所有歌曲皆可考虑：格蕾西·艾布拉姆斯遭遇瓶颈，更多最佳新歌

现在流媒体平台上的新电影太多了，想全都跟上真不容易。

It can be hard to keep up with all the new movies on streaming services.

你怎么分辨哪些值得看，哪些是烂片，或者那些虽然傻但看得很开心的片子？

How do you tell the good ones worth watching from the bad or the silly ones you can laugh along with or at?

在NPR的流行文化欢乐时光节目中，我们推荐一些你可能错过的有趣电影。

On NPR's pop culture happy hour, we're recommending some fun movies you may have missed.

可以通过NPR应用，或者你常用的播客平台收听。

Listen via the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts.

本期《All Songs Considered》来自NPR音乐播客，这里是发现所有优质音乐的终极目的地。

This episode of All Songs Considered comes to you from the NPR Music podcast, your one stop shop for all things in the music verse that are good and great.

我们每周二更新《All Songs Considered》的新一期，周三推出《Alt Latino》，每周五则带来最新音乐推荐。

We've got new drops of this show, new episodes of All Songs Considered every Tuesday along with Alt Latino on Wednesdays, new music Friday at the end of every week.

本期我们聊的是本周最棒的新歌，由NPR音乐的多拉·莱维特为大家带来。

On this episode, we are talking about the best new songs of the week, NPR Music's Dora Levite.

你好，罗宾。

Hello, Robin.

你周末过得怎么样，多拉？

How was your weekend, Dora?

你整个周末都在听上周末发布的德雷克那张大专辑吗？

Did you did you spend the entire weekend listening to the massive Drake drop that we got at the end of last week?

说实话，我整个周末都在想，我真该把德雷克的那三张专辑都听一遍。

You know, I spent the entire weekend saying, I really need to listen to all three of the Drake albums.

是的。

Yeah.

我还得专心点，因为要是我只挑三首德雷克的歌，那可太有意思了。

And I really need to focus because I think it would be really funny if I picked only three Drake songs.

每张专辑选一首。

One from each record.

对。

Yeah.

每张专辑选一首，这当然了。

One from each record, obviously.

结果我始终没抽出时间。

And then I never found the time.

确实太多了。

It's a lot.

我倒是把三张专辑都听完了。

I actually did listen to all three albums.

对。

Mhmm.

实在太多了。

It's just too much.

音乐量太大了。

It's too much music.

听的时候有些片段让我觉得，要是单独听到这一首，不看上下文，其实挺棒的。

There were little moments as I was listening along where I thought, if I heard just this one song out of context, I think that's pretty great.

真是一首不错的歌。

That's a pretty great song.

但就是太多了。

But it's just too much.

所有的歌听起来都混在一起，变成了一团模糊的噪音。

It all just starts to blur together, and it just became a big audio mush.

确实。

Yeah.

他肯定会霸占公告牌百强单曲榜的前十名，甚至前二十名，等最新榜单出来的时候。

He he's gonna be all over the he's gonna be, like, the number one spot through the number 10 or 20 spot on the Billboard Hot 100 when when the latest charts come out.

我听了那些歌，也看了歌词，觉得挺有意思的。

I I I thought it was funny of all of the songs that I listened to and all of the lines in those songs.

我觉得最贴切的一句是‘所有数字都是最终结果’。

I thought the most appropriate line was all the numbers are final.

没有T恤。

No T shirts.

没有黑胶唱片。

No vinyl.

你们这是要让我变成里奇，像莱昂内尔那样啊。

Y'all about to make me Richie like Lionel.

说实话，这句话真不错。

First of that honestly, that's a pretty great line.

没错，我们马上就能让你赚得盆满钵满。

And, yes, we are all we're all about to make you very, very rich.

最近我确实花更多时间听公告牌百强单曲榜上的歌了。

Well, I actually have been spending a lot more time listening to stuff that is on the Billboard Hot 100.

我一直在试着多听点流行音乐，就是那种热门的歌。

I've been trying to listen to more pop music, like popular music.

可能对大多数人来说，这听起来挺荒唐的，但我平时真不怎么听流行音乐。

And maybe that sounds ridiculous to to most people, but I don't listen to a lot of pop music.

我从来就没怎么听过排行榜前四十的电台节目之类的。

I never really have listened to top 40 radio or anything.

但我发现了不少我真心喜欢的作品。

But I've been finding a lot of stuff that I genuinely enjoy.

也许我们可以做一期完整的节目，聊聊怎么去喜欢流行音乐。

Maybe we'll do a whole show about, like, how to love pop music.

最近我听得多了一位歌手，因为她刚发布了新单曲，她叫格蕾西·艾布拉姆斯。

But one of the artists that I've been listening to a lot more lately because we just got a new single from her is Gracie Abrams.

我不知道你有没有听过这首新歌。

I don't know if you've heard the new single yet.

这首歌叫《Hit the Wall》。

It's called Hit the Wall.

你听过吗？

Have you

我还没听过。

I haven't heard it.

你呢？

Have

如果你听过了的话。

if you've that yet.

刚发布不久。

Just came out.

她最近宣布要出一张新专辑。

She recently announced that she's got a new album coming out.

名字叫《地狱之女》。

It's called Daughter From Hell.

这次的首支单曲还是《Hit the Wall》。

And again, the first single we got from it is called Hit the Wall.

我很欣赏她在这首歌里明显放慢了创作节奏。

I really appreciate how much I feel like she's taken a step back from her songwriting.

对。

Mhmm.

说实话，我并不是特别喜欢格蕾西·艾布拉姆斯的音乐，但我早在她发歌之前就特别喜欢她了。

I feel like I I'll admit, I am not the biggest fan of Gracie Abrams music, but I really was a big fan of her before she started releasing music.

我以前经常在Instagram上看她唱歌的视频，应该主要是Instagram，不是YouTube。

I used to listen to her singing videos on Instagram and I think it was mostly Instagram, not YouTube.

但她一开始发歌的时候，我觉得挺失望的，感觉她是在刻意迎合某种风格，而不是像以前那样单纯地弹着吉他唱歌。

And when she started releasing music, I felt disappointed that it felt like she was really trying to make a type of thing rather than like the music that I watched her just make with her guitar.

好像在努力塑造某种形象似的。

Like, kind of tried to make like make this image.

但这次我很喜欢鼓点特别少的设计。

But here, I really like how there is really minimal drums.

整首歌完全由她的嗓音主导，情绪层层递进，特别动人。

It's really guided by her voice, and there's a really nice build to the entire song.

是的。

Yeah.

编曲真的很简洁。

It's pretty spare.

对。

Yeah.

你提到她刚发歌时的问题，其实挺有意思的，因为这首歌的主题正是我最近常听到的——那种明明不是自己，却觉得必须活成的样子带来的压力。

It's interesting you flag that as one of the issues that you had when she started releasing music because the theme of the song is one I feel like I've been hearing a lot, which is the idea of feeling this pressure to be something that you're not and that you think maybe you're supposed to be.

是的。

Yeah.

其实这个想法在很多方面并不新鲜。

I I mean, there's nothing new about that idea in a lot of ways.

几代人以来，人们总是觉得我应该成为这样的一个人。

For generations, people have thought, like, oh, about I should be this.

我应该成为那样的一个人。

I should be that.

这是家人希望我成为的样子，之类的。

This is what my family wants me to be or whatever.

但我忍不住想，现在这种压力是不是更强烈、更普遍了？是不是因为社交媒体，你总看到那些你“应该”成为的样子，才让人更受不了？

But I do wonder if it's more intense and more common now, and if it just works people over more now just because of social media, and you see these images and these ideas of things that you should be.

我也说不准。

And I don't know.

这首歌里头，有什么东西让人心都碎了。

There there's something about this song that breaks my heart a little bit.

我不确定是不是随着年龄增长，我对那些努力成为别人期待中样子的人更加敏感了，看着他们撞上南墙、精疲力尽，尤其是看到我孩子正处于青春期，正艰难地应对这个世界。

And I don't know if I've just become more sensitive as I've gotten older to people struggling to be something that they think they're supposed to be, and hitting the wall, and exhaustion, and especially seeing you know, my my kids are in full tween and teen mode and trying to help them navigate this whole world.

是的。

Yeah.

我也说不清楚。

I don't know.

这真的让我有点撑不住了。

It just kinda broke me a little bit.

对。

Yeah.

她在这里表现得特别脆弱。

She's incredibly vulnerable here.

就像你说的，此刻她正在崩溃，努力去做一些她以前不敢做的、更贴近内心的事。

And, like, talking about how in this moment, like you said, she is kind of breaking and really trying to do what feels more authentic to her in a way that she hasn't been able to.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得格雷西·艾布拉姆斯现在备受关注，

I feel like there are so many eyes on Gracie Abrams just

是的。

Yeah.

不只是她的音乐，还有她的感情生活，方方面面都被人盯着看。

In popular culture in general, like, beyond her music, her love life, her her everything.

但我真的觉得这首歌比她以前的作品更打动我。

But I I really do like this song more than I than I have liked her music in the past.

是的。

Yeah.

我听完整张专辑了。

I've heard the whole album.

我提前听到了。

I got a a early listen.

对。

Mhmm.

这张专辑叫《女儿来自地狱》，我真的特别特别喜欢。

And the album is called Daughter From Hell, and I really, really love it.

我觉得这是她迄今为止最棒的作品。

I think it's the best thing she's ever done.

那首歌，再强调一遍，叫《撞墙》。

That song, again, is called Hit the Wall.

这张叫《女儿来自地狱》的专辑要到7月17号才正式发行。

The album it's from, Daughter From Hell, is not out until July 17.

我觉得接下来我要放的这首曲子，也有类似的脆弱与温柔感。

I actually think this next song that I have has a similar sense of vulnerability and tenderness to it.

这首歌是来自田纳西的音乐人佐·安巴的，名字叫《满眼》。

It's a song from Tennessee based artist Zoh Amba, and the song is called Eyes Full.

这个怎么拼？

How do you spell that?

Z-o-h-a-m-b

Z o h a m b

啊。

a.

好的。

Okay.

真没想到你还没听过这首歌。

I'm surprised you haven't heard it yet.

我觉得你会喜欢的。

I feel like you'll

不会吧。

No.

真的没听过。

No.

我之前也完全没听说过Zoh Amba，这对我来说全是新鲜的。

I've I've also never heard of Zoh Amba, so this is all new.

哇。

Wow.

对吧？

Right?

哇。

Wow.

我完全没听说过。

Totally new to me.

以前从来没听过这位艺术家。

Never heard of this artist before.

那把吉他

That guitar

是不是太棒了？

Isn't it amazing?

太惊人了。

Incredible.

太惊人了。

Incredible.

明白了。

Okay.

我也是第一次听说他们。

They were new to me too.

当我听说这首歌是他们首张专辑《Eyes Full》的第二支单曲，而这张专辑六月就要发行时，我挺惊讶的。

And when I heard this was the second single off of their debut album, which is also called Eyes Full, that comes out in June.

可当我听到这两首歌，那种尖锐的嗓音配上特别粗糙的吉他音色，我一下子就着迷了。

But when I heard these two songs with their kind of screeching voice with this really crunchy guitar, I I became obsessed.

我还看到说，他们最初其实是玩自由爵士萨克斯的。

And I was reading that they actually started in, like, free jazz saxophone.

对。

Right.

我刚才边听歌边看资料，发现他们不仅吹萨克斯、长笛，还会弹吉他和钢琴，一开始是搞自由爵士的。

I was just reading that too while we were listening to the song, and I thought, saxophone they play saxophone, flute, guitar, piano, and got their start as a free jazz artist.

我当时就想，什么？

I thought, what?

我在这首歌里完全听不出那些元素。

I'm not hearing any of that in this.

我也没听出什么自由爵士的影子，但仔细想想也合理，因为伴奏虽然结构简单，就是反复弹奏同样的和弦，却营造出很深邃的氛围。

So I I also wasn't hearing any of the the free jazz influence, I feel like, but it does make sense because the instrumental is so deep despite it being fairly simple, like a kind of chugging of the same guitar chords.

但他们光靠器乐就构建出这么完整的音乐世界，真的让人印象深刻。

But this whole kind of world that they're able to build in just the instrumental alone was really impressive.

是的。

Yeah.

要说这歌哪里符合常规，我真看不出来。

I wouldn't call anything about that super conventional.

没错。

No.

但它的结构也没我想象中自由爵士那么随意或松散。

But it it wasn't quite as loose or free form as I I sometimes think with with free jazz.

是的。

Yeah.

但天啊，这把吉他在整个歌曲背后咆哮嘶鸣的样子。

But man, the way that guitar just roars and screams behind the whole song.

没错。

Oh, yeah.

我还特别喜欢他们咬字的方式。

And I love the way that they wrap their mouth around the words Mhmm.

还有那些歌词。

And the lyrics.

歌词嘛，有点重复。

And and the lyrics, it's kind of repetitive.

就是不断追问：眼睛被爱和渴望填满，到底意味着什么？你读过玛吉·尼尔森的《蓝》这本书吗？

It's just this like interrogation of what it means to have your eyes full, like your eyes full of love and full of longing and it have you did you ever read the book Bluets by Maggie Nelson?

没读过。

No.

没读过。

No.

我不太清楚这个。

I don't know that.

这本书全是关于蓝色的片段，探讨了‘蓝色’这个词和这个颜色的各种层面，还有蓝色在世界各处出现的方式。

It's this whole book that is just kind of excerpts on the color blue and exploring all aspects of the word blue and the color blue and like where blue shows up in the world.

他们对‘眼睛充满’这个表达的处理方式，以及深入挖掘它含义的过程——怎么延展这个说法，又赋予它多重意义——让我特别想到那本书，就是把一个简单的想法推到极致。

And the way that they shape the term eyes full and the way that they explore it like how you stretch the way to say eyes full, but also everything that that term could mean really reminded me of of that book and just stretching a single idea to the absolute limit.

我觉得特别棒，当你能深入挖掘，不断往看似最简单的想法里钻得更深。

I mean, I love I love when you can go super super deep and just keep going going deeper on what seems like the simplest idea.

你有听过阿德里安·林克尔吗？

Did you hear Adrian Linker a little bit?

听过了。

Yes.

完全听过。

Completely.

觉得没错。

Thought Yeah.

他们俩真该合作一次。

Boy, they ought to do something together.

对。

Yeah.

我听过阿德里安·林克的，也听过《龙新战争山 我相信你》里很多关于神圣与灵性的内容。

I heard Adrian Linker and I heard a lot of the divine and spirituality in Dragon New War Mountain I Believe In You.

是Big Thief的专辑。

The Big Thief album.

对。

Yeah.

Big Thief的专辑。

The Big Thief album.

所以Zoh Amba，拼写是Z-O-H-A-M-B-A，那首歌叫《冰坠》，是主打曲。

So Zoh Amba, z o h a m b a, the song Ice Fall, and that's the title cut.

是吗？

Yeah?

是的。

Yeah.

而且看起来是6月5号发行。

And it is out, looks like, on June 5.

对。

Yeah.

真厉害。

Wow.

这个选得太好了。

What a great pick.

我们把很多东西都冲进马桶了。

We flush a lot of things down the toilet.

就是那些显而易见的东西。

You know, the obvious ones.

但像可卡因这样的毒品，也跟着下水道流进了水体里。

But drugs like cocaine are also going down the drain and into our waterways.

这正在改变生活在其中的动物

That's changing the animals that live

在水里。

in it.

不幸的是，现在地球上大多数生态系统中都能发现这种现象。

It's definitely present in most ecosystems on earth now unfortunately.

我们才刚刚开始初步了解这可能带来的后果。

We're only sort of really starting to scratch the surface into understanding the potential consequences of that.

别提可卡因熊了。

Forget cocaine bear.

去短波电台、NPR应用，或者你听播客的任何平台，了解可卡因鲑鱼的故事。

Learn about cocaine salmon on shortwave, in the NPR app, or wherever you get your podcasts.

我还有一些，我打赌你会喜欢。

I got a couple more that I I bet you're gonna love.

我先说说贾兹敏·比恩。

I'll start with Jazmin Bean.

你听过Jazmin Bean吗？

Do you know Jazmin Bean?

我确实听过Jazmin Bean。

I do know Jazmin Bean.

好吧。

Okay.

她是伦敦的歌手。

Singer from London.

如果你听一下她这几年发的作品——几张专辑、几首单曲，还有好几张EP，最近几年她出的东西真不少，风格简直五花八门。

I think if you listen to the stuff that they've put out in the over the past few years, a couple albums, some singles, and EPs, actually quite a bit of stuff just in the last few years, it's kind of all over the place sonically.

有时候是那种扭曲、粗糙又响亮的吉他声。

Like, sometimes it's just these gnarled, gritty, loud guitars.

有时候是沉重的电子音效。

Sometimes it's heavy electronics.

有时候甚至还有舞曲节奏。

Sometimes it's even, like, dance beats.

就是各种风格混在一起。

It's just kinda all over the place.

Jazmin Bean 刚刚发布了一首新单曲，风格又完全不一样了。

Well, Jazmin Bean just dropped a new single that, again, is totally different.

这首歌叫《Darling》，咱们直接听听看。

It's called Darling, and we can just listen to it.

你听过这首了吗？

Have you heard this yet?

还没。

No.

还没听过。

Not yet.

那咱们现在就听一下，你就明白我说的意思了。

So we'll just listen to it, and you'll hear what I mean.

这是一首特别甜、特别上口的钢琴抒情歌，带着点六十年代末英国民谣和流行乐的味道。

It's just a very super sweet, kind of a catchy little piano ballad with kind of a late sixties Brit folk and pop vibe to it.

Jazmin Bean 的《Darling》。

Jazmin Bean, Darling.

多甜美的歌啊。

What a sweet, sweet song.

这难道不很棒吗？

Isn't that just wonderful?

是的。

Yeah.

你有没有听到，我好像听出了点 Nico 的味道。

It's do you hear, like I'm hearing, like, a little like Nico.

就是那种 Nico，带着点地下气息的感觉。

Like, Nico, the belt in the ground.

也有点像那个年代，六十年代末到七十年代初的样子。

Little like, that era too, sort of, like, late sixties, early seventies.

就是一首关于爱一个始终陪在你身边、和你一起走过风雨、一直支持你的人的歌。

Just a song about loving someone who's been there for you, who's kinda gone through it with you and has always been by your side, had your back.

这首歌也特别上头。

Such a great earworm too.

对。

Yeah.

我还特别喜欢它的层层推进。

And I love the build.

对。

Yeah.

尤其是它最后突然爆发的方式，我本来以为这首歌会慢慢铺陈，一直停留在那种温柔甜美的氛围里。

And especially how it kind of, like, peaks at the very very end in a way that I I kind of thought the song was gonna have like a a slow build and kind of live in like a a sweetness.

但结尾居然变得特别激动人心。

But it really gets so exciting in the end.

我超爱那句歌词：来吧，点燃我吧，我的爱人。

And I love the lyric, come on galvanize me my darling.

对。

Yeah.

你怎么看这个？

What do what do you make of that?

我并不觉得‘激励’这个词有什么浪漫的感觉。

I don't necessarily think of the word galvanize as a very romantic idea.

但能有这种想法真好——爱到想和对方一起行动，一起变得精彩，互相推动，让彼此在世界上更耀眼。

But it's so nice to have this idea of like, you're so in love that you want to be like active together and you wanna be exciting together and you wanna push the other person to be exciting in the world.

我希望你让我震惊。

I want you to shock me.

对。

Yeah.

让我震惊。

Shock me.

对。

Yeah.

让我震惊。

Shock me.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我从来没想过把贾兹敏·比恩和乐队Kee'n相提并论，但听的时候我老是想到他们。

Don't think that I would have ever thought to compare Jazmin Bean to the band Keen, but I kept hearing Keen as I was listening.

你听这首歌开头的部分。

Like, you listen to the top of this song.

对。

Yeah.

你明白吧？

You know?

天哪。

Oh my god.

对。

Yeah.

就是啊，完全如此。

It's like, totally.

你懂的。

You know?

没错。

Totally.

但就是有效。

But it works.

对。

Mhmm.

因为整个作品里有种近乎超现实的暗流。

It's like, because there is this sort of almost surreal undercurrent to it all.

这可不是普通的流行音乐。

It's not just straight pop.

完全对。

Totally.

特别有梦幻感。

It's very dreamlike.

他们有一种同样的甜美，这正是奥利维亚·罗德里戈音乐里最打动人的地方。

It's they have the same sweetness that I think makes Olivia Rodrigo shine in her music

是的。

Yeah.

那种对世界、对陷入热恋后无限可能的憧憬。

Of just this excitement about the world and about the possibilities of being so in love.

对。

Yeah.

不过贾兹敏·比恩还在上升期。

Well, Jazmin Bean's still kinda coming up.

她还没完全爆红。

They haven't completely broken yet.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但确实有一群超级狂热的粉丝。

But definitely some rabid fans out there.

他们在TikTok上粉丝量可大了。

Like, they're, you know, huge TikTok following.

是的。

Yeah.

还专门有个付费的Jazmin Bean维基页面，你知道吧？叫什么来着？

There's a there's a Jazmin Bean Wiki paid, you know, like, what what is it?

就是什么Jazmin维基之类的。

Like, the Jazmin Wiki or whatever.

上面全是各种传闻、猜测，乱七八糟的东西。

You know, where it's, like, for all the rumors and, you know, speculation and stuff like that.

其中一个传闻说，他们要出一张新专辑，叫《梦者的遗体长眠于此》。

One of those rumors is that they've got a new album coming up called Here Lies the Body of a Dreamer.

这纯粹是瞎编的。

That is a total rumor.

这事儿根本没有任何官方证实。

There's, you know, no confirmation of that whatsoever.

目前唯一正式的消息是，他们发布了一首单曲《Darling》，来自一个即将推出的作品。

The only official word for now is that they've got the single Darling, and it's from an upcoming project.

我超爱流行文化的八卦。

I love pop culture rumors.

我也是。

I really do too.

对啊。

Yeah.

我真怀念那时候根本没互联网的日子。

I miss I miss the days when there was no Internet at all.

对啊。

Yeah.

那时候你只能全信他们说的。

And you just you you had to believe them.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道，关于艺人总有这么多都市传说。

You know, all these urban myths and everything around artists.

以前像七十年代那些金属乐队，到处都是这类传闻。

There were so many around bands like, you know, all the metal bands in the seventies and stuff.

你懂的。

You know?

我特别喜欢去研究那些特别离谱的音乐阴谋论，比如有人把一首歌拆得支离破碎，硬是找出艺术家根本没想过的含义，像Boards of Canada就是这样。

I love learning about, like, really insane musical conspiracy theories where it's like when you just, like, completely pick apart a song in a way that an artist had no intention of, like, Boards of Canada.

当年不是有‘保罗已死’的传言吗。

There was Paul is dead.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

那个，嗯，故事里的耐心英雄。

The, yeah, patient hero in that.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

你想去哪儿？

Where do you wanna go?

好的。

Okay.

我想选一首我以为你会挑的歌。

I wanna do a song that I kind of thought you were gonna pick.

是德雷克。

It's Drake.

对吧？

Right?

是的

Yeah.

是德雷克的歌。

It's Drake.

对。

Yeah.

这首歌是由双人电子组合Ear创作的。

This song is by the Twi electronic duo Ear.

这是一首单曲。

It's a one off.

哦，我喜欢Ear，但我没想到他们出了新歌。

Oh, I love Ear, but I didn't know they had a new Yeah.

新歌。

New song.

太棒了。

Oh, awesome.

给Otis点个赞。

Shout out Otis.

是的。

Yeah.

他跟Twi说的。

He said to Twi.

这首歌叫Ne Plus Ultra。

It's called Ne Plus Ultra.

这是法语还是拉丁语，到底是什么？

Is that French or Latin or what is that?

我觉得是拉丁语。

I think it's Latin.

对，拉丁语。

Latin.

意思是‘无以复加’。

It's Latin for nothing further beyond.

你现在在拍我吗？

Are you videoing me right now?

还是这个画面。

And still that.

等于一。

Equals one.

我不会骗你。

I'm not gonna lie to you.

我觉得这一期我们做得特别棒。

I think we're really crushing it on this episode.

我也这么觉得。

I think I so too.

我觉得我们放的音乐真的特别好。

I think we're playing some really, really good music here.

我超爱Ear。

I love Ear.

自从去年夏天快结束的时候，我就没怎么听过他们的音乐了。

I I hadn't really heard anything since, like, late last summer or so.

我们在节目里放了一首歌，然后他们马上就推出了新作品。

They we played a song on the show, and then I think they followed it up immediately.

他们出了一张专辑，是他们的首张专辑。

There was a an album their debut album.

但从那以后，我就再没听到任何新动静了。

But I haven't heard anything since then.

这次的音乐更粗糙、更猛烈，也更尖锐了。

This is much more gnarled and harsher and sharper.

比我预想的还要酷得多。

It's very, very cool than what I was expecting.

是的。

Yeah.

我特别喜欢它那种层次丰富的质感。

I I love how dense it is.

这听起来像是他们从专辑发布以来一路走来的各种片段拼贴。

It's such a patchwork of I feel like where they've been since the album.

感觉他们是在带我们浏览一张情绪板，展示下一张专辑可能会是什么样子，如果有的话。

It really feels like they're taking us on a mood board of what a next project could be like if it's like

对。

Yeah.

我好像听到里面有一只猫在叫。

I heard like a a cat meowing in there.

没错。

Right.

特别喜欢那个声音出现的时候，一下子就消失得无影无踪。

Loved when when that voice comes in and it just goes like gone gone forever.

真的就彻底消失了。

It's gone forever.

这感觉特别像那些书里的氛围。

It's very it's very much like the books.

如果你熟悉那个乐队和他们的书，就会知道他们的音乐特别像拼贴风格。

If you know that group, the books, they they like very collage based music.

但这次，他们把所有边缘都打磨得极其锐利，做到极致紧凑。

But in this case, it's like they've sharpened all of the edges and made them as as just as tight as possible.

我特别欣赏最近很多音乐人那种随意的态度，尤其是年轻一代的电子音乐人。

I really appreciate how casual a lot of artists are recently, like, especially, like, younger electronic music.

是这样的。

It's

你是说，听起来就像他们在随便闲逛一样？

Do you mean, like, just that it feels like they're just hanging out?

整个感觉都很自然，像是随手拼凑出来的。

This is all very organic and just kind of thrown together.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

感觉特别自然，而且他们好像一做出音乐就马上发布出来。

That it it feels very organic, and also it feels like they're just putting out music as they make it.

拉尔斯·戈特里希和我上周在节目里刚聊到这个，说到我们很喜欢的乐队Black Swan Network，九十年代他们就是这么拼贴音乐的。

Lars Gottrich and I were just talking about this, in fact, on the show last week about a favorite band of ours, Black Swan Network, how back in the nineties, they were throwing music together like this

对。

Mhmm.

就是那种随性拼贴，像朋友聚在一起随便玩音乐。

You know, sort of as a collage Yeah.

即兴发挥，朋友在房间里随便搞搞。

Loose on the fly, friends hanging out in a room.

他觉得我们现在在像Ear这样的乐队里听到更多这种风格了。

He actually thought we were hearing more of this in bands like Ear.

完全没错。

Completely.

我觉得Bass Victim也是这样，那是个电子二人组，他们一直在推出大量精彩又密集的拼贴式音乐。

I I feel like I hear it in Bass Victim as well, which is like another electronic duo where they're just kind of putting out all of this really great, really dense patchwork music.