莱拉·霍尔莫齐：感觉你努力工作却毫无进展？（用这个简单过滤器，聚焦真正为你赚钱的事）

因为他们最后干脆放弃了，还找一堆外在理由来开脱。

Because eventually they were just thrown in the towel, and they would make up some excuse outside of themselves.

怪市场。

It was the market.

怪官司。

It was the lawsuit.

怪人家说必须保持六英尺距离啊，反正啥都能当借口。

It was the fact that they told us they needed to be six feet apart, whatever it might be.

归根结底，就是他们不想再忍受那些情绪了。

And it always came down to the fact that they didn't want to tolerate those feelings anymore.

他们一点挫折都受不了。

They had a low frustration tolerance.

受不了不确定性带来的焦虑。

They couldn't tolerate the feelings of uncertainty.

受不了挫败感。

They couldn't tolerate the feelings of frustration.

他们无法忍受那种不可预测的感觉。

They couldn't tolerate the feelings of unpredictability.

我见过的每一家大公司倒闭，都是因为创始人情绪管理能力不够——除了我刚才说的那家，我还见过至少五家，无一例外。

And I've just seen every big business that I've seen go down, which I've seen, I would say, five more businesses besides the one I just told you about, it was always because the founder didn't have enough emotional management.

在那些让人感觉天崩地裂的时刻，他们根本管不住自己的情绪。

They could not manage themselves emotionally during those situations that felt like turmoil.

我跟你说啊，我曾经痛苦到不行。

And I will tell you, you know, there was a time where I was in so much pain.

每天就瘫在沙发上工作。

I was working from the couch every day.

那时候我手上挂着四起官司。

I had four lawsuits on my plate.

家里头也一堆破事，跟家人关系特别紧张。

I was having issues with some stuff personally with my family.

公司里头呢，我还带着十二个直接下属。

And in my business, I was also I had 12 direct reports.

我刚雇了四个新人，自己还得每周工作三天。

I had four new people I had just hired, and I was performing three days a week.

我能撑下来，就是因为下定决心：一定要把这事管好。

And the only reason that I was able to do that was I was like, I am gonna double down on making sure that I can manage this.

那是我人生中最难熬的一段日子，但我挺过来了，也变得更强大了。

And I it it was the hardest season of my life, but I got through it, and I'm better for it.

大多数人就是被这种事击垮的。

That's what breaks most people.

就是当所有事情一下子全砸过来的时候。

It's when everything collides at once.

那我该怎么应对这种不确定性？

And then how do I deal with the uncertainty?

我该怎么处理那些挫败、愤怒和焦虑？

How do I deal with the frustration, the anger, the anxiety?

然后他们就找外因，把责任推给别人，说：‘问题出在这儿，所以才没成功。’

And then they just say they find some reason outside of themselves, and they point to it and say, that's why it didn't work.

每次都是这样。

Every time.

我真没料到你会这么回答。

I did not expect that answer.

真的吗？

Really?

是的。

Yeah.

这回答太棒了。

It's a great answer.

我特别喜欢这一点。

I really like that.

我完全同意你的看法，现在我正想着我认识的那么多人，还有那些最终成功、赢下来的人。

I I couldn't agree with you more, and now I'm just trying to think about so many people that I know and think about people that even made it and won.

你说得一点都没错，关键真的在于心态，取决于你到底要不要坚持下去。

And you're absolutely spot on that it is so much to do with the mindset and you choosing whether you're staying in business or not.

跟我说说你第一次面对的不确定性，第一次打官司，或者不管是什么，你当时决定回应这个问题的那一刻。

Talk to me about that first uncertainty you faced, that first lawsuit, that first whatever it was that you decided to choose to answer this question.

那时候你还没现在这么多经验，还没学会应对市场变化、管理大团队、收购企业这些事，你第一次感到完全没底的时候，到底是怎么熬过来的？

What was that first moment where you didn't have, now you have all this evidence and competence of dealing with markets changing, managing big teams, acquiring businesses, and taking them.

在你什么都没经历过之前，第一次遇到这种迷茫，你是怎么调整心态，找到答案的？

Before all of that, the first time you hit uncertainty, how did you manage your mind in order to find the evidence that that was the answer?

我刚开始创业的时候才23岁，到24岁的时候，手下已经有120号人了。

When I started my first business, I was 23, and by the age of 24, I had a 120 employees.

公司从零起步，不到两年就做到了五千万的规模。

And the business had gone from, like, 0 to 50,000,000 in, like, less than two years.

我这一路，年纪轻轻，从来没管过人，以前还因为吸毒被抓过，那种经历带来的不确定感，是我这辈子最怕的。

And so my entire journey of, like, one, being very young, having never managed anyone before, having just been this person who was, like, arrested and drugs and all this stuff, it was the most uncertainty I've ever felt in my life.

说真的，那段日子是我人生最艰难的时期，但也正是在那段时间，我成长得最快。

I mean, to the degree that it was the hardest period of my life because of the amount of uncertainty, it was also where I grew the most.

因为我没让自己像那锅里的青蛙，慢慢被煮熟了还不知道。

Because I didn't let it I think about it like the frog boiling.

就像水一直在变热，我就一直问自己：我该怎么跟着水一起升温？

It's like the water kept getting hotter, and I just kept saying, like, how do I how do I also raise with the water?

所以当我回想起自己当时能做到的事，我不得不建立一些习惯来照顾好自己。

And so when I think back to what I was able to do, I had to put in place practices to take care of myself.

听起来可能有点老生常谈吧。

And it sounds, you know, trite.

别人总说，哎呀，照顾自己？这太软弱了。

You know, people say they're like, oh, taking care of yourself, that's soft.

但赢，从来就不是软弱的事。

Well, there's nothing soft about winning.

所以我就这么回他们。

So that's what I say in return to that.

我早就明白，到底哪些事是我必须做的，才能在这堆事儿里不疯掉？

I learned very early on, like, what are the things that I have to do to maintain my sanity throughout all of this?

我记得那时候，每天早上八点就开始开会，一直开到晚上六七点。

And so, you know, I remember I had I would have meetings starting at 8AM, and it would be going until, you know, six or 7PM.

我说，好极了。

And I said, great.

然后我就定早上四点半起床。

Then I'm gonna get up at 04:30.

起来写日记。

I'm gonna journal.

出去散步。

I'm going to walk.

自己做早餐。

I'm gonna make breakfast.

喝杯咖啡。

I'm gonna have coffee.

然后听点东西，或者冥想，反正随便哪种都行。

I'm gonna listen to or meditate, whatever it might be.

白天的时候，我就提醒自己：得找个时间歇一歇，出去走十分钟，透透气。

And then throughout the day, I was like, okay, I need one period between a break here where I can take ten minutes to get outside, go on a walk.

我这一整个职业生涯，都一直死守着这套做法。

And I have been ruthless about doing that my entire career.

我知道自己必须做什么，才能保持良好的心态。

I know what I have to do to keep myself in the right mental state.

我是这么想的：

I have to have I I look about think about it like this.

一整天我都在不断付出，同时还得当那个在别人迷茫时撑住他们的人。

I'm pouring my cup out all day, and I'm also being that person that's there for everybody when it's uncertain.

我知道这事儿真没谱，因为我自己心里也没底。

And I know it's uncertain because I'm feeling uncertain about it.

我得把自己这杯子重新倒满——听着是挺老套的，但真就是我坚持到今天的关键。

I have to fill my cup back up, and it sounds so cheesy, but it has been the key to why I've been able to continue doing this.

我特别痴迷于研究：那些顶尖高手是怎么保持状态的？我不在乎你能不能连续赢五年。

And I'm obsessed with studying how do people that are high performers keep I don't care if you can win for five years.

我真的不在乎。

I really don't.

我根本不在乎你能不能赢十年。

I don't even care if you can win for ten.

我就想知道，谁真能赢三十年、四十年？

I'm like, who can win for thirty or forty years?

我后来发现，这些人的共同点其实特别多。

And I realized that there's a lot of similarities around those people.

于是我在空闲时间疯狂研究，就是每天早上四点半起床，晚上所有人都睡了之后。

And so I studied that ruthlessly in my free time, which was when I got up at 04:30 in the morning, and after everybody went to sleep at night.

我注意到最关键的一点是，他们一定会做那些明明知道对自己重要的事。

And so the biggest thing I noticed is that they will absolutely do the things that they know they need to do to take care of themselves.

所以我这么想：

So I think about it like this.

如果你看到一个运动员在比赛，你肯定采访过不少吧？

If you saw an athlete that was performing, you know, you've interviewed many of them, right?

比如说迈克尔·乔丹，对吧？

Let's say it's Michael Jordan, right?

你会觉得他整天都在拼命吗？

And would you expect that he's pushing himself all day?

他连午觉都不睡？

Like he wouldn't take a nap.

他连按摩都不做？

He wouldn't get a massage.

他连理疗都不进行？

He wouldn't do physical therapy.

怎么可能呢。

It's like, no.

其实，恢复本来就是计划的一部分，因为你练得太狠了。

That's like part of the plan is that there has to be recovery because you're pushing very hard.

身体需要这个。

Your body needs it.

我对做生意也是这么想的。

I think about business the same way.

你是怎么从每天那么多输出里恢复过来的？

It's like, do you do to recover from all the output that you're putting out there?

我早就意识到，面对那么多不确定性，我必须给自己找些锚点，让生活里有那么一点稳定感。

And I realized really early on that in order to deal with the amount of uncertainty I was dealing with, I had to create these anchors for myself where I felt a sense of stability in my own life.

因为人生里太多事是我们控制不了的，所以我得有点能自己说了算的地方。

Like I had some sense of control because there's so much we can't control in life.

我得有那么几个小确幸，能让我重新找回方向，问问自己：我到底为啥这么拼？

But I had to have these areas where I had these little nuggets where I could control things, and I could bring myself back into the state of mind where I remember like, why am I doing this?

对吧？

Right?

原因其实一直没变过——我想成为自己能成为的最好的样子。

And the reason why is like, it's always been the same for me, which is I wanna be the best version of myself I can possibly be.

然后别人就会问：那你为啥非得这么拼？

And then people say, well, why would you wanna do that?

我想啊，人这一辈子，不这么活，还能干嘛呢？

Well, I guess it's my belief about life, which is what else am I gonna do until I die?

我想知道，这副身体和灵魂到底能走到多远。

I would like to know what this body and soul are capable of.

所以对我来说，唯一能让我停下脚步的，就是把自己累垮了。

And so I'm just like, the only thing that will stop me is if I wear myself out.

我从不把自己当马拉松选手来练。

I don't I don't train like it's a marathon.

要像跑短跑那样去拼。

Train like it's a sprint.

我慢慢明白，很多人一开始挺猛，可一遇到不确定性，又没本事照顾好自己，最后就干脆放弃了。

And that's the biggest thing I've realized over time is I've just seen so many people that they get started in something, and then the amount of uncertainty, they're they don't have enough skills to take care of themselves that they end up opting out.

所以我总是这么想：

So I think about it like this.

很多顶尖高手，其实都具备这些本事。

A lot of people that are high performers, we have these skills.

我们能拼得特别狠。

We can push really hard.

我们能自律。

We can discipline.

我们能踩油门。

We can press on the gas.

但如果你真想在这条路上走得远，你得懂什么时候该歇一歇。

But you also have to have these skills if you're indexing here, which is like, do you know when to rest?

你懂不懂得照顾自己？

Do you know when to take care of yourself?

你知不知道怎么调整心态？

Do you know how to take care of your mindset?

还是说你只是硬撑着不放？

Or are you just white knuckling through everything?

那种硬撑是撑不了多久的，那不叫自律。

Which that runs out because that's not discipline.

那叫意志力，谁都有点，但我宁愿把那点力气省下来，用在真正重要的事上，别浪费在无关紧要的地方。

That's just willpower, which we have a certain amount of, but I would like to save it for the things that matter, not the things that don't matter.

每次我特别迷茫的时候，能撑过来，就是因为一遇到不确定性，我就想：太好了。

That's been what got me through a lot of times of uncertainty is whenever I have more uncertainty in my life, I say great.

现在不确定性更多了，我得怎么好好照顾自己，才能挺过去呢？

Now that I have more uncertainty, what more do I need to do for myself to get through it?

我会像对待朋友那样对待自己。

And I treat myself like I would treat a friend.

我会对自己说：太好了。

It's like, I'd be like, great.

我有心理咨询师。

I have a therapist.

我有教练。

I have coaches.

我有导师。

I have mentors.

我身边有一群可以请教的人。

I have people I consult with.

我有能随时打电话求助的人。

I have people I can call.

我有能倾诉的朋友。

I have friends I can talk to.

我会尽量为自己攒足各种支持，好扛住生活中这么多不确定性。

Like, I try to collect all sorts of support for myself so I can support the amount of uncertainty I have in my life.

要是没人帮我撑着，我根本扛不住手里这堆不确定性的重量。

And if I don't have people to support me, I cannot support the weight of the uncertainty that that is in my hands.

你知道吗，就像你走进一栋楼，从来没人会说：‘哇，这地方地基真牛！’

You know, it's like when you walk into a building, no one ever goes, ah, this place has amazing foundations.

对啊。

Yeah.

对吧？

Right?

你从来没这么说过。

You've never said that.

你走进一栋漂亮的大楼，不管是在纽约、新加坡，还是世界任何地方，一进去就会忍不住感叹：哇，这地方太棒了！抬头一看，简直令人惊叹。

If you walk inside a beautiful building, whether it's in New York or Singapore or anywhere in the world, you walk in and you go, wow, this and you look up and you go, oh, this place is incredible.

又高又美，简直没话说。

Like it's so high and it's so beautiful.

但你根本想不到，底下还有特别特别深的地基。

And then you don't realize that there's these really, really deep foundations.

其实楼越高，地基就越深越牢固，只是你看不见罢了。

Actually, the taller the building, the deeper and stronger the foundations are, but you don't see them.

这跟你刚才说的一模一样——不管是凌晨四点半起床、写日记、静心聆听、留出空间、冥想，还是你自己的那种方式，那都是你的地基。

And it's the same as what you're saying, whether it was waking up at 04:30, journaling, listening, finding space, meditating, whatever your version of it was, that's your foundation.

你刚才说的，就是这个意思。

And that's what exactly what you just said.

我想爬得越高，地基就得打得越深。

The higher I wanted to go, the deeper the foundations have to be.

我需要越多的人来帮我扛住焦虑和不确定性，这特别重要，因为我觉得太多创业者都以为，什么事都得自己硬扛。

The more people I needed to help me hold that anxiety and hold that uncertainty, which is so powerful because I think so many entrepreneurs believe they just have to do it themselves.

很多人觉得，真正优秀的创业者就得靠自己单打独斗。

That a really good entrepreneur is someone who just does it on their own.

没错，那些人没帮你建公司，但他们帮你扛住了情绪。

And yes, those people weren't helping you build the business, but they were helping you carry your emotions.

是的。

Yeah.

这其实是个特别有意思的关联——我们总把商业成功和情感连接割裂开来。

And and that's such an interesting connection because I think we think of business success as so separate to emotional human connection.

根据你的反应，我看到你刚才在摇头。

And it's according to you, I see you shaking your head right now.

我觉得这种想法简直太离谱了。

It's crazy to me that people think that.

真的，我完全无法理解这种想法。

Like, it's absolutely crazy to me.

我说句实话。

And I mean, I will say this.

我觉得有些人是特例。

I think that there are people that are anomalies.

这种特例虽然有，但每有一个这样的人，背后就有上百人是因为有支持才做到的。

For the amount of anomalies there are, there are a 100 more people for every one that are doing it because they have that kind of support.

是的。

Yeah.

我也会想，我到底想过什么样的生活？

And I also think about, like, what kind of life do I wanna live?

我想变得优秀。

And I I want to be great.

我想成为最好的自己，但我也觉得没必要一个人硬撑。

Like, I wanna be the best version of myself I can be, but I also don't believe that I need to do it alone.

我觉得没人真想一个人扛。

And I don't think anybody wants to.

那样一点意思都没有。

I don't think that's fun.

是啊。

Yeah.

你懂的吧？

You know?

很多人就说：我快撑不住了。

That's just like people are like, I'm burnt out.

我就想问：那你呢？你有朋友吗？

I'm like, alright, what do you do you have friends?

你一个人扛着？

Are you doing things alone?

你身边有人支持你吗？

Do you have people to support you?

挺有意思的。

And it's funny.

这中间的关联太明显了。

It's like such a correlation there.

他们经常说，哎，我就只有一个人。

It's like, they're often like, no, I have like one person.

对。

Yeah.

老有人说‘高处不胜寒’，但其实完全没必要，这完全取决于你愿不愿意去建立支持系统。

And people always say that statement of it's lonely at the top, but it doesn't have to be because it's a choice of building that.

你刚说的这个，让我突然想到一件特别棒的事。

I'm thinking of something really wonderful actually because of what you just said.

我发现，随着事业发展，我反而更常跟最早那批朋友联系了，现在时间反而更少了。

I've noticed that as my career has grown, I talk more to my oldest friends and I have less time today.

这说不通啊。

So it doesn't make sense.

我十年前搬来美国，刚开始做线上事业的时候，就一直跟我的挚友保持联系，他还是我婚礼上的伴郎。

So I moved to The States ten years ago when I started my online work and I talked to my best friend who was my best man at my wedding.

现在我每周还跟他聊三次呢。

I talked to him like three times a week right now.

我都不知道这时间是从哪儿挤出来的。

And I don't know where I find the time.

对啊。

Yeah.

但不知怎么的，我就是做到了，我想这大概就是我坚持的原因。

But somehow I do and I'm thinking that's the reason I do it.

你这么一说，我才突然意识到原来是这样。

I didn't even think about it that way until you've said it.

我以前只觉得，哎，我们俩的关系变好了。

I just thought, oh, our relationship's just got better.

没错。

Yeah.

虽然他住在一个完全不同的时区，我们还是能找到办法保持联系。

Even though he lives in a totally different time zone, we find a way to connect with each other.

但这就跟你刚才说的一模一样，因为我的焦虑确实加重了。

But it's exactly what you're saying because my anxiety's increased.

对啊。

Yeah.

因为我需要承担的东西多了，付出的也多了，我就更依赖那些陪我最久、最懂我、最了解我的人。

And because the amount I have to hold is increased, the amount I have to give is increased, I lean more on the people in my life that have been there the longest who know me the deepest, who know me the best.

就算我是在无意识中这么做的，这确实就是事情发生的原因。

And even if I'm doing it subconsciously, that is the reason why it's happening.

绝对没错。

Oh, a thousand percent.

你这么说挺有意思的，因为我们确实新招了个合伙人。

It's interesting you say that because, like, we, you know, we brought on a a third partner.

他叫谢龙，我们每天从早到晚都在一起工作。

His name's Sharon, and we work together, like, all day every day.

两周前我们聊过一次，他突然来找我说：我昨晚有个顿悟。

And we had a conversation, like, two weeks ago, and he came to me and he said, I had a revelation last night.

我问：什么？

I said, what?

他说，我们俩聊得越多，状态越好。

He said, we both do better the more we talk.

他就说，咱们干脆定个规矩吧，早上、晚上，啥时候方便就聊啥时候。

He's like, so let's set up, like because we would we'll talk in the morning, at night, whatever's convenient.

我们一听，行啊。

We're like, cool.

于是我们每周约了三次通话。

So we set up three calls a week.

我们就想，干脆先把时间定下来，排进日程里。

We're like, let's just get them so they're on the books.

我们当时就在聊这个事。

And we were talking about it.

我们觉得，要干的事儿太重了，压得人喘不过气。

We're like, there's so much hard stuff to do, and it weighs on us.

但只要你能跟人分担一下，有人陪着你，感觉立马轻松好多。

But if you can share it with somebody and that can support you, it just feels so much lighter.

是的

Yeah.

旺达，你多重啊？

How much you weigh, Wanda?

我现在一百三十磅左右。

Right now, I'm about one thirty.

我一百八十三磅。

I'm at one eighty three.

咱们比比看吧。

We should race.

不比。

No.

我想完完整整地离开这儿， hips 一点都不能少。

I wanna leave here with my original hips.

在播客《Leila的对决》里，我会让知名的女性运动员和一些意想不到的嘉宾配对聊天。

On the podcast, The Matchup with Leila, I pair prominent female athletes with unexpected guests.

最近一期节目中，我邀请了无争议的拳击冠军克拉丽莎·谢尔德斯和喜剧演员旺达·赛克斯，聊了聊旺达的新电影《Undercard》、嘴炮的艺术，还有什么是真正的‘淑女’。

On a recent episode, I sat down with undisputed boxing champ, Clarissa Shields, and comedian Wanda Sykes to talk about Wanda's new movie, Undercard, the art of trash talk, and what it really means to be ladylike.

打开免费的iHeartRadio应用，搜索‘The Matchup with Aliyah’，现在就收听吧。

Open your free iHeartRadio app, search the matchup with Aliyah, and listen now.

本节目由诺华公司赞助，iHeart女性体育网络的创始合作伙伴。

Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.

2023年，前《单身汉》明星克莱顿·艾卡德卷入了一场亲子丑闻。

In 2023, former Bachelor star Clayton Eckard found himself at the center of a paternity scandal.

随后的法庭听证会揭露了她说法中诸多明显的矛盾。

The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story.

这开启了一场长达数年的官司，只为查明真相。

This began a years long court battle to prove the truth.

你为了卖钱，特意篡改过这个检测结果两次，对吧？

You doctored this particular test twice in selling, correct?

我只篡改过一次检测结果。

I doctored the test once

要解开这个案子，得靠一帮网络神探联手才行。

It took an army of Internet detectives to crack the case.

我想让大伙儿知道，自己的税钱到底被用到哪儿去了。

I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for.

阳光是最好的消毒剂。

Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant.

他们发现了一个令人不安的模式。

They would uncover a disturbing pattern.

又找到了两个经历过同样事情的男人。

Two more men who'd been through the same thing.

格雷格·吉尔克里斯特和迈克尔·曼吉尼。

Greg Gillespie and Michael Mangini.

我整个人都震惊了。

My mind was blown.

我是斯蒂芬妮·杨。

I'm Stephanie Young.

欢迎收听《爱的陷阱》。

This is Love Trap.

劳拉，斯科茨代尔警局。

Laura, Scottsdale police.

随着剧情推进，劳拉·欧文斯终于要为自己的行为付出代价了。

As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.

各位听众，最新消息：在阿美利科帕县，劳拉·欧文斯已被起诉诈骗罪。

Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges.

在亚利桑那州，正义未实现，这事就没完。

This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona.

欢迎在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客，或你常用的播客平台收听《Lovedrapped》。

Listen to Lovedrapped podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

嗨，美人儿。

Hello, gorgeous.

我是拉拉·肯特，节目《非传统拉拉》的主持人。

It's La la Kent, host of Untraditionally La la.

我给客人端咖啡的日子是过去了，但我在山谷里的生活照样过得有滋有味。

My days of filling up cups at sir may be over, but I'm still loving life in the valley.

山那边的日子是越来越有成年人的样子了，可在我这档播客《非传统拉拉》里，我还是那个你们要么爱死、要么恨死的拉拉。

Life on the other side of the hill is giving grown up vibes, but over here on my podcast, Untraditionally La la, I'm still that La la you either love or love to hate.

我可没少跟粉丝、家人，还有像汤姆·施瓦茨这样的前死对头掏心窝子。

I've been full on oversharing with fans, family, and former frenemies like Tom Schwartz.

他上我播客那回，我可憋着一肚子火要跟他算账。

I had a little bone to pick with Schwartzie when he came on the pod.

你就不觉得亏心吗？当初你说我是山寨主妇？

You don't feel bad that you told me I was a bootleg housewife?

我差点把一块披萨甩你身上。

I almost flipped a pizza

砸你腿上了。

in your lap.

气得我够呛。

Was so pissed.

我真的一点都想不起来，直到刚才才突然记起。

I literally forgot about that until just now.

不好意思。

Sorry.

我不是想把所有责任都推给……

I don't wanna I don't wanna blame all

这事儿。

of that.

这事儿得怪酒精。

I gotta blame that one on the alcohol.

这档节目就是讲笑着成长、从错误中学习，因为我犯错，就是为了让你别再犯同样的错。

This is about laughing and learning when life just keeps on lifing because I make mistakes so that you guys don't have to.

我们在进步，我们在茁壮成长，没错，有时候也差点撑不住，但我们始终带着爱在坚持。

We're growing, we're thriving, and, yes, sometimes we're barely surviving, but we do it all with love.

这事儿可真够乱的。

It's unruly.

它无所畏惧。

It's unafraid.

它特立独行，别具一格。

It's untraditionally La la.

在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客，或者你常用的任何播客平台收听《特立独行的 La La》。

Listen to untraditionally La la on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

记日记，还有把生意从2万做到9000万，中间靠的是自律。

This idea of journaling and also taking a business from 2 to 90,000,000, there's this gap filled by discipline.

对。

Yeah.

因为你每天坚持起来，就像你说的，职业生涯里从没放弃过这些习惯，能一路把好几个生意做到五千万，甚至像你刚才说的做到九千万，靠的就是自律和坚持。

Because getting up and like you said, you've never compromised on those habits in your career and then being able to scale multiple businesses to 50,000,000 your first or 90,000,000 with the example you just gave, that takes discipline and consistency.

但我们现在看到，很多人已经开始意识到自律有多重要。

But one of the things we see today in the world, think people have started to recognize discipline's important.

没错。

Yeah.

但这件事是我们所有人都特别难养成的。

But it's the thing that we all massively struggle to build.

很多人会坚持每天发视频，撑过一周就放弃了；或者去健身房锻炼一个月，然后就撂挑子不干了。

People kind of will make they'll post a video every day for a week and then give up, or people will wake up and go to the gym for a month and then give up.

这种现象其实太普遍了，我们都懂。

And we know that that's the common trait that happens.

那到底是什么让有些人能坚持自律，而有些人一碰就垮？

What's the difference between people who build discipline and those where it always breaks down?

这两种人，差别到底在哪？

What's the difference between those two types of people?

其实人本身没什么不同。

There's no difference in the person.

我觉得最大的误区就是，大家总以为‘这个人自律’。

I think that's, like, the biggest fallacy that I see people like, you're disciplined.

根本不是这么回事。

It's like, no.

你知道怎么培养自律。

You know how to build discipline.

自律其实是个系统。

Discipline's a system.

所以最简单的解释就是：如果你想自律，就让那些帮你达成目标的事更容易做，让那些拖你后腿的事更难做。

And so the easiest way to explain it is that if you wanna be disciplined, make it easier to do the things that you want to do to achieve your goals and harder to do the things that work against your goals.

举个很典型的例子。

So a great example is this.

人们总说：‘我就是没自制力。’

People are like, I'm just not disciplined.

比如，我每天晚上都吃冰淇淋，

You know, like, I'm eating ice cream every night.

就是减不下来体重。

I just can't seem to lose weight.

但如果你把自律看成一个系统，那问题就出在你家里的‘触发点’上。

Well, discipline, if we look at it like a system, you have a prompt in your house.

你冰箱里放着冰淇淋。

You have ice cream in your refrigerator.

这简直就是个让你想吃冰淇淋的直接诱因。

That's a literal trigger for you to eat the ice cream.

那咱们就把它拿走。

So let's remove it.

然后换成点别的，比如蔬菜条，反正我不会放那个。

And then let's insert, I don't know, vegetable sticks or I wouldn't do that.

但我可能会放杯低卡热可可。

But like I would do like a diet hot cocoa.

这个对我特别管用。

That's good one for me.

我就把它放在原来冰淇淋的位置。

I would put it in the same place.

有意思的是，我减肥的时候，从来没对自己说：‘你真没用，连体重都减不下来。’

And so it's interesting because like when I went to lose weight, I didn't say to myself like, oh, you're a piece of shit because you can't lose weight.

我当时就想，哎，我根本没建立起好用的系统。

I was like, oh, I don't have good systems in place.

我怎么才能让自己最容易做到减重该做的那些事儿？

How do I make it as easy as possible for me to do the steps that I need to do to lose weight?

我怎么才能让自己最不容易喝酒？

How do I make it as easy as possible for me not to drink?

我得让这事儿变得顺理成章才行。

How do I make it so okay.

咱们一个个来想想办法。

Let's look up each of those.

不喝酒，怎么才能最省力？

Easiest possible not to drink.

我做过最管用的一招。

Easiest thing I did.

我那时候跟六个天天喝酒的人住一块儿。

I lived with six people who all drank.

我做了什么？

What did I do?

搬出去了。

Moved out.

说起来很简单，但这就去掉了大概一半的诱因——我身边的人整天都在喝，我喝酒的冲动一下子就减半了。

Like, it's so simple, but it's like half of the trigger, like I would say 50% of my desire to drink went away immediately because I was around people doing it all the time.

那简直是个持续不断的提醒。

And it was a constant prompt.

嘿，别忘了你爱喝酒。

Hey, remember you like drinking.

喝啊，喝啊，喝啊，一整天都在刺激我。

Drink, drink, drink, drink, prompting me all day.

另一方面，当我下定决心要减肥的时候。

Now on the other hand, when I was like, okay, I'm trying to lose weight.

我第一件事做了两件事。

The first thing I did, I did two things.

我当时就想，把家里所有垃圾食品全扔了。

I was like, I'm getting rid of all the junk food in my house.

第二件事，我把手机里所有能点外卖的App都删了。

The second thing, I deleted and got rid of anything on my phone that I could order food with.

因为我要吃垃圾食品，无非就两种途径嘛。

Because what are the two ways that I'm going to get junk food?

要么就在家里，要么就下单叫外卖。

It's either me in my house or I'm going to order it.

现在呢，我要想吃垃圾食品，就得开车出去。

Now, if I want junk food, I'm going to drive.

天哪。

Oh my God.

现在有太多理由让我懒得这么干了。

Now there's like so many reasons why I'm not going to do that.

这不代表我觉得人要想有自制力，就得靠意志力硬撑，而是说，你得让欲望自己变弱。

That doesn't mean I think a lot of people think in order to be disciplined, it means that you have more desire.

没有。

No.

我当时特别想吃那个冰淇淋。

My desire for that ice cream was hot.

但要吃到它实在太麻烦了。

But there was so much friction to get it.

对。

Yes.

简直想骂人。

That it's just like, oh, fuck.

算了，还是忍一忍吧。

I guess I'll just deal with the desire.

是的。

Yeah.

但大多数人恰恰相反，他们总觉得自律就是得硬扛。

And most people have it working the opposite direction because a lot of people say they're like, you know, they look at discipline.

我觉得自律就是坚持做那些能带你达成目标的事。

And I think discipline is just doing things consistently to get you to what you want.

对。

Mhmm.

很多人其实也一直坚持做事情，但做的都是跟目标背道而驰的事。

Lots of people do things consistently to not get what they want.

你一直都在吃冰淇淋。

You consistently eat the ice cream.

你一直不去健身房。

You consistently don't go to the gym.

你明明设了一堆系统，就是让你更容易达不到目标。

You consistently so you have systems set up to make it easy for you to not achieve your goals.

所以我们得把这些系统给翻过来。

And so we have to switch those systems.

就这么简单。

That's it.

太棒了。

So good.

你们有些人真挺惨的，觉得自己没纪律，其实根本不是这么回事。

It's a terrible thing that some of you people are like, you're not disciplined.

不是的。

No.

你只是不会给自己搭建一套有纪律的系统。

You don't have the skill of building disciplined systems around you.

换个角度看，完全不一样。

It's such a different way to look at it.

其实很多事做起来特别简单。

And some of these things are very easy.

比如你要是看看我手机，早上一打开，第一个弹出来的就是Insight Timer的提醒，提醒我该冥想了，我就去做了。

Like if you were to look at my phone, you know, when I open my phone in the morning, the first thing that I have is that I have a notification for Insight Timer, which I use, and it says like time to meditate.

我已经冥想完了。

I have meditated.

现在已经连续一百七十九天了，从那时起我就下定决心，这辈子每天都要冥想。

It's now one hundred and seventy nine days in a row, and that's when I first started I'm gonna meditate every day at this point in my life.

第二件事是我开了MyFitnessPal，它会弹出来，我设了个提醒，每次吃饭前它都会在手机上跳出来，提醒我‘记录饮食’。

You know, the second thing I have is that I have my MyFitnessPal, and it pops up, and I have a prompt on it where I I put a little prompt for every time I eat, where it it comes up on my phone as a reminder from my iPhone, and it says log your food.

这算自律吗？还是说，只是我的环境在提醒我该做什么？

I don't is that discipline, or is it my environment reminding me to do something?

对。

Yeah.

靠记忆是靠不住的。

Memory is a liability.

很多人觉得，我得记住才行。

A lot of people think I need to remember.

我得记住自己想减肥，想做个超棒的女友，想创业。

I'm gonna remember that I wanna lose weight and that I wanna be an amazing girlfriend and that I wanna build a business.

可光靠记忆和愿望，是没法带来结果的。

And my memory and desire should create the result.

这完全是错的。

That is a fallacy.

一整天会有太多事情抢走你的注意力。

There are gonna be so many things that take your attention all day.

那你该怎么设计一些系统，来抓住你的注意力呢？

So how are you going to build in systems that grab your attention?

就是一些触发点而已。

Just triggers.

比如一张纸条。

It's like it could be a piece of paper.

可以是你给自己写的便签。

It could be a note you write for yourself.

也可以是家里根本不放吃的。

It could be not having the food in the house.

或者朋友打个电话，发条消息提醒你。

It could be a friend that calls you, a text you have.

我们得让实现目标变得更简单，而不是更难。

We have to make it easier to achieve our goals, not harder.

这是我听过最棒的系统解析了。

That is the best breakdown of systems I've ever heard.

说实话，我以前也听过‘系统’这个概念，但你刚才说得特别清楚——我们其实早就有了系统，只是这些系统在拖我们后腿。

Honestly, because I've heard this idea of systems before, but the way you just put it as to how we already have systems in place that are actually failing us.

我老开玩笑说，我们家的零食抽屉可能是世界上最惨的。

And I always joke about how to some people like we have the most miserable snack drawer in the world.

我的意思是，里面全是好东西，但全是健康的，因为我老婆不准家里有含糖量高、人工添加剂之类的零食。

And what I mean by that is it is full of great snacks, but they're all healthy because my wife will not allow for anything that has a certain level of sugar in the house, a certain level of this, artificial products, whatever.

小时候我就想，等我有自己家了，零食抽屉一定要塞满软糖、M&M豆这些玩意儿。

And it's almost like when I was a kid, I thought, God, if I ever had a house and a snack drawer, it'd be full of like, you know, Sour Patch Kids and M and M's and this and that.

我老婆说不行，但你真说对了——眼不见心不烦，这道理简单到爆，可我们偏偏把自己搞得特别难。

My wife was like, Nope, like, because I think you're so right, out of sight, out of mind, it's the simplest rule in the book yet we make it hard for ourselves.

然后我们就觉得自己没毅力、不够好、不够在乎、不够想要，觉得像我们这样的人注定成不了事，把所有问题都怪到自己头上，其实根本不是你的问题。

And then we think we're not disciplined people and we think we're not a good person and we think we don't care enough and we think we don't want it enough and we think people like us don't get there and we internalize all these poor systems, and then you feel worse about yourself when it was never about you at all.

就像你刚说的，要是我冰箱里现在有块巧克力熔岩蛋糕，我今晚肯定直接干掉它。

Because like you just said, if I had chocolate fudge cake right now in my refrigerator, that is exactly what I would eat tonight.

对极了。

Yes.

我真正想要的，就是这个。

That's what I desire.

你要是现在问我最想吃啥，答案就一个：就是它。

If you ask me what I desire right now, that's what I want.

我以前对巧克力上瘾，但说实话，只要它不在身边——你说得对，那些App也是——我就得自己给自己制造一堆障碍。

I'm addicted to I used to be addicted to chocolate, but it's like, if it's not available, and you're right about the apps, then I have to all this friction.

所以我特别认同制造障碍这个想法。我们总以为通往目标的路上障碍太多，其实真正的障碍，早就摆在你身边了。

And so I love the idea of creating friction because we think there's friction to get to our goals, but the friction is just what you already have around you.

完全同意。

A thousand percent.

说来有趣，我从生活的方方面面都能看到这个道理，比如，你想结婚。

You know, it's funny because I look at it in every aspect of life, like, okay, you wanna get married.

人家就说，哎，这人这也不对那也不对的。

And people are like, well, this guy cheated this and that.

我就说，唉，他 probably 把出轨搞得也太容易了。

I'm like, well, he probably made it really easy to cheat.

然后人家就问，你这话啥意思？

And then they're like, what do you mean by that?

我跟亚历克斯刚结婚那会儿，有位导师给我们的第一条建议就是。

Something that me and Alex it was one of the first pieces of advice that we got from, I'll say a mentor when we got married.

他说，要是不想出轨，就别跟单身朋友瞎混。

He said, if you don't wanna cheat, don't go out with your single friends.

那时候我就随口应了声，哦，行吧。

And at the time, I just thought, okay.

但后来我用新的眼光重新想了想，才明白过来。

But then I really thought about that with this new lens later on.

原来啊，别把自己放在容易诱使你出轨的环境里。

Was like, oh, don't put yourself in environments where you're prompted to cheat.

对

Mhmm.

不作弊最简单的方法是什么？

What's the easiest way not to cheat?

多待在能让你想起自己婚姻美好的环境里，别把自己放在总被诱惑的环境里。

To put yourself in environments where you're reminded of your amazing marriage and to not put yourself in environments where you're constantly tempted to cheat.

是的

Yeah.

我觉得我看过不少研究，都说朋友里单身的越多，你出轨的可能性就越大。

And I think there's been a lot of studies on that that I've I've seen come out where it is like, the more single friends that you have, the more likely you are to cheat.

不可能吧。

No way.

对

Yeah.

相反，你身边幸福已婚的朋友越多，你自己的婚姻就越容易保持幸福和稳定。

Versus the more married happy friends you have, the more likely you are to stay happy and married.

其实就是因为你的环境、身边的人、周围的一切，都会不断提醒你。

It's like because your environment, the people around you, the things around you, all the that prompts you.

对。

Yeah.

我和亚历克斯经常聊这个，比如，只要有人邀请我们参加单身派对，我们一律拒绝。

And so it's it's actually something me and Alex talk about a lot because, you know, either of us, for example, if we get invited to a bachelor or bachelorette party, we say no.

然后别人就问：为啥啊？

And we're like, well, why?

我们说，那地方不就是让人放飞自我、到处撩人嘛。

We're like, well, they're just gonna go out and get single and, you know, try and get with people.

我不想把自己放在那种环境里。

We're like, I don't want to put myself in that situation.

我们不是觉得你意志力不够强，怕你忍不住出轨。

We're not like, oh, you don't have enough willpower not to cheat on me.

我是说，别去，真别去。

I'm like, no, don't do it.

我也不去。

I ain't going do it either.

明白吧？

Okay?

我们就是不想把自己放到这种境地里。

Like, we're just not going to put ourselves in this situation.

对。

Yeah.

就好比吧，我不想喝酒吸毒，那我干脆别晚上十一点后还出门，因为正常人十一点后能干啥？啥也干不了。

It's kind of like, okay, if I don't wanna drink and do drugs, maybe I shouldn't go out past eleven because what happens after eleven with anybody sober, not much.

是啊。

Yeah.

而且你想想，干嘛非得把自己放在不断考验自己的境地里呢？

And it's also like why put yourself in a position where you're always testing yourself, right?

生活已经够难了，干嘛还给自己添堵，去挑战那些你本来就想坚持的事？

It's like your life's hard enough, why are you making it harder to do the things you really wanna commit to and push yourself?

因为你就是在不断考验自己。

Because you're just testing yourself.

现在每晚都是考试，每个周末也是考试。

Now every evening is an exam and every weekend's an exam.

你干嘛非得让自己又想通过、又注定失败呢？

And it's like, why are you trying to pass and fail the test?

搞不好到周末你就累垮了，考试肯定过不了——不管是早起，还是创业，都一样。

Because chances are you're gonna be exhausted by the end of the week, you will fail the test, whatever that may be, whether it's waking up early, whether it's building a business.

整个周末你都在羡慕别人，身边全是不搞事业的人，你周一早上怎么可能爬得起来去干活？

If you're pining all weekend and you're surrounded by people who are not building a business, of course you're not gonna wake up early on a Monday morning and get to work.

当然不可能。

No.

你失败是因为你本来就累得不行，又只是想好好过日子而已。

Because you failed the test because of course you're exhausted and of course you've just been trying to live life.

对。

Yeah.

聊聊工作和生活的平衡吧，这话题到现在还是特别热门，感觉在我们这一代人眼里，这几乎是最重要的事——既想拼出最大成就，又想享最大清闲。

Talk to me about this idea of work life balance because it feels like it's still a big conversation And it feels like in today's generation, it's almost like seen as the biggest priority where we wanna have the biggest win, but we wanna have the biggest break.

你有没有在自己生活里，或者你带的那些人身上，看到过这种现象？

Talk to me about how you've seen that in your life and in the people you mentor.

我不知道我的看法是不是主流，但我觉得很多人谈工作生活平衡，是因为他们把工作跟痛苦、煎熬划等号。

I don't know if my opinion is popular, but I think that a lot of people talk about work life balance because they associate work with pain and suffering.

所以我看到很多人说‘我需要平衡’，其实根本不是因为太忙，而是他们根本不喜欢自己的工作。

And so I see a lot of people say I need work life balance because they don't actually enjoy their work.

但能不能找到自己喜欢的工作，这其实是一种能力。

And I think that's a skill, to know what kind of work you will enjoy.

我跟别人说‘哎，昨天算轻松的一天’的时候，其实我干了十二个小时。

When I tell people, I'm like, oh, I you know, yesterday was a light day.

你懂的吧？

I worked twelve hours.

对吧？

You know?

这怎么说？

And it's like, what?

但我跟配偶一起工作。

But I work with my spouse.

我跟所有同事都是朋友。

I have I'm friends with all the people that I work with.

我真心想跟他们聊天。

I genuinely wanna talk to all of them.

我跟我爸一起工作。

I work with my father.

我跟家人一起干，凭什么就不想干呢？

I work with my fam like, why would I not wanna be doing that?

我真的挺享受的。

Like, I enjoy it.

我确实很享受，而且觉得做的事特别有意义。

I genuinely do, and I find a lot of meaning in what I'm doing.

所以我觉得，首先呢，很多有工作的人都经历过特别糟的职场，那种经历啊，不知不觉就扭曲了他们对工作的看法——工作到底该是什么样子？

And so I think that, one, I think that, unfortunately, a lot of work like for people that have jobs, they've had such terrible jobs, and they've let that kind of taint their vision, their version of like, what what does work mean to you?

我能理解，因为我以前也遇到过一个特别烂的上司。

And I get that because I had a terrible boss once.

不过说真的，我其实遇到过特别好的上司。

Well, I I actually I had an amazing boss.

后来他主动带我入行销售，还帮着我度过了那段最难熬的时期。

And then a year after, he was the one that, like, got me into sales and, like, helped me get through that season.

结果一年后，公司把他调走了，换了个新领导。

They switched him out with a different boss.

那个新上司啊，简直差到极点。

He was a terrible boss.

我一下子就从热爱生活，变成每天在停车场哭着不想上班。

And I went from, like, loving my life to being, I don't wanna I'm, like, crying in the parking lot.

连进公司门我都觉得是种折磨。

I don't even wanna come in to work any day.

我感觉特别糟。

I feel miserable.

后来我回过神来才明白，这就是为什么很多人讨厌工作，工作才被说得这么差。

And I remember realizing, looking back, this is why people don't like work, and work gets a bad rap.

因为太多人把工作搞得本不该这么难。

Because there's so many people that almost like make the work so much harder than it need be.

其实我不是讨厌工作本身。

Because it wasn't work that I didn't like.

我是讨厌他。

It was him.

我觉得很多人对工作都有负面的印象。

And I think a lot of people have negative associations with work.

这也很正常，毕竟咱们一大半时间都耗在工作上。

And that also makes sense because you spend most of your time at work.

工作中总会遇到些让人糟心的事。

Things are gonna happen that are gonna suck.

有些事会发生，可能会把你彻底打垮。

Things are gonna happen that might really rock you.

但如果你任由这种想法扎根，那就别想翻身了，工作根本不可能变成你真正享受的事。

But if you allow that narrative to stick, then I don't think you can get to this other side where work can act because you'd be something that you enjoy.

我觉得这是其中关键的一点。

So I think that's one piece.

我觉得这特别难，而且这也跟我想说的另一件事息息相关——我看到太多人想当创业者了。

I really feel like that's a difficult piece of it, and I also think that kind of goes hand in hand with like, I see a lot of people who wanna be entrepreneurs.

他们想要地位。

They wanna have status.

他们想要名气，但就是不想当个好领导。

They wanna have fame, but they don't wanna be good leaders.

这很要命，因为这种心态也会让非创业者的人对工作产生偏见。

And that is hard because I think that that also taints people's view of work, people that are not entrepreneurs.

对吧？

Right?

现在呢，你遇到的都是糟糕的领导。

It's like now you have bad leaders.

你对工作产生了负面的印象。

You have negative associations with work.

所以确实，很多人都说：我五点必须走，整天干这个太折磨人了。

So yes, people are like, I need to be done at five because this is painful for me to be doing this all day.

我累得要死，也不喜欢这活儿。

I'm exhausted, and I don't like it.

但如果你真喜欢一件事，你就想多做点。

But if you like it, if you like anything, you wanna do more of it.

所以我以前常想：我这一生到底想要什么？

And so when I thought about like, what do I want in life?

我想要一份工作，让我根本不想停下来。

I want work that doesn't make me want to stop working.

就算我得五点收工——顺便说一句，你再喜欢干啥，一天到晚也得歇会儿，人总会累的。

Like, if I feel like I have to end at five, which by the way, you probably want to end doing anything at some point in the day because you're fucking tired.

我也不知道还能说啥了。

I don't know what else to say.

比如我和我老公待着，我都想说：我受够你了。

Like, I could be with my husband and be like, I'm done with you.

今天咱们俩都腻歪够了。

Like, we've been around each other enough today.

我去健身的时候，也觉得：累死了。

I could be working out and be like, I'm exhausted.

我都练了三个小时了。

I've been in gym three hours.

跟闺蜜聊天的时候，也一样。

I could be talking to girlfriends.

我就说：我真的不说了。

I'd be like, I'm done.

我们四个小时都没啥可聊的了。

Like, we have nothing to talk about in four hours.

所以一天当中，你精力就那么多，迟早会耗尽。

So anything at some point in the day, you only have so much energy.

但当你把工作跟这种感觉挂钩——觉得工作就该是枯燥、累人、让人讨厌的东西，这种联想就根深蒂固了。

But when you build this association, thinking that this thing called work needs to be it's like this association that's built that it's something you dislike, and it's hard and bad.

我们现在生活的这个世界，简直酷到没朋友。

We live in this world that is so freaking cool right now.

太多人能自由选择自己想做的事，机会多得数不清。

So many people get to choose what they can do, and there's so many options.

不是非得在A工作和B工作之间二选一。

It's not just do I get this job or this job.

你完全可以自己搞个东西出来。

It's I can build this thing.

你可以在网上做点什么。

I can do this online.

你甚至能当个网红。

I can become an influencer here.

我还能在这儿卖东西。

I can sell here.

能做的事太多了，选择多到数不清。

Can do there's so many options.

我觉得大多数人其实都在追求错的目标，我跟你说啊。

And I think it's mostly that people are optimizing for the wrong outcome, which is and I'll tell you this.

这最后一句就收尾了。

This will wrap it all up.

很多人坐下来就想：我到底想干嘛？其实他们心里想的是：别人会怎么夸我？

A lot of people sit down, they think, what do I want to what they really are thinking when they're thinking, what job do I want?

我想开什么公司？

What business do I want?

别人会为我鼓掌什么？

Is what are people gonna applaud me for?

结果因为这个，他们选了自己根本不喜欢、也不擅长、更不适合自己的路。

And then because of that, they sign up for something that they don't actually like, they're not good at, and they're not engineered for.

然后他们就不喜欢了，就开始追求平衡。

And then they don't like it, and then they need balance.

我刚开始做 acquisition.com 的时候，花了好几个星期反复问自己：我每天真正喜欢做什么？

When I started acquisition.com, it was weeks of thinking to myself, what do I like doing every day?

我想和什么样的人在一起工作？

Who are the people I want to be surrounded by?

我到底享受哪些事？

What are the things I like doing?

什么工作我能一干就是三十年？

What could I see myself doing for thirty years?

想清楚这些之后，再围绕它们去创业，这样我一辈子都能做这些事。

Then build the business off of that, knowing that I can still be doing those things throughout the whole time.

所以我现在做的这份工作，比我的第一个创业项目更让我热爱。

That's why I love what I do now even more than my first business.

我的第一个项目，根本不是这么搞起来的。

My first business was not how I built it.

当时就想，行吧，这招管用，还赚钱了。

It was like, okay, well this worked, made money.

那就干吧。

Let's build it.

结果我突然意识到，我怎么这么累啊？我到底图啥？

And then I was like, why do I not I I need like I was exhausted.

我觉得我得找点平衡。

I felt like I needed balance.

我得给自己定个规矩，过了点就不能再看Slack了。

I like needed to not look at Slack after a certain time.

那感觉太折磨人了。

It felt punishing.

但这次完全不一样。

And with this, it's so different.

因为我特意设计成这样——工作是我真喜欢做的事。

And it's because I engineered it to be that work is something I like doing.

所以我觉得，与其想着怎么在生活里多挤点平衡，不如想想怎么让工作本身变得让你喜欢。

And so I think rather than thinking like how do I put more balance in my life, it's thinking how do I make work something that I enjoy doing.

我觉得很多人根本没认真想过这个问题。

And I don't think that people put a lot of thought into that.

有些人听了可能觉得，Leila，我做不到啊。

And some people might listen to this and maybe think, well, Leila, I can't do that.

我就只能干这份工作。

Like, I can only work this job.

我手头就这点资源。

I only have this many resources.

就这点钱。

Have this money.

我甚至可以告诉你，当年我在果汁店当收银员的时候，我记得跟老板聊过，她真的特别启发我，她说：你怎么才能让每个来这儿的顾客，因为你的工作而让这一天变得更好？

I mean, I can even tell you that when I was a cashier at a smoothie stand, I remember talking to my boss, and she inspired me so much because she said, how can you make just every person's day better by working here?

因为我当时说，这工作挺无聊的。

Because I said the job's kind of boring.