泰勒·斯威夫特谈重获母带权、结束时代巡演与演艺人生 | NHTV

他那个

he that's

他就知道这些了。

all he got about.

尽管你我都说过无数次，无论你多想给《新高度》节目点赞，我都要把功劳归给她的继承者们。对吧？我把功劳归给她们，因为如果不是当初看了那场表演，被深深吸引、完全着迷，然后带着如此强烈的渴望想认识你。

And as much as much as you and I've told you this as much as you wanna, you know, give New Heights credit. I give the heirs to her credit. Yeah? I give the heirs to her credit because if I would have never gone to that show and been mesmerized and just been captivated Yeah. And then left with such a desire to want to meet you.

噢。我就不会跑到这儿来告诉大家我有多受伤。是啊。我从未如此沉浸在对你的好奇中。

Aw. I would have never went on here and told everybody how butthurt I was. Yeah. I had never just been so engulfed in the curiosity of who you were.

哦，太棒了。你最后那句话最妙的是，在遇到泰勒之前，你连‘engulf’这个词是什么意思都不知道。瞧，你的视野已经开阔了这么多。

Oh, that's wonderful. I really best things about that last statement is you didn't even know what the word engulf meant before, like, you met Taylor. Like, this is you've broadened your horizons so far.

我们是天造地设的一对，真的。她让我变得好太多了。所以

It we're the perfect I'm telling you. It's so she makes me so much better. So

谢谢你这么说。谢谢你这么说。还有

Thank you for saying that. Thank you for saying And

然后当你站在舞台上，看到你能让整个体育场沸腾的样子。而当我私下和你相处时，却感觉像认识了一辈子。那是我有过的最轻松的对话，充满乐趣，简直让我震惊到无以复加——就像俗话说的那样。

then but it's like you see you on the stage and you see how crazy you can get an entire stadium going. And then I get you in a room and it's like, I've known you forever. It's like, it was just the easiest conversation I ever had, and it was just so much fun that it just it knocked my socks off from what they say.

震惊到无以复加。

Knocked your socks off.

是啊。谢谢。那种感觉我

Yeah. Thank you. That's I felt

完全相同的感受。我从未在舞台上体验过如此令人着迷的事物，而后又在现实中遇见如此真实而美好的存在。

the same exact way. Had never I had never experienced something so mesmerizing on stage and then so real and so beautiful in person.

嘿，那应该是

Hey. That's Should

我该离开吗？我这就——

I should I leave? I'm just gonna

老实说，我觉得是。哦抱歉，重点是我认为所有人都该离开。

I think so. Honestly. Oh, sorry. Point. I think everyone should leave.

我现在不知道接下来该去哪儿。你们在多少个国家进行了《继承者》巡演？

I don't know where to go from here now. What how many countries did you do the heiress tour in?

四万七千个国家，杰森。

47,000 countries, Jason.

你开场时就列过这个数据了。

You just listed that in the beginning.

我说过51个城市，虽然不确定是否准确。

Well, I said 51 cities, which I don't know if that's correct.

很多国家。150个。真正有趣的是，我们刚开始约会时，他就说一直想去欧洲度假、看看澳大利亚、游历亚洲。而我想，正好我有巡演可以满足这个愿望，懂吗？

A lot of countries. 150. What was really fun about all the countries that we went to is when we first started dating, he he was like, I always wanted to go and really vacation in Europe and see Australia and, you know, go to Asia. And I was like, well, I got I got a tour for that. You know?

快到了。

It's coming up.

哦，太好了。你们能安排一个六英尺五英寸的向导吗？

Oh, nice. You got room for a six five guide?

是的，我们可以想办法。虽然尺寸有点夸张，但我们会腾出空间的。可能得留下一些装备箱。

Yeah. We can figure it out. Like, no. That's the dimensions are wild, but we'll make some room. I think we'll have to leave some some equipment trunks behind.

感谢你们的配合。

Thank you for accommodating.

虽然个头大了点，但我们绝对乐意接纳你。那时候我们周游世界，在不上台时就度假冒险——欧洲特别有趣，澳大利亚也棒极了。

The size. But, but, absolutely, we'd be happy to have you. And we got to, you know, we got to travel the world and have vacations and adventures when I wasn't on stage, which was really fun because, like, Europe was so fun. Australia is amazing.

是啊。

Yeah.

没错，那段日子很棒。我巡演了那么久，现在终于停下脚步。这感觉真好，因为我能重拾爱好了——巡演时我满脑子只装得下'这周要改编什么歌曲混搭'。

Yeah. It was great. And and that entire part of our lives, like, I was on tour for so long, and now I finally am not on tour. And it's it's kinda great because I'm getting my hobbies back. Like, when I was on tour, all I had the bandwidth for was what's the acoustic mashup this week?

或者'葡萄牙语版的欢迎来到Eris巡演怎么说'。现在终于不用被这些占据大脑了。

What how do I say welcome to the Eris tour in Portuguese? You know, that was the only thing taking up my brain space. And now it's

看泰勒在家真正喜欢做什么，真的很有意思。

It's been so fun to see what Taylor actually gets into around the house.

我的爱好大概都能归类为'十八世纪老奶奶会做的事'——全是些复古的手工活计。

It's like, I'd say all my hobbies could be categorized as, like, hobbies you could have had in the seventeen hundreds. You know? Like, I get all my granny shit.

你是说你其实很享受这些居家活动？这就是你想表达的吧？

You enjoy doing all of these homey things. Is that that's basically what you're saying?

是的，我喜欢缝纫。正如你所知，我专攻儿童钱包和婴儿毯子。我只做这两样东西，仅此而已。

Yeah. I like to sew. I specialize, as you know, in in children's purses and baby blankets. I make two things, and that's it.

非常了解。她非常

Know that very well. She's very

擅长这两件事。

good at these two things.

我喜欢画画。我喜欢烹饪。我每六个月就会沉迷于不同的烘焙爱好。

I love to paint. I love to cook. I have a different baking obsession every six months.

我是世界上最幸运的男人。

I am the luckiest man in the world.

现在。就

Right now. Right

现在，我们，我们深深沉迷于酸面团，这占据了我的生活。

now, we're, we're very deep in a sourdough obsession that has taken my life.

我知道。是的。我现在也深陷其中。你让我也深陷其中了。

I am aware. Yeah. And I'm very deep in it now. You've got me deep in this.

我很幸运，我很幸运，我我我现在工作这么多，跑步这么多，因为我摄入了足够的热量。

I'm lucky I'm lucky I'm I'm I'm working as as much as I am and running as much as I am because I am I am getting the caloric intake.

是的。他他问我

Yeah. He he asked me

为了在训练营给他送两条酸面包。我正忙着用保鲜膜之类的包裹酸面包。酸面包已经完全占据了我的生活，我现在60%的时间都在谈论面包。它已经变成了一个非常重要的因素。

to send him two loaves of sourdough at training camp. I'm like I'm like wrapping sourdough loaves in, like like, saran wrap or whatever, like like, cling film. The sourdough's taken over my life in a huge way. I'm really talking about bread 60% of the time now. It's it's become it's become a huge, huge factor.

我是说，她现在很擅长做各种不同版本的酸面包。

I mean and she's getting good with making all these different versions of it.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

对。我最喜欢的可能是普通的酸面包，但蓝莓味的也很棒。

Yeah. My favorite one was probably I mean, the regular sourdough is one of my favorites, but the blueberry.

是的。我们做了蓝莓柠檬味的，还有肉桂卷、肉桂葡萄干的。

Yeah. We do there's a blueberry lemon. There's cinnamon swirl, cinnamon raisin.

还有

And

这个是我为女孩们特别研发的，因为她们喜欢所有彩虹色的东西，比如彩糖酸面包。

this one I've been workshopping for the girls because they love everything rainbow, funfetti sourdough.

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

那会

That's gonna

让她们兴奋不已的。

blow their mind.

不，会的。因为他们喜欢糖粒。就像，我们聚会时，你知道的，我们在所有东西上都撒糖粒。

No. It will. Because they love sprinkles. Like, we put, you know, we put sprinkles in everything when we hang out.

是啊。

Yeah.

真的，没错。

It's really, yeah.

她现在彻底是个面包懒人了。

She's a loafer for life now.

对。而且越来越沉迷做面包了。这边简直疯狂。我整天就是烤面包、发短信问朋友‘能寄点面包给你吗？我需要反馈’。

Yeah. And it's it's gotten it's gotten Loafer. Pretty crazy over here. I'm just, like, always, like, baking bread and texting my friends and being like, can I send you some bread? I need some feedback.

这个比上次那个更喜欢吗？我调整了发酵方式。我现在混迹在酸面团博客里——原来有整整一个社群，而我以前完全不知道

Do you like this one better than you liked the other one? Like, I did the rise a little differently. I'm on, like, sourdough blogs. There's a whole there's a whole community of us, and I didn't know

天啊。

Oh my gosh.

这是个

This is an

奇怪的世界。还指望你在他们博客上呢。

odd world. Hoping that you're on their blog.

噢，我关注你博客了姐妹。但关键是，我原来不知道世界上有这么多同类——这就是互联网美好的一面。在这里你可以打造一个只属于酸面团的世界，而我上网基本就两件事：研究酸面团，还有看Travis在Ins算法推给我的水獭视频。

Oh, I'm on your blog. Girl, I'm on your blog. But it's like, I just didn't know this. There's people like me out there, and this is where the Internet is good. This is where the Internet is a good place where you can curate a reality where, like, all I really use the Internet for is sourdough and when Travis shows me videos of otters on his Instagram algorithm.

我是说我想要

I mean I want

它就像只野生动物。

It's like a wild animal.

我超想要一只野生水獭。我就想找到这些小动物。

I want a wild otter so bad. I just wanna, like, find these little creatures.

是啊。他不养它们。他想要一只。

Yeah. He doesn't keep with them. He wants one.

野生的。为什么不要？因为它们不都是野生的吗？

Wild one. Why wouldn't you Because it's all how Aren't they all wild?

哦不，有家养的。有家养水獭。

Oh, no. There's domestic. There's domestic otters.

他特别想要一只他救过命的，知道是他救了它的水獭。

Wants one specifically whose life he saved, who knows that he saved his life.

能感受到恩情的。对。

Who feels Yeah.

没错。

Yes.

他在找一种非常特定类型的水獭。

It's a really specific type of otter he's looking for.

我看的视频就是有人划着独木舟。

The the videos that I watch are somebody just in a canoe.

对。他不想，比如说，靠近一只水獭然后从它妈妈那里夺走它。不。他想看到一只水獭，而水獭的爪子被贝壳夹住了。然后他说，我来帮你。

Yeah. He doesn't wanna, like, go up to an otter and take it from its mother. No. He wants to see an otter, and the otter's like, my paws caught in the shell. And he's like, I got you.

然后水獭就用它的小爪子表示永远的感谢。接着

And then the otter's like, thank you forever with its little paws. And then

每隔几天给它们带些凤尾鱼

bring them anchovies every

然后你在划皮艇，它就这样对你。就像，这就是他想要的。

couple And then it's and you're kayaking, and it's like doing this to you. Like, that's what he wants.

而我

And I

说实话，我也想要这样。

want it to, honestly.

谁不想呢？我是说，谁不想呢？

Who doesn't? I mean, who doesn't?

是啊。对吧？是啊。所以我

Yeah. Right? Yeah. So I

我是说，水獭吃面包吗？我们能找到一只吃酸面包的水獭吗？那可能

mean, do otters eat bread? Can we get a sourdough eating otter? That might

要做到完美。我们会想办法解决的。等等，让我想想。

be perfect. We're gonna figure that out. Think Hold on.

我不确定他们是否

I don't know if they

会这么做。

do.

我不知道。他们大概

I don't know. They're probably

不过，我们之前讨论过，或许可以随身带几罐沙丁鱼，以防万一遇到这种情况。

But, yeah, we had discussed maybe, like, carrying around cans of sardines just in case we run into one.

不错的主意。

Nice.

理论上听起来比实际操作要好。更容易...更容易在概念上理解

It's it's it's better in principle than it is in practice. Easier to easier to conceptualize

实际上你只需要去划独木舟就行。

the actual You just gotta go canoeing.

划独木舟也是理论上比实践简单。是啊。对我们来说，光是重量平衡就

Which is also easier in principle than it is in practice Yeah. Yep. For us in terms of just the weight balance

对身体的影响。

on the body.

我正在寻找一个朋友。

I'm on the hunt for a friend.

好吧。是的。

Alright. Yeah.

那些你原本不知道自己需要知道的事情。对吧，杰森？

Stuff you didn't know you needed to know. Right, Jason?

我是说，我喜欢水獭。但杰森，我不知道这个‘时代巡演后的生活’是什么。你得明白这太珍贵了。我已经退休了。我完全投入其中。

I mean, I love otters. I don't know who this is what life after eras tour is, though, Jason. You gotta it's so precious. I'm retired. I am all in on this.

我想烘焙。只是我缺乏计划性。泰勒是个计划周全的人，她能让酵母活得好好的。我们可养不活酵母。我已经...我已经...那叫什么来着？

I wanna bake. I just don't have the planning behind it. Taylor's a planner, and she's gonna have the sourdough alive. We're not gonna keep a sourdough alive. I've I've folded I've what is it?

我已经...那个词是...

I've what's the

他真的做到了。他真的做到了。

He's actually done it. He's actually done it.

没错。我烤了一条面包。

Yeah. I've made a loaf.

他...他...

He's he's

有过我的一个

had one of my

其实是面包。他全都做完了。我们布置得像这样：我有一个工作站，他也有一个，而他完成了所有步骤。

loafs, actually. He's done he's done all of it. Like, we've we've set it up where it's like, I've got a station, and he's got a station, and he's done all of it.

对，好的。

Yep. Okay.

所以他其实也烤过了。

So he's actually baked too.

是啊，我之前也做过拉伸折叠。

Yeah. I've stretched and folded before.

没错。但总感觉哪里有点不对劲。所有面粉都...

Yeah. But there's just, like, something always slightly wrong. All the flour.

他的面包实际上比我的发得更高。他的

His was actually his rose higher than mine. His

是杰森做的。

was Jason.

比我的更美味。就像你知道的

More delicious than mine. It's like it's also, you know

这边可没说明书，杰森。

No directions over here, Jason.

我直接上手揉面了。

I get into the bowl.

机会。杰森，你已经得到了。

Chance. Jason, you've had it.

你说过你喜欢它。我不是说它不好，但它远不如泰勒的好。

You said you loved it. I'm not saying it's not good, but it's nowhere as good as Taylor's.

那不是真的。

That's not true.

告诉你。如果你拿两块送去实验室检测，特拉维斯的样本里会有多得多的细菌和微生物。

Telling you. If if you took, like, two chunks and you sent it off to the lab, there's gonna be so many more germs and microbes in Travis.

天啊。呕。恶心。那个细菌数量。

Oh my god. Oh, ew. Ew. The the bacteria count.

这个上面长的真菌是什么？哦不。那是酸面团，杰森。连酸都算不上。好吧。

What is the fungus in this that's on this one? Oh, no. That's the sour dough, Jason. Don't even sour. Okay.

为什么里面有胸毛？怎么

Why is there chest hair in it? How

你

did you

是啊。好像有胸

Yeah. There's like chest

围裙太低了。

apron's too low.

他的面包里有胸毛，我的里面有猫毛。这两样东西根本没法吃。但疯狂的是你能玩多少双关语，因为我有面包袋，还有标签。

There's, like, chest hair in his. There's cat hair in mine. It's just like both of these are completely inedible. But it's crazy how you can how many puns you can make because I do the whole I got bread bags, and I got Yeah. Labels.

所以你真的可以尽情玩双关语。你会问，你准备好了吗？

And so it's you can you can really go for it with the puns. You go, are you ready for it?

你准备好了吗？

Are you ready?

《Flower song》就像砰的一声关上的纱门。太糟糕了。好吧。这是个面团故事。宝贝，就说酵母吧。

Flower song is the slamming screen door. That's horrible. Okay. It's a loaf story. Baby, just say yeast.

酵母。就说酵母。对。就是那样

Yeast. Just say yeast. Yeah. That's what

她在干嘛？这首歌在做什么？

she's What's the song doing?

继续。这是个面团站。

Keep going. It's a loaf station.

我本来会说面团的。不。

I would've said dough. No.

太糟糕了。

It's horrible.

用面包糊弄他。很糟糕。如果你不知道那首歌，那也没关系。

Loafing him was bread. It's bad. If you don't know that song, and then that's okay.

我爱你。

I love you.

这不在巡演计划里。

It wasn't on the tour.

巡演。所以我们确实有这个。我搞砸了。21个国家。你在整个过程中学到了什么吗？比如巡演结束收尾时，有没有什么你希望从一开始就做的事情？

Tour. So we do have this. I did fuck that up. 21 countries. Did you learn anything throughout the like, is there anything at the end of the tour when you were wrapping up that you wish you had been doing the whole time?

现在整个巡演结束了，有什么你会采取不同做法的事吗？

Is there anything you would do differently now that the entire tour is wrapped up?

没有。我真的很庆幸自己当初不知道巡演会持续这么久。嗯。我很高兴我能以当时的方式为这次巡演做好准备，因为你知道，在之前的巡演中，我注意到自己会在巡演过程中逐渐提升耐力。到巡演最后四分之一阶段，我才终于进入状态，觉得每晚演出都很轻松。

No. I I I'm really glad that I didn't know it would have gone on as long as it did. Mhmm. I'm I'm glad that I got to, like, actually be prepared for this tour the way that I was because, you know, in previous tours, I had noticed that I would get on the tour, and I'd have to, like, get my stamina up throughout the tour. And by the last quarter of the tour, I'd finally hit my stride stamina wise, and I'd like, oh, I can do this easily every night.

是的。我希望在时代巡演开始时就能达到那种状态。所以我做了更多训练，更多耐力训练、有氧运动之类，这些对我来说并不自然，因为我不是运动员。所以我必须...

Yeah. I wanted to be at that point at the beginning of the Era's tour. So that's why I did so much more training, so much more endurance training, and and cardio and stuff that, you know, doesn't come naturally because I'm not an athlete. So it's like that stuff I have

真正...

to really

强迫自己去做。

force myself to do.

别说这话。你敢说。我是说，你竟敢这么说。

Say that. Don't you say that. I mean, it's Don't you dare say that.

我感觉，我甚至不是用贬低的方式说的。我完全不在乎。但是...

I feel, and I don't even it's not like I say that in a disparaging way. I I I don't care at all. But

我就是这么做的，我们为什么要那样理解？

I just do we why do we take it that way?

我不知道。是啊。我就像，我真的不是运动员，这没关系。比如，我会演奏乐器。

I don't know. It's yeah. I'm like, I I really I'm not an athlete, and that's fine. Like, I play instruments.

那样做是因为你跑步，靠这个维持

It that way because you run, feed it on

啤酒乒乓桌。哦。我见过你扔橄榄球。

the beer pong table. Oh. I've seen you throw a football.

不。那不好，你也知道那不好。

No. That's not good, and you know that's not good.

确实。不。确实。你可以

It does. No. It does. You can

不。螺旋球？是的。你得你得说实话，比我强。因为根本没有螺旋。

No. Spiral? Yes. You you gotta you gotta be real It's better than me. Because it's not there's no spiral.

我觉得我从来没接住过任何扔向我的东西。没有。靠近我的也没有

I don't think I've ever caught anything that's ever been thrown to me Nope. Near me

我见过。对当运动员完全不感兴趣的样子。

I've seen it. Around disinterested in being an athlete.

那倒是。你能用棍子打中东西吗？这是运动员的明显标志。擅长

That's true. Can you hit something with a stick? That's a telltale sign of an athlete. Good with

a 我不知道，杰森。我们我从来没试过那个。所以这

a I don't know, Jason. We I've never tried that. So it's

像是 我们现在就得试试这个。结束后我们要去后院。对吧？

like We're going We gotta try this out now. We're going out back after this. Right?

我和体育的关系就像，你知道的，我在宾夕法尼亚长大。我总听到我爸在看老鹰队比赛时对着屏幕大喊。那是我在家里听到的体育声音。然而，我在楼上房间里弹吉他、学乐器、弹钢琴。我只是专注于不同的事情。

My relationship with sports was like you know, I grew up in Pennsylvania. I always heard my dad yelling at the screen watching eagles games. That was always the sports sounds that I heard in my house. However, I was up in my room playing guitar, learning instruments, playing piano. Just I was focused on different things.

我当时对音乐简直像激光一样专注，在学校也是这样。比如，我去体育赛事是为了能唱国歌。一切都是为了让我能接触到音乐的手段。我知道所有超级碗的中场秀，但我没看过比赛。哦。

I was, like, so laser focused on music, and that's how I was in school. Like, I I would go to sporting events so that I could sing the national anthem. Like, everything was a means to an end to get me to get to do music. I've I know every halftime show from the Super Bowls, but I don't I didn't watch the sports. Oh.

所以 看新闻

And so Watching the news

巡演时看到那个力量跳跃，我就知道你是运动员，从那个力量跳跃看出来的。

tour and seeing that power skip, I knew you were an athlete from the from the from the power skip.

那只是你在说些词而已。

That's you're just saying words.

那是我最喜欢的部分之一。

It's one of my favorite parts.

只是在说谎。

Just telling lies.

就看着你沿着跑道蹦蹦跳跳。

Just see you just skipping down that runway.

看起来就像只长颈鹿。它的四肢全都在跑动。

Just looking like a giraffe. Its limbs were put on all run.

不是每个人都能做到每个人都能跳跃，但不是每个人都能有力跳跃

Not everybody can everybody can skip, but not everybody can power skip

穿着高跟鞋。

in heels.

是啊。穿着高跟鞋。

Yeah. In heels.

那需要运动天赋。

That takes athleticism.

我很感激。我也是。

I appreciate that. Same.

多么独特的赞美。

What a unique compliment.

所以，没错，我我我确实在接触他时对运动着了迷。我会为他争强好胜。但如果是你和我进行某项运动比拼，我会让你赢，因为对我来说——这些分数有什么意义呢？我是运动的观众而非参与者。真要上场的话，我就像这样随便扔，根本不在乎球飞到哪里

So, yeah, I I I definitely became obsessed with sports when it came to him. I'm competitive on his behalf. But, like, if you and me are gonna go against each other in something athletic, like, I'm gonna let you win because this to me, like, I don't see why what do the points even mean if I'm if I'm doing it? I'm a fan of athletics and the sports. If I'm doing the sports, like, I'm throwing like this because I don't what I don't really care if it goes where it's

该去的地方。有意思。

supposed to go. Interesting.

我无所谓。投不中也不觉得尴尬，完全没问题。

It doesn't bother me. And when I don't make cash, I'm not embarrassed. That's fine.

她是个好队友，所以如果是团队合作，她会付出努力。但如果是个人运动，她就不在乎了。除非需要她承担责任。

A good teammate, so she'll she'll give effort if you're if it's teamed up. It's individual sports, she's not gonna care. But if she needs to be held accountable

如果我和他组队玩啤酒乒乓之类的，我会非常认真。

If I'm on his team and we're playing beer pong or something, like, I'm really trying.

你现在是...你是...

You're now you're you're

在团队运动方面对他这么说，对吧？

at team sports this to him. Right?

完全正确。我是个团队

Absolutely. I'm a team

运动型女生。把我扔进奥运会单人项目试试？我就这样了。对，我无所谓。

sports gal. Put me put me on an Olympic one person trying to do some stuff sport. I'm doing this. Yeah. I don't care.

我这就开溜。没错。

I'm getting out of here. Yeah.

我会...我会认真对待。我在乎。好吧。认真做。我在乎。

I'm I'm doing this. I care. Okay. Doing this. I care.

这个嘛。非常在乎。

This Yeah. Care a lot.

我们要做这个。我们在揉面团。

We're doing this. We're knitting dough.

我们在揉面团。我们在乎。

We're knitting dough. We care.

拉伸为了

Stretching for

你。不在乎这个是否发生。我不在乎这个放在这里。这不是衡量我自我价值的标准。

you. Don't care if this happens. I don't care if this goes here. It's not part of my metrics for my self worth.

好吧。说实话，这可能是非常健康的心态。嘿。

Alright. That's probably very healthy, to be honest with you. Hey.

你知道吗？我当时想，只要你对此没问题就行。

You know? I was like, as long as you're fine with this.

什么？不。我完全接受你是个运动员。是的。

What? No. I'm completely fine with you being an athlete. Yeah.

我不是运动员。永远也不会是。

I'm not an athlete. I'm never gonna be.

你完全没抓住重点。是啊。什么？

You just missed the whole point. Yeah. What?

因为他看到他想看到的，这对我有利。

Because he's what he wants to see, and it bodes well for me.

你有《爱神之旅》中最喜欢的部分吗？

Do you have a favorite thing from the Eros Tour?

埃里斯巡演中有太多让我喜爱的事物。我常常看到不同世代的人们之间产生深厚的联结。天啊，这太真实了。那种感觉真的美妙绝伦。

I have a lot of favorite things from the Eris tour. I would look out, and I would see a lot of bonding happening between generations of people. Gosh. That's so true. It was really wonderful.

这简直是世界上最不可思议的感受，因为我能看清这一切——我做了激光手术视力超棒。埃里斯巡演中，我最爱的瞬间就是粉丝们自发创造传统的时候，对吧？

It was, like, the most incredible feeling in the world because I can see all that. I've got LASIK. I have incredible the Eris tour. I think one of my favorite things was when the fans would come up with their own traditions. Right?

哇，太酷了。

Oh, so cool.

虽然我能策划整场舞台秀——精确到每个环节的时间节点，这完全是专业级制作，对吧？我超爱做计划。

Because I can I can plan a stage show that's like, we know exactly what's happening, when it's gonna happen? It's very stage managed. It's a whole production. Right? I love to plan.

但我也超爱惊喜。比如在欧洲巡演站时，有首叫《柳树》的歌，我们会进行一场充满巫术氛围的表演——拿着发光球体，披着斗篷，特别玄妙。结果粉丝们决定自带发光球体来应援。

But I also do love surprises. Like, there's a time during the European leg of the eras tour. There's a song called Willow where we do a performance where we have these it's a very, like, witchy performance. We have these, like, light up orbs and wearing cloaks, and it's all very woo. And the fans decided that they were gonna bring their own light up orbs.

他们居然在现场吹起气球，然后用手机灯光在后面打光，造出发光球体的效果。当我望向观众席时——没错，或者说是...

And by that, I mean balloons that they would blow up in the audience. Like K. And then they would light their they would use their phone light behind it and create a light up orb. When I tell you I looked out yep. Or a

荧光棒什么的，反正他们总能想出办法

glow stick. Whatever. Like, would figure

点亮自己。看着成千上万个光球突然同时升起简直疯狂！我甚至不知道是谁组织的——是有群聊吗？你们到底怎么做到的？

out ways to illuminate them them themselves, and it was insane to look out and see spontaneously thousands of these orbs just go up. It and I just feel like, I I don't even know who organized this. Yeah. Was there a group text? How did you guys even do this?

这真的太特别了

It it was so special.

是啊，感觉我们共同参与了某种无法预演的奇迹。尽管我酷爱周密计划，但他们时不时制造的惊喜真的很有趣。他们创造了各种小机会，发展出这么多传统。

Yeah. It felt like we were all part of something together in a way that couldn't be planned. And there's as much as I love and relish in planning, it was really fun that they would do things to sort of delight me every once in a while. They had little chance. They had all these traditions.

巡演结束时，就像《洛基恐怖秀》里他们拥有自己的

By the end of the tour, it was like Rocky Horror Picture Show where they have their

双脚。

own feet.

字面意义上他们自己的秀。对。我记得当时在德国盖尔森基兴。

Their own show, literally. Right. It was I I remember being in Gelsenkirchen, Germany.

知道吗？你刚说爱？盖尔森基兴？

And you know what? Love did you say? Gelsenkirchen?

爱就是他学会了这个。

Love is him learning that.

是啊。那是真实的——那是个城市名？

Yeah. That's our actual that's a city?

他来过盖尔森基兴。

He came to Gelsenkirchen.

盖尔森基兴当地支持过我。巴巴多斯。如果用德国口音说，可能更接近实际城市发音，但

Gelsenkirchen supported me there. Barbados. If you say with a German accent, it probably sounds more like the actual city, but

好吧。

Okay.

我的美式发音是盖尔森基兴。

My American accent is Gelsenkirchen.

盖尔森基兴。

Gelsenkirchen.

我记得看到那部分表演时，他们真的在绕圈，把那些球抛向空中，互相传递，就像在表演一样。

And, I remember seeing that part of the show, and they were literally doing circles and, like, putting the orbs up in the air and passing them to each other like they were performing.

太美了。

It was so beautiful.

很棒。

It was great.

那么投入。我从未为如此投入的观众表演过。

So committed. I've never I've never played for crowds that were as committed.

是啊。

Yeah.

所以我喜欢这种活动形式。我总是试图思考如何让音乐更像一个事件。对吧？如何让它变得浪漫？

So I think I loved the event of it. Like, I'm always I'm always trying to figure out how to make music into more of an event. Right? Right. How do we make it romantic?

如何让人们共同体验它？这就是为什么我喜欢黑胶唱片，为什么我如此投入巡演、音乐视频、活动、互动游戏、彩蛋或小谜题。现在已经到了人们觉得彩蛋有点像是星座杀手的地步了，但只要他们喜欢就好。

How do we make it something that people experience together? And, you know, that's why I love vinyl. That's why I love, you know, putting so much into the tour or a music video or events or activities for them to do or Easter eggs or little puzzles for them to solve. Like, it's gotten to the point where it's just like, it's a little bit people are like, the the Easter eggs thing is getting a little zodiac killer at this point. I'm like, as long as they like it.

你懂吗？

You know?

你是怎么知道如何设计彩蛋的？我甚至不知道。这个过程从哪儿开始？你是...

How do you go about, like, knowing how to do an Easter egg? I don't even know. Like, where does that process start? Are you like

嗯，我有一些参数。

Well, I have some parameters.

复活节彩蛋的艺术是什么？

What is the art of the Easter egg?

复活节彩蛋的艺术在于

The art of the Easter egg is that

它的艺术。

art of it.

这里面有可为与不可为的规矩，对吧？比如，我永远不会埋一个与我个人生活相关的彩蛋。它们总是与音乐或我正在构思的音乐作品有关，即将推出的计划，或是那些你现在听不懂但日后会恍然大悟的话。我觉得最精彩的一个例子是，当我获得纽约大学荣誉博士学位并发表毕业演讲时——

There's there's do's and don'ts. Right? Like, I'm never gonna plant an Easter egg that ties back to my personal life. It's always gonna be towards music or a musical something I'm coming up with, something I have coming up, a plan I have coming together, something that you don't know I'm saying for a specific reason that you'll hear later, and you'll go back and be like, oh my god. Like, I think my favorite one of those was I, I was given a honorary doctorate from NYU, and I I made the commencement speech.

我在演讲里埋了大量歌词彩蛋，后来《Midnights》专辑发布后，粉丝们发现整篇演讲本身就是个巨型彩蛋。

And I put so many lyrical Easter eggs in that speech that when the Midnights album came out after that, the fans were like, the whole speech was an Easter egg.

是啊。

Yeah.

这对我来说特别有趣，因为他们乐在其中。

And that's for me, that's really fun because I because they find it fun.

确实。

For sure.

而且我本身痴迷数字命理学，热爱数学相关的事物，钟情特定日期。这些东西让我觉得其乐无穷。我希望彩蛋能成为这样的存在：如果你是这个粉丝圈的成员，想以普通方式欣赏音乐，你甚至不会注意到它们。

And I and also just I love numerology. I love math stuff. I love dates. I love certain I just that stuff, like, I find really fun. And, you you know, we I'm I want Easter eggs to be a certain thing where, like, if you are a part of the fandom and you wanna experience nor like, music in a normal way, then then you don't even see these.

你甚至都不关心那边昏暗闪烁的灯光下，门框上方倒挂着的那串反向盲文是什么东西。你不需要知道那是什么。

You don't even care what that thing is above that doorway in under that dimly lit flickering light over there that's upside down backwards in braille. I you don't you don't need to know what that is.

我喜欢这个。

I love this.

是啊。如果你想看的话

Yeah. If you want if you wanna look at that

但如果你真想知道 它就在那儿。对 你知道

But if you do Then then it's there. Yeah. Do know what

我是说？懂的人自然懂。

I mean? Like, if you know, you know.

如果你是圈内人。

If you're in the know.

你懂的。

You know.

噢 当然。那你

Oh, yeah. 's Then you

明白。

know.

那你就懂了。咱们聊点我不懂的吧。数字命理学是什么？你随口就抛出这个词 好像很常见似的。

Then you know. Let's talk about something I don't know. What is numerology? You threw that phrase out there. Like, that's a common.

什么是数字命理学？你不知道数字命理学是什么？这没什么问题。

What is numerology? You don't know what numerology is? There's nothing wrong Yeah.

比如，我是87，她是13。

Like, I'm 87, and she's 13.

对。真的就这么简单，就是数字而已。

Yeah. Literally, it's that simple. Just numbers.

还有100。

And 100.

没错。13加87等于100，这就是数字命理学。但你看到的数字有什么特定意义吗？比如...

Yeah. 13 plus 87 equals 100. That's numerology. Like But what is the numbers you're seeing in your a specific significance. Like yeah.

正是如此。

Exactly.

保持它

Keep it

100？是啊。你难道从不保持百分百真实吗？

100? Yeah. Do you not keep it 100 ever?

我在努力。我...

I'm trying to. I'm I

我感觉

I feel

尝试一下。

attempt to.

你居然不会，这太疯狂了。

It's crazy that you don't.

凯莉，我有哪些数字？

What numbers do I have Kylie?

就像那样。

Like that.

凯莉，我不知道该怎么做这个。

Kylie, I don't know how to do this.

没关系，这不是

It's okay. It's not

对每个人都适用。不过我最喜欢的数字是13，一直都是。特拉维斯·戴维斯。

for everyone. My favorite number is 13, though. It always has been. Travis Davis.

这也是我们约会命理学的一部分原因。

And that's part the numerology of why we're dating.

好吧。

Okay.

这是其中一部分原因。

It's part of it.

如果他没事的话。

If he Okay.

它一直存在于我的生活中，我的

It's been in my life, my

整个人生。

whole life.

特拉维斯喜欢那些喜欢数字13的人。

Travis Travis likes people that like the number 13.

是啊。

Yeah.

爱他们。没错。不过喜欢数字13能说明我们什么呢？

Love them. Yeah. Liking the number 13 say about us, though?

这说明我们是一家人。在恋毛癖中，我想是的，这是

It says that we're family in Okay. In trichodectophilia, I think it is, is the

什么鬼？

What the what?

与...的会面。

Session with.

不，老兄。这是每天的事，伙计。这是日常。那是真实存在的。

No, man. It's every day, dude. This is every day. That's a real thing.

知道那是什么意思。

Know what that means.

他知道

He knows

它的含义。Trichodelphophilia？所以那是对数字13的特定迷恋还是什么...抱歉。

what it means. Trichodelphophilia? So the that's the obsession with specifically number 13 or some I'm sorry.

对。Trichodecophobia是当你讨厌这个数字时。Triskadekaphobia则是当你喜欢它。

Yeah. Trichodec Trichodecophobia is when you hate the team. Triskadekaphobia is when you love it.

Philia代表喜爱。嗯...我不知道为什么。我觉得可能是因为其他人都害怕数字13，所以我就反其道而行。

Phelia is love. Mhmm. I I don't know why. I think it was like everybody else was afraid of number 13, so then I'm like, yeah.

我喜欢

I like the

13。确实如此。

13. That's true.

好吧。你就是这样爱唱反调，我超爱这点。行吧。

Okay. Yeah. You're just being contrarian, which I love. I love that about you. Alright.

其实你

Well You're

就是这种性格——你想这么做？那我就偏要这么做。

just like, you wanna do this? I'm gonna do this.

我就是这么说话的。

That's exactly how I sound.

我是杰森。

I'm Jason.

让我们开始

Let's get

杰森。杰森。杰森。

Jason. Jason. Jason.

好吧。关于继承者巡演我最喜欢的一点，除了亲临现场并对一切感到惊叹之外。我是说，我最近在另一个播客上也提到过，就像所有歌曲、所有你刚说的那些不断变化的内容。对吧？每二三十秒就有新花样。

Alright. Favorite favorite thing about the heirs tour was besides going to it and just being, like, this amazed at everything. I mean, I think I was on another podcast recently just like all of the songs, all the everything you just talked about where it changes so much. Right? There's something new every twenty, thirty seconds.

简直不可思议。那种不间断的持续感，但如果我不提特拉维斯·凯尔西登台的场景就太失职了。那个穿燕尾服的男人。太精彩了。太特别了。

It was incredible. The nonstop length of it, but I will I'm gonna be remiss if I don't say one of the things that I love is watching Travis Kelce get on the stage. The man in the tuxedo. It was so good. It was so special.

那段就像...我们当时以为只是在玩梗。我们俩都以为在开玩笑。因为我们说的很多话都像在玩梗，全程都在笑。偶尔会有人问：你是认真的吗？就像我...我可能是认真的。

That was like we were like that came out because we were just do we thought we were doing a bit. Like, we both thought we were just joking. Because a lot of what we're saying is, like, inside of a bit, and we're laughing the whole time. And every once in a while, one of us be like, are you serious? Like, I I could be.

我...我可能是认真的。你是认真的吗？就像

I'm I could be serious. Are you serious? Like

我当时是认真的，而且认真得可怕。我就说：对啊。

I was I was serious in and in terrifying fashion. I was like, yeah.

就像那种'要是...会不会很搞笑'的假设。

It was like a one wouldn't it be funny if kind of thing.

有趣。没错。而且我会尽量不搞砸这事。你知道的，这节目太完美了。你不想毁了这节目吧，Tayo？

Fun. Yep. And I would try not to fuck this up. It was so You know, the show's perfect. You don't wanna fuck the show up, do you, Tayo?

我就知道你会愿意的——如果你真想参与的话。我绝不会强迫你。但当时我们讨论时开玩笑，我注意到你眼里闪过的那丝光芒，我就知道，哦，他是想参与的。

I knew you were gonna be down for I knew you were if you wanted to do it. Like, I was never gonna pressure you to do it. But the fact that when when we were talking about it, were joking, I kind of got I saw that little twinkle in your eye where I was like, oh, he wants to do it.

你想让我上

You want me to go

舞台？他想上的。

on stage? He wants to.

你希望我登台吗？

Do you want me to go on stage?

是啊。然后你就上去了。

Yeah. And you got up there.

来吧。

Do it.

你表现得太棒了。每个节奏点，他的喜剧时机感简直绝了。灯光亮起时，他就像能放慢时间似的——

You were so good. Every single beat, his his comedic timing is crazy. Like It is good. And when the lights are bright, he's like he, like, slows down time. Like, that's when he

啊不，我只是大脑空白，祈祷最后能完美收场。

Well, no. I just blackout and hope that it ends out, like, perfect.

这不你刚说的吗，咱俩其实是一个意思

That's you said you and I are saying the same

我做到了。它是黑色的。对，对。就像，我从那个舞台升起，看到了有多少人，老兄。

I did. I'd It's black. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I I rose from that stage, and I saw how many people Dude.

都在看着你。那简直就像断电一样。

Are looking at you. That was just like blackout.

你看起来太棒了。太不可思议了。就像，那是如果不是最响亮的，也是我巡演中听过最响亮的尖叫声之一。

You looked so good. It was so amazing. Like, it was it was one of the loudest, if not the loudest screams I've ever heard on the tour.

太疯狂了。

It was insane.

确实如此。

It really was.

特雷夫，你在一些最大的体育场踢过球，你一生中都在被人注视。那一刻感觉如何？

How many Trev, you played football in some of the biggest stadiums you've been in for people have been staring at your whole life. What was that moment like?

跟这完全不一样。

It was nothing like this.

你紧张吗？一只蚂蚁。我感觉

You nervous? An ant. I felt

自己像是生命中最微小的存在。就像，整个体育场的地板

like the smallest piece of life ever. Like, that entire stadium, the floor of

的 什么

the What are

这些人在场上干什么呢？

all these people doing on the field?

天哪我完全不知道这地方是这样的。我的老天。发生什么事了？我现在必须去接她。好吧。

How are holy I didn't know this place felt like this. Oh my gosh. What is going on? I have to pick her up now. Okay.

来了来了。别摔着她。千万别摔着她。

Here we go. Don't drop her. Don't just don't drop her.

摔她啊。你刚才居然真担心这个也太好笑了。你完全可以把我扔过一座山，然后爬上山在另一边接住我。就像

Drop her. So funny that that that you were actually scared about that. You could, like, throw me over a mountain and, like, climb the mountain and catch me on the other side. Like

橄榄球员经常掉球啊。对啊。又不是什么大不——

Football players drop balls all the time. Yeah. It's not a Oh

天哪。太棒了。是在伦敦。温布利球场。没错。

my god. It was so good. It was it was London. It was Wembley Stadium. It was Yep.

那些演出太特别了。我们刚刚——是不是这周我还看到杰森见了皇室成员？

Those were such special shows. And we had just, wasn't this the week that I got to watch, Jason meet the royal family?

是的。就是那次。

It was. It was.

对啊。我当时问杰森要不要去见他们时，就知道你是认真的。

Yeah. I knew you were serious when I was like, Jason, do you wanna go meet him?

然后他说 接着我

And he was like And I

我该怎么处理我的啤酒？

what do I do with my beer?

是啊。我看着他和他的啤酒之间那个瞬间，他就像在说，我想拿走它，但我知道我可能不该拿。没错。我目睹了这一幕，还挺

Yeah. I watched him have this moment with his beer where he's just like, but I wanna take it, but I know that I I probably should not take it. That's right. I watched this happen, and it was kind

令人惊叹的。当我遇见

of the most amazing thing. When I meet

我的狗时。它察觉到了，因为那正是当时发生的事。

my dog. Picked up on it because that was exactly what's going on.

如果我不，比如，如果我不拿啤酒，现在这只手该干嘛？

If I don't, like, if I don't have my beer, what do I do with this hand now?

在需要保持庄重的场合喝啤酒是不是有点不敬？

Is it, like Disrespectful to have a beer when you need royalty?

还是说拿着啤酒反而显得真实？我平时就会喝啤酒。他们不是希望我做真实的自己吗？我看着你在脑子里纠结这个。没错。

Or am I just, like, being being authentic by having the beer? I would normally have the beer. Wouldn't they want me to be myself? I'm watching you say that in your head. Yep.

那感觉棒极了。不知道。我会永远记得那一刻。就像我会永远记得第一次见到你

And it was fantastic. I don't know. I'll always remember that. I was just just like I'll always remember meeting you

的时候，Jason。我们需要谈谈那次吗？那次我确实没放下啤酒。你确实没放。我想是你提起这事的。

for the first time, Jason. Do we need to talk about that? That time I did hold on to my beer. You did. What was I guess you brought it up.

第一印象怎么样？你知道有人叮嘱我要表现最好的一面吗？

What was that first impression like? What was did you know I was told to be on my best behavior?

我不知道你被告知了什么，但我确实知道，我最初看到的场景之一就是，你对凯莉说，我刚和比尔斯的狂热粉丝们一起豪饮啤酒，我真的很想穿过那些燃烧的桌子。对，对。想跳过去。我想跳到那张着火的桌子上。

I didn't know what you were told, but I did know that one of the first things I saw was, like, you say to Kylie, I was just shotgunning beers with the Bills Mafia, and I really wanna go through one of the the fire tables. Yep. Yep. Wanna jump through it. I wanna jump onto the flaming table.

然后她说，好吧。我们现在能不能别这么做？

And she goes, okay. Can we not do that right now?

是啊。老兄？

Yeah. Guy?

从那以后，我听到她说过一模一样的话

And since then, I've heard her say that exact thing

对你四岁的孩子

to your four year old

比如，妈妈，我想把布丁扔到墙上。那会很有趣吧？我们现在能不能别这么做？

about, like, mommy, I wanna throw this pudding on the wall. Wouldn't that be fun? Can we not do it right now?

这是个常见的说法。而且

That's a that's a common phrase. And

所以我见到你。你完全如我想象中的那样。凯莉也完全如我想象中的那样，最真实、最聪明、最酷。你们太棒了。显然，你们自己也知道。

so I meet you. You're exactly as I thought you would be. Kylie is exactly as I thought she would be, just like the realest, the smartest, the coolest. You're fantastic. Obviously, you know that.

然后我发誓，杰森，你以光速从窗户飞了进来。我从没见过这么大块头的人动作这么快。

And then I swear to god, Jason, you flew through the window at light speed. I've never seen someone so big move so fast.

这确实令人印象深刻。

It's it's impressive.

你知道的，就是当你看到一只蟋蟀在这儿？对。然后它就不见了。是的。接着它突然出现在16英尺外的地方。

It's you know, you know when you see a cricket and it's here? Yeah. And then it's gone. Yep. And it's and it's 16 feet that way.

你会想，它刚才是往那边跳了吗？它是怎么做到的？

You're like, did it just jump that way? How did it do that?

而且令人惊讶的是，他越喝醉就越矫健。啤酒的作用。

And he's surprisingly, he gets more athletic the more drunk. Beers.

我是说，这真的很疯狂。我当初真该去NFL打球的。我觉得我本可以

I mean, it's real. Wild. I really should have played in the NFL to drop. I think it would have

表现得更好。没人应该什么？不不。

been better. Nobody should what? Not no.

不。

No.

不应该。重点是，我绝不会反驳这一点。然后突然间，你就站在雪地里。你正从窗户把孩子递给我。就像

Shouldn't be. Point, I would never argue with that. And all of a sudden, like, you're out there in the snow. You're handing me children through the window. Like

当时试图那样做。

was trying to.

那很有趣。

That was fun.

不是我最好的时刻。

Not my best moment.

确实如此。而且，我觉得这真的就是。我就说，泰勒。

It was. And, like, I think it actually was. And I'm just like, Taylor.

我当时就说，你想见泰勒？交给我。我们走，这就出发。

I was like, you wanna see Taylor? I gotcha. Let's go. We're going.

那是谁的孩子，杰森？

Whose kid is that, Jason?

你

Do you

知道这孩子从哪来的吗？不过，对，我觉得那是你最好的时刻，能亲眼见证我觉得自己非常幸运。我超爱特拉维斯带我见识的这个新世界，因为真的特别有趣。太刺激了。这些球员承受的压力是我从未——我一直在音乐圈，只见过那种压力。

know where this kid came from? But, yeah, it was I think it was your best moment, and I think I'm very lucky to have gotten to see it. I love this, like, new world that Travis has shown me because I really it's so fun. It's so exciting. There's so much pressure on these players that I didn't I I kind of was like, I've I've only ever been in music and been like, you know, seeing that.

但体育界的压力完全是另一种类型，我对每个人都充满敬意。无论是他队里遇到的每个人，还是我看到的所有从业者，我都觉得——你们从小就开始专注于此。这种专注显而易见

But the the pressure on sports is just such a different type that I have such a respect for everyone. Like, everyone I meet on his team, like, everyone I see doing this, I'm just like, you've been focused on this since you were a kid. And it shows

嗯，我相信这其中有很多共通之处。任何想在自己领域做到极致并为此奉献一生的人。确实如此。

Well and I'm sure there's a lot of relatability there. Anybody trying to be the best at what they do and dedicating their lives to it. I mean yeah.

是啊。我一直特别幸运，因为以前比赛时从没机会看到包厢里的场景。

Yeah. And I've been I've been so lucky because I never have gotten to see what the suite looks like when I play the game.

因为他们没装摄像头。

Because they didn't have a camera.

能看到亲友团。以前从没机会——所以现在每次我完成精彩表现，都能看到包厢实况，看到他们玩得多嗨，感受到那种支持有多热烈。拉斯维加斯超级碗那场，包厢里有摄像头，当尼科尔达阵得分时，看到整个包厢的人开始跳起来——

Get to see my friends and family. I never get so now whenever I make a play, I get to see it, what it actually looks like, how much fun they're having, what you know, the type of support that I get and how crazy it gets. So the Vegas Super Bowl, there was there was a camera on the suite, and when Nicole scored that touchdown and to see everybody in that suite start jumping on

互相。把对方撞进其他房间。太暴力了。

each other. Body slamming each other into other rooms. It was so violent.

这让我毛骨悚然。

It's giving me the chills

现在。每个人都对你做了

right now. Everybody it did you

我是我是世界上最幸运的人。

I'm the I'm the luckiest guy in the world.

那个视频

That video

让每个人都疯狂起来。

to get everybody going crazy.

人们倒下了。就像，有人在互相殴打。那简直是绝对的混乱。而且，我我清楚地记得每一个细节。那一刻的每一个记忆都完好无损，但就是尖叫、挣扎，试图不被朋友们这股疯狂的浪潮卷倒。

People went down. Like, there there are people punching each other. It was, like, absolute chaos. And, like, I have I have every memory of that. Like, every memory of that moment is intact, but it's just, like, screaming and thrashing around and trying not to be taken down by this undertow of your friends going absolutely

冲着你。我享受每一刻。

at you. I loved every bit of it.

哦，太疯狂了。

Oh, it was so insane.

我是说，特拉维斯·凯尔西的包厢里发生的事，你对那里的第一印象是什么？哦。包厢里的MVP是谁？包厢里的MVP是谁？

I mean, the the suite that is the Travis Kelce suite that has been happening, what was your first impression of that, of everybody in there? Oh. Who's the MVP of the suite? Who's the MVP of the suite?

好的。所以他有个巨大的优点——特拉维斯从大概四岁起就有一群固定的朋友。没错，真的是这样。他极其擅长维系友谊，而且非常忠诚。

Okay. So he's got which is an like, a huge green flag is that Travis has had the same friends since he's probably four years old. Yes. Literally. And he's incredibly good at maintaining friendships, and he's so loyal.

他的朋友们也同样忠诚。他们简直是最有趣、最搞笑的一群人。

And his friends are equally loyal. And they're just the funniest, most hilarious group of people.

对啊。说到优点，她第一次去看比赛——熊队的比赛——她居然是从体育场正门进去的。

Yeah. And, you wanna talk about green flags. The first game she went to, the bears game, she literally went through the front door of the stadium.

没错。我们直接就走进去了。

Yeah. We walked right in.

直接就进去了？像普通观众那样？

Just right in, like, tick like, general admission?

跟着所有坐大巴来看比赛的人一起从普通通道进的。天啊，我当时就想，哇她完全融入进来了。她愿意参与其中，她是来享受乐趣的。

Through general admission through with the everybody on the bus to the game. Oh my gosh. I was just like, oh, she's just in it. She's down she's down for the ride. She's here for she's here for the fun.

她那种态度就是'老子这就去'。

She's like, I'll fucking go.

朋友们就是。

Friends are.

我愿意趟泥巴。我要成为酋长王国的一员。

I'll go through the mud. I'll be a part of Chief's Kingdom.

就像，如果这就是

Like, if this is where

我们走进去，就是这里

we walk in, this is where

我们走进去。我不知道该跟你说什么。我没有别的选择。我就想，你知道，我们三个月前刚在这里演出过。是啊。

we walk in. I don't know what to tell you. I don't have an alternative. I'm like, you know, we just played here three months ago. Yeah.

我们走了另一条路，但我不会说出来。我可不想对这事指手画脚。

And we went a different way, but I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna backseat drive this shit.

当时是什么样子？人们都在做什么？

What was that like? What what were people doing?

我记得当时，罗斯就像，罗斯又高又壮，这真的帮了大忙。然后你周围还有一大群同样高大魁梧的朋友。对，对。这是好现象，不会对其他男人感到威胁。

I remember using like, Ross was like, Ross is so tall and so and so broad that it's like that that helps a lot. And then just you have a lot of other just, like, big bulky dudes that you're friends with. Yep. Yep. Green flag, not threatened by other guys.

就是

That's

没错。完全不会。

right. At all.

我走进去时戴着帽子和口罩，就走在最前面。我们和成千上万的人一起走进箭头体育场，结果没人注意到我。

I was walking in with I had a hat on and I had a mask on, and I'm walking in just in the front. We're we're walking in with thousands of people in Arrowhead, and nobody nobody noticed.

天啊。

Oh my gosh.

有传言说我们一直在见面，但我觉得人们当时都以为

There were rumors that we had been seeing each other, but I think people were like

我记得那件事。

I remember that.

是啊。他们会聊些什么呢？对，你懂吧？

Yeah. What would they talk about? Yeah. You know?

没错。我在Pat McAfee节目上暗示过，想看看你是否愿意来箭头球场看我炸翻舞台。嗯。因为我...对。

Yeah. I hinted on the Pat McAfee show that I was gonna see if you would be willing to come see me rock the stage at Arrowhead Yeah. Since I Yep.

看到了。

Saw it.

你成就了这个舞台

You make the stage

节目里就像在说，哦当然，我们绝对会...我们绝对会在那儿见到她，

show was like, oh, yeah. We're definitely gonna we're definitely gonna see her there,

我们一定会见到她

and we're gonna see her

从普通观众入口进场。

coming in through general admission.

这家伙不可能追到她。绝无可能。那整个播客计划根本行不通。

No way this guy landed her. No chance. No chance that whole podcast thing worked.

你告诉我时我都不信。

I didn't believe it when you told me.

是你显化了这一切。

You manifested it.

是的，确实如此。

I did. Yes.

你召唤了我。我就在这里。

You summoned me. Here I am.

安迪·里德最近透露是他撮合了你们。这位'大红鼻子'的说法有几分真实性？

Andy Reid has recently revealed that he was the one who set you guys up. How true is this revelation by Big Red?

无论安迪·里德说什么，我们都会

Whatever Andy Reid says, we we're

全力支持。难道要反驳什么吗？

gonna stand by. Like refute anything?

他既然这么说，那就是事实。

He says it. That's what happened.

大红鼻子嘛。反正都一样。

Big Red. It's it's all the same.

事实就是这样。他和我父亲是多年好友。我父亲可是有史以来最擅长社交的人。

That's what happened. He's he's been friends with my dad. My dad is is the most social man who's ever been born.

向斯科特致敬。我差点要说谁不是斯科特的朋友呢？

Shout out to Scott. Was I about to say who's not friends with Scott?

他简直像个疯子。1971年他在机场随便认识个人，聊上五分钟，现在还能和那家伙每周通两次电话。他对每个遇到的人都是这样。他能够维系大量深刻的人际关系，这确实是一种天赋。

He's just like he's just a maniac. He will make a friend in an airport in 1971, have a five minute conversation, and still be talking to that dude twice a week now. And but he's like that with everyone he meets. Like, he has he's able to have very many very meaningful relationships, and it's a it's a skill.

是种才能。没错。

It's a talent. Yeah.

确实是。

It is.

这种令人难以置信的才能，我只在他身上见到过。

It is a mind boggling talent that I have only known him to have.

对，对。他是个天才。

Yeah. Yeah. He's a savant.

这是种天赋。

It is a present.

他是社交天才

He's a savant. Social

我父亲就是这样的社交天才。他认识安迪，安迪多年来一直来看演出之类的。所以我一直对安迪·里德印象特别好。虽然当时不清楚他从事什么体育项目，但我知道那是我爸的朋友安迪·里德。

savant, my dad. And so he knows Andy, and, you know, Andy's been coming to shows for years and stuff like that. So we've I've always had, like, a really positive vibe about Andy Reid. I didn't really know what what what the sports were that he was doing, but I knew that that was my dad's friend, Andy Reid.

他早就知道

He knew he was really

我现在才知道他简直是传奇中的传奇

I now know he is literally the most iconic legendary

是的。

Yes.

史上最佳教练。

Coach of all time.

对啊。

Yeah. For

真的。从你描述他的方式来看，他的领导风格让我无比敬佩。没错。因为我觉得他从不靠咄咄逼人、提高嗓门或情绪失控来管理，一切都很沉稳专注。

real. From the way that you talk about him, his leadership style is so I respect it so much. Right. Because I feel like it's done without, like, aggression or raising your voice or losing your composure. It's all very composed and focused.

但也不是没可能。他绝对会把你骂得体无完肤。

It can happen. He will rip you apart for sure.

但应该不是那种...

But, like, not in a

你得真的像是...

You gotta be really, like

但我觉得...

But I feel

就像他指挥比赛时的样子。

like plays he's calling them.

是啊。但问题就在这儿。这就像是...

Yeah. But that's the thing. It's like

但这还没完。也没有过度，对吧？就像从他那里得到它，你知道你值得，而且你会振作起来。没错。

but it's not done. It's not overdone. Right? Like, get it from him, you know you deserve it, and you're gonna shape up. Exactly.

而且

And

确实有道理。这里面有一种非常真实的、想要变好的渴望。嗯。他让你用正确的方式去做，这更像是一种纪律性的事情。就像他不会这么做，除非他看到了你的伟大或你有能力做对，而且如果是其他情况他也不会用这种方式。

it yeah. There's validity to it. There's, like, there's so there's such a genuine, like, want to get better Mhmm. That him getting you to, like, do it the right way is a is it's like a disciplinary thing. It's just like he he won't he wouldn't be doing it unless he saw the greatness in you or he saw your ability to get it right, and he wouldn't be doing it this way if it was any other

是的。

Yeah.

方式，如果这说得通的话。

Way, if that makes sense.

确实如此。

It does.

这里面有很多真心。

There's a lot of heart.

是的。还有一种斯多葛主义，这使得当他向你展示真心时显得尤为珍贵，我想这就是你所说的，泰勒。他是如此沉着、如此专注。然后突然间当他展现出那一点点温暖时，就像，哦，这就是那个泰迪熊。我看到了

Yeah. There's a there's a stoicism too, which makes the heart when he shows it to you and I think this is what you're kinda saying, Taylor. He's so, like, composed and so, like, locked in. And then all of a sudden when he does show that little bit of, like, warmth, it's like, oh, here's that teddy bear. I see

他有趣的一面。他很调皮。是的。但就像每件事都有原因。就像，每件事都非常有目的性。

him in the funny. He's cheeky. Yeah. And then But it's like everything has a reason. Like, everything is every everything is very, like, intentional.

他就像我觉得他教练和生活的方式都非常有目的性，我认为这真的很棒，这是一种很棒的领导风格。

He's like I feel like he, like, coaches and lives in a very intentional way, which I think is really awesome, and it's just like a great leadership style.

是的。有一层信任，也有一层纪律性，你可以和他玩得很开心，但你也知道什么时候该切换状态，认真起来，按照他的方式行事。他经常这么说。他占51%的决策权。我当时就想，好吧。

Yeah. There's a layer of trust and there's a layer of, like, discipline where you you're gonna have some fun playing with for him, but you're gonna know when you gotta flip that switch to be serious and be on point and and do it his way. He says it all the time. He's got 51%. Was I like, yeah.

好的。老板，听你的。

Alright. Whatever you say, boss.

我一直觉得，一旦你失控，你就失去了领导力。

I always feel like when you lose your shit, you lose your leadership.

你懂吧？没错，确实如此。

You know? Yeah. For sure.

这只是我一直试图贯彻的原则

It's just kind of something I've always kind of tried to administer

在什么方面

in what

我所做的事情上。但在这方面他是个巨大的榜样，看他如何激励人们，如何在不动怒的情况下做到这一点，并且非常专注于在正确时刻做正确的事。你明白吗？

I'm doing. But he's a he's a huge role model for that, if how he motivates people and how he does so without flying off the handle and is just very focused on what the right thing is at the right moment. You know?

明白。那么安迪跟斯科特说了什么吗？我是想确认...安迪到底

Yep. So what so did Andy tell Scott something? Is that what I'm trying to what did Andy

对斯科特说了什么？我是说...好吧。当你们在播客上全力推进时

say to Scott? I mean okay. So when you guys did the full send on the podcast

没错。那是全力以赴的

Yes. It was a full

发送了。没错。然后他就说，你想和我约会吗？所有人都听到了。这简直是全球瞩目的表白现场。

send. Yes. And he was like, you wanna date me? And everybody heard it. It was the the shooting your shot heard around the world.

是的。基本上，所有喜欢你的人——其实有很多人——开始联系每一个认识我的人。

Yes. Basically, everyone who likes you, which is a lot of people, started reaching out to everyone who knows me.

这就对了。

There we go.

我觉得好像是安迪在为你担保。应该是我亲戚们。我那些表兄弟都说

I think it was like Andy was vouching for you. I think it was my my relatives. My cousins were like

我可以爱你啊，安迪。

I can love you, Andy.

拜托。他太棒了。有些朋友都说，他真的是个很棒的人。他特别好。当时有很多人在我耳边悄悄说你的好话，说实话这很不寻常。

Please. He's amazing. There were there were friends that were like, he's actually an amazing guy. Like, he's so great. It would there was a lot of kind of people whispering in my ear about you, and I actually, that's not normal.

确实。这很不寻常。

Like Yeah. It's not normal.

就是有人愿意为你挺身而出，跟你说你不明白，这家伙有多不可思议。

There are people just willing to go to bat for you and be like, you don't understand. This guy's incredible.

好吧，安迪，干得漂亮。

Well, Andy, well done.

是啊。谢谢你，安迪。

Yeah. Thank you, Andy.

斯科特。还有，斯科特，谢谢你。

Scott. And, Scott, thank you.

好了，斯科特。说到这个，斯科特最近怎么样？他还好吗？

There we go, Scott. Speaking of which, how's Scott doing? He's doing good?

他恢复得非常好。我父亲这个夏天经历了一段不寻常的日子。实际上他做了五重心脏搭桥手术，那是个非常重大的手术。

So he is doing incredibly well. My dad, had an interesting summer. He actually, had a quintuple bypass surgery, and that's a really intense surgery.

是啊。

Yeah.

这一切发生得特别突然。他入院时...我知道他会希望我这么说，因为他真的从这个过程中学到了很多。他每年体检时心电图都显示完全健康。

So it it all happened really quick. He went in. I know he would want me to say this because he really like, he learned a lot through this process. He's had a healthy perfect EKG every year that he's gone in to get his physicals.

嗯。

Yeah.

完美的心电图。

Perfect EKG.

对。

Yeah.

但最终发现他心脏有五处严重堵塞的，是一项静息负荷试验。所以他一直告诉朋友们必须做负荷测试，这才是真正能预防的。如果能早期发现，就不必做搭桥手术，可以通过支架等侵入性小得多的方式解决堵塞问题。

But what what found his five hard blockages in his heart was, a resting stress test. So he's been telling all his friends, you need to get the stress test because that's what's actually preventative. If you can find that earlier, you don't have to have a bypass surgery. You can you can sort out those blockages with stents and things that are a lot less invasive. So he finds out that he's got these blockages.

医生们说必须明天就做手术。还说'我们不知道你是怎么自己走进来的，老兄，这太不可思议了'。当然他对家人说'你们都挺忙的'。

They're like, this is we gotta do this, like, tomorrow. Yeah. You you you shouldn't like, we don't know how you walked in here, dude. This is crazy. So he was, of course, saying to our family, he was like, you guys are busy.

我不想让你们，呃，特地过来。你和奥斯汀都挺忙的。真的不用这样。就是，

I don't want you guys to have to, like, come in here. Like, you and Austin are busy. Like, just don't you don't have to do this. Like,

别来了。

don't come.

老爸。那个坚强的老爸。你懂的吧？

Dad. The strong dad. That's you know?

他他提到说，比如猫受伤时会蜷缩在树边自愈。我就说，爸，猫可不会做心脏搭桥手术啊。

He he said something about, like, when a cat is injured, it curls up around a tree and heals itself. I was like, dad, cats don't have quintuple bypass surgery.

他是想和你产生共鸣。试着理解你。

He tried to relate. He tried to relate to you.

你只是在

You're just

胡扯罢了。这些话对我毫无意义。所以我就说，好吧。我不会去的。嗯。

saying stuff now. That doesn't mean anything to me. And so I was like, okay. I'm not gonna come there. Yeah.

好吧。就像...对。后来他手术醒来时，只有我妈、我弟、我和他最好的朋友在场。他刚做完手术，就即兴表演了段喜剧，足足十五分钟。那是他这辈子

Alright. Like Yeah. So he wakes up from surgery, and it's it's my mom, my brother, and me, and his best friend. And he comes out of surgery, and he was he did, like, a comedy act a comedy set for, like, fifteen minutes. He was the funniest he's

最搞笑的一次，虽然他平时就很有趣。

ever been, and he's usually really funny.

但他当时...我们原本不知道他血管堵了多少处。我说：爸，你做了五支冠状动脉搭桥啊！太疯狂了，比预想严重多了。结果他回：这个嘛，你知道的，我们家向来喜欢争强好胜。

But he's like, he he we didn't know how many blockages he had, and I was like, dad, you had a quintuple bypass. You had five. That's crazy. It's more than we thought. And he's like, well, you see, I come from a very competitive family.