《Hoop Collective》：NBA赛季的狂野开局+为何东部局势扑朔迷离

高中啦啦队式的。

Harry high school.

你知道，他就那种'我们会证明给你们看'的调调。

You know, he's just like, we're gonna show you.

这将是一场王者秀。

This is gonna be the king's show.

我们要收拾你们这些黑子。

We're gonna get all you haters.

扎克·普劳德。

Zach Proud.

他当时满口陈词滥调和标签用语。

He was, like, spewing cliches and hashtags.

比如，从抨击黑子到在一天半内转而指责自己的团队。

Like, what do hating on the haters to hating on his own team in about a day and a half.

是啊。

Yeah.

戴恩，我跟一个正在看他们比赛的高管聊天，他说，我就说，听着。

Dane and like, I was talking to an executive who was watching their game, and he goes, I goes, look.

他可以想说什么就说什么。

He can say whatever he wants.

我觉得那场比赛他们对他放弃了。

I I thought that they quit on him that game.

所以他肯定——我不确定他是否这么想——但他肯定对所见不满，因为赛后他进来痛批了球队。

And so he must have I don't know if he thought that, but he must have not liked what he saw because afterwards he came in and ripped his team.

那感觉就像是，呃，

And it was like it was like Well,

那场对老鹰队的比赛他们输得惨不忍睹。

that was a game also against the hawks where they lost by about a trillion.

没错。

Yeah.

老鹰队这次客场之旅彻底碾压了他们。

The hawks laid waste on this trip.

确实如此。

Sure did.

总之，我要说的是老鹰队，自从特雷·杨受伤后，他们在防守端排名联盟第二，仅次于雷霆队。

So, anyway, I will just say the hawks, they are number two in the league in defense behind the Thunder since Trae Young went down.

而且他们又有人受伤了。

And they had another injury.

扎克·里科切特在一次扣篮尝试中臀部着地，摔得相当惨烈。

Zach Ricochet had a ridiculously nasty looking fall on his hip going up for a dunk.

是啊。

Yeah.

我记得是在比赛第二节还是第三节，他只打了十五分钟。

I think in the second quarter or third quarter of the game, he only played fifteen minutes.

所以他得确保自己没事。

So he's gotta make sure he's okay.

我觉得这些数据可能比今天的比赛稍微滞后了一些。

I think I think those those stats might be slightly slightly delayed from before today's game.

目前他们自从特雷缺阵后战绩是七胜两负。

They're currently I think they're tied for they're seven and two since Trey went out.

在那段时间里，他们的防守效率与多伦多猛龙并列第三。

They're tied for third defensive rating with Toronto raptors over that span.

多伦多猛龙最近也打得很好。

Toronto raptors also playing very well.

可能在那段时间里也是七胜两负。

Seven and two in that span maybe too.

债券小贴士。

Bond tips.

他们已经走了，已经走了。

They've they've gone they've gone.

猛龙队也打得很好，就像我刚才说的

The raptors also playing very well as I've just

在...之前

before the

赛季开始时。

season started.

听着。

Listen.

不。

No.

我只是记得当时赛季才打了五场比赛左右。

I just I remember we were, like, five games into the season.

麦克马洪带领他们取得了20胜62负的战绩。

McMahon had them going twenty and sixty two.

就这样。

That's all.

只是

Just a

大量收据。

lot receipts.

没打比赛时我都没意识到已经九场没有特雷特了。

Hadn't played I didn't realize it was nine games without Tratt.

我以为是八场。

I thought it was eight games.

所以

So

是啊。

Yeah.

我不认为他们...当你查看时，我不觉得他们把太阳队的比赛算进去了。

They didn't I don't think the I don't think by when you looked at it, they they counted the Suns game.

总之就这样吧。

Anyway That's all.

他们的防守一直非常出色。

They've been playing very good defense.

杰伦·约翰逊，我不知道东部周最佳球员会是谁。

Jalen Johnson, I don't know who's gonna win player of the week in the Eastern Conference.

有几个很强的候选人，但杰伦·约翰逊确实有竞争力。

There's some really good candidates, but Jaylen Johnson has got a case.

我打赌会是杰伦·约翰逊。

I would bet on it being Jaylen Johnson.

是啊。

Yeah.

他的数据...他这周打出了职业生涯最佳表现之一。

His number he just he he had one of the best weeks of his career this week.

而且

And

31分、18分、14分和7次三双的表现并不多见。

Not a lot of 31, eighteen, fourteen, and seven steel triple doubles.

这相当不错。

That's pretty good.

是的。

Yes.

那是他在周四对阵爵士队时的表现。

That was when he did against the Jazz on Thursday.

他确实在组织进攻方面有了显著提升。

He's been he's been, really picking up the playmaking more.

我是说，老鹰队的进攻数据全面上升，因为他们必须这样做。

I mean, the the the hawks numbers offensively are up across the board because they have to be.

这不一定是他们的防守问题，你知道，特雷·杨在场时，防守端会面临更大压力，因为对手需要重点盯防他。

It's not necessarily their defense it's e well, you know, of Trae Young, your defense is gonna have a little bit more of a chance because they have to cover.

他们整个防守体系的设计就是为了弥补特雷·杨的防守短板。

Their their entire defensive scheme is designed to cover for Trae Young.

这不是贬低，而是事实。

That's not meant to be an insult that's a reality.

他们用顶级防守球员纳凯尔·亚历山大-沃克取代了特雷·杨的首发位置。

They replaced they replaced Trae Young in the starting lineup with Nakae Alexander Walker, who's an outstanding defender.

看，这其实并不复杂。

Like, this isn't really complicated.

他错过了其中几场比赛。

He's missed a a handful of those games.

我只是说说而已。

I'm just saying.

他们 是啊。

They Yeah.

如果你从联盟中最差的控卫防守者之一特雷·杨换成尼基尔·亚历山大·沃克——他大概是联盟前20%的控卫防守者吧，可能更高。

They if you go from Trae Young, who's one of the worst guard defenders in the league, to Nikhil Alexander Walker, who's one of the he's in the top, what, 20% of guard defenders in the league, something like that, maybe higher.

就像，如果你用他们现有的其他球员完成这种转换，他们现在派出的阵容会非常高大——他和身高六尺八的戴森·丹尼尔斯搭档后场，再加上杰伦·约翰逊以及里沙伊·谢或者奥涅卡·奥孔古，还有克里斯塔普斯·波尔津吉斯。

Like, if you make that flip with the other guys they have there, like, they're rolling out there now with a massive lineup with him and Dyson Daniels at six eight in the backcourt, and then Jalen Johnson and either Rishi Shay or Anyka Okongwu and Kristasporzingis.

他们场上始终保持着巨大的体型优势和运动能力，这证明了在没有特雷长期出战的情况下球队可能的形态。随着特雷缺阵，未来几周对阵更强对手时我们会看到这种阵容的效果。

They've just got a ton of size out there all the time in athleticism, and it's it's a proof of concept for what this team could look like without Trey for an extended period, and we're gonna see how that looks for another several weeks with Trey out when they start to play some better competition.

我们拭目以待吧。上周我在洛杉矶看了他的比赛。

We'll see where that I was at for this last week, I saw him play in LA a couple days ago.

他们让基顿·华莱士担任首发控卫。

They started Keaton Wallace at point guard.

凯森的大哥。

Kaysen's big brother.

那时我才知道他是凯森的哥哥。

That is when I learned that he was Kaysen's brother.

我之前不知道这事。

I did not know that.

我不想听起来像是...你知道他之前效力的球队。

I'd hate to sound like, you know, who he played for.

理查森。

Richardson.

他们的故事。

Story for them.

从双向合同变成了

Went from a two way to

并没有。

a Did not.

一份正式合同，对他们来说是个好故事

A full contract, and it's been a good story for

他们。

them.

我之前不知道这件事。

I did not know that.

那些华莱士家的人会保护你。

Those Wallace's will guard you.

确实如此。

That's true.

他们很少让球员上场。

They play very few guys.

你知道吗？

You know?

我是说，卢·肯纳德显然不是防守悍将，但他们派上场的其他球员基本上要么是中规中矩，要么大多数都是防守尖兵。

I I mean, Lou Kennard is obviously not a lights out defender, but basically, every other guy they're putting out there is either neutral or most of them are plus defenders.

那个阵容看起来相当有趣。

That that's a pretty it's a pretty interesting lineup.

所以，Bon Temps，你提到过这一点。

So, Bon Temps, you you hit on this, though.

这基本上就是他们没有特雷的试用期。

This is basically a trial period for them without Trey.

对吧？

Right?

而且他们离达成续约还差得远。

And they were not close to getting an extension done.

如果续约谈判进展不顺，我认为交易

If you're not close to getting an extension done, then I think the trade

随时都可以完成。

get one done at any time.

只是为了澄清一下。

Just just just for just for clarification's sake.

因为他今年夏天可以成为自由球员，所以理论上他们随时可以续约。

Because he can be a free agent this summer, so they could, in theory, do an extension anytime.

不过通常来说，当你无法与明星球员达成续约时，嗯。

Typically, though, when you're not able to get an extension done with a star Mhmm.

至少交易讨论会被提上日程，作为一种可能性。

Trade discussions are at least on the table, you know, as as a possibility.

这让他们有机会看看没有特雷·杨作为核心的球队会是什么样子。

And this kinda gives them a chance to to see what their team would look like without Trae Young as the centerpiece.

要知道，这个谜题的另一部分显然是——你能获得什么样的价值？

You know, the other piece of that puzzle's gotta be, obviously, what kind of value can you get?

我还是觉得，除非能得到相应的回报，否则不该交易特雷·杨。

I still you know, I I don't think you can trade Trae Young unless you are getting some value in return.

但老鹰队现在正经历的这个无意间形成的小试验期确实挺有意思。

But it's a it is an interesting little unintentional trial period that the Hochs are going through right now.

确实如此。

For sure.

而且他们还赢球了。

And they're winning.

听着，十一月的连胜并不意味着关键时期也能保持这种势头。

And look, just because you have a winning streak in November doesn't mean that you're gonna have that winning streak when it matters.

不过他们确实让人眼前一亮。

But, you know, it they definitely opened some eyes.

周二那场比赛现在值得关注了。

And that game on Tuesday is now a game that deserves to have attention paid to it.

我们看看德恩的情况，他最近也在处理小伤。

We'll see if I know Dern's been dealing with minor injury as well.

是啊，他和凯特都缺席了底特律最近几场胜利，但他们休息了几天。

Well, yeah, he and Kate have both missed the last couple games as Detroit's winning, but they've had they've had a couple days off.

所以理论上他们应该能上场了。

So in theory, they should be ready to go.

然后老鹰队周四将在圣安东尼奥比赛，接着对阵新奥尔良、夏洛特和华盛顿，然后在黑色星期五迎战骑士队。

And then the hawks play, they're at San Antonio on Thursday, and then they've got New Orleans, Charlotte, and Washington before they play Cavs Corner on Black Friday.

所以，他们有机会再赢几场，在东部占据相当不错的位置。

So, like, they've got a chance to rip off a bunch more wins and really put themselves in a pretty decent spot in the East.

而且，我们讨论过很多次了，不管是贾·莫兰特、特雷·杨还是拉梅洛·鲍尔。

And, yeah, like, we've talked a lot about these, you know, whether it's Ja Morant or Trae Young or LaMelo Ball.

这些球员在各自球队的处境都挺有意思，共同点是我实在摸不清他们的市场行情。

Like, there's a lot of these guys who are in sort of interesting spots with their teams, and the common denominator is I'm just not sure what the market is for any of those guys.

你知道，这一切都会很有意思。

And, you know, it's it's all gonna be interesting to see.

按你说的，如果老鹰队能继续保持这种良好状态，杰伦·约翰逊打出全明星水准，那关于特雷的选项和他未来在老鹰的去向，会是个值得关注的数据点。

And to your point, if they if the hawks can continue to play well, play in this way, Jalen Johnson looking like an all star, well, that's it's gonna be an interesting data point going forward to see what happens with Trey and that option and what his future is with the hawks.

看看东部的格局，再看看那些球队，原本预期会领跑东部的两支队伍。

Well, as you take a look at the state of the East, and you look at the teams, the two teams that were, you know, expected to to be at the top of the East.

尼克斯队周一将在迈阿密开始五连客之旅。

The Knicks are beginning a five game road trip on Monday in Miami.

这算不上你见过最艰难的客场之旅。

It is not the most demanding road trip that you will ever see.

但毕竟是连续五个客场，而且他们将

However, it's still a five game road trip, and they are going to be

没有你随行。

without you.

我会在达拉斯和他们会合。

I'll see them in Dallas.

你说不算艰难是什么意思？

What do mean it's not demanding?

嗯，确实如此。

Well, that's true.

独行侠队状态正热。

The Mavericks are hot.

比赛从迈阿密开始，然后转战达拉斯，接着是奥兰多，布鲁克林，再到夏洛特。

The it starts in Miami, then it goes to Dallas, then Orlando, at Brooklyn, at Charlotte.

尼克斯队将失去杰伦·布伦森。

The Knicks are gonna be without Jalen Brunson.

他正在处理脚踝伤势，你知道的，无限期休战，但肯定会缺席对阵迈阿密的那场比赛。

He's dealing with an ankle injury, you know, indefinitely, but gonna definitely miss that Miami game.

然后是OG和阿诺比，Shams在周日报道了这件事。

And then OG and Anobi, Shams reported on Sunday.

OG在周五对阵热火的比赛中离场，那场比赛尼克斯队凭借联盟排名第一的进攻火力拿下了140分，你当时在场。

OG left on Friday's game against the heat, which the Knicks and their number one ranked offense put up a 140 points in the game you were at.

那可是NBA杯赛的重大胜利啊，Bon Temps。

Big NBA Cup win there, Bon Temps.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但OG·阿奴诺比，他一直是个了不起的催化剂，数据亮眼，我认为人们原本期待他能打出更爆炸的数据——因为去年三月杰伦·布伦森因脚踝伤势缺阵时，他打出了职业生涯最强劲的进攻表现。

But OG Anunobi, who's been a, a terrific, catalyst for them, he said put up great numbers and I think was expected to put up really big numbers because when Jalen Brunson was out last year with an ankle injury in March, he had the most prolific offensive run of his career.

嗯。

Mhmm.

他左腿筋拉伤，至少需要休战两周。

He pulled his left hamstring and is gonna be out at least two weeks.

确实如此，整个客场之旅乃至更长时间。

So certainly, whole road trip and longer.

尼克斯队现在的阵容深度确实比过去强，但失去两名主力首发球员，压力会很大。

And so the Knicks, are deeper than they have been in the past, but you lose two of your best starters, it's gonna stress you out.

接下来7到10天对尼克斯队将是个考验。

So the Knicks are gonna get tested over this next seven to ten days.

是啊。

Yeah.

我是说，我喜欢他们的阵容深度。

I mean, I like the depth.

不过说他们比过去更有深度这点值得商榷，毕竟乔丹·克拉克森也是深度的一部分，而我觉得他现在对球队作用有限。

I think them actually being deeper than they've been in the past is a little questionable considering part of that depth is Jordan Clarkson, who I just don't think is that useful a guy for them at this point.

而且没人能替代OG·阿奴诺比或米卡尔·布里奇斯——克拉克森

And there's no replacing OG Anunobi or Mikhail Bridges- Clarkson's

周一能砍下38分。

going to score 38 Monday.

克拉克森周五打出了惊人表现，兰德里·沙梅特在下半场也得了30分。

Clarkson had an incredible game on Friday, and Landry Shammit went for 30 in the second half.

这倒是真的。

That's true.

这些球员确实能得分，但没人能替代OG或米卡尔·布里奇斯的作用。

Those guys can shoot it, but they have nobody to replace OG or Mikhail Bridges.

米卡尔·布里奇斯从不受伤且场场必上，他职业生涯至今全勤，所以这倒不是问题。

Now Mikhail Bridges never gets hurt and plays every obviously, he's played every game of his career, so that hasn't mattered.

但这将是一次重大考验。

But it's going to be a big test.

他们是一支薪资结构头重脚轻的球队，当首发五虎都拿着高薪时就会出现这种情况。

They're a top heavy team, which is what happens when you have five guys in your starting lineup all making big money.

所以如果其中多人缺阵，他们确实需要面对一些质疑，这并不令人意外。

So it's not really a surprise that if multiple of those guys are out, they're gonna have some stuff to answer for.

不过，是的，观察后续发展会很有意思。

But, yeah, it it it will be interesting to see what that looks like.

要知道，腿筋拉伤很棘手，按常理推算OG很可能要缺席一个月。

And, you know, hamstring strains are tricky, and you figure OG is probably gonna miss a month if you're just doing the math on it.

比如，这次客场之旅他就不会随队。

Like, he's not going on this trip.

所以预计两周后他才会接受复查。

So you figure that's already he's getting evaluated in a couple weeks.

这很可能是个需要四周恢复的伤势。

It's probably a four week injury.

而且去年杰伦·布伦森也遭遇同样脚踝扭伤，三月份缺席了15场比赛，季后赛期间还时有跛行。

And, you know, Jalen Brunson had this same ankle sprain last year, and he missed 15 games in March and looked hobbled at times in the playoffs.

所以，你知道的，这确实不理想。

So, you know, it's not ideal.

去年那次伤情特别严重。

That one last year was especially nasty.

当时他脚踝扭曲的方式简直触目惊心。

That one was gruesome the way that his ankle fell.

我知道，但这是

I know, but it's the

我是说同样的，但这是同一个脚踝。

same I mean But it's the same ankle.

就像，当它们相关时。

Like, it's When they concerning.

当他们宣布这是一级时，我惊喜万分。

When they announced that was a grade one, I was pleasantly surprised.

那看起来是因为，你知道，通常当你看到一个人的脚踝变得可怕，看到他的踝骨几乎碰到地面时，你会想到

That looked like because, you know, typically, you see a guy's ankle to get gruesome here, when you see a guy's ankle bone kinda hit the floor there, you're looking at

一个很棒的

a great

鞋子。

shoe.

他立即退出了比赛，穿着步行靴走出了赛场。

Checked out of the game immediately, and he was walking out of the arena in a walking boot.

所以，这确实，我认为，唯一的好消息是这只是一次。但再次强调，这是去年同一只脚踝的扭伤。

So, like, it it was it was certainly, I think, a good piece of good news that it was only a But, grade again, it's the same ankle sprain last year.

这是个担忧。

That's a concern.

希望不会太久，但你知道，这对刚开始找到节奏、表现更好尤其是进攻端的尼克队来说是需要关注的事情。

Hopefully, it's not too long, but, you know, it is it is something to monitor for a Nick team that was starting to get some rhythm and playing better, particularly offensively.

现在他们得重新调整一些策略，同时等待这些球员回归。

And now they've gotta kinda go back to the drawing board with some of that, while they wait for these guys to get back.

顺便说一句，东部进攻效率第一。

By the way, number one offense in the East.

西部有几支球队的进攻比尼克斯更好，不过

There's a couple offenses in the West that are better than the Knicks, but that's

我道歉。

a I apologize.

这是个正确的修正。

That is a correct a correct correction.

我查证过了。

Did check you.

如果我不这么做，休斯顿的球迷会来找我的。

If I don't, I'm gonna hear from my from the folks in Houston.

嘿，炙手可热的休斯顿火箭队仍然是进攻效率第一，甚至优于约基奇和掘金队。

Hey, those red hot Houston Rockets still have number one offense, even better than Joker and the Nuggets.

这很了不起。

That's remarkable.

好的，周一还有东部另一支顶尖球队，他们9胜5负，虽然我不会说骑士队陷入什么困境，但这个9胜5负确实有点不尽如人意。

Okay, so also on Monday, another team that is at the top of the East, they're nine and five, so I wouldn't say that the Cavs are in any sort of trouble, but really sort of an underwhelming nine and five at this point.

他们正面临达柳斯·加兰的伤病问题，他再次伤到了休赛期接受过手术的脚趾。

And they are dealing with an injury to Darius Garland, who reinjured the toe he had surgery on in the off season.

他避免了脚趾再次扭伤。

He avoided re spraining the toe.

他们说这只是挫伤。

They said it was just a contusion.

所以他目前是每日观察状态。

So he's day to day.

他们周一与雄鹿队交手，这支球队在过去几个赛季一直被他们压制，雄鹿队对此感到恼火。

They played the Bucks on Monday, a team that they have owned over the last couple of seasons, and the Bucks are annoyed by it.

今年他们已经对雄鹿队取得过胜利。

They have already won and o against them this year.

去年他们横扫了雄鹿队，字母哥已经多次提到这件事。

They swept them last year, and Giannis has talked about this a few times.

看得出来，他对这个结果并不满意。

Like, he's not thrilled about it.

然后周三火箭队将来到克利夫兰。

Then Wednesday the Rockets come to Cleveland.

这将是一次很好的考验。

So that'll be a good test.

就像我描述埃文·莫布里的情况一样，骑士队也正经历着类似的状况。

The Cavs, the way I've described it is what's happening with Evan Mobley is happening with the Cavs.

他某种程度上成为了骑士队今年表现的缩影。

He is sort of epitomizing what's happening with them this year.

看看莫布里的基础数据，他的表现似乎很出色。

You look at Mobley's basic statistics and it looks like he's doing great.

他场均能得到19分。

He's averaging 19 points.

这是他职业生涯至今的最高场均得分。

That's the most points he's ever averaged in his career.

他场均能抢下9个篮板。

He's averaging nine rebounds.

看起来不错。

Seems good.

他场均能送出4次以上的助攻。

He's averaging four over four assists.

这是他职业生涯场均助攻数的新高。

That's the most assists he's ever averaged.

他场均能贡献1.5次抢断。

He's averaging 1.5 steals a game.

这也是他的生涯最佳表现。

That's the most he's had.

你可能会想：'天啊，这家伙正在冲击他的第二套最佳阵容二阵'。

You'd be like, Oh man, this guy is, you know, he's putting up, you know, he's gonna challenge for another All NBA second team.

但事实是埃文·莫布里的效率全面下滑，各项命中率和效率值都比不上去年，这正是骑士队现状的缩影。

But the truth is that Evan Mobley hasn't been as efficient at all as he was last year's percentages are all down as efficiency numbers are all down, and that is what's happening with the Cavs.

他们仍能交出尚可的数据，但效率值已大幅跳水。

They are still putting up okay numbers, but their efficiency is has plummeted.

从联盟效率值第一（每百回合得分）跌出前十——我觉得他们现在连前十都排不进。

They've gone from number one offense in the league in terms of efficiency, which is points per 100 possessions, to not even being in the top 10, I don't think.

他们基本是靠多诺万·米切尔的超神表现勉强维持。

And they've basically gotten by on Donovan Mitchell being awesome.

德安德烈·亨特也有过高光时刻，但他们的防守只是中规中矩，进攻也平平无奇，容错空间相比去年已经大幅缩水。

Deandre Hunter's had some moments too, but their defense has just been okay and their offense has just been okay and their margin for error has really, really shrunk compared to where they were last year.

他们有几场比赛在篮板球上被彻底打爆了。

And they've had a few nights where they have just gotten their backsides kicked on the glass.

而且他们的进攻表现不如去年那么出色。

And they just aren't as good offensively as they were last year.

但你知道，他们依然名列前茅。

And you know, they're still up there.

要知道去年他们是联盟三分命中数最多的球队。

You know, last year, they led the league in three pointers made.

他们现在三分命中率仍在联盟前列，但三分防守效率却是联盟倒数五名——这去年就是他们的软肋。

They're still up there, but they're bottom five in the league in three point percentage defense, which was a problem for them last year.

当你的三分命中数冠绝联盟，每晚都能赢下三分大战时，命中率高低就不那么关键了。

When you're making more three pointers than everybody in the league and you're gonna win the three point battle every night, the percentage is less important.

但当进攻效率下降时，你们糟糕的三分防守问题就会更加凸显。

But when you're not as efficient offensively, you not being a great three point percentage defense team starts to show up more.

他们所有的问题现在都暴露得更明显了。

It's just everything about them is showing up more.

长话短说，是的，他们有伤病困扰，但很多球队都遭遇伤病。

And, long story short, yes, they're injured, but a lot of teams are injured.

他们已经不是一年前那支队伍了。

They are not the team that they were a year ago.

更何况，一年前那支球队在第二轮就被淘汰了。

And look, the team that were a year ago was out in the second round.

他们本就不该以一年前的标准要求自己。

They're not looking to be the team they were a year ago.

但是，他们，他们现在并不是一支占主导地位的球队。

But, they, They're they are not a dominant team right now.

所以，你知道的，达柳斯·加兰已被证明是他们进攻端非常重要的一部分，现在又因为这次伤病再次受伤了。

So, and you know, Darius Garland, who's been proven to be a very important part of their offense is, you know, is banged up again with with this injury.

所以

So

是的。

Yeah.

我是说，看。

I mean, look.

如果你深入研究数据，就像你说的，布莱恩，他们已不再是去年的那支队伍了。

They if you if you dig into the numbers, right, like you said, Brian, they're not the same team they were last year.

他们选择用朗佐·鲍尔实质上替代泰·杰罗姆，这个决定我们当时都认同，现在依然认为这能提升他们在季后赛的上限。

They chose to replace Ty Jerome essentially with Lonzo Ball, which is a move that we all agreed at the time and I think still do, gives them a higher ceiling in the playoffs.

但朗佐在常规赛的表现更差。

But Lonzo is a worse regular season player.

现在泰·杰罗姆也受伤了——这里要强调一下，因为每个人都受伤了——要强调。

Now Ty Jerome has been hurt from emphasis here because everybody's been hurt from emphasis here.

但去年，泰·杰罗姆是替补席上的进攻利器。

But last year, Ty Jerome was an offensive dynamo off the bench.

他曾是最佳第六人的候选。

He was a six man finalist.

当多诺万·米切尔或达柳斯·加兰不在场上时，他提供了另一个创造投篮机会的选择。

He gave them another guy to create shots whenever Donovan Mitchell or Darius Carlton wasn't on the court.

今年，达里厄斯·卡尔顿已经打了73分钟。

And this year, Darius Carlton's played seventy three minutes.

显然，当多诺万·米切尔在场时，泰·杰罗姆也上场了，骑士队的进攻效率达到120，这非常出色。

Obviously, Ty Jerome has And played when Donovan Mitchell has been on the court, Cavs have had an offensive rating of 120, which is very good.

这个数据在联盟中排名前五。

It's up in the top five somewhere in the league.

当多诺万·米切尔不在场时，骑士队的进攻效率是106.9，下降了13分，这将是联盟中最差的表现之一。

When Donovan Mitchell has been off the court, the Cavs offensive rating is 106.9, 13 points lower, and would be one of the worst in the league.

我相信，当多诺万·米切尔坐在替补席时，骑士队每百回合要少得18分。

And the Cavs are, I believe, 18 points per 100 possessions worse when Donovan Mitchell's on the bench.

很明显，就像你说的，布莱恩，他必须付出一些超乎寻常的努力才能让他们在赛季初期赢得一些比赛。

Pretty obvious it's pretty obvious that, like you said, Brian, he's had to have some herculean efforts for them to win some of these games early on.

当他不在场时，他们得分极其困难，这并不难理解，因为你既没有达里厄斯·加兰，也没有其他能在后场创造进攻机会的球员。但这在赛季初期就给多诺万·米切尔带来了巨大的损耗，我认为这才是最大的担忧。

And when he's not on the court, they have an extremely hard time scoring, which is not rocket science when you don't have Darius Garland and you don't really have another guy to generate offense in the backcourt, but it is putting an awful lot of wear and tear on Donovan Mitchell early on in the season, and I think that's really the biggest concern.

我们之前讨论过，过去我们看到多诺万·米切尔在赛季后期和季后赛中状态下滑。

We've talked about some before is we've seen Donovan Mitchell wear down late in the season and in the playoffs in the past.

去年，骑士队竭尽全力想要避免这种情况，但最终还是发生了。

And last year, the Cavs did everything they could to mitigate that, and it still happened anyway.

我认为，是的，他们开局不错。

And I think, you know, yes, they're off to a solid start.

他们挺过了一些比赛，但这给他带来了很大的压力。

They've survived some of these games, but it's putting a lot of strain on him.

我认为，未来的担忧是：他们在11月份是否给他施加了太多压力？

And I think going forward, that's the concern is are they putting too much strain on him in November?

嗯，隆佐·鲍尔，当球队拥有达柳斯·加兰时，你可以充分论证他更适合那个阵容。

Well, and Lonza Ball, you can make a strong case as a better fit for that roster when they have Darius Garland.

他们基本上整个赛季都没有达柳斯·加兰。

They haven't had Darius Garland basically all season.

是的。

Yes.

所以你们没有加兰。

And you so you don't have Garland.

你们也没有杰罗姆。

You don't have Jerome.

基本上你们只有一个主要进攻组织者。

You basically have one guy to be a primary creator.

我敢肯定赛季中会有那么些时候，他们得选择放弃某些比赛。

And I'm sure there's gonna be times throughout the course of the season where they're gonna have, you know, they're gonna have to pick some games to kinda punt.

比如，你不能指望多诺万承担这样的工作量。

Like, you can't expect Donovan to have this kind of workload.

实际上他们上周在迈阿密就选择放弃一场比赛，结果却赢了。

They actually they actually picked a game to punt last week in Miami, and they won it.

看吧，这不就来了。

Well, there you go.

然后周五回来又输了。

And then they came back on Friday and lost.

输给多伦多后，他们对阵孟菲斯时大部分时间落后，却在第四节上演疯狂逆转。

Lost to Toronto, and then they were down they were down a lot of the game to Memphis and then had a crazy fourth quarter turnaround.

由多诺万领导。

And Led by Donovan.

多诺万。

Donovan.

由多诺万领导。

Led by Donovan.

那很棒。

It was great.

是啊。

Yeah.

你知道，但骑士队的目标不是赢个60多场比赛并成为头号种子。

You know, but the the goal for the Cavs isn't to win 60 something games and be the number one seed.

他们已经做到过了。

They've they did that.

你看，他们的目标是做好准备在季后赛走得更远，并赢得东部冠军。

You know, the goal for them is to be positioned to make a deeper playoff run and to win the Eastern Conference.

当然，不是说你想要一个更差的常规赛战绩，但如果你现在必须解决问题以便在四月份处于更好的位置，这就是现实。

And, you know, obviously, not like you want a worse regular season record, but, you know, again, if you if you have to work through stuff now and and to be better positioned in April, that's life.

稍后继续收听更多《Hoop Collective》播客。

More Hoop Collective podcast after this.

我们刚才也提到了魔术队。

We also mentioned the Magic a minute ago.

魔术队在输给火箭队之前已经三连胜，看起来他们正在找回状态。

The Magic had won three in a row before they lost in Houston, you know, looking like they were finding their footing.

保罗·本卡罗因腹股沟伤势已缺席了几场比赛，这伤是本周早些时候在纽约受的。

Now, Paolo Bencaro has missed a couple of games with a groin injury that he suffered, in New York earlier this week.

就是这么个情况。

So that's a thing.

预计他不会长期缺阵。

It's not expected to keep him out for extended period.

但你知道，今晚那本该是他们的一场重要胜利。

But, you know, that would have been a really big win for them tonight.

结果火箭队有杜兰特，杜兰特砍下35分，我记得第四节加时赛好像得了12分左右。

Instead, the Rockets had Durant and Durant had 35, I think maybe 12 or something like that in the fourth quarter in overtime.

对于没看比赛的人来说，当时比赛还剩5秒打平，火箭队前场发球试图传给凯文·杜兰特，结果他摔倒了。

Well, for people that didn't see it, this game was tied with five seconds to go, and the Rockets had the ball in the front court and tried to inbound the ball to Kevin Durant, who fell down.

魔术队后卫安东尼·布莱克因此获得空位扣篮/上篮机会，在最后一秒被阿尔帕沙贡犯规，让魔术领先2分。

And so the Magic's guard Anthony Black got a wide open dunk or layup with a second left that got fouled by Alpashangoon to put them up by two.

他随后罚球不中，火箭队叫暂停，发球给沙贡，他在终场哨响时投进一球将比赛拖入加时。

He then missed a free throw, and then the Rockets called timeout, inbounded the ball to Shangoon, he hit a bucket at the buzzer to send the game to overtime.

这就是比赛最后五秒的戏剧性场面，

So that that was the final five seconds of this game,

简直疯狂。

which was crazy.

他们原本领先3分，结果杜兰特用一记凌厉的变向撤步投篮追平。

That, they had had a three point lead, and Durant hit this wicked crossover step back.

没错。

Yep.

为了扳平比分。

To tie the game.

为了扳平比分。

To tie the game.

是的。

Yes.

所以这太疯狂了。

So It's crazy.

那是个高难度的

It was a it was a high

加时赛。

over time.

也很狂野。

Was wild too.

德斯·贝恩那边有些恶作剧。

There were some hijinks with Des Bain.

他当时很投入。

He was getting into it.

里德·谢泼德。

Reed Shepherd.

当时发生了各种各样的事情。

There there was all kinds of stuff going on.

里德·谢泼德用了那老一套，你知道的，你封盖我的投篮还瞪我，然后我就伸出腿想绊倒你。

Reed Shepherd did the old, you know, you you block my shot and mean mugged me and, you know, let me stick my leg out and try to trip you.

我认为那是在加时赛之前，但那是在第四节。

I think that was before the overtime, but that that That was the fourth quarter.

是啊。

Yeah.

是啊。

Yeah.

是啊。

Yeah.

那是在第四节的时候。

That was in the fourth quarter.

老兄，我们能不能聊聊KD在19年依然是个顶级得分手，而且状态几乎没下滑这件事？

Dude, can we talk about the fact that KD is still, like, an elite scorer in year '19, and then there's been very little drop off there?

现在他在休斯顿的处境正好填补了球队急需核心得分手的空缺。

And now he's in a situation in Houston where he just fills this glaring void as a go to guy.

我是说，他开局就表现惊人。

I mean, he's off to an incredible start.

我是说，你看。

I mean, look.

休斯顿确实还有其他变化，但去年火箭队常规赛的进攻效率只排在第十二位。

There's there's some other things that have changed in Houston, but last year, the Rockets last season and offensive rating in the regular season were twelfth.

今年他们跃居第一，当然还有其他变化因素。

This year, they're first, and other things change.

比如申京打得非常出色，诸如此类。

Shangoon has played great, etcetera, etcetera.

里德·谢泼德真的开始崭露头角了。

Reed Shepherd's really starting to play.

里德·谢泼德表现得很出色。

Reed Shepherd's played well.

很多其他事情都变了，但迪伦·布鲁克斯是个效率低下的射手，而杰伦·格林也是个效率非常低的射手。

A lot of other things have changed, but Dylan Brooks is an inefficient shooter, and Jalen Jalen Green is a very inefficient shooter.

他们用他换来了凯文·杜兰特。

They swapped him out for Kevin Durant.

这就是为什么他们从一支起伏不定、必须靠进攻篮板才能取得成功的球队，变成联盟最佳进攻球队的重要原因——虽然依然疯狂抢进攻篮板，但场上还有凯文·杜兰特这样的得分手。

And that's a that's a pretty giant part of why they went from being a up and down offensive team that really needed to offensive rebound to have any success to having the best offense in the league, still offensive rebounding like crazy, but also having Kevin Durant out there to make shots.

是啊。

Yeah.

凯文·杜兰特

Kevin Durant

场均26分，投篮命中率51%，三分40%，罚球89%。

averaging averaging 26 on fifty one forty eighty nine shooting.

这相当不错。

That's pretty good.

让我告诉你一些关于凯文·杜兰特的事。

Me just tell you something about Kevin Durant.

这是他职业生涯的第十九个赛季。

So he has played this is his nineteenth season.

你知道的，他因为跟腱伤势缺席过一整年。

He's you know, he missed the one year with Achilles injury.

仍然是第十九个赛季。

Still nineteenth season.

他的职业生涯中，让我们看看，27%的投篮出手是三分球。

He has taken in his career, let's see here, 27% of his shots in his career have been three pointers.

20%的投篮来自16英尺到三分线之间。

20% of his shots have been from 16 to the three point line.

所以他几乎50%，或者说大约50%的投篮是中远距离跳投。

So almost 50% of his shots, or about 50% of his shots are mid to long range jumpers.

对吧？

Right?

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

其中大部分都受到了防守干扰。

Most of them have been contested.

我没有具体数据，但我猜很多投篮都有人贴身防守。

I don't I don't have that stat, but I'm gonna guess a lot of them have had a guy in his face.

目前他连续第十五个赛季投篮命中率超过50%。

He is right now shooting over 50% for the fifteenth consecutive season.

他是这项运动史上最出色的中距离射手。

He's the best mid best midrange shooter in the history of the game.

我要更进一步说。

I'll go beyond that.

我认为他是这项运动史上最伟大的得分手。

I think he's the best scorer in the history of the game.

是的。

Yes.

我

I

同意。

agree.

他，他就是勒布朗也会同意你的观点。

He he is he is LeBron would agree with you on that.

如果你走进实验室打造一个理想型，我之前说过。

If you went in a lab and built the ideal I said this before.

如果你在实验室里创造一个理想型的NBA得分机器，那结果就是凯文·杜兰特。

If you went in a lab and created the ideal person to be a scoring machine in the NBA, you would spit out Kevin Durant.

他拥有完美的勾手和跳投。

He's got a perfect hook and jump shot.

他能控球。

He can handle the ball.

他身高七英尺。

He's seven feet tall.

他能在球场上任何位置得分。

He can go anywhere on the court.

他，他能在任何人头上投篮。

He he can shoot over anybody.

你根本无法真正干扰他的任何投篮，因为他能随心所欲到达任何位置。

You can't really contest any shot that he wants to take because he can get anywhere he wants.

比如，他职业生涯中某场比赛只差38或39分没拿到，就是因为他从来都没真正努力过

Like and he only didn't score, like, 38 or 39 in a game or something during his career because he was always never really trying

去做到。

to do it.

在那十五年里，他只有两次场均出手20次。

In that fifteen years, he's only averaged 20 shots twice.

老兄，他从不强求出手。

Man, he doesn't hunt shots.

不。

No.

他不会拒绝出手。

He doesn't take no.

我是说他不会投糟糕的球。

I say he doesn't take bad shots.

他投的那些球对大多数人来说都是糟糕选择，但他不会投那些你知道的、明显分析起来对他不利的球——当然有些进攻时间快到点的被迫出手除外。

He takes shots that would be bad shots for most human beings, but he does not take shots that you know, there's obviously some late shot clock things that he has to get up, but he doesn't take shots that analytically are poor shots for him.

而且他总是配合团队节奏打球。

And he's always played within the flow of a team.

他从不试图霸占球权或破坏进攻节奏之类的。

He's never, like, tried to dominate the ball or hijack an offense or anything.

就像他...我是说...他确实...

It's like he I mean, he's yeah.

我认为这项运动历史上从没有人在得分全面性上能超过

I I don't think there's ever been anybody that's been more complete at being able to score in the in the history of the sport than

在他转投金州勇士队之前，他已经赢得了过去五个得分王中的四个。

Before he left for Golden State, he'd won four of the previous five scoring titles.

我是说，如果他留在那里，很多事情都会不一样，但你知道，他可能就会和勒布朗在得分上并驾齐驱。

I mean, if he had stayed there, I mean, lot of things would be different, but, you know, he, you know, he might be right there with LeBron for the scoring.

我是说，他我是说，他

I mean, he I mean, he's

他嗯，他还

he's Well, he's also

我是说，

I mean,

他因为伤病缺席了很多比赛。

he's missed a lot of time with injuries.

我觉得那是

I think that's

唯一

the only

他没能继续领跑得分榜的原因。

reason he isn't there for the scoring.

是啊。

Yeah.

但他他是他主动选择不再争夺得分王。

But he's he's he made a conscious decision not to keep winning scoring titles.

他试图优先考虑不同的事情。

He tried to prioritize different things.

有些事已经解决了。

Some of it's worked out.

有些还没有。

Some of it hasn't.

曾经和埃迪·塞夫科打过赌，他现在在马克·库班那里，算是小牛队体育记者的半退休状态。

Did once make a wager with Eddie Sefko, who's now in the Mark Cuban, semi retirement home for sports writers with the Mavericks.

但那时还是早间新闻时期。

But it was with the morning news at time.

总之，我打了个赌。

Anyways, I made a wager.

那还是KD连琼斯骨折都没发生的时候。

This is back when I think it was pre Jones fracture even for KD.

我赌他职业生涯总得分会超过贾巴尔。

I I bet that he would finish his career with more points than Kareem.

我为此押了一千美元。

And I bet a thousand dollars on it.

一千美元？

A thousand dollars?

呃，当时那个...那个...

Well, there was there there were

那时候这可是笔大数目。

That's a big number back then.

这...

That's

桌上摆着几瓶啤酒，而且账单上已经记了几笔。

There were there were there were beers on the table and, you know, a few on the tab already.

但我把价格砍到了一百。

But I negotiated down to a 100.

我觉得我可能得把这笔账付清。

I don't think I think I probably have to pay it off.

我确实提到了卡里姆，因为我说过勒布朗也会打破那个纪录。

I did say Kareem because I I said LeBron's also gonna break that record.

结果我那回还真说对了。

I ended up being right on that one.

但老兄，凯蒂光看数据统计都会成为历史得分榜前三或前四的人物。

But, dude, Katie's gonna end up being a top three or four, like, all time scorer just in statistically.

天啊。

Man.

一千美元啊。

A thousand dollars.

我我当时

I I was

是啊。

yeah.

当时我的血液酒精浓度看着像三分球命中率似的。

My my blood alcohol level looked like a three point percentage at the time.

顺便说一句，我还是不排除他能追上韩国人的可能性。

I still wouldn't rule out, by the way, him catching Korean.

不。

No.

如果他参加，那我就能收获。

If he does, then I'll collect.

嗯，我得说，你知道的，他非常渴望参赛。

Well, I will say that, you know, he is heavily motivated to play.

就像，你懂的吧？

Like, he's you know?

比如，他绝对想在28年奥运会上效力。

Like, he's he definitely wants to play on the Olympic team in '28.

我是说，凯文都37岁了。

I mean, Kevin's 37.

其实，只要不再受大伤，他完全可以轻松再打几年——虽然他已经受过重伤了，但投篮能力会一直保持，只要他想打就能打。

Like, he could he could easily play several more years as long as he doesn't have any other significant in mean, he's already had a significant injury, but, like, I mean, he's going be able to shoot the ball for as long as he wants to play.

碾压众人。

Over people.

不仅仅是...这是...

Not just It's

他现在还能轻松过人。

like he's blowing by people now.

他依然保持着运动能力，但更重要的是，只要他愿意，他始终会是那个能投能突的七尺长人。

Like, he's still athletic, but I mean, he's still going to be a seven footer with skill and the ability to hit a jumper as long as he wants to do it.

是啊。

Yeah.

当时有一个切入的情况。

There was there was a a cut situation.

我记得是在那场比赛的加时阶段，有个叫汤普森的球员上来做掩护。

I believe it was in the overtime of that game, and a men Thompson came up to set a screen.

我跟你说过，凯蒂也告诉那些年轻球员，嘿。

And I've told you, Katie's told those young guys like, hey.

当我想要球的时候，我会让你知道的。

When I when I want the ball, I'll let you know.

你要打得有侵略性。

You know, be aggressive.

做好你的事。

Do your thing.

但是，汤姆和凯蒂说，不行。

But, I mean, Tom and Katie said, no.

退后。

Back up.

我忘了是谁要上。

I forgot I forgot who was going.

他说，我不需要他的——哦，是特里斯坦·达席尔瓦。

He's like, I don't need his oh, it was Tristan da Silva.

对。

Yeah.

我这里不需要掩护。

I don't need a screen here.

让开。

Get out of the way.

我来搞定这个。

I I got this

一个。

one.

有个男人想把Des Bain（我猜是这个名字）弄到镜头前，Kevin直接说：'滚开'。

A man was trying to bring Des Bain, I think, over into screen, and Kevin was just like, get out of here.

我没事。

I'm good.

是啊。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这几乎和几分钟后Cooper Flagg在

It was almost the exact same shot that Cooper Flagg took a few minutes later in

哦，咱们

Oh, let's

他比赛的第四节尝试的投篮一模一样，虽然没进，但动作基本如出一辙。

the fourth quarter of his game, and he didn't quite make it, but it was basically the same move.

到了15英尺处，Kevin这招用过无数次了。

Got to 15 feet, and Kevin's made that move a million times.

又一次，他来到15英尺处起身投篮。

Again, he gets to 15 feet and rises up.

他每次都能随心所欲地出手投篮，毫无问题。

He can get to where he wants and shoot that shot every time without a problem.

好吧，杰克逊提到今晚是杜兰特职业生涯第170场得分35+5的比赛，与威斯布鲁克并列NBA历史第九。

Well, Jackson says tonight was the 170 game in Durant's career that he had thirty five and five, which ties Westbrook for ninth most in NBA history.

而威斯布鲁克，你知道的，就是个数据收割机。

And Westbrook's, you know, a stat stuffing machine.

好的，你刚才提到了库珀·邦坦普斯。

All right, so you mentioned Cooper Bontemps.

麦克马洪，库珀·弗拉格，你之前说过他今晚表现优异，21分16投9中，8篮板5助攻2抢断2盖帽。

McMahon, Cooper Flagg, you said earlier with a high quality performance in this game tonight, 21 points at nine to 16 shooting at eight rebounds, five assists, steal two blocks.

你也指出了，显然，独行侠队开局确实有些波折

And you identified that, you know, obviously, the Mavericks have had a turbulent first

第一 你当然不。

first You don't certainly.

可以这么说吧。

That's one way to put it.

有些人甚至开始批评库珀了。

Some people have have deigned to, like, criticize Cooper.

而且问题是这样的。

And and here's the thing.

听着。

Look.

独行侠队令人失望吗？

Have the Mavericks been disappointing?

是的。

Yeah.

我是说，他们现在四岁和十岁了。

I mean, they're four and ten now.

当然。

Sure.

库珀·弗拉格让人失望了吗？

Has Cooper Flagg been a disappointment?

这太荒谬了。

That's ridiculous.

再说一次

Again

我要提醒大家，大约一周半前，麦克马洪是带头讨论其他年度最佳新秀人选的人。

I will remind everyone that McMahon was the one leading the charge to talk about other people for rookie of the year about a week and a half ago.

好的。

Okay.

我只是...我只是善意地指出这一点。

I just I just kindly point that out.

我更多是在说还有其他新秀开局表现火热。

It was a little bit more to I just said that there was other other rookies who were off to a sizzling start.

顺便说一句，VJ·埃奇库姆已经...你知道的，他冷静下来了。

By the way, VJ Edgecombe is is you know, he's calmed down.

是的。

Yes.

他也稍微冷静下来了。

He's calmed down some too.

我只想说，18岁的球员不可能一进NBA就立刻成为赢球的关键人物。

All I'm gonna say is 18 year olds don't step into the NBA in Impact winning.

这种情况从未发生过。

It doesn't happen.

字面意义上，NBA历史上从未有过18岁球员在季后赛中扮演重要角色的先例。

It literal there's literally never been an 18 year old who played a significant role on a playoff game.

最接近这个成就的是科比，他新秀赛季场均7.6分，投篮命中率41.7%。

The closest that's come to that was Kobe who averaged 7.6 per game as a rookie and shot 41.7% from the floor.

现在看看库珀今晚的数据：21分、8个篮板、5次助攻，还有几次盖帽和一次抢断。

Now Cooper flagged the line he put up tonight, 21 points, eight rebounds, five assists, a couple blocks and a steal.

这是18岁球员从未达成过的成就。

Never been done before by an 18 year old.

如果把盖帽数据剔除，只有几场勒布朗的比赛数据接近，仅此而已。

If you wanna take the blocks out, there's a few LeBron games in there, and and that's it.

20分，零失误。

20 points, no turnovers.

库珀作为18岁球员已经两次做到这一点。

Cooper's done that twice now as an 18 year old.

科比做到过一次。

Kobe did it once.

除此之外再无人达成。

Nobody else has ever done it before.

我是说，我可以列出一长串，比如20场比赛。

I mean and I I can go down a long list, like 20 games.

那是他的第四个。

That's his fourth.

科比有四个。

Kobe had four.

勒布朗有14个。

LeBron had 14.

而且，老兄，唯一能与他18岁时表现相提并论的只有勒布朗。

And, like, dude, the the comparison the only comparison to what he's doing as an 18 year old is LeBron.

而且，你知道，就像

And there have been, you know, like

请允许我指出这一点，因为你知道，我一直在说库珀的情况让我想起勒布朗。

Allow me to point this out because, you know, I've keep talking about how Cooper's situation reminds me so much of LeBron's.

勒布朗职业生涯的第一个月，他打了17场比赛。

LeBron's first month of his career, he played 17 games.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这是他的数据。

Here were his stats.

现在

Now

我已经看完14个了，但你可以继续

I get through I have through 14, but you can go

哦，请继续。

Oh, go ahead.

因为那是那是库珀在做的事吗？

Because that is that is Cooper's that doing?

现在是14。

Now 14.

是的。

Yeah.

我得做14。

I have to do 14.

为了让大家有个概念

And just to put this in perspective

是的。

Yeah.

请继续。

Go ahead.