回顾从迪拜、新德里等地的一周

早上好，来自苏黎世。

Good morning from Zurich.

您正在收听《Monocle周日版》，我是泰勒·布鲁勒。

You're listening to Monocle on Sunday with me, Tyler Bruellet.

在今天的节目中，我们将重返杜福尔街。

Coming up on today's program, we are back in Dufour Strasse.

我不确定已经过去多久了。

I don't know how long it's been.

我们稍后会联系艾玛，但今天马库斯·谢尔格在这里，和我们聊聊市场营销的方方面面，也许还会涉及一点地缘政治。

We'll check with Emma in a moment, but Marcus Scherger, is here to talk about all things marketing, maybe a little bit of geopolitics day.

当然，在安全与地缘政治领域，我们的特派记者戈拉娜·格吉奇今天早上也来到了现场。

Certainly, in the world of security, and geopolitics, Our correspondent on that beat, Gorana Grgiuch is here this morning.

早上好。

Good morning.

很高兴见到你。

Very nice to see you.

在你所关注的这个领域，总是有一段缓慢的时期。

Always, a slow week, in this orbit that you cover.

是的。

Yeah.

我们从一场战争转向另一场战争。

We go from war to war.

我想上一次我们见面时，谈的全是委内瑞拉的事情。

I think last time we met, it was all things Venezuela.

当然，我们现在深陷中东局势，而过去一周则出现了大量跨区域的伙伴关系——有些早在伊朗问题之前就已形成，但许多则是由针对伊朗或伊朗相关的战争所引发的连锁反应造成的。

Of course, we are in deep in The Middle East, and the past week was just a sort of plethora of different cross theater friendships, some forged way before Iran, but some very much are the product of the ripple effects, that the war in, Iran or against Iran has caused.

从欧盟与澳大利亚的自由贸易协定，到乌克兰、沙特阿拉伯的防务合作，再到印度、俄罗斯、白俄罗斯、朝鲜、菲律宾、中国——随便你挑一个感兴趣的。

So everything from, EU Australia free trade deal, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia defense cooperation, India, Russia, Belarus, DPRK, Philippines, China, pick your, favorite.

嗯，但也许在这接下来的五十八分钟里，这些还不足以全面覆盖。

Well, yeah, but maybe it won't be enough across these next fifty eight minutes.

我们还将前往科里萨湾，采访那里的记者因扎曼·拉希德，并带来来自印度的最新消息。

We'll also be heading to the Gulf Of Corissa talking to our correspondent there, Inzamam Rashid, and we'll be getting the latest from India.

我是《Monocle》驻新德里的记者林迪·普里基特，今天将讨论邦选举的激烈竞选、印度超级联赛 cricket 的惊人估值，以及德里新机场。

I'm Lyndee Prickitt, Monocle's correspondent in New Delhi, and I'll be talking about intense campaigning for state elections, eye popping valuations of IPL cricket, and Delhi's new airport.

日期是2026年3月29日。

It's the 03/29/2026.

来自苏黎世的现场直播。

Live from Zurich.

欢迎收听《Monocle》周日版。

This is Monocle on Sunday.

来自苏黎世的现场直播。

Live from Zurich.

欢迎收听由泰勒·布雷莱主持的《Monocle》周日版。

This is Monocle on Sunday with Tyler Brulay.

早上好，这里是苏黎世，今天的苏黎世相当阴沉，并非我们原本期待的那种阳光明媚、春日时钟调整后的景象。

And good morning, from Zurich, a rather gray Zurich, not, sort of the the sunny sort of early springtime clocks changed, Zurich that we would, we were sort of hoping for.

有点潮湿，有点灰暗，但我们还是会保持积极和明朗。

A little bit damp, a little bit gray, but, we're gonna keep it perky and sunny.

人满为患。

Very, full house.

早上好，欢迎所有今天聚集在杜福尔街的朋友们。

Good morning to everyone who's gathered, of course, here at Dufour Strasse this morning.

这是一档现场节目。

Very much, a live, program.

非常高兴地告诉大家，马库斯·谢尔格在这里，他是副教授。

Very happy to say, Marcus Scherger is here, associate, professor.

他专注于营销领域，但我也必须说声恭喜，因为你又接了新工作。

Really looking after the world of marketing, but I I think we have to say also congratulations because you've got a new gig, as well.

负责Yes。

Looking after Yes.

负责瑞士营销这个庞大的世界，你知道的，是的。

Looking after the world that big world of of Swiss marketing, you know Yeah.

而且，可能还要抱歉地提到，我们之前也听到了一些关于巧克力消失的事。

And and maybe sorry trying to curb disappearing chocolates, as well as we heard a a little a little bit earlier.

但至少人们仍然在做营销，营销依然在运作。

But at least people still at least marketing is still working.

人们似乎仍然想要奇巧巧克力。

People still want KitKatz, it sounds like.

至少是这样。

At least.

他们甚至还做了一个新的，我的新职位是瑞士市场营销协会的主席，更多是侧重于实践层面，将来自不同公司的知识整合在一起。

They they even do one more, but my my new post is president of the Swiss Society of Marketing, and it's more the practical side and bringing together the knowledge from all the different companies.

而且，是的，讨论那些推动市场营销发展、为瑞士品牌带来改变的话题。

And, yeah, discussing those topics that should be moving marketing around and moving the needle for for the brands in Switzerland.

是的。

Yeah.

我们稍后会谈到这个话题，因为这当然是一个关于移动性的世界，人们需要从地球的一端到另一端。

We'll be talking about that very topic a little bit because, you know, this is a world, of course, of mobility, people having to get from one side of the planet to the other.

当然，冲突也为某些地区带来了机遇等等。

The opportunities, of course, that conflicts also present for certain geographies, etcetera as well.

当然，有一位专家将帮助我们理清这一切。

Someone who's gonna be, of course, helping us wade through all of that.

我们的安全记者戈拉娜·格吉奇也在这里。

Our security correspondent, Gorana Grgiuch, is also here.

早上好。

Good morning.

我们在节目一开始时就听到了你的发言。

We heard from you at the top of the program.

你那里有一叠笔记。

You've got a sheaf of notes there.

要谈的事情很多，但我想回到之前新闻头条上提到的那件事——没错，就是那辆被劫持、失踪的卡车，上面载着十几吨的奇巧巧克力。

Many things to cover, but I wish I wanna go back to, what was in the news headlines earlier on about this, yeah, obviously, this this this truck, that was hijacked, disappeared, whatever, with all of these these 12 plus tons of of KitKats in it.

你认为这会不会就是瑞士国家储备中的那批货？

Do you think that was is that what's probably in the national supply?

因为我们总听说瑞士有六个月的巧克力库存。

Because we're always told in Switzerland that there is a, what, a six month stockpile of of chocolate.

我们一直以为瑞士储存了六个月的咖啡以及日常生活中所需的所有必需品。

We're we're led to believe there's six months of of coffee and all of the essentials you need in daily life.

你认为瑞士会储存奇巧巧克力吗？

Do you think do you think they're storing Kit Kats in this country?

我最初的反应是：我们难道还没受够吗？或者我们不是已经面对着这一大堆麻烦了吗？比如石油冲击、潜在的供应危机等等。

So my initial reaction was haven't we suffered enough, or aren't we already, like, looking at this sort of mountain of trouble, with all the oil shocks and potential, you know, like, the just secretion that might be looming and all that.

但说实话，我不太确定瑞士是否真的有巧克力战略储备。

But to be honest, I'm not quite sure about the strategic reserve of chocolate that Switzerland has.

我想可能会有一些保障措施，比如每个公民都有权获得黑巧克力、牛奶巧克力，或者任何他们喜欢的类型。

I think probably there would be some provision, you know, or a right of every citizen to have their dark or milk or whatever sort of floats their boat.

但更严肃地说，最近很多人都在讨论动用战略储备、保持系统弹性，尤其是在石油等能源方面。

But on a more serious note, days, talk of tapping into strategic reserves, having that sort of slack in the system and reserves, particularly when it comes to hydrocarbons is on a lot of people's minds.

我一直在密切关注印度-太平洋地区的情况。

I'm following a lot what's going on around most of the Indo Pacific specifically.

我必须说，那里的形势相当严峻。

And I have to say that things are quite dire.

你知道，澳大利亚目前大约只剩下三十六到三十七天的燃料了。

So, you know, Australia has about thirty six, thirty seven days of fuel left at the moment.

菲律宾已经宣布进入紧急状态。

Philippines has already declared the state of emergency.

所以我认为，我们正处在一个脱离正常轨道的世界中。

So I think we are looking at a world that, is, is, fallen out of the sort of tracks.

我们已经经历过这些冲击，但这一次，相比乌克兰和俄罗斯的情况，或许正向我们展示着全球五分之一的碳氢化合物供应被挟持时的真实后果。

We've already had these sort of shocks, but this one compared to Ukraine, Russia is maybe, you know, showing us what really this one fifth of the global supply of hydro carbons is doing when, they're held hostage.

我们马上将连线阿联酋的记者，但在那之前，让我们继续谈谈囤积物资的话题，听听我们在伦敦的主编安德鲁·塔克的情况。

We're gonna go to The UAE, in a moment to speak to our correspondent there, but, just let's stay in the world of stockpiling things, and check-in with our editor in chief, Andrew Tuck, who is, in in London.

安德鲁，你家里有没有囤什么东西？

Andrew, anything that you're hoarding, in the Larder?

没有。

No.

不过我想说，泰勒，这周我刚去苏黎世短暂见过你。

But I was gonna say, Tyler, I I I came to see you, briefly in Zurich this week.

当我离开苏黎世机场时，我觉得你不必担心巧克力会短缺。

And when I I left Zurich Airport, I don't think you have to worry about any shortage of chocolate.

只要去苏黎世机场就行了。

Just go go to Zurich Airport.

大家都知道，当你离开苏黎世机场时，尤其是如果要返回英国，你会经过一片由三角巧克力组成的阿尔卑斯山景观，我觉得你已经有足够的巧克力了。

As everyone will know, as you depart Zurich Airport, especially if you're head heading back to The UK, you kind of leave through a kind of a an Alpine landscape of Toblerones, and I think you've got enough chocolate.

所以我觉得你不用担心奇巧巧克力。

So I think you're gonna don't worry about the KitKats.

我会没事的。

I'll I'll be fine.

但不管怎样，听我说。

But, anyway, listen.

我今晚要去海湾地区的记者那里。

I'm I'm heading to see our correspondent, in in The Gulf this evening.

不过，安德鲁，也许我们可以看看英国的报纸头版。

But, Andrew, maybe just, I guess but let's look at the front pages of of The UK.

但在那之前，你知道，你之前在瑞士。

But before that, I mean, you know, here you were in Switzerland.

当然，你离得更近了。

You're, of course, you're a step closer.

再往东一点点，也就是朝正在发生的一切——当然包括乌克兰，还有海湾地区——更近了一些。

That little bit further east, you know, towards everything that is happening, of course, Ukraine, but also in in The Gulf as as well.

但与此同时，确实也有不少其他事情。

But at the same time, yeah, there's a number of things as well.

但我有时觉得，你往西走得越远，这场冲突就显得越遥远。

And I sometimes feel like the further west you move, that conflict becomes just that little bit more distance.

它 simply 就不在人们的首要关注范围内。

Just it's just simply not not top of not top of mind.

但如果我们今天早上看看英国的头版新闻，那里有什么头条新闻？

But if we were to look at the front pages in The UK this morning, what's making headlines there?

嗯，引起头版关注的正是海湾地区正在发生的事情。

Well, it it is what's happening in The Gulf that is making the front pages.

我认为他们在这里关注的是戈拉娜刚才提到的所有故事，这对我们的能源安全意味着什么？

I think that they're looking here, of course, all the stories that Gorana was just saying here, what would it mean for our fuel security?

目前这里不太恐慌，但他们表示担心在未来几天，人们可能会涌向加油站，开始大量加油，从而耗尽现有的储备。我昨天没看到这种情况，但他们确实有这种担忧。

I think less panic here at the moment, but they're they are saying that they were concerned that in the coming days, there may be, I I didn't see it yesterday, but they're fearing that people will rush the, the petrol stations and and start filling up and and diminishing the reserves there are.

但我认为这里还没有真正陷入恐慌。

But I don't think there's that that there's any real panic here setting in.

你知道，全世界都在讨论的所有问题，这里也同样在上演。

You know, the all the questions are, playing out across the world are playing out here.

这里已经发生了反犹太袭击事件。

There's there's been antisemitic attacks.

因此，人们正在思考这场战争将如何继续加剧这种情况，以及警方能做些什么来保护这个国家的犹太人。

So people are wondering how the war is going to continue to feed into that and what the police can do to protect, Jewish people in this country.

这关乎我们武装力量的准备程度。

That it's it's the nature of how prepared we are with our armed forces.

因此，这场辩论仍在继续，因为坦白说，我们感觉有点措手不及。

So that debate is continuing because it feels that we are a little bit on the back foot, to put it mildly.

我认为，这场波斯湾危机所引发的另一个有趣问题是，它对我们长期能源安全意味着什么。

And I think the other interesting thing which is triggered by this this this crisis in The Gulf is what it means for our energy security long term.

因此，这里又出现了争论：我们是否应该重返北海，尝试开采更多的石油和天然气？

So there's the debate here again about should we be going back to the North Sea and and trying to drill for more oil and gas?

这是否正是我们应该对特朗普先生说‘对不起，您错了’的时刻？

Is there or is this the moment actually when you say, sorry, mister Trump, you're wrong.

如果我们当初忽视了石油世界，转而大力投资可再生能源，我们的能源安全反而会更有保障。

This we if we we would be more secure with our energy, if only we had, ignored the the world of oil and invested more heavily in renewables.

我想请出我们在波斯湾的记者因扎姆·拉希德。

And and I just want to, bring in, Inzam Rashid, our correspondent, in in The Gulf.

因扎姆，早上好。

Inzam, good morning.

我不确定你目前是从哪里连线的。

I'm not sure where you're joining us from.

你是在阿布扎比吗？

Are you in, are you in Abu Dhabi?

你在迪拜吗？

Are you in Dubai?

你是在那个小国家更远的地方吗？

Are you somewhere, further flung in, in that small state?

早上好，泰勒。

Morning, Tyler.

是的。

Yeah.

我在迪拜，坐在阳台上，俯瞰着一处地点——它被列入伊朗的轰炸目标清单，基本上是一个能源设施，就在杰贝勒阿里港附近。这个地方以前曾被袭击过，但目前看起来相当平静。

In Dubai, on my balcony, overlooking one of the, the sites, which is a hit list on the, Iranian, target list to, to bomb essentially, an energy site overlooking it right now at Jebel Ali Port, which, has been targeted before, but, right now, it seems quite calm.

为了让我了解一下情况，能给我稍微更新一下吗？因为在上节目前，我们正在讨论机场的情况。

And just to tell me, bring us a little bit up to speed because before we went on air, we were talking about, of course, what is, you know, happening with airports.

往北走，你知道的，巴林仍然关闭，我想花点时间谈谈影响，稍后我也想请马库斯谈谈这个问题。

The further north you go, of course, you know, Bahrain, still closed, and and I wanna spend a little bit of time about the impact, and and I wanna bring Marcus, you know, on on this, as well in a moment.

当然，你在这里，像海湾航空这样的国家航空公司，从巴林出发，已经停飞了部分航班，转而使用沙特阿拉伯的机场。

But, of course, you're here, you have then a state carrier like like Gulf Air out of Bahrain, pretty much grounded some flights that they that they are using airports, out of Saudi Arabia.

当然，来自多哈的卡塔尔航空，航班安排和我们平时的不一样。

Of course, Qatar Airways out of Doha simply, you know, not the same schedule that that we're used to.

而你在迪拜，航班进出正常。

And then you there there you are in Dubai, flights in and out.

我们有一些同事昨晚刚落地。

We have some colleagues, who who landed last night.

另一位同事今天下午要起飞。

Another colleague who's flying this afternoon.

我今晚要去阿布扎比。

I'm heading to Abu Dhabi this evening.

阿提哈德航空当然也在正常运营。

Etihad, of course, you know, up up and running, as well.

但只是想让你说说当前的整体状况，给我们一点感受和氛围。

But just the the state the state and maybe just give us sort of a flavor and, and feeling.

我觉得还有一点，就是你是否感受到我们现在处于一种暂停状态，Inzee？目前一切看似平静，但前方似乎有什么即将发生，这不仅仅是简单的问题，而是关乎飞机能否顺利加油——无论是在当地加油，还是在印度加油。

And I think also just that sense of of impact that do you feel that, we're in the sort of suspended state right now, Inzee, that, okay, things are fine for the moment, but there is something around the corner, which also just not I'm not saying as simple as, but just the whole notion of of being able to refuel aircraft, whether they're, you know, of course, fueling up there or or over over in India.

我不知道。

I no.

我想我们失去Inzee了。

I think we've lost we've lost our Inzee.

安德鲁，我们稍后回来找你，现在先试着把Inzee连回来。

Andrew, we'll we'll come back to you just while we try to get Inzee back on the line.

就你所说的那种感觉而言，你说没有恐慌，但我很好奇英国这边的叙事是怎样的，因为你知道，今天早上来看，有一种感觉，英国确实需要重整军备，这与一个高调的新闻有关，比如调动“龙”号护卫舰，最终将其派往波斯湾或东地中海。

Just tell me on that sense of that feeling of you saying no panic, but I'm wondering the narrative, as well, in in the in The UK because, you know, on one side, you know, if you look at the the time this morning, there's this sense of, yes, The UK needs to rearm with this with this in this high high profile story about, you know, mobilizing HMS Dragon, getting this this frigate out to the Gulf at final or out to the out to the Eastern Mediterranean that finally happened.

目前似乎存在一些混乱。

There seems to be some of this this confusion right now.

当然，英国需要加大投入，当然也需要对首相施加巨大压力来这么做。

Of course, UK needs to to step up, needs to to spend a lot of pressure, of course, on the prime minister to do so.

大家都在说，你们到底什么时候才会彻底放开呢？

And everyone's saying, well, at what point are you gonna sort of open the spigot?

没错，正是如此。

Well, exactly.

而且我认为，你知道，泰勒，任何额外的国防经费，都需要很长时间才能真正落实到部队中。

And I think that, you know, as you know, Tyler, any any any additional funding for our armed services, it takes a long, long time for that to work through the services.

所以我们的战备状态不会出现任何显著的改变。

So it it it's not gonna be any any dramatic change in our preparedness.

我们此前的表现显得非常被动。

And we have looked terribly on the back foot.

我们原本指望法国能在塞浦路斯沿海部署护卫舰，而那里正是我们拥有基地的地方。

We were depending on the French to have, you know, frigates off the coast of Cyprus where we we have, bases.

这看起来并不理想。

It didn't look good.

我认为英国皇家空军确实具备一些能力，但今天早上他们也开始讨论，准备派遣配备反水雷设备的舰船前往该地区。

And and I think the RAF has done done some some has some skills, but they are now talking to this morning about also preparing ships heading to the region with kind of, anti mine, equipment.

所以他们正在逐步跟上节奏。

So they're they're beginning to get up to speed.

但这里的问题在于，基思·达默并不想卷入这场战争，也不认为这是一场他所宣布的战争，他觉得自己是被唐纳德·特朗普拖入其中的。

But the the issue here is, of course, that Kyuss Dahmer does not want to be involved in this war and doesn't believe that it's a war that he he's declared and feels that he's being dragged into it, by Donald Trump.

所以这并不是一场我认为会以某种方式展开的战争，有趣的是，右翼阵营内部似乎也出现了分裂，而通常情况下，他们会一致支持美国领导人。

So it's not a war that I think is gonna be in a way, what's fascinating here is is the right, I think, is also split, whereas normally, they would all fall in in behind the the US leader.

他们本应坚定地支持我们的国防。

They would be very, strong on on our defense.

但就连他本人，许多右翼人士也觉得，实际上，叙事权并不掌握在我们手中。

But even him, many people on the right are feeling that, actually, the the narrative isn't being set by us.

我们正被拖入一个我们并未发起的故事中。

We are being pulled into a story that we didn't start.

而且，实际上根本没有退出的途径，我们也看不到任何退出的可能。

And, actually, there's no there's no off ramp, and we can't see where that off ramp is.

所以我认为，当你阅读媒体时，尽管我确实属于保守党，但似乎它决心宣称：特朗普想要什么，我们就该提供什么。

So I think, actually, when you read the press, whilst whilst I'm certainly in in the conservative party, it seemed to be determined to say that, look, what mister Trump wants, we we should supply.

我认为，实际上在报纸的评论文章中，人们并不确定自己是否真的想卷入这场战争。

I think, actually, you you you see in the opinion pieces, in the paper that, actually, people are not that sure that they really want to be involved in this.

我认为，这种平静某种程度上是因为公众层面根本没有真正的讨论。

And I think that's that's in a way that the the calm about it is because there's no there's no real debate going on with the pub with the public.

我们还没有看到类似伊拉克战争那样的反应，当时街头曾出现大规模的示威活动。

We haven't seen the kinds of responses to, like, the Iraq war where you saw the kinds of demonstrations on our streets.

确实有一些，但规模远不及那时。

There have been there have been, but nothing at that level.

我认为许多人对这场战争的意义感到有些不确定。

And I think that many people are just a bit unsure about what this war means.

这反映的不是恐慌的缺乏，而是一种轻微的不协调感。

And that's reflected in not not not a lack of panic, but just a little bit of dissonance from it.

戈拉娜，是的。

Gorana, this is yeah.

我有个有趣的问题想问你。

This is a a curious question for you.

在这件事上，难道不能只‘半怀’孕吗？

Can't can't you be half pregnant, when it comes, to this topic?

因为正如安德鲁所说，他们当然认为这关乎英国和许多其他国家。

Because as and and Andrew saying, you know, they they, of course, see this is The UK and many other countries.

他们不想被卷入这场战争。

They don't wanna be dragged into this.

但与此同时，无论你是在拉姆施泰因空军基地，还是在英国的费尔福德，这些国家作为东道主，仅仅在幕后提供物资支持，就扮演着极其重要的角色。

But at the same time, you know, whether you go to Ramstein, airbase, whether you're at Fairford in in in The UK, you you you these countries are playing an enormous role just simply as as hosts on on one side, material, you know, support in the background, all all of these things.

我们这里说的不是地面部队，但同时我们也知道，拦截任务等行动正在开展。

Now we're not talking about boots on the ground, but but we know as well at same time that there are interception missions going on, etcetera.

所以，这是否意味着……是的。

There there is this so is it yeah.

当你看看伦敦、巴黎和柏林所传递的叙事时，这是否是一种有点半途而废的反应呢？

Is it a little bit sort of a half baked response, when when you look at whether it's whether it's a narrative out of London versus Paris versus versus Berlin?

我想说的是，从美国的盟友来看，无论是在欧洲还是远至东亚太平洋地区，他们的反应都一致地体现了他们希望在危机管理以及应对那些从未征求过他们意见的行动的后续影响中扮演的角色。

What I would say is that we saw from US allies, and I would say across theatres, so from Europe all the way to East Asia Pacific, a response which is consistent with this sort of role they want to play more in terms of crisis management and dealing with the after effects of a mission that they were never consulted on.

他们并不想被明确卷入，没有任何一个盟友——无论是北约还是亚洲盟友——表示愿意参与这场军事行动，因为他们从未被征询过意见。

They don't want to be explicitly there was no one of these allies, whether it's NATO again, whether it's Asian allies that has said that they want to be part of the military mission because they were never consulted on.

战略目标并不明确。

It wasn't clear what the strategic objectives were.

他们一直在改变。

They keep on changing.

也没有明确的退出策略。

There is no clear exit strategy as well.

我们一再推迟这个日期，而他们目前显然不希望参与任何谈判。

We keep on pushing that date, and they certainly don't want to be part at the moment of any kind of negotiations.

我们并未看到这种调解角色由巴基斯坦、埃及，以及一定程度上的土耳其承担。

We don't see this sort of role for mediation that's taken up by mostly to date Pakistan, Egypt, to an extent Turkey.

因此，如果我们从北约的角度来看，土耳其或许能发挥一定作用，但绝非以这种制度化的方式。

So Turkey, maybe if we kind of look at it through that prism of of NATO has some role to play, but certainly not in that kind of institutional sense.

我说，你完全正确。

What I would say, you're absolutely right.

这些盟友对于美国而言依然至关重要，无论是在情报共享方面——通过五眼联盟及其他各种渠道，还是在空中加油方面，因为我们知道，所有这些装备在前往中东的过程中，都必须经过欧洲的许多港口或在欧洲的基地停靠。

These allies are still crucial for The United States when it comes to everything from intelligence sharing through Five Eyes and various other means for refueling because we know that all of these assets when they were moving actually to the Middle East had to pass through a lot of ports or had to actually stop at bases that are in Europe.

这也引发了一些不满，尤其是在特朗普政府时期，西班牙的情况尤为突出。

And this has also caused some of the the peeves, most notably with Spain we saw in Trump administration.

因此，美国盟友及其联盟体系的遗产无疑正在发挥作用。

So there is no way, of course, that the legacy of US allies actually allied system is not playing a role.

但现在的问题是，这些国家愿意为与一场他们最初根本不想参与的战争产生关联而承担多大的政治代价。

But now the question is, to what extent they are willing to pay political cost of being associated with a war that they never wanted actually in the first place.

他们不喜欢伊朗政权，但到目前为止对此事的处理方式，绝对不符合任何与盟友协商制定的预案。

They don't like the Iranian regime, but the way that this has been handled so far is definitely not according to any sort of playbook that has been made in consultation with allies.

因此，我们将会看到——也已经看到——许多关于缓和局势以及第二天确保霍尔木兹海峡安全的举措，对吧？

So what we will see and what we've already seen is a lot of initiatives around a de escalation and then be securing the Strait Of Hormuz on the day after, right?

目前没有任何一个盟友愿意派遣海军力量来实际保障商船的通行，对吧？

So there is no one of allies that is now prepared to send their naval assets to actually secure passage for commercial ships, right?

对于商船而言，当它们知道自己在该区域极易受到攻击和暴露时。

For merchant ships, when they know that they can be very vulnerable and exposed there.

而且，当再次没有任何保障时，我们已知美国正在派遣——或者一些部队已经派遣——第八十二空降师。

And then when there are actually no guarantees over again, what is the strategy we know now US is sending, or they're already some of them are already their eighty second airborne.

所以，空降部队，你知道的，海军陆战队、特种作战部队。

So, parachuting troops, you know, marines, special ops.

下一步是什么，对吧？

What is the next step, right?

这是在升级的阶梯上吗？

Is it up on the escalation ladder?

我们会看到地面部队登陆哈尔格岛吗？甚至有人提到伊斯法罕——那是其中一个核设施，对吧？

Are we going to see maybe boots on the ground on Harg Island or some have even said in Isfahan which is one of the nuclear sites, right?

这又会如何激化伊朗，使其可能继续升级，横向扩大冲突，比如袭击地区目标，当然还有任何可能在附近的人？

And what will this do to then again provoke the Iranians to potentially escalate, keep on escalating horizontally, right, by striking regional targets and of course anyone else who might be found in in the vicinity.

我们的因扎姆·拉希德现在从迪拜连线回来。

Our Inzam Rashid is back on the line in in Dubai.

抱歉刚才断线了，但如果你刚才听到了我的问题，我想稍后再回到这一点，不过我们先回到霍尔木兹海峡。

Sorry to have lost you there, but maybe if you if you caught my question a bit, a bit earlier, I wanna come back to that in a moment, but just let's go back to the Strait Of Hormuz.

昨晚看到泰国外交部与德黑兰达成了一项协议，允许他们的船只安全通过霍尔木兹海峡。

Saw overnight, that Thailand's foreign ministry have cut some type of deal with Tehran, where there will be permission for for their vessels to pass safely through the state of of Hormuz.

因扎姆，是不是有一份清单，列出了其他一些不结盟国家？我们知道泰国与许多国家关系友好，这些国家要么积极与德黑兰接触，要么至少保持热线畅通，正在试图私下达成协议。

Is there a bit of a laundry list, Inzia, of of other countries who, of course, non aligned, and we know that Thailand is friends with with many nations who are also actively in Tehran or or certainly keeping the the phone lines warm, trying to cut side deals right now.

当然。

Absolutely.

我的意思是，昨天伊朗外长和巴基斯坦外长还宣布，未来十天左右将允许20艘巴基斯坦籍船只通过霍尔木兹海峡。

I mean, there was also an announcement yesterday from Iran's foreign, minister minister and Pakistan's foreign minister that they would allow 20 vessels over the next ten days or so of Pakistani flag vessels through the Strait Of Hormuz.

正如戈拉娜提到的，我们知道巴基斯坦目前正扮演某种调解者和沟通者的角色。

Obviously, we know as Gorana mentioned Pakistan playing some form of mediator communicator role right now.

目前，埃及、土耳其、巴基斯坦和沙特阿拉伯的外长正在伊斯兰堡举行会谈，讨论降级事宜。

There's foreign ministers of Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia currently inside Islamabad having discussions today talking about de escalation.

我们也知道，巴基斯坦正在美国和伊朗之间传递信息。

We know that Pakistan's passing notes between The US and Iran as well.

是的，确实有不少国家正在打电话给德黑兰，试图让船只通过霍尔木兹海峡，因为这目前是唐纳德·特朗普最大的麻烦。

So yes, there are definitely a number of countries picking up the phone to speak to Tehran to try and get vessels passed through the Straits Of Hormuz because that right now is the biggest headache for Donald Trump.

是的，你正看到导弹朝海湾地区的美军基地飞来。

Yes, you've got missiles coming towards US bases across The Gulf.

我们甚至看到沙特阿拉伯的一些美军飞机受到了损坏。

We've even seen damage to some planes in Saudi Arabia, US military planes in Saudi Arabia.

但这对唐纳德·特朗普和整个海湾地区来说都是最大的难题。

But this is the biggest headache for Donald Trump and for the wider Gulf as well.

全球约20%的石油通常经过这里，但过去一个月石油运输一直断断续续，主要是伊朗石油运往中国和印度等地。

20% of the world's oil usually passes through here, and it's just been a drip feed of oil over the last month, mainly in fact Iranian oil that's going from Iran to the likes of China and India.

事实上，伊朗目前运送石油的规模远超正常水平。

In fact, Iran are seeing the levels of sending their oil much higher than they would do during normal times as well.

因此，他们通过关闭霍尔木兹海峡在经济上获益。

So they're benefiting from keeping the Strait Of Hormuz closed economically.

他们确实获益了，但显然也有大量船只遭到袭击。

They're benefiting, but obviously we've seen a huge number of vessels that have been targeted as well.

我们已看到，在霍尔木兹海峡，一些船只被伊朗导弹和无人机击中后造成人员死亡。

We've seen deaths in the Strait Of Hormuz once some of these ships have been hit by Iranian missiles and drones.

有趣的是，几周前一艘泰国船只遭到袭击，据称约有20至25名船员被阿曼海军救出。

Interestingly, it was actually a Thai vessel that was targeted a couple of weeks ago where we saw I think it was around 20 or 25 crew members had to be rescued by the Omani Navy.

我认为在这次袭击中，有三到四名船员不幸丧生。

I think three or four maybe crew crew members were sadly killed as a result of this attack.

因此，泰国显然试图利用这一局势，作为一个并未直接卷入这场冲突的国家，正努力让其船只通行，以帮助这些经济体——而我们知道，全球南方国家正因燃料价格飙升、食品价格暴涨而陷入困境，因为不仅石油，化肥也无法通过这条具有战略意义的水道。

So clearly Thailand of trying to leverage what had happened there, a country which doesn't have direct involvement in this conflict and are trying to get some of their ships through to help these economies, and it's mainly the global South countries which we know are struggling fuel prices going through the roof, food prices as well because it's not just oil, it's fertilisers as well that can't pass through this very strategic waterway.

所以是的，我认为许多国家会打电话给德黑兰，试图达成协议，但关键是，伊朗革命卫队对谁可以通过该水域有着严格的控制。

So yeah, I think you'll find a lot of countries picking up the phone and trying to cut a deal with Tehran, but the bottom line is that the IRGC, the Iranian military, have a very tight grip on who can pass through.

如果试图通行的不是与美国有关的船只或以色列关联的船舶，他们就会发动攻击。

And if there isn't a US affiliated ship or an Israeli affiliated vessel that tries to pass through, they will target them.

他们会轰炸这些船只。

They will bomb them.

我认为，这目前是这片海域最大的担忧。

And I think that's the biggest worry right now in these waters.

我想也许可以回到我们之前讨论的内容，就是这个，嗯。

I wanna maybe just, maybe go back to what we're discussing earlier, this this sort of yeah.

这个航空领域的故事。

This aviation story.

也许你的看法，因齐，我们之前说过，比如你去巴林，其空域基本上是关闭的。

Maybe your reflections, Inzee, you know, we were saying, like, if you go to, of course, you know, you know, Bahrain and airspace, you know, large largely closed.

你知道，在海湾顶端，航空公司基本不飞行或停摆了。

You know, you have the sort of at at the top of the Gulf, airlines really not flying or functioning.

往南走，事情当然开始好转，航班也陆续在迪拜起降。

Further south you go, then, of course, you know, things do start to, of course, you know, pick up, and and and flights are going in and out of out of Dubai.

我猜你从阳台就能看到飞机，阿布扎比也是如此。

I can imagine you can probably see aircraft from you know, balcony, as well, and and likewise in in Abu Dhabi.

这其中有多少是为了营造一种‘一切如常’的公关形象呢？毕竟这些是大型的、正常运转的枢纽，安德鲁，想听听你的看法。

How much of that is also a pure PR story as well to say that, you know, business as usual, these are, you know, these are big functioning hubs versus Andrew, wanna bring you in on this.

我们有一个独家报道。

You know, we have a big exclusive story.

我不知道这有多独家，但在《每日邮报》上，有个故事讲的是被关押的英国人，以及那些因发布迪拜袭击画面而获保释的人。

I don't know how exclusive it is, but in the Daily Mail, the story, you know, we're talking about the number of and focusing on on Brits behind bars, Brits who are are are also, out on bail, because they were posting images, of course, of of attacks in in in Dubai.

所以我只是很好奇。

So I'm I'm just interested.

也许，因齐亚，我先从你开始聊聊这场公关战，或者说，这场舆论操作，尤其是从航空领域说起。

Maybe, Inzia, I'll start with you on this sort of PR war, in in a way or or or let's say, spin operation that is going on as well, starting with aviation.

是的。

Yeah.

听好了。

Look.

我能看见飞机从我公寓楼上方飞过，还有战斗机。

I I can see planes flying above my apartment block, but also fighter jets as well.

所以有时候凌晨两三点，当你的警报响起时，你会听到战斗机巨大的轰鸣声，因为伊朗的导弹和无人机正在袭向这个国家，但系统已经能根据你的位置进行地理定位。

So you hear the absolute roar of fighter jets two, 03:00 in the morning sometimes when your alarm goes off that there are Iranian missiles and drones incoming to the country, but they've kind of geolocated where you are now.

所以只有当威胁靠近你时，系统才会向你发送警报。

So they will only send you an alarm if it's kind of near you.

而且看起来，码头区域似乎经常成为目标，也许是因为我住的地方后面有大量能源设施。

And it seems that the targeting the marina quite a bit, perhaps because there are huge energy supplies just on the back of where I live.

但你说得对，确实有一个巨大的公关宣传，声称一切正常。

But you're right, there is this there is this big PR push that everything's fine.

尽量保持冷静，继续前行。

Kind of keep calm and carry on.

这是新冠期间的流行语。

That was the big phrase during COVID.

现在看来情况也是如此。

And it seems now is the case as well.

但我们目前发现，阿提哈德和阿联酋航空确实恢复了运营。

But but what we're finding right now is that yes, the likes of Etihad and and Emirates have picked up.

它们仍在执飞大量航班，虽然远未达到满载或满运营水平，但航班数量相当可观。

They are running many many flights still not at at full levels or even at full capacity by no means at full capacity, but they are running plenty of flights.

但当这些导弹和无人机来袭时，整个航班运营就会被叫停或暂停，因为显然会有战斗机和防御系统试图拦截来自伊朗的导弹和无人机。

But when these missiles and drones do come in, then you see the whole flight operation being stopped, being paused because obviously there are then fighter jets, there are defence mechanisms trying to intercept these missiles and drones from Iran.

正如你提到的，泰勒，你去巴林时，他们的空域基本已经关闭。

And you, as you mentioned, Tyler, you go over to to Bahrain and and they've pretty much kept their airspace closed.

为什么会这样？

Why is that?

这是因为美国军事基地靠近巴林的民用和居民区，也靠近机场。

Well, because you've actually got The US military base near to civilian and residential places in Bahrain near to the airport as well.

我们知道，美国一直利用这个基地直接从该基地向伊朗发射导弹和炸弹。

And we know that The US have been using that base to fire missiles and bombs straight into Iran from that base.

因此，巴林根本不敢冒风险开放其领空，允许商业航班继续运行。

So Bahrain just can't take the risk of essentially opening up their airspace, allowing commercial flights to continue.

但特别是在阿联酋，确实存在一种乐观情绪。

But there is really an element of optimism, particularly here in The UAE.

这是一种谨慎的乐观，但他们正努力营造一种一切如常的氛围。

It's cautious optimism, but they are trying to give a sense that things are normal.

我不确定这里的人们究竟有多大程度上相信情况真的如此。

I don't know to what extent everyone here actually believes that is the case.

这里的 Businesses 正遭受沉重打击。

Businesses are being absolutely hammered here.

你已经看到很多人离开了。

You've seen a lot of people already leave.

旅游业因此遭受重创。

Tourism is is being crippled as a result.

开车上街，泰勒，你知道，安德鲁，你以前来过这里很多次。

Drive on the streets and Tyler, you know, you've been here Andrew, you've been here many times before.

早晚高峰时，有时候根本没法通行，人们上下班来回穿梭。

It's impossible sometimes to move around in the morning and the evening where people are coming home from work and going to work.

而现在，路上非常通畅。

And right now the roads are pretty clear.

我可以从我在迪拜南部的当前位置，大约二十分钟内到达德拉和迪拜的老城区。

I can get from where I am here in the South Of Dubai over to Dehra and the old parts of Dubai in pretty much twenty minutes.

在游客满载、满负荷运营的时候，这简直是不可想象的。

That's unheard of when you've got tourists and full capacity here.

虽然这确实挺舒服的，我得承认，但这显然不是迪拜的常态。

So whilst that's been quite nice, I have to admit, it's obviously not what Dubai is about.

所以，我认为所谓‘一切正常、照常进行’的说法，可能并不符合实际情况。

And so I think this idea of things are normal and carry on potentially isn't exactly what's happening on the ground.

安德鲁和马库斯，我想请你们谈谈营销的力量。

Andrew and Marcus, I just want to bring you in on this, the power of power of marketing as well.

马库斯，你即将前往新加坡授课。

Marcus, you're heading out to Singapore shortly to go and teach your classes out there.

我的意思是，安德鲁，我觉得我们之前也提到过，人们总说，哦，你这是向东飞行。

I mean, one of these amazing things, Andrew, I think we were touching on this as well, and people say, oh, you know, you're flying eastbound.

那你具体是怎么做到的呢？

Well, how are you doing it?

人们几乎已经忘了还有所谓的超长航线或直飞航班。

And it's almost like people sort of forgotten that there are things called, you know, ultra long haul or long haul direct flights.

卡塔尔、阿联酋、阿提哈德等航空公司通过出色的营销，成功提醒了大家：如果你想去东方，确实需要通过这些地方中转。

It's amazing what a good marketing job, you know, Qatar, Emirates, Etihad, you know, have done in reminding actually, oh, actually, if you wanna go east, you have to go and connect through these places.

当然，这其中很多是价格策略，但同时也是品牌策略。

Now we know a lot of that is, of course, has been a price play, but, you know, but it's also been a a brand play as well.

有人就说，你是怎么从曼谷回来的？我这周刚从曼谷回来。

It's like, and and someone said, well, how did you get I I came back from Bangkok this week.

你是怎么从曼谷回来的？

How did you get back from Bangkok?

瑞士航空每天都有航班，不是远程直飞，你知道的，哦，但你是怎么飞越海湾的？

Swiss flies every day, not long haul, nonstop, you know, and and it oh, but how did you get over The Gulf?

那里，你知道，有一些航线是开放的，这些航空公司这样运营了十年，甚至二十年，这相当了不起。

There, you know, there there there there are traffic routes that that are open, and it's it's kind of remarkable that that a decade well, two decades of these airlines doing this.

不知怎的，这种方式一直行得通，但我们也知道，即使不经过这些地方，我们照样能正常出行。

And and somehow it's it's worked, but yet we know that we can still function without having to fly by these places as well.

我认为，长途航空公司的处境现在有点乐观。

I think the long haul players are smiling right now a little bit on the sunny side for them.

我采访过新加坡航空的一位人士，他们对当前的局势感到些许欣慰。

I had an interview with somebody from Singapore Airlines and they enjoyed the situation a little bit.

这并不是他们能获得的最好局面。

It's not the best that they could get in.

这是一个地缘政治挑战，但对我来说，现在的国际旅行理念是：只要我能到达某个地方，而且没有旅行警告，我可能会选择直飞。

It's a geopolitical challenge, but I think the whole idea of international travel right now is for me like, okay, if I can get somewhere and there's not a travel warning, so I might be flying there directly.

没错。

Exactly.

而且这确实是。

And this is yeah.

也许对那些手头有CFO头衔的管理者来说，并不是什么好消息或令人高兴的消息。

Maybe not sort of news and or happy news to the ears of people running who are you know, might have CFO on their business card.

但安德鲁，关于这一点我也想说一下。

But but Andrew, just on that as as well.

在你离开之前，安德鲁，我想简单聊一下，因为我们刚上架了一个新问题。

When you sort of look at and I just before before you go, Andrew, want to talk very, very briefly just about because we have a new issue, which has just hit newsstand as well.

当我们考虑部署时，最近在发送我们的通讯并让它传播出去的过程中，你遇到什么困难了吗？还是说只是因为直飞航班而变得更贵了？

When we when we look at deployment, have you had have had had have you had any trouble, deploying our correspondence of late to to get out get out in the world, or or just it's just gonna be more expensive because they're flying direct nonstop?

没有。

No.

我昨晚听说有两个人刚从越南回来。

I I was in the last night where two two people had recently returned from, from Vietnam.

他们原本打算乘坐一家海湾地区的航空公司返程。

They they were meant to be coming back with one of the Gulf carriers.

他们的航班被取消了。

Their flights were canceled.

他们能买到的唯一航班是经由中国返回。

They were the only flights they could get on were back via China.

实际上，他们说机场人很多，都是和他们一样改道的人，结果降落在一些他们甚至不知道存在的城市。

And, actually, they they said that the the airports were pretty busy with people who doing the same thing, ending up in cities that they didn't even know existed, on the map.

但事实上，因为中国仍能飞越俄罗斯，返程航班反而相当高效。

But, actually, the because China can still fly over Russia, the the flights back were actually pretty efficient.

我这周通过工作认识的其他人，回澳大利亚时没有选择经由海湾地区，而是飞往洛杉矶，绕远路回去。

Other people I've met this week through work who returning to Australia, but instead of of heading via The Gulf, we're heading to LA and head heading back the long way round that way.

所以我认为，过去存在的许多航线现在都消失了，我很惊讶航班价格涨得这么多。

So I think lots of these routes that used to be in existence in the past, and I think it's fascinating to know how much the the prices are going up for flights.

你知道，完全不连贯的航班。

You know, a completely disconnected flight.

上周来拜访我们的一位男士，在加利福尼亚的一家大型科技公司工作。

A gentleman who came to see us last week, works one of the big tech companies, in California.

他原本想订一张从洛杉矶到伦敦的商务舱单程票，结果票价高达一万英镑。

He had wanted a single ticket in in business from from Los Angeles to London, and it ended up costing £10,000 for a single one way ticket.

这纯粹是有些人趁机抬高价格，还找各种借口说事情有多严重。

And that's just, you know, people making the most of being able to gouge the prices and and claim all sorts of things are happening.

由于这些主要枢纽关闭了，伦敦又奇怪地重新变得重要起来，就像你所说的，新加坡也是如此。

Because with with these epic hubs closed, London becomes a more important hub odd oddly again, as you were saying, like, likes of Singapore as well.

因此，围绕这些动荡地区重新规划全球航线，真是令人着迷。

So the the remapping of the world around these trouble spots is fascinating.

说到这个，安德鲁，你这周应该看到不少新闻稿了吧。

Now just just on that, Andrew, I mean, you you would you would have seen press releases this week.

马库斯，正如你所说，安德鲁，新加坡航空曾经是最重要的中转枢纽之一，直到被海湾地区超越。

To your point, Marcus, about, you know, Singapore Airlines, as you said, Andrew, this was one of the the great connecting hubs until it was usurped by by The Gulf.

但现在我们看到新加坡航空发布新闻稿，增加了飞往澳大利亚的运力，也增加了飞往你们那里以及全球各地的运力。

But now we saw a press release out from Singapore Airlines, you know, adding capacity to Australia, adding capacity into your adding capacity, you know, all over the world.

而且，正如你所说，我觉得人们只是微微一笑。

And and, yeah, as you said, I think people sort of gently smiling.

我认为同样的情况也适用于那些提到法兰克福作为枢纽的人。

I think the same would go for who who talked about Frankfurt being a hub.

但同样，我觉得汉莎航空可能相当满意。

But again, yeah, I think Lufthansa is probably, you know, quite happy.

我们最近也看到了香港的情况。

We saw the same thing with Hong Kong now as well.

国泰航空正在增加运力。

Cathay Pacific, you know, all adding capacity.

所以我们正在讨论这场变动中的赢家和输家。

So we're talking about sort of winners and losers, out of this.

在你走之前，快速提一下，新一期杂志已经上架了。

And just quickly before you go, new issue, out on newsstand, just just out on newsstand.

有三个理由，让人想买下这期杂志，或者让你为这期杂志感到自豪。

Three reason three reasons, why people might wanna pick up or why you're a proud daddy of this issue.

好吧，我们不妨说，这期杂志包含了你对马克·卡尼的精彩长篇访谈，这种深度访谈正是我们在印刷媒体上擅长的，至今仍是一篇引人入胜且切中时弊的阅读内容。

Well, let's just say that it does have your your great interview with with Mark Carney, a long form interview, which is what we we we we do well in print, which is still a fascinating and pertinent read today.

而且，我们还做了一篇关于使馆力量的精彩调查，探讨了外交官为何依然重要，我真的很喜欢这篇内容。

And, also, we have a great survey of the power of the embassy and why diplomats still matter, which I've really, really enjoyed.

我们还做了一篇关于经销商世界的专题，讲述那些专门经销商如何成为你寻找从陨石到稀有腕表等各种物品的首选，以及收藏家们追踪这些珍品的渴望。

And we did a nice thing about the world of the the dealer, the the the specialist dealer who becomes the person you to go to for everything from meteorites to rare watches and about the the desire of collectors to track them down.

但本期还有我们的时尚界前25名榜单，同时也有一些关于零售业现状的优质访谈，包括对布鲁明代尔百货首席执行官的专访，探讨这家百货公司如何努力逆势而上，成为美国第一家从亚洲汲取经验、自我革新并强势回归的百货商店。

But it's also our fashion top 25, and, also, we have some good interviews looking at what's happening in in retail, including one with the CEO of Bloomingdale's looking at how that department store is is trying to buck the trend to be the one US department store that begins to learn some lessons from Asia and refreshes itself and comes back fighting.

感谢伦敦主编安德鲁·塔克的分享。

Andrew Tuck, our editor in chief in London, thank you very much, for that.

因齐，我们在迪拜的记者，请稍等片刻，我们马上回来找你。

Inzee, our correspondent, in Dubai, if you could just hang on for one second, we'll come back to you.

艾玛·尼尔森为您带来最新新闻头条。

Emma Nelson has the news headlines right now.

非常感谢，泰勒。

Thank you very much indeed, Tyler.

伊朗在也门的盟友胡塞武装威胁要扰乱红海南端的航运。

Iran's allies in Yemen, the Houthis, have threatened to disrupt shipping at the southern entrance to the Red Sea.

周六，胡塞武装自一个月前伊朗战争爆发以来，首次对以色列发动了导弹袭击。

On Saturday, the Houthis carried out their first missile attacks on Israel since the Iran war began a month ago.

法国内政部长将一起未遂的巴黎炸弹袭击与美以战争联系起来。

The French interior minister has linked a foiled bomb attack in Paris to the US Israeli war.

警方周六逮捕了一名嫌疑人，当时他正准备在美国银行大楼前引爆一个自制爆炸装置。

Police arrested a suspect on Saturday as he is preparing to set off a homemade explosive device in front of the Bank of America building.

澳大利亚维多利亚州已将整个四月的公共交通设为免费。

The Australian state of Victoria has made public transport free throughout April.

此举旨在缓解由中东战争引发的燃油短缺和价格上涨问题。

It's in an effort to ease fuel shortages and rising prices caused by the war in The Middle East.

瑞士一辆卡车上的超过40万块奇巧巧克力被盗，引发人们对供应短缺的担忧。

More than 400,000 Kit Kats have been stolen from a truck in Switzerland, leading to fears of a shortage.

这些巧克力上周在从意大利运往波兰的过程中神秘消失。

The chocolate disappeared last week while being transported between Italy and Poland.

今天，来自苏黎世的塔古斯·安茨格研究了当地当局从城市测速摄像头中获得的收入金额。

And today's Tagus Antziger coming out of Zurich has researched the amount of money earned by local authorities from speed cameras in the city.

最赚钱的测速摄像头位于布兰德舍尔克大街上，那是一个半固定式摄像头，道路非常通畅。

The most lucrative speed camera is a semi stationary one on Brandschenkerstrasse, which is a clear route.

苏黎世应用科学大学的一名交通心理学家呼吁增设更多标志，以提醒人们注意限速并改变驾驶习惯。

A traffic psychologist at the Zurich University of Applied Sciences has called for more signs to be put up to make people notice the limits and change their habits.

以上就是今日的新闻摘要。

Those are the headlines.

现在把镜头切回苏黎世的泰勒。

Back to you, Tyler, in Zurich.

但我很好奇，你能猜出这个大型摄像头赚了多少钱吗？

But I was wondering if you could guess how much money that's big camera made.

哦，我听说有些摄像头简直是印钞机。

Oh, I've heard some of them are complete cash cows.

是的。

I yeah.

那苏黎世总共赚了多少？

Is it what is the total number is that that Zurich takes?

是1500万还是5000万，来自这些测速摄像头？

Is it 15 or 50,000,000 from some of these speed cameras?

我的意思是，当然我们都讨厌测速摄像头，但苏黎世的这种摄像头特别让人感到威胁。

And I mean, of course, we all hate speed cameras, but there's something particularly menacing about the the Zurich variety.

它们是巨大的灰色庞然大物。

They're these big gray hulking boxes.

而且，你知道，它们并不小。

And and, you know, they're not small.

我的意思是，它们几乎有两米高，底部非常庞大。

I mean, we're talking about something which is almost two meters tall, has an enormous base on it.

我的意思是，你是不是也觉得，这些设备其实也可以卖给海湾国家，还有其他一些地方，比如用于早期预警系统。

I mean, it is it you also feel that actually you could probably sell these, to a gulf state as as well as some, you know, early detection Yeah.

因为你知道，你不可能把它们推倒之类的。

Because, you know, you can't knock them over, etcetera.

所以不管怎样，没人喜欢它们。

So anyway, no no one loves them.