OBG 578：接触式

好的

Sure.

我们开始吧

Let's do it.

于是我们就玩了

So we did it.

这不是一个正式发行的游戏

And this was it's not it's not a published game.

我想它最初是登在某个游戏杂志上的，后来逐渐演变了一些

It's one of those I think it was in, like, a games magazine or something, and it has evolved a little bit.

基本上就是一副有三组花色、数字1到9的卡牌

But there's basically a deck of cards with three suits, one through nine.

你洗牌后抽出两张放进盒子里，剩下的牌分发给每个人

And you shuffle that up, you take two of those cards out and you stick them in a box, and then you deal the rest of it to everybody.

现在除了那两张牌，其他牌都在玩家手里了

So now all the cards except those two are out there.

你的目标就是找出那两张牌是什么。

And what you're trying to do is figure out what those two cards are.

然后还有另一副牌，同样有三套花色，数字从一到九。

And then there's another deck of cards, same thing, three suits, one through nine.

数量翻倍了。

It's doubled.

好的。

Okay.

你抽三张牌。

And you draw three cards.

然后根据这三张牌的花色，你可以向别人提问。

And then based on what those three cards are, are the questions you can ask somebody.

举个例子，如果它们都是同一花色且数字是二、四、六，我可以说：布鲁斯，你有这个花色二到六之间的牌吗？

So for instance, if they're all the same suit and there's numbers like two, four, and six, I can say, Bruce, do you have any of this suit between two and six?

然后你会回答：我有三张之类的。

And you would say, I have three or whatever.

然后你有一张小表格，开始在上面做标记。

And then you've got a little sheet and you start marking things down.

基本上就是不断重复这个过程，直到有人认为自己知道那两张牌是什么，而这两张牌会引导你找到某人手中持有的特定一张牌，你还需要进一步推断出那张牌。

And you just basically lather, rinse, repeat until someone thinks they know what those two cards are, and then those two cards will lead you to a specific card that somebody's holding in their hand that you then have to figure out that as well.

好的。

And Okay.

这就是游戏规则。

That's the game.

这非常吸引人。

And it's fascinating.

很有趣。

It's interesting.

这是纯粹的推理。

It's pure deduction.

进行到一半时，有人说，哦，你知道，我有三张这样的牌。

And halfway through, someone said, oh, you know, I have three of these.

花色分别代表金钱、爱情与暴力，比如美元对应金钱，红心对应爱情，剑对应暴力。

The suits are like dollars, hearts, and, like, swords representing money, love, and violence.

因为你们本应是在破解一桩谋杀案。

And, because you're supposed to be solving a murder.

然后他就说，是啊。

And, you know, he's like, yeah.

我有三张红心。

I have three hearts.

我看了看记录表说，我原以为他只有两张红心。

And I looked out of my sheet and I said, he's I thought he had two hearts.

所以我肯定在某个环节出错了。

So I have made a mistake somewhere.

我该怎么回溯这个错误呢？

And how do I roll this back?

但这真的很有意思。

But it was really interesting.

这太迷人了。

It's fascinating.

而且这是你可以自己动手制作的那种东西。

And it's the kind of thing you can make yourself.

你知道的，拿三副自行车牌组就能开始玩了。

You know, grab yourself three bicycle decks and then run with it.

以前有过一种艺术牛印刷版——不是印刷即玩，而是一种可以购买的艺术牛牌组。

There were used to be, like, an arts cow prints and play not print and play, but an art cow deck that you could purchase.

可惜那个链接早就失效了。

But that link has long since expired, unfortunately.

但我真的觉得这既有趣又令人着迷。

But I really found it just to be this real fascinating fun.

我的意思是，它特别适合那些喜欢安静坐着思考的人——他们会想'如果这个等于这个，那个等于那个，那么结论必然是那个'。

I mean, it's not it it's a hit for people who like to sit around, be quiet, and thinking, I wonder if this if this is this and this is this, then therefore, this must be this.

让我来问你这类问题吧。

Let me ask you this kind of thing.

你知道吗？

You know?

就像一群马普尔小姐围坐在桌边的感觉，但很有趣。

Bunch of miss Marples around the table kinda deal, but it's fun.

能在这么小的包装里体验到这些真的很酷。

And it's cool to get that in such a small package.

你懂吧？

You know?

刚刚好。

Just Right.

什么？

What?

纸牌吗？

Cards?

对。

Yeah.

差不多是这样吧。

Something like that.

是啊。

Yeah.

能把52口径的艺术卡组、52张艺术卡组做成这样，确实是种很酷的体验。

To to have that as a 52 cal arts cal deck, 52 card arts cal deck, that's kind of a cool experience.

没错。

Yeah.

我想说它可能还不止于此，但无论如何都很精致。

I wanna say it's a little bit more, but regardless, it's neat.

另外还有件事——这也是我喜欢去BGG的原因之一，也是我觉得这类展会最棒的地方——我妻子偶然发现了一款叫《Link Two》的游戏。

Now the other thing, and this is one of the reasons why I love going to BGG and one of the things that I think is just perfect about it and similar conventions is my wife stumbled across a game called Link two.

是个小型卡牌问答游戏。

It's a little card trivia game.

你之前听说过这个吗？

Are you familiar with this at all?

是的。

Yep.

好的。

Okay.

我玩过烹饪版和旅行版。

I have played both the cooking and the travel versions.

我们玩的是烹饪版和旅行版。

We played the cooking and the travel versions.

就是这样。

There you go.

但还有其他几个版本。

But there are a few others.

这个游戏的玩法是摊开卡片，我记得里面大概有60张。

And so what the idea behind this game is you lay out, I think it's like 60 cards in there.

如果是烹饪版，那里面全是各种不同的食物。

If it's the cooking one, it's all kinds of different foods.

如果是旅行版本，那就是各种不同的地点。

If it's the travel one, it's all kinds of different locations.

对吧？

Right?

然后还有另一叠卡片，每张卡片上有五个问题，难度会逐渐增加。

And then there's another stack of cards and there are five questions on each card so that they get more difficult.

从第一级开始，逐步挑战到第五级。

Start at level one, work your way to level five.

你翻开第一张卡片，读第一个问题，它会问比如'埃及的狮身人面像注视着什么巨型建筑'，你就会说'哦，肯定是金字塔'。

So you look up the first card, you read the question one, it's going to say, you know, what giant thing or the Sphinx looks at this giant thing in Egypt and you say, oh, it must be the pyramids.

于是我拿起这张卡片放在金字塔图案上。

So I take this card and I lay it down on the pyramids.

就这样不断重复操作，直到你回答完所有问题。

And you just lather, rinse, repeat till you get to the end of you've answered every one of these questions.

所有问题都在卡片上，最后会剩下一张没有对应答案的卡片。

All these questions are on a card and there'll be one card left that does not have an answer on it.

你把它翻过来。

You flip it over.

背面有一个小代码，你把它和你当前级别的答案代码对比。

There's a little code on the back, and you compare it to the answer code for your level.

如果匹配，就说明你都答对了。

And if they match, then you know you got everything right.

如果不匹配，你就得试着回头看看哪里出错了。

And if they don't match, then you kinda try and go back and figure out what you got wrong.

游戏里还有个机制能判断特定卡片是否正确。

And there is a mechanism in there to determine whether a specific card is correct or not.

但这就是游戏规则。

But that's the game.

然后你收起所有问题卡片说：'嘿，我们试试第二关吧'。

Then you scoop up all the questions and say, hey, let's try level two.

接着你开始第二关，重新分发卡片。

And then you do level two, and you distribute them out.

然后你说，嘿。

And then you say, hey.

我们来试试第三关吧。

Let's try level three.

接着你玩第四关。

And then you do level four.

然后你玩第五关。

And then you do level five.

然后你说，哦，真好玩，我再也不用玩这个游戏了。

And you say, oh, it was fun, and I never need to play this game again.

是的。

Yep.

百分百真实。

All 100% true.

我觉得你能从中玩五局游戏。

I would say you get five games out of it.

它大概就15美元。

It costs, like, $15.

我觉得它不欠你什么。

I don't think it owes you anything.

确实如此。

That is true.

很棒的游戏。

Great game.

玩个五次就转送给别人，就其本质而言已经非常出色了。

Get your five plays and then give it to somebody else, and it is wonderful for what it is.

没错。

Yes.

我真的很高兴我们能有机会玩到并体验它。

And I and I'm really excited that we got to got to play that and try it out.

而且我得说那些冷知识问答从来不算特别难。

And I will say that the trivia was never super difficult.

比如，我们总能一次就答对。

Like, we always got it right on the first try.

有些卡片你们会先放在一边，等最后看剩下什么再决定，但问题设计得很巧妙。

There were some cards you put off to the side and would decide at the end when we saw what was left, but But the questions were neat.

比如，第一级的问题都相当直白。

Like, the level ones one were pretty straightforward.

知道吗，搅拌牛奶时就会发生这种情况。

Know, this stuff happens when you churn milk.

你会想，哦，这肯定是黄油。

You're like, oh, it must be butter.

但到最后，问题开始变得有点冷门了。

But then at the end, they start to get kind of esoteric.

比如，有些问题冷门到我现在一个都想不起来，但它们确实越来越晦涩。

Like, you know, can't even think of one of them, but, you know, they start to get really obscure.

我能举例但不会说，因为我希望所有想玩的人都亲自去体验。

I can because and I'm not going to because I want everybody that wants to play it to go out there and play it.

但在旅行主题的第五关里，有一条线索，我让所有人都相信游戏会突然采用填字游戏的方式处理问题。

But there was one where in the travel one, in level five of the travel one, there is one clue, and I convinced everybody that suddenly the game was gonna treat things like a crossword puzzle.

它会变得超级超级聪明。

It was gonna be super duper clever.

大家都说，'布鲁斯，我觉得他们没那么聪明'。

People were like, I don't think they're that clever, Bruce.

然后我说，'不'。

And was like, no.

不。

No.

不。

No.

他们必须得是。

They've they've gotta be.

对吧？

Right?

还能是什么别的呢？

What else could it be?

肯定是这个东西。

It's gotta be this thing.

然后他们说，好吧，老兄。

And they went, okay, man.

比如，我想不出其他可能了。

Like, I can't think anything else.

确实。

Sure.

最后我们不得不作弊，因为我被自己错误的思维模式困住，给出了太多错误答案，把局面搞得一团糟。

And we finally had to cheat because I had I had twisted us up so bad with so many wrong answers because of my wrong paradigm I got trapped in.

但问题是，那个错误问题导致我们把另外六样东西也放错了位置，要纠正回来简直痛苦不堪。

But that was the only and the problem was it was the one question that was wrong, but it made us take six other things and put them in the wrong places, and winding that back was so painful.

所以实际上大家都对我很恼火，因为我是罪魁祸首。不过我们也觉得，至少这证明游戏里确实存在让人深陷的陷阱——没错。

So we were kinda actually like everyone was mad at me because I was the problem, But we were like, well, at least there is a way to get ensnared in this game Yes.

而不是一遍又一遍地解决49个问题。

Rather than just knock down 49 questions over and over again.

至少存在某种方式会让你困惑到难以应对。

At least there is some way in which you could become confused enough to make it difficult.

是的。

Yes.

所以，没错，我们玩'链接二'时很开心。

So, yeah, I we had fun playing link two.

我肯定会尝试玩其他几款。

I would definitely play some of the others.

我不确定会不会特意去买它们。

I don't know that I'd run out and buy them.

但就像你说的，15美元而已。

But like you said, I mean, $15.

这个价格不算离谱。

It's not outrageous.

我要说的是我和家人一起玩过这些游戏。

I'm gonna say I played them with my family.

我想说可能是上个假期和一群朋友一起玩的。

I wanna say maybe last holidays and played them with a bunch of friends.

我甚至要给它写个好评并点赞，前提是你不是讨厌益智问答的人。

I'm gonna go so far as to give it a review and give it a thumbs up, assuming you don't hate trivia.

是啊。

Yeah.

如果你

If you

讨厌琐事，一个

hate trivia, one

这东西不会

thing this is not gonna

改变你的信仰。

change your religion.

但如果你能接受琐事问答并且想要一个好的游戏体验，因为它做到了我认为琐事问答通常不太擅长的方面——我们上次讨论琐事游戏时就提到过——那就是它真正实现了合作游戏的本质。

But if you can tolerate trivia and you want a good because it does the one thing I think trivia doesn't do super well, and we talked about this the last time we talked about trivia games, which was this lets it really be a co op game.

你们确实能真正地协同合作，这种感觉从来不会让人感到糟糕。

And you really all do get to work together, and that never feels bad.

如果有人恰好知道答案，那很好。

If someone just knows that you go, good.

你说得对。

You're right.

对于很多题目，你看着内容就能直接回答：好的。

Now for a lot of them, you look at the thing and go, okay.

是这个。

It's this.

是这个。

It's this.

有时题目过于简单，你得记得告诉大家你在做什么。

And you have to remember to kinda, like, tell everybody what you're doing because they're so simple sometimes.

但如果你在寻找一种能与从姑婆到小孩等所有人共享的合作问答体验，我强烈推荐至少尝试链接中的美食版和旅行版。

But it is a great if you're looking for a co op trivia experience you can have with, like, everybody from your great aunt all the way down to children, I do suggest the link to is at least the the food one and the travel one.

是啊。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我同意你的观点。

I agree with you.

所以按照同样的思路，他们今年举办了年度解谜活动。

So in in that same line, they had the puzzle hunt, the annual puzzle hunt this year.

于是我们坐下来一起参与了。

And so we we sat down and did that.

我记得上次参加解谜活动还是2018年，那次我们表现得还不错。

Now the last I figured out the last time I did the puzzle hunt was, like, 2018, and it was we did okay.

我想我们大概完成了三分之二的谜题。

I think we got maybe two thirds of the puzzles completed.

这次，我们和几个认识的高手一起参加了。

This time, we did it with a couple people that we knew that were super good.

又是卡洛斯，他玩过'推理或死亡'游戏，也是他把这个游戏介绍给我们的。

Carlos again, who had done the deduce or die game or who had introduced it to us.

于是我们就坐下来玩，这次更像是个解谜小酒馆的风格。

And so, yeah, we sat down, and this one was much more like a puzzled pint.

大概只有六七个谜题，可能八个。

Like, there was only six or seven puzzles, maybe eight.

它们都指向某个特定的目的地，我想这是最好的描述方式。

And they were they all kind of led to a particular a particular destination, I guess, the best way to put it.

还挺有意思的。

It was kind of fun.

整个主题是关于一家餐厅，那里有对双胞胎女孩想吃鸡柳却吃不到。

The whole theme was a restaurant where these twin girls wanted chicken strips and couldn't get them.

现在她们死了，像《闪灵》里那样阴魂不散。

And now they died and haunted like The Shining.

它叫做《餐厅惊魂》，但整个主题都与《闪灵》相关。

It's called The Dining, but the whole thing was all Shining related.

所以你经历了一系列不同的谜题。

So you went through a bunch of different puzzles.

我得说我们玩得非常开心。

And I will say we we had a lot of fun.

我们完成了所有谜题，成功解开了它。

We finished all the puzzles, solved it.

但我真正喜欢的是它的低调，我要用‘包容’这个词来形容。

But what I really like about it is how low key and I'm gonna use the word inclusive.

说到包容，我的意思是他们希望你能玩得开心。

And by inclusive, I mean, like, they want you to have fun.

他们希望你提出问题。

They want you to ask questions.

如果你被难住了，他们很乐意解答。

If you get stumped, they're happy to answer it.

要知道，即便你对解谜寻宝这类活动只有一点点兴趣，也完全不必感到畏惧。

You know, it's just nothing to be intimidated about if you have even the the slight interest of doing kind of a puzzle hunt sort of thing.

不错。

Nice.

我想说这也是PAX活动的另一大优点，他们希望在任何意义上都做到包容——这个词的所有含义。

And I wanna say that is also another good thing about packs, and they wanna be inclusive in every way in which you can use that word.

无论你是谁，身在何处，来自何方，以何种方式抵达，如何参与游戏，如何互动——他们都希望你能参与其中，并为你找到融入的方式。这正是我一直钟爱PAX的原因，所有PAX活动给我的感觉始终如此。

And and that is from whoever you are, wherever you are, wherever you're coming from, however you get here, however you play, however you move around, whatever it is, they want you to be here, and they wanna make a way for you to be a part of this, which is something I've always really loved about the PAXs, all of them across the board for me, is that that's how it's always felt.

如果你有过去Pax展的不良体验，我听说早年间的展会可能并不总是那么出色。

If you have experiences from old Paxes that are bad, I've heard that back in the day, maybe they weren't always the greatest.

但自2017年以来我所见的一切都堪称一流。

Everything I've seen since, like, 2017 has been really tops.

哦，这很有趣——让我想起一件事，抱歉，但这确实相关。

Oh, that's interest that's it reminds the one of the things that I'm sorry, but it's related.

不。

No.

BGG有一个感官室。

BGG had a sensory room.

我忘了他们具体是怎么描述的，但它大致位于安静游戏区后面的偏远位置。

I forget the exact way they put it, but it was kind of in the back of beyond the quiet games area.

所以他们有几个小房间被指定为安静游戏区，在那里玩游戏就像在图书馆里一样。

So they had a bunch of smaller rooms that they designated quiet games area where you play like you're playing in a library.

而在那后面，他们有一个...整个设计理念就是，如果感觉感官超负荷了——如果你去过拉斯维加斯，就完全明白我们在说什么了。

And then behind that, they had sort of a the the whole point is if it's just too much sensory overload, then if you've ever been to Vegas, you know exactly what we're talking about.

然后你可以进入这个房间。

Then you can go into this room.

我探头往里看了看，里面很整洁。

And I and I poked my head in there, and it was neat.

我是说，他们当然有一些灯光很柔和。

I mean, they had some really of course, the lights were subdued.

到处都是彩色的灯光在闪烁。

There was colored lights going all over place.

那里播放的不是白噪音，而是一些背景音乐之类的。

There was some not white noise, but, you know, kind of background music y kind of stuff.

是的。

Yeah.

真的，你只需要坐在那里，放松片刻，或者根据需要的时间来减压，然后重新投入喧嚣之中。

And literally, you just kinda sat there and just sorta decompressed for a moment or two or as long as you needed to and then back into the fray of things.

确实如此。

Absolutely.

而且Pax也做了同样的事情。

And once again, Pax does the same thing.

我记得那个房间好像就叫涂色书室。

I think literally it's called like the coloring book room.

哦，对。

Oh, yeah.

你可以

You can

如果你想的话，就进去涂涂色书。

just go in and color coloring books if you want to.

如果你需要暂时离开，但又想让手头有点事做，我觉得这是个很酷的点子。

If you just need to kinda be away, but you want your hands to do something, which I think is a cool thing.

虽然我自己从不需要这个，但作为曾经卖过快乐鲑鱼游戏的人，我确实遇到过有人因为刺激过度而直接从我面前跑开的情况，他们会突然朝某个方向冲出去。

It's not a thing I ever need, but having been the person that sold people happy salmon, I did sometimes have people literally run away from me going, that was too much stimulation, and they just, would bolt off in a direction.

所以我完全能理解那种感受。

So I certainly can understand.

在开始另一个游戏评测前，我想先接着你之前的话题聊聊。

So I guess to to play off your thing before I I jump into another game review.

你刚才提到了解谜寻宝活动。

So you were saying there is the puzzle hunt.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我认为这正好能体现我们两个节目之间的显著差异。

And I think this is about to show a perfect difference between these two shows.

BGG有一个解谜寻宝活动。

BGG has a puzzle hunt.

我们会在某个时间停下来进行解谜寻宝。

We stop at a time and we have our puzzle hunt.

PAX展会期间，每天都有持续开放的谜题房间贯穿整个大会。

At PAX, there is an ongoing puzzle room every day of the entire convention.

这是展会固定环节——专门设有包含锦标赛、真人角色扮演等内容的完整区域。

That is just a part of the show that is there is an entire area that is tournaments, LARPs.

我正在看相关介绍。

I'm reading the thing right now.

如果你想体验谋杀之谜类游戏，可以去谋杀之谜专区看看。

Murder Mystery Things, if you wanna check out Murder Mystery Things.

我记得Jabinci游戏也是谋杀之谜专区的一部分。

I think it's also where the Jabinci game was, specifically as part of Murder Mystery.

还有欺诈游戏区可以玩群体欺诈类游戏，以及专门的解谜游戏区。

The deception zone, if you wanna play any of those, like, mass deception games, and then the puzzle zone.

如果你想参加解谜活动，他们每天至少会举办一场解谜活动，你可以随时加入。

So if you wanted to do a puzzle hunt, there were running puzzle hunts at least once a day that you could jump into if you wanted to be a part of it.

或者如果你只想玩解谜类游戏，那里有一整片解谜游戏区供你选择，我觉得他们这种安排方式挺有意思的。

Or if you just wanted to play puzzle type games, there was an entire puzzle type game area for you, which I think is just kind of a neat thing about how they do stuff here.

是啊。

Yeah.

我同意。

I agree.

说到游戏库，我提过他们有大约8000款游戏。

Library wise, I mentioned they had like 8,000 games.

活动结束后他们总会公布借出统计数据。

At the end, they always post the checkout statistics.

顺便说一句，《热力街头》是展会最热门的游戏之一。

Hot Street, by the way, one of the hottest games of the convention.

其中大约只有3000款游戏被借出过，我觉得这个数据挺有意思的。

Only 3,000 of those games approximately were checked out, which I thought was kind of interesting.

我觉得可能应该更多样化一些。

I felt like it might have been a little more, a little broader.

以前他们确实会带上整个游戏库，但现在规模太大了，如果某个游戏几年都没人玩，就得从架上撤下来。

And there used to be back in the day, they'd bring their entire library, but now the library has gotten so large, they have to sorta if it doesn't get played in a couple of years, it gets pulled off the shelf kind of thing.

但他们设了一个新游戏专区，这些游戏的借阅时间更短。

But they had a section for newer games, and those had a shorter checkout time.

当然，这些新游戏周转得特别快。

And, of course, those were were turnover, you know, quite quickly.

剩下的游戏嘛，你可以慢慢浏览挑选。

And then they had the, you know, the rest of the games, and you can go through and and check those out.

我们玩过的一个游戏叫'环中物'。

One of the games that we played was things in rings.

不知道你听说过没有。

I don't know if you're familiar with this.

好的。

Okay.

我好像听说过这个，但不太了解。

So I feel like I've heard of it, but I don't know it well.

所以

So

这个游戏的创意当然是基于维恩图的概念。

the idea, of course, it's Venn diagram sort of based.

你有这些环。

You have these rings.

它们其实就是一圈绳子。

They're just a a circular piece of string.

一个是红色，一个是蓝色，一个是黄色。

One's red, one's blue, one's yellow.

你把它们摆成类似维恩图的样子。

And you set them out kind of Venn diagram like.

我记不清具体颜色了，但其中一个环有文字规则，比如必须包含两个相邻的元音字母。

And I forget the colors, but one of them is a word rule, like, has to have two vowels that are next to one another.

好的。

Okay.

其中一个是关于它是什么的描述。

One of them is a description of what it is.

比如，哦，它会发出声音。

Like, oh, it makes sound.

然后我忘记第三个是什么了，因为我们从没做到第三个。

And then I forget what the third one was because we never made it to the third one.

然后你手里会有一叠卡片，上面都是些随机的东西。

And so then you have a a handful of cards, and it's just a bunch of random stuff.

比如木琴、大脑、芦笋之类的，什么都有。

A xylophone, a brain, you know, asparagus, whatever.

然后一个人会选出四张卡片，放到它们对应的圆圈里。

And one person will put, I think, four cards in whichever circle that it goes in.

比如说，木琴这个词没有连续的两个元音，所以它应该完全放在一个圆圈里。

So, like, xylophone makes It doesn't have two consecutive vowels, so it's gonna go in the fully in one circle.

然后其他卡片会放入另一个圆圈里。

And then there's a other cards are gonna go in the other circle.

接下来玩家们会在自己的圆圈里放一张卡片，然后裁判会告诉他们是否正确。

And then what's gonna happen is the players are gonna put a card down in their circle, then the judge is gonna tell them whether they got it right or not.

如果答对了就很好，因为游戏目标就是出完所有手牌。

If they got it right, that's good because the object is to get rid of all your cards.

如果答错了，裁判会把卡片移到正确位置，然后玩家需要抽一张新牌。

If they got it wrong, the judge moves it to where it's supposed to be, and then they draw a new card.

当然，这个游戏的关键就是要弄清楚这些圆圈遵循什么规则。

And the game, of course, is to try and determine what are the rules governing the circles.

没错。

Yep.

现在我要说我超爱这个创意。

Now I'm gonna say I love the idea.

我超爱这个设计理念。

I love the concept.

还有，是的。

And Yep.

我玩的时候，具体记不清我的字母或单词是什么了，但规则很类似于两个元音相邻且能发出声音的东西。

When I was playing, I forget exactly what my letters my words were one, but it was very similar to having two vowels next to each other and something that makes noise.

这非常简单。

And it was very easy.

木琴，它显然能发出声音。

The xylophone, it clearly makes noise.

芦笋不会发出声音。

Asparagus does not make noise.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Yep.

所以我们玩得很开心。

And so we had fun playing that.

但另外三次我们玩这个游戏时，出现了太多随意性的东西。

But the other three times we played it, there were so many arbitrary things.

里面有曲线。

Has a curve in it.

有人扮演墓碑。

Someone plays a tombstone.

墓碑有曲线吗？

Does a tombstone have a curve?

嗯，画里确实有。

Well, the drawing did.

但当你想到墓碑时，你会认为它有曲线吗？

But do when you think of a tombstone, do you think of it as a curve?

可能会。

You might.

也可能不会。

You might not.

所以现在那个人必须做出决定。

So now that person has to make a decision.

就是这个问题，它到底有没有曲线？

Is this you know, does it have a curve or does it not?

而且似乎很多描述词都是这样的。

And it it seemed like a lot of the descriptors were like that.

我觉得字母部分还算直截了当。

I gotta kinda like, the the letters were pretty straightforward.

要么符合规则，要么不符合。

Either it follows the rules or it doesn't.

但很多时候那些属性太模糊了，说实话这让游戏变得没那么有趣。

But the the attributes were so vague in a lot of times that it it honestly became less fun.

我们玩过一局游戏，大概有15张牌，其中至少有10张属于'无'类别，意味着它们两个标准都不符合。天啊。

We played one game where, I think there were 15 cards out and at least 10 of them were in the none, meaning it didn't meet either criteria Oh, goodness.

就是这种情况。

Kind of thing.

是啊。

So Yeah.

我觉得如果玩得多了，能预判设计师对属性的定义，可能会玩得更好些。

I think if you played it a lot and started getting ahead of the designer of what they thought an attribute was, I think you could sort of get better at it.

但我觉得这显然是个需要谨慎对待的游戏。

But I think that this is a really this is a clearly a yellow light.

这个创意确实不错，但还需要进一步打磨。

It was really a good idea, but I think it needs another level of refinement.

我很好奇是否真能做到这一点。

And I'm curious if you can even get that.

对吧？

Right?

就像老式的《猜猜我是谁》那种节目

So if you think of the old, like like, what's my line?

那些老游戏节目就会这样处理。嗯哼。

Like, the old game shows that would do this Mhmm.

你需要运行一个非常简单的程序。

Where you would have to run something very simple.

这个人是谁？

Who is this person?

没有其他内容。

Not anything else.

他们的职业是什么？

What is their job?

这就是《我是做什么的》的玩法。

That's what's my line.

我的职业是什么？

What is my job?

仅此而已。

And that's it.

这就是你唯一需要考虑的。

That's all you can worry about.

你还需要一个主持人，在节目过程中要时不时看向场外的制作人示意，然后有人会说，嗯，你知道的，我是个职业拳击手。

And you still need a host who during the show has to, like, look off stage at a producer to say and then a person who's like, well, you know, I'm a professional boxer.

我是个艺人吗？

Am I an entertainer?

是的。

Yes.

而且，就像，我喜欢人们被我逗乐。

And, like, I like, people are entertained by me.

懂吗？

You know?

这就是一条规则。

And that's one rule.

这不是多条规则，也不是盯着这个词看。

That's not multiple rules and also looking at the word.

所以我认为这种游戏在纸面上总是让人感觉很好，因为它设计得很巧妙。

So I think that's just the kind of game that on paper's always gonna feel good because it's brilliant.

然后当你必须去做的时候，你会觉得，哦。

And then once you have to do it, you're like, oh.

而如果你是那个试图帮忙却让你感觉糟糕的人，如果你是那些无法理解的人，你会觉得自己像个傻瓜。

And then if you're the person trying to help you feel bad, if you're the people that can't get it, you feel like fools.

对。

Right.

它

It

陷入了派对游戏可能陷入的那种陷阱，因为它们太简单了，就是当你无法完成那个酷炫动作时，你会因为做不到而感到沮丧。

falls in that party game trap that party games can fall in because they're so simple is that when you can't do the cool thing, you feel bad you can't.

我超级好奇是否真有人能设计出一款既能做到这点又行之有效的游戏。

And I'm I'm super curious if there is if someone ever comes up with the game that does that that works.

是啊。

Yeah.

你知道吗？

You know?

完全同意。

Absolutely.

是的。

Yep.

我同意你的观点。

I agree with you.

嘿。

Hey.

我是埃里克。

This is Eric.

我想告诉大家，自2020年起我们就一直使用Zencastr进行所有录音工作，这对我们帮助巨大——它不仅能提供基础网站功能让大家相互连接沟通（类似Zoom和Teams），还能将每条音轨单独录制，这在后期剪辑时至关重要。

I just wanted to let you guys know that since 2020, we've been using Zencastr to do all of our recording, which has been a huge help to us because what it allows you to do is have your basic website where you can connect with one another and communicate with one another, you know, like your Zooms and your Teams, but it also records everything in a separate track, which is critical when editing time comes around.

所以，我强烈推荐你们。

So, hey, I encourage you.

去试试Zencastr吧

Check out Zencastr,

zencastr.com。

zencastr.com.

我们来看看。

Let's take a look.

还有一点我想指出的是，当我查看PAX地图时，发现PAX地图上有多个剧院。

Another thing I wanna note as I'm looking over at the PAX Map is that the PAX Map has multiple theaters.

所以在活动期间，还有剧院式座位的表演。

So during the thing, there are also seated theater style shows.

无论是Acquisition Inc的现场表演，还是omegathon决赛，或是dropout的Ify在那里主持的即兴游戏秀——费城有个即兴团体专门做DND和玩家LARP这类极客内容，他们也在那里有活动。

So whether that's Acquisition Inc doing a live play, whether that's the end of the omegathon, whether that is Ify from dropout was there and hosted, like, a we're gonna make a live improv game show, an improv group out of Philadelphia that does, like, you know, D and D and gamer LARP nerd stuff had stuff there.

因此还有另一个特点：这里有固定的剧院时间表，包括一个主剧院和几个分剧院，比如教学剧院——本质上是个大宴会厅，每两小时就会有人用大屏幕展示游戏配件，由精通游戏的人教你玩新游戏，这也引出了我稍后要分享的一个经历。

So that is another thing where there is a consistent theater schedule of, like, a main theater and several other theaters, including learn to play theaters, where essentially it's a large ballroom where every two hours, there's a new game that someone that knows the game inside and out is gonna teach you with pieces like being up on a giant screen so you can see it, which is how we get into one of my experiences that I'll get to in a moment.

因为在周六结束时，我们和Flip Flory接管了教学剧院，玩了一个非教学性质的游戏。

Because at the end of Saturday with Flip Flory, we took over the How to Play theater to do a non How to Play game.

这算是另一个不同点——这个展会规模实在太大了。

That's sort of another difference is this show is so big.

那里有你可以去观看的剧场演出。

It has theater shows you can go see.

那真是太棒了，简直疯狂。

That is that is awesome and crazy.

确实如此。

It it really is.

真的，真的是这样。

It really, really is.

因为在我参与的时间里，我做了两件事。

Because the part of my time there are two things I did.

我被邀请在会展中心附近停车场的厢式卡车后部做卡拉OK，然后我还在'如何游玩'区进行了活动。

I was brought in to do karaoke in the back of a box truck in a parking lot near the convention center, and then I also did the thing at how to play.

不过我想...我能谈谈另一个游戏吗？

But I want to can I can I talk about another game?

当然可以。

Absolutely.

我还有一款游戏要介绍，随着我们节目期数的增加，我肯定会更多地聊聊我在独立游戏夜市上买的那些游戏。

So I have one more game from the and I'm sure over time as we do more episodes, I'll talk more about the games I got at the indie night market.

其中有款我买了并且玩过好几次的游戏，叫做'老虎机大富翁'。

But one that I got and I've played several times is a game called slot machine millionaire.

它由约翰·巴伦设计，艺术指导是拉格纳·泰西耶。

It is designed by John Barron with art by Ragnar Tessier.

希望我没念错你的名字——不过很可能还是念错了。

I hope I'm not saying your name wrong, but I probably am.

本质上，我们都在...呃...教你玩。

And, essentially, we all, like, teach you.

对吧？

Right?

我可不会。

I do not.

但我能理解人们喜欢它的点。

But I I see what people like about it.

我不认为这是个糟糕的游戏。

I don't think it's a bad game.

只是我不

It's just I don't

喜欢去记那些规则，好吧。

like to remember whether okay.

所以这可能对你有点效果，也可能没有。

So this may or may not actually work for you a little bit.

如果你能接受弃牌环节，但讨厌整个'教你'的部分，这个游戏可能适合你。

If you're okay with the shedding cards part, but you hate the entire thing around teach you part, this may work for you.

本质上，这是个'教你'风格的弃牌游戏，但所有牌面上都没有数字。

Essentially, this is a teach you style card shedding game, but there are no numbers on anything.

你手上的牌全是老虎机图案。

All the cards in your hands are slot machine symbols.

比如7、樱桃、BAR、铃铛、柠檬之类的，还有一组牌组成了类似老虎机的赔率表。

So sevens and cherries and bars and bells and lemons and stuff, and there is a set of cards that make up sort of the chart from a slot machine.

你可以向中央打出一张、两张或三张牌，因为老虎机只有三个卷轴。

And you can play one, two, or three cards to the center, and that's it because there's only three reels on a slot machine.

如果你打出一张牌，其他人有两种选择。

If you play one card, people can do one of two things.

他们可以添加一张相同符号的牌，相当于让另一个卷轴停止转动。

They can either add one of the same symbol, essentially making another reel stop.

如果有两张牌，他们可以添加第三张，组成更强的牌型。

If there are two, they can add a third, making that a more powerful hand.

但一旦达到三张，就意味着三个卷轴都已停止，或者你可以击败它。

But once you get to three, all three reels have stopped, or you can beat it.

比如看牌面等级，如果有人打出一张最低等级的铃铛牌，任何更高等级的牌都能击败它，以此类推。

So if you look at the rank and someone plays one bell and it's at the bottom, any one thing is gonna beat the bell and then etcetera, etcetera, as you go up the rank.

当有人打出最高等级的牌时，他们就能收走这些牌并弃掉，成功减少手牌。

Once someone has played whatever the highest thing is gonna be, they scoop the cards, throw them off the side, they got rid of cards.

他们使用的牌等级会沉到底部，其他牌等级相应提升，游戏持续进行直到清空手牌。

Whatever rank they used goes to the bottom and everything shifts up, and you play until you can get rid of your entire hand.

游戏进行三轮。

You play for three rounds.

你出牌越快得分越多，这就是老虎机百万富翁的玩法。

You get more points the faster you go out, and that is slot machine millionaire.

听起来很有趣。

That sounds fun.

我觉得这设计太棒了。

I think it is brilliant.

我超喜欢。

I love it.

我超爱它的美术设计。

I love the art on it.

我相信这个系列还会有其他游戏出版。

I'm sure other games from this are gonna be published.

这款是我希望有人能接手发行的。

This is the one I hope somebody picks up.

我认为这里有很多亮点。

I think there's a lot good here.

每位玩家还会获得一枚幸运币。

Each player also gets one lucky coin.

如果你使用幸运币，可以彻底翻转整个图表。

If you use a lucky coin, you can completely spin the chart.

所以原本在顶部的会到底部。

So whatever's at the top is at the bottom.

原本在底部的会到顶部，整场游戏你只有一次使用机会。

Whatever at the bottom is at the top, you get one of those for the entire game.

所以有时候如果有人已经出局了，嘿。

So sometimes if somebody's gone, hey.

我要出三个七，这可是最大的牌面。

I'm gonna play three sevens, and they're the max.

你说，酷。

You go, cool.

这是我的幸运币，现在我要出任意三张牌，因为7点现在是底牌而非顶牌。

There's my lucky coin, and now I'm gonna play three of anything because now sevens are the bottom rather than the top.

每位玩家只能使用一次这种上下颠倒的效果。

And that topsy-turviness can happen one time for each player.

我喜欢这个设计。

I love it.

唯一的问题是，如果你是个教学型玩家，可能会有点难理解，因为你习惯了更多牌或其他规则，比如可以随意出牌只要数量更多之类的玩法，但这里完全没有那些机制。

It's the only thing is if you're a teacher player, it's a little hard to grok because you're used to, you know, more cards or any other cards, or I can play as many cards as I want as long as it's more of them or and all of that's not here.

老虎机上有三个转轮。

There are three reels on a slot machine.

一旦你理解了这点——把它想象成只有三个转轮的老虎机，而且中间那张7点不会被底部的两个铃铛打败。

And as soon as you grasp that, that it thinks of a three reel slot machine and no more, and that you can't one seven that's in the middle is not beaten by two bells at the bottom.

这根本不可能发生，因为游戏机制就不是这样运作的。

That just isn't a thing because it's just not the way it's ever gonna work.

没错。

Right.

这突然对你有所帮助，你就能真正掌握它了。

That suddenly helps you, and you can really grab this.

但《老虎机百万富翁》是另一款值得入手的游戏。

But slot machine millionaire was another pickup.

艺术风格是我非常喜欢的部分之一。

The art is one of things I really like.

它非常具有中世纪现代风格，正是这点吸引了我。

It's very mid century modern, which drew me to this.

以老虎机为主题，我喜欢其中像Uno、羊驼或Tichu那样的出牌机制。

The theme of it being a slot machine, I like the the card shedding of, like, an Uno or a llama or Tichu is here.

我认为这确实是款很棒的游戏。

And I think just really a great game.

我给它热情点赞。

I give it an enthusiastic thumbs up.

即便你告诉我你不喜欢T2，我也会试着让你玩一局。

Even you telling me you don't like t two, I would try to make you play one game of it.

我会让你玩一局。

I'd make you play one hand.

我不会强迫你连玩三局，因为这可能不适合你，但我会希望你能试玩一局，看看这种形式是否能改变你的看法。

I wouldn't make you sit through three games because that may not be your thing, but I'd want you to try one hand of it to see if this changes the format enough that you'd like it.

嗯。

Yeah.

不。

No.

听起来挺有趣的。

It sounds it sounds interesting.

我肯定会试试看。

I would definitely give it a try.

好的。

Alright.

我有两件事想聊，然后我们就可以深入讨论你的大活动了，你觉得如何？

So there's two things that I wanna talk about, and then we can dive into your big event if that sounds good.

好的。

Okay.

那么第一件事是工作进展如何？

So number one Works alright?

我们上次参加的是桌游展览会。

The the the last thing that we attended was the board game game show.

说实话，艾米和我去参加是因为想看看他们是怎么做的。

And honestly, Amy and I attended it because we wanted to kinda see how they did it.

我们本想玩一个游戏节目。

We wanted to play a game show.

它看起来很有趣。

It looked like fun.

可惜，那是桌游知识问答。

Unfortunately, it was board game trivia.

那只是个普通的问答之夜，有点让人失望。

It was just a regular kind of trivia night, which was a bit of a disappointment.

问答环节本身还是挺有趣的，没什么问题。

The trivia in and of itself was fun and fine.

所有内容都是桌游主题的。

It was all board game themed.

我得说音乐环节彻底难倒了我们，因为我们不熟悉那些时髦的曲调，真遗憾。

I will say the music round just horked us royally because we just weren't hip to the cool tunes, unfortunately.

不过也就这样吧。

But so be it.

这在常规问答比赛中也时有发生。

That that happens in regular trivia as well.

活动组织得不错。

It was done well.

我忘了主办方是谁了。

I forget who it was that does it.

他们好像有个播客节目，是关于桌游之类的。

They have a they have a podcast, board game, something or another.

而且他们很有趣，也很讨人喜欢。

And they were fun, and they were pleasant.

但就像我说的，我们期待的是游戏节目，结果却是知识问答秀。

But like I said, we were expecting a game show, and it was a trivia show.

所以这有点令人失望，只是因为预期没达到。

So that was, a bit of a disappointment just because expectations weren't met.

有道理。

Fair enough.

我知道，因为我想我们在这里聊过天，天哪，埃里克。

I know because I think we talked on here goodness, Eric.

我们当时有谁来着？

Who did we have?

杰夫？

Jeff?

对。

Yeah.

来自Board Game Geek的Jeff。

Jeff from Board Game Geek.

所以有可能我会尝试在春季过来，让它更有桌游氛围。

So there is a possibility I might try to come to spring and make it more board game y.

这并不是要放弃什么，比如'哦，它会有'，但我们之前讨论过或许应该看看，因为他们在主Board Game Geek提到过有这个。

That is not to drop a thing like, oh, it's gonna have but we had talked about maybe we should see because they had said that at main board game geek, they have this.

但主要障碍在于，我不确定自己能否为桌游爱好者写出足够多优质的桌游极客问题，而这正是我需要帮助的关键点。

But the main hurdle was I was like, I don't know that I can write enough good board game nerd questions for board game nerds, and that that was the crutch I was gonna was gonna need help with that.

明白了。

Gotcha.

而且我

And I

我听说这个节目的内容非常出色。

had heard very much that the content for this show is very good.

我有各种花哨手段让它看起来像个游戏节目，但我现在对Board Game Geek的当前热门前20并不太熟悉。

I have the bells and whistles to make it look and feel like a game show, but my I'm, like, I'm not necessarily up on the board game geek, like, top 20 right now.

我觉得自己每天都在这类事情上落后一点点。

And I feel like every single day I fall just a little bit further away on that sort of stuff.

我完全明白你的意思。

I know exactly what you mean.

比如，在第一组问题中，有个共同点把它们串联起来。

Like, in the first set of questions, there was a a com something that tied them all together.

他们会问不同的问题，而我们能猜出'哦，那是《冷战热斗》'。

And so they would ask different things, and we were able to figure out, oh, that's twilight struggle.

那是《农场主》。

That's Agricola.

最后我发现这些都是BGG曾经排名第一的桌游。

And eventually, I figured out those were all once number one board games on BGG.

那是我最后一次感觉自己还能跟得上节奏。

And that was kind of the last time I felt in control.

有个环节他们会播放电影片段，而片段标题里藏着个游戏名。

There was one where they would show a clip from a movie, and in the title of that clip was a game.

所以你得大概知道，好吧。

And so you would have to kind of know, okay.

比如，《将军》就是其中一个。

Well, this is like, Shogun was one of them.

所以，《将军》是个游戏。

So, like, well, Shogun's a game.

这就是答案。

So that's the answer.

那样也还行。

And that that was okay.

还有些其他题目我们算是碰巧蒙对的。

And then there were some other ones that that we kind of stumbled in.

但我们有两位主动加入团队的成员，我觉得他们扛起了队伍近半的得分——有很多游戏我从未听说过，但他们却能准确答出。

But there are We had two people who offered to join our team, and I think they carried about half of the team for us because there's a lot of games I had never heard of that they had certainly pulled out.

而且

And

天啊。

Oh my goodness.

所以那确实是挺有意思的。

So that was that was kind of a it was interesting.

不过我们聊聊——哦，你先说。

But let's talk oh, go ahead.

关键在于编写那种冷知识时需要有如此深入的了解。

Thing is that's so in-depth when you're trying to write that sort of trivia.

没错。

Right.

能想到这个点子本身就够聪明了。

To be able to think to be able to even think it's such a clever idea.

我要 show movie。

I'm gonna show you the movie still to the movie with the board game title in it.

That is just real good work.

Like, that is just real good work.

让所有人发出呻吟的是那张克里斯托弗·沃肯坐在车后座、手持手枪的照片，明显是年轻时的沃肯。

The one that got groans from everybody was there was still of Christopher Walken in the back of a car with a a pistol, and he it was clearly younger Walken.

所以你就像，我甚至不知道还有什么可说的。

So you're like, I don't even know what else.

结果那部电影的名字叫《东京之王》。

Turns out the name of the movie was king of Tokyo.

哦，不错。

Oh, nice.

哦，干得漂亮。

Oh, well done.

给他点赞。

Give him props for that.

从没听说过那部电影，不过，他们干得漂亮。

Never never heard of that movie, but, well done for them.

确实如此。

Indeed.

那我们快速对比一下供应商房间吧？

So let's do a quick compare contrast on the, vendor rooms, shall we?

好的。

Yeah.

开始吧。

Let's.

那你估计你的供应商房间有多少家供应商？

So then how many vendors do you figure were in your vendor room?

让我想想。

Let's see.

我猜大概有三排，每排可能有十几家，所以最多40家左右。

My guess, probably there were three rows, and you can figure maybe a dozen a row, so probably 40 at most.

明白了。

Okay.

那这里大概每排40家，总共有20排

So there were probably 40 a row here, and there were probably 20 rows

这里。

here.

感觉。

Sense.

我正在试着看看能否估算出有多少家参展商，因为这里有个'查看展馆'功能。

I'm trying to get a look to see if I can figure out how many there were because there's, like, a View Expo Hall.

因为展馆除了整体的分解图外，还有自己的专属地图，简直看不到尽头。

Because the Expo Hall has its own map on top of the exploded map for everything, and just it's never ending.

这种感觉开始变得...埃里克，你参加过大部分大型展会吧？

It is starting to feel and and, Eric, you've done most like, you've done most of the big shows.

是的。

Yep.

我想我都参加过。

I think I've done them all.

好的。

Okay.

所以这里的供应商大厅，我要向没参加过展会的人道歉，因为这种感觉很难用语言描述，就像问‘你去过其他展会吗？’

So then the Vendor Hall here and I'm sorry for anybody that hasn't done the shows because it's just it it feels, you know, like, very for us to explain it this way of, oh, have you been to the other ones?

但对我来说，它感觉比Origins大，但还没达到Gen Con的规模。

But to me, it feels bigger than origins and not quite Gen Con yet.

听起来很合理。

Sounds reasonable.

这就是它的定位。

That's where it fit.

现在实际的场地——因为整个供应商大厅连接着所谓的开放式游戏大厅。

Now the actual room, because it's the entire vendor Hall, is connected to what's kinda called the Open Gaming Hall.

对吧？

Right?

供应商大厅里的人可以在首个开放游戏区购买特定桌子，就像‘嘿，我们是这家公司的’。

So the Vendor Hall and then people in the vendor Hall can buy specific tables in the first open play area where it's like, hey.

我们代表这家公司。

We're with this company.