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这是iHeart出品的播客《 Guaranteed Human 》。
This is a iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.
我是劳里·西格尔，一名资深科技记者。
I'm Laurie Siegel, a longtime tech journalist.
我的新播客《 Mostly Human 》将带你通往未来。
And consider my new podcast, Mostly Human, your bridge to the future.
现在任何人都可以成为创业者。
Anyone can now be an entrepreneur.
任何人都能开发一款应用，这让人倍感振奋。
Anyone can build an app, and it's very empowering.
每周我都会采访那些正在塑造未来的人，一起剖析这些创新究竟会如何影响你的生活。
Each week, I'll speak to the people building that future, and we're gonna break down what all of this innovation actually means for you.
我逐渐意识到，当人们以为自己在和一个AI伴侣约会时，
What I come to realize is that when people think that
他们实际上是在和开发这个AI的公司约会。
they're dating this AI companion, they're actually dating the company that create this.
我们正经历人类历史上最迅猛的一次科技加速。
We're experiencing one of the greatest tech accelerations in human history.
说实话，这过程肯定乱糟糟的。
And let's be honest, that can be messy.
根本没什么现成的指南
There's no playbook
当AI编造出关于你的虚假故事时，你该怎么做？
for what to do when an AI model hallucinates a story about you.
但我相信，我们都应该从这个时代中获益。
But it's my belief that we should all benefit from this moment.
《 Mostly Human 》会告诉你怎么做。
Mostly Human will show you how.
我的目标就是给你一份指南，让你真正从中受益。
My goal is to give you the playbook so you can benefit.
我之所以强调自主权，是因为如果我们能把权力还给普通人，那可能是对心理健康最好的事了。
The reason I say agency is because, like, if we can give power back to people, then I think that's probably the best thing we can do for your mental health.
在 iHeartRadio 应用、苹果播客，或者你平时听节目的任何平台收听《Mostly Human》。
Listen to Mostly Human on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
我是艾瑞斯·帕尔默，我的新播客叫《逆境之中》，这档节目讲的就是这个主题。
I'm Iris Palmer, and my new podcast is called Against All Odds, and that's exactly what the show is about.
不管多难，都要拼尽全力去赢。
Doing whatever it takes to beat the odds.
这周我采访了知名女演员兼制片人伊娃·朗格利亚。
This week, I'm talking to celebrated actress and producer Eva Longoria.
我记得那时候存款只剩两百美元，我妈问我：你打算怎么办？
I think I had, like, $200 in my savings account, and my mom goes, what are you gonna do?
我就说：我总会想到办法的。
And I was like, I'll figure it out.
我们租了一间一居室，月租四百块，全家都快撑不住了，我当时就想：我怎么才能赚到一百块呢？
We had a one bedroom apartment for, like, $400 a month, and we all could not afford like, I was like, how am I gonna make a $100 a month?
打开免费的 iHeartRadio 应用，搜索‘Against All Odds with Iris Palmer’，现在就来听吧。
Open your free iHeartRadio app, search against all odds with Iris Palmer, and listen now.
大家好。
Hi, everyone.
我是谢丽尔·斯特雷德，著有《荒野》和《微小而美好的事物》。
I'm Sheryl Strade, author of wild and tiny beautiful things.
我很高兴告诉大家，我新开了一档播客，叫《心越群山》。
I'm excited to share that I have a new podcast called Mind Over Mountain.
每期节目里，我都会采访运动员、冒险家和追求刺激的人，聊聊支撑他们完成惊人壮举的内心世界，帮我们更好地理解如何面对自己看似无法逾越的困难。
In each episode, I interview athletes, adventurers, and adrenaline seekers to discuss the inner landscapes that informed and inspired their extraordinary feats so we too can better understand how to face our own seemingly insurmountable challenges.
每周四，欢迎在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts，或者你常用的播客平台收听《心越群山》。
Listen to Mind Over Mountain every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
这些人，大多数是我孙辈的父亲。
These are, in most cases, the fathers of my grandchildren.
我深爱着这些男人，即使我们和他们之间经历艰难时刻，这份爱也从未消失。
I love these men, and that love doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times with them.
克丽丝·詹纳，欢迎来到
Kris Jenner, welcome to
我真是太兴奋了，能来到这里。
I'm On so excited to be here.
我孩子们之前来过，提前摸了摸情况，你知道的，我们特别喜欢你。
My kids have come before me to get the lay of the land, and, well, you know, we love you dearly.
我真的是你的超级粉丝。
I'm such a huge fan.
我特别喜欢听这个播客。
Love listening to the podcast.
只要有机会看到你在线上做励志演讲，或者做其他事情，我都一定会听。
Love listening to anytime I get the opportunity to see you online, giving a motivational speech or, you know, different things that you do.
这对我特别有启发，我知道我女儿们有多爱你。
It's so inspirational to me, and I know how much my girls love you.
所以我一定要亲自来看看，这里到底有什么特别的。
So I had to come see for myself what was going on over here.
正如我刚才说的，Kris，从一开始，你和你的家人就对我格外友善和体贴。
Well, as I was saying Kris, you and your family have been so gracious and kind to me from day one.
谢谢你。
Thank you.
你还记得吗，当初Chloe第一次分享我2019年做的东西，Kendall开始关注我，然后我们慢慢连接上，这几年Kim你一直特别暖心，现在终于能当面见到你了。我想先说说这个，我记得我第一次去你家吃晚饭，后来大家总问我，去Kris家吃饭是什么感觉？其实那晚就只有我、你和Kendall。
Remember the early days of Chloe sharing something that I'd done in 2019 or Kendall starting to follow me and then connecting and then Kim has just been amazing over the last couple of years and finally getting to meet you and I want to start with this because I remember when I came over for dinner and everyone afterwards like, what was it like going to Kris' house for dinner and like, and I was like, and it was me, you and Kendall.
我对大家说，我感觉就像去了朋友妈妈家一样。
And I said to everyone, I was like, I felt like I was at my friend's mom's house.
你一心只想确保我吃够了，照顾得周到，让我吃得舒心。
I was like, all you wanted to do is make sure I'd eaten enough and make sure I was well fed and taken care of.
你身上那种让人感到宾至如归、被真心接纳的能量，真的让我特别感动。
And I was so touched by just that amazing energy that you have of making everyone feel at home, making everyone feel welcome.
每次见到你，不管是聚会、活动，还是我们共同朋友的生日派对，只要和你聊天，我就特别开心。
And whenever I see you, whether it's at a party or an event or one of our mutual friends birthdays that we were just at, always just feel so happy when we're talking.
真的非常感谢你，这对我来说意义重大。
So thank you so much truly, it means the world.
哎呀，该谢谢你邀请我。
Oh, well, you for having me.
这对我来说真的意义重大，那天我特别开心，因为更深入地了解了你，知道了你是个怎样的人，你对别人抱持着怎样的用心，以及你如何努力把大家聚在一起。
It really means the world to me, and I really enjoyed that night because I got to know you a little bit more on a personal level and just heard about what you are all about, what your intentions are with people, and how you wanna help people and and bring people together.
在这个人人都分崩离析的时代，尤其是过去这十年，世界看起来这么混乱，我们能有你这样的榜样，提醒我们换个角度看问题，试着在这一切中找到一些平和，真的很难得。
In a world where everybody's torn apart, especially in the last decade or so, how crazy everything seems, I think for us to have that beacon of of someone we can look up to to say, hold on, you know, let's look at this a different way and try to find something peaceful in all of it.
所以，我由衷地感谢你。
And so for that, I appreciate you so much.
谢谢你。
Thank you.
我想更多地了解那个你曾经是的克里斯。
Well, I wanna get to know the Kris.
哎呀。
Oh boy.
那个我们早就忘了存在的克里斯。
That I believe we forget existed.
因为现在我们太关注每个人今天做了什么，反而忘了他们是怎么走到今天的，又是怎样成为今天的自己的。
Because today we live in a world where we're so preoccupied with what everyone does today, we forget how they became and how they were created.
我想问你，有没有哪个童年记忆，让你觉得塑造了今天的你？
I wanted to ask you, what's a childhood memory that you remember that you feel defines who you are today?
天哪，童年记忆啊。
Oh my goodness, a childhood memory.
我觉得吧，我从小是妈妈和奶奶带大的，她们俩都是特别强势的女强人，一边工作一边给我做榜样，让我看到女性能有多强大。
Well I think, you know, growing up, I just I was really raised by my mom and my grandmother and two really strong businesswomen who worked and and showed me that how powerful that can be.
她们不只是在外面给别人看，更是为自己活出样子——怎么战胜那些曾经看不起你的人，怎么养活家人，怎么教孩子和孙子孙女成为坚强、聪明、有爱心的母亲，同时也是属于不同年代的职场女性。
Just not just out there in the world to show others, but for yourself, like how to how to beat somebody that you were really proud of, but also provided for their families and then taught their children and grandchildren how to be strong, intelligent, caring, you know, loving moms, but also, you know, you know, working women who really were of a different generation.
我妈妈特别年轻的时候，二十岁就生了我，那时候我奶奶四十岁，我就这么出生了。
You know, when my mom was very young, when she was in her twenties, she had me when she was 20, my grandmother was 40, and, you know, I was just born.
所以一直以来，我和妈妈之间差了二十岁，和奶奶之间差了四十岁。
And so what there's always been a twenty year age difference and then, of course, forty years with my grandmother.
她们让我明白，工作、有事业，就是我们家生活的一部分。
And they taught me that working and having a career was just part of our lifestyle and our family.
这对我意义重大，因为她们真的是我最大的榜样。
And that meant so much to me because they were so such an inspiration.
我妈妈还让我见识了每天精心打扮是什么样子。
And my mom also showed me what it was like to, you know, get dressed up every day.
她特别喜欢时尚。
She loved fashion.
她觉得，每天该怎么打扮自己，就是你向世界展示自己的方式。
She loved this is how you want to present yourself to the world every day.
比如，你上三年级的时候想穿成什么样？初中或者高中呢？
Like, how do you wanna look when you go to third grade, you know, or or even junior high or high school?
现在回想起来，我真的很为抚养我的这两位女性感到骄傲，她们让我明白了什么叫拥有事业，怎么打理家务，什么叫婚姻，什么叫为人父母。
And it really was something when I look back on it now, I'm so proud of those two women who raised me because they showed me what it's like to, you know, have a career and and how to take care of a home and what it was like to be married, what it was like to have children.
我十六岁那年就真正明白了，那时候我就知道自己想要很多孩子。
And I know when I was 16 years old, I really realized that's when I knew I wanted to have a lot of kids.
甚至在那么小的年纪，我心里就已经定下了六个孩子的目标。
And I actually had the number six in my head at that very early age.
天哪。
Wow.
真的吗？
Really?
是的。
Uh-huh.
我以前一直觉得自己会生六个孩子。
I used to think I'm gonna have six kids.
后来我离婚的时候已经有四个孩子了，心想：哎呀，我当初估计错了，少了两个。
And then when I ended up getting divorced and I had four kids, I thought, boy, was I off couple of kids.
结果我又生了两个。
And then I ended up having two more.
但回想起我成长的那户人家，我真的很感恩，能拥有一个如此富足、充满关爱和温暖的家庭和童年。
But growing up with with the family I grew up with, I felt I do feel so blessed to have had a very privileged, caring, loving home and childhood.
我觉得这份幸运，我会永远心存感激。
And I think it's something that I'll always be grateful for.
我经常跟妈妈聊这些，她今年已经九十一岁了。
And I talked to my mom who's 91 about it all the time.
我总是感谢她为全家付出的牺牲，还有那些加班到很晚的日子。
I think I always thank her for all the sacrifices and working late.
有时候，你懂的，我放学回家，本指望能吃到刚烤好的巧克力曲奇，或者一顿热腾腾的烤牛肉晚餐，但她并不总在那儿。
And sometimes, you know, she wasn't necessarily, you know, at home when I got home from school with chocolate chip cookies fresh out of the oven and making me, you know, a roast beef dinner.
可她一直在拼命工作，为了我、我妹妹，为了这个家。
But she was there working her ass off, you know, for for me and my sister and for that.
然后我奶奶就住在马路对面。
And then my grandmother, you know, lived across the street.
所以奶奶承担了所有祖母该做的事。
So my grandmother was doing all the the grandma things.
这让我深深感受到家庭的温暖与紧密，也滋养了我的精神世界——因为我每个周日都去教堂，领圣餐，做所有一个小女孩在妈妈带领下该做的事。
And so it really gave me a good sense of family, unity, closeness, you know, it fed my spirituality because I went to church every Sunday and was, you know, had, you know, communion and all the things that you do as a young girl whose mom is taking them to church every Sunday and teaching you all the things.
那段童年是我生命中非常重要的一部分，我不仅有很多朋友，还上的是家附近那所公立学校。
And it was a huge part of my life, that that childhood of just being not only I had so many friends and went to public school, which was down the street.
我妈妈小时候的头等大事，就是搬去离学校近的地方，因为这样我可以走路去上学。
My mom's priority when I was a child was always move next to the school because you can walk to school.
我们那时候走路去上学，一点烦恼都没有。
So we were walking to school, not a care in the world.
那时候车里都没安全带，我们就坐在妈妈车的后座上到处跑。
We had no seat belts in the cars, driving around in the back of my mom's.
我小时候，妈妈开一辆敞篷T型车，把我们扔在后座的搁板上，一路颠来颠去。
My mom had a convertible t bird when I was a little girl, and throw us in the back on a shelf, and we'd be bouncing around.
后来我当了妈妈，对考特尼、金伯利、克洛伊和罗伯特也是一样，完全照搬。
And by the way, I did the same thing with my kids, Courtney and Kimberly, when I had them and Chloe and then Robert.
一车十五个孩子全挤在旅行车的后座，没系安全带，像沙丁鱼罐头一样，去哪儿都这么一车人。
Everyone in the back of the station wagon, no seat belts, just 15 kids in the back section shoved together like sardines taking everybody everywhere.
我到现在还记得第一台彩色电视，住在哪栋房子里，它摆在房间哪个角落，那种兴奋劲儿，我都能清清楚楚想起来。
So so many memories of things that were so different from I remember my first color TV when and where I lived and what house I could, like, imagine what corner of the room it was in and how exciting that was.
我当然也记得第一次拿到iPhone的时候。
So, you know, I can also remember getting my first iPhone.
说实话，那种感觉真是挺奇妙的。
You know, it's like I mean, talk about bizarre Yeah.
你想想，这两者之间的反差多大。
You know, the the contrast of the two.
你有没有用过那种老式手机？
Did you ever have one
就是那种特别大的砖头手机。
of those brick phones?
我妈妈那时候还问过我。
One of the really big
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
我记得我妈妈问过。
I remember my mom asked.
1990年。
1990.
1991年。
Nineteen ninety ninety one.
你那时候打个电话。
And you'd make a call.
开着车在高速上，手里攥着块砖头，觉得自己特别酷，想跟谁聊就跟谁聊，没人管。
You thought you were so cool cruising down the highway with a brick in your hand, you know, and there was no rules on you could talk to anybody.
开车的时候还能打电话。
You could talk on the phone while you were driving.
开车时吃汉堡也完全没问题。
You could eat a burger while you were driving down the street.
回过头看，文化上的变化真是太大了。
It's amazing all the different changes culturally.
是啊。
Yeah.
你懂的。
You know?
就我个人而言，这一生经历了好多不同的阶段。
And just personally, just all the different chapters I've had in my life.
每一个阶段都特别清晰。
It's like every single one is so clear.
但如果你把它们按每十个阶段来分，十到二十，二十到三十，一路这样下去，你会发现每个阶段都有好多了不起的、神奇的事发生。
But if you take it like the fur you know, one through ten, ten through twenty, twenty through 30, and just keep going, it's like there's so many huge magical things that have happened in each chapter.
以我现在这个年纪来看，我觉得你真的拥有特别多的洞察力，而且每十年都会不一样。
And I think that's, the way I look at it now at my age, you know, you have so much perspective and it changes from decade to decade.
所以我觉得自己特别幸运。
So I consider myself really lucky.
是的。
Yeah.
太惊人了。
Wow.
听你讲这些真的特别棒，因为我觉得你妈妈和奶奶对你影响特别深，一直是你人生中的榜样。
It's incredible hearing about it because I love that your mother and your grandmother were just such big influences and role models in your life.
确实如此。
Huge.
她们是做什么工作的？
What work did they do?
那时候她们具体在忙些什么？
What were they doing at the time?
我奶奶是会计师，后来在加州拉霍亚开了一家叫Candelabra的蜡烛店。
My grandmother was an accountant and then later opened a candle store called the Candelabra in La Jolla, California.
我妈妈也在附近吉拉德街上开了家蜡烛店，她们都是创业者。
And my mom opened another candle store, nearby on Girard Street, and they were entrepreneurs.
她们每天早上五点就起床，生活很有规律，喝咖啡、吃早餐、打扮得整整齐齐，然后去上班，一干就是一整天，那种踏实感特别让人满足。
And they got up every morning at 05:00, and they had a routine, and they had structure, and they had their coffee, and had breakfast, and got dressed, like, to the nines, you know, like, Went to work, worked all day, were so you know, it's very satisfying to end the day with a full day's work under your belt.
一天结束的时候，你会觉得真没白忙活。
You feel like you've really accomplished something.
我从小就体会过这种感觉，因为我的整个成长过程都是这样过来的。
And I knew that feeling because I lived it my whole life.
所以这种感觉早就刻在我心里了，我也迫不及待想有自己的事业，开始工作。
So it was kind of embedded in me that I too couldn't wait to have a career or start working.
是的
Mhmm.
我第一份工作是在我奶奶的蜡烛店，负责包礼物。
I mean, my first job was I worked in my grandmother's candle store, and I was the gift wrapper.
哦。
Oh.
我那时候才十二岁，特别喜欢和奶奶还有妈妈一起去上班。
And I would be I was 12 years old, and I loved to go to work with my grandmother and my mom.
我在奶奶店里时，她总让我待在后屋，教我怎么包礼物、打蝴蝶结。
And but I was at my grandmother's store, and she'd put me in the backroom, and she taught me how to gift wrap and make bows.
我觉得自己是世界上最好的礼物包装师，做的蝴蝶结也最漂亮。
And I was the best gift wrapper I could possibly be, and I made the most beautiful bows in my mind on the planet.
她告诉我，不管做什么事，都要尽全力做到最好。
And she taught me that no matter what you do, you do the best job you can possibly do.
她还曾经因为某些原因，经常帮我刷牙，小时候就是这样。
If you and she was the one who I had to brush my teeth for some reason a lot when I was young.
每次我吃东西，她都让我刷牙，刷牙。
Every time I had anything to eat, brush your teeth, brush your teeth.
但她有个规矩，要是我在奶奶家刷了牙，就得用洁厕灵或者 Ajax 之类的清洁剂把水槽擦干净。
But she had this rule that if you brushed your teeth at my grandmother's house, then you had to clean the sink with, like, Comet or Ajax or one of those crazy things.
我会拼命地刷水槽，一遍又一遍，像在打磨什么珍宝似的。
And I would scrub that sink like it was like my only, you know, polish, polish, polish.
她就坐在那儿说：你这双手真漂亮。
And she would sit there and say, you have the most beautiful hands.
她总给我这些特别温柔的夸奖，然后说：你真是我们家最会擦水槽的人。
You have she would just give me these the most sweetest compliments about and then said, you you are really the best sink washer in the family.
我当时就想，哇。
And I was like, wow.
好吧。
Okay.
你知道吗？她让我明白，不管事情大小，只要尽全力去做，就对了。
You know, so it gave me confidence that if you really you know, she taught taught me that no matter how big or small the job, just do the best you can
对。
Mhmm.
而且你会因此得到夸奖。
And you'll be praised for it.
这在我心里留下了深刻的影响。
And that just instilled something in me.
是的。
Yeah.
真是这样，然后，
What an And then, of
当然，我也对我自己的孩子这么严格。
course, I tortured my own children.
洗水槽就要尽全力，你知道的，他们是不是跟你一样棒？
Wash the sink the best you you know, they're like Were as good as you?
翻白眼。
Rolling their eyes.
他们有你这么好吗？
Were they as good as you?
当然没有。
Of course not.
没有。
No.
我可是你见过最厉害的水槽清洁能手。
I'm the best sink scrubber you'll ever see.
你现在还包圣诞礼物和生日礼物吗？
Do you do you still wrap Christmas presents, birthday presents?
每一份都包。
Every
一整天都在忙。
all day.
我今天早上来这儿之前刚包了一个。
I wrapped one this morning before I came here.
不可能。
No way.
对。
Yeah.
我没打蝴蝶结，因为那个包裹形状不一样，不过我们家每年假期都会搞个包装比赛。
I didn't do a bow because it was a different kind of a package, but I think my kids really we have a big contest during the holidays.
圣诞节的时候，大家比谁用的包装纸最漂亮。
And at Christmas, it's like who's got the best wrapping paper.
是的。
Yeah.
但我们都不会提前告诉别人自己用什么包装。
But we don't tell each other what gift wrap we're doing.
我们喜欢给对方惊喜。
We like it to be a surprise.
我负责圣诞节早上送礼，所有孩子的礼物都会送到我家。
Well, I do Christmas morning, and all the kids' gifts are dropped off at my house.
我们每个人都有自己的区域，你知道的，就在那儿。
And we all have a section, like, you know, of there.
所以我们一看就知道，这些全是金的礼物，因为包装风格太有她的特色了。去年她还特意来我家，想看看自己礼物摆得怎么样，确保每一件都摆得刚刚好。
And so we know, oh, these are all Kim's gifts because they're wrapped like well, she stopped by my house last year because she wanted to check out how her gifts look to make sure they were positioned perfectly.
对吧？
Right?
我当时真是服了。
I'm like, oh lord.
她来的时候我根本没想到，她直接掏出手机，开了个直播或者什么的，就在Instagram上把咱们所有礼物都展示给了全世界。
So she comes by and little did I know, she whips out her phone and she starts doing, like it was either a live or something on Instagram, and she shows the entire world all of our packages.
这下好了，姐妹们全都知道了，而且……
So now all the sisters and everybody knew and
你那个，是的。
What your yeah.
对。
Yeah.
所以她把这事说出去了。
So she gave it away.
对啊。
Yeah.
然后呢？
And then?
是啊。
Yeah.
这些其实都是我们平时互相捉弄的把戏，整天没完没了的。
So these are just all the pranks I think we play on each other, you know, constantly all day long.
所以金是想揭你的底，那事儿是——
So Kim was trying to expose you, that was
我觉得是她吧，
her I think so,
我觉得也是。
I think
她当时就是挺可爱的，你知道的。
she was being, you know, she was being cute.
她总是这么棒。
She's always so great.
我太喜欢了。
I love it.
我记得有一次我过来的时候，你提到自己当空乘人员的事。
I remember I remember when we were speaking, when I came over, you were talking about you being an air hostess as your one of your air hostess.
是的。
Yeah.
我是空乘人员。
Was a flight attendant.
空乘人员。
Flight attendant.
是的。
Yeah.
我从蜡烛店离开的时候学到了很多东西。
I I went from the candle store and I learned so much there.
后来我在圣地亚哥大学城家附近的甜甜圈店工作。
And then I worked at the donut shop by my house in University City in San Diego.
我每天得赶在上学前到店，赶在搭校车去高中或初中之前。
And I would take my job was to get there before school and before I had to get on the bus to go to high school or junior high school, I guess.
我的任务是拿刮板把地上沾的糖霜刮干净——做甜甜圈上糖霜的时候，地上总会洒得到处都是。
And I would take a a scraper and scrape the glaze off of the floor that the doughnuts you know, when they were glazing the doughnuts, there would be this glaze all over the floor.
每天上学前，我都要把地上的糖霜刮干净，这就是我的工作。
And I would scrape the glaze off of the floor, and that was my job every morning before school.
之后我又回到我妈的店里帮忙，然后申请了美国航空的空乘职位。
And I then worked at my mom's store again, and then I applied to be a flight attendant for American Airlines.
那是一份很棒的工作。
And that was an amazing job.
但现在回想起来，我从那份工作中学到了很多。
But looking back on that, I learned so much from that job.
我每做一件事，都学到了超强的组织能力、人际交往能力和社交智慧，还有一些别的技能，比如怎么倒出一杯完美的咖啡，怎么服务顾客，怎么跟人打交道——做服务行业真的特别有挑战性。
So every single thing I did, I learned enormous organizational skills and people skills and social intelligence and, you know, some other skills like how to pour a great cup of coffee and how to, you know, serve people and how to interact with people and personal service business is incredibly demanding.
现在再看那些做这行的人，我的眼光完全不一样了，特别敬佩这种职业。
You know, and now I look at all of the people in that kind of a business a different way and have so much respect for that kind of a career.
一路上，我学到了很多与人相处的本事。
But I learned a lot along the way of how to deal with people.
我觉得，从年轻时就开始工作，一直坚持到现在，我学到了不少东西，很多都是你根本想不到会对以后人生有帮助的。
And I think that working from a young age and continuing up to this day, I learned a thing or two about so many different things that you wouldn't think would apply to later in life.
你举几个例子说说。
Tell me some of this.
比如说组织能力，怎么管理日程、守时、提前十五分钟到岗，怎么跟老板谈条件，怎么争取自己应得的东西。
You know, well, just, I mean, organizational skills for one and how to keep calendars and how to be on time and how to be 15 early and how to negotiate and how to get what you think you want or deserve from an employer.
我经常说，如果有人拒绝你，那说明你找错人了。
I I know one of my things I talk about is if somebody says no, you're talking to the wrong person.
比如当年申请美国航空的航班排班，要是那三个人都拒绝我，我就换一个人，使出浑身解数，用尽所有理由说服对方，就为了能飞去洛杉矶见我想见的人。
And I learned that if I got a no from these three people in scheduling, for example, with American Airlines, then I would go to another person and, you know, try my best charm, you know, that I could possibly think of, you know, of what were all the reasons why I should fly this flight to get to LA, you know, to see who I wanted to see.
年轻时做各种工作，真的能慢慢磨炼出很多宝贵的生活技能，尤其是在职场里，这太了不起了。
And you just hone different life skills at the different things you do at a young age, especially in the workforce, and it's really amazing.
你永远猜不到人生会带你去哪，但有时候，最意想不到的经历反而成了你这辈子学到的最重要一课。
You never quite know what or where life is gonna lead you and where it's gonna be the best lesson you ever learned.
是的。
Yeah.
所以你要做的，就是别设期待，而是全心去感受和吸收每一件事。
And that's what just to expect nothing but breathe in everything.
我当时就像一块海绵，只能放手去接受这一切，你懂我的意思吧。
Like, just like, I was so I was like a sponge, and I think I just had to surrender to the process, if you know what I mean.
我本能地意识到，自己正走在一条学习的路上，一定要把每一次经历都榨出最大的价值。
It's it was just like I knew instinctively, I'm on a learning journey, and I'm going to get the most out of these experiences that I possibly could
对。
Mhmm.
那时候的事。
At the time.
我当时就知道。
And I knew that.
我真的在理智上、在那一刻就明白了。
I really did know that intelligently and in the moment.
我不知道为什么，但就是觉得必须专心留意。
And I don't know why, but I just knew I had to pay attention.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得你所说的对所有听的人都是一个非常重要的启示。
I think there's such an important lesson in what you're saying for everyone who's listening.
我觉得我们今天对很多年轻人造成了误导，总以为非要找到完美的工作，或者创办完美的公司才行。
I feel like we've done a disservice to a lot of young people today where we believe it's all about finding the perfect job or launching the perfect company.
没错。
Right.
但根据你的经历，你说的是：从卖蜡烛的店学到很多，从刮地板釉料学到很多，从当空乘也学到很多。
And actually from your experience what you're saying is, learned a lot from the candle store, I learned a lot from scraping glaze on floors, I learned a lot from being a flight attendant.
这些经历虽然不是你理想中的工作或完美人生，却都成了非常宝贵的教训，塑造了如今强大的你
It's like each of these experiences, even though they weren't your perfect job or your ideal life, were really valuable lessons that have made you the powerful
太了不起了。
Oh, incredible.
这些经历塑造了当时的我，也贯穿了之后每一个十年。
It developed who I am and was at that time and then came to be all through each decade.
随着人生一路走来，经历起起落落、各种磨砺，我越来越相信，这些事不仅让我成长，也让我坚信一切发生都有它的意义。
And the more I, you know, went through life and was knocked down or brought up or had, you know, experiences and and and had these things that I went through, I think added to but I also believe that everything happens for a reason.
我很有灵性。
I'm very spiritual.
每做一件事之前，我都会祈祷。
I pray about everything before I do it.
这一点我很小的时候就学会了。
And I learned that a lot about that from a very young age.
它在我人生的高光时刻，也在那些艰难时刻，给了我很大的支持。
And it just really has helped me through so many great times and so many, you know, challenging times.
但我觉得，这一十年里，我已经站在了一个充满感恩的位置上。
But I also think that I come from a place now in this decade of great gratitude.
我觉得，不是每个人都能每天体会到这种感觉。
And I think that's what people don't, always experience daily.
对我来说，这是一段不断学习的过程。
I think it's been a learning experience for me.
当然，我心怀感激。
Of course, I'm grateful.
我感激生命中的一切，感激我拥有这么美好的家庭，真的再无所求。
Of course, I have gratitude for everything that I my life is this beautiful life with my beautiful family, and I couldn't ask for more.
但真正有意识地保持感恩，是我过去几年一直在努力的事——我试着更活在当下，因为我们都太容易分心了，人人都跑得太快，我觉得大家都需要慢下来。
But to really be conscious of being grateful has been something I've worked on for the last few years and try to be more present because we can be so easily distracted with and and everybody's going so fast, and I feel like everybody needs to slow down.
对。
Mhmm.
你明白吗？
You know?
是的
Yeah.
太快了。
It's so fast.
我看到年轻一代，但我说的是凯莉和肯德尔之后那一代年轻人。
And I I see the younger generation But I think the the younger one then the next one down from Kendall and Kylie.
我都记不得他们叫什么了。
I don't remember even what they're called anymore.
对。
Yeah.
Z世代和Alpha世代。
Gen z and Gen alpha.
明白了。
Okay.
Alpha世代。
Alpha.
是的
Yeah.
Alpha一代
Alpha.
我想应该是Alpha一代吧
I guess it's alpha.
肯德尔和凯莉是Z世代，我
Kendall and Kylie are Gen z, I
对，没错
think, just Right.
对
Right.
我觉得是Alpha一代
I think the Jen alpha.
我真希望你能慢下来，好好感受当下，因为我一直在这方面挺挣扎的
It's like I I wish you could just slow down and experience and be in the moment a little bit more because I always struggled with that.
我总是忙着奔向下一件事，总在期待下一个目标。
I always onto the next, something to look forward to.
各种干扰无处不在。
That distractions are everywhere.
结果你就感受不到自己正在经历的一切了，光顾着拍照录视频了。
And so then you don't feel what you're living through or going through, and we're so busy taking photos of it or videos of it.
我们根本没坐下来好好体会或享受当下。
We don't sit and feel it or enjoy it.
我前几天刚去了那个球形剧场，当时我在想，我到底看到了什么——
I remember I went to the Sphere the other night, and I was What did
你看到什么了？
you see?
《绿野仙踪》。
Wizard of Oz.
哇，真厉害。
Oh, wow.
我想去看看。
I wanna see that.
真的很棒，我当时和女朋友一起去的。说起来，我第一次看《绿野仙踪》的时候才八九岁，那时候我记住了，也特别享受。
It's really And I was there with my girlfriend, and I I now mind you, I was 10 years old or nine years eight something when I the first time I saw The Wizard of Oz and or that I remembered it and enjoyed it.
我已经看过不下十万遍了，根本没必要拍什么视频。
And I've seen it a 100,000 times, So I didn't need to video anything.
我对这部电影的内容了如指掌。
I knew what the movie was about.
我到底在干嘛？
Like, what am I doing?
我突然意识到，我为什么要把整个过程都拍下来？
And I caught myself and I why am I filming this whole thing?
我想静下心来，好好感受一下。
Like, I wanna sit and experience it.
这其实就是一个很好的例子，说明我们很多人活着的时候，总想着把每个瞬间都记录下来，却忘了其实只要慢下来，就能真正体会到当下。
And that's just a good example of how I think that a lot of us go through life is trying to capture the moment when we can just slow down and feel the moment.
是的。
Yeah.
你知道，我也希望我和我的家人能这样，因为我们确实很容易分心。
You know, and that's what I I want for me and my family because we do get very distracted.
对。
Mhmm.
时间过得真快，一眨眼就没了。
And it goes by so quickly in a heartbeat.
我觉得，到了我这个年纪，真想大声告诉所有人：放慢脚步，珍惜每一刻，因为一不留神，一切就都过去了。
And I think that's what when you're my age, you wanna scream that from the top of a You know, everybody slow down and enjoy every second because all of a sudden it's gone.
不过，每个人终究得自己去领悟。
And and, you know, everybody has to figure it out for themselves.
但我真心希望，因为我经历了这么多不同的年代，每隔几年就能有新的体悟。
But that I wish, you know, because I've had all these different decades to compare it to and have a different perspective every so often, every few years.
这是我给自己的一条提醒。
That's one of my notes to note to self.
就试着好好享受，别被那些杂音打扰。
Just try to enjoy it and not get distracted by the noise.
是的。
Yeah.
因为杂音实在太多了。
Because there's a lot of noise.
本集节目由eBay赞助播出。
This episode is brought to you by eBay.
我小时候，家里楼梯旁挂着一幅画。
When I was growing up, there was this piece of art that hung in our home right by the staircase.
我每天都会从它面前走过。
I'd walk past it every single day.
那时候我根本没怎么在意它。
At the time, I didn't think much of it.
它就那样挂在那儿。
It was just there.
但当我搬出去后，我才意识到那件作品对我有多重要。
But when I moved away, I started to realize how much that piece meant to me.
它让我想起家人一起吃饭、欢笑，还有在家里的那份温暖。
It reminded me of my family dinners, laughter, and the warmth of being home.
它渐渐成了我心中一种安静的慰藉和归属感的象征。
It became this quiet symbol of comfort and belonging.
岁月流逝，不知什么时候，那幅画竟然不见了。
Years went by, and somewhere along the way, that artwork got lost.
我以为这辈子再也见不到它了。
I assumed I'd never see it again.
但有一天，我心血来潮，上网搜了一下。
But one day, on a whim, I searched for it online.
结果真的找到了，就在eBay上，和原来一模一样的那幅画。
And there it was, the exact same piece on eBay.
当它寄到时，我打开盒子，捧在手里，只是静静地看着它，站了好一会儿。
When it arrived, I took it out of the box and I just stood there for a moment looking at it.
那一刻，我仿佛把童年的部分重新带回了生活里。
It felt like I'd brought a piece of my childhood back into my life.
真不可思议，一件东西竟能承载这么多情感和回忆。
It's amazing how an object can carry so much emotion, so much memory.
有时候，重要的不是我们买了什么，而是它唤回了什么。
Sometimes it's not about what we buy, but what it brings back to us.
那些人，那些地方，那些以为早已失去的感觉。
The people, the places, the feelings we thought we'd lost.
这就是我喜欢 eBay 的原因。
That's what I love about eBay.
它不只是找东西，更是重新发现回忆， reconnect 以前的自己，让这些故事在今天依然活在我们的家里。
It's not just about finding things, it's about rediscovering memories, reconnecting with who we were, and keeping those stories alive in our homes today.
上 eBay 挑选数百万件好物，每一件都有它的故事。
Shop eBay for millions of finds, each with a story.
eBay，人们珍爱之物。
EBay, things people love.
旺达，你现在多重啊？
How much you weigh, Wanda?
我现在大概一百三十磅。
Right now, I'm about one thirty.
我有一百八十三磅了。
I'm at one eighty three.
咱们比比谁跑得快吧。
We should race.
不了。
No.
我想离开这儿的时候，还是原来的胯骨。
I wanna leave here with my original hips.
在播客《与阿莉雅的对决》里，我会把知名女运动员和一些意想不到的嘉宾配对。
On the podcast, The Matchup with Aaliyah, I pair prominent female athletes with unexpected guests.
最近一期，我邀请了无争议的拳王克莱尔萨·希尔斯和喜剧演员旺达·赛克斯，聊了聊旺达的新电影《垫底者》、嘴炮的艺术，还有什么叫真正的‘淑女’。
On a recent episode, I sat down with undisputed boxing champ, Claressa Shields, and comedian Wanda Sykes to talk about Wanda's new movie, Undercard, the art of trash talk, and what it really means to be ladylike.
打开免费的 iHeartRadio 应用，搜索《The Matchup with Aaliyah》，现在就收听吧。
Open your free iHeartRadio app, search the matchup with Aaliyah, and listen now.
本节目由诺华公司赞助，iHeart 女性体育网络创始合作伙伴。
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.
嗨，美人儿。
Hello, gorgeous.
我是《Untraditionally La la》的主持人，La la Kent。
It's La la Kent, host of Untraditionally La la.
我可能不再给先生们端茶倒水了，但在这片山谷里，我依然活得有滋有味。
My days of filling up cups at sir may be over, but I'm still loving life in the valley.
翻过那座山后的生活确实有了成熟的味道，可在我这档播客《Untraditionally La la》里，我还是那个你要么爱死、要么恨透的 La la。
Life on the other side of the hill is giving grown up vibes, but over here on my podcast, Untraditionally La la, I'm still that La la you either love or love to hate.
我一直在向粉丝、家人，还有以前的死对头汤姆·施瓦茨，毫无保留地掏心窝子。
I've been full on oversharing with fans, family, and former frenemies like Tom Schwartz.
我曾经
I had
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有点事儿想跟你说道说道
a little bone to pick
就是你上节目那会儿，跟施瓦茨。
with Schwartzie when he came on the pod.
你就不觉得愧疚吗？居然说我是个冒牌主妇？
You don't feel bad that you told me I was a bootleg housewife?
我差点把一块披萨扣你身上。
I almost flipped a pizza in your lap.
我当时
I was
气得不行。
so pissed.
我压根儿把这事儿忘了，直到刚才才想起来。
I literally forgot about that until just now.
抱歉。
Sorry.
我不打算把这一切都怪到别人头上。
I don't wanna I don't wanna blame all of that.
这件事得归咎于那次全员通话。
I gotta blame that one on the all call.
这关乎笑对生活、从错误中学习，因为我犯错，就是为了不让你们再犯。
This is about laughing and learning when life just keeps on lifing because I make mistakes so that you guys don't have to.
我们在成长，我们在茁壮，没错，有时也 just 挣扎着活下去，但这一切都充满爱。
We're growing, we're thriving, and, yes, sometimes we're barely surviving, but we do it all with love.
这事儿乱糟糟的。
It's unruly.
这事儿无所畏惧。
It's unafraid.
这事儿跟传统的拉拉不一样。
It's untraditionally La la.
在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客，或者你常用的任何播客平台收听《非传统拉拉》。
Listen to untraditionally La la on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
2023年，前《单身汉》明星克莱顿·艾卡德卷入了一起亲子纠纷丑闻。
In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckard found himself at the center of a paternity scandal.
随后的家事法庭听证会暴露了她证词中的诸多矛盾之处。
The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story.
这引发了一场长达数年的诉讼，只为查明真相。
This began a years long court battle to prove the truth.
你在出售这份检测报告时，两次篡改过数据，对吧？
You doctored this particular test twice in selling, correct?
我只篡改过一次。
I doctored the test once.
最终，是一群网络侦探联手才揭开了这个案子的真相。
It took an army of Internet detectives to crack the case.
我想让公众清楚自己的税款到底被用在了哪里。
I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for.
阳光是最好的消毒剂。
Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant.
他们发现了一个令人不安的模式。
They would uncover a disturbing pattern.
还有另外两个男人，经历了同样的事。
Two more men who'd been through the same thing.
格雷格·吉尔克里斯特和迈克尔·曼吉尼。
Greg Gillespie and Michael Mangini.
我简直震惊了。
My mind was blown.
我是斯蒂芬妮·杨。
I'm Stephanie Young.
欢迎收听《爱情陷阱》。
This is Love Trap.
劳拉，斯科茨代尔警局。
Laura, Scottsdale police.
随着剧情推进，劳拉·欧文斯终于付出了代价。
As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.
各位听众，马里科帕县传来最新消息，劳拉·欧文斯已被起诉涉嫌欺诈。
Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Maricopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges.
在亚利桑那州实现正义之前，这件事不会结束。
This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona.
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Listen to Loved Trapped podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
你让我想起一个我特别喜欢的冥想方法，当我被外界噪音搅得心烦意乱时，我就用它，特别简单，叫‘54321’。先看看你能看到的五样东西。
You were making me think about, there's a meditation practice that I love that I practice when I feel I'm disturbed by the noise and it's really simple, it's called 54,321 And it's, let me look at the five things I can see.
你就环顾四周，留意那些颜色、纹理、形状和视觉细节。
So you look around this memory and you look at the colors and the textures and the shapes and the visuals.
比如《绿野仙踪》里的场景，然后是四样你能摸到的东西。
Wizard of Oz and then four things you can touch.
可能是女儿的手，也可能是妈妈的手，也可能是你身上衣服的布料，感受它的触感——是光滑还是粗糙；接着是三样你能听到的声音，两样你能闻到的气味，还有一样你能尝到的味道。
So it could be your daughter's hand or your mother's hand, it could be the clothes you're wearing, the texture that you can feel, whether it's smooth or harsh, then it's three things you can hear, two things you can smell and one thing you can taste.
天啊，真棒。
Oh wow.
每当我做这个练习，只要想起某个特别的时刻——比如去年我去不丹，当时我正在教别人这个冥想方法——今天我闭上眼睛，还能立刻回到那个地方。
And anytime I've ever done this and I was thinking about a particular moment, went to Bhutan last year and I was actually teaching this meditation, I can close my eyes today and be back in that place in Bhutan.
我真的很喜欢这个说法。
Oh, I love that.
因为那种感觉太真实了，你全身心地投入进去了。没错，就是要让这种感受真正沉淀下来，你说得一点都没错。
Because it was so real because you took it in and so, yeah to really let it sink in, it's such a, you're absolutely right.
你知道吗，像我这个年纪的人，看法不太一样。我22岁那年就结婚了，23岁生了考特尼，之后的事儿就顺其自然了。
Well you know I think somebody of my age has a different perspective because I spent, you know, when I was 22 years old, I got married, and '23 had Courtney, and, you know, the rest is history.
但那时候连手机都没有。
But I there were no cell phones.
对。
Mhmm.
连电脑都没有。
There wasn't a computer.
更别说笔记本电脑了。
There wasn't a laptop.
那时候也没有iPad。
There wasn't an iPad.
手机里也没有音乐播放器。
There wasn't music on a little box.
要是想打电话，得走到厨房，拿起那个塑料电话拨号。
There wasn't if you wanted to talk to somebody on the phone, you had to walk into the kitchen and dial a plastic telephone.
想了解电影排片，就得拨个号码，查一下哪家影院在放什么片子。
And if you wanted to know what was it, the movies, you dialed a number, like, whatever it was, and you found out what was playing at the movies.
想知道几点了，就得拨555-1212，我记得好像是这个号码。
And if you wanted to know what time it was, you dialed I think it was 555-1212.
要是真记对了，我可得高兴坏了。
And if that's right, I will be so excited about my memory.
但那时候，日子就是不一样。
But it was, you know, a different time.
现在呢，太多东西都能立刻满足你。
And today, with so many things that just supply instant gratification.
这真的特别诱人。
It's extremely seductive.
我经常在想，世界变得完全不同了，但进步也真是巨大，太了不起了。
And I think that it's it's something like I think about it all the time and I think what a different world, but yet such progress, such amazing.
我们生活的这个世界，真是又疯狂又精彩。
The the world we live in is wild and amazing.
我小时候，曾经看过《杰森一家》。
I mean, when I was a young girl, a little girl, I used to watch The Jetsons.
对啊。
Mhmm.
我记得《杰森一家》。
I remember The Jetsons.
我有点儿记得那部动画。
I kinda remember that.
那时候动画里暗示，到2020年，我们就能开着飞车在城市里穿梭了。
And it was sort of intimating that by the year 2020, we would be flying in cars around, you know, the city.
是的
Yeah.
你知道，到时候路上根本不会再有传统意义上的汽车了。
You know, we wouldn't even have cars that were on the road anymore.
所以我们差不多已经实现了。
And so, you know, we're almost there.
对
Yeah.
差不多了。
Almost.
差不多了。
Almost.
但以前我们总想象那样的现代世界，现在它真的来了。
But it you know, we used to imagine this modern world and here we are.
所以这真的让人非常兴奋。
So it's very exciting.
但你永远不知道接下来会发生什么。
But you never know what's gonna happen next.
我的意思是，我确实有点担心。
I mean, I I I worry a little bit.
我特别担心我的孙子孙女和社交媒体，这让我挺害怕的，因为那里面太阴暗了。
I worry a lot about my grandchildren and social media that scares me a bit because it can be so dark.
我真希望他们能接触到事物中最美好的一面。
And I really want them to have the best parts of anything.
我的意思是，人生本来就有好有坏。
I mean, in life, there's good and bad.
但这次不一样，我真的很担心这一点。
But in this case, you know, I worry about that.
我就希望他们能好好的，我觉得他们妈妈们——我所有的孩子都很负责任，一直在控制孩子的屏幕时间之类的。
I just want them to and I think their moms, you know, all my kids are really responsible about trying to control screen time and all of that.
但情况已经不一样了。
But it's different.
这是个完全不同的世界。
It's a different place.
是的。
Yeah.
噪音太多了。
There's a lot of noise.
没错。
Absolutely.
对。
Yeah.
你快七十岁了。
You're approaching your seventieth birthday.
是的。
Yeah.
这真让人兴奋。
Which is so exciting.
是的
Uh-huh.
这真是一个了不起的里程碑。
And what an incredible milestone.
你这一阶段的人生该怎么称呼呢？
What's this chapter of your life called?
如果要给它起个名字，你会叫它什么？
If you can name it, what would it be called?
天哪。
Oh my goodness.
最好的。
The best.
最棒的阶段。
The best chapter.
我很开心能在这里，拥有这么美好的家庭，好好享受这段旅程。
The I'm happy to be here and to really have this beautiful family and just enjoy the ride.
就像我说的，能在这个时候、这个地方好好活着，我从家人身上学到了很多，尤其是我奶奶和妈妈，她们都工作到了八十多岁。
Because like I said, just to be present at at this time and place, I did learn a lot from my family, from my grandmother and my mom who both worked until they were in their eighties.
我当时就惊叹，真的太了不起了。
And I saw Wow.
是的。
Yeah.
这太了不起了。
That's incredible.
我妈妈常说，她八十二岁才退休，她总说这份工作让她一直很有目标感。
And my mom often says she retired when she was 82, and she often says that really kept her so purposeful.
我们都希望找到这样充满意义的人生。
And we all wanna find that life of purpose.
对。
Mhmm.
但对她来说，这不仅给了她极大的目标感，也带来了深深的快乐。
But for her, it gave her great purpose, and it great gave her great joy.
是的
Mhmm.
她每天都对自己的工作感到非常满足，我觉得，当一个人有规律、有安排，生活中有期待的事情，觉得自己被需要、被重视、有贡献的时候，
She was so satisfied with the work she did every day and got to you know, I think when somebody has structure and has a schedule and has something to look forward to and has something like that in their life and feels needed and wanted And useful.
有贡献。
And useful.
那是一种特别好的感觉。
And that's a very good feeling.
我觉得，这条路就是我将来要走的。
And I think that's that's the road I'm gonna go down.
我就想，嗯，一直干下去，
I just wanna, you know, be
所以你最近是不打算退休了。
So you're not retiring anytime soon.
这真是
This is
永远不会。
Never.
对。
Yeah.
永远不会。
Never.
不会。
No.
我热爱我所做的事，我经常说，如果没有全家一起参与、共同支持，这一切不会这么顺利。
I love what I do and I often say, this wouldn't be as easy without my entire family and doing what we do together.
你知道，很多人在娱乐业或媒体行业工作，事业很成功，但都是一个人打拼，家里没人做这一行。
Because, you know, there's a lot of people out there that have, you know, a job in entertainment or in the media or whatever it is, and they have a big career and they do it by themselves, and they're the only one in their family
对。
Yeah.
家里就他一个人干这行。
Who has that kind of a career, that kind of a job.
我心想，要是只有我一个人，那该有多孤单啊。
And I thought, how lonely it would be if there was just one of us.
是的。
Yeah.
那真的会很难。
It would be so hard.
对啊。
Mhmm.
所以我觉得自己特别幸运，有这么棒的一家人，充满爱与支持，让我的生活变得格外温馨。
And so I feel super blessed that I have this incredibly fabulous family and all this love and support, and it's it makes it really a very sweet life.
是的。
Yeah.
真是特别特别特别的。
What a what a what a special special
非常特别。
Very special.
拥有这样的家庭，真是一种成就。
Achievement to have that.
我注意到，和你们相处这么久，之前金、克洛伊和肯德尔都坐过这个位置，为你们做准备，你是怎么做到的？
How have you you know, one thing I've noticed spending time with all of you and having, as I said earlier, Kim, Chloe and Kendall have all sat in this chair preparing it for you.
家人之间充满了爱，当然还有彼此调侃、斗嘴的乐趣，那种氛围真的很特别。
There's such a love between everyone in the family and of course there's the fun of the, what's the right word, the fun of the teasing each other and the banter.
但归根结底，这份爱是真实而纯粹的，一眼就能看出来。
But at the core of it, it's so evident that there's love and it's real and genuine.
你们是怎么营造出一种氛围，让竞争不变成坏事，而让每个人的成长成为共同目标？
How do you create a family in which competition isn't a negative thing and growth is everyone's focus?
因为放眼全世界，六兄弟姐妹的家庭很少见，通常两个孩子都算多的，而且往往一个特别有野心，另一个却只想躲起来，可你们家每个人都有自己的追求。
Because I think what we see across the world is, you know, you have six children but it's like people may have two and then you have one person who really ambitious and driven and one person who just wants to hide away whereas you've got a family of people who are all ambitious in different ways.
每个人都有自己独特的兴趣和热情，都在尽全力去实现，这真的特别美好。
They all have their own fascinations, their own passions and they're pursuing it to the best of their ability which is such a beautiful thing to see.
你们是怎么培养出这种氛围的？
How how do you create that energy?
这需要些什么呢？
What what does that require?
我觉得，他们小时候就从爸爸、我，还有继父、家人和朋友身上学到了很多。
I think first of all, when they were very young, I think they learned so much from the examples set by their dad or just myself in different areas, their stepdad, their family, their friends.
我们一直有一大群亲密的家人朋友，我想他们一直在观察，也看到了很多好的榜样。
And we've always had a huge group of family friends, and I think they watch and had great examples set before them.
但我觉得，我最重要、最坚定的愿望，也是他们能取得成功的关键，就是一路帮助他们找到真正在乎的东西和真正热爱的事。
But I think that one of my biggest and strongest desires and my path to, the success that they've had is just really helping them along the way identify what was really important to them and they were passionate about.
我们试过无数种可能，像往墙上扔意大利面一样。
And we threw a lot of spaghetti at the wall.
真的，我说真的。
Believe me.
那会儿简直乱成一团。
It was it was crazy.
但当他们终于找到自己的方向、热情，以及那些他们愿意拥抱、由衷高兴的机会时——
But when they finally found their their destiny, their passion, their the opportunities that came their way that they wanted to embrace and were so happy about.
你就是能感觉到，当某件事是对的时候。
I you just feel when something's right.
每次看到有人找到了属于自己的方向，我都特别开心。
And that that makes me really happy every time I felt like somebody found their their their thing.
他们的热情如此强烈，以至于能全心投入，全力以赴，那份坚持和精力真的让人佩服。
You know, their their passion was was that strong that they were able to really make this something they wanted to focus on and the determination, the energy they put into it.
他们的敬业精神无可挑剔，每天五点就起床，去健身房锻炼，照顾好自己的健康，同时还要带孩子、操持家务、去上班。
Their work ethic is second to none, and they would get up with this, you know, passion every day, you know, getting up at five and, you know, getting into the gym and taking care of their their health and their well-being and then at the same time having kids, raising children, getting to work.
他们都有极强的专注力和决心，同时也有很好的条理性。
You know, it's just they all have such focus and determination, but they also have great structure.
他们做事有条不紊，还能在忙碌中找到内心的平静，我觉得这特别重要。
They're organized, and then they learn how to find their peace at the same time, which I think is really important.
这一点，柯特妮特别擅长，她也教会了我们其他人。
And I think that's something that Courtney's really good at that, and she's taught the rest of us.
你想想，等等再说。
You know, like, wait a second.
你知道，你也得在这一切中找到平静，保护好自己的内心。
You know, there's you've gotta, you know, find the peace in all of it too and protect your soul.
对。
Yeah.
你说是吧？
You know?
这真的非常重要。
So that's been really, really important.
我觉得就是大家互相支持、彼此鼓励。
I think it's just working together, encouraging one another.
只要有人成功了，不管是什么样的成就，我们都会为他感到由衷的高兴。
And when someone is successful, we're all so excited for that person's success no matter how it comes.
有时候可能只是很小的事，不是每件事都能带来大变化，但哪怕是一个微小的进展，我们也会为彼此开心。
And it could be the smallest little you know, not everything moves a needle, and it can be the smallest little win and we get really happy for each other.
比如昨晚我染了金发，今天早上我所有孩子都冲我喊：妈妈！
Like last night when I was blonde, all of my kids this morning were screaming, mom.
然后金问我：‘你染头发了？’
And then Kim goes, did you dye your hair?
我说：‘是啊。’
And I said, yes.
其实我没染，但让她误会了好一阵子。
Of course, I didn't dye my hair, but I had her going for a while.
今天早上我们还在商量，到底是染金发还是黑发。
We were we were trying to figure out this morning whether we're gonna get blonde hair or black hair.
对。
Yeah.
一起工作真有意思。
So it's fun to work together.
一起面对挑战也挺有意思的。
It's fun to, you know, go through challenges together.
没错。
Mhmm.
一起经历特别糟糕的时光很难受，但因为我们在一起，这很重要。
It's awful to go through really bad times together, but we're together so it's important.
是的。
Yeah.
而且当我们为彼此哪怕是最小的事、最大的事庆祝时，那种感觉真好。
And it's, you know, when we get to celebrate each other over the smallest things or the biggest things.
我觉得孩子们只是真心为对方高兴。
I think the kids are just happy for each other.
他们之间根本没什么嫉妒，这让我特别自豪。
And there really isn't any jealousy, which makes me really proud.
你明白吧？
You know?
他们有什么不开心的事，或者有什么话要说，都会直接说出来，声音还特别大。
The and they're very vocal and loud when something bugs them or when something needs to be said.
别担心。
Don't you worry.
有时候，他们是我脑子里最响亮的声音。
They're they're my loudest voice at times in my head.
但我想，我们大家都是真心为彼此高兴。
But we all I think we're just all happy for one another.
我们知道，这一切都是我们一起在做的。
And we know we're doing this together.
我家里有谁成功了，就好像给整个家都镀上了一层光。
And somebody's success in my family is sort of a halo effect.
对。
Mhmm.
我觉得这对每个人都有好处。
I feel like it is good for everyone
对。
Mhmm.
尤其是从事业的角度来说，但更重要的是，对我们每个人来说都特别好，因为我们能亲眼看着彼此成长、兴旺、蜕变，不断进步。
And, you know, especially business wise, but it's just really good for all of us personally because we get to see each other grow and thrive and evolve and and elevate different things.
我们会互相给对方写便条。
Like, we'll get notes to each other.
明白了。
Okay.
这次聊得真不错。
Well, this was great.
但如果你只这么做，效果会好得多。
But if you only did this, it would be so much better.
所以每个人都会在旁边指手画脚。
So everybody, you know, is a backseat driver.
是的。
Yeah.
那你怎么称呼这种人呢？
Or what what do you call it?
场边指挥的教练。
Sideline quarterback.
是的
Yeah.
人人都在评论别人的事。
Everybody's weighing in on everybody else's stuff.
所以挺有意思的。
So it's fun.
这就让我们成了自己一个小圈子，你知道的，我有十三个孙子孙女。
It makes it a we're our own little you know, we have I have 13 grandchildren.
想想看，这么多人都在一块儿。
Imagine, that's a lot of humans.
我们有个特别棒的小世界，彼此特别用心，也很忠诚，总想在家庭时光里营造出那份宁静。
And we have an amazing little, you know, bubble that we live in and that we are so dedicated to one another and very loyal and looking for that peace that we can surround ourself with when we can with family time.
对。
Yeah.
我只是想说，做到这一点真的不容易。
I just wanted to acknowledge how how hard it is to do that.
真的很难。
It's hard.
要营造一个没有竞争、不嫉妒、不攀比的家庭氛围，实在太不容易了。
It's so hard to be able to create a non competitive, non envious, non jealous family space system.
对你来说，这并不容易。
Think for you, it's not easy.
不管是自然形成的，还是靠经历磨难才做到的，这恐怕都是人这一生能取得的最重要的成就了。
Whether it's happened naturally because of all these great values or whether it's happened through hardship, it's probably the most significant achievement that one could ever have is
真美好。
It's lovely.
真的特别美好。
It really is lovely.
我为他们能这样互相支持感到无比骄傲。
And I'm so proud of them for being there.
只要有人遇到困难，或者需要帮忙，大家都会立刻伸出援手。
And if somebody gets into trouble or somebody, you know, needs help with anything, everyone is right there to jump in Yeah.
而且要让这一切都变得自然顺畅。
And make it okay.
有趣的是，他们非常忠诚，也很有保护欲，彼此之间充满爱意。
And it's it's interesting that, you know, they're very very loyal and very protective, and they surround each other with a lot of love.
他们还是出色的父母，这无疑是最大的礼物。
And the fact that they're also amazing parents is the biggest gift.
我看着我儿子有了女儿，除了肯德尔，其他人都有了孩子，你知道的。
I watch them as my son has a daughter, and, everyone except for Kendall has a, you know Yeah.
都有儿子、女儿，或者两者都有。
Has a son or a daughter or both.
他们都是出色的父母。
And they're amazing parents.
我常常坐着看他们，比如凯莉、克洛伊，还有金、罗布、考特尼，看他们和孩子在一起的样子，我全都在心里默默感受。
And I often sit and tell them I'll sit and watch Kylie or Chloe, all of them, Kim, Rob, Courtney, but I watch them with their kids, and I just take it all in.
我总会想，天啊，真希望我当年也能当个这么好的父母。
And I say, god, I wish I would have been this good as a parent
和你在一起。
With you.
和你在一起。
With you.
是的。
Yeah.
因为我觉得他们把这件事做到了另一个境界。
Because I feel like they take it to another level.
我这辈子从来没看过这么令人惊叹的事。
I've never seen anything so amazing literally in my life.
我经常跟我妈聊这个。
I talk to my mom about it all the time.
我会说，你敢信他们是怎么做到这些的吗？
I go, can you believe the way they do this and that and the other?
我和我妈都对他们当父母的本事佩服得不得了。
And my mom and I are in awe of what great parents they are.
而且我觉得，经常有人问我，你们是怎么跟孩子保持这么亲近的？
And I think they are you know, people ask me all the time, how do we keep our kids as close?
或者我该怎么做到，我觉得关键就是花时间，关注对的事情，还有怎么陪孩子，让他们知道，我永远不会在他们十八岁生日那天把他们赶出家门。
Or how do I and I think it's just the time you spend and what you focus on and the way that you, you know, spend time with your kids and and show them that you're never going to you you know, I didn't have kids to on their eighteenth birthday, kick them out of the house.
我女朋友以前总说，你太心软了。
My girlfriend used to say, you're too nice.
你知道，你不是他们的朋友。
You know, you're not their friend.
你是他们的妈妈。
You're their mother.
我看着她，说：哦，不是这样的。
And I looked at her and I said, oh, no.
我是他们的朋友，因为他们总有一天会十八岁，我不想被排除在他们精彩的人生之外——我想和他们一起走过这段路。
I'm their friend because they're gonna be eighteen one day, and I'm not gonna be left out of this big beautiful life that, you know, that I wanna have with them.
你怎么去爱一个你并不认同的人？
How do you love someone that you don't agree with?
你怎么去爱一个和你有过一段没走到底的关系的人？
How do you love someone that you have something with that didn't work out?
顺便说一句，我这么说是因为我们私下聊过，你跟我讲过这些事，真的让我很震撼。
And by the way, I'm saying this because I've had private conversations with you where you've talked to me about these things and I'm blown away by it.
所以我就想，当事情没按你期待的方式发展时，你怎么还能爱这个人？
So I'm like, how do you love someone even when something hasn't worked out the way you want it to?
没错。
Right.
因为我知道这对你来说很深刻，这正是我想问的。
Because I know it's deep for you, that's what I'm asking.
对。
Yeah.
我觉得首先要从沟通开始。
I think you start with communication.
而且我觉得，只有通过沟通，才能真正感受到和理解对方。
And I think that's where you have to start to really feel and understand.
我要哭了。
I'm gonna cry.
不好意思。
Sorry.
我不明白自己为什么对这件事这么动情，但我觉得你得试着理解别人的立场。
I don't know why I'm emotional about this, but I think you just have to understand where somebody's coming from.
对不起，杰。
Sorry, Jay.
好的。
Okay.
有人有纸巾吗？
Is there a tissue, you guys?
有的。
Yeah.
我的意思是，我这儿有
I mean, I've got a
正弦波。
sinusoidal.
好的。
Okay.
我觉得我不太
I think I don't
知道为什么这触动这么大，但我认为关键在于沟通。
know why that hit so hard, but I think communication.
我觉得同理心是关键，这样才能真正体会到别人可能正在经历什么。
I think compassion is key into really feeling what somebody might be
正在经历的事情。
going through.
就算你不认同他们，只要曾经爱过，那这份爱就是真实的。
Even though you don't agree with them, if you once love them, then love is love.
你懂的吧？
You know?
我总是很容易爱上别人。
And I always fall in love with people.
但如果他们让你失望了，那确实挺难过的。
And then if they disappoint you, it sorry.
我不明白自己为什么哭了。
I don't know why I'm crying.
你听出来我说的是什么了吧？
See what I said?
其实它就藏在表面之下。
It's right there under the surface.
有时候你就是能懂我。
Sometimes you just get me.
我觉得沟通特别重要，我一向强调沟通。
But I think communication is I preach communication.
如果有人被误解了，我有时候就会激动起来，非得说清楚不可。
And I think if you if somebody's misunderstood, I get on a soapbox sometimes to try to say, no.
不对。
No.
不是这样的。
No.
你就是不明白。
You you just don't understand.
你懂吧？
You know?
事情根本不是这样的。
This didn't happen like this.
他们真不是那个意思。
And they really didn't mean it like this.
总是我
Or, you know, I'm always the one
去努力沟通、解释清楚。
who tries and communicates that.
但我觉得，
But I think,
天啊。
god.
我到底哪里出问题了？
What's wrong with me?
但我也觉得，如果你没有一颗敞开的心，只是固执地想理解别人，那你就会永远迷失，直到你愿意去看见、去原谅。
But I also think that compassion, if you don't have an open heart and you're stuck with trying to understand someone, you you will be lost forever until you can try and see and forgive.
对。
Mhmm.
我觉得，如果人们不能从宽恕的角度出发，就会永远困在原地。
And I think if people can't come from a place of forgiveness, then they'll be stuck forever.
你得愿意去理解一个人真正的处境和原因，所以我才会为那些曾经被忽视的人发声。
You know, you have to be open to understanding what someone else is truly all about and why I stand up for people who were the underdog at times.
看到他们被当成弱者，我真的很难过，总觉得有些人被严重误解了。
It makes me really sad that they're the underdog, and I feel like some people get really misunderstood.
我觉得我们都应该在彼此最需要的时候挺身而出。
And I think that we all need to stand up for each other, especially when we need it the most.
这来自于对话，来自于沟通，来自于同情，也来自于宽恕。
And that comes from a conversation, it comes from a communication, it comes from compassion, and it comes from forgiveness.
如果你学不会原谅别人——不管是他们的行为、言语还是举动——我女儿经常跟我说，我是个特别容易原谅别人的人。
And if you can't learn to forgive someone, whether it's their behavior, their words, their actions, you know, I'm a I think my kids tell me all the time of I'm a very forgiving person.
她说：妈，你这也太不可思议了。
Like, mom, you're it's wild.
人家那样对你，对你做过那种事，你都还能放下。
You're just like, this person treated you this way or that way, or you experienced this with this person.
我总是试着去理解，这一切是从哪儿来的。
And I try to see where it came from.
问题的根源到底在哪？
What is the root of this?
他们为什么会这样对待别人？
Why are they acting this way?
如果我改变不了，那就说明我控制不了。
And then again, if I can't change it, I can't control it.
我没法控制别人，或者他们的行为。
I can't control somebody else or their actions.
对吧？
Right?
你确实控制不了别人。
You can't control other people.
所以，你要么就别管它，要么就去争取，去解释，去沟通，然后选择原谅。
So, you know, you have to either ignore it, fight for it, help explain it, help communicate it, and forgive it.
对。
Mhmm.
我也不确定。
I don't know.
我也不知道还能怎么活，这就是我过日子的方式。
I I don't know how else that's how I live my life.
而且很多人其实都在挣扎，情况挺普遍的，
And if somebody you know, a lot of people are struggling, and there's a lot of,
你知道，真的很抱歉。
you know it's it's sorry.
让我稍等一下。
Just need a second.
对不起。
I'm sorry.
好的。
Okay.
有很多人正在为心理健康问题所困扰。
So there are a lot of people out there who struggle with their mental health.
我们有时候并不清楚真正的区别，因为我们无法进入他们的内心或身体去体会。
And we don't know sometimes what the difference is because we're not inside their brain or their body.
那我们又有什么资格去说，谁其实没那么痛苦，没那么生病，没那么难熬呢？
So who are we to say, you know, that somebody's not really struggling, sick, you know, having a hard time?
这种事情太多了。
And there's so much of that.
并不是每个人都能立刻得到答案和帮助。
Not really immediate answers and help for everybody.
有时候你实在想不明白，就会琢磨，别人到底是怎么应对这些的呢？
You know, when you can't figure it out sometimes, you think, how do how does everybody deal with this?
你知道吧。
You know?
所以我也说不准。
So that's I don't know.
我对那些家里有心理健康问题的人特别有同理心。
I I have a lot of compassion for people that are in a family where there's mental health issues.
这让我特别难过。
It makes me really sad.
是的。
Yeah.
这确实值得去支持和帮助，很高兴你提出来，因为这真的很重要。
It's something definitely trying to support and help and I'm glad you raised because it it's
哦，有时候听到别人在经历什么，哪怕我根本不认识他们，也会忍不住流泪。
Oh, makes me mean, I sometimes I, you know, hear about people or, you know, hear about what somebody's going through, and I literally don't even know them and I'm in tears.
这真的让我心碎，因为我们现在所处的处境就是这样。
And it it just breaks my heart because of the situation right now that we're in.
对啊。
Mhmm.
我觉得我们彼此还在加剧这种困境，网上的批评、负面情绪，还有很多人正在承受的痛苦，以及年轻人自杀的数字。
And I think we make it worse for one another, you know, the criticism, the negativity online, and, the struggle that a lot of people have, and the amount of suicide for young people.
是啊。
Yeah.
说真的，这太让人心痛了。
I mean, it it's truly heartbreaking.
我总听到这样的故事，真的让人特别难过。
And I hear stories, and it just really is so upsetting.
我心里也一直在想这个问题，真希望我们每个人都能多一点关爱，多互相支持。
And that it you know, I I struggle with that in my heart because I just wish there was more that we all could do just to love each other and be there for each other.
也许我们还能找到办法，做更多真正有帮助的事。
And maybe there was a way that we could help in a bigger way.
说实话，这确实让人很困惑。
You know, it's very confusing.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
我们节目刚请来了哈佛大学自杀预防部门的负责人。
We just I literally just had the head of suicide from Harvard on the show.
真的吗？
Really?
是的。
Yeah.
就在一个月前，我刚在节目里采访了他。
Just interviewed him maybe a month ago.
哇，真的吗？
Oh wow.
听他讲才知道，原来有心理问题或自杀念头的人，其实一直在努力寻求帮助。
On show and it was so illuminating to hear just how much help people with mental health or suicidal thoughts are even seeking.
但即便如此，那种压力有多大、负担有多重，真的让人感到沉重。
But even in that, just, yeah, just how like how hard it is and how heavy it is and I think Heavy.
确实很沉重。
Heavy.
这事儿让我心里特别压得慌，虽然我目前没有亲人或孩子正经历这样的困境。
It's so, it's heavy in my heart And I don't have an immediate, you know, child or or family member that's struggling with that at the moment.
但不知为什么，我总忍不住去想。其实我现在正集中精力了解不少其他议题，也在收集更多信息。
And I I think about it for some reason a great deal as if, you know, maybe there's some way to there's a lot of things, a lot of issues that I right now, I'm in the process of focusing on and getting more information on.
其中一个就是老年痴呆和阿尔茨海默病，所以我特别欣赏阿门医生，因为他是个非常棒的科普者。
One of them is dementia and Alzheimer's, and that's why I love doctor Amen so much because he's such an educator.
没错。
Absolutely.
但心理健康这件事让我特别困惑，因为我这一阶段的生活里，从未见过这么多人在受苦、在挣扎。
But the mental health thing is very confusing to me because it's so I don't feel like it my in the chapter I'm in in my life right now that I've ever experienced this volume of people that are hurting and struggling.
而且，是不是因为我们现在能通过互联网看到这一切，信息传播更广了，才觉得这么严重？
And, yeah, is it probably because our communication is enhanced with being able to see it all on the Internet and, you know, all of that?
但不管怎样，数量确实太多了。
But it's still a lot.
这真的让人压力很大。
And it does get very heavy.
这事儿压得我心里沉甸甸的。
And it heavy in my heart.
确实如此。
It does.
是的。
Yeah.
关于这一点，还是得亲自去感受才行。
Definitely offline about that to see.
确实如此。
Yeah.
说实话，我也有同样的感受。
You know, it's definitely I feel the same way.
所以我才邀请了哈佛的马修·诺克来参加。
It was why I invited Matthew Knock from Harvard on
我很高兴你这么想。
I'm to the so glad you
我完全同意你的看法。
did Because I couldn't agree with you more.
我听到了太多故事，了解到太多人的情况，他告诉我，他的一个朋友明明是无神论会的负责人，却还是自杀了。
I was just hearing so many stories and learning of so many people and he told me that his friend committed suicide even when he knew his friend was the head of No.
是啊，他当时正在研究这个课题。
Yeah, was studying that.
他就说，我真的没想到会这样。
Like so, and then he said, I just didn't know.
我们真的完全没察觉。
Like, we just didn't know.
没人知道。
No one knew.
没人知道。
No one knows.
没人知道。
No one knows.
这正是最令人心痛的地方。
So That's what the the tragic part of it is.
其实这种情况发生过很多次，比如我孩子朋友的父母，或者身边的人，总归隔不了多远。
And there's been so many times when, I mean, even, you know, parents of my, you know, kids friends or, you know, there's always one degree of separation.
几乎每个人都有类似的经历，要么自己认识的人遇到过，要么听说过，朋友、家人，无一例外，真的让人痛心。
It's you know, every single person has something like that that or they know about it, they've heard about it, a close friend happened or right in their own family, and it's devastating.
我认识一些人，他们失去了亲近的人，可很多人始终得不到释怀。
I know people that have lost people close to them, and there's just no closure there for a lot of people.
但要走到那一步，真的特别艰难。
But how they get to that place is really a struggle.
是的。
Yeah.
咱们能聊点开心的吗？
Boy, can we talk about something happy?
我们怎么会走到这一步的？
How did we get here?
我快哭了。
I'm crying.
我完全崩溃了。
I'm hysterical.
我整个人都乱了。
Am a mess.
咱们聊点迪士尼吧，或者别的开心点的。
Let's talk about Disneyland or something.
你是迪士尼迷吗？
Are you a Disney fan?
天哪。
Oh my god.
是的。
Yes.
在我心里，那里就是世界上最开心的地方。
You know it's the happiest place on earth in my head.
没错，确实如此。
Oh, it is.
我完全被圈粉了。
Like, I've fully drank
确实没错。
your It definitely is.
我上周和考特尼一起去的。
I went last week with Courtney.
不是。
No.
哦，对了。
Oh, yeah.
真巧啊。
Small world.
好吧。
Alright.
去了加勒比海盗和幽灵公馆，因为它们刚重新开放。
Pirates of the Caribbean and the Haunted Mansion because they just opened it for
是吗？
Oh, did they?
是的。
Yeah.
我去迪士尼，我在迪士尼工作，我想扮演白雪公主。
And I go to Disney, I work for Disney, I wanna be Snow White.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
全部都要。
All of it.
我太喜欢了。
I love it.
没错。
Yeah.
我特别期待去环球影城的史诗宇宙。
I'm I'm excited to go to the Epic Universe in Universal.
当然了。
Oh yes.
他们刚开的，就是那个新的哈利·波特园区，还有其他所有东西。
They just opened, they opened it with the Harry, the new Harry Potter world and all the rest it.
等等，那是迪士尼的吗？
Wait is that Disney?
那不是迪士尼的。
That's not Disney.
不是，那是环球的，这不是迪士尼，这是主题乐园世界。
No it's Universal, it's Universal, this is not, it's Theme Park World.
哦，那是你的，也是我的最爱，没错。
Oh that's your That's my thing, yes.
你去过迪士尼的星球大战园区吗？
Have you been to the Star Wars at Disneyland?
太棒了。
It's so good.
对，没错。
That's Yeah.
太疯狂了。
It's insane.
太棒了。
It's amazing.
瞧，这就对了。
Oh, there you go.
看吧，我们还有共同点。
See, we have something else in common.
没错，确实如此。
We do, we do.
我对迪士尼简直着了迷。
I'm completely I've completely drank the Kool Aid on Disney.
是啊，我也是。
Yeah, me too.
那里真是最开心的地方。
It is the happiest place.
每天，这都是最快乐的地方
Every day, happiest place on
地球上。
earth.
是的，先生。
Yes, sir.
我喜欢先生。
I love sir.
旺达，你现在的体重是多少？
How much you weigh, Wanda?
我现在大概一百三十磅。
Right now, I'm about one thirty.
我是一百八十三磅。
I'm at one eighty three.
咱们比比看谁跑得快。
We should race.
不行。
No.
我想离开的时候，还是原来的胯骨。
I wanna leave here with my original hips.
在
On the
我的播客《与Aaliyah的对决》中，我会把知名的女性运动员和一些意想不到的嘉宾配对。
podcast, The Matchup with Aaliyah, I pair prominent female athletes with unexpected guests.
最近一期，我邀请了无可争议的拳击冠军克拉丽莎·谢尔德斯，还有喜剧演员旺达·赛克斯，聊了聊旺达的新电影《Undercard》、嘴炮的艺术，以及什么是真正的‘淑女’。
On a recent episode, I sat down with undisputed boxing champ, Clarissa Shields, and comedian Wanda Sykes to talk about Wanda's new movie, Undercard, the art of trash talk and what it really means to be ladylike.
打开免费的iHeartRadio应用，搜索‘The Matchup with Aaliyah’，现在就收听。
Open your free iHeartRadio app, search the matchup with Aaliyah, and listen now.
本节目由诺华公司赞助，iHeart女性体育网络的创始合作伙伴。
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.
嗨，美人儿。
Hello, gorgeous.
我是《非典型拉拉》的主持人，拉拉·肯特。
It's La la Kent, host of untraditionally La la.
我可能不再给先生们端杯子了，但我在山谷里依然过得有滋有味。
My days of filling up cups at sir may be over, but I'm still loving life in the valley.
山的另一边过的是成熟大人的日子，可在我自己的播客《非典型拉拉》里，我还是那个你要么爱死、要么恨透的拉拉。
Life on the other side of the hill is giving grown up vibes, but over here on my podcast, untraditionally La la, I'm still that La la you either love or love to hate.
我一直在跟粉丝、家人，还有以前的对头比如汤姆·施瓦茨，掏心窝子地聊。
I've been full on oversharing with fans, family, and former frenemies like Tom Schwartz.
他上我播客的时候，我确实有点事儿想跟他算账。
I had a little bone to pick with Schwartzie when he came on the pod.
你就不觉得愧疚吗？居然说我是山寨主妇？
You don't feel bad that you told me I was a bootleg housewife?
我差点就把披萨扣你身上了。
I almost flipped a pizza in your lap.
我当时
I was
气死了。
so pissed.
我刚才才想起来，完全忘了这回事。
I literally forgot about that until just now.
对不起。
Sorry.
我不希望把所有这些都怪到别人头上。
I don't wanna I don't wanna blame all of that.
这事得怪酒精。
I gotta blame that one on the alcohol.
这档节目讲的是在生活不断向前时，笑着成长、从中学习。
This is about laughing and learning when life just keeps on lifing.
因为我犯过这些错，所以你们不用再重蹈覆辙。
Because I make mistakes so that you guys don't have to.
我们都在进步。
We're growing.
我们正在茁壮成长。
We're thriving.
没错，有时候我们只是勉强撑着，但这一切都充满爱。
And, yes, sometimes we're barely surviving, but we do it all with love.
这事儿乱七八糟的。
It's unruly.
这事儿无所畏惧。
It's unafraid.
这事儿特立独行，就是这么个调调。
It's untraditionally La la.
在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客，或者你常用的任何播客平台，收听《特立独行的拉拉》。
Listen to untraditionally La la on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
2023 年，前《单身汉》明星克莱顿·埃卡德卷入了一起亲子丑闻。
In 2023, former Bachelor star Clayton Eckard found himself at the center of a paternity scandal.
随后的家事法庭听证会暴露了她说法中的诸多矛盾。
The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story.
这开启了一场长达数年的官司，只为查明真相。
This began a years long court battle to prove the truth.
你在出售这份检测报告时，特意修改过两次，对吧？
You doctored this particular test twice in selling, correct?
我只修改过一次。
I doctored the test once.
最终是一支由网络侦探组成的团队揭开了这个案子。
It took an army of Internet detectives to crack the case.
我希望公众能清楚地看到自己的税款到底用在了哪里。
I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for.
阳光是最好的消毒剂。
Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant.
他们发现了一个令人不安的模式。
They would uncover a disturbing pattern.
还有另外两名男子，遭遇了同样的事情。
Two more men who'd been through the same thing.
格雷格·吉尔克里斯皮和迈克尔·曼吉尼。
Greg Gillespie and Michael Mangini.
我简直惊呆了。
My mind was blown.
我是斯蒂芬妮·杨。
I'm Stephanie Young.
欢迎收听《爱的陷阱》。
This is Love Trap.
劳拉，斯科茨代尔警方。
Laura, Scottsdale police.
随着剧情推进，劳拉·欧文斯终于面临后果。
As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.
各位观众，突发新闻：马里科帕县对劳拉·欧文斯提起欺诈指控。
Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Maricopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges.
在亚利桑那州实现正义之前，这件事不会结束。
This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona.
在 iHeartRadio 应用、苹果播客，或者你常用的任何播客平台收听《Loved Trapped》。
Listen to Loved Trapped podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
克瑞斯，我们私下聊的时候，我总是很惊讶，你一提到家人，别人可能以为就是六个孩子。
Kris, when we've spoken offline, I've always been blown away by how you've, when you keep talking about family, I think people think, oh yeah, there's six kids.
没错。
Right.
但对你来说，家人还包括你孩子的前伴侣，对吧？
But to you the family is even your kids' exes, right?
是的。
Yes.
还有他们的伴侣。
Partners.
是的。
Yes.
就算你的孩子和伴侣或前伴侣经历了很艰难的事，你依然把他们当作家庭的一分子，继续爱着他们。
People like it grows even if one of your children has been through something really difficult with their partner or an ex partner, you still love them as part of the unit and the family.
我确实这么想。
I do.
这太了不起了。
And that is incredible.
你能说说你是怎么把这份关心和爱扩展出去的吗？
Talk to me about how you expand that radius of care and love.
首先，我发自内心、从灵魂深处相信，爱就是爱。
First of all, I believe in my heart and in my soul, love is love.
我会爱上这些人，和他们的伴侣、男友或丈夫一起度过漫长的岁月，留下无数回忆：一起旅行、过圣诞早晨、庆祝生日，分享欢笑、喜悦、泪水，还有新生命的到来。
And I fall in love with people and have lives and years spent with their partners or their boyfriends or their husbands and have all these memories and travels and Christmas mornings and celebrations and birthdays and all the fun, the laughter, the joy, the tears, the babies.
在大多数情况下，这些人都是我孙子孙女的爸爸。
These are, in most cases, the fathers of my grandchildren.
我爱这些男人，即使我们和他们经历艰难时刻，这份爱也从未消失。
And I love these men, and that love doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times with them.
对我来说，它不会说停就停。
It just doesn't turn off like that for me.
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