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英国和爱尔兰的朋友们，我现在正在给你们做现场直播。
People of The UK and Ireland, I'm coming to you live.
想象一下，我站在你们城市的舞台上。
Imagine that, me on stage in your city.
都柏林的票已经卖光了，但其他地方还有少量余票，你现在就可以在chris williamson上买到。
Dublin is completely sold out, but everywhere else has got limited tickets left, you can get yours now at chris williamson.
现场。
Live.
这是一场特别定制的现场演出。
This is a custom built live show.
我超级喜欢。
I absolutely adore it.
我花了一年多的时间来准备。
I've spent over a year working on it.
如果你喜欢现代智慧的一切内容，今年十月来英国和爱尔兰看我的现场演出吧。
If you're a fan of everything modern wisdom, come and see me on stage this October around The UK and Ireland.
克里斯·威廉森。
Chris Williamson.
现场。
Live.
留下伤疤。
Leaving scars.
哦，你相信吗？
Oh, do you believe in?
因为我一直
Because I've
睡眠不太好。
been having trouble sleeping.
我睡眠有问题。
I'm having trouble sleeping.
唯一的事情是我在一个找不到的地方。
The only thing I'm somewhere I can't find.
所以我闭上眼睛的时候，就回到了奥斯汀。
So I'm headed back to Austin when I close my eyes.
我唯一需要的，是一个我找不到的地方。
The only thing I'm needing is somewhere I can't find.
所以我闭上眼睛的时候，就回到了奥斯汀。
So I'm headed back to Austin when I close my eyes.
这他妈的太棒了。
That's fucking good.
哇哦。
Whoopie.
谢
Thank
谢你，兄弟。
you, dude.
难以置信。
Unbelievable.
太好了。
So good.
非常感谢。
Thank you very much.
很高兴见到你。
Great to see you.
那
That
那首歌显然是关于德克萨斯州奥斯汀的。
that one's about Austin, Texas, obviously.
很应景。
Very timely.
你是在二十五分钟内写完《煤》的大部分吗？
Did you write most of Coal in twenty five minutes?
是这样吗？
Is that right?
《Coal》这首歌是我写得最快的歌之一，可能是我写过最快的。
Coal Coal was written one one of the fastest ones I've probably ever written.
它一开始，我可以给你看看。
It it started I can kinda show you.
所以它一开始，可能不是这个和弦进行。
So it it started just with maybe not this exact chord progression.
有点不一样。
It was a little bit different.
我可能有一段老视频可以给你看，但我觉得它一开始差不多是……
I might have an old video of it I could show you, but I think I almost I think it started with kind
那个副歌。
of that hook.
他们说压力造就钻石，这句很带感。
The they say pressure makes diamonds hella hit.
你知道吗？
You know?
我当时就想，这太棒了。
I was like, that's that's great.
这就是一首歌。
That's a song.
我们得围绕它来构建。
We gotta build around it.
然后，是的，一段一段地写，我记得当时我拿着手机，在公寓里，把手机放在狗笼子上打字。
And then, yeah, verse by verse, and it was just I remember I was, like, had my phone typing on top of our dog kennel in the apartment at the time.
而且，那正好是在我们和一些工作上的朋友出去之前，我的朋友们几乎都不知道我有个儿子。
And it was, like, right before we we went out with, like, some work friends, and none of my friends knew my son, like, at all.
我不知道，我也不清楚。
I didn't I don't know.
我就是不会到处跟人说。
I just don't go around telling people.
写完《Coal》之后，我们出去了，我妻子朱莉娅特别兴奋。
And wrote Coal went out, and Julia, my wife, was just stoked on it.
她说，这太酷了。
She was like, this is so sick.
然后她就把这首歌的Snapchat视频到处给人看。
And she was just showing people, like, Snapchat videos of the song.
她就像在问，你们觉得这歌怎么样？
She was like, you know, just what do y'all think about this?
然后他们就说，迪伦，你还会唱歌？
And they're like, Dylan, you sing?
然后我
And I
就说，这下
was like, cat's out of
瞒不住了，我想。
the bag, I guess.
然后就没再做什么
And then didn't do anything
大概有一两年都没管它。
with it for, like, a year or two.
不会吧。
No way.
你居然把一首播放量快五亿的歌搁置了？对。
You sat on that you sat on a song that did, like, half a billion streams Yeah.
搁了一年
For a year
或者……其实我就是没怎么用社交媒体。
or Well, I just I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't on socials.
就是什么都没发。
Like, I wasn't putting anything out.
我什么都没做，直到有一次我和我哥们凯登、他现在的妻子MK，还有我妻子朱莉娅一起去露营。
I I I didn't do anything until we were on a camping trip with my buddy, Caden, and his now wife, MK, and my wife and I, Julia.
我带了吉他，就随便弹了几首歌。
And I brought my guitar and was just playing some songs.
凯登是我认识的人里耳朵最灵的。
And Caden has, like, the best ear of anyone I know.
他就像个星探，但不是那种职业的星探。
He's like an A and R that's not doesn't work an A and R.
他听了科尔唱的歌，就说，再唱一遍吧。
And he heard Cole, and he's like, please sing it again.
他还用手机录了下来。
He's like voice memoed it.
然后他说，你得做点什么。
And he's like, you gotta do something.
你必须得做点什么。
You have to do something.
我老婆也说，迪伦，你该在TikTok上发一下。
And my wife was like, Dylan, you should just post on TikTok.
我说，哎呀，我又不是玩TikTok的人。
And I was like, well, I'm not, you know, I'm not a TikToker.
说实话，我真是受不了。
Was like, I honestly can't stand it.
就是，这不是我的菜，我不太喜欢。
Like, I don't it's just not my it's not my thing.
不过，对，我开始做了，然后科尔就火了，真是不可思议。
But, yeah, I started doing it, and then Coal became this thing, which is insane.
我有个哥们，是他婚礼上的伴郎，还是他孩子的教父，当时我们在一个朋友家，那家有卡拉OK机，我也不知道为什么那儿有把吉他。
One of my buddies is best man at his wedding, godfather to his kid, and he was playing we were at a friend's house who has a karaoke machine, and I don't even know why there was a guitar there.
他也一直在做同样的事情。
And he'd been doing exactly the same thing.
我逼他的。
I bullied him.
逼他。
Bullied him.
我说，不行。
I was like, no.
来吧。
Come on.
来吧。
Come on.
因为当时的选择是，要么他弹着木吉他唱得特别好听，要么我们一个朋友在那儿唱那种悲伤的emo说唱。
Because the choice was between him playing acoustic guitar with a beautiful voice and one of our friends' sad emo rapping.
哦，嘿。
Oh, Hey.
你看。
Look.
对我来说，这个决定真的很好做，因为门槛实在太低了，你随便就能过来。
The the decision is really easy for me to make in terms of repress the fucking floor, dude, is so low for you to get over here.
所以我很好奇。
So I'm interested.
你写那些歌词的时候，你的人生处在什么阶段？
Where were you in life when you were doing those lyrics?
那首歌到底是什么？
Like, what what what is that song?
因为当时我住在奥斯汀。
Because I was living in Austin.
我我我当时在……你说的是Coal吗？
I I I worked in are you talking about Coal?
对，就是Coal。
Are talking yeah.
Coal。
Coal.
所以当时我住在奥斯汀。
We so I was living in Austin.
我当时在赛道工作，就是这里的美洲赛道。
I I was working at the racetrack, the Circuit Of The Americas down here.
所以那时候，我在做活动运营。
So I was at the time, I was in event operations.
我记得我一开始是实习生。
I think I was I was at I started as an intern.
我以前就住在那儿，好几个月都住在我爸妈的房车里。
I used to live there in, like, a a trailer in my parents' RV for months.
我就住在工作现场。
I just lived at the job site.
但，对，我当时在那儿工作，可能正好赶上了一个比较艰难的时期。
But I, yeah, I was working there, and it might have just kinda been through, like, a tough season.
比如，F1赛季特别辛苦，尤其是对户外工作人员来说。
Like, f one season's just kinda brutal, especially for, like, the outside guys.
你想想，F1比赛期间，一天要工作二十个小时，人都得住在那里。
You're just I mean, it's just like twenty hour days that you're living out there when it's f one time.
我也不知道。
And I don't know.
反正就是那样。
It was like that.
可能当时是家里的一些事，或者别的什么，谁知道呢。
It might have been some, you know, interpersonal family thing, you know, whatever it might have been at the time.
而且你知道，我总想说，这首歌挺深沉、挺黑暗的，但我尽量告诉大家，我当时并不是处于人生最糟糕的境地。
And, you know, I always try to say, like, it's it's a it's a pretty deep kind of dark song, but I try to tell people I wasn't in, like, the worst spot of my life.
你懂吗？
You know?
但我当时确实在经历日常的挣扎，就像每个人都会遇到的那样。
But I was going through everyday struggles, you know, just like everybody does.
差不多就是这样。
And that's kind of what it was.
感觉就像掉进了一个坑里。
It felt like I was in a pit.
我当时想，我哪儿也去不了。
I was like, I'm not going anywhere.
也不是说……我也不太清楚。
It's not I'm not really like I don't know.
我现在感觉没有在追逐什么。
I don't feel like I'm chasing anything right now.
就像，我过得很好。
Like, I'm having a great life.
我和我妻子还有我们的狗，我们过得很好，我们很幸福。
Like, me and my wife and our dog, like, we're having great like, we're very happy.
但我也在想，其他很多事情，我们就觉得，随便吧。
And I was like, but a lot of other stuff, we were just like, you know, whatever.
你懂吗？
You know?
所以这挺有意思的。
So It's interesting.
我觉得很多人都有一种投入和产出的等式感。
There's like a input output equation I think a lot of people feel.
如果你投入很多，目标就是希望另一边能有所回报。
And if you're putting lots in, the goal, the hope, is that something's gonna come out on the other side of it.
但过了一段时间，你会有这种潜在的杠杆效应。
But you have this sort of latent leverage after a while.
就像，你不断积累，你知道，你拉一根橡皮筋，拉回来，再拉回来，再拉回来，再拉回来。
Like, you build up you know, you pull back an elastic band and you pull it back and pull it back and pull it back and pull it back.
我们希望生活能更线性一些，但很多时候，你只是在不断积累次数。
And we hope that life is gonna be a bit more linear, but a lot of the time, you're kind of just accumulating reps.
所以做某件事，也许甚至不是做什么，而是投入比未来更多的努力，却看不到回报。
So doing something, maybe not even doing what and putting in more work than you will do in future and not seeing the rewards.
我觉得这就是为什么，你知道，Coal 的歌曲在 YouTube 上有 2200 万次播放，最热门的评论说。
I think that's why you know, the top comment Coal's got 22,000,000 plays on YouTube.
最热门的评论说，这首歌传达了一种感觉，当你在努力提升自己、取得进步时，却仍然感到孤独和失败。
The top comment says, this song has the feeling when you're working on yourself and making progress, but you still feel lonely and like a failure.
说实话，那真是个好说法，我觉得那确实就是当时的感觉。
That honestly, that's a great way to put like, that that's how it felt, I guess.
就像，我们几乎只是在投入时间。
It's like, it just felt like we were putting the hours in almost.
你知道吗？
You know?
就是说，我们确实在做，但我也说不清。
It's like, we're we're doing it, but I don't know.
感觉我们没什么变化，没什么不一样的感觉。
It's like we don't nothing we don't feel any different.
但现在我几乎明白了，如果没有，比如说，如果Coal早五年发生，而我当时在写别的东西。
But now I I almost see now it's like without like, if coal happened let's say let's say, know, I was writing about other stuff and coal happened five years earlier.
不可能。
No way.
绝对不可能，我觉得我们不会像现在这样坚持做同样的事情。
There's no way that I that I think we I would be torn doing the same thing that we're doing right now.
为什么？
Why?
我觉得，如果没有经历过那份工作，没有理解大学之外的人际关系，就是那些现实中的事情，我真的不知道。
Without I think without going through that job and understanding even personal relationships outside of college, like just kind of real world items, like, I I don't know.
我觉得如果没有一个真实的参照系可以回归，我简直无法想象自己会投身音乐行业或者尝试写歌之类的。
I feel like I can't even imagine being thrown into the music industry or trying to write songs or any of that without, I feel like, having a real frame of reference to come back to.
你明白我的意思吗？
Does that make sense?
就像，即使是作为艺术家的音乐，我觉得人们不明白它其实是一门生意。
Like, even music as an artist, I think people don't understand it is such a business.
我觉得人们想象艺术家和我自己就是那样，比如，看，我弹吉他。
I think people imagine artists and myself just being like, Look, I strum the guitar.
我去演出。
I show up to shows.
我们收钱，就这样。
We collect our money, and that's our lot.
我觉得有时候我更像一个业务经理，而不是一个艺术家，这是肯定的。
I feel there's at times where I feel a lot more like a business manager than than an artist for sure.
有一本书叫《E神话重访》，作者好像是迈克尔·格伯。
There's a book called The E Myth Revisited by I think it's Michael Gerber.
这其实就是本商业书，但写得挺不错的。
It's like just a business book, but it's quite it's quite well done.
书里讲了一个虚构的故事，讲的是一个开面包店的女人。
And he tells this fictional story in in there of a woman who runs a bakery.
这个女人特别喜欢做蛋糕，
And this woman loves making cakes,
嗯，
which
她特别爱做这个。
she loves to do.
她给家人做蛋糕，给朋友做蛋糕，这是她的热情所在。
And she's made cakes for the family, and she makes cake for her friends, and it's her passion.
她做得很棒，大家都说她的蛋糕最好吃。
And she's great at it, and everyone's best cakes.
她决定开一家面包店。
I'm gonna open a bakery.
那不是很酷吗？
Wouldn't that be cool?
一家小小的本地面包店。
Small local bakery.
于是她开了家面包店，因为蛋糕做得好，很快就火了起来。
So she opens a bakery, and then it gets popular because she makes great cakes.
对。
Yep.
但她需要雇些人手，然后就有员工来了。
But she needs to hire some staff, then some staff come in.
员工开始做一些蛋糕，你知道，她负责原料、配方和发布，但还有账目要处理。
And the staff start to make some of the cakes, and, you know, she's involved in the ingredients and the recipes and the releases, but then there's accounts to do.
然后，对。
And Yep.
她慢慢发展壮大，后来还开了家工厂。
She grows a little bit more, and then she gets a factory.
而且，你知道，她花在做蛋糕上的时间越来越少了。
And, you know, she's spending a little bit less time making cakes.
等她反应过来，她已经好几年没做过一个蛋糕了。
And before she knows it, she hasn't made a fucking cake in years.
对，就是这样。
It's yeah.
不管你在哪个行业，你都得学会拒绝一些事情，或者专注于那些以前你求之不得的机会。
This no matter what industry you're in, you have to learn to be able to say no to things or to focus on stuff that previously you would have begged to have had the opportunity to say yes to.
比如你想和唱片公司的人待在一个房间里，或者你是个作家，你有各种机会去参加演讲活动。
I want to be in the room with the a and r person, or you're a a writer, and you have all of the opportunities to go and do speaking gigs.
问题是，你当初为什么能成为一个好作家？
It's like, why were you great as a writer?
是什么让你在Substack上成为一个出色的博主，或者成为一个写书的作者，或者其他什么？
What made you great as a a blogger on Substack or as an author that writes books or whatever it is?
那是因为你花了很多时间沉浸在自己的想法里。
It was because of the time that you spent, like, stewing in your ideas.
就像是在这些东西里浸泡着。
Like, marinating in this stuff.
就是你和狗一起散步的那三个小时。
It was the the three hour walks that you took with the dog.
而所有这些时间都被挤压掉了，因为我们基本上看不到，明显的生产力是很容易追踪的。
And all of that time gets squeezed because we can't see basically, like, obvious productivity is really easy to track.
你今天在Slack上花了多少小时，或者你发了多少封邮件？
How many hours did you spend on Slack today, or how many emails did you send?
我今天的日程排得满满的，全是电话会议。
I've got a full back to back day of scheduled calls.
这肯定让我显得很重要。
This must make me really important.
然后你会说，那花一个下午去钓鱼，什么都不做，对你来说有多大用处呢？
And you go, well, how useful is it for you to go fishing for an afternoon with nothing else happening?
你会说，我今天工作真的很努力。
You go, well, I worked really hard today.
我去钓鱼了。
I went fishing.
你知道，那种清教徒式的职业道德，那种内疚感会冒出来，因为总觉得应该更努力工作，但让你走到今天的未必是那个。
You know, the the Puritan work ethic, the guilt that comes up because it's like, I should be working harder, but that's not what necessarily got you here.
对。
No.
而且它太严格了。
And it it's so strict.
是的。
Because yeah.
因为，每个人的期望也都在变。
Because, like, expectations change from everyone involved too.
比如，粉丝对听众的期望不一样。
Like, it's the fans have different expectations with the listeners.
随着我发的专辑越来越多，我对自己也有不同的期望。
I have a different expectation as myself as as I put up more and more albums.
当初我写《Coal》的时候，并不是为了什么目的去写的。
Back when I was writing Coal, I was not writing it for anything.
我当时就觉得，这是我的一个出口。
I was just like, this is my outlet.
这是我的热爱。
This is my passion.
我喜欢弹吉他。
I love playing guitar.
我就是想拿起吉他来写歌。
I'm just gonna pick it up and write.
我没有任何理由去做这件事，但我就是想做，因为那是我特别热爱的东西，就像那个面包师一样。
I had no reason to do that, but I wanted to because that was just what I was so passionate about, kinda like the baker.
她就是想烤面包。但现在，天哪，三年，三年半过去了，或者说从写《Coal》算起，大概五年了。
Like, she wants to bake And some fucking now it's like, dude, like three years, three and a half years later, or I guess from Coal writing, it's like five years.
但回头看，如果今天我再写一首一模一样的歌，而且我现在听到《Coal》的版本，我会想，这什么玩意儿，这是小样吗？
But looking back, like if I wrote that exact same song today, and I like, I hear the version of Coal right now, I would be like, what is this demo?
我绝对不会把那个发出去的。
I would never put that out.
你懂吗？
You know?
而且，我在录音室的时候会提醒自己，因为那首歌就是在我的笔记本电脑上，在我床边录的。
And it's like, I I try to remind myself, like, when I'm in the studio and because, like, that was just that that song was just made on my laptop on the edge of my bed.
对，Coal就是在那里录的，混音的。
Like, that's where Cole was recorded, engineered.
那首歌唯一没做的就是母带处理，其实我发出去的时候，我们不得不重新拿下来重新做母带，因为电平都……
The only thing I didn't do on that song was master it, which actually I put it out.
电平都爆了。
We had to retake it down to remaster it because it was so The levels were all
爆了。
over.
就是不对。
It was just off.
它跟其他音乐就是融不到一起去。
It, like, didn't blend in with other music.
所以，是的，这真的很奇怪。
So, yeah, it's it's so it's so strange.
就是说，你得……对。
Like, you have to yeah.
你得找到那份热情，我现在还有。
You've gotta find that passion, which I still have it.
而且我觉得，你知道，显然我会聊到音乐行业的艰难，因为确实有。
And, like, I think, you know, obviously, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about the struggles of music because there are some.
但我最不会做的就是不知感恩。
But the last thing I'm gonna be is ungrateful for what it is.
我就是在实现我的梦想。
Like, I'm living my dream.
就像，每当我在这个行业里遇到困难时，因为确实有，就像你说的，四年前我宁愿为了发专辑而焦虑。
Like, whenever I have struggles in this industry, because there are, kinda like you said, it's like four years ago, I would've killed to be stressing out about putting my album out.
哦，我得去纳什维尔签黑胶唱片。
Oh, I have to go sign vinyls in Nashville.
我以前要是能有这机会，死都愿意，兄弟。
I would have died for that, dude.
所以我也说不准。
So I don't know.
我得时刻提醒自己这一点。
I have to remind myself that.
我妻子也总是这么提醒我。
My wife reminds me that all the time.
她就是我最大的支持者，也是世界上最好的搭档。
She's just like my number one supporter and just like the greatest teammate in the world.
所以，是的，目标一直在变，这种感觉真的很疯狂。
So yeah, it it's such just it's the goalpost just changed and You crazy sensation of
你知道关于习惯化和享乐适应 treadmill 吗？
know about habituation and hedonic treadmill.
比如说，你迫不及待想买一辆新车。
Like, you get you can't wait to get a new car.
你所有的时间都在想这辆新车。
You spend all of your time thinking about this new car.
你买了新车，但六个月后，你就有点腻了。
You get the new car, and then after six months, you're sort of bored of it.
你开始期待下一辆。
You're looking after the next one.
但没人真正提到的是，目标和问题也是一样的道理。
What nobody really talks about is the same thing but with goals and problems.
你之前不是说要去做音效检查吗。
That you wanted to have to do sound check.
我真希望有一队人能帮我调调我那该死的吉他，对。
I just wish that I had a team of people who would maybe tune my fucking guitar Yeah.
在我上台之前。
Before I go out there.
然后你还得去协调，因为有个吉他技师不得不走了，所以我们得找个新的吉他技师。
And then you've got to negotiate because one of the fucking the guitar techs has had to leave, so we need to get a new guitar tech.
哦，等等。
Oh, hang on.
所以你是说，那个我恳求、央求、祈祷能来的人，现在我得找人来替代他，这对我来说感觉像是个负担。
So you're telling me that the person I pleaded, like, begged, prayed to have, I now need to get a replacement for, and that feels like a burden to me.
而且我们习惯了不同的生活质量，不同的，你知道，轻松程度之类的。
And we get accustomed to a different quality of life, a different, you know, level of of ease or something.
而且，是的，我一直觉得如果能拍下自己思维的照片，然后像看照片一样回去看看它们，那会非常酷。
And, yeah, I I've always thought it would be really cool if you could take photos of your own mind and go back and visit them like you can with a with a photograph.
回到四年前你的思维状态会是什么感觉？
What would it be like to go back to the texture of your mind from four years ago?
你直接插上就行。
You can just plug it in.
什么问题，是的。
What problems yeah.
你当时在想什么问题？
What problems were you thinking about?
什么？
What
你入睡的时候，是什么让你担心？
what what concerned you as you fell asleep?
钱的问题。
Money worries.
我能不能搞定那个该死的美国赛道？
Am I gonna make I'm the fucking Circuit of the America.
我在那该死的电瓶车上热得要命，你知道吗，就想着能不能来点可乐，来点小可乐？
I'm boiling hot on the fucking golf cart, you know, taking can we do verse Cole and a little a little Cole?
来吧。
Let's do it.
太好了。
Beautiful.
这就像，因为你知道什么好笑吗？
This was like the because you know what's funny?
我早早发了一个科尔的视频，根本没人理。
I I posted a video of Cole way early on, and no one cared.
一点反应都没有。
It didn't do anything.
但我当时也无所谓。
But I was I was fine with that.
我就想，反正已经卡住了。
I was like, already stuck.
就想，我继续发就是了。
Was like, I'm just gonna keep posting.
直到《To Be Free》出来之后，我才又发了科尔的内容，那是我第一首发的歌，因为我觉得现在有点关注度了。
I didn't post Coal again until after To Be Free happened, the first song I ever put out, because I was like, I have a little traction now.
我应该试试，我真的很相信这首歌。
I should try to I was like, I really, really believe in the song.
比如，歌词写得真的很好。
Like, the writing on it's really good.
然后呢，那个视频就变了。
And then it was like, yeah, over like, that video changed.
你为什么那样做，科尔？为什么副歌前那样处理？
Why did you do that and Cole, why did you do that pre chorus?
因为直到第二次出现的时候，你才把那句歌词放出来。
Because you don't drop, like, the line until the second time it comes around.
你为什么做那个创作决定？
Why did you make that creative decision?
有两个原因。
Two things.
那时候在TikTok上，我特别讨厌音乐推广的那种方式。
At the time on TikTok, I hated what music promotion was.
我讨厌那种，好吧。
I hated that it was like, k.
我们会听到这段十五秒的糟糕歌词片段。
We're gonna hear this fifteen second clip of bad lyrics.
其实那时候歌词根本不会显示在屏幕上。
Lyrics weren't even on the screen really at this time.
就像，大家也不是说，我不知道。
Like, people weren't like I don't know.
就是完全围绕一个十五秒的片段，大家可以转发、重新制作视频来跳舞或者做别的什么。
It was just like all about a fifteen second clip that people can just repost and redo videos to dance or whatever it was.
他们通常会提前收集一堆预存，预存、预存，然后就把这个东西拖上好几个月。
And what they would do is they would get all these presaves lined up, presave, presave, and they would just extend this thing for just months.
我和Coal做的时候，我觉得这首歌的强项在于歌词。
And what I did with Coal was like, I think the strength of the song is in the writing.
我觉得副歌不一定是那种在最后给听众的巨大回报。
It's not necessary I think the hook is like this huge payoff at the very end that the people who listen to it are going to get.
那时候我没想过，哦，我可能应该把它剪短，因为二十秒的视频会比四十五秒的视频获得更多播放量，就像你说的。
At the time, I wasn't thinking like, oh, I should probably shave that off because a twenty second video is gonna have a lot more views than a forty five second video, like you're saying.
但我也很喜欢这首歌的歌词。
But I also just like the the writing of it.
怎么说呢，我也不太清楚。
Like, I don't know.
就像，我未曾死去却见过天堂，未曾尝试却与魔鬼同行。
Like, I've seen heaven without dying, with the devil without trying.
我对此感到非常自豪。
Like, I was super proud of that.
我当时就想，这或许是个不错的副歌，谁知道呢？
And I was like, I think that's a good hook to bring who knows?
如果我是从副歌开始写的，可能就不会有这首歌了。
If there if I started with the chorus, it might have never happened.
比如，如果录音那天是阴天而不是晴天，可能也不会有这首歌。
Like, know, if if it was a a dark sky instead of a sunny day when I was recording, might have never happened.
我经常想这些事情。
Like, I think about that stuff all the time.
那天我拍了五段不同的视频，最后就选了那一段。
It it's I I took like, I did, like, five different videos that day, and I just chose that one.
我当时想，那段视频可能不会火。
I was like, there's a chance that that video didn't go.
如果我再也没发过Cole，我们现在就不会有这段对话了。
I never posted Cole again, and I'm we're not having this conversation.
你懂我的意思吧？
You know what I mean?
所以，是的。
So it's yeah.
我也不知道。
I don't know.
而且我也很相信，事情发生都是有原因的。
I also like I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm very I'm I'm a big believer in that things happen for a reason.
所以这让我心里很踏实。
So that also gives me peace of mind.
我不知道。
I don't know.
没有复活。
Unrevival.
但是，是的。
But yeah.
所以。
So
但现在我运气全无，当我的梦想不值一书。
But I'm all out of luck now when my dreams aren't worth a book.
这很难，试图站稳脚跟，当这场人生游戏压得我心沉重，爱是艰难的，孤独加倍困难，我到处被带走，他们说压力造就钻石。
How it's tough trying to land on my feet when this game of life plays heavy on my heart And love is tough, loneliness twice is hard I'm carried out about everywhere I go They say pressure makes diamonds us.
我怎么还是这么冷？
How the hell am I still cold?
那就是那段视频。
That was the clip.
好。
Good.
所以，你觉得故意看起来不精致现在本身成了一种营销方式吗？
So, I mean, do you think deliberately looking unpolished is now its own kind of marketing?
因为一旦有人在台上这么做并且成功了，那一切就都商业化了。
Because as soon as you find as soon as somebody does it on the deck and it's successful, like, everything becomes commercialized.
比如，一旦团队意识到真实性有商业价值，真实性就很难存活，因为人们现在在表演真实性。
Like, authenticity is really difficult to survive once a team recognizes it's got commercial value, and then that kind of kills what authenticity is because people are now performing authenticity.
说实话，这仍然是我纠结的事情，比如，我不是纠结于怎么让这个看起来和感觉起来怎么样。
I mean, so that was something I I mean, it's honestly it's still something I obsess over of, like and I don't obsess over it in a way of, like, how do we make this look and feel?
你知道吗？
You know?
因为人们比以往任何时候都聪明。
Because people are smarter than they ever are.
兄弟，你骗不了人的。
Dude, you're not gonna fake it.
而且人们确实会这样，也许我错了。
And people do, and maybe I'm wrong.
也许很多人确实相信很多东西是真实的，但实际上根本不是。
Maybe people do believe a lot of stuff is authentic when it's just absolutely not.
但我不确定。
But I don't know.
我只是觉得，我尽量保持初心，就像我刚进入这个领域时想的那样，有些底线我不会跨越。
I just feel like I try to stay true to what my mind was thinking when I first got into this thing of like, there's lines I won't cross.
但是，
But like,
我绝不会牺牲。
I would never sacrifice.
有一段时间，我甚至不投放广告。
For a while, I wouldn't even run ads.
我什么都不做。
I wouldn't do anything.
我不会那么做的。
I would not.
我把我的团队逼疯了。
And I drove my team crazy.
而且我敢肯定，为此我在很多事情上都吃了亏。
And guarantee I probably took a hit on a lot of things for that.
也许我想得太多了，但我就是觉得，你看，我不想突然之间，就像你说的，我们知道这东西有效。
And maybe I was overthinking it, but I was just like, Look, I don't want to just all of a sudden, like you said, it's like we know this thing works.
我不想突然就一头扎进去。
I don't want to all of a sudden just dive in.
所有人都跟我说，等等。
Everyone's telling me, well, wait.
这就是套路。
That's the formula.
这就是套路。
Here's the formula.
现在先别发。
Don't put it out right now.
等三个月。
Wait three months.
先把预存数提上去。
Get your presaves up.
再多发三十次。
Post it thirty more times.
我总共就发了一次。
I posted a coal in total.
就算到今天，我觉得也就发了七到十次。
Even like today, I think it's been like seven to 10 times ever.
你在开玩笑吧。
You're kidding.
真的，就这些。
Ever.
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现在它出来的时候，我记得我发了四次。
Now when it came out, I think I posted it four times.
现在人们会告诉你的是，
And what people would tell you now is like,
不，你得发五十次。
No, you gotta post this on 50.
我说得对吧。
I'm right.
你知道吗？
You know?
然后我就觉得，我也不知道。
And it's like, I don't know.
现在音乐圈就是这么奇怪，有太多人在做这件事。
It's just such this weird thing in music right now where there's so many people doing it.
所以你得想办法脱颖而出，得想办法让自己与众不同。
So you've gotta get out there somehow, and you've gotta you've gotta separate yourself somehow.
现在玩这种音乐的人，比当年Coal出来的时候多了十倍都不止。
Like, it's it's even 10 x of whenever I like, Coal came out of, like, the amount of people kind of playing this type of music.
我也不知道。
And I I I don't know.
我真的不知道怎么脱颖而出，因为现在每个人都在做真实的东西，每个人也都在做精致的东西。
I I really don't have the answer to, like, how to separate because everyone's doing the authentic thing now, and everything everyone's doing the polished thing.
就是有太多选择了。
Like, there's just so many things.
我觉得在你我的圈子里，真正成功的人都是走极端的。
I think in your world and in my world, the ends of the barbell are where people are succeeding.
对。
So Yeah.
要么就是非常非常精良的制作。
Very, very produced.
要么就是特别原生态、特别简单的那种。
Like, super polished or very raw and stripped back.
而且我觉得现在中间地带反而是大家最容易沉寂的地方。
And I think the middle is where people seem to go to die at the moment.
但说到音乐行业的增长，从2020到2023年，公告牌前十名里，说唱占34%，乡村音乐占7%；而2025到2026年，乡村音乐占27%，说唱占17%。
But looking at talking about the growth of the music industry, Billboard top 10 from 2020 to 2023, rap music, 34%, country music, 7%, '25 to '26, country music, 27%, rap music, 17%.
所以说唱音乐份额减半，而乡村音乐翻了四倍。
So rap music's gone in half, and country music's four x'd.
这太不可思议了。
That's incredible.
这真的挺疯狂的。
That's pretty crazy.
我是说，太猛了。
I mean Wild.
我觉得这是自然规律。
I think it's the natural way of things.
就像，我觉得总有一天乡村音乐会回落，说唱会重新崛起。
Like, I think at some point, country will be back down and rap will be back up.
再说一次，这没问题。
Again, that's that's fine.
它们是两个极端，
They're the two ends of
你懂我的意思吧？
the You know what I'm saying?
而且，现在的乡村音乐已经不是2020年那个样子了。
But, also, like, it's country is not what country was in 2020.
比如，我现在听到一些上榜的歌，我会觉得，这歌真不错。
Like, I mean, I hear songs right now that are charting or whatever that I'm like, that's a great song.
我很喜欢。
I love it.
我不会说它是乡村音乐，但也可以吧。
I wouldn't call it country, but sure.
你明白吗？
You know?
你知道，里面有木吉他伴奏。
You know, it's got acoustic guitar in it.
那就这么定了。
Let's do it.
这就是乡村音乐。
That's country.
不过，确实挺酷的。
But, yeah, it's cool.
我觉得，总有一天会回归的。
I think I think at some point, it'll go back.
会有一波全新的嘻哈潮流之类的出现，对吧。
There'll be, like, a whole new wave of hip hop or something that comes in Mhmm.
那也挺酷的。
Which is cool too.
顺便说一句，如果你一直想要一个Eight Sleep但觉得价格太贵，现在情况变得很有意思了。
A quick aside, if you wanted an Eight Sleep but could never quite justify the price, things just got very interesting.
他们居然同时做到了大幅改进和降价。
They've somehow managed to make it significantly better and cheaper at the same time.
全新Pod六代来了。
Introducing the brand new Pod six.
它现在小了50%，大多数床架底下都能放得下，而且内置的传感器数量是原来的九倍，尽管有这么多升级。
It's now 50% smaller, meaning it fits under most bed frames, and there are nine times more sensors built into it despite all of these upgrades.
Pod六代现在起售价只要1999美元，这是Eight Sleep有史以来最低的起售价。
The pod six now starts at just $1,999, the lowest starting price Eight Sleep has ever offered.
最棒的是，Eight Sleep首次推出了单人尺寸，包括大床、特大床和加州特大床的单侧选项，而且还有三十天的睡眠试用期。
Best of all, for the first time, Eight Sleep has introduced solo sizes, including single side options for queen, king, and California king beds, and they've got a thirty day sleep trial.
你可以买回去睡上二十九个晚上。
So you can buy it and sleep on it for twenty nine nights.
如果不喜欢，他们会直接退款给你。
And if you don't like it, they'll just give you your money back.
而且他们全球发货，所以别被那个货币金额吓到。
Plus, they ship internationally, so don't be scared by the currency amount.
现在，你可以通过点击下方描述中的链接，或者访问8sleep.com/modernwisdom，并在结账时使用优惠码Modern wisdom，享受Pod 6最高350美元的折扣。
Right now, you can get up to $350 off the pod six by going to the link in the description below or heading to 8sleep.com/modernwisdom and using the code Modern wisdom at checkout.
网址是eightsleep.com/modernwisdom，结账时输入Modern wisdom。
That's eightsleep.com/modernwisdom and Modern wisdom at checkout.
有趣的是，病毒式传播可以奖励不同的行为。
What's interesting is how virality can reward different behaviors.
因为一旦你找到让某件事变得有效的方法，每个人都会开始效仿。
Because as soon as you find a way to make something become effective, everybody's going to start to play that.
我想，你怎么区分一首歌是好歌，还是只是适合算法的歌？
I guess, how do you tell the difference between a song that's good and a song that's just algorithm friendly?
哦，我觉得我对此看法不太好，因为我自己就在这个圈子里。
Oh, I mean, I feel like I have a I feel like I have a bad view on this because I'm in it.
所以，我觉得我能很容易看出什么时候有东西在推动某件事。
So, like, I feel like I can pretty easily see when something has something pushing it.
你懂吗？
You know?
我大概知道那些热门歌曲的标志是什么，比如我听到一首歌在流行，我就会去看看那个音频什么的，然后我就想，好吧。
Like, I I'm I I kind of know what the markers are of like when I hear a song that's trending, and like, I'll go look at the audio or whatever, and I'm like, okay.
他们背后有团队。
They got a team.
他们在推这个。
Like, they're they're running this thing.
他们就是
Like, they're
有哪些迹象呢？
What what are some of the indications?
比如，好吧。
Like, okay.
你会看到一首歌出来，然后有一千个卡车剪辑版本之类的。
You'll see you'll see a song come out, and there's a thousand truck edits to it or something.
然后我就想
And I'm like
什么是卡车剪辑？
What's a truck edit?
好，是这样的。
Like, okay.
比如，你会看到一首新歌出来，然后会有一个账号发视频，他们只发卡车视频，配上那种很酷的、有氛围感的灯光。
For like, you'll see you'll see a new song come out, and it'll be like a video of an account that all they do is just truck videos with, like, cool moody lighting K.
上面有歌词，然后配上那首歌。
Lyrics on the top, and they put a song to it.
我没想到Instagram上还有这样一个生态。
I didn't realize this was an ecosystem on Instagram.
卡车生态。
The truck ecosystem.
卡车Instagram生态。
Truck Instagram ecosystem.
那是个大热门。
That's a big thing.
而且再说，这其实挺聪明的，因为很多人关注那些账号就是为了听音乐。
Like and again, it's a it's a smart thing because a lot of people follow those accounts for music.
所以团队会怎么做呢，就是他们会把某人的歌放到那种视频上推广。
So like what teams will do is, you know, they'll they'll pump someone's song on stuff like that.
不过我得说，现在比以前更难了，这并不意味着你就能有一首热门歌曲。
Now I'll say now more than ever, that doesn't mean that you're gonna have a hit song.
可能会让更多人听到，但如果歌本身不怎么样，或者听起来跟别的歌很像，那它还是火不起来。
It it might put more ears on it, but, like, if the song is not that great and if it kinda sounds like something else, like, it just won't it still won't really catch.
但你知道，这就是营销上火力升级的一种表现。
But, you know, this is the kind of escalation of firepower when it comes to marketing.
如果每首还不错的歌现在都有一堆剪辑师和卡车视频，还有，哦对，船的视频在后面推，那要脱颖而出得多难啊。
That how much harder is it to break through if every moderately good song has now got an army of clippers and truck edits and Oh, yeah.
船的视频在后面推。
Boat edits behind it.
所以，对，我的意思是，这几乎就像在我的情况里一样。
So, yeah, that's I mean, that's and that's what I mean is all it's almost like in my in my case.
说实话，我能靠卖票走到今天这个位置，已经非常幸运了。
Like, I'm I'm very blessed to be in the position that I am is, like, selling tickets.
我们一直以来的基础就是这个。
That's what we've always based this thing off of.
除了那次走红之外，我们其实从来没有过什么爆火的时刻。
Like, we've never really outside of coal, we've never really had, like, viral moments.
就那一次。
Like, that was it.
从那以后，我们就再没遇到过类似的情况。
Like, we haven't really had one since before.
但对我来说，重要的是我们的演出规模一直在扩大。
But what matters to me is that our shows keep growing.
我唯一在意的就是让观众买票进场。
That's all I've always cared about is getting people to buy tickets in seats.
不过现在这也越来越难了，因为现在几乎每个人都在巡演。
I mean, even that's getting harder with just how many everyone and their mom is touring right now.
对。
Yes.
就是
It's
蓝点热正在发生。
Blue Dot fever's happening.
那完全是另一件疯狂的事。
And that's just like that's a whole another crazy thing.
那简直是各种因素凑在一起，让人们不愿意买票。
That's that's just like that is a mixture of just everything going against people buying tickets.
所以，就像
So, like
但是，你知道吗？
But then You know?
对于那些不了解蓝点热的人来说，这是一波艺术家，其中很多人相当有名，在相当大的场馆演出，有些是体育场，有些是体育馆，但门票卖不完，或者经常卖得不够，甚至可能无法继续下去。
The part of the for the people that don't know Blue Dot Fever is a wave of artists, many of whom are pretty big, doing some pretty large venues, some stadiums, some arenas not selling out or often not selling enough to even maybe continue with the
演出，或者干脆取消整个巡演。
Show or perhaps killing the tour entirely.
其中一部分原因是，这个人还有他们想象的那么火吗？
And part of it is, is this person as relevant as they thought?
是不是炒过头了？
Have they overcooked it?
但另一个很大的因素是，票价到底他妈的有多贵？
But another huge part of it is what are the fucking ticket prices?
比如，Ticketmaster和Live Nation到底在搞什么，大家被压榨得多厉害，还有动态定价。
Like, what's happening with Ticketmaster and Live Nation and how much are people getting squeezed and dynamic pricing.
这些因素同时作用，但我在节目里最常听到的是，现实生活中的活动会以多快的速度回归。
It's all cohesive at the same time, but one of the most common things I'm hearing on the show is how much real life events are gonna come back.
比如，每个人对现场音乐都超级乐观。
Like, everyone's bullish as fuck on live music.
每个人对喜剧、现实世界活动，还有那种慢节奏、无科技、远离手机的安息日，都特别看好，大家都想出去接触大自然，重新看看天空。
Everyone's so bullish on comedy, on real world events, on, you know, slow phone tech free Sabbaths, trying to touch grass and, you know, fucking see the sky again.
与此同时，还有另一个因素，就是生活成本。
And at the same time, you have this other force, which is cost of living.
人们手头不再像以前那样宽裕了。
People don't have as much money as they want anymore.
Live Nation、Ticketmaster，还有全球所有场馆都知道，好吧。
And Live Nation and Ticketmaster and every venue on the planet knows, okay.
我得压榨，但不能压得太狠。
Well, I've gotta squeeze, but I can't squeeze too much.
我的意思是，对，你想去看大型体育场的演出。
I mean, it's like, yeah, you wanna go see a massive stadium act.
那挺好的。
It's like, cool.
但我和我老婆去的话，一天下来得花上千美元。
For me and my wife to go, that's going to be a 4 figure day.
而且这还是坐在最便宜的座位上的情况。
Like, the and that's if I'm in the nosebleeds.
这还是我坐在体育场最差的位置的情况。
That's if I'm in the worst seat in the stadium.
我还得订酒店。
I gotta go get a hotel.
停车还得花50美元。
I gotta park for $50.
如果我想买……
I gotta if I wanna buy a
还得请保姆。
show Babysitter.
保姆。
Babysitter.
我是说，花几千美元去看一场演出，还坐在很差的位子上。
I mean, you're talking about thousands of dollars to go see a show in a really bad seat.
从F排开始。
From Row F.
然后他们就说，等等。
And then they go, well, hold on.
那个我们歌单里有的TikTok歌手，他在附近演出，票价才15美元，有200个人去。
This TikTok artist that remember we have on our playlist, he's playing down the road for a $15 ticket, and there's 200 people going.
然后就想，那咱们就去看那个吧。
And it's like, let's just do that.
但现在有一千个人去了。
But there's a thousand people now.
所以，我觉得经纪人的工作也越来越难了，因为巡演基本上靠售罄来支撑，然后回来再根据专辑重新调整演出。
So to have and I feel like agents jobs are getting harder every day too, because it almost you build touring off of sellouts and coming back and revamping your show that you did after an album.
你回到城市，演出很成功，然后就想，好吧。
You come back to the city, you crushed, and it's like, alright.
现在你的专辑卖得好，大家也喜欢，所以你可以多卖20%的票，那就这么办吧。
Well, now you can do 20% more tickets because your album's doing well and people are enjoying it, so let's do it.
但现在差不多到了这种程度，比如，你知道，Dylan要来芝加哥了。
But now it's almost at the point where it's like, oh, you know, Dylan's coming to Chicago.
我们去年看过他的演出。
We saw him last year.
演出很棒。
Great show.
我很喜欢。
Loved it.
但我们确实看过他了。
But we saw him.
那这个新来的艺人怎么样？
And what about this new artist that's coming?
我们应该去看他，因为这个月或者今年我们只能选一场演出，因为什么都太贵了。
We should go see him because we can only choose one show this month or this year because everything's so expensive.
所以，是的。
So Yep.
就是这样，兄弟。
It's just yeah, dude.
这真是一个很有意思的行业。
It's such a it's such an interesting landscape.
再说，我们真的很幸运，能一直做下去。
Again, we're just we're just very blessed we get to keep doing it.
所以这就是我们努力去做的。
So that's what we just try to do.
一夜成名以前有点像是贬义词，现在感觉大家都在追求这个。
Overnight success used to be a bit of an insult, and now it kinda feels like what everyone's chasing.
奇怪。
Strange.
非常奇怪。
Very strange.
但我也觉得，可能很多人还没准备好。
But I I also think a lot of people aren't ready for it maybe.
比如，我自己就没准备好，但幸运的是，它没有在我太年轻的时候发生，而是在一个恰到好处的时机来了。
Like, mean, I wasn't ready for it, but luckily, like, it didn't happen in such a way when I was too young or like it kind of happened like in the perfect moment.
比如我和我妻子六个月前刚结婚，安顿下来，一起搬进了房子，然后事情就发生了。
Like my wife and I just got married six months earlier, like, fell settled down, moved into a house together, and then it happened.
你知道吗？
You know?
对，是的。
And I yeah.
你知道，我觉得最难的部分是维持这种状态。
It you know, I I think the hardest part is maintaining it.
我觉得这并不总是发生，就是有人会有一个非常重大的时刻，你会知道那首歌。
I feel like that's that's what does not always happen is someone will have a really big moment, and you'll know the song.
全世界每个人都知道那首歌。
Everyone in the everyone in the world knows the song.
然后一年后，他们可能卖不出演出票了，因为他们可能只有那一首被推出来的歌。
And then in a year, it's like they can't sell shows because maybe they just had that one song that was getting pushed out.
我不知道。
I don't know.
这世界真是奇怪。
It's it's a weird world.
我时常感到迷失其中。
I I feel lost in it all the time.
所以我才，兄弟，我删了好多社交媒体。
That's why I dude, I like, I've deleted so much social media.
那些国家相关的账号，我基本都取关了。
Any, like, country account out there, I pretty much have just unfollowed.
为什么？
Why?
就是，就是感觉太压抑了。
I just I just it's just overwhelming.
就是太……怎么说呢……
It's just too What's
当你接触到那些东西的时候，你是什么感觉？
the sensation that you feel when you get exposed to that, when you were getting exposed to that stuff?
我的感觉倒不是说会焦虑或者有压力。
I mean, my sensation it's not like I'm, like, getting anxious or stressed about it.
更像是，哥们，我得在这一切之外有自己的生活。
It's more of just like, dude, I gotta have a life outside of, like, everything.
比如以前Instagram上都是朋友发的东西。
Like, Instagram used to be like, oh, one of my friends posting.
现在全是广告、推广、推广、广告。
And now it's just like, ad, ad, promotion, promotion.
哦，这是我朋友。
Oh, there's my buddy.
你知道，让我翻翻看。
You know, let me scroll through that.
然后就变得……而且当人们评论其他国家的艺人时，就像那些躲在我们背后的人。
And it's just it just gets and we're like when people are reviewing other country artists, it's like these people that hide behind us.
就是很奇怪。
It's just weird.
我就觉得，这对音乐行业来说显然是好事。
And I'm like like, it it obviously it's it's good for the music industry.
它能带来很多关注。
It gives a lot of eyes.
但作为业内人士，我其实是想把生活和工作稍微分开一点，我觉得我在这方面做得挺好的。
But as someone that's in the industry, it's like, I'm trying to separate a little bit my life and my work, which I feel like I've done a really great job on.
再说，我也不是那种特别活跃在社交媒体上的人。
Like, again, I'm not I'm not, like, very social media forward.
比如，我们马上要出新专辑了，所以我最近也在试着多发一些东西，但说实话，我也不太确定。
Like, there I mean, I've we have an album coming out, so I've kind of been trying to I'm I'm, like, trying to post more, but, I'm like, I don't know.
我真的不知道。
I don't I don't know.
你知道吗，很多时候发出去的内容就这样石沉大海了，而且真的挺累的。
I don't you know, it it gets lost out there a lot of times anyways, and it's just it's just a lot.
这又回到了我们之前聊的那个话题：当你越来越成功的时候，你反而更难去做那些让你成功的事情。
It's another element of what we were talking about before that as you become successful, your ability to do the things that made you successful become harder to access.
艺术要源于生活，你得先有生活。
In order for art to imitate life, you have to live a life.
对。
Yep.
这就是为什么喜剧演员越做越大之后，他们的段子全都在讲机场、饭局、演出和酒店，因为他们只熟悉这些了，毕竟他们现在是大巡演艺人。
This is why comedians, as they get bigger and bigger, all of their acts are about airports and dinners and shows and hotels because that's all that they know because they're now a big touring act.
每个周末都在外面跑，演两三场。
Every single weekend, they're away playing two or three shows.
可能还有日场，而且他们的朋友也都在这个圈子里。
Maybe they're matineeing, and all of their friends are in the industry as well.
不知不觉，你就会想：我创作的源泉到底是什么？
And before you know it, you go, what is the wellspring that I'm drawing from?
这对任何人都一样。
And this is the same for anybody.
你是个做营销的。
You're a marketer.
你是做品牌的人。
You're you're a branding person.
你要为客户的新活动想出真正有趣的洞察，或者为你自己经营的公司，或者其他什么。
You're trying to come up with really interesting insight for a new campaign for a client that you work for, for your own company that you run or whatever.
你从哪里获取这些灵感？对。
Where are you drawing that from Yeah.
如果你所消费的只是别人谈论同一件事的衍生作品呢？
If all that you're consuming is just derivative work of other people talking about the same thing?
我在品牌行业很有影响力。
Well, I'm big in the branding industry.
花时间参加会议对我来说非常重要。
It's very important that I spend time at the conference.
好的。
Okay.
所以，是的。
So Yeah.
你作为营销人员，整天都在和营销人员聊营销。
You, as a marketing guy spend all of your time talking to marketing guys about marketing.
新的灵感从哪来？你
Where is the new inspiration You
以前你就是那个你要营销的对象。
used to be the person that you would market to.
比如，我以前就是那种我想成为的人，我希望迪伦能成为迪伦的粉丝。
Like, I I used to be the guy that I would want to be like, I want I would want Dylan to be a fan of Dylan.
我就是在想，我觉得这个人会
Like, I'm trying to I'm like, I think this guy would
喜欢这个节目，和这个节目一样。
love to Same thing with the show.
没错。
Exactly.
一样。
Same thing.
就像你之前说的，怎么分辨一首歌是好歌还是被推起来的？
Like, even you said earlier, how can you tell what's a good song and what's something that's been pushed?
我觉得我能分辨出来。
I'm like, I think I can tell.
但你可能也被忽悠过。
But You might have been finessed as well.
也许吧，你知道的。
Maybe I have because you know?
然后我开始相信某些东西，对吧，然后你又不断把界限往后推，比如，我不喜欢他们那样宣传之类的。
And then I start to believe certain things, right, where, again, you just kinda keep pushing the line back of like, oh, I hate I I don't like how they promoted that or whatever.
然后你的下一张专辑出来了，你会想，嗯，我们需不需要……
And then your next record comes out and you're like, well, do, you know, do we need to
我需要玩那个游戏吗？
do I need to play that game.
我不知道。
I don't know.
这么说真是太对了，确实。
It's it's that's such a good way to put it of just, yeah.
可以说，越成功，离起点越远，嗯。
The the the farther, I guess, you could say, quote unquote, the more successful you get and the more away from where you started Mhmm.
你得找时间回去。
You gotta find time to get back.
我记得麦莉·赛勒斯好像在一次采访里说过这个。
I think Miley Cyrus might have said that one time in the interview.
她说她需要离开巡演一段时间，就为了过正常生活。
It was just like she requires certain time off the road so she can just live, like just off.
她说，我得稍微活一下。
She's like, I just have to live a little bit.
所以是的。
So yeah.
你的创作过程通常从哪里开始？
Where does your process usually start?
是从一句歌词、一段旋律，还是某种情感开始的？
Is it like a line, melody and emotion?
通常会是这样的，比如，好吧。
It'll be it'll be stuff like, okay.
怎么说呢，我也不太确定。
Like, I don't know.
我可能就坐在沙发上。
I'll be on the couch.
朱莉娅在旁边看电视或者什么的。
Julia will be watching TV or something like that.
我们正看着什么，然后我就开始哼一些没有意义的词。
We'll be watching something, and I sing gibberish.
我会试着找一段我觉得不错的旋律，但是……
Like, I'll try to find a melody that I think is but
我……
I'm
其实没在说什么。
not saying anything.
然后最后，可能，会有一个词冒出来，感觉挺发人深省的。
And eventually, maybe, like, a word will come to me that feels very thought provoking or something.
你懂吗？
You know?
就像，好吧。
Like, okay.
比如那首《回奥斯汀》，我之前弹的那首，我觉得差不多就是那种感觉。
For like, headed back to Austin, the one I played earlier, I think it was kind of that line.
就是，我知道我想往哪儿走，但当时什么都没有。
Like, I knew where I wanted to go, but I didn't have anything.
那首歌也是从我在沙发上坐了大概三十分钟开始的。
And that just started with, again, me on the couch for, like, thirty minutes.
不是因为我在努力写歌，而是因为我就是在随便弹着玩。
Not because I'm trying to write a song, but it's because I'm just noodling.
就是，我也不太清楚。
Like, I don't know.
我就是喜欢做这件事。
I just like doing it.
所以我就开始，或者我会看看乔伊。
So I started just or and I'll look at Joy.
比如，那听起来不错。
Like, that sounds cool.
她说，对。
She's like, yeah.
我喜欢那个。
I like that.
然后我会说，哦，你
And I'll like, oh, you
知道。
know.
然后
And
然后你就开始胡乱拼凑辅音和元音，直到它们变成一个词。
then you just kind of start gibberish forming consonants and vowels until they become a word.
等一下。
Hang on.
所以编剧室就是你，电视上那些乱七八糟的东西。
So the the writer's room is you, whatever bullshit's on TV.
妻子，还有现在这个孩子，对吧。
The wife, and presumably now the kid Yeah.
他就在后面瞎折腾。
Who's just, like, flailing in the background.
所以这和纳什维尔引擎有点区别，对吧。
So the difference between this this and a Nashville engine, a little bit Yeah.
有很大区别，但这就是我喜欢它的原因，而且再说一次，我对那些人没有意见。
Very but that's why I like and, again, I I have nothing against those guys.
他们在自己的领域里非常有才华。
They're very talented in their own life.
那是他们能做的事，但我就是做不到。
It's what they can do, but it just doesn't I can't do it.
就像我
That's like I
说的，你试过吗？
said Have tried?
你有没有试过加入那种引擎，比如……
Have you tried to be in the, like, the engine like
没有。
No.
有意思。
Interesting.
我最接近那种情况的是，比如，和我弟弟或者多乐器演奏者科尔顿一起写歌。
I've the closest I've come to that is, like, I write with my brother or, like, multi instrumentalist, Colton.
就算那样，感觉还是不一样。
And even then, it's just different.
那完全是另一种创作方式。
It's a whole different way of writing.
我也说不上更喜欢哪种。
I can't say if I like it more or less.
我还是觉得，晚上一个人坐在客厅沙发上，那才是我写出好东西的时候。
Like, I still think me on my couch in my living room usually at night is like, that's where I get the stuff I like.
不过，我弟弟写了一首歌叫《流浪》，收录在专辑里。
Like but then, like, my brother has a song that he wrote called Ramblin', and it's on the album.
其实专辑的名字就叫《流浪》。
It's actually the title of the album, Ramblin'.
不好意思。
Excuse me.
那首歌算是专辑里最好听的之一。
And it's like one of the best songs on the album.
写得真酷。
Like, it's written so cool.
而我只写了副歌和副歌的一小段旋律。
And all I did was write the chorus and a little melody for the chorus.
我能听听吗？
Can I hear about it?
他吉他弹得比我好多了，所以我可能会弹得很烂。
He's way better at playing it on guitar, so I'm probably gonna butcher it.
而且我也很久没弹了。
Also, I haven't played it in so long.
天哪。
Jeez.
听那风声，呼唤着我的名字。
Listen to the wind, calls me by name.
故乡的泥土依旧，不该有红种人带来这痛苦。听那风声，听那风声，不。
Same old dirt from where I was raised Ain't no red man ought to cause all this pain Listen to the wind, listen to the wind No,
就是，我也不太清楚。
Like, I don't know.
太酷了。
So cool.
这首歌真的很美。
It's it's a beautiful song.
我把它唱砸了。
I butchered it.
抱歉，布莱克。
Sorry, Blake.
他可能正在听。
He's probably listening.
他可能会说，你这个笨蛋，把我的歌都搞砸了。
He's like, you messing up my song idiot.
不过，是的。
But yeah.
不。
No.
他那种指弹风格，我真的学不来。
He he does this, like, finger picking style that, like, I just can't even do.
而且他的吉他弹得比我好太多了。
And he's he's a way better guitar player than I am.
但这真的很酷。
But this is so cool.
我就是喜欢这种风格。
Like, that's the stuff that I love.
我以前可能比较固执，但现在，尤其是现在，我很愿意合作，也不会那么在意每句歌词都得是我写的。
Like, I I'm not I I was early on, but especially, like, now, like, I'm very open to collaboration, and and I'm not as, like, sacred about every word's gotta be mine.
你知道，对我来说，写作比唱歌更让我热爱。
Like, you know, I'm very writing is my passion almost more than singing.
所以，我对歌曲要表达什么、听起来怎么样，都挺讲究的。
So, like, you know, I'm very particular of, like, what I want the songs to say and sound like.
我也不知道。
And I don't know.
我就是喜欢写歌。
I just like writing.
你会为别人写歌吗？
Would you ever do it for someone else?
我觉得会，但是……
I think so, but it's
也许吧。
maybe.
我觉得我没法为别人写一首我自己能唱的歌，因为我根本不会去唱它。
I don't think I could write a song for someone else that I think that I could sing because I just won't sing it.
保健品行业里，很多产品都在吹嘘自己无法兑现的功效，这就是为什么我非常喜欢Momentous。
The supplement industry is full of products making claims that they can't back, which is why I'm such a massive fan of Momentous.
他们的联合创始人杰夫·拜尔斯曾在NFL打球，亲眼目睹了保健品质量参差不齐的程度，所以他以更高的标准创立了Momentous。
Their cofounder, Jeff Byers, played in the NFL and saw firsthand just how wildly the quality of supplements can vary, so he built Momentous around a higher standard.
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Everything is NSF certified for sports, so what's on the label is actually what's in the tub.
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这也是为什么我多年来一直放心使用他们的产品。
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If you don't love it, they will give you your money back, plus they ship internationally.
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去年我请了Bellion上节目，他真的太厉害了，我是说，房间后面有把吉他，我当时就想，好吧。
Well, I had, Bellion on the show last year, and he's just so fucking I mean, there was a guitar in the backside of the room, I'm thinking, okay.
John，那个该死的Bellion。
John, motherfucking Bellion.
好吧。
Okay.
他指了指那把吉他。
Gestured to a guitar.
嘿。
Hey.
你知道，解释一下他是怎么做到的，他看了看那把吉他。
You know, explain how he did he looked at it.
他说，我不知道怎么弹那玩意儿。
He said, I don't know how play that thing.
不会吧。
No way.
他就说，我靠，这不是我的风格。
Well, he's like, I fucking this is not my it's not my bag.
就是说，我来这儿就是干这个的。
Like, I'm just here to do the thing.
但他跟我讲，他休息了很长时间，大概五年吧，完全不再自己制作或发行音乐，而且他一点都不在乎。
But he was telling me about how he'd taken all of his time off, five years maybe, this big breakaway from producing any publishing any music himself, and he just wasn't fussed.
他和唱片公司有过一次冲突，我觉得还挺公开的。
He had this altercation, pretty public altercation, I think, with his label.
他不想，就是不想玩那套游戏。
Didn't wanna I'm not gonna play the game.
就打算给别人做音乐，这样也挺好。
Just gonna make music for other people, and this would be great.
然后他就一首接一首地出好歌。
And he's just creating banger after banger.
我就问他，那你当时是怎么知道自己又想重新开始做音乐了？
And I said, well, how did you know that you wanted to get back into making music again?
他说，嗯，当我手里有一堆曲子要给来的艺人听的时候，就是那些我给他们剪的小样什么的，让他们听听看，我会发现自己，你知道的，一路听下去，听下去，然后我会在其中的几首上面双击一下。
He said, well, when I had my stack of tracks to show whichever artist was coming in, like little demos and stuff that I'd cut together for them, have a little listen to, I'd find myself, you know, going down, going down, and then I'd I double tap over the top of a couple of them.
然后他就说，那首是留给我的。
And he was like, that one's for me.
然后他能在脑海里听到那种几乎有点自私，或者也许更多是自信，或者那种占有欲又回来了，因为他想做那件事。
And then he could hear in the back of his mind this bit of almost kind of a selfishness or maybe a bit more swagger or kind of ownership coming back in because he wanted to do that.
但是，是的，我经常想到我很多写作的朋友。
But, yeah, I I think about, a lot of my friends that are writers.
你知道，他们给别人做类似代笔的工作，他们会塑造一些想法。
You know, they do versions of ghostwriting for people, and they'll shape ideas.
然后有时候他们会想出一个想法的综合。
And then sometimes they'll come up with the synthesis of an idea.
而且时不时地，他们会发一首自己的作品。
And every so often, they put out one.
他们会觉得有点委屈，因为没能用自己的名字发布，喜剧作家也是一样。
They feel a little bit aggrieved that they didn't get to put it under their own name, and the same goes for comedy writers.
你知道，你看到的那些吐槽大会，网上所有大型吐槽大会，现在很多喜剧演员都会在Instagram帖子的标题里公开。
You know, all of the roasts that you see, every big roast that you see online, a lot of comedians now are opening up in the caption of their Instagram post.
如果他们放上那种超大的、很火的片段，那完全就是抄袭的。
If they put one of these huge, big, like, clips up, they're completely ripped.
他们会在里面列出所有参与创作的编剧的名单。
They put the credits in there of all of the writers that have contributed.
那不是他们自己写的。
It's not them.
我本人就在这里。
I'm right here.
对吧，Jared？
Right, Jared?
就像，是不是
Like, is
因为我一直觉得，这就像说唱和喜剧一样。
because I I always thought it was like I always thought it was it was like rap and comedy.
就像，乡村音乐和流行音乐一样，他们都有词曲作者。
Like, like, country was like the country and pop were like they had writers.
维珍航空。
Ride Virgin.
我原以为，说唱和喜剧更像是你写什么就是什么。
I I thought, like, I thought, like, rap comedy was more like you are what you write.
不是。
No.
我的意思是，现在有多少巡演喜剧演员，你觉得，凭你的直觉，有多少巡演喜剧演员是在表演他们全部的段子？
I mean, what percentage of comedians now, touring comedians, do you think are using just off the top of your head, what percentage of touring comedians do you think are doing their entire sets?
不到10%？
Less than 10%?
不可能。
No way.
那太疯狂了。
That is crazy.
在吐槽大会上，我猜可能更少，这玩意儿得一大帮人才能搞出来。
At the roasts, I would probably guess probably less it's it's fucking armies of people to put this together.
我是说，你现在甚至能听到他们自己点破这事儿。
I mean I mean, you'll even hear them call it out now.
Shane在艾美奖上，嗯哼。
Shane at the Espees Uh-huh.
刚说了一句台词，然后他说，那句不是我的。
Just gave a line, and he said, I that wasn't mine.
那句不是我写的。
I didn't write that one.
就像，他在点破整个运作流程的幕后机制。
Like, he's calling out the meta of the whole engine process.
而且，对，我前几天又看到一个吐槽大会，Instagram上的标题居然有十行那么长。
And, yeah, I saw I saw another roast that came out a couple of days ago, and the fucking Instagram caption's 10 lines long.
太疯狂了。
It's crazy.
比如，编剧和其他贡献者。
Like, writers and then other contributors.
你知道，里面还有那只狗。
You know, it's got the dog in there.
每个人都被提到了，虽然你也可以说是编剧室。
Like, everybody's cut although you could say you could say the writer's room.
因为这不是纳什维尔的署名，否则你孩子会拍你肩膀说，嘿。
It's because it's not Nashville credits or else your kid would be, like, tapping you up saying, hey.
我当时在房间里，你
I was in the room when you were
在外面的时候。
out there.
那是我的33岁。
It was my 33.
兄弟，这太厉害了。
Dude, it's wow.
我不知道。
I don't know.
我觉得你之前说的对，我承认这是我的责任。
I I I think what you said earlier, I take ownership.
是的。
Yep.
我试着不觉得自己是个很自大的人，但我觉得我最引以为傲的可能是歌词。
And I try I don't think I'm a very egotistical person, but the one thing I think I do take pride in the most is probably the words.
就是，我也不知道。
And it's just I don't know.
还有，如果某人拿着一首绝对惊艳的歌来找我，问我愿不愿意唱，我在想这种情况。
And also just if somebody I'm trying to think, like if someone came up to me with just an absolute amazing song and was like, do you wanna sing this?
我从来没遇到过。
I've never had that.
我从来没遇到过。
I've never had that.
除了我弟弟布莱克，那首《Ramblin'》是例外。
Except for Blake, my brother, with Ramblin'.
我当时就觉得，这还用想吗。
And I was like, that's a no brainer.
咱们把它放进专辑里吧。
Let's put that on the album.
也许因为这首歌来自这么亲近的人，感觉会有点不一样。
Maybe it feels a little different that it's come from so close to own.
我想，也许即使是一个很会写歌的人，
And I guess may or even or even if it's a person that's just like a really great songwriting.
比如，我有这首歌，你来唱。
Like, I have this song when you sing it.
我就觉得，行啊。
I'm like, cool.
我没办法，你知道的，那就来吧。
I can't you know, let's do it.
我会做的。
I'll do it.
但反过来呢？
But What about in reverse?
你为别人写歌怎么样？
What about you writing for someone else?
我觉得还是所有权的问题。
Again, I I think it's the ownership thing.
比如，如果我写了一首我觉得特别好的歌，我几乎会到那种程度，就是如果我有副歌和主歌，只差一个小桥段，我几乎会想说，我很抱歉。
Like, I think if I write a song that I think is just so good, I almost get to the point where like, if I have a chorus and like a verse, and all I need is like a little bridge, and I'm almost like, I I'm so I'm sorry.
我真的不想在这上面帮忙。
Like, I really don't want help with this.
就是，我……
Like, I
因为你想拥有它。
Because you wanna own it.
我想让这首歌，对，我想把话说完。
I want this to be like, yeah, I I wanna complete my thought
这真是个很有意思的观点，我在写作中也发现了这一点，至少在写作领域是这样，而且可能越来越多地，它会开始渗透到音乐领域。
on That's a really interesting point, and I've found this with with writing that there is always, at least now in the world of writing, and maybe increasingly, it's gonna start creeping in in the world of music Mhmm.
AI的贡献。
The contribution of AI.
所以我有个想法，我最近一直在琢磨。
So I've got this idea that I'm I'm playing with at the moment.
我有个朋友，他不久前偶然遇到了他的前任。
I have a friend, and he bumped into an ex of his a little while ago.
他很久以前就决定不想再谈恋爱了。
And he made the decision that he didn't wanna be in a relationship anymore a good while back.
他确实做了很多功课，花了很多时间思考是否要离开，最后决定离开。
And he was certainly really done the work, spent a lot of time thinking about whether or not he wanted to to leave, decided to leave.
见到她之后，他完全被打乱了，只是偶然碰到她，他的脑子就乱成一团。
Saw her, gets completely knocked sideways, just bumps into her randomly, and his head's in a whole spin.
他说，我搞不明白，当时我怎么那么确定，现在又这么后悔。
And he was saying, I can't work out how I was so certain at the time and so regretful now.
对。
Yep.
心理学里有个概念，叫“情感衰退偏差”。
And there's an idea from psychology that's called the fading affect bias.
它说的是，不好的记忆会随着时间慢慢淡去，但好的记忆往往不会。
And what it says is that bad memories fade with time, but good ones don't tend to.
这挺好的，因为这意味着我们有一套心理免疫系统。
And that's great because it means we have a psychological immune system.
它能保护我们，不让我们一直被过去那些糟糕的事情困扰。
It protects us from being still at the mercy of some horrible thing that happened in our past.
对。
Yep.
你十岁时养的狗死了，但到了十五岁，那种痛就没那么强烈了。
Your dog dies when you're 10, but when you're 15, it doesn't sting quite so much.
那真是太好了。
Hooray for that.
你有一个心理免疫系统。
You have a psychological immune system.
你会让自己保持距离。
You distance yourself.
你会分散自己的注意力。
You distract yourself.
你还有重新框架的能力。
You have, reframes.
悲剧加上时间就等于喜剧，对。
Tragedy plus time equals comedy Yeah.
这差不多是心理学最接近算法的一个说法了。
Is about as close to an algorithm that psychology's got.
所以坏事会随着时间慢慢淡去。
So bad things fade with time.
好事往往不会这样。
Good things tend not to so much.
而且事实上，有时候坏事反而会变得有点好笑。
And in fact, sometimes bad things can kinda become funny.
你可能有一个悲惨的情况，将来却变得好笑。
You can have a tragic situation that becomes funny in future.
但当你年纪稍长时，这种心理机制的一个奇怪副作用是，你以为智慧会随着年龄增长而积累。
But one of the weird side effects of this, as you get a little bit older, is that you assume wisdom compounds with age.
我年纪越大，知道的越多。
As I get older, I know more.
但在情感方面，你年纪越大，离证据就越远。
But in matters of emotion, as you get older, you're just further from the evidence.
所以他遇到的情况是，未来的他比过去的他掌握的信息更少。
So what he had encountered was a situation where a future version of him had less information than a previous version of him.
那个更接近情感的人，更清楚不完全投入这段关系是什么感觉，不确定是什么感觉，坐在沙发上无话可说是什么感觉，总是带着担心上床睡觉，不确定自己是否做了正确的决定。
The person that was closer to the emotion understood what it felt like to not fully be in this relationship, to be uncertain, to be sat on the couch and not have anything to talk about, to always be going to bed worried about whether or not who's making the right decision.
而现在的他并没有更多经验。
And the version of him now isn't more experienced.
他们离事实更远了。
They're further from the evidence.
我当时就想，靠。
And I was like, fuck.
我特别喜欢，我特别喜欢这种记忆消退偏差。
I love like, I I love the fading affect bias.
我从一个朋友那里听来了这个故事。
I've got this story from a friend.
我给他发了一连串的短信，跟他说，要相信之前的你在为未来的你做出正确的安排。
Sent him this, like, series of texts, and I was like, trust that the previous version of you was stewarding the future version of you appropriately.
就是说，你相信你当时是为你自己着想的吗？那真是个好问题。
Like, do you trust that you had your best interest in mind That's a great
当时。
the time.
这个想法我他妈的纠结了好久了。
And I've been fucking fighting with this idea for ages.
昨天是我的写作日。
And yesterday is my writing day.
本来是星期天的写作日。
It was Sunday's writing day.
所以我坐下来，我他妈的写了一千字，但其实只需要五百字。
So I'm sitting down, and I've got fucking a thousand and it only needs to be 500 words.
需要是一篇简短的小文章，要精炼。
It needs to be short little essay, snappy.
基本上就是我刚才说的那些，稍微整理一下。
That, basically, what I just said, a little bit more formed.
结果我写了两千字的废话。
And I've got a 2,000 words of just, like, bullshit.
然后我就想，我可以把这个扔给ChatGPT。
And I'm like, I can throw this in the ChatGPT.
把它放到深度研究里，它会拿我的文字，把它们整理好，串成一段流畅的内容。
Put it on deep research, and it'll take my words, and it'll it'll put them together, put them into a flow.
也许它会给我讲一个关于查尔斯·达尔文的故事，那就搞定了。
Maybe it'll tell me a story about Charles Darwin, it'll be done.
我知道如果我那么做，今天就能把文章写出来。
And I knew that if I did that, I would get the essay out today.
但事实并非如此，这对订阅了通讯的人来说，真是个大惊喜。
It didn't but shock horror for the people that subscribed to the newsletter.
今天没有发出去。
It didn't go out today.
是别的内容。
It was something else.
我发了别的东西，那个写起来更容易。
I put something else up that was easier for me to write.
我没那么做的原因是，那个想法一旦写出来，就永远定型了。
The reason that I didn't do it was that that idea will be concretized for the rest of time.
那会成为我以后参考的东西，不管是我起的名字还是故事，还是它的结构，或者我用的例子，都会一直留在我脑子里。
That will be the reference that I use for whatever the name is I come up with it or the story, the way that it's formed, the examples I use, and they stick in my mind.
而且我会一直知道，那不是我自己做的。
And I'll always know that it wasn't me that did it.
我会一直知道，那道菜最后那点睛之笔不是我自己加的。
I'll always know that it wasn't me that put the fucking finishing garnish on the dish.
所有辛苦的活儿都是我干的，就最后那一下不是。
I did all of the hard work, and there was this bit at the end.
我在想，这会不会是自尊心在作祟。
And I wonder whether that might be ego.
我觉得很可能就是自尊心的问题。
I think it probably could be ego that
但我也觉得，这就像是你已经能看到世界在往哪个方向走。
would But I also think it's like this it's this you see where the world is going a little bit with with it.
我是说，现在你连打开手机都难，它就一直求着你说，让我来帮你做吧。
I mean, you like, you can't even open your phone without it just begging to be like, let me do it for you.
你甚至不能，比如有人给你发邮件，我甚至还没
You can't even like, someone will email you, and I haven't even
读它。
read it.
你想让我替你回复吗？
Do you want me to respond to it on your behalf?
我不得不把手机上的这个功能关掉。
I had to turn it off on my phone.
它一直在给我总结消息。
It was like summarizing my messages.
我就想，什么？
And I'm like, what?
我就自己读一下。
I'm just gonna read it.
就像，嘿，我收到了一封回复邮件。
Like, hey, I got an email reply.
这个回复怎么样？
How about this reply?
然后就是一大段回复。
And it's this whole reply.
我觉得我们，至少我自己，有点那种渴望。
And I think I think we're in a a at least I am.
就是那种渴望，觉得动脑子思考真的很棒。
I am It's like this yearning to be like, it's so great to work your mind.
你得试着去动脑子。
You have to try to work your mind.
因为，兄弟，我觉得在巡演的时候，有些日子就这么过去了。
Because, dude, I feel like there's days that go by when I'm on tour.
我就像在自动驾驶一样。
I'm on autopilot.
我并没有做什么有意义的事情。
I'm not I'm I'm not doing anything beneficial.
我会累。
I get tired.
我就一直刷手机。
I'm just on my phone.
我在刷那些负面新闻。
I'm doomscrolling.
然后我就觉得，我一天比一天笨。
And like, I'm like, I'm getting dumber by the day.
就是，我好像，认知上没变快。
Like, I just like, I'm not Getting cognitively fast.
而且，对，确实。
And I'm I'm not yeah.
我没有在锻炼我的大脑。
I'm not exercising my mind.
我不是说要把这事搞得多大，好像非得说，天哪，我得锻炼我的什么什么。
Like, I'm not and I'm I'm not trying to make it this big thing where I'm like, you know, God, exercise my whatever.
不过说真的，我就是渴望有那个证明。
But yeah, I think I just yearn for having that stamp.
而且那真的是很大的成就。
And like, it's such an accomplishment.
从小长大就是这样，所以才有那么多人反对参与奖。
Growing up as a kid, that's why so many people are against participation trophies.
我自己也是其中之一。
I'm in there myself.
我也反对过，因为没有什么比真正拿到手的感觉更好了。
Was against it of just there's not a better feeling than when you do get it.
靠实力赢。
Earn the win.
靠实力赢。
Earn the win.
而不是那种“我们都是赢家”的说法。
Instead of being like, we're all winners.
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