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接下来是《Mind the Game》这一期的内容。
Coming up on this episode of Mind the Game.
杰伦，首先对我来说，他最突出的特点就是强烈的求胜欲望。
Jalen just he he's first of all, the number one characteristic for me is his will to win.
这根本不是抛投。
It's almost not a floater
没错。
Right.
也不是上篮，也不是跑投，就是纯粹的一记投篮。
Not a layup, not a runner, but it's just like a shot
对。
Yeah.
卡特对位文班亚马。
Cat Wemby matchup.
卡特特别喜欢防文班亚马。
Cat likes guarding Wemby.
是的。
Yeah.
你知道，他力量十足，脚程也快，确实很难对付。
You know, he has the strength and I think the foot speed to kinda make it difficult.
对。
Yeah.
Wemby，那他们现在是怎么调动他的？
Wemby, so how did they now move Wemby around?
让他在底线接球，让他在低位卡位，让他动起来。
Get him on the baseline, get him on the block, get him to on the move.
圣安东尼奥那支球队，没人有个人主义。
San Antonio, they're they're a team that doesn't have ego.
他们每个人都有自己对球队贡献的理解。
They have their personal, you know, beliefs on what they can bring to the table.
我们每个人都是如此。
We all do.
我们每个人都是竞争者。
We're all competitors.
但那支队伍真是了不起。
But that team is is eagles.
看到乔什逐渐成长为现在的样子，真的很有看点。
It's big time to see, Josh kinda grow into, you know, the player that he's in.
他经常提起亚历克斯·卡鲁索。
He always talked about Alex Caruso a lot.
有些球员，不管加入哪支球队，都能立刻带来胜利，因为他们总能做出关键的发挥。
It's it's those certain guys that you can plug into any franchise, any team, and they're gonna win because those guys just make winning plays.
你知道吗，以赛亚，还有哪些人呢，
You know, Isaiah, what other, you know,
还有哪些身材矮小的控卫带领球队拿过冠军？
you know, what other small guards have led their team to titles?
这得说，
It's What,
是要在那里面赢吗？
was about to win in it?
是的。
Yeah.
在那里面赢？
To win in it?
是的。
Yeah.
有段时间休息了？
Got some
休息一段时间？
time away?
是的，休息了一阵子。
Yeah, have some
休息了一段时间。
time away.
我刚从一次家庭度假回来。
I'm just getting back from a family vacation.
真不错。
Nice.
带家人去了意大利和法国。
Took the family over to Italy and France.
我们从摩纳哥开始，沿着海岸一路南下，最后在卡普里结束。
We started in Monaco and then took the coast all the way down and finished in Capri.
哦，说实话，这次旅行特别棒。
Oh, So, I mean, it was a great trip.
全家都去了，孩子、老婆，还有我妈妈。
Whole family, kids, wife, my mom.
带了几个孩子，还有一起的几个朋友，所以人挺多的。
Had a couple of kids, have some of their friends with us, so.
你们还带了随行人员？
You had crew?
是的，我们带了团队。
Yeah, we had a crew.
我们带了团队。
We had a crew.
不过玩得挺开心的。
Was a good time, though.
特别开心。
Great time.
好的。
All right.
有点时差。
A little jet lag.
不过我们已经回来了。
But we back, man.
别光顾着玩游戏。
Mind the game.
我们回来了。
We're back.
比赛来了。
The game.
我们回来了。
We're back.
是
Are
走吧。
Let's go.
有个问题想问你。
Question for you, man.
你知道吗，你做这个直播工作已经一年了。
You know, this is one year into you doing this whole broadcasting thing.
你觉得这一年怎么样？
You know, how, how has that been?
这和你当初想的一样吗？
Is it everything you thought it would be?
说说看，整个过程是怎样的？
Is it, you know, kind of take us through it.
是的。
Yeah.
说说看，整个过程是怎样的？
Take us through it.
对。
Yeah.
感觉还不错。
It's been good.
说起来，还得谢谢你。
I mean, thanks to you.
我一开始有点优势，做起来也更顺手了，至于在亚马逊Prime上的表现，真的特别棒。
I got a little bit of a head start doing this, feeling a little more comfortable on The Amazon Prime stuff has just been amazing though.
他们确实在这上面投入了不少。
You know, they've really invested in it.
很棒。
Great
团队很棒，摄像组和幕后人员都特别专业。
team, great crew, all on camera, off camera.
所以这部分感觉就像是
So that part of it's been like
一记本垒打。
a home run.
上面那些人也很厉害，懂行得很。
You got some guys up there too that's like smart, know the game as well.
UD、德克、布莱克，还有泰勒，这些人表现都特别出色。
UD, Dirk, Blake, like, guys do a You great job up know, Taylor, you know, those y'all, some pretty good casts.
谢谢啊。
Mean Thanks.
我个人其实不太看赛前或赛后节目，你知道我的性格，我对这些东西一向不太感兴趣。
I don't, me personally, I don't watch a lot of, like, pregame shows, postgame shows, because just, you know me, you already know how I am about that shit.
因为他们根本没怎么聊比赛本身。
Because they don't speak about the game enough.
对比赛的分析太少了，根本没深入讲清楚比赛的细节，也没说清楚作为球迷，我们到底该从比赛中看懂什么。
There's not enough knowledge about the game, breaking down the game, the end, the, you know, what it means as a fan to actually learn about the game or what, about what we're watching, you know.
有你们在台上解说，真的让人耳目一新。
And it's been a breath of fresh air having you guys up there.
说实话，我都不记得是哪一场了。
You know, I think, I don't know what game that was.
大概是火箭系列赛第一场或者第二场之后。
It was maybe after game one or two in the Houston series.
那场之后我特意上节目找你们聊，因为我清楚自己要跟谁说话，能跟你们聊聊比赛，真的特别舒服，能真正说说我们为什么爱这项运动，为什么一直这么着迷。
I actually got on to talk to you guys after that game, and, I did it because I knew who I was about to be So, talking to, you know, it was a breath of fresh air to get on there and talk to you guys about the game and kind of like, you know, just really speak about the, the nuances of why we all fell in love with the sport and why we continue to fall in love with the game.
真的非常感谢你们。
Big shout out to you guys, for sure.
谢谢。
Thank you.
我们很感谢你愿意来参加。
Well, we appreciate you coming on.
希望这不是你第一次，也不会是最后一次。
We hope it's not the first and last.
你说得对，我得特别感谢那些一直支持我们的人。
But, you you hit it, like, I mean, I wanna give a major shout out to, like, the people that support us.
是的。
Yeah.
他们做得真的非常出色。
They do an incredible job.
就像你刚才说的，和德克、布莱克，还有UD和泰勒坐在一起，
And then, like you said, man, like to sit
泰勒是控球后卫。
there with Dirk and Blake, UD, and Taylor's like the point guard.
她真的特别有天赋，可以说，要不是她，我们第一年根本没法顺利推进。
Like she really is such a, I mean, she's so talented at what she She keeps us on track for our first year.
她让我们的一切都进行得特别顺畅。
She made it seamless for us.
这一切真是太棒了。
It's been amazing.
谢谢你提到内容的事，我们本来就想进来，努力展现这些世界顶级球员的精彩之处。
And I think, thank you for saying that about the content, like we wanted to come in and try to add and elevate, these are best players in the world.
没错，没错。
Right, right.
我们想突出他们真正做了些什么。
You know, wanna highlight what they're doing.
如果他们表现不好或者哪里出问题，我们当然得指出来，但事实是，他们依然是世界上最好的球员，我们想让观众明白，为什么在这个层级打球如此艰难。
We have to call them out if it's not right or they're not playing well or, But the reality is they're still the best players in the world and we wanna show the fans why and what makes it so difficult to play at this level.
所以我们想通过这个节目，给普通球迷、甚至深度球迷一个机会，从球员和教练的视角，更深入地了解比赛背后到底发生了什么，为什么球员们要这么做，以及为什么这比赛如此不易。
So that was fun for us to try to maybe give fans, casual fans, even fans that are deeper into the game like an opportunity to see it from a player's perspective, coaching perspective, like what's happening out there on a slightly deeper level, they have a little bit of either access into the game or an understanding of why they're doing what they do or what makes it so hard.
是的，没错。
Yeah, yeah.
那真有意思。
That was fun.
那真有意思。
That was fun.
我也挺喜欢那个球场的。
I also like the court, too.
球场的分析部分。
The court breakdown.
球场上得拆解战术，分析那些球员做的具体动作。
The court was You have to break down plays, break down specific moves that certain guys made.
我觉得这部分也很棒。
Know, I thought that was pretty cool, too.
球场的设计特别有沉浸感。
The court was super, like, immersive.
是的。
Yeah.
就好像你身处在一款电子游戏里一样。
Like, you felt like it was in a video game.
毕竟这些动作都是真人做的，我觉得亚马逊在这方面做得特别棒，把这种感觉很好地捕捉到了。
Right, for You know, played by live guys, which So you guys that, I think that was a good piece that Amazon did a great job of capturing that too.
是的。
Yeah.
而且我觉得，我们还没能完全发挥出球场的潜力。
And I think, like, we haven't even fully been able to, like, exploit the court.
对，对，没错。
Right, right, right.
我们还在不断学习中。
We're still learning.
是的。
Yeah.
你这话是什么意思？
In what sense, what you mean?
你可以在球场上播放视频。
So, like, you can play video on the court.
你可以放些什么？
You can put What?
你可以用追踪器来记录球员的移动轨迹。
You can have trackers where you have the players moving.
还可以在球场上显示动态图形。
You could put graphics on the court.
让球场变得互动起来。
So being interactive.
比如说，
So, for example,
我们还没能真正
we haven't, like, been able to
只要多练几次，理论上我们完全可以利用球场，直接在iPad上画出战术布局。
do it enough, but we could theoretically use the court, but draw a play on a, on an iPad.
然后画面就能立刻投射到球场上。
And then it goes right to the court.
但要把所有动态效果都做到位，
But getting all the dynamics of
让它达到电视播出的标准，
that down to where like it's TV ready,
你，
you
这确实需要一点时间。
know, it just takes a little bit of time.
是的，毫无疑问。
Yeah, for sure.
这项技术的能力和功能简直太惊人了。
The ability, the functionality of that thing is incredible.
所以希望我们能用它作为工具，帮你们也更好地享受这个过程。
So hopefully we can use it as a tool to help you guys also enjoy it.
太棒了。
That's awesome.
真的很不错。
Pretty cool.
恭喜你们完成第一年。
Well, congrats on year one.
谢谢。
Thank you.
我特别期待第二年。
I'm looking forward to year two.
第二年马上就要开始了。
Year two coming up on deck.
好，为这个干杯。
Yeah, cheers to that.
干杯。
Cheers.
为这个干杯。
Cheers to
对。
that.
是的。
Yeah.
不错。
Nice.
这巴罗洛真棒。
Nice Barolo.
对，我刚从意大利回来。
Yeah, I'm fresh from Italy.
继续吧。
Just keep it going.
挺好的。
It going.
对吧？
Right?
从巴罗洛到勃艮第。
From Barolos to Burgundy.
是啊，没错。
Yeah, right.
所以。
So
最近NBA接连失去了里克·阿德尔曼和杰森·柯林斯，我们这里度过了很多难过的日子。
we've had some really, really sad days here at the NBA recently losing Rick Adelman, Jason Collins,
还有布兰登·克拉克。
Brandon Clarke.
是的，确实。
Yeah, yeah.
说实话，我很想听听你的看法。
You know, I'd love to hear from you.
我们都曾和里克的球队交过手，他真是个特别棒的人。
Know we've both played against Rick's teams and a great human being.
还有彼得·科里尔那套肘部进攻战术，可以说是那个时代最赏心悦目的打法之一。
And that, that elbow action offense with Pete Corril was one of the, I think the most beautiful teams of that era.
所以，向他的家人致敬，也致敬他在篮球界做过的所有了不起的事。
So obviously, shouts to his family and all the incredible stuff he did in the game.
是啊，说到底，我们彼此之间都是竞争对手。
Yeah, I mean, obviously, at the end the day, I mean, we we all compete against one another.
毕竟一共有三十支球队。
I mean, there's 30 teams.
我们都在为同一个目标拼搏。
We all compete for one common goal.
不管是赢下一场球，还是争冠，怎么看待一个赛季、一段职业生涯，归根结底都是为了这个。
That's to win that game, win a championship, whatever the case may be, however you kind of break down the course of a season, your career.
但更重要的是，我们就像一家人。
But more importantly, like, we're brotherhood.
从工作人员、训练团队，到协助教练和球员的每一个人，我们都是一体的。
We're all a brotherhood from, you know, the, the staff, the training staff, to everybody that's helping the coaches, the players, everything.
大家真的都像兄弟一样，你知道吧？
We're all, it's, it's all a brotherhood, you know?
当兄弟圈里有人离开时，那种感觉真的特别真切，对吧？
And, you know, when you lose someone in a fraternity, you know, it hits home, you know?
几年前跟布兰登·克拉克打球时，我们跟孟菲斯那支队伍打得很激烈，当时我们失去了一位关键球员，你知道的。
And, you know, to be in a playoff series versus Brandon Clarke a couple years back when, you know, we had a big time player off series versus Memphis, you know Uh-huh.
就是那支队伍。
You know, with that team.
是的。
Yeah.
失去他，确实带来了巨大的震动。
To to to lose him, obviously, it's it's a lot of shock waves.
我在湖人队有很多队友以前和他一起打过球，比如马库斯·斯马特、杰克·拉拉维亚。
I got a lot of teammates on the Lakers that was actually teammates with him, Marcus Smart, Jake Laravia.
瑞伊当年和他是大学队友。
Rui was a college teammate of his.
卢克，你知道的，他也是卢克在尼克斯队的队友，所以我能想象这对他们来说一定特别难受。
Luke, you know, Luke Knicks a teammate of his, so I know that kind of probably hit home even more for them.
所以，这真的让人特别痛心。
So that that that was, you know, very devastating.
就像你说的，我们的哀悼不仅献给BC，也献给杰森·科尔林斯，他也是我职业生涯早期的对手。
And and like you said, our condolences goes out to not only BC, but also, you know, Jason Collins as well, losing him, competed against him as well, you know, earlier in my, in my career.
是的。
Yeah.
还有，就像你提到的，打过交道的里克·阿德尔曼。
You know, and also, you know, just playing against, obviously, like you said, Rick Adelman.
我认识一位特别要好的朋友，也是我最好的朋友之一，就是凯文·乐福。
I saw my, one of my dear friends, one of my best friends, you know, the NBA is Kevin Love.
K. Love昨天或者前天发了一条动态，说他对这个人和他家人的意义有多重大。
And K Love put a, put a post out, I think, yesterday or the day before about how much he meant to him, you know, and his family as well.
所以你看，这其实是一个紧密的大家庭。
So, you know, it's, it's a big fraternity.
失去像这样对联盟有重要影响的人，能和他们打球、见面、聊天，这些经历真的从来都不该被当作理所当然。
And to, to, lose people like, you know, people who've meant something to our league, and to be able to compete versus them or see them and have conversations with them, is always, something you kinda just you don't take it for granted.
就像你说的，我们更应该发自内心地尊重他们，也向他们的家人表达最深的慰问，对吧？
Like you said, you give so much more even in-depth, you know, respect and, and, and, you know, words to, to their families, you know?
是的，因为他们失去的都是了不起的人。
Yeah, because they've lost, you know, great, great people.
这话说到点上了。
Those are good words.
这种兄弟情谊，这种家人般的联结，确实会延伸到他们的家人身上。
And, the brotherhood, the fraternity, you know, fam, extends to families, Yeah.
家人也要承受这一切，因为他们陪着我们走这条路，支持着我们，还得和球迷、球队、队友们分享这些球员。
Who have to experience it because we take them on this journey the way they support us and they have to share these players with the fans, airplanes, organizations, teammates.
快速提一下里克·阿德尔曼，战术水平没得说；还有杰森·科尔林斯，北美第一位公开出柜的篮球运动员和职业运动员，真是我们社区了不起的领袖和代言人。
Quickly, Rick Adelman, obviously terrific X's and O's, Jason Collins, first openly gay basketball player and professional athlete in North America, you know, tremendous, you know, leadership strength spokesperson for our community.
还有布兰登，太年轻了，他们一个个都太年轻了，但关于布兰登，我听说的每一件事都让人敬佩。
And Brandon, know, just too young, all of them too But Brandon just everything I've ever heard about him.
他是个特别棒的小伙子，我有幸见过他一面。
He's an awesome kid, so got to meet him a little bit.
他出生在温哥华，就是我老家那边，加拿大西海岸。
A kid who was born in Vancouver, you know, the West Coast where I'm from, Canada.
后来在菲尼克斯长大，而那里正是我打球的地方，这些事都特别触动我。谢谢你这么说，也感谢这个社区，还有所有会深深怀念他们的人。
Grew up in Phoenix where I played, and so all these hit home for me, and yeah, thanks for those words and for the community and all the people that will miss them dearly.
是的，完全没错。
Yeah, absolutely.
他们一定会被深深怀念。
They will be missed.
当然，他们一定会被深深怀念。
Absolutely, they'll be missed for sure.
是的。
Yeah.
那咱们聊聊这场NBA总决赛吧。
Well, let's jump to these NBA Finals.
现在录制的时候是第二场比赛的星期五。
At the time of recording, this is Friday of game two.
对。
Yeah.
我们已经看了第一场。
But we saw game one.
你有看吗？
Did you get a chance to watch it
全看了。
all?
我没看。
I did not.
我没看成，比赛凌晨两点三十才开播。
I did not get a chance to It was, it came on at 02:30 in the morning.
是啊，你差不多也该睡了。
Yeah, you're about.
我当时已经睡得死死的。
And, I, I was, I was knocked out.
不过我后来醒了一次，因为我正赶去机场。
But I did wake up to see because on my way, I was on my way to the airport, actually.
我赶去机场的路上，看到了杰伦·布伦森那几记关键球，第四节他的投篮太准了，难怪他们能打进总决赛。
So I was starting to make my way to the airport, and I did see a lot of the Jalen Brunson big time shots The shot making ability that he had in that fourth quarter was, I mean, there's a reason why they're in the, they're in the finals.
是的。
Yeah.
他是球队的核心，投篮能力太强了，那些高难度进球——比如面对卡斯尔长臂封盖的左手上篮，还有高弧线抛投，接着又撕开防守直插篮下。
Mean, he's the, he's the head of the snake for their team, and his shot making ability, tough shots, tough shots, made the, you know, the, the left hand layup over top of Castle, long arm, floater off the top, split the defense on the next one, was able to get to the hole again.
我记得他好像抢下进攻篮板后，还在圣安东尼奥那边投进了一个三分。
You know, I think after maybe an offensive rebound, he had the three by the San Antonio Yeah.
底角三分球。
Corner three.
末节关键三分。
The quarter Big three.
你知道为什么圣安东尼奥想反扑吧。
You know why San Antonio was trying to make a run.
然后就是那记致命一击。
And then obviously the kind of the dagger.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
The Yep.
他后撤步再突进，跳得特别高，投出一记超难的投篮。
Playing off Step back, step through high, really high on Tough shot.
对。
Yeah.
瓦塞o这个球，真是难打。
On Vaseo, that's a tough shot.
你只能脱帽致敬。
And you just tip your, you tip your hat.
他可是全明星级别的大牌球员，这你懂的，确实厉害。
Obviously, he's a, he's a all star, big time player, you know, so, yeah.
没错。
And, Yeah.
我听说圣安东尼奥这边失误特别多。
I think the one thing that I heard about the San Antonio side, it was a lot of, a lot of turnovers.
啊。
A
很多无谓的失误，频频丢球。
lot of unforced turnovers, a lot of turnovers.
看起来他们打得有点松散，好像节奏太快了。
Looked like they played a little sloppy, like they was playing a little fast is what I heard.
但你跟纽约队打的时候可不能这么打。
And you can't do that versus, versus, versus New York.
我的意思是，他们是咱们最近见过状态最火热的球队。
I mean, they're the hottest team that we've seen in a long time.
现在到底是多少场了？
I mean, what is it now?
十一连胜？
11 games in a row?
是啊，十一场或者十二场，差不多吧。
Yeah, 11 or 12, something like that.
他们是不是从亚特兰大系列赛第三场之后就没输过？
Think they haven't lost since what was game three of the Atlanta series?
没错。
Right.
对。
Yeah.
尽管你很尊重尼克斯队，但我觉得没人会预料到他们在季后赛里能这样。
And as much as you respect the Knicks, I don't think going into the playoffs, anyone Right.
我的意思是，很多人选他们晋级东部，可他们之前打得并不好。
I mean, a lot of people pick them in the East, but they weren't playing great.
他们在首轮一度以1比2落后，
They go down two-one in the first round,
然后
and then
之后就一路全胜。
they run the table
至于
as far
谁都没料到他们会这样逆转。
as no one saw that coming.
所以，现在的尼克斯队和之前完全不一样了。
So for context, like a different New York Knicks team now.
确实如此。
It absolutely is.
没错。
Right.
确实如此。
It absolutely is.
状态最好的时候，就是现在。
And the best time to get hot is Right.
季后赛刚开始的时候。
When the playoffs Yeah.
他们找到了节奏，表现出来了。
I mean, and they've caught a rhythm, and they're showing it.
我们总在谈他们的进攻，但防守也同样关键。
Offense, we talk a lot about their offense, it's the defense too.
他们的防守反而更出色了，而且现在他们以一比零领先。
I mean, is showing up even more for them, and I mean, they're up one-zero right
现在。
now.
我觉得防守这波表现特别关键。
I thought that was big, the defense.
他们投进了不少三分，命中率也很高，整体节奏找得很顺。
Clearly, they've made a lot of threes and made a lot of shots and found a nice rhythm.
凯特在进攻端是核心，但防守端的默契和感觉也特别好。
Cat being a hub offensively, but their rhythm and the feeling defensively has been great.
凯特的防守进步很明显。
Cat's been a better defender.
他们对杰伦·布伦森的防守做得更好了，不再轻易被换防打穿。
They've done a much better job of not giving into switches with Jalen Brunson.
提前补防再迅速回位，形成包夹，给他制造回防的时间。
Showing and getting back, kind of showing a crowd, giving him time to get back.
他们在防守端的整体节奏简直无可挑剔。
So their rhythm defensively has been outstanding.
他们有布里奇斯、OG、哈特这些关键球员，阵容很完整
Know, have the pieces like bridges and OG and Hart and with
卡特的防守表现不错
Cat defenses.
法明在替补席上发挥得很出色
Famine is playing well off the bench.
迪乌斯在替补席上也打得很好
Know, Deuce is playing well off the bench.
米切尔和罗宾逊的作用很明显，他们多抢了几个进攻篮板，还频频封盖对手的投篮
Obviously, you know what you're get out of Mitchell, Robinson giving him extra possessions and, you know, changing shots.
现在他们队里，每个上场的球员都很关键，尤其是乔什·哈特，是个不确定因素
You know, their team right now, everyone who's coming in, you know, you got the wild card in Josh Hart.
哈特确实像个变数
He's like a wild card.
你可以随时派他上场，只要
You can play him whenever you- You
跟他一起打过球。
played with him.
是的，他一直都在进步，越打越好。
Yeah, played, you know, and he's continued to get better and better.
他年轻的时候我就跟他在一起了。
You know, I was with him when he was young.
我当年带过那支青年队，有他、BI、朗佐、卡鲁索，还有祖巴茨，都是那批年轻人。
I had the, the Young Lakes show, with him and BI and, and, and Lonzo and Caruso and all that, you know, Zubac, I had the young guys, you know.
你看看乔什·哈特，他一直在进步，现在真是个靠谱的球队核心了。
And, you know, you just see Josh Hart, you know, continue to get better and Be hell a team now.
我知道。
I know.
现在这支队伍确实很有实力。
That'd be a a team right now for sure.
天哪。
Oh my goodness.
你就能看到乔什·哈特一直在不断进步，越变越好。
But you just see Josh Hart just continue to get better and better and better.
他是我们联盟里少数几个不靠得分也能产生影响的球员。
And he's one of those few guys in our league that makes an impact, and it doesn't have to always be scoring.
是的。
Yeah.
就像德雷蒙德·格林那样，你可能只看到他拿了八分，但其实他抢了十二个篮板。
It's, it's the, the Draymond Green role where, you know, he gets you eight points, but it's 12 rebounds.
对。
Yeah.
还有七次助攻。
It's seven assists.
他还会拼命去拼那些数据表上看不到的球，比如抢地板球什么的。
It's diving for losing some of the stuff that don't show up in the in the box scores, you know.
就是这种不服输的劲头。
It's that competitive will, you know.
如果你轻视他，他照样能投进球，那种从底线到底线、从左到右的突破。
And if you disrespect him, he can obviously make shots as well, you know, that coast to coast, you know, left to right.
没错。
Yeah.
右手终结。
Right hand finish.
看到乔什一步步成长为现在的样子，真的很有分量。
So, you know, it's it's it's big time to see, Josh kinda grow into, you know, the player that he's in.
他就是那种人，就像你说的，我们以前总聊亚历克斯·卡鲁索。
And he's he's a one of those guys, like you said, we we we always talked about Alex Caruso a lot.
就是这种球员，不管放到哪支球队，都能立刻带来赢球的气质，因为他们总能做出关键的打球选择。
It's it's those certain guys that you can plug into any franchise, any team, and they're gonna win because those guys just make winning plays.
赢家。
Winners.
当然。
Yep.
会做关键球的人，就是赢家。
Winning plays, winners.
我觉得乔什拿了十五个篮板，六个助攻。
I think Josh, I think 15 rebounds, six assists.
那场一战打得真糟。
That's the worst game one.
哦，
Oh,
天啊。
man.
我可能记错了。
I might have it wrong.
十五、十六个篮板，四次抢断，六个助攻。
Fifteen, sixteen rebounds, four steals, six assists.
但你知道，他就是那种赢家，像我们说的，我想到两点：关键时刻的抢断，关键的进攻篮板，还有及时的助攻，这些让他把全队都串联起来了。
But what you know, he's a winner like we said, two things that come to mind to me, timely, timely steal, timely offensive rebounds, know, timely assists, and that leads to him, he kinda ties the room together.
你知道，他明白对方会针对他防守，会调整对位，想利用他不是主要得分手这一点。
You know, he understands they're gonna play off me, they're gonna change the match ups on me to try to take advantage that I'm not shoot first guy.
没错，没错，没错。
Right, right, right.
他现在慢慢摸清了各种防守套路。
He's now kinda getting to the place where he's figured out all the different looks.
当他打高位挡拆当掩护人时，必须稳住掩护，逼对方换防，不能让他们轻易地绕过防守人。
When he goes into uphill DHO, when he's the screener, he's gotta hold the screen, get the switch, and get out to the or not allow them just to pass guys off down the Yeah.
他特别聪明，总能找到帮球队进攻的方法，这种能力本身就很珍贵，就像……
He's so smart and adept at kinda finding out ways that he helps the offense, and That's not hurts the a skill in itself, like
完全没错，我以前和亚历克斯·卡鲁索一起打过，他就这样。
Absolutely, and I've played with, like I said, I've played with Alex Caruso who did that.
我还和年轻的乔什·哈特搭档过，那时候他还没完全想清楚自己想成为什么样的球员，或者怎么影响比赛，但他就是拼劲十足，对吧？
I've played with a young Josh Hart who, you know, I don't think at that point he kinda knew exactly what he wanted to be, you know, or how he was gonna affect the game, but just played hard as hell, you know?
但我还和雷吉安·隆多一起打过。
But I also played with Rayjean Rondo.
是的
Yeah.
还跟雷吉安·隆多对位过。
And competed against Rayjean Rondo.
想想2008年夺冠的凯尔特人队，那时候大家都知道，对手总想退防躲着他，好让队友对雷吉安或者保罗的挡拆进行包夹。
And you think back to the o eight champion Celtics, you know, you think back with Rondo, guys or teams were trying to back up off of him, you know, so they could heavy stunt on pin downs from Ray or Paul or whatever the case may be.
多尔看透了这一点：如果你敢轻视我，那我一传球，你肯定扑向罚球线，我就直接空切篮下。
And Dole figured out a way to, if you're gonna disrespect me here, I know that once I give the ball up, you're my heavy stunt to the, to the nail, I could cut backdoor.
等我拿到球，凭我的球商和组织能力打三打二，你根本防不住。
And once I get the ball, and now my IQ and my playmaking playing a four on three game, there's nothing you can do about it.
我看到KG在篮下等着。
I see KG at the rim.
我看到邓普斯准备给珀克做掩护。
I see Dump Down for Perk.
我还看到雷、保罗、波西、埃迪·豪斯这些替补球员从底角空切出来，随时准备接球投篮。
I see Spray, you know, to the corner for Ray or Paul or James Posey or Eddie House or one of those guys coming off the bench, you know.
遇到这种球员的时候，真的很难对付。
So, it, it is a, it's a, it's a, it's a tricky thing when you're against certain guys like that.
打德雷蒙德的时候也是，拼命堵内线，逼他投篮。
And you try it with Draymond as well, where just clog up the paint, try to make him shoot.
但一旦你放掉他，斯蒂芬就开始跑动，做挡拆后接球，这时候去补德雷蒙德的人早就没影了。
But what happens when you're off of him and now Steph is running around and he's DHO ing to Steph, Now, the guy that's gone, Draymond, is nowhere near to be found.
是的。
Yeah.
斯蒂芬轻松接球就出手了。
Steph coming off clean.
所以，这些球员的独特之处就在这儿。
So, that, that makes those guys so unique.
我以前特别喜欢打这种回合。
I used to love that round, though.
我觉得他以前还经常故意冲破这种包夹。
I think he also used to stampede that stunt.
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当然了。
Oh, absolutely.
去封他的投篮。
Hit the shooter.
雷。
Ray.
没错。
Yep.
他接球后马上就能发动进攻。
He'd get it back on the move.
在。
On
内线一卡位，他就在三个人中间打球。
the The guts, then he's playing three
在两个人之间。
on two.
那真是太棒了。
That was great.
咱们先回头说说布伦森吧。
Let's go back to Brunson though for a minute.
你知道吗，以赛亚，还有哪些身材矮小的控卫带领球队拿过冠军呢？
You know, Isaiah, what other, yeah, you know, what other small guards have led their
球队夺冠？
team to titles?
这非常少见。
It's very
是为了夺冠吗？
so to winnin' it?
是的。
Yeah.
为了夺冠？
To winning it?
是的。
Yeah.
除了以赛亚，我想不出还有谁了。
I can't think of one besides Isaiah.
是的。
Yeah.
当然，我们之前也有些球员差点做到过。
You know, obviously we've had guys get close.
比如说艾伦·艾弗森，我记得他带着球队打进了总决赛，对手就是湖人队，那应该是2001年。
I mean, we've, you know, I think of Allen Iverson who got that team to the finals versus the Lakers obviously in 'one, I believe that was.
斯蒂芬？
Steph?
斯蒂芬不算小个子控卫吧？
Steph is not a small guard, though, is he?
对。
Yeah.
我是说，他确实算，但他真不算个控球后卫。
I mean, he is, but he's not ne- he's not really a point.
他更像个小前锋。
He's kind of a football.
对。
Yeah.
艾伦·艾弗森也算 combo 吧？也是那种类型？
Guess Allen Iverson is a combo too, Combo too?
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得，可能是因为斯蒂芬实在太夸张了。
I would say, I mean, maybe it's, maybe it's because Steph is just so ridiculous.
你懂的。
You know?
完全不一样。
So different.
我只是觉得他实在太特别了。
I just think he's just so different.
我不觉得斯蒂芬是控球后卫，因为他太不一样了。
I don't give Steph the point guard nod because he's so different.
比如当年的伊塞亚，大家都知道他是一号位，杜马斯是二号位。
Like, you know, with Zeke, you knew Zeke was the one, Dumars was the two.
那种感觉，大家心里都清楚。
You know, you kinda knew that.
你知道的，他负责推进球，掌控球权。
You you knew those, you know, he brought the ball up, he handled the rock.
大家都知道他是那个控球的人。
You know, you knew he was the point.
他根本不会让太多人来拿球，斯蒂芬太有冲击力了，以至于
He really wasn't gonna let too many people, other people With bring the ball Steph, he's so dynamic to the point where
他更多是无球跑动
Plays off the ball
很多。
a lot.
他其实是在无球状态下打的，你知道的。
He plays off the ball, you know.
他们当年一路赢下冠军的时候，说实话。
And when they was running, winning championships, you know, shit.
那时候是肖恩·利文斯顿在组织进攻。
Sean, you know, Livingston was bringing the ball up.
还有伊戈达拉，德雷蒙德也在控球，如果你非要按老派的说法，谁是控卫的话。
You know, Iggy was You bringing the ball know, Draymond was bringing the But ball I, I guess if you had to, you know, the old school ways of saying, Who's the point?
谁是二号位？
Who's the two?
谁是三号位？
Who's the three?
谁是小前锋？
Who's the small folk?
那你也会说斯蒂芬。
Like, then you would say Steph as well.
对。
Yeah.
所以齐克和斯蒂芬，不过除此之外，确实如此。
So Zeke and Steph, but be, but besides that Yeah.
杰伦·布伦森也在努力这么做。
And Jalen Brunson is, is trying, is trying to do that as well.
是啊，某种程度上确实得有。
Yeah, mean, have to, in some ways, have
给个矮个子球员配一套完美的阵容，你知道的，尤其是现在这种打法，进攻端空间拉得这么开。
the perfect team around a small guy, you know, especially, I think nowadays, the way the game's played, but they space the floor so much offensively.
让这么个小个子去防住对方的内线，根本不可能。
For that small guy to be able to guard his yard is impossible.
对，没错。
Yeah, yeah.
所以你需要像米哈伊尔·布里奇斯这样身材高大的球员
So you have to have these long Mikhail Bridges,
奥克·阿努诺比、乔什·哈特这些球员
Oke Anunobi, Josh Hart,
还有卡特、罗宾逊，围绕在他身边的一群人
Cat, Robinson, guys around him.
斯蒂芬在某种程度上确实有这种配置，你知道的
Steph in some ways had that, you know?
克莱是个出色的外线防守者，伊戈
Clay was a great perimeter defender, Iggy.
没错，德拉蒙德
Yep, Draymond.
德拉蒙德，当然了
Draymond, of course.
他们通常会轮换着用中锋来处理那些事情
They usually had like a revolving door of centers to do things.
但杰伦不一样，首先对我来说，他最突出的特点就是赢球的渴望——去年他是关键时刻最佳球员，今年我觉得是谢伊，去年是杰伦，这份赢球的意志力真的没得说。
But Jalen just, he's, first of all, the number one characteristic for me is, and last year was Clutch Player of the Year, this year I believe it was Shay, last year it was Jalen, is his will to win.
赢球的意志力。
His will to win.
除了投篮本事，我特别欣赏他的一点是，他太聪明了，尤其是最后一点：他总能卡在防守人前面，稳稳地停住。
And I would say one of the things that I love about him beyond the shot making is he's so smart at And the last one is how he gets in front and just stops.
稳稳地停住。
Just stops.
作为一个非NBA运动员的普通人，我觉得特别重要的是，个子小的球员往往能抓住这些小优势，甚至大优势，突然停顿，制造空间，逼得防守方去想：谁去防这个空位？
And what is important as a, you know, I can relate as non NBA athletic dude, is that a small guy, is what happens is He's so good at taking those little advantages or big advantages, stopping the game, creating a space for himself, and asking the defense, Who's gonna come guard this space?
因为一旦有人去补，我就把球传到身后。
Because if you do, I play him behind.
另外，他还是一名左撇子。
And also, I mean, and also add on to that, he's a lefty.
对，确实如此。
Mhmm.
你知道吗，这其实也会带来不一样的影响。
You know, which also changes it too, you know?
我们联盟里90%甚至95%的球员都是右撇子，对吧？
Our league is so, what, 90% of our league, 95% of our leagues are righties, you know?
而那些在联盟里打得有活力的左撇子，有时候真的很难跟上他们的节奏。
And the lefties that's dynamic in our league, it's sometimes just hard to kinda get a cadence to that.
像贾诺比斯、詹姆斯·哈登，还有现在的杰伦·布伦森。
The man who Janobis, the James Harden, the, you know, now to Jalen Brunson.
那种感觉确实不一样，真的。
Like, it's it's it's a different it's a different feel Yeah.
当一个左撇子球员朝你冲过来的时候，你知道的。
When a guy's coming at you lefty, you know?
所以我觉得，这多少也影响了防守的判断。
So that that that, I think that plays a little bit into it.
我不确定以前有没有人这么说过，可能我错了，但也说不定我没错。
I don't know if anybody's ever said that, and it, I could be wrong, but I also could be right.
我觉得，作为一个左手球员，要是这么有冲击力，真的会让防守方特别头疼。
I think being a lefty too, when you're that dynamic, it just gives, the defense and the defender a little bit more of a headache.
而且不管是个人防守还是团队协防，你到底该怎么布置才能防住他？
And it gives the defense a really, absolutely on an individual basis or team basis, but like how do you scheme for him?
只要你给他一点点空间，他就能在脸上贴着防守的情况下，直接干拔三分，逼得你不得不扑上去。
Because he's quite comfortable to shoot a hand in the face three off the dribble if you give him a little gap, so that brings you all the way up.
于是他就利用身体制造一点优势——要么挡住你，要么把你挤开，要么就用双脚站稳了出手。
So then he creates that little advantage with the body, whether he cuts you off, whether he takes you away from the space, or whether he plays off two feet.
那你能怎么办？
So what do you do?
想贴上去堵他太难了，因为他太擅长抓住那一点点空间，直接冲向篮下，从来不绕弯、不转身。
Getting in the gaps is so hard because he's so efficient at getting a slight advantage and using straight to the hoop space instead of curving one way, spinning.
他特别擅长在禁区里那短短的一段距离内解决问题，
He's very in, like, his short lane,
所以
so the
想贴住他太难了，你得付出太多防守代价。
gapping, it's really difficult to gap him because you have to over commit so much.
就像你提到的，第一场他们投进了那些三分，这给防守带来了巨大压力。当他们状态最好的时候，迈克尔·布里奇斯、OG、还有乔什·哈特，一个个都能稳稳命中。
And like you said, we said in game one, made, you mentioned in game one, they made those threes, so that even, it puts so much pressure when when they're at their best, you know, Michael Bridges is, you know, knocking down shots, OG's knocking down shots, you know, Josh Hart picks, you know, knocks in a couple.
你早就知道卡特的投射能力，所以你根本不敢贴得太紧，毕竟他投篮太准了，还有沙曼最近手感也不错。
You already know what Cat's ability to do, so you're you're not gonna be too far in on him anyways because of his ability to shoot the ball, you know, and Shaman had been shooting the ball.
我说了，德斯也一直在投，所以JC，也就是乔丹·克拉克森，一上来也能把球投进。
Like I said, Deuce been shooting the ball, so JC, Jordan Clarkson could come in and knocks him down.
就像我们前面说的，他们确实找了一帮特别合适的队友来围绕他。
So, like, his like we we mentioned earlier, they've done a great job of surrounding him with the perfect pieces.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
这让他能完全发挥出自己的最佳状态。
That allows him to be the perfect himself.
对。
Yeah.
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马刺队确实暴露出了一些年轻球员的问题，比如决策和站位。
So Spurs, I think they showed their youth a little bit, like decision making, spacing.
文班亚马太容易妥协了。
Wemby, I think, settling too often.
说实话，我觉得文班亚马的表现远低于他的正常水平。
Know, Wemby, I also thought was way under his level.
我知道他们防守文班亚马的数据看起来不错，但我觉得他防守端根本没发挥出应有的水准。
I mean, I'm sure they were they had, I think, really good odd off numbers for Wemby defensively, but I don't think he played to his level defensively.
完全同意。
Absolutely.
别忘了，他们刚打完一场七场苦战，对手还是卫冕冠军。
And we gotta think, they're coming off a grueling seven game series versus defending champions, you know?
而尼克斯队一直休息得很好，状态饱满。
And, you know, the Knicks have been, you know, resting, fresh.
有时候情况也会反过来。
And sometimes it can work both ways.
你知道，打完七场大战后，如果紧接着又打一场比赛，反而更容易找到节奏。
You know, sometimes you go into a game seven, you play not too long after that, you got more rhythm.
但据我从外面看、从别人那里听来的印象，他们就像你说的，心理上没完全跟上，状态跟之前完全不一样。
But I thought, I just, I felt like, you know, from what I've seen from the outside looking in or what I'm hearing, is that they were, like you said, mentally they were not, you know, completely there of how they've been playing.
没错。
Sure.
但比赛就是这样，一场接一场，变化很快。
But, I mean, it it it goes from one game to the next game.
比赛不是
The game is not
对。
Yeah.
系列赛不是靠一场比赛决定的。
The series is not one in one game.
没错。
Right.
你懂的。
You know?
当两支队伍实力接近的时候
And when you got two teams Even
如果感觉就是这样的话。
if it feels like it is.
对。
Right.
对。
Right.
没错，就是这样。
That, yeah, right.
正是如此。
Exactly.
输掉比赛后那种感觉，你知道吧，你会带着更清醒的心态、更专注的注意力去下一场，因为你终于意识到，之前你可能根本没把对手当回事，现在不一样了。
And, and that, that, that feeling that you have after a loss, you know, you, you know you're gonna go in with a better, a better mindset, a better focus because now you have a sense of if you didn't have a sense of fear versus your opponent, now you do.
对。
Yeah.
你知道他们真的能赢你。
You know that they can beat you.
当然。
Sure.
我也听过他们队好些话，而且确实挺有道理的。
You know, and I've, you know, I've heard a a lot of quotes, you know, from their team and and rightfully so.
他们说，我们是世界上最强的队伍。
You know, they, know, we're the best team in the world.
我听说一些年轻队员也说，我们是世界上最强的队伍。
You know, I heard some of the young guys say we're the best team in the world.
这正是我们心里想的。
That's how we feel.
我很欣赏这种自信，他们对自己能有这种底气，真的很好。
And I, and I love that, that the bravado, I love that, that, they, they feel really good about that.
但要是有人跑到你家门口给你一记重拳，你才会突然意识到：哦，原来他们不是好惹的，我得重新认识他们了。
But having someone come in and kind of punch you in the mouth, you know, on your home forward, they, now you kind of, you're like, Oh, now you're off game, my respect.
所以我觉得，圣安东尼奥可能只赢了一场，但他们才是我们在这次季后赛中一直看到的那支队伍。
So I see, I think San Antonio's gonna It might have been one game, but they'll, they'll be the team that we all, we've seen over this, over the course of this playoff seri- or playoff run.
对。
Yeah.
我觉得他们会变得更强。
Think they'll be better.
不过我想听听你的看法。
I wanna ask your opinion on this, though.
我觉得尼克斯在家休息后，第一场就打客场，其实挺有利的，因为压力没那么大。
I think the Knicks sitting at home resting, going and playing on the road in game one, I think is beneficial because there's less pressure.
对。
Yeah.
你
You
经过这么长时间的休息后回家打球，主场可不能输。
know, you play at home after that layoff, you can't lose at home.
是的。
Yeah.
你知道，一旦丢了主场优势，那就麻烦了。
You know, you lose home court.
所以我觉得，从心理上来说，这反而帮了尼克斯一把，他们可能状态有点生锈，但反而打得更放松了。
I So think in some ways, do you think psychologically it helped the Knicks in a way that they maybe they were rusty, but they go with a more of a free swing attitude.
对。
Yeah.
这样打起来，投篮反而更容易进了。
It makes shots a little easier.
是的，我觉得他们确实带着一种更放松、更放得开的心态上场的。
Yeah, I think they definitely went in with a more of, like a free swing, you know, mentality.
我之前说了，我没机会看这场比赛，但凭我打季后赛的经验，还有平时看球的了解，
Like I said, I didn't get an opportunity to catch the game, but just from my knowledge of playing in the postseason, but also just watching the game and knowing the game.
我也不确定有没有人提到过，但我觉得现在 Knicks 球迷在客场简直疯了，尤其是总决赛这种场合，
I also I don't know if anybody talked about this, but I also think that them starting on the road Knicks fans right now are so fucking insane and crazy right now for a for a Finals game
那
that
他们客场开局，心里清楚得紧，得抓住最重要的事，
them starting off on a road and just knowing that it's keeping the main thing the main thing.
最重要的事，就是把比赛打好，
The main thing of the main thing is the game.
咱们就专心打比赛，
Let's just play the game.
是的，
Yeah.
我简直不敢想，要是第一场在麦迪逊广场花园打会是什么场面。
I can only imagine if game one started at Madison Square Garden.
没错。
Right.
大家都在抢票，球迷们都想进场，全都疯了。
People asking for tickets, people wanna be in there, the fans, all that
整个城市都沸腾了。
The city's on fire.
是啊，整个城市都沸腾了。
Yeah, the city's on fire.
第三场比赛时，气氛还会更炸。
And it's gonna be on fire for game three.
这个我们都知道。
We we know that.
但我觉得，他们要是像在圣安东尼奥那样打球就好了，你知道吗？在圣安东尼奥，大家真的只关心篮球。
But I think just them having a level of being in San Antonio I mean, San Antonio, you gotta you're not we focus on basketball.
对。
Yeah.
你在圣安东尼奥根本什么都干不成。
You ain't doing shit in San Antonio.
对。
Yeah.
一点都干不成。
Nothing at all.
什么都没有。
Nothing.
是的。
Yeah.
我是说真的什么都没有。
And I mean nothing.
你没去河滨步道吗？
You know, not getting on the river walk?
绝对不去。
Hell, no.
你要是去河滨步道闲逛，小心一不小心掉水里去。
You're getting on the river walk, fuck around and fall in the water.
别去招惹那个。
You fuck with that.
但我觉得，这对他们来说其实也是个完美的安排。
But I I it was it was I think it was the perfect setup for them too.
因为尽管圣安东尼奥的观众氛围很好，但你
Because, like, even though San Antonio's a great crowd, you
还是能听见尼克斯队球迷的加油声。
could hear Knicks fans.
能听见他们在
Could hear them on
电视里为他们加油助威。
the TV, so they had support.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
但并没有压倒性优势。
But it wasn't overwhelming.
他们在客场，有点放开打的意思。
They're on the road, kind of that free swing.
他们有两次机会去赢下这一场。
They got two chances to get one.
他们拿下了一场。
They got one.
圣安东尼奥承受着很大压力。
A lot of pressure on San Antonio.
是啊，压力很大。
Oh, A lot of pressure.
圣安东尼奥压力确实大，但我觉得他们会迎难而上。
A lot of pressure on San Antonio, but I think they're going be up for it.
你知道吗，我觉得他们对俄克拉荷马城的防守特别严密。
You know, you, you, I just think they, they, they had their guards extremely up versus OKC.
对。
Mhmm.
因为他们心里有数。
Because they knew.
整个赛季他们都在和俄克拉荷马城交手。
They play OKC throughout the whole year.
常规赛就碰了四次。
They play them four times in a regular season.
他们清楚，对手是卫冕冠军。
You know, they, they know, okay, this is defending champions.
他们明白，自己必须全力以赴，一点都不能松懈。
They know we can't really afford to not be as locked in as possible.
有时候人之常情就会冒出来，尤其是对一支年轻的球队来说。
Sometimes human nature kicks in, especially with a young team.
一支年轻球队击败了卫冕冠军，虽然这是总决赛，但人之常情难免会松懈，心想：嘿，我们刚过了圣安东尼奥，连俄克拉荷马也过了。
You come off a young team beating the defending champions, and even though it's the finals, a little human nature might have kicked in like, whew, we got past San Antonio I mean, we got past OKC.
天啊，我们真的
Shit, we we're gonna we all
没错。
right.
对。
Yeah.
觉得不用那么拼，也不用那么专注了。
We ain't gotta play as hard or or we ain't gotta be as focused.
对自己状态挺有信心的。
Feeling good about themselves.
觉得挺有把握的，结果却被狠狠打了一记闷拳。
Feeling good about And I think they just got punched in the mouth.
他们一上来就直接开打，没废话，没交流，我觉得这反而会让他们在接下来的系列赛中受益。
They opened the door and there was no conversation, no talking, they got straight to it, and I think it's gonna help them going into the rest of the series.
他们找回了锐气。
They get their edge back.
对，我觉得是这样。
Yeah, I think so.
我对凯特和文班亚马的对位特别感兴趣。
I'm fascinated by this Kat Wemby matchup.
凯特上场后，打法看起来有点不一样。
It's a slightly different look with Cat shooting.
文班亚马对上谢和俄城时，防守威慑力太强了。
Wemby I just thought was so prohibitive against Shay and OKC.
对方有一堆外线防守者，而文班亚马就在篮下压着，谢只能勉强投出一些特别难的球。
They have all these perimeter defenders and Wemby was looming and Shay had to just take incredibly difficult shots.
但凯特上场后，文班亚马在第一场好像有点两头不着，没把禁区守死。
So with Cat out there though, it feels like Wemby was a little in between in game one, like he didn't lock down the paint.
挺有意思的是看他会不会调整，比如他会不会说：好吧，我得往外拉，但首先，咱们必须把禁区守住。
It'll be interesting to see if he adjusts, and he's like, I'll get back out, but I'm gonna say first and foremost, we're locking down the paint.
所以我很好奇，他在接下来几场比赛里会怎么调整，还有Cat的表现会怎样，毕竟Cat挺喜欢防Wemby的。
So I'm interested to see how he adjusts in these next few games, and then how Cat does, because Cat likes guarding Wemby.
对。
Yeah.
他有力量，我觉得脚步速度也够快，能给Wemby制造不少麻烦。
You know, has the strength and I think the foot speed to kinda make it difficult.
对。
Yeah.
对Wemby来说，他们现在该怎么调动他？
For Wemby, so how do they now move Wemby around?
让他从底线接球，到低位单打，或者让他在肘区移动起来，直接冲向篮下。
Get him on the baseline, get him on the block, get him to on the move around the elbows coming downhill.
是的，我觉得没错。
Yeah, I think so.
他们得重新找回那种打法，让他多在角落接球，队友给他做掩护，让他动起来，摆脱防守人。
I think they gotta get back to that a little bit, you know, get back to him being in the corners, them setting pin downs for him, getting him on the move, getting a body off of him.
Cat大概就像我在NCAA第一场说的那样，我觉得他很可能用身体和力量去贴防对方。
Cat is probably, like I said, at NC game one, but I I can probably guess he's probably used his body up against him, his physicality.
对。
Yep.
这种打法在季后赛，尤其是总决赛里很常见。
Which you can do a lot in the postseason, especially in the finals.
裁判不会太放任身体对抗，也不会频繁吹罚。
They're not gonna let the flails too much happen or calls gonna be happening.
当然，他们有个很棒的教练在圣安东尼奥，但我感觉他们可能会更多地让Wemby动起来。
So, you know, if you know, I think, obviously, they got a great coach that sat down here in San Antonio, but I could see them just trying to get him on the move a little bit more Mhmm.
利用他的运动能力，要么接球就投，要么直接冲击篮下。
Using his athleticism, using his ability to, you know, either come off, catch and shoot, or come off and just get downhill.
是的。
Yeah.
让后卫们多去给他做掩护，尤其是当他在肘区高位时，让后卫来设掩护，这样就不容易换防。
Having a lot of the guards be the ones who's setting those pin downs or those, you know, if he's high on the on the elbow, you know, setting having the guard set it so, you know, there's not many switches.
别跟OG那边的人对位。
You don't wanna do it with OG's guy.
跟布里奇斯那边的人对位也不太好。
You don't really wanna do it with Bridges guy.
最好避开那些人，但场上其他球员里，有些可以拿布鲁恩斯的人来打。
Wanna kinda stay away from that, but there's other guys that may be on the floor where you can Brunts guy.
比如布鲁恩斯的人，或者迪乌斯·麦克布莱德的人，还有沙默斯上场时的对位者。
Brunts guy, you know, Deuce McBride's guy, you know, Shammers guy when he comes in.
就是为了给他腾点空间，让他能稍微松快一点。
Just to get a body off of him so he can have some, a little bit of freedom.
没错，我觉得这话说得特别对，因为从原地接球或者运球后停稳，顶着韦姆比的时候，确实很容易贴得紧。
Yeah, I think that's a great point because I think from a standstill off the catcher, off the dribble, the top, you know, that's easy to stay connected with Wemby,
你知道的，
you know,
不过他臂展确实太惊人了。
although he's obviously prodigious in the length.
但他要想获得 momentum，抢到第一个身体对抗然后转身，对上 Cat 非常困难，因为 Cat 身体够强壮，脚步也够灵活。
But for him to get that momentum, to win that first bump to spin, very difficult against Cat, because Cat's strong enough and can move his feet well enough.
而且他们还很好地封住了他的转身路线，紧贴着他，让他心里犯嘀咕：我到底是该
And they also did a great job gapping his spin, staying in his lap, putting doubt in his mind where he's like, should I
放弃这次进攻，还是
get off it or
直接发起突破？
should I make a move?
到某个时刻他心想：我得创造点优势了，可实际上他反而被对方限制住了。
At some point he's like, I gotta create an advantage, but he's making an advantage.
Cat 做得不错，队友也贴得紧，随时能补防回来。
Cat doing a good job, guys in the lap that can still recover.
所以我觉得，他们之间如何不断调整应对，会是特别有意思的一个看点。
So I think that's gonna be a really, really interesting component is how they continue to adjust with one another.
我觉得他会做到的。
I think he will.
我觉得他会的。
I think he will.
而且他还很年轻。
And I mean, he's super young still.
我们之前几期节目也聊过他的成长，但生活中最好的老师其实是经验。
And obviously, we we talked a few of our episodes ago about his development and and but the best teacher in life is experience.
对。
Mhmm.
你说是吧？
You know?
所以我们想看看他在系列赛进行中会如何继续调整。
And so we wanna see how he continues to adjust as the as the series goes on.
是的。
Yeah.
当然。
For sure.
我有幸经历过一些令人难以置信的篮球时刻。
I've been lucky enough to experience some incredible moments in basketball.
现在让我最兴奋的是，让球迷以很少能接触到的方式更贴近比赛。
What really excites me now is bringing fans closer to the game in ways they rarely get access to.
这正是Airbnb体验所能实现的。
That's exactly what Airbnb experiences makes possible.
最近，我在洛杉矶举办了自己的一场Airbnb原创体验，正好是NBA总决赛第一场的时候。
Recently, I hosted my own Airbnb original experience in LA around game one of the NBA Finals.
我们带了一小群球迷进演播室，一起复盘录像，分析那些决定胜负的关键球和决策。
We brought a small group of fans into the studio and we crunch tape, analyze the key plays and decisions that made one team finish on top.
就是我们这档节目常深入探讨的那种内容。
The kind of stuff we dive into on this show.
但说实话，最棒的不是战术分析，而是人与人之间的交流。
But honestly, the best part wasn't the x's and o's, it was the conversations.
大家因为对篮球的热爱而真正地连接在了一起。
People genuinely connecting over their love of the game.
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That's what Airbnb experiences can unlock for you.
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Whether it's sports, music, food, whatever lights you up, there's an experience waiting.
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我们都喜欢在季后赛大胜时欢呼庆祝。
We all love to celebrate big playoff wins when they happen.
但那些比赛的胜利，其实早在终场哨响前就已奠定。
But those games are won long before the final buzzer.
胜利是在训练场、健身房和录像室里一点一滴赢来的。
They're won at practice, the gym, and in film rooms.
无论是球场上还是生活中，准备才是成败的关键。
On the court and in life, preparation is everything.
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无论你是庆祝胜利，还是为胜利争取应得的认可，你都明白，幸运确实更青睐有准备的人。
Whether you're celebrating a win or getting credit for it, you know that fortune really does favor the prepared.
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我觉得福克斯的情况也很关键。
I also think the Fox situation is important.
他的状态到底怎么样？
Like how healthy is he?
他第一场发挥不好，但他可是全明星球员啊。
Is he you know, he had a poor game one, but he's an all star.
我们都清楚他的能力，他能给球队带来什么，那种沉着冷静的气质，但他得打出相应的水平才行。
You know, we know what he can do, what he brings to this team, the calmness he can bring to this team, but he's gotta play to a level.
相反，戴伦·哈珀在第一场比赛中表现太出色了。
Conversely, Dylan Harper was amazing in game one.
他的单打能力很强，防守端也能制造关键回合，抢下及时的篮板，还能在三分、中投和篮下全都得分。
Mean, he got to it in ISO situations, you know defensively he makes plays, he gets timely rebounds, he scores at all three levels.
他的打法实在太拼了。
It was just so aggressive.
尼克斯队根本没人能防得住他。
It felt like nobody could contain him on the Knicks.
那福克斯的健康状况到底怎么样？
So how is Fox's health?
没错。
Right.
他们怎么分配上场时间？
How do they share those minutes?
会不会更多地让哈珀来打？
Does it shift a little bit more to Harper?
他们有没有一起上过场？
They ever play those guys together?
他们会让这两个人一起打，或者让卡斯特和其中一人搭档，但几乎从不让三个人同时上场。
They will play those two together or they'll play Castle in one those together, but they almost never play the three of
卡斯特，
them Castle,
福克斯，还有
Fox, and
对，没错，
Right, right,
他可能会选择这么安排，但你知道吗，这正是圣安东尼奥的厉害之处。
is something he may push that button, but, you know, I think that this is the beauty of San Antonio.
他们有这三个球员，每个人都能自己得分，也能为队友创造机会。
Is they have these three guys that can go get it themselves or make plays for one another.
是啊，我觉得这其实挺简单的。
Yeah, I mean, think it's simple.
我的意思是，这可是本赛季最后一批主力了。
I mean, listen, this is the last of the Mohicans for the season.
这时候可不能想，哎，要是我不用他，可能整个赛季都见不到他了。
And this is not any time to feel like, Okay, if I don't play this guy, we may lose him for the rest of the season.
现在就是赛季本身啊。
Well, this is the season.
不过我觉得，德阿隆·福克斯对他们来说确实是个关键人物，球队引进他肯定是有原因的。
But I do think, you know, De'Aaron Fox is a huge piece to their That they brought him in for a reason.
我们之前还聊过杰伦·布伦森是年度关键先生。
You know, we talked about Jalen Brunson being Clutch Player of the Year.
我觉得福克斯大概两年前拿过这个奖。
I think Fox was maybe two years ago.
他确实拿过年度关键先生，大家都知道他在比赛末段有多厉害。
You You know, he was Clutch Player of the Year, and we know what he can do in late games.
他健康的时候，那种速度和爆发力，真是没得说。
His speed dynamic when he's healthy.
是的
Yeah.
他健康的时候，投篮能力特别强。
His shot making ability when he's healthy.
他能在全场范围内直接撕裂对方防线，你知道的。
He's able to break down defenses in 94 feet or in, you know?
所以我觉得这能反映出比赛的走势。
So I think it's a gauge on how the game is going.
是的
Yeah.
你知道，他们跟福克斯相处这么久，肯定能看出来他到底是不是完全健康。
You know, if you see I mean, they've been around Fox enough to know that, you know, is he closely healthy or not?
他有没有找到节奏？
Is he in a rhythm or not?
他们清楚从福克斯和迪伦身上能期待什么。
And they know what they're gonna get, out of the rook and Dylan.
所以我觉得这更多是一种直觉，你知道的，没必要急着让他上场。
So, I think it's just a feel, you know, and not feeling one way towards the Let him play out.
对，让他自己发挥吧。
Yeah, let it play out.
谁表现得不错？
Who's performing well?
如果这人状态好，你就让他多打一会儿。
If this guy's performing well, you know, let him get the run.
说到底，我们赢了，大家都能受益，这时候真没必要去照顾谁的情绪，我知道‘照顾情绪’这词儿听着挺重的，但意思就是这么个意思。
I mean, at the end of the day, when we win, we all win, you know, and it's not, you know, it's not no time to be, you know, trying to babysit or, you know, I know that's a big word, like, babysitting someone's ego or whatever.
我不觉得圣安东尼奥那支球队没有自己的想法，他们很清楚自己能带来什么。
I don't think San Antonio, they're a team that doesn't have They have their personal, you know, beliefs on what they can bring to the table.
我们每个人都是这样。
We all do.
我们都是好胜心很强的人。
We're all competitors.
但那支队伍真的没什么个人野心，你知道吧？
But that team is ego less, you know?
而且，我觉得这更多是一种感觉。
And, you know, but I just think it's a feel.
是教练们的直觉在起作用。
How the coaches feel.
就这么简单。
That's it.
尤其是福克斯，自从伤愈复出后，打出了好几场精彩的比赛或高光时刻。
Especially because Fox, since the injury, has had some amazing games or moments.
对。
Yeah.
他可没表现差。
It's not like he's been poor.
没错，没错。
Right, right.
所以我觉得他仍然有机会发挥出色。
So I think there's still an opportunity for him to play well.
即使他表现得中规中矩，也能看出他对球队的帮助。
Even if he's neutral, you can see the benefit he brings to that team.
那种沉着、镇定和节奏感，让哈珀能自由地去抢球。
The calm, the poise, the tempo, which allows Harper just the freedom to go get it.
也让卡斯特能更放手去拼，不用觉得非得自己控制局面不可。就算他只是正常发挥，没低于水准，他也是这支球队的关键人物。
Allows Castle extra opportunities to just be super aggressive instead of feeling like I have a responsibility to So control the even if he just plays neutral, not below his level, he's a big part of this.
但你就是得放手让他去打。
But you just gotta let it
顺其自然。
play out.
你得让比赛自己发展。
You gotta let it play out.
就像你说的，迪伦和斯特凡能自由发挥，正是因为福克斯在场上。
And like you said, the part of Dylan and Stephan being able to just go out and play free is the benefit of Fox being in the lineup.
你注意到没，在对阵俄克拉荷马的系列赛里，有时候达龙不上场，球队失误就多了，进攻也显得特别急躁。
You know, we kinda saw in the OKC series at times when D'Aaron didn't play the level of turnovers and and and how the the offense kinda looked a little sped up.
对。
Yep.
你是懂的。
You know?
但达龙不一样，他天生就是个控场型控卫，能带着队友找到合适的位置，还能带来一种沉稳的节奏。
But with D'Aaron, who's a a natural, natural floor general point guard who can get the guys, you know, where they need to be and a sense of calmness Yeah.
这就让那两个人能做自己。
It allows those two guys to just be themselves.
放手去打，猛攻，猛攻，再猛攻。
Just go out and attack, attack, attack.
别想太多，没事的。
Don't worry about, oh, okay.
别慌。
Oh, shit.
我得让这个清晰明了。
I gotta Yeah.
让这个清楚点。
Make this read.
我得让这个清楚点。
I gotta make this read.
不行。
No.
你们就凭直觉打就行。
You guys just be instinctive.
对。
Mhmm.
让其他人围绕这个来打。
Let everybody else kinda get around that.
是的。
Yeah.
我完全同意这一点。
I I agree with that a 100%.
感谢收看《Mind the Game》。
Thanks for watching Mind the Game.
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