。

And we did that, and she completed, which was a second marathon at the time, but the first major one.

从那以后，我们彻底爱上了这项运动。

And so, obviously, from there, we were hooked.

我们上瘾了。

We were addicted.

之后每年我们都尝试跑一场，一路跑下去，不断前进。

And we we attempted one each year, and and we went and we moved on.

如果你见过我妻子迪娜，你可能会觉得，嗯，我这个人挺安静的。

And, obviously, if you meet my wife, Deena, she's you think, you know, I'm fairly quiet.

我妻子呢，是个社交达人。

My wife is she's a social butterfly.

她特别能说。

She can talk.

我老提醒她，参加世界六大马拉松的时候，她一路上跟谁都聊，还不断给其他人加油。

And then I keep telling her because during the the the World Majors Brahmin would she'd talk along the way to everyone, and she's encouraging everyone.

我说，咱们得把这事儿坚持完。

And, you know, I said, we gotta finish this thing.

说来话短，我们2018年回到纽约，一起完成了她的第一个，我的第二个大满贯。

And, you know, we got through there to cut a long story short, and it was we got back to New York in 2018 and obviously did that together where she completed her first one, my second one.

接着我们就奔向第五个大满贯，知道下一站是伦敦。

And then we were on to our fifth star, and we knew that London was the next one coming the following.

才过了几个月，四月份就完成了。

It was only a few months later in April, and we finished that.

我个人完赛的时候，特别自豪。

And I remember on a personal level, I finished it, and and I was so obviously proud of that.

但我得等我老婆，她大概五小时多一点才到，她一冲线，我们俩就像孩子一样，哭得稀里哗啦。

But I waited for my wife to finish in about five hours some change, And she came through, and we both just oh, we were we cried like kids like kids.

我们当时特别激动，因为这个梦想，说白了，以前就只是我们偶尔聊聊的事儿。

We were we were so emotional because, again, this dream was was absolutely, at the time, was just something we spoke about.

但你瞧，就像我说的，她在学校领奖的时候，我妹妹帮着把所有奖牌都收集起来，给孩子们看，鼓励他们说：这事真能做成。

But when, you know, like I said, at school, when she was presented a medal, my sister had helped and basically put all these medals together and and showed kids and inspired kids and said, can do it.

只要我们能做到，任何人都能做到。

If we can do it, anyone can do it.

作为一对夫妻，我们特别幸运，迪娜，因为咱们是第二个达成这个成就的澳大利亚夫妇，意义真的不一样。

And so as a couple, we were so privileged, Deena, because we were the second Australian couple to achieve it, and it meant so much.

直到今天，回想起来，最让我自豪的，就是看着我妻子，想到她为了完成一公里，究竟付出了多少努力。

And even today, you know, it's it's honestly one of the proudest things, you know, when I look back at my wife, you know, and the struggle she'd been through just to sit on one kilometer.

我为她感到无比骄傲，我也深爱着她，因为她证明了，只要肯坚持，谁都能做到。

I'm so proud of her, and and I love her so much because it just proves that anyone can do it.

这一路走来，最重要的就是点燃别人的希望，让这份热情传递下去。

And and along the way, it's just about inspiring others and catching fire.

我特别欣赏世界大满贯赛事，把这一切都串联在了一起。

And I love what the world majors have done with putting it all together.

你知道吧？

You know?

正如我所说，这段旅程真的太不可思议了。

And and that's what's that journey has just been absolutely phenomenal.

对不起，迪娜，我老是这么说。

And like I said sorry, Deena.

我总忍不住提起这事。

I keep saying it.

实现梦想就是这么回事——只要你敢想，就没什么做不到的。

Living the dream is just it's something that's that's something that just you you can do anything.

拿到奖牌的那一刻，你简直觉得自己无所不能。

You feel like superhuman after getting that medal.

你知道吧？

You know?

世界大师们想出的这个小理念，我特别感激。

It's a it's a special little concept that that that world majors have come up for which I'm so grateful too.

是的。

Yeah.

而且你能和妻子一起经历这段旅程，从你们在芝加哥一起跑的第一场马拉松，到最终在伦敦收官，这让一切变得更加特别。

And the fact that you could share that journey with your wife made it extra special from that first marathon you ran together in Chicago to to culminating in London.

我得问一下，你和你妻子对这个问题的答案可能不一样。

I have to ask, and maybe you and your wife would have a different a different answer for this.

别不好意思说，告诉我你最喜欢哪一场，因为每个人都不一样。

And don't be timid in telling us which is your favorite because everybody has a different one.

这不是说哪一场就一定是最棒的。

It's not like there's a win winner's circle over here.

你有没有特别偏爱的那场赛事？

Do you have a a one where which one of those races was your favorite?

好的。

Okay.

对我来说，毫无疑问，波士顿马拉松是我最喜欢的。

For me, hands down, Boston Marathon is is my favorite.

对我来说，就是这样。

That's that's for me.

不只是观众的热情，也不只是你说的那些。

Not just the energy of the crowd, not just you know?

就是赛道本身。

It's it's just just the track.

我就是特别喜欢这条赛道。

I just love the track.

它有我从不畏惧的坡度。

Like, it's got heels that I'm not afraid of.

它简直就是我钟爱的一切。

It just just was everything that I love.

我只跑过一次，当时就对自己说，我得再回去，认真跑一次波士顿。

I've only done one, and said to myself, I need to go back and have a real crack at Boston.

我总觉得还有没完成的心愿。

I I still feel I have unfinished business.

我特别喜欢这一点。

I love that.

我就爱这种氛围。

I just love the energy.

其次，我可以百分百肯定地说，我妻子特别喜欢纽约的马拉松。

Secondly, and I can answer for my wife 100% hand on heart, she loves New York City math.

她喜欢纽约的原因就是第一大道。

And the reason why she loves New York is because of 1st Avenue.

她早就听说过第一大道，可一到那儿就彻底被吸引住了。

She keeps she's heard about 1st Avenue, but she's she just she went off.

她说她在第一大道上耽搁得太久，因为太享受和人群互动的感觉了。

She said she actually took too much time in 1st Avenue because she was playing up with the crowds.

过了桥之后她一路跑下来，她说自己真想再回去一次。

And, you know, she came off that bridge, she come down, and she just she she says she wants to go back.

所以她打算再回去跑一趟。

So she wants to go back there.

所以

So

或者她干脆就在第一大道坐上一小时，好好感受一下氛围。

Or maybe she'll just maybe she'll just sit on 1st Avenue for for an hour soaking it all in.

站在那儿，真的有种明星的感觉。

You really do feel like a rock star right there.

人潮

The crowds

简直太惊人了。

are unbelievable.

这太有意思了。

Oh, that's so fun.

波士顿和纽约，你们两个都去过。

So Boston and New York for for both of you.

你们对即将参加的芝加哥马拉松有什么目标吗？

Do you have a goal for your upcoming Chicago marathon?

显然，跑完康德斯之后你可以稍微休息一下，但你对芝加哥马拉松的目标是什么？

Obviously, you get to kick your feet up after Comrades for a little bit, but what's your goal for Chicago?

当然了。

Absolutely.

我不怕直说，我的目标就是打破个人最好成绩，这对我来说是最重要的。

And I'm not afraid to say, you know, a personal best nothing but a personal best is is on a personal level what I'm after.

我相信自己有能力突破2小时24分的界限。

I believe I'm confident that I can break the two twenty four barrier.

我现在由一位叫戴夫·亚当斯的教练指导。

So I've obviously I'm being coached now by a gentleman named Dave Adams.

等我从康德斯赛事中恢复过来，接下来就打算进入为期12周的专项训练。

So, obviously, once I'm rested and recovered from Comrades, that's the plan is to go into a 12 program.

德娜，我很有信心，凭借为康德斯马拉松做的训练基础，我一定能达成这个目标。

And I I'm confident, Deena, I'll I'll I could put some I'm confident that I can achieve that and work specifically towards that goal with the training block that I've put in for this Comrades Marathon.

韦恩·斯皮斯越老越厉害。

Wayne Spies getting better with age.

我太喜欢了。

I love that.

我特别期待在远处为你加油。

I am so excited to be cheering from a distance.

你已经成了我的粉丝。

You have gained a fan in me.

我会全程关注你，尤其在比赛后三分之一、大家都需要能量的时候，我的支持会特别为你而存在。

I will be watching every step of the way, sending you that energy in that last third of the race when everyone seems to need it, but mine will be focused on you.

希望你也能收获很多来自我们听众的支持。

And, hopefully, you'll have a a lot of fans, from our listeners as well.

我也会在芝加哥为你加油，说不定赛后咱们还能一起吃块披萨庆祝一下。

I'll also be cheering for you in Chicago, and maybe we'll have a celebratory slice of pizza afterwards.

听起来不错，迪娜。

Sounds good, Deena.

一言为定。

You're on.