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这是由真人打造的‘我爱’播客。

This is an I heart podcast guaranteed human.

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Joy is essential and it's also elusive but now there's a new and exciting way to start your journey toward a more joyful existence Joy one zero one it's a new podcast hosted by me how to copy if you're craving inspiration to maximize your joy tune into these candid uplifting and moving on air chats open your free I heart radio app search Joy one zero one and listen now.

《快乐101》由霍达科特维主持，由CBS出品。

Joy one zero one with Hodakotvi is presented by CBS.

大家好。

Hey, everybody.

我们是乔纳斯兄弟。

It's the Jonas Brothers.

本周，我们非常高兴能与热门剧集《校园外》的演员米卡·阿卜杜拉共度时光。

This week, we're so excited to be hanging out with Mika Abdallah from the hit show off Campus.

我们会聊聊这部剧如何一路走红，第二季有什么新计划，以及《校园外》剧组成员之间到底有多亲密。

We talk about what it's been like watching the show become such a massive hit, what's next for season two, and just how close the Off Campus cast really is.

那个群聊叫什么名字？

What's the group chat called?

其中一个群叫《Off Campus巴西》。

One of them is Off Campus Brazil.

对。

K.

他们有个自己的群，叫Dean。我们和Mika Abdallah的对话现在已经上线了。

The boys have their own group chat called Dean's Our conversation with Mika Abdallah is out now.

快去听听吧。

Go check it out.

可以在Hey Jonas和iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcast，或者你常用的播客平台收听。

Listen to Hey Jonas and the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

我是Jake Brennan，我的播客《Disgraceland》讲述的是音乐界那些大人物背后的故事。

I'm Jake Brennan, and on my podcast, Disgraceland, I tell the stories behind music's biggest names.

比如，Foo Fighters的故事不只是关于音乐，更关乎悲痛、震惊，以及一切发生转折的那一刻。

Like how the story of the Foo Fighters isn't just about music, it's about grief, shock, and the moment everything changed.

想想看。

Imagine that.

你正处在全球最顶尖的乐队里，就像1994年戴夫·格罗尔在涅槃乐队那样。

You're in the biggest band on the planet as Dave Grohl was in 1994 in Nirvana.

就在这时，电话响了，你得知自己的主唱、朋友、那个时代不愿发声却不得不发声的年轻人——科特·柯本——去世了。

And the phone rings, and you learn that your singer, your friend, the reluctant voice of a generation, Kurt Cobain, is dead.

在iHeartRadio应用、苹果播客，或你常用的任何播客平台收听《Disgraceland》。

Listen to Disgraceland on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

音乐救了我。

Music Saved Me.

我们得先成为音乐的载体，远比其他任何事都重要，因为一旦你把音乐变成纯粹的理性分析，而不再靠感觉去体会，就很容易陷入厌倦和反感。

We have to, be a vessel for the music more than more than anything because, it's really easy to get stuck and, kinda hate what you're doing if it becomes more of an intellectual thing than a feeling thing.

我是林·霍夫曼，欢迎收听《音乐救了我》的又一期节目，我们将深入探索音乐的疗愈力量。

I'm Lynn Hoffman, and welcome to another episode of the Music Saved Me podcast where we dig deep into the healing forces of music.

今天，我们非常高兴邀请到制作人兼杰出乐手史密森，也就是大家熟知的Shrimpnose。

Today, we are so excited to be joined by a producer and an incredible instrumentalist, Smithson, also known as a k a Shrimpnose.

Shrimpnose从小就亲身体验过音乐的疗愈力量，我们非常感激他今天来到《音乐救了我》，和我们分享他的故事。

Now Shrimpnose knows the healing power of music up close and personal from a very young age, and we're so grateful that he's here to share his story with us on Music Saved Me.

Shrimpnose，欢迎来到节目。

Shrimpnose, welcome to the show.

很高兴你能来。

It's great to have you here.

非常感谢。

Thank you so much.

我很期待今天的分享。

I'm excited to be here.

首先恭喜你，你刚在加拿大最大的电子音乐节之一演出。

Now, first, I congratulations because you just performed at one of Canada's biggest electronic music festivals.

我记得叫Shambala，对吧？

I believe it's called Shambala?

对。

Yep.

就是那个。

That's the one.

而且，还有家叫《DJ杂志》的小刊物，刚把你列为值得关注的新兴艺人。

And also, I think a little magazine called DJ Magazine just named you the up and coming emerging artist to watch for.

所以谢谢你来到这个关键的时刻。

So thank you for being here at the cusp

非常感谢。

Thank you so much.

现在正一路飙升。

Just blowing up.

是的。

Yeah.

这些事我都挺淡然的，挺平常心对待。

I mean, it's it's all this stuff I take in stride.

我很感恩，但也不会因此就把自己捧得太高。

I'm I'm thankful for it, but try not to get too hyped up for myself about things.

得能过得了门框。

It need to fit through the doorway.

是的

Yeah.

没错

Exactly.

我读到你五岁就开始打鼓，而且那更多是为了让你能表达自己，我觉得这特别有意思。

Well, I read that you started playing the drums at the age of five, and it was more so a means for you to be able to communicate, which I think is really interesting.

你打鼓并不仅仅是因为喜欢打鼓。

It wasn't necessarily just because you loved to play the drums.

你能跟我们说说那段经历吗？是什么让你和音乐产生了联系？

Can you sort of connect us with a little bit about that time and what brought you to connecting with music?

当然可以。

Sure.

当然。

Of course.

我爸爸在我大概四五岁的时候给我买了一套鼓。

So my dad got me a drum kit when I was about, yeah, about four or five.

同时，我还发展出了一种口吃，到现在还一直有。

And at the same time, I developed a speech impediment that I still have.

近几年情况好很多了，但小时候在学校里交朋友什么的，真的挺难的。

It's improved quite a bit the last few years, but growing up, it was pretty hard in school and making friends and stuff like that.

我爸妈一直都在一起玩乐队，从我出生起就是这样。

And my mom and dad are both in a band together and have have been my my whole life.

他们每到周末就和乐队一起演出。

And they play with the band on the weekends.

所以小时候，我经常一个人在家，没什么别的事可做，就只能摆弄乐器，自己琢磨怎么弹。

So growing up, I would often be at home alone without much to do other than just play instruments and kind of teach myself how to play instruments.

那时候我总觉得，音乐是我能说得最流利的一种语言。

And yeah, that was always felt like a language I could be fluent in a lot more easily.

你知道吗，我该怎么表达呢？

Know, it there how do I put this?

我弹鼓、弹吉他，或者做任何音乐的时候，心里都没有障碍，这种感觉让我渐渐爱上了它。

I didn't have blocks or obstacles in my way when I was playing drums or playing guitar or whatever it was, which kinda made me fall in love with that, so to speak.

你觉得，回头看看那段日子，是不是就在那时你意识到音乐的力量有多强大？

Do you think that basically when you look back at that time in your life that that was the moment that you realized how powerful it was?

我的意思是，你那时候那么小，真能明白这一点吗？

I mean, you even did you comprehend that even at that early age?

说实话，从我还是个孩子的时候起，我就一直想做这个。

It since I was a little kid, it's always been what I wanted to do, to be honest.

我当然也有别的兴趣。

I I had other interests.

小时候我也特别喜欢古生物学。

Also, I wanted to you know, I I liked paleontology when I was a little kid.

是的。

Yeah.

完全是两码事。

Comcom complete opposite.

不过呢。

But yeah.

它一直让我感觉很好，很自然，而且我不用太费劲就能做得不错。

It was always the thing that made me feel good and felt natural and was something I felt good at without having to try too hard.

对我来说，能找到一种表达自己的方式很重要，尤其是小时候，我很多时候没法用语言说出我想说的。

And it's having something that made me feel expressed was important growing up when I I couldn't verbally express myself all the time the way that I wanted to.

没错。

That's right.

我读到说你曾经……

I read that you that

你有时候完全说不出话来，根本没法表达任何东西。

there were times that you couldn't talk at all, that you just couldn't express anything.

作为孩子，那种经历一定特别让人沮丧，真的很艰难。

That must have been extremely frustrating, especially as a kid growing up and hard.

是的。

Yeah.

更难的是在学校里，很多老师根本不懂我经历了什么，而且我学校的语言治疗师，说实话，水平也不怎么样。

And the hard thing too was in school, a lot of teachers even didn't understand what I was going through and the speech pathologists at the school I went to weren't good people, frankly.

你知道吧。

You know?

他们教我的那些方法根本不适合我，让我一点都感觉不到舒服。

They the methods that they were teaching me didn't they weren't for me, didn't make me feel good.

没法表达自己的感受，真的特别让人沮丧。

And, it was just incredibly frustrating not being able to say how I was feeling.

这让我长期陷入自我价值感低下和焦虑之中。

And it really led to me struggling a lot with my self esteem and anxiety.

很多人以为口吃是因为焦虑，其实恰恰相反。

You know, a lot of people think that having a stutter stems from anxiety, but really it's the other way around.

我是先卡在某个词上，才会开始紧张。

Like, I'll I'll I'll get caught up on a word and that's why I'm anxious.

不是我先感到焦虑，然后才卡词的。

I'm not it's not like I feel anxious first and then I get stuck on a word.

说起来，还挺有意思的。

You know, it's it's kinda interesting.

是的

Yeah.

你绝对想不到竟然是反过来的。

You would definitely not think that it would be the backwards.

是的

Yeah.

太不可思议了。

It's incredible.

对

Yeah.

这确实很大程度上是一种神经方面的状况。

It's it's it's very much so like a neurological thing.

它和图雷特综合征共享很多相同的神经通路。

It shares a lot of the same neurological pathways as Tourette's.

有意思。

Interesting.

这和阅读障碍有没有什么关联呢？

Is there any connection with that and maybe dyslexia as well?

我不清楚。

I don't know.

我真的不知道。

I actually don't know.

这个问题问得挺好。

That's a good question to ask.

我这一辈子一直在跟这个作斗争，不知道是不是有关联。

What I have continuously fought with my whole life and I wonder if that's connected.

我得去查一查。

I'm gonna look into that.

我查到了再告诉你。

I'll let you know what I find out.

好的。

Yeah.

我可能比想象中更聪明，能给出答案。

Smarter than I might have an answer.

你之前提到过在家自学乐器，或者说是自己摸索着学乐器。

You have you talked about being at home and learning about how to play instruments or rather learning how to play instruments on your own.

这本身就是一件非常特别的事。

And that's that's in and of itself something very special.

那当时到底是什么事呢

What was what was the thing

这就是让你想学那么多乐器的原因吗？

that drove you to wanna play so many instruments?

我是说，你学的乐器真的很多。

I mean, you play a lot of instruments.

主要是看家里有什么。

The one, just availability.

我家里有鼓、吉他，还有贝斯之类的。

They were I had drums and guitars and the bass guitar and all that at home.

所以那些乐器就摆在那儿。

So it was around.

再加上我想拥有更丰富的表达手段，大概是这个原因吧。

And wanting to have a fuller spectrum of expression, I suppose.

有个挺有意思的事，我是左撇子，所以我所有乐器都是反着弹的。

One thing that's kinda interesting, I'm left handed, and I I play all my instruments backwards.

你看，很多左撇子会买左撇子专用吉他，或者把琴弦反过来装，这样就能按习惯的方式演奏了。

Like like, it's a lot of people, if they're left handed, they'll buy a left handed guitar or they'll string a guitar backwards so they can play it that way.

但我把它倒过来，倒着弹。

But I'll just flip it upside down and play it upside down.

这其实不太常见。

It's kinda not super common.

基本上，任何吉他老师都会告诉你别这么干。

Basically, any guitar teacher would tell you not to do that.

对。

Yeah.

这倒是真的。

That's for sure.

不过话说回来，他们也会说你得会识谱。

But then again, they would tell you that you have to read music.

是的。

Yeah.

这个我也不会。

Which I also don't know how to do.

没错。

Right.

对。

Yeah.

但其实做音乐并不一定非得会识谱。

And and it's not necessary to make music.

对。

Yeah.

不过我们现在可能让不少人听得很不自在。

Although we're probably making people cringe right now.

嗯，说实话，我也不确定。

Well, I mean, I don't know.

有很多受过专业训练的音乐家和乐手，能完美地演奏和写乐谱，却根本不会创作。

There's a lot of professionally trained musicians and instrumentalists that can write music and play music really perfectly but can't write music or you know what I mean?

他们特别不擅长即兴发挥，或者说，你懂我的意思吧？

They have a hard time improvising or I don't know.

我宁愿能即兴演奏，也不愿只会看乐谱。

I I would much prefer being able to improvise to be to being able to read charts.

我同意。

I agree.

我也同意。

I agree.

这就像是当一个好厨师。

It's like being a good chef.

你就去试试看，自己摸索。

You just take you experiment.

对。

Yeah.

这样玩起来更有趣。

And it's more fun that way.

GarageBand——我最爱的软件之一——在你的音乐旅程中起过什么作用吗？

What significance did GarageBand, one of my favorite all time games of all time, have in in your play a role in your journey?

天哪。

In gosh.

大概在七年级或八年级的时候，我还挺小的。

In probably seventh or eighth grade, I was pretty young.

我用它做过一个课堂作业。

I used it to make, like, a class project.

我当时做了一个，嗯，曲子。

I made yeah.

我以前从来没录过或制作过任何东西，但为一个课堂项目做了一首歌配视频。

I I had never, like, recorded or produced anything before, but I made, like, a song for a video for a class project.

那时候我才意识到，原来电脑上也能做音乐，真是太酷了。

And I realized how I could make music on a computer and how cool that could be.

我真正开始认真搞制作，是几年后上高三的时候。

I didn't really get into production production until a couple years later in my senior year.

我买了第一台电脑，开始更认真地对待这件事。

I got my first computer and took it a little more seriously.

不过说到底，还是那个课堂项目让我开始尝试这方面的创作。

But, yeah, I guess a class project was what made me start to experiment in that realm.

这真的很棒。

That's really cool.

顺带说一句，我小时候也做过一个课堂项目，当时还放了音乐当例子。

On a side note, I have to tell you, I had a class project when I was young as well, and I brought in music as an example.

不过这都已经是很久以前的事了，毕竟我年纪不小了。

But this is going way back because I'm old.

我还带了一首《弗兰肯斯坦》的摇滚版歌曲。

And I brought in a copy of the song Frankenstein, the rock song.

我都不想说它有多老了。

I'm not even gonna tell you because it's so old.

我把整首歌都放了一遍，因为那是音乐里第一次用到合成器。

And I played the whole thing just because it had the very first time they used synthesizers in music.

也就是从那时候起

That's how

哦，还有我那时候

Oh, and I had

得让全班同学等着合成器把整首歌放完，结果歌都没放完。

to make the whole class wait for the synthesizers to play, which didn't happen to the end of the song.

我记得老师当时一脸懵，那场面挺有意思的。

The teacher, I remember, she just looked baffled, like, that was very interesting.

谢谢今天的分享。

Thanks for show and tell today.

我从来没讲过这个故事。

I've never told that story.

我就是忍不住想告诉你，因为太像了。

I just had to tell you because it was so similar.

我太喜欢这个了。

I love that.

不过还是说回你，你还记得自己是什么时候，突然找到了内心的力量，能够坦然接受自己的不完美吗？

But back to you, do do you recall what exactly, or when you found this incredible strength within yourself to, be secure in embracing your imperfections?

问得好。

Great question.

我不太确定。

I don't know.

我觉得，经历过成年早期那段动荡的时期——十八到二十五岁之间，很多人都会遇到各种各样的内心挣扎，我想不少人都能感同身受。

I think just going through the tumult of being an adult, a young adult, a 20, you know, 18 to 25 year old, there's a lot of personal stuff that people go through that I'm sure a lot of people can relate to.

比如感情问题、朋友离开，还有类似的事情。

Relationships and friends passing and, you know, things like that.

我也不确定。

And I don't know.

我不敢说自己是世界上最自信的人，但一谈到音乐，我就尽量别给自己添堵。

I think when I'm I won't say I'm the most confident person in the world, but when it comes to music, I try to not get in my own way too much.

我觉得，要是我写了一首歌，最好让它自然发展，顺其本性。

I kinda I think it's important to let if I write a song, I try to let it be what it wants to be.

我尽量不去过度分析它，也不总想着怎么改得更好。

And I try not to over contextualize it too much or think about how it could be better.

我更倾向于凭感觉去体会它还能怎么提升，而不是靠理性去琢磨，因为想太多反而会束缚自己。

You know, I try more so to feel how it could be better than think how it could be better because I can get in my own way if I think about it too much.

没错。

Yes.

因为当个好制作人，关键是要直击核心，而不是拖拖拉拉——你其实是在催生一个新生命。

Because being a good producer is really cutting to the meat of it as opposed because you could linger for you're birthing a child, basically.

你在让自己的

You're letting your

是的

Yeah.

通过音乐把内心的想法和情感表达出来。

Inner thoughts and personal feelings out through music.

没错。

Exactly.

这可不是件容易的事。

It's not an easy thing.

一点都不是。

Not at all.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得是的。

I think yeah.

我们得更像一个容器，让音乐自然流过，而不是过度思考，不然很容易陷入纠结，讨厌自己正在创作的东西。

We have to be a vessel for the music more than more than anything because it's really easy to get stuck and kinda hate what you're doing if it becomes more of an intellectual thing than a feeling thing.

这没错。

That's for sure.

能跟我们说说，到今天为止，有哪些音乐人曾经深深打动过你，陪伴你度过那些艰难时刻吗？

Tell tell us about some of the artists who to this day have made a connection to you and who have helped you through some of the tough times.

当然可以。

Absolutely.

天哪。

Gosh.

这事我都能说上半天。

I could go on and on about this.

你讲吧。

Go ahead.

我觉得制作者Shlomo是我第一个特别着迷的人。

I would would say the producer, Shlomo, was the first first one I got really, really obsessed with.

类似这样的音乐人，还有Gold Panda和Flying Lotus。

And in that vein, also Gold Panda, Flying Lotus.

但过去几年，我渐渐转向了民谣风格。

But in the last couple of years, I've gone down more of a folk route.

我特别迷上了Bon Iver、Elliott Smith和Alex G。

I got pretty big into Bon Iver and Elliott Smithson and Alex G.

最近几年，那种带点电子元素的独立民谣，真的特别对我胃口。

And just kinda like the indie semi electronic folk route has kinda hit the spot for me a lot more the last couple of years.

我最近也听了很多这类音乐。

I've been hearing a lot of it lately too.

现在有很多不错的电台都在播这类歌。

And there's a lot of great stations now that are are playing.

我现在最常听的音乐就是电子乐。

It's it's really my go to music now is electronic.

你跟不同年龄的人聊天时，发现他们也有这种趋势吗？

Do you find that happening a lot with people that you talk to of all ages?

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Absolutely.

我觉得现在有意思的是，以前电子音乐总带着点刻板印象，好像非得是德布斯泰或者浩室音乐，特别局限于某种类型。

I think the cool thing now is that there used to be like a kind of a connotation with electronic stuff that it was maybe just dubstep or just house music or it was very like genre focused.

但现在不一样了，音乐就是音乐，纯粹为了听而听。

But I think we're at a point now where it's like listening music.

越来越不讲究流派，更看重感觉，这一点我特别看好。

It's it's less less genre and more feeling, which I am excited about.

对。

Yeah.

我想跟你聊聊这个。

I want to ask you about that.

我接触过很多艺术家、音乐人、作家，但这种新形式——我说它新，其实也不算新，只是对主流来说还算新鲜。

I talked to a lot of artists, musicians, writers, but this new form, and I say new because it's not so new, but it really is new for mainstream.

你认同吗？

Would you agree?

对。

Yeah.

电子音乐在不靠歌词的情况下，是怎么打动人的？

What is the quality of electronic music in terms of how it strikes emotion, even without like a word sung or spoken.

对。

Yeah.

你觉得原因是什么？

What do you think it is?

我觉得现在的一部分原因在于，我们越来越倾向于融合各种风格。就我个人而言，我的音乐里经常加入很多原声吉他，这在电子音乐人里可能有点不寻常。

Well, I think part of it now is that we're at the point where we are trying to blend influences and just me specifically, I in my music, I tend to incorporate a lot of acoustic guitar, which is maybe a little untraditional for most electronic artists.

但吉他是一种特别能传递情感的乐器。

But it is a it's a very emotive instrument.

你能从它身上挖掘出很多情绪，引导听众去感受特定的情绪。

You know, you can can really get a lot out of it and kind of tell the listener what to feel, so to say.

我觉得，当我们尝试融合不同风格，往没人走过的方向去发展时，这条路就变得很有意思了。

I think that makes for an interesting route now that we're trying to blend influences and take it in a direction things haven't gone before.

是的

Yeah.

说不上来具体是哪儿，但就是有那种感觉。

You can't always put your finger on it.

但这种音乐就是有种特别的魅力。

But there's just something special about it.

我确实经常听，尤其是在开车的时候。

And I mostly do find myself listening to that, especially in the car.

是的

Yeah.

真的很棒。

It's really cool.

你能描述一下吗？当粉丝告诉你，你的音乐对他们产生了积极影响时，那种感觉是怎样的？对他们来说意味着什么？

Can you describe how it feels when a fan shares with you the positive impact that your music has had on them and and what it means to them?

当然可以。

Of course.

是的。

Yeah.

一开始，说实话，我有点不知所措。

At first, it was a little overwhelming, honestly.

我最初真不知道该怎么回应这些话。

I didn't quite know how to receive it at first.

但现在，只要有人跟我分享感受，我都特别感动。

But now I definitely am very flattered anytime somebody has something to say.

有人告诉我，我的歌改变了他们的人生。

People have told me songs of mine have paved their life.

有个人是因为听了我的一首歌，才认识了现在的未婚妻。

Somebody met their fiance through a song of mine.

你能简单讲讲这个故事吗？

Can you tell that story real quick?

当然可以。

Yeah.

有个人在上瑜伽课，我的一首歌正好在播放。

So somebody was in a yoga class, and a song of mine was playing in the yoga class.

课后，他去问老师：‘刚才放的是什么歌？’

And after the class, they went up to the teacher and was like, hey, what song was that that was playing?

结果那首歌正是我的《Cherish》。

And it happened to be my song Cherish.

从那以后，他们就一直保持着一段美好的感情。

And they have been in a loving relationship ever since.

她只是去问了老师那首歌的名字，这真是太棒了。

Just because she went to ask the teacher the name of the that's great.

我知道。

I know.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

有时候，只需要一件事就够了，而音乐正是其中很重要的一部分。

It just takes one one thing, and music is a is a big part of that.

说到音乐，你最新的作品《The World Pushed Against You》真是让人期待。

And speaking of music, The World Pushed Against You is your newest project.

能跟我们聊聊创作这个作品的过程吗？有哪些曲子特别值得我们留意？

Can you tell us about the process of creating it and some of your favorite songs that we should be listening for?

是的。

Yeah.

这个项目跟过去我发过的大部分作品不太一样，说它是为舞蹈而生的可能更贴切，原因有几个。

So this is a very I don't know if like, it's a dancer project than most of the stuff I've released in the past for a couple of reasons.

首先，我特别喜欢现场表演。

One, I like performing quite a bit.

但过去我写的很多歌其实并不太适合舞台呈现。

And a lot of my music in the past wasn't super performance oriented.

所以我经常陷入一种困境：为了演出要写一堆新歌，可这些作品又很难正式发布，因为这两个世界我一直不知道怎么融合在一起。

So I would find myself in this place where I would have to make a bunch of music just to perform and then not really have a way to release it because it was like two worlds that I didn't know how to bring together.

但这次是我第一次真正尝试发布一张既能自己演出、其他DJ也愿意播放的专辑。

But this is like my first real attempt at trying to release an album that I can play out that other DJs can play out if they want to.

我希望它依然真实，充满情感，还是我自己的风格。

And I wanted it to be still authentic and still like emotional music and still feel like me.

不过，这确实是一次很好的尝试，把我的一贯元素融入进去，让它更符合舞池的氛围。

But, yeah, it was a it was a great exercise in trying to incorporate all my same elements, but have it be more to to dance floor, I guess, appropriate.

我特别想提的一首歌是《Destroyer》，和Cold Panda合作的。

I would say one song I'm particularly excited about on it is Destroyer featuring Cold Panda.

他是我刚接触电子音乐时最早喜欢上的艺术家之一。

He's he was one of the first artists I got really into when I got into electronic stuff.

去年我跟他一起巡演过一段时间，人特别好。

I toured with him last year a little bit and he's just a sweet guy.

他给了我一些模块合成器的循环片段，后来我就主导了整个合作。

And he sent me a couple of modular loops and I kinda took over the collab.

我特别兴奋，干脆放手大干了一场。

I kinda just went crazy on it because I was excited about it.

结果这首歌变成了特别烧脑的七分钟作品，是我写过最长的一首。

And it ended up being like a very cerebral, like seven minute long it's longest song I've ever made.

它的节奏一开始很慢，但整首歌里，速度会一点点慢慢加快。

It's like a the BPM on it starts slow and throughout basically the whole song it speeds up slowly.

这就像是一个自然渐强的过程。

So it's like kind of this natural crescendo type thing.

说实话，我也说不清楚。

And yeah, I don't know.

但从创作角度来说，我真的很满意，因为它完全突破了我平时敢尝试的界限。

It just felt like creatively, it's something I'm proud of because it's it's it pushes all the boundaries that I like to push.

这肯定不是一首流行歌，这点我很清楚。

It's maybe a little it's definitely not a pop song.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

这种歌根本不可能上电台。

It's not something that would be on the radio.

这确实挺怪的。

It's it's pretty weird.

但我个人特别喜欢。

But it's a personal favorite of mine.

比通常那种压抑、阴暗的风格要更轻快一点吗？

More a little more upbeat than typically what what visceral versus, like, a visceral brooding dark sort of this would be a little more opposite of that?

但还是很有压抑感。

It's still brooding.

我敢肯定。

I'm sure.

它有点

It's it's a little

压抑。

brooding.

里面确实带着压抑。

Brooding in there.

你明白了吧？

You got it?

我特别喜欢这一点。

I love that.

不过，说到底，这其实就是一段旅程吧。

But, yeah, it's a it's just a journey, I guess.

用这个词听起来可能有点老套，但现在我想不出比这更贴切的了。

That sounds a little cliche to use that word, but that's the best word I can think of right now.

我觉得一点都不老套。

I don't think it's cliche at all.

不过我得问你个问题，因为肯定有不少刚认识你的人，就像我一样，想了解你——你长着一副漂亮的鼻子。

But, you know, I do need to ask you something because I'm sure there are some listening who are just learning about you now and they wanna know, like myself, you have a beautiful nose.

‘Shrimpnose’这个名字是怎么来的？

Where did the name Shrimpnose come from?

能解释一下吗？

Please explain.

当然。

Of course.

我能想到的，就只有两个人有这种名字。

There's a few people just, know, I can think of just two that pop in my head that have a name like that.

一个是肉饼，另一个是果冻卷。

One would be meatloaf and the other jelly roll.

不错。

So Nice.

虾卷。

Shrimp roll

虾卷。

shrimp roll.

Shrimpnose 这个名字真独特。

Shrimpnose is a very unique name.

高中时，我有个特别要好的朋友，叫布兰登。

So in high school, I had this really good friend Brandon.

他这个人特别古怪。

He was a very eccentric guy.

他老是说一些稀奇古怪的话。

He would always be saying eccentric weird stuff.

那时候我刚做制作不久，大概才一年左右，我录了一些他的片段，想用在歌里，就因为他特别搞笑。

And one day, as I was pretty new into producing, maybe like a year or so in, I was recording some clips of him to maybe use in a song, just him being a goofy guy.

他突然大喊一声：‘John Shrimpnose’。

And out of nowhere, he screams, John Shrimpnose.

以前他叫John Shrimpnose。

It it used to be John Shrimpnose.

几年前我就把‘John’删掉了。

I cut the John off a couple years ago.

这太棒了。

I love that.

从那以后，这名字就一直沿用下来了。

And that and it just stuck from there.

是的

Yeah.

我一听就喜欢上了。

I I heard it and I loved it immediately.

它没什么实际意思，这正是我喜欢的地方。

It was it doesn't mean anything, which I like.

它不把自己当回事，你知道的。

It doesn't take itself too seriously, you know.

而且

And

但很上口。

But it's catchy.

对。

Yeah.

上口，又简单。

It's catchy, simple.

而且它

And it

让人只想来看你，就为了看看你本人。

makes people wanna come see you just to see.

我希望如此。

I hope so.

我得说，我其实也挺好奇的。

I I have to say, I was a little curious too.

人们总想知道名字的来历，但我觉得这特别棒，你也真的很棒。

You always wonder where people get their names from, but I think that's really cool and I think you're really cool.

谢谢。

Thank you.

对我们的听众来说，你能说说音乐是怎么鼓舞人的，怎么让人更自信地面对生活吗？

For our listeners now, can you tell us how music can lift you up and give whoever's listening a greater confidence in their own life.

你知道自己每天要面对哪些困难，简直难以想象，你不仅能把这些转化成如此动人的音乐去帮助别人，还能站上舞台，亲自唱给这些人听。

Because you know what you're what you struggle with on a daily basis, it's sort of unimaginable that you could turn it around and not only produce and create such amazing music that helps others, but also get on stage and perform it in front of them too.

我的意思是，光是这一点就已经很了不起了。

I mean, that's huge in and of itself.

那对于正在听的各位，你有什么建议吗？

So what what kind of advice would you give to anyone listening right now?

当然可以。

Sure.

没问题。

Of course.

我的言语表达一直挺困难的。

So with my speech, I've struggled quite a bit.

这几乎影响了我生活的方方面面。

It affects basically every part of my life.

我当初退学，主要原因就是这个。

It was the reason I dropped out of college.

上课时我很难参与讨论，自信心也受到了很大打击。

I was having a really hard time participating in classes and it affected my self esteem quite a bit.

连去麦当劳点个芝士汉堡我都紧张。

It affects me ordering a cheeseburger at McDonald's.

约会也受影响。

It affects dating.

参加派对交朋友，或者在演出场合认识业内人士，全都变得困难。

It affects making friends at parties or meeting people professionally at shows.

我不是想在这儿自怜自艾。

Not to be too woe is me right now.

但我想说的是，音乐是我少数能掌控、并因此重拾自信的事情。

But my point is music has been one thing that I can be in control of that brings me confidence through that.

我觉得这正是它的美妙之处——成功的秘诀其实就是坚持，日复一日地坚持。

And I think that's the really beautiful thing about it in the sense that the key to success is just consistency over time, basically.

只要你真心投入一件事，时间久了它一定会回报你。写音乐让我感觉良好，也希望能让别人感到开心。

So if you just commit yourself to something, it will reward you the longer that you commit yourself to it and make music that makes me feel good and I hope makes other people feel good.

我写歌，主要还是为了自己。

I do make it primarily for myself.