埃兹拉·弗雷奇：“我来到这个地球，是为了改变我们看待残疾的方式”

而这正是我需要的最后一块拼图，让我能够突破自己，这随着时间、和其他女孩的治愈经历，以及我逐渐成熟而到来，这些因素结合在一起，最终，在《与星共舞》的第一次舞蹈中，镜头第一次扫到我时，我伸出左手对着镜头，我的搭档丹妮就抓住了它。

And this was just that final piece of the puzzle that I needed to push through and came with time, came with healing experiences with other girls, and came with me just maturing a little bit, and the combination of that, and then eventually, now our first dance on "Dancing with the Stars," the first time the camera even pans to me is I point my left hand out to camera, and that's what Dani, my partner, grabs.

那是我们的第一支舞，主要部分。

That's our first dance, the main section of it.

我完全用左手和左腿引领，因为在交谊舞和探戈中，你就是用左侧来引领的。

I was leading entirely with my left hand and my left leg, because in ballroom and in tango, that's what you lead with is that left side.

所以这是一个180度的大转变，但也提醒我，接纳不是在一个特定时刻发生的，它是一个过程，一个演变。

So a full 180, but also a reminder that acceptance doesn't come in one specific moment, and it's a process, it's an evolution.

这是我第一次真正回顾并把这些拼凑起来，但可能是这些因素的结合。

And this is the first time I'm really looking back and piecing it all together, but it was probably a combination of those things.

你知道你实际上必须做更多不舒服的事情。

It's knowing that you actually had to do more uncomfortable things.

就像你经历这种不适，而实际上唯一能治愈你这种感觉的方法，就是更深入地进入那种不适。

It was like you go through this discomfort, and actually the only thing that could heal your feeling of it was to go into that discomfort even more.

更深入。

Even more.

更进一步，这在你已经承受那么多压力和恐惧的时候真的很难做到。

Even more, which is so hard to do when you're already dealing with that much stress, fear.

这是你最不想做的事情。

It's the last thing you want to do.

这是你最不想做的事情。

It's the last thing you want to do.

没错。

Exactly.

说得好。

Well said.

这是你最不想做的事情。

It's the last thing you want to do.

但你说这正是有效的方法。

But you're saying that's the thing that worked.

Ezra，对你来说，尽管你爸妈为你做了那么多，我读到你的第一句话并不是“妈妈”或“爸爸”。

Ezra, for you, despite everything your mom and dad did for you, I read that Mom and Dad were not your first words.

是球。

It was ball.

所以我就想，你一直在跟——

So I was like, you've been talking to the-

对，我很爱我的父母。

Yeah, I love my parents

不是吗？

... weren't they?

但我的第一个词是球。

but my first word was ball.

对，没错。

Yeah, exactly.

我读到这个的时候，简直笑翻了。

I was like, when I read that, I was cracking up.

尤其是现在，我看到你有多爱你的父母，他们有多棒，这很明显。

I was like, especially now where I see how much you love your parents and how amazing they are, obviously.

但爸妈没排上号，第一个词是球。

But Mom and Dad didn't make it, it was ball.

在开始录音之前，你跟我说了一些让我特别有共鸣的话，你说当一个人残疾或者有肢体缺陷的时候，运动往往是他们最后才会想到的事情，或者最后才可能成为他们生活的一部分。

You said something to me that really resonated before we started recording, and you were saying that actually when someone gets a disability or has a limb deficiency, sport is the last thing that they're trained to think about or that becomes a possibility for them.

那运动是怎么成为你生活中这么重要的一部分的？

How did sports become such a big part of your life?

那么小的时候。

that young.

社会几乎在告诉你，如果你有身体残疾，运动就不适合你。

Society almost tells you if you have a physical disability, sports is not for you.

没有为休闲运动设立的系统，甚至高中体育、大学体育，也没有达到普通初中生或高中生随便就能参加的那种水平。

There's no systems set up for recreational sport, even high school sport, collegiate sport, at the same level anywhere near what it is for the average middle schooler or high schooler that can just go.

如果你坐轮椅，你不能直接去基督教青年会，然后加入一场轮椅篮球比赛。

If you're in a wheelchair, you can't just roll up to the YMCA and jump in a wheelchair basketball game.

你需要专门的轮椅，专门的比赛设置。

You need specific chair, specific game set up.

对于这个群体来说，参与运动有很多门槛。

There's all these barriers to entry for the community to participate in sport.

说实话，不是要怪我爸妈，但就是他们教育我的方式。

And honestly, not to go back on my parents, but it was the way my parents raised me.

他们从来没有给我设限，而且我天生就真的热爱运动。

There was never any limitations, and naturally, literally, I just loved sport.

我小时候就特别喜欢篮球。

I loved basketball as a young kid.

我学会的第一个词就是“球”。

My first word was ball.

我是湖人队的铁杆粉丝。

I was a diehard Lakers fan.

每场比赛我都看。

I watched every single game.

我甚至先学会数偶数，再学会数奇数——因为湖人队的比赛我看了太多遍。

I actually even learned to count by twos before I learned how to count by ones- ... because I watched so many Laker games over and over.

所以我的灵魂深处觉得自己和体育有某种联系，但不幸的是，如果另一个孩子残疾程度比我更严重，他们就没法像我那样直接加入朋友们的运动。

And so something in my soul felt like I connected to sport, and the unfortunate thing is, if there was another child who had maybe a more severe disability than myself, they wouldn't be able to just jump in and play sports with their friends the way I was.

因为我是截肢者，残疾程度没那么严重，所以我才能和朋友一起玩。

It was because I was an amputee and the disability isn't as severe, I was able to play with my friends.

而且，即使是那些被接纳的残疾人，仍然面临巨大的歧视。

And also, even the ones that do integrate still face massive discrimination.

当我们谈论残疾时，这其实占了人口中相当大的比例。

And when we talk about disability, it is such a large percentage of the population.

我觉得人们真的不太理解这一点。

I don't even think people really understand.

全球有15%的人口患有身体残疾。

This is 15% of the world population that lives with a physical disability.

这相当于5000万美国人。

That's 50 million Americans.

全球有10亿人。

That's a billion people globally.

顺便说一下，认知障碍和智力障碍大概占2%到3%，而身体残疾占15%。

And for context, cognitive disability, intellectual impairment is about 2% to 3%, and physical disability is 15%.

有些报告甚至说高达20%。

Some reports have it up at 20%.

这是一个非常大的少数群体，但基本的体育运动机会在哪里呢？

It's such a large minority group, but then where is the access to basic sport?

而且大多数残疾人士其实是后天获得残疾的。

And most people with disabilities actually acquire their disability.

只有一小部分人像我一样天生残疾。

A small percentage are born with a disability like myself.

大多数人是因为疾病，比如癌症、糖尿病、中风、事故、车祸、船难等等才变成残疾的。

Most people acquire it through diseases, cancer, diabetes, stroke, accidents, car, boating accidents, whatever it might be.

残疾真的不分人。

Disability really doesn't discriminate.

它不在乎你年轻还是年老，白人还是黑人。

It doesn't care if you're young, old, White, Black.

残疾不分贫富。

Disability doesn't care if you're rich.

不管你是穷是富，它都一样。

It doesn't care if you're poor.

这是一个任何人都可能随时加入的少数群体。

It is the minority group that anyone could be a part of it at any time.

所以想想就觉得不可思议，如果一个人得了残疾，现实是他们觉得自己过上积极健康的生活方式已经没戏了，但这离真相差得太远了。

And so it's crazy to think that if someone acquires a disability, the reality is they think their ability to live an active, healthy lifestyle is over, and that is so far from the truth.

当你意识到这一点时，总是会感到很不自在，除非你有一个残疾的朋友或家人，否则你真的不会理解——

It's always so uncomfortable when you realize just how, unless you've had a friend with a disability or a family member, you don't actually understand-

确实不会。

You don't

……有多少缺乏无障碍设施的地方，或者社会对某个群体施加了什么样的心态或期望，或者当你刚才一口气说出那些统计数据时。

... how much there is lack of access or what kind of mindsets or aspiration society places on a community, or when you just reeled off those statistics.

我甚至都不知道这些。

I don't think I even knew this.

我这么说感觉很糟糕，觉得自己很没见识，但这恰恰说明我们多么需要这些对话，需要去谈论这些事情。

And I feel terrible saying that, I feel so uneducated saying that, but it just shows how much of a need there is for us to have these conversations and for us to talk about these things.

完全同意，这就是为什么代表性如此重要，因为不是每个人都有亲近的家人有残疾，能够理解他们的经历。

Absolutely, and that's why representation is so important, because not everyone is going to have a close family member that has a disability that they're able to understand their experiences.

但从宏观层面来看，怎么改变社会呢？

But on a macro level, how do you change society?

改变社会要靠触动文化，而体育中有一些时刻，体育可以成为催化剂，成为超越自身、触动文化、改变我们对某些事物看法的东西。

You change society by touching culture, and there's moments in sport where sport can be that catalyst, can be the thing that transcends, touches culture, changes the way we think about something.

比如比利·简·金击败博比·里格斯，改变了世界对女子网球的看法。

Like Billie Jean King beating Bobby Riggs, changing the way the world views women's tennis.

纳尔逊·曼德拉利用橄榄球团结了一个国家。

Nelson Mandela using rugby to unify a country.

杰基·罗宾森进入美国职业棒球大联盟。

Jackie Robinson playing in the MLB.

有些时刻，体育超越了它所处的运动本身，改变了我们对某些事物的看法。

There's moments in time where sport transcends the movement it resides in and changes the way we think about something.

所以我觉得我们在2028年也有类似的机会，当残奥会来到洛杉矶时，这是我们通过体育改变美国和世界对残疾看法的一个机会。

And so that's why I think we have that similar opportunity in 2028 when the Paralympics come to Los Angeles as our chance to change the way America and the world views disability through sport.

但即使从代表性的角度来看，能参加像《与星共舞》这样的节目也是一生的荣幸，全国各地的残疾儿童和残疾人士可以打开电视，看到像他们一样的人。

But even from a representation standpoint, it is the honor of a lifetime to be on a show like "Dancing with the Stars," where kids with disabilities, people with disabilities all over the country can turn on the TV screen and see somebody like themselves.

这太有力量了。

That's so powerful.

我小时候，主流媒体里没有多少身体残疾的人能让我仰望并受到鼓舞。

There was not that many people in the mainstream media with a physical disability when I was a young kid that I could look to and be inspired by.

有几位，而且他们确实上过《与星共舞》。

There was a few, and they were actually on "Dancing With the Stars."

《与星共舞》在残疾代表性方面有着悠久的历史，能够延续这一传统，我非常感激。

"Dancing with the Stars" has a great history of disability representation, which is so grateful to be able to continue that.

但这非常重要。

But that's so important.

我想成为下一代的那个人，想成为让残疾人知道电视屏幕上有像我这样的人的那个人。

I want to be that person for the next generation, want to be that person for people with disabilities to know that there's somebody like me on the TV screen.

因为对于其他每一个少数群体来说，代表性都非常重要。

Because representation is so powerful for every other minority group.

残障领域是最后的前沿。

Disability is the last frontier.

它一直落后，我不知道为什么，但我的使命就是加速这一进程。

It's lagged behind, and I don't know why, but it's my mission to accelerate that.

我很期待看到你接下来在体育、娱乐、倡导方面会取得什么成就——

I'm so excited to see what you go on to do from this standpoint, from sports, entertainment, being an advocate-

谢谢你，兄弟。

Thank you, brother

……在这个领域。

... for this space.

不过，你觉得这是为什么呢？

Why do you think it is, though?

你这么一说，残障领域是最后的前沿，而且这个群体如此庞大，却一直没有得到这样的代表性。

When you put it that way, that it's the last frontier, it's such a large minority, and it's not had that representation.

你觉得这是为什么呢？

What do you think that is?

到底是怎么回事？

What's happening?

说实话，我觉得是因为人们害怕面对它。

Honestly, I think it's because people are afraid of it.

残疾是个禁忌话题。

Disability is taboo.

人们不知道该说什么。

People don't know what to say.

他们不想说错话。

They don't want to say the wrong thing.

结果就干脆什么都不说，这样反而更糟糕。

They end up not saying anything at all, and that is so counterproductive.

我们需要这样的对话。

We need the conversation.

我们需要人们带着善意去接触这个问题。

We need people to approach it with good intentions.

也许他们的用词有5%的偏差，但如果他们带着善意去接触，并且我们能够引发对话，那非常重要。

Maybe they get the language 5% off, but if they're approaching it with good intentions and we're sparking conversation, that's so important.

而且不知为何，残疾被视为一件非常负面的事情。

And for some reason, disability is seen as this super negative thing.

世界各地都有地方把残疾人视为被诅咒的人。

There's places all over the world where people with disabilities are seen as cursed.

他们被视为低人一等。

They're seen as less than.

他们被遗弃在街头乞讨。

They're left to be beggars in the streets.

当然，美国的情况不一样，但残疾人仍然更容易受到欺凌，身体活动更少，就业机会更少，抑郁率也更高。

Of course, it's not the same way in America, but still, people with disabilities are bullied in higher rates, less physically active, less job opportunities, depressed in higher rates.

这是人口中的一部分。

This is a percentage of the population.

感觉几乎没有被社会真正接纳。

It doesn't feel properly included in society almost.

那我们要怎么在宏观层面改变这一点呢？

And so how do we change that at a macro level?

我不知道，但代表性、残奥会的发展、看到残障人士做出成就，都会改变你对残障的看法。

I don't know, but representation, growth of the Paralympics, seeing people with disabilities do things changes the way you perceive disability.

但我经常和残障孩子聊天。

But I talk to kids with disabilities all the time.

他们在学校都受过欺负。

They're all bullied in school.

不应该这样的。

It should not be that way.

我正想说，如果大家想看点什么，只要看看你的跳高视频就行了。

I was about to say, if anyone wants to see anything, you just got to watch one of your high jump videos.

然后你马上就会觉得，对，就是这样。

And all of a sudden you're like, yeah.

不过我很感激，而且这就是社交媒体，当然它可能很肤浅，但我觉得社交媒体以及我们追求或争取的任何东西，每一个点赞、每一次观看、每一条评论，都代表着某个人对残疾的看法有希望——

But I appreciate that, and that's the thing is social media, it can be superficial of course, but the way I think of social media and anything that we pursue or go after is every like, every view, every comment, that's someone where disability is hopefully-

……在他们眼中稍微更正常一些。

... slightly more normalized in their eyes.

如果你在足够大的范围内做得足够多，那就是真正的改变。

And if you do that enough on a large enough scale, that's real change.

我想问你两件事，因为我真的很想接下来聊聊残奥会，还有更多关于《与星共舞》的内容，但我想问你的就是这两件事。

I was going to ask you two things, because I really want to get into the Paralympics in a moment and more on "Dancing with the Stars," but two things that I wanted to ask you about there.

你说你是湖人队的超级粉丝，我听说你是加索尔的忠实粉丝，而且我想你甚至在你还小的时候就见过他——

You said you were a huge Lakers fan, and I heard that you're a big Gasol fan, and I think you even met him when you were-

是的，保罗

Yeah, Pau

……很小的时候。

... really young.

保罗·加索尔。

Pau Gasol.

是在《早安美国》上吗？

On "Good Morning America," was it?

我哥哥。

My brother.

我从小就是湖人队的铁杆球迷，就像你说的。四岁的时候，《早安美国》给我做了一期节目，因为我小时候会去学校演讲，讲关于残疾的事情。他们给了我一个惊喜，送了我湖人队比赛的票，然后又在后台给了我一个惊喜。

I was a diehard Lakers fan growing up, like you said, and at four years old, "Good Morning America" did this segment on me because I would talk to schools and talk about disability when I was a young kid, and they surprised me with tickets to a Laker game and then surprised me backstage.

我见到了保罗，他是我的英雄，我的偶像。

I got to meet Pau, who's my hero, my idol.

我以前总是让我妈妈给我画一个像睫毛膏一样的胡子，这样我就能去上幼儿园了，因为我太喜欢保罗了。

I used to make my mom draw a mascara beard- ... so I could go to preschool because I loved Pau that much.

而且他当时正处于职业生涯的巅峰。

And he was at the height of his career.

他刚拿了两个冠军。

He just won two championships.

他见到了这个喜欢他的四岁残疾小孩，我们变得非常亲近。

And he met this four-year-old kid with a disability who loved him, and we became so close.

我们会一起吃饭，互相去对方家里做客。

We would have dinner together, go over to each other's houses.

他会来我家，和我奶奶、爷爷、兄弟们一起玩。

He'd come over to my house, hang out with my grandma, my grandpa, my brothers.

他对我来说就像导师，像大哥哥一样。

He became like a mentor, older brother figure for me.

哇。

Wow.

世界上最好的篮球运动员之一，和一个四岁的残疾小孩，我们变得那么亲近。

One of the best basketball players in the world and a four-year-old kid with a disability, and we became so close.

他真的很照顾我，后来当我的运动生涯开始起飞时，他仍然是我至今都很亲近的人，我会去找他寻求建议。

He literally took me under his wing, and then eventually when my career started taking off athletically, he is somebody I am still close to this day, I go to for advice.

他已经做到了。

He's done it.

他创造了美好的生活，在体育、事业和影响力方面都取得了成就，我希望也能做到这样。

He's created a beautiful life of sport and career and impact that I hope to emulate.

所以他对我来说一直是大哥，但我们其实是《早安美国》节目给我惊喜，让我见到偶像时认识的。

So he is always big bro to me, but we met literally, "Good Morning America" surprising me, getting to meet my idol.

太不可思议了。

That's incredible.

这些年你从他身上学到了什么？

What have you learned from him over the years?

或者说，他这些年教给你的哪一点最突出，最让你有共鸣？

Or what's the one thing that he's taught you over the years that stands out, that's really resonated with you?

他就是正确利用自己平台的最佳典范。

He is the perfect example of using your platform in the right way.

他通过体育真正创造了影响力。

He uses the sport to create real impact.

像他那样级别的运动员，很少有人能像保罗一样，创造出这样充满影响力和意义的人生。

There aren't that many athletes at that level that have created such a life of impact and purpose like Pau.

当然，我的领域不同，是关注残障群体的，但他处理商业的方式、对待事业的方式、规划影响力的方式，都那么深思熟虑，而且和他本人非常契合。我希望自己也能拥有那样的能量，希望真的能拥有类似的事业，并且效仿他创造积极影响的方式。

Of course, mine is in a different lane for the disabled community, but the way that he approaches business, the way that he approaches his career, the way that he approaches his impact strategy is so thoughtful and so aligned with him, that I hope to embody that energy and hopefully literally have a similar type of career in that sense and emulate the way he's been able to create such a positive impact.

保罗·加索尔对整个社会有着巨大的正面影响，这跟他的篮球生涯无关，纯粹作为一个人来说，这非常特别。

Pau Gasol has a massive net impact on society as a whole, separate from his basketball career, just as a human being, and that's very special.

以斯拉，有没有你崇拜的运动员主动联系过你？

Ezra, have there been any athletes that you look up to that have ever reached out to you?

嗯，其中一位我觉得是你的朋友，诺瓦克·德约科维奇，实际上。

Well, one of them who's a friend of yours, I think, Novak Djokovic, actually.

我们互相发过几次消息。

We've exchanged messages a few times.

我们是在一个活动上认识的，他是个非常棒的人。

We met at an event, and he is a fantastic human being.

去年我失去了世界冠军头衔，当时真的很沮丧，那对我来说是个艰难的时刻，就像你在体育中会遇到的那样。

And I lost my world title last year, and I was really bummed, and it was sort of a difficult moment for me as you have in sport.

他给我发了一条非常暖心的消息，说实话，这让我感觉好多了，让我看开了很多，也让我想起了他整个职业生涯中经历过的种种，以及他是怎样一个人，怎样的运动员，怎样一个目标明确的人。

And he sent a really sweet message to me, and it honestly made me feel a lot better and put things in perspective and just reminded me of all of the stuff that he's had to go through throughout his career and the type of human being and athlete and purpose-driven individual that he is.

我也梦想着在很多方面以他为榜样，就从这个角度来说。

I dream of modeling my career after him as well in many ways, just from that standpoint.

所以有时候当你处于低谷时，听到来自你尊敬、仰慕、像他那样钦佩的人的声音，会让你清醒过来，把你从那种状态中拉出来，可以说是这样。

So sometimes when you're in those low moments, hearing from someone that you respect and look up to, that you admire so much like him, it wakes you up, snaps you out of your spell, you could say.

他对我做的就是这些。

So that's what he did for me.

他说了什么特别触动你的话吗？

Was there anything that he said specifically that resonated?

大概就是类似“抬起头来，冠军。”

It was just something along the lines of, "Keep your head up, champ.

这些事情总会发生。

These things happen.

人生总有起起落落。

There's always highs and lows.

我知道你会比以前更强大地反弹回来。

I know you'll bounce back stronger than ever.

你是个了不起的……”差不多就是这样，我当时就想，“天哪。”

You're an amazing..." Well, it was one of those, and I was just like, "Man."

那时候听到那些话真的很有意义。

That's really meaningful at that time.

我当时就想，如果德约科维奇都这么看我，那我也可以这么看自己。

I was like, if Novak thinks that, I can think that of myself.

有时候别人的信心，尤其是像他那样的人，能让你重新认识自己，给你动力，对我来说就是这样。

Sometimes other people's confidence, especially someone like him, can remind you who you are and give you that fuel, and that's what it did for me.

你觉得有没有什么原因——因为我想你的打法和各方面应该都差不多。

Was there a reason you think your-- Because I imagine your approach and everything was similar.

你觉得去年丢掉世界冠军头衔，有什么原因吗？

Was there a reason why you think you lost your world title last year?

我们其实在Peacock上发布了一部纪录片。

We released a documentary, actually, on Peacock.

名字叫《适应》。

It's called "Adaptive."

一共三集，每集45分钟，现在还在平台上。

It was three episodes, 45 minutes, still on the platform.

所以如果有人想真正了解我，可以去看那个纪录片。

So if anyone wants to know me really well, you can watch that.

但我们在世锦赛前发布了它，我不得不参加一系列新闻发布会，所以训练变得不太规律。

But we released that right before the world championships, and I had to go on a whole press tour, so training was a little bit more inconsistent.

当然，能发布一部纪录片是一生一次的机会。

And of course, that's a once in a lifetime opportunity to get to release a documentary.

我必须抓住它，但在这个过程中我受伤了，因为我无法像平时那样恢复和休息。

I had to go for it, and I ended up getting injured throughout that process because I wasn't able to have that same type of recovery and rest that I usually have.

所以我伤了背，世锦赛前一个月都无法在赛道上训练。我有机会退出，我考虑过，然后对自己说：“我可以去那里，有可能输，或者我可以因为受伤而退出。”

So I hurt my back, and I wasn't able to train on the track a month leading into the world championships, and I had the opportunity to pull out And I thought about it and I said, "I could go there and there's a chance I lose, or I could pull out just because I'm injured."

但我内心真正的竞争者说：“我永远不会退缩。”

And the real competitor in me was like, "I will never back down.

即使只有1%的机会能赢，我也要去拼一把。”

If there's even a 1% chance that I can go out there and win, I'm going to go for it."

结果，事情果然没有按我的计划发展。

And so sure enough, didn't go my way.

我拿了银牌，输给了我最大的竞争对手之一，但我一点都不后悔。

I got silver and lost to one of my biggest competitors, but still don't regret it whatsoever.

在我的职业生涯里，能参加世界锦标赛的机会并不多。

I get not that many opportunities throughout my career to compete at a world championships.

不管我是不是受伤了，不管我有多疼，我都会上场，全力以赴，最后我带着银牌回来了。

Doesn't matter if I'm injured, doesn't matter if I'm in crazy pain, I'm going to go out there, I'm going to give it my all, and I walked away with the silver medal.

虽然很遗憾，但我为自己的拼搏感到骄傲。

It sucks, but I was proud of the way I fought.

听你说话，感觉你特别自信。

When I hear you speak, you're so confident.

谢谢。

Thank you.

我想问你，你是怎么定义自信的？

I wanted to ask you, how do you define confidence?

我觉得自信就是你和自己的关系。

I define confidence as a relationship with yourself.

它有时会来有时会走，但本质上，它是我和自己的关系。

It comes and goes at times, but at the core of it, it's my relationship with myself.

如果我说了什么，我说的话，我必须遵守。

If I say something, my word, I must stick to it.

如果我说我要在这个时间睡觉，我就会在那个时间睡。

And if I say I'm going to sleep at this time, I sleep at that time.

如果我说我要做某件事，我就会去做。

If I say I'm going to do something, I do it.

我非常重视言语的力量。

I really value the power of the spoken word.

我有一个好朋友告诉我，言语就像咒语。

I had a dear friend of mine tell me that words are spells.

这话再真实不过了，因为你说的话会体现在你的身体上，体现在你的思想上。

That couldn't be more true, as in what you say manifests in your body, manifests in your mind.

所以，你和你自己的关系是你一生中最重要的关系。

And so the relationship you have with yourself is the most important relationship you'll ever have.

我尽量对自己说积极的话，保持积极的意图，但当我承诺某件事、相信某件事时，我也会坚持到底。

I do my absolute best to speak to myself positively, keep positive intentions, but then also when I say something, when I believe something, commit to it.

所以，比如我说“在2028年洛杉矶残奥会之前我不吃糖”，那就意味着我连一口非无糖的蛋糕都不会吃。

And so if I say, for example, "I'm not eating sugar until after the Los Angeles 2028 Paralympics," that means I won't have even one bite of cake that's not sugar-free.

这意味着如果我说在那之前不喝酒，那我就一滴都不会沾。

That means if I say I'm not going to have any alcohol until after the, that means I won't have anything.

因为我知道，一杯啤酒或一口蛋糕在身体上其实不会造成多大影响，但这关乎我的自信。

Because I know one beer, I know that one bite of cake isn't actually making that big of a difference physically, but it's actually for my confidence.

这其实是我与自己的关系。

It's actually my relationship with myself.

我希望能够对自己做出承诺，并信守承诺。

I want to be able to tell myself something and commit to it.

如果你长期这样做，你就是在向自己证明，你就是你所说的那个人。

And you do that over a long enough period of time, you're proving to yourself that you are who you say you are.

而且不一定非得是这么大的事情。

And it doesn't have to be big things like that.

这些都是小事。

These are little things.

我打算午饭后去锻炼。

I'm going to work out after lunch.

如果你午饭后没去锻炼，那下次你说这话的时候，你的大脑都不会相信你自己。

If you don't work out after lunch, then the next time you say that, your brain's not even believing yourself.

所以你就这样不断积累这些小胜利，小胜利，最终你会把自己塑造成那种说到做到的人。

And so you continue to stack these little wins and little wins, and eventually you build yourself into the type of person that when I say something, I do that thing.

如果我不打算做，我就不会说。

And if I'm not going to do it, I don't say it.

你真的在做到你刚才说的那些事吗？

Are you actually doing those things that you just said?

是的，我确实在做到那些事。

Yeah, I am doing those things.

哇。

Wow.

所以不吃糖也不喝酒——

So no sugar or alcohol-

对

Correct

……直到2028年洛杉矶残奥会之后。

... until after the 2028 Paralympics in LA.

通常我在田径赛季期间不吃糖，赛季结束后就狂吃。

So usually I would do no sugar during the track season, and then after season I would eat like crazy.

上届残奥会之后，我就说我要超越自己。

And after the last Paralympics, I said I have to one-up myself.

我得做点更了不起的事。

I have to do something even greater.

我的家乡要办残奥会了。

I have a hometown Paralympics coming.

我就想，好吧，接下来四年都不吃添加糖。

I was like, all right, no added sugar for the next four years.

我会吃天然糖分，比如水果、蜂蜜之类的。

I'll have natural sugars, fruit and honey and stuff.

对，当然。

Yeah, of course.

但我不碰垃圾食品、蛋糕、还有那些加了糖的糖果。

But I won't have any junk food, any cake, any candies that have added sugar.

我知道这没什么区别。

And I know it doesn't make a difference.

如果我吃一块糖，我奶奶总是说：“就吃一口蛋糕，求你了。”

If I have one piece of candy, my grandma's always like, "One bite of the cake, please."

我就说：“奶奶，你知道我的。

I'm like, "Mimi, you know me.

我不能吃。”

I can't."

如果我吃一块，第二块就更容易吃了。

If I have one, it makes a second one easier.

我已经打破了和自己的那种关系。

I've broken that relationship with myself.

当然，每个人都不一样。

And granted, everybody's different.

不是每个人的自信都应该来自四年不吃糖，而是应该来自你对自己做出的承诺，并且确保你坚持到底。

Not everyone's confidence should come from them not eating sugar for four years, but rather that confidence should come from what you commit to yourself and making sure you follow through on that.

因为一旦你这样做得够多，下次你说什么的时候，你就知道自己一定会做到。

Because once you do that enough, then the next time you say something, you know you're going to do it.

这很强大。

And that's powerful.

对，你学会了信任自己。

Yeah, you learn to trust yourself.

你学会了信任自己，绝对是这样。

You learn to trust yourself, absolutely.

你现在让我感觉特别不好，因为我每周有六天不吃精制糖。

You're making me feel really bad now because I do six days of no refined sugar a week.

好的。

Okay.

但我每周有一天会吃。

But I eat on one day a week.

如果你坚持四年，我就像——

If you do it four years, I'm like-

但问题是这样的。

But here's the thing.

有些人需要适度放纵。

Some people need that in moderation.

谢谢你让我感觉好多了。

Thanks for making me feel better then.

不，但这是真的。

No, it's true though.

这是真的。

It's true.

每个人的体质都不一样。

Everyone's wired differently.

有些人确实需要那样。

Some people need that.

而且说实话，如果你的职业直接取决于你不吃糖，你也会做出那个牺牲的。

And granted, if your career was directly dependent on you not eating sugar, you would make that sacrifice.

作为运动员，我的职业生涯部分依赖于健康和体能，所以我不吃糖会影响我的职业生涯。

As an athlete, my career is partially dependent on health and fitness, and so me not eating sugar impacts my career.

如果换成你，我保证你也会一样。

If it was the same for you, I guarantee you'd be in the same boat.

你也会说，'好吧，一点糖都不吃。'

You'd be like, "All right, no sugar at all."

不过我很喜欢你的心态。

I love your mindset though.

听你说话的时候，感觉就像你想象的那样。

When I hear you speak, and it's what you'd expect.

你有这种顶级运动员的心态。

You have this elite athlete mindset.

我想让你跟我聊聊这种心态，以及你是如何建立起对自己的信任和对这项运动的投入的。

I want you to speak to me about that mindset and what it's taken to build that trust in yourself and that commitment to your craft.

因为你确实有。

Because you have it.

你才21岁。

You're 21 years old.

你已经取得了这么多成就。

You've already achieved so much.

但即使只是站在你面前，我都能感受到。

But I can feel it, even just being in front of you.

谢谢。

Thank you.

你总能分辨出自己面前是不是一位顶级运动员。

You can always tell when you're in front of an elite athlete.

这是一种不同的能量。

It's a different energy.

我有幸和很多这样的人坐在一起，当你面对他们时，你能感觉到这完全是另一回事。

I've had the fortune of sitting with so many, and when you're in the presence of one, you can tell it's a different ballgame.

这是一种很奇妙的体验。

It's a fascinating thing to experience.

跟我说说你是怎么建立起这种心态的，因为你不仅需要建立这种心态，你还得从一个更艰难的起点开始，然后在此基础上再建立起这种心态。

Talk to me about how have you built that mindset, because you've not only had to build the mindset, you've had to build from a more difficult starting point and then build that mindset on top of it.

我觉得这是好几件事结合的结果。

I think it's a combination of a couple things.

我觉得我的残疾一直让我心里憋着一股劲儿。

I think my disability has always given me a chip on my shoulder.

我总是被人质疑。

I was always doubted.

无论走到哪里，我总是被人低估，这让我更想证明别人是错的。

I was always underestimated everywhere I went, and that fueled me to want to prove people wrong.

所以从小到大，我们打篮球比赛的时候，对方教练会说：“好，大家注意了。”

So growing up, we would be playing basketball games, and the coach of the other team would be like, "All right, guys.

“对这个孩子手下留情点。”比赛前五分钟都是这样。

Take it easy on this kid," for the first five minutes of the game.

然后等我投进好几个球之后，他又会说：“哦，不。现在开始防守。”

And then after I've scored a bunch of baskets, he's like, "Oh, no. Play defense now."

体育场上一直就是这样。

And that's just how it's always been in sport.

这总是激励着我。

That always motivated me.

质疑让我更有动力。

Doubt fueled me.

同样，我这个人很容易上瘾。

And then in the same way, I have a very addictive personality.

我的想法非常非黑即白。

I'm very black and white.

我要么百分之百投入，要么干脆不做。

I do things 100%, or I don't do them at all.

我觉得我找到了自己的使命和召唤，那就是我觉得我来到这个世界上就是要改变人们对残疾的看法，让残疾正常化，而田径就是其中的一部分，我想利用残奥会来实现这个更大的愿景。

I feel like I've found my purpose, my calling, which is I feel like I was put on this earth to change the way we see disability, to normalize disability, and track and field is a part of that, and wanting to use the Paralympics to accomplish that larger vision.

所以我感到有强大的支撑，和我来到这个世界上要做的事情有深深的连接，再加上对这项运动的热爱、心里的那股不服输的劲儿、还有那种上瘾的性格，我就全力以赴了。

And so I feel this deep backing, this deep connectivity to what I was put on this earth to do, and you couple that with a love for the sport, a chip on your shoulder, an addictive personality, and I'm all in.

我吃饭、睡觉、呼吸都离不开这个。

And I eat, sleep, and breathe this.

我整天都在想这件事。

I spend all day thinking about it.

我梦想有一天能成为史上最伟大的残奥运动员之一。

I dream one day of going down as one of the greatest Paralympians of all time.

这就是我的目标。

That's my goal.

我尽可能从那些传奇人物身上学习，比如科比·布莱恩特、德约科维奇、保罗·加索尔、迈克尔·乔丹、迈克尔·菲尔普斯。

I learn as much as I can from the GOATs, from the Kobe Bryants, from the Djokovics, from the Pau Gasols, from the Michael Jordans, the Michael Phelps.

我想尽可能多地吸收这些，然后用自己的方式去运用。

I want to take as much of that as possible, apply it in my own way.

但那种全身心投入的心态，其实一直就是我的风格。

But that mentality of just being all in, it's kind of the way I've always been.

比如，我11岁的时候，当时在玩好几种不同的运动，有一天我坐在客厅沙发上，看2016年里约残奥会。

For example, when I was 11 years old, I was playing a bunch of different sports at the time, and I was on my living room couch, and I was watching the Rio 2016 Paralympics.

那一刻，我感觉就像宇宙在告诉我：这就是你的使命。

And I had this moment where it was like the universe was telling me, "This is your calling."

我再次看着残奥会，感受到了榜样的力量，我觉得这就是我这辈子要做的事。

I was watching the Paralympics, once again, the power of representation, and I felt this is what I'm meant to do with my life.

我要成为一名残奥运动员。

I'm going to be a Paralympian.

我放弃了其他所有运动。

I dropped all my other sports.

我告诉所有家人和朋友：我要参加东京残奥会，那时候我才11岁。

I told all my family and friends, "I'm going to make the Tokyo Paralympics," and I was 11.

四年之内我能参加奥运会的几率非常低。

The odds that in four years I go make the games are remarkably low.

我当时连排名都没有。

I was unranked.

我甚至没有教练，但我们围绕自己组建了一个很棒的团队。

I didn't even have a coach, but we built a great team around myself.

为了达成目标，我牺牲了一切，我的田径生涯就这样开始了。

I sacrificed absolutely everything to make it happen, and there began my track and field career.

所以我的心态一直是，我可能不是最有天赋的，也不是最有才华的，但我一定会比每一个对手付出更多，更加努力。

And so my mentality is always, I might not be the most genetically gifted, I might not be the most talented, but I will out-sacrifice and outwork every single one of my competitors.

这一直是我的心态。

And that's always been my mentality.

这大概源于我小时候那种不服输的劲头，还有那种上瘾的性格。

Probably stems from that chip on my shoulder as a young kid, from that addictive personality.

但真正让我每天早上起床、放弃糖分、放弃酒精、不惜一切代价去实现目标的，是那个有使命感的信念。

But really, it's that purpose-backed mission that gives me the fuel to get up every morning, to sacrifice the sugar, to sacrifice the alcohol, to do whatever it takes to accomplish my goal.

跟我聊聊那个11岁的你，看着残奥会的时候——

Talk to me about that 11-year-old you watching the Paralympics-

……做出那个决定，“我要晋级”，到后来真的晋级了你的第一届残奥会。

... making that decision, "I'm going to qualify," to qualifying for your first Paralympics.

带我了解一下你的训练——

Walk me through the training-

……那需要付出什么，然后晋级你人生第一届残奥会的感觉是什么样的。

... what that required, and then what that feeling was like to qualify for your first-ever Paralympics.

我觉得我在跳高上大概需要提高两英尺左右。

I think I had to improve two feet or something in the high jump.

我粗略算了一下。

I calculated roughly.

那挺多的，对吧？

And that's a lot, right?

确实挺多的。

That's a lot.

那确实挺多的。

That's a lot, yeah.

两英尺确实不少。

Two feet is a lot.

我算了一下，如果我想有机会，大概需要提高那么多。

I calculated I needed to roughly improve that much if I wanted even a chance.

我当时就想，'我一定要做到。'

And I was like, "I'm going to do it."

而且这件事我记得特别清楚。

And I actually remember this.

我看着我妈，跟她说，'妈，你觉得我能做到吗？'

I looked at my mom, and I was like, "Mom, do you think I can do this?"

她站在门口，看着我说，'那当然能。'

And she was in the doorway, and she looked at me, she was like, "Hell yeah."

然后我就想，'我能做到。'

And I was like, "I can do this."

果然，我们找到了一个很棒的教练。

And then sure enough, we found a great coach.

我们开始组建团队。

We started to piece together a team.

甚至在找到教练之前，我就整天看YouTube视频，在后院跑步、跳来跳去。

Even before we found a coach, I was watching YouTube videos all day, running, jumping in the backyard.

我把我弟弟的——他们有个那种水桌——

I was setting up my brother's, they had these water tables.

我会在后院把水桌叠起来，然后跳过去。

I would stack water tables in the backyard, jump over them.

我早上六点就起床，在上学前做那些我真的是从YouTube上看来的训练。

I'm getting up at 6:00 a.m. before school and doing workouts that I literally watched on YouTube.

我甚至不知道自己在做什么，但就是出去练。

I didn't even know what I was doing, but I'm going out there and just training.

我求我爸妈每天放学后带我去田径场训练。

I begged my parents to take me to the track every day after school, training.

我当时简直疯了。

I just went crazy.

我全身心投入了。

It was all in.

然后，经过几个月疯狂的训练，我开始组建团队，找到了一位很棒的教练，把各个部分拼凑起来了。

And then eventually, after a few months of just chaos training, I started to piece together a team, and I had a great coach, and put the puzzle pieces together.

然后在2019年，也就是三年后，我有五场比赛要达到国家队标准，这个标准能让我有资格参加青少年世界锦标赛、泛美残疾人运动会和世界锦标赛。

And then in 2019, which was three years later, I had five track meets to hit the national team standard, and that standard was going to qualify me for Junior World Championships, the Parapan Am Games, and World Championships.

那是我获得进入国家队的机会，但前四场比赛我都没达到标准。

That was me getting the opportunity to make the national team, and I didn't get it at the first four track meets .

我有能力越过那个高度。

And I was capable of clearing this bar.

最后一场比赛是我自己办的，是我自己的非营利组织办的。

And the last track meet was my own competition, my own nonprofit.

我们举办了一场田径赛，我的家人和朋友都来了。

We had a track meet, and all my family and friends were there.

那是最后的机会，我终于成功了，第一次入选了国家队。

It was the last opportunity, and I finally got it, and I made the national team for the first time.

我当时才14岁。

I was 14.

我是队里年纪最小的，差得远呢，那是我最棒的时刻。

I was the youngest on the team by a lot, and it was the best moment ever.

从那以后，参加奥运会看起来真的有可能了。

And then from that point forward, it looked like making the games was going to be a real possibility.

所以那就是2019年的事。

And so that was 2019.

后来因为疫情，比赛推迟了一年，所以我有了更多时间提升自己。

We ended up then, because the pandemic, the games got pushed back a year, so I even had more time to improve.

但真正拿到东京奥运会的参赛资格时，感觉并没有那么满足，因为多了一年时间后，我就想，'现在如果我入选了，我就必须拿奖牌。'

And then actually qualifying for the Tokyo games wasn't as satisfying as it should've been, because once I got that extra year, I said, "Now, if I qualify, I need to medal now.

我多了一年时间。

I got an extra year.

目标必须改变。

The goal has to change."

我把标准定得更高了。

I set the bar even higher.

所以获得参赛资格是件好事，但可能没有想象中那么令人满足，因为我的脑子里已经在想下一步了，这是我最大的缺点，就是从来不懂得享受当下，因为我总在想下一步。

So qualifying was beautiful, but probably not as satisfying as it should've been because my head was already thinking about the next thing, which is my biggest fault, is that I never appreciate things because I'm always thinking about the next thing.

对你做的事情来说，这是缺点还是优点？

Is that a fault or a strength when it comes to what you do?

看你怎么理解了。

Up for interpretation.

我妈妈会说这是缺点，但我会说这是优点。

My mother would say it's a fault, but I would say it's a strength.

我觉得作为运动员，这是优点。

I think as an athlete, it's a strength.

作为运动员，这是优点。

As an athlete, it's a strength.

我从来不会满足。

I'm never satisfied.

我可以心怀感恩，同时也很——因为我总是努力让自己处于感恩的状态，但我可以既感恩又非常有野心，永远渴望更多。

I can live in gratitude and also really be-- Because I always am trying to be at a place of gratitude, but I can be grateful and also really ambitious and hungry for more always.

所以你说得对。

So you're right.

这取决于你问谁。

It depends on who you ask .

但我要说明一下，我同意你妈妈的观点。

But for the record, I agree with your mom.

她说的完全对。

She's got everything right.

她什么都对。

She's got everything.

所以我可不想跟你妈妈争论。

So I'm not about to debate with your mom.

她说得太对了。

She's nailed it.

那我还有什么资格对她指手画脚呢？

So who am I to say anything to her?

我以前有幸看过一些残奥会的比赛项目。

I've been fortunate enough to watch certain sports in the Paralympics previously.

在你上节目之前，我就看过你很多比赛，你的表现让我非常震撼。

I've watched you a ton before you coming on the show, and I'm blown away by what's possible.

看比赛真的让人叹为观止。

It is remarkable to watch.

但对于那些不了解残奥会的人来说，奥运会和残奥会的主要区别是什么？对，比赛项目和运动员方面有什么不同？

But for anyone who doesn't know about the Paralympics, what are the key differences between the Olympics and the Paralympics, and Yeah, what are the differences in the competitions, in the athletes?

对于不太了解的人，你会怎么介绍呢？

What are you seeing for someone who may be less aware?

当然可以。

Absolutely.

因为说实话，大家就是会自然感到困惑。

Because by the way, people just are naturally confused.

我经常被人叫做奥运选手，他们不是恶意的，但我不是。

I get called an Olympian all the time, and they don't mean it in a negative way, but I'm not.

我是残奥选手。

I'm a Paralympian.

所以主要区别是这样的：残奥会是全球身体残疾人士最高水平的体育赛事和竞技。

And so the main differences are this: Paralympics is the highest level sport and competition on the planet for people with physical disabilities.

它是在奥运会结束两周后举行。

It happens two weeks after the Olympics.

它是在同一个城市、同一个场馆，由同一个组委会举办。

It happens in the same cities, same venues, same organizing committees.

当然，国际残奥委会（IPC）和国际奥委会（IOC）是姐妹组织。

Granted, the IPC, the International Paralympic Committee, and the IOC, International Olympic Committee, they're sister organizations.

它们不完全一样，但运动项目非常相似。

They're not the exact same, but the sports are very similar.

残奥会的运动项目，有时候也叫适应性运动，都是经过某种方式调整过的。

Paralympic sports, or sometimes called adaptive sports, they're adapted in some way.

比如说，轮椅篮球。

For example, wheelchair basketball.

就是打篮球，只不过坐在轮椅上，推两下轮椅就得运球。

It's a game of basketball, but they're just in wheelchairs, and you get two pushes, and then you have to dribble.

轮椅网球的话，球可以落地两次再击打。

Wheelchair tennis, you get two bounces to hit the ball.

田径方面，我跑步用的是跑步假肢，但百米冲刺和跳高跟普通项目是一样的。

Track and field, I run with a running blade, but I'm running the 100 meter and high jumping the same.

所以残奥会的竞争非常激烈。

And so the Paralympics is highly competitive.

有些人会把它和特奥会搞混。

Some people get it confused with Special Olympics.

特奥会是个很棒的组织，他们为有认知障碍的人提供项目，所以任何有认知障碍的人都可以成为特奥运动员。

Special Olympics is an amazing organization, and they do programming for people with cognitive impairments, so any person with a cognitive impairment could be a Special Olympian.

残奥会门槛非常高，只有全球最顶尖的、有身体残疾的运动员才能代表国家参赛。

The Paralympics is highly exclusive, and it's for the best athletes on the planet with a physical disability representing their country.

再说一次，从人口比例来看，特奥会服务的是2%到3%有认知障碍的人群。

And once again, even from a population standpoint, Special Olympics serves 2% to 3% that live with a cognitive impairment.

而残奥会显然对应的是15%有身体残疾的人群。

Paralympics is obviously 15% with a physical disability.

但在残奥会中，每个项目都有分级制度，这一点常常让人感到困惑。

But in the Paralympics, there are classifications for each sport, and this is something that people get confused by.

其实，这本质上是一套公平机制。

But basically, it's a system of fairness.

就像拳击或UFC里有体重级别一样。

The same way in boxing or UFC, you have weight classes.

你不可能让一个145磅的人去跟205磅的人打。

You're not going to have a 145 guy fight a guy that's 205.

那也太不公平了。

That'd be so unfair.

在残奥会里，就是按残疾程度来分级的，所以你是在和残疾程度相同或相似的人比赛。

In the Paralympics, you have that for disability, so you compete against people with the same or similar disability.

比如说，我作为截肢者，我不会去跟一个只是缺了胳膊的人赛跑。

As in I, as an amputee, I'm not going to run against a dude that's just missing his arm.

他会把我跑趴下的。

He would destroy me.

他有两条腿。

He has two legs.

他会赢我。

He would beat me.

我只跟同样是膝盖以上截肢的人比赛。

I only run against people that are also an above-the-knee amputee.

对，看你赢的那段视频，去网上搜一下看看，真的很震撼，看你加速跑起来的样子。

Yeah, watching that video of you win go watch it online, but it's phenomenal to see you pick up speed.

跟我们聊聊那种感觉吧，因为我觉得对于我们这些不了解假肢是什么感觉的人来说，你加速的方式肯定不一样。

Talk to us about that idea, because I think for those of us who don't understand what it feels like to have a prosthetic leg, you have to pick up speed in a different way.

你说得完全对。

You're absolutely right.

所以用跑步假肢的话，起跑是比赛中最难的部分，因为你很难摆出正确的姿势，而且假肢还没有真正发挥作用。

So with a running blade, the start is the hardest part of the race because you're unable to hit the right positions, and the blade hasn't really kicked in.

所以通常要到30米、40米，甚至50米的时候，你才能真正达到最高速度。

And so only at about 30, 40, maybe even 50 meters are you really hitting top speed.

这就是为什么残奥会的成绩比健全人慢的原因。

That's why the Paralympic times are slower compared to the able-bodied times.

但实际上，如果你拿我比赛中的最高速度和健全短跑运动员的最高速度相比，差距并没有我们跑出的成绩看起来那么大。

But really, if you took the top speed of my race versus the top speed of an able-bodied sprinter, it wouldn't be as different compared to the times that we're running.

成绩看起来差很多，但最高速度其实比人们想象的要接近。

The times seem way far apart, but the top speeds are closer than people think.

哇。

Wow.

当然，还是慢一些，因为我们少了一条腿，但差距没那么大。

Of course, still slower because we're missing a leg, but less difference.

对，在巴黎的那场比赛，光是围绕那件事就有很多可以说的，整个巴黎的经历本身就很丰富。

Yeah, in the race in Paris, there's so much to go into just around that, the whole experience in Paris as a whole.

不过那场比赛确实疯狂，你看，每个人都在加速。

But yeah, that race was crazy, and you watch, everyone picks up speed.

比赛里的每个人都在——

Everyone in the race is-

哦，你加速了。

Oh, you pick up speed.

我当时就想，你加速了。

I'm like, you pick up speed.

谢谢。

Thank you.

对，太不可思议了。

Yeah, it's insane.

只是稍微快了一点点——但那场比赛真的很疯狂。

Just a little, a smidge more speed than-- But it was a crazy race.

对，太疯狂了。

Yeah, it's insane.

这个我们待会儿再说。

We'll get to that.

我想回到东京的话题。

I want to go back to Tokyo.

你在东京是第五名完赛的，对吧？

You come out fifth, right, in Tokyo?

然后你拍了一张领奖台上运动员的照片，设成手机壁纸，心里想着：绝不能再这样了。

And you take a picture of the athletes on the podium, and you make it your phone wallpaper, and you're like, "Never again."

跟我说说你是怎么做出这个决定的。

Walk me through that decision-making.

我特别好胜，你应该看得出来。

I'm an ultra-competitor, if you can't tell.

我喜欢，兄弟。

I love it, dude.

我很喜欢。

I love it.

所以，你看，东京奥运会多了一年时间，我心想，我不能有同样的目标了。

So I-- See, we got that extra year for the Tokyo Games, and in my head, I thought, "I can't have the same goal.

我多了一年时间。

I got an extra year.

我必须拿奖牌。

I have to medal."

那就是我的目标。

That was the goal.

说实话，我进入东京奥运会时，状态还不错，有机会实现这个目标。

And honestly, I came into the Tokyo Games in a pretty good position to make that happen.

那绝对是有可能的。

It was definitely possible.

虽然不太可能，但确实有可能，而这正是我需要的。

Unlikely, but it was possible, and that's all I needed.

而且你显然也非常年轻。

And you're super young, obviously, as well.

我当时16岁。

I was 16.

我那时候特别年轻。

I was super young.

其他选手都是25岁，比我大，都是成年人了。

All the other guys were 25, older, grown men.

他们就是靠这个吃饭的。

This is what they do for a living.

我差一点就站上领奖台了。

I got really close to the podium.

铜牌的高度，我飞越过横杆，但我的刀刃擦到了横杆顶部。

The bronze medal bar, I was soaring over the bar, and my blade skims the top of the bar.

我落在垫子上。

I land on the mat.

我跳了起来。

I jump up.

我甚至都没感觉到。

I didn't even feel it.

我以为我越过了横杆。

I thought I cleared the bar.

我跳起来庆祝，结果横杆掉了，我当时特别崩溃。

I jump up to celebrate, and the bar was down, and I was just devastated.

特别崩溃。

Devastated.

感觉让家人、朋友失望了，感觉让国家失望了。

Felt like I let my family, my friends, felt like I let my country down.

那真的很痛苦。

It was painful.

但我记得，当其他运动员都离开时，天正下着倾盆大雨。

But I remember as every other athlete left, it was pouring rain.

我留在田径场上，四处走着，在心里默默记下那个画面，因为我知道那一刻对我意义重大。

I stayed on the track and was just walking around and taking these mental pictures because I knew that that moment was going to be pivotal for me in some way.

我往对面看去，看到冠军正在拍那张经典的照片——他们高举着国旗，周围全是摄影师。我就坐在那儿看着他们，心里暗暗发誓："再也不这样了。"

And as I looked across, I saw the medalist taking the iconic photo where they hold their flags up, and there's all these photographers, and I remember sitting there looking at them and thinking to myself, "Never again.

"从今往后，直到我退役那天，我再也不会空手离开任何一项大赛。"

Never again will I walk away from a major championships without a medal until the day I retire."

那就是我的誓言。

That was my vow.

我回到房间，在残奥村里真的经历了一段非常难熬的时光。

And I went back to my room and was really going through it at the Paralympic village.

当时房间里只有我父亲一个人。

Obviously, the only person that was there was my father.

因为疫情的原因，我的家人都没能过来，我当时真的很难受。

My whole family wasn't able to come because of the pandemic, and I was really struggling.

我想起了泰德·罗斯福的那句名言：'竞技场中的人'。

I refound a quote, which is the Theodore Roosevelt quote, "Man in the arena."

重要的不是那些批评者，不是那些指出强者跌倒、或者实干家哪里可以做得更好的人。

"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.

荣誉属于那些真正在竞技场上拼搏的人，他们的脸上沾满尘土、汗水和鲜血，他们勇敢奋斗，会犯错，会一次又一次地失败，但他们为了有价值的事业全力以赴，最终，最好的结果是他们知道取得伟大成就的喜悦，最坏的结果是，即使他们失败了，至少他们是在大胆尝试中失败的，因此他们的位置永远不会属于那些冷漠胆怯、既不知胜利也不知失败的灵魂。

The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs, who comes short again and again, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best in the end knows the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

我太喜欢这段话了。

I love that quote.

我也很喜欢。

I love it, too.

我太喜欢这段话了。

I love that quote.

说得太好了。

It's so good.

说得太好了。

It's so good.

说得太好了。

It's so good.

哦，这句话让我一下子回到了过去。

Oh, it just took me back.

每次听到这句话我都起鸡皮疙瘩，是的。

It just gives me chills every time I hear it, yeah.

“所以他的位置永远不会……”

"So that his place shall never be..."

这句话最打动我。

That was the line that hit me.

“至少如果他失败了，他是在大胆尝试中失败的，所以他的位置永远不会和那些既不知道胜利也不知道失败的冷漠胆小的灵魂在一起。”

"At least if he fails, he fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

当我再次读到这句话时，我在想，我大胆尝试过。

And as I read that again, I was thinking I dared greatly.

我为此感到自豪。

I'm proud of that.

我全力以赴了。

I put my all into this.

我竭尽全力了。

I left no stone unturned.

至少我的位置不是和那些冷漠胆小的灵魂在一起，他们从未冒险，从未把自己置于险境，从未追求过自己的梦想。

At least my place isn't with those cold and timid souls who never took a risk, who never put themselves out there, who never went after their dreams.

我做到了。

I did.

于是我把手机锁屏设成了那张我看到的奖牌得主拍的照片，上面写着“永不再来”。

And so I set the lock screen of my phone as that photo that I watched the medalist take with the words, "Never again."

这样每次我打开手机，都会看到它，提醒自己，我必须夺回这一切。

So that every time I opened up my phone, I would see that, and I'd be reminded, I got to get this one back.

所以几年后，我赢得了我的第一个世界冠军，在媒体区，他们问：“你打算换掉你的锁屏吗？”

So after a couple of years later, I won my first world title, and in the media row, they're like, "Are you going to change your lock screen?

“你现在要换掉你的锁屏吗？”

Are you going to change your lock screen now?"

我说：“不。”

And I was like, "No.

我不会换的。

I'm not.

我会一直留着它。

I'm going to keep it."

然后这些年，每次我输了，每次我遇到那样的时刻，我都会往上面加东西。

And then over the years, every time I've lost, every time I've had moments like, I've added to it.

所以现在我的锁屏上多了好多照片，就变成了一堆能激励我的东西的拼贴，那些激励我的时刻，我的失败。

So now I've got a bunch more photos added to the lock screen, and it's just going to be a collage of things that motivate me, moments that motivate me, my failures.

我觉得失败是最能激励人的东西。

I think failure is the ultimate motivator.

现在，我们总是打开手机。

Nowadays, we open up our phone all the time.

我打开手机，每次看到那些，我就会想起那些时刻，那些推动我成为现在这个人的时刻。

I open up my phone, every time I see that, I'm reminded of these moments that have fueled me to become the person I am.

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