513 | 战锤40000：黑暗潮汐 - 卡牌游戏

如果能把它们全部提升到五级，那么它们都能存活。

If can get them all up to five, then they all survive.

如果你把它们提升得更高，这个蜂巢的表现会更好。

And if you get them higher, then this the hive will do even better.

但确实如此。

But yeah.

当你进行战役时，最终会解锁更危险的敌人并随机加入。

So as you're playing the campaign, you'll eventually unlock nastier enemies that get shuffled in.

你的角色会获得越来越强大的武器。

Your characters will get stronger and stronger weapons.

你可以让自己的技能消耗更低。

You'll get to make your abilities cheaper.

所以你在升级。

So you're leveling up.

敌人也在升级。

The enemies are leveling up.

在每个任务中，你还需要在每一轮生成更多的敌人。

You also, in each mission, have to spawn more enemies each round.

所以这并不是彻底改变你的玩法，但能带来明显的成长感。

So it's not like drastically changing what you're doing, but it has an appreciable sense of growth.

即使你失败了，这也是‘失败中前进’。

Even if you fail, it's it's fail forward.

即使你第一次失败，也会得到一点安慰奖，比如依然能稍微升级一下。

You'll even the first time you fail, you'll get, like, a little pity prize where you get to level up a little bit anyway.

所以我认为，对于一个基础的战役系统来说，这是可选的，因为你可以随时在任何难度下单独游玩。

So I think for a basic campaign system, that is optional because, again, you can play one off at any level.

我觉得它运作得相当不错。

I think it works quite well.

是的。

Yep.

不。

No.

我同意，我还想补充一点，因为这并不是我之前提到的要点，他们还有一个教学任务。

I agree, and I'll I just add one little bit to it because this was not one of my points, is they have a tutorial mission as well.

这个教学任务非常直接明了。

And the tutorial mission is very straightforward.

你只需要玩四轮，而不是七轮。

You just play through four rounds instead of seven.

所以这是一种快速学习游戏的好方法。

So it's a nice quick way to learn the game.

你只能使用基础武器进行。

You only do it with basic weapons.

你只面对非常基础的敌人，但这种方式很好，而且应该相当简单。

You only do it against very basic enemies, but it's a nice way, and it should be pretty easy.

我觉得击败这个首关任务应该不难，但它能很好地教你游戏的核心机制，是引导新人入门的好方式。

I think it's pretty straightforward to beat that first mission, but it teaches you the core mechanics of the game very well, and it's a good way to introduce people to the game.

所以甚至还有一个所谓的‘零号任务’教学关卡，你会玩到。

So there is even a, you know, mission zero tutorial that you'll play.

但我的第一点，或者说是第五点吧，是小兵的多样性。

But my number one point or my number five point, I guess, is the minion variety.

这一点做得相当不错。

And this is pretty good.

我的意思是，这基本上是个优点。

I mean, it's mostly a pro.

我觉得唯一的缺点是，他们可以增加更多任务或更多小兵种类。

I mean, the only con about it is they could have more mission or more minion variety, I feel like.

即使小兵升级后，它们本质上也只是游戏中基础小兵的更强版本。

Even as the minions level up, they basically become harder versions of the basic minions in the game.

有些小兵一开始就有三条生命，并且会根据剩余生命值对你造成伤害。

So some of the minions are, like, they have three life early on, and, like, they will do damage to you based on how much life they have left.

还有一些小兵会在回合结束时如果还活着，就会生成额外的小兵。

Or other minions will, like, spawn additional minions if they're still alive at the end of the round.

另一些小兵则不会攻击前排玩家，而是攻击后排玩家。

Other ones will, instead of attacking the front player, attack the back player.

但通常来说，这些小兵在更高级别时只是生命值和伤害更高。

But usually, they just get more life and more damage at the higher levels of these minions.

所以虽然多样性还算不错，刚玩的时候还挺有意思的，天啊。

So while there is a decent amount of variety, it's kinda cool when you're first playing, it's like, oh, man.

这些敌人组合得真奇怪。

This is a weird combination of enemies.

天哪。

And, oh, gosh.

我们不能让这些家伙跑到前排，因为他们在前排时对我们造成的伤害会更大。

We can't let these guys to the front row, cause they actually do more damage to us when they're in the front row.

所以我们要把他们留在其他人后面，这样他们对我们造成的伤害就会更少，甚至为零，同时还得确保前排有敌人活着。

So let's keep them back behind everybody else so they're doing less or even zero damage to us and keep you know, we have to keep this enemy alive in the front row.

因此，这几乎成了一个谜题：你该如何攻击敌人，因为位于他们后面的敌人会根据位置造成不同的伤害。

So there there's almost a puzzle there of how you want to attack enemies because the enemies behind them might do different damage based on their location.

所以这有点像一个有趣的谜题，敌人的种类也相当丰富。

So it's kind of a fun puzzle, and there is a decent variety in enemies.

但随着你继续深入战役，你会不断遇到同样的敌人，这也没关系。

But as you play further and further into the campaign, like, you you start getting to see the same enemies over and over, which is fine.

敌人的多样性还不错。

The variety is good.

本可以做得更好。

It could have been better.

我就说到这里。

That's where I'll leave it.

所以对我来说，这主要是优点。

So it's mostly a pro for me.

是的。

Yeah.

这实际上是我的第四点。

And that's actually my number four.

嗯，有两点。

Well, two things.

敌人和事件卡牌。

The enemies and also the event cards.

关于敌人，我完全同意彼得的观点。

So in terms of the enemies, I'll agree a 100% with Peter.

在这次评测中，我会多次提到，对我来说，这是一款类似喝啤酒吃咸花生的轻松休闲游戏。

I'm gonna say multiple times in this review that this is like a beer and pretzels kinda light casual fun game to me.

我认为他们并不是追求非常策略性的玩法，无论好坏，这一点也适用于敌人。

I don't think they're going for, like, very strategic play for better or worse, And I think that kind of applies to the enemies as well.

你会遇到一些新类型的敌人，它们并不是简单地作为第三波或敌人第三解锁版本的升级版。

That they I mean, you get a few new types that aren't just straight up leveled up versions in, like, wave three or whatever it is, like, third unlock of enemies you get.

但没错，这一切都相当直接明了。

But, yeah, it's all pretty straightforward.

但我认为让它更胜一筹的是事件系统。

But what I do think takes it a little bit of a step above is the event system.

正如彼得提到的，你需要在这些事件中坚持度过七轮。

So as Peter talked about, you're, like, trying to survive seven rounds through these events.

每一轮你都会翻出一张事件卡，这也是战役难度逐渐提升的方式之一，因为事件一开始只是普通和困难级别。

So each round, you flip up one event, and this is one way the campaign also gets harder because the events will start out, like, just normal and hard.

最终可能会升级为极难难度。

It may eventually get to extreme difficulty.

所以整体难度会这样逐步提升。

So things will kinda ramp up that way.

但这些事件在当回合都会带来一些额外加成。

But the events will have a little bonus for the turn.

有些事件会生成一个类似小型Boss的角色，你需要应对它。

Some of them will spawn a kinda like little mini boss you gotta deal with.

如果你不能快速击杀它，那会相当困难。

That's quite hard if you don't kill them fast enough.

有些事件会给予你奖励。

Some of them will give you a reward.

它们就像是在说：嘿。

They're like, hey.

如果你在这一轮中消灭了所有敌人，就会获得一些额外的 Reload 或其他奖励。

If you kill all the enemies this round, you get, like, some extra reloads or some other stuff.

所以我觉得这些事件的设计很有意思，变化挺丰富的。

So I think, like, there's some nice variety in the events.

战役的机制是：你用过的事件会被移除，除非那种类型的事件已经用完了。

And how the campaign works is the ones you use get taken away unless you run out of events of that type.

随着游戏进行，你会遇到不同的小Boss和事件中的各种小细节。

You're gonna see different mini bosses and different, like, little nuances to the events as you play through.

我觉得这种设计很贴心，要知道，这毕竟是一款相当直白的休闲游戏。

And I just think it's a nice touch, you know, again, for a pretty straightforward casual game.

敌人本身并不算太强，但加上你翻出的那些事件，整个系统就变得相当不错了。

The enemies aren't crazy on their own, but add in those events you're flipping, and I think it's it's a pretty nice system.

是的。

Yeah.

不。

No.

我完全同意。

I totally agree.

我也同意你的看法，这确实是个轻松休闲的游戏。

And I agree with you that it's a beer and pretzels.

而且，回头想想，我不希望让小怪听起来很糟糕。

And, you know, going back, I don't wanna make the minions sound bad.

说实话，重复性高可能是好事，因为一开始你会觉得天啊，这些小怪都各不相同。

Honestly, it's probably good that it's repetitive, because at first, it is like, oh my gosh, all these minions are different.

对吧？

Right?

所以你慢慢熟悉它们之后，游戏节奏反而变快了，这一点很棒。

So the fact that you do get used to them and it actually speeds up gameplay the more you get used to them is cool.

我后面会谈到一个点，那里我的多样性体验甚至超过了小怪本身。

And I'm gonna get to a point later that will is where my variety comes in even more so than the minions themselves.

但在那之前，我的第四点是关于能量系统以及它是如何运作的。

But before I get there, my number four point is the energy and how the energy works.

正如我所说，它基本上有三种用途。

Like I said, there's basically three uses for it.

一种是重新洗牌你的牌组。

One is to reshuffle your deck.

另一种是治疗你自己或治疗任何人，因为如果有人死亡，你并不会立即失败，对吧？

Another one is to heal yourself too or heal anybody too, because if anybody dies, then you you don't lose the mission right away, do you?

不，你会失败。

Or no, you do lose.

只要有人死亡，你就输了任务。

As soon as somebody dies, you lose the mission.

所以，是的。

So, yeah.

所以治疗任何人，这里有一点合作的成分，这很不错。

So healing anybody, so there's a little bit of cooperation there, which is nice.

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

当整个团队都死亡时，你就输了。

You you lose when the entire team dies.

原来是这样，我明白了。

That's what it oh, okay.

是的。

Yeah.

因为你想一想。

Because think about it.

记得吗，如果前排玩家承受太多伤害而死亡，别忘了，你其实可以治疗队友复活。

Remember how, like, if the front player takes too much damage and dies, then because the don't forget, you you can heal people back.

是的。

Yeah.

你可以治疗队友，没错。

You can heal people That's right.

是的。

Yeah.

你们必须同时全部倒下。

You have to all be down at the same time.

你说得对。

You're right.

我们从来没人倒下过，是吧？

We never had anybody go down, did you?

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

当然。

Definitely.

好的。

Okay.

算了。

Never mind.

好吧。

Alright.

所以，嗯，我可能没有像你那样玩到战役的那么后面。

So, well, I probably didn't play as far into the campaign as you did.

我们连第三副牌堆都没打到。

We didn't make it even to that to that third deck of

嗯，我很快就从你那儿借来了，所以这有点是我的错。

Well, I borrowed it from you pretty quickly, so it's kinda my fault.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

不。

No.

不过没关系。

That's okay though.

我的意思是，无论如何，我会在最后的想法里提到这个。

I mean, anyway, we'll get into that in my final thoughts.

但能量系统很有趣，因为你必须花费能量来治疗自己或重新洗牌。

But So the energy is interesting because you have to pay to either heal yourself or reshuffle your deck.

对吧？

Right?

而且确实有几次，当我们快打完牌堆时，就会觉得：糟了。

And there are definitely times where we're near the end of the deck, and it's like, uh-oh.

比如，我没能量来发动这个了。

Like, I don't have energy to do this.

其中有一个选项，你可以直接跳过整个回合来重新洗牌，但规则里也明确说了。

And there is an option in there where you can basically skip your whole turn to reshuffle your deck, but they even say right in the rules.

他们说：我们不推荐这样做。

They're like, we do not recommend this.

不过，确实有一局游戏我本该采纳这个建议的，因为当时我手里有两张牌，却只能打出一张。

Well, there was definitely one game I should have taken them up on it though because, I had two cards in hand, and I could only play one of them.

通常情况下，每回合你会打出四到五张牌。

And, usually, you're playing four to five cards per round.

实际上，回合数非常少。

Like, there are very few rounds.

如果你只打了三张牌，那已经是相当糟糕的一轮了。

Like, if you're playing three, that's a pretty bad round.

而且还有些方法可以让其他玩家抽牌。

And there are ways to make other people draw cards.

所以，如果你是第二或第三个玩家，可能会因为别人不断给你抽牌的机会，而打出六张、七张甚至八张牌。

So if you're, like, second or third player, you might even be playing six, seven, eight cards in a round as more people give you opportunities to draw cards.

天哪。

It's like, oh, man.

我还没凑出组合。

I don't have a combo yet.

哦，我有个办法让你抽牌。

Oh, I have a way to make you draw a card.

好的。

Alright.

我先来，然后让你抽牌，之后你就可以随便行动了。

I'll go first, and I'll, like, make it so you can draw cards, and then you could do whatever.

所以这里有一点合作的成分，但我现在根本没在谈能量的事。

So there is a little bit of cooperation there, but I am not even talking about the energy anymore.

但关键是把能量拿回来。

But it's, like, getting back the energy.

第三个选项总是角色独有的。

The third option is always unique to the characters.

这个能力还挺有趣、很酷的。

And this is kind of a fun, cool power.

你知道的，它们当中并没有谁一定比谁更好。

You know, they're not some of them are better than others.

我会这么说。

I will say that.

我觉得这些英雄的能力等级确实有些差异，但我觉得他们的卡组也略有不同，从而弥补了这一点。

I do think there is a a difference in the power level of some of these heroes, but I think they make up for it a little bit in their decks are a little bit different as well.

比如，每个人都有一个独特的终极卡，效果很酷，而且和其他角色都不一样。

Like, everybody's got an ultimate card that does something pretty cool that's different, you know, than any other characters as well.

所以，我觉得他们在平衡性上做得相当不错。

So, I think they do a pretty good job of balancing.

但每个能力也都挺有趣的。

But each of those powers is fun as well.

所以，你想把能量用在所有事情上，但很多时候，那些给你能量的卡牌都会给你一个选择。

So, you wanna use this energy for everything, but a lot of times on cards that give you energy, they give you a choice.

你是想获得防御，还是想获得能量？

You wanna get defense, or do you wanna get energy?

有时候，这个选择真的很难，因为我觉得我真的很需要这个防御，不然我们可能会死。

And sometimes, that's a really tough choice because it's like, I really need this defense, or we're gonna, you know, die.

但如果我不多拿一点能量，我就没法重新洗牌，拿到一副新牌。

But if I don't get one more energy, I'm also not gonna be able to reshuffle my cards and get a new deck.

或者，如果我拿了这个能量，也许我们就不需要防御了，因为我的特殊能力能帮我们多击杀两到三个敌人。

Or if I take this one energy, maybe we won't need the defense because my special power will help us kill two or three more guys than we would have.

所以，这个防御其实没那么有用。

So that one defense is, like, not as good as that.

我觉得很多这样的策略性选择都源于这个能量系统，虽然一开始它看起来像是游戏中的小部分，但却是游戏中非常有趣的决策环节。

So I think this is where a lot of these strategic choices come in, is this energy system, even though it seems like a minor part of the game at the beginning, but it is a fun decision making part of the game.

这就是能量系统。

So that's the energy system.

是的。

Yeah.

顺便说一下，我觉得这叫耐力。

And I think it's called stamina, by the way.

我说的就是耐力。

I meant stamina.

说到这点，我不确定。

Cute this point, I don't know.

我的第三点是，稍微延续一下彼得的说法，那就是角色和物品，它们基本上是定义和改变你能力的主要因素。

My number three is, again, bridging off Peter's a little It is the characters and the items, kinda like the main things that define and change your abilities.

这一点，我觉得是好坏参半。

And this, I would call a mixed bag.

正如彼得提到的，每个角色都有独特的行动牌组，但也没那么独特。

As Peter mentioned, each character has a unique action deck, but it's not that unique.

比如，我的角色可能有更多的近战攻击。

Like, my character might have a bit more melee attacks.

你的角色可能有更多的远程攻击。

Your character might have a few more range attacks.

正如彼得所说，每个卡组中都有一种独特的超级攻击。

Like Peter said, there's a single kind of super attack in each deck that's different.

但这些行动卡组在角色之间的差异感并不明显。

But the action decks don't really feel that different character to character.

而且你确实拥有一个不同的能力，别误会。

And then you do have the one different ability, and don't get me wrong.

那是你最常使用的技能，但它们都主要是以造成伤害为主。

That's the ability you're gonna use most often, but they're all, like, damage focused.

你的所有特殊技能都像是击杀型技能。

All of your special abilities are, like, kill abilities.

并没有哪个角色拥有像治疗这样的主要特殊能力。

It's not like somebody has, like, a major special ability that's, like, healing or anything.

但别误会。

But it's still don't get me wrong.

这仍然很有趣。

It's still fun.

比如，当我玩狙击手时，感觉和近战型角色很不一样，尤其是能力和卡组的组合上。

Like, when I played the sniper, it felt a little bit different than, like, the melee focused person and certainly the combination of the abilities and the different deck.

然后是道具和武器，你可以装备的武器数量取决于你所进行的任务。

And then the items, the weapons, you get to equip a number of weapons equal to the mission you're on.

比如在第三关，你可以带一把零级武器和一把三级武器，因为你有近战和远程武器。

Like, So, in mission three, you can take, like, a level zero weapon and a level three weapon because you have a melee and a range weapon.

这些武器差别还挺大的。

And those are pretty different.

每个职业都有不同等级的一级到三级武器，而且每个等级都有多种选择。

Like, each of the classes has different level one through three weapons and, like, multiples of each level.

所以这里有一些很酷的搭配选择。

So there are some cool choices there.

不过，彼得刚才也提到了平衡性问题。

That, though, is also Peter talked about balance.

我现在玩过所有四个角色了，完全同意有些特殊能力确实比其他能力强很多。

I fully agree that some of the special character powers are way better than others, having played all four of them a bit now.

但在平衡性问题上，更让我在意的其实是武器系统。

But what bothers me even more about the balance is the weapons.

我不知道你有没有发现这点，彼得，或者你是否认同我的看法。

I don't know if you found this, Peter, or if you agree.

很多时候哪把武器更厉害都实在是太明显了。

It was so obvious in many cases, like, which weapons were better.

比如有些武器能让你获得一次免费攻击，或是在你首次用它攻击时附加2点额外伤害。

Like, some weapons, like, give you get get a free attack or get plus two damage every time, like, the first time you attack with this.

还有些武器就真的很一般，怎么说呢。

And other weapons were like, hey.

偶尔才能恢复一点体力值。

Every once a while, get a single stamina.

这平衡性实在是太差了。

And it just did not seem very balanced.

玩战役模式的时候最让我难受的是，它就连同等级的内容都做不到平衡。

And what frustrated me the most as we played the campaign is that it wasn't even balanced for, like, the level.

比如，我和我儿子主要玩的那个角色，三级时的能力明显比二级时差很多。

So for example, the character that I was playing mainly with my son, their level threes, thought, were markedly worse than their level twos.

公平地说，游戏确实允许你选择低于当前任务所允许的等级，然后你会得到一些免费防御之类的补偿。

And to be fair, the game does give you the option to take lower levels than what your current mission would allow you to, and then you get, like, some free defense or something as a consolation prize.

但老天啊，这合理吗？

But, like, come on, man.

我想提升到应有的等级，我一直在换武器。

Like, I I wanna be level like I've been changing my weapons.

我不想一遍又一遍地用同样的武器组合，因为它们平衡得太差，简直破烂不堪。

I don't wanna use the same weapon combo over and over because they balance it poorly and it's busted.

所以我觉得这有点烦人，因为武器是角色之间最重要的差异化因素之一。

So I did find that a little bit annoying because that's one of the biggest differentiating factors factors between characters, their weapons.

别误会我的意思。

Get me wrong.

武器本身还是挺有趣的。

The weapons are still fun.

我喜欢连招。

I like the combos.

我喜欢那些能提供免费攻击的武器，但我觉得他们在实际提升武器强度、让选择变得有趣方面，做得有点敷衍，这让我有点失望。

I like the weapons that gave me free attacks, but I was a little disappointed that it seemed like they kinda did, in my opinion, a slapdash job in terms of actually power leveling the weapons and making it an interesting choice.

我一直很清楚哪个武器最强，该选哪个。

I thought it was always incredibly obvious which weapon was the best and which one I should take.

是的。

Yeah.

我稍后再谈这个。

I'll get to that later.

哦，好的。

Oh, okay.

我基本同意你的看法，但我的确有一些想法：是的，如果你是追求等级提升的玩家，我同意你。

I mostly agree with you, but I I do have some thoughts where, yes, if you're a power leveler, I I agree with you.

对。

Yeah.

对于正在收听的观众，我就是这样的人。

And for those listening, I am.

比如，如果你不是那种会仔细研究每一个选项、找出统计上最优解的人，我就是那种人，我知道这并不有趣。

Like, if you're somebody who doesn't, you know, I'm the kind of guy that'll look at every option and find the, like, statistically best option, and I know that's not fun.

如果你不是这样玩的，就别担心。

And if you don't play that way, don't worry about it.

这不会对你造成太大困扰。

It's not gonna bother you too much.

没错。

Correct.

我会说，其他武器依然很有趣。

I will say the other weapons are still fun.

你觉得怎么样？

How about that?

比如，有办法让它们变得有趣。

Like, there are ways to make them fun.

有趣的是，你提到有些武器能增加一点能量。

Like, it's funny you said there's weapons that give you plus one energy.

我凑了两个这样的武器，所以每回合能免费获得两点能量或耐力，不管怎么叫吧。

I put two of those together, so I was getting two free energy or stamina turn or whatever.

然后我把我的特殊能力变得非常便宜，就这样不停地连招使用特殊能力。

Then I made my special power super cheap, and, like, I was just chaining my special power over and over.

所以，虽然我觉得你说得对，但这样一来，这个武器就能让你免费触发特殊能力。

So while I think you are correct, then it's like, oh, well, this one will just trigger your special power for free.

是的。

Yes.

我明白这一点，但有时候，自己琢磨出一些酷炫的组合来达成目标会更有趣。

I understand that, but more fun to, like, come up with cool combos of stuff to do things sometimes.

所以，我认为里面已经足够丰富，能支持不同玩家的多样化玩法。

So, I I think there is enough stuff in there for different player variety.

不过，再说一遍，我本不该现在谈这个，因为我会稍后再讲。

But, again, I'm gonna get to that later, so I shouldn't have talked about it now.

好吧。

Alright.

我现在要讲的内容挺有趣的。

What I'm gonna talk about now, it's funny.

你可以把事件和小怪结合起来。

You combine the events with the minions.

我把事件和任务本身的多样性结合起来了，嗯。

I combined the events with the mission variety itself Mhmm.

还有出现的Boss和其他东西。

And, like, the bosses and things that come out.

所以，正如迈克所说，你在开始时选择一个任务。

So, as Mike said, you choose a mission at the beginning.

每次游玩时，你都会选择一个不同的任务。

Each time you play, you're gonna choose a different mission.

每个任务都会有一个最终事件，就像我说的，它可能会召唤出一个Boss。

It will have a final event associated with Like I said, it might bring out a boss.

它可能会带来其他任何东西。

It might bring out whatever else.

但让每局游戏不同的另一点是，即使你最后选择了相同的敌人，正如迈克之前所说，你有一定数量的简单事件、普通事件、困难事件、极难事件，不管怎么称呼。

But the other thing that makes it different from game to game, even if you choose the same enemy at the end is, as Mike said earlier, you have a certain number of easy events, or norm normal events, hard events, extremely hard events, whatever they're called.

比如，有很多不同难度的事件卡。

Like, there's a bunch of different level event cards.

它们让每局游戏都各不相同。

They make it different from game to game.

每一轮，谜题都会不一样。

Each round, the puzzle's gonna be different.

很多时候这些是负面效果，但有时也会是，如果你能成功清除所有敌人，我们可能会给你一些正面奖励。

A lot of times, those are negative, but sometimes, it's like, well, if you can manage to clear out all the enemies, we might give you something positive.

所以每项任务之间都有变化。

So there is variety from mission to mission.

即使你反复玩同一个任务，最终Boss也一样，也许中途会出现一个小型Boss。

Even if you play the same mission over and over, and you have the same boss at the end, maybe you have a mini boss that comes out halfway through.

所以每次游玩时都会有一些有趣的差异，因为你不会每次都遇到相同顺序的事件。

So there are fun differences every time you play just because you are not gonna get the same events in the same order.

有时候，会出现一些空档期，这其实是好事。

And sometimes, it'll be like, you'll have lulls, which is good.

让你能稍微喘口气，重新调整一下。

Like, lets you kind of regroup a little bit.

但有时候，你可能会一直面对特别困难的情况。

And then, you know, sometimes you're gonna have really hard stuff the whole time.

所以任务在不同时间里感觉各有不同。

So missions felt varied from time to time.

即使我玩的是同一个任务，我也知道最后需要做什么。

Even if I was playing the same mission, I knew what I had to do at the end.

正如迈克之前说的，这真的很像波次生存模式。

You really as Mike said earlier, it's like wave survival.

你真正要做的就是撑过这一波，尽可能以良好的状态进入下一波——保留尽可能多的能量、防御力，并在回合结束时让场上的敌人数量最少。

You're really just trying to survive that wave and get onto the next wave with as you know, in as good a position as you can be with as much energy, as much defense, and as few enemies on the board as possible at the end of the round.

但有时候这意味着不要击杀敌人，正如我之前所说，因为有些敌人在前排时要比在后排时强得多。

But sometimes that means not killing enemies, as I said earlier, because some enemies are way tougher when they're in the front row than when they're further back.

所以有时候你会想，好吧，也许这一回合我们承受多两点伤害，让场上多留几个敌人，但如果我们这样操作，未来会更有利。

So sometimes you're like, well, maybe we'll just take this two extra damage this turn and have a few more enemies on the board, but it's gonna set us up way better for the future if we do it that way.

所以我们就这么保持下去。

So that's how we're gonna keep it.

我觉得他们做得真的很棒。

So I just thought they did a really good job.

再说一遍，这并不是一款昂贵的游戏。

Again, this is not an expensive game.

它大概只值三四十美元。

It's like a 30 or $40 game.

它就是一堆卡片。

It's just a bunch of cards.

但我认为，凭借他们所使用的工具，游戏中融入了大量变化，尤其是这些任务和事件。

But I think with the tools that they were using, there was a lot of variety put in, and especially because of these missions and events.

是的

Yeah.

我完全同意这些观点。

Fully agree with all of that.

好的。

Alright.

我排在第二位的、对这个游戏最负面的评价，而且它仅仅排在第二位。

My number two, the most negative thing I have to say about the game, and it is all the way at number two.

这确实让我挺困扰的，那就是游戏的波动性和雪球效应。

So it definitely bugged me a good bit, and that is the swinginess and the snowballing effect.

不过说公平点，这是一款波次防御游戏。

Now this is, to be fair, a wave defense game.

无论是在电子游戏还是桌游中，只要涉及塔防、波次防御这类机制，它们本身就容易产生雪球效应。

And whether it's a video game or a board game, anytime you have a tower defense or wave defense or any of those kind of things, they kinda lend themselves to snowballing.

对吧？

Right?

因为如果你不杀死敌人，敌人就会越来越多，而且还会不断涌来。

Because if you don't kill things, there are more things to kill and more things keep coming.

对吧？

Right?

而如果你把所有敌人全都消灭了，那么面对新出现的敌人就会轻松得多。

Whereas if you kill everything, it's gonna be a lot easier to deal with the new people that show up.

是的。

Yep.

但我要说，对于这款游戏来说，对我来说是利弊参半，而不是完全的缺点，因为它也带来了乐趣的起伏节奏。

So but I I will say for this game in particular, it is a mix for me, not a full con, because it also kinda leads to the fun ebb and flow of things.

比如，特别是当一个小Boss出现的时候。

So, like, especially, for example, when a mini boss comes out.

首先，它们非常致命。

First of all, they're a lot killer.

不是非常致命。

Not a lot killer.

更难击杀。

A lot harder to kill.

它们通常拥有更恶劣的能力。

They tend to have nastier abilities.

最重要的是，一些事件卡会生成额外的迷你Boss，这些迷你Boss会召唤更多敌人。

And then the big thing is all the mini bosses that you can get from some of the event cards will spawn more enemies.

它们会增加增援值。

They increase the reinforcement value.

所以在那些我们能立即击杀迷你Boss的游戏中，玩起来很有趣。

So in the games where we could kill the mini boss right away, it was fun.

非常刺激。

It was exciting.

但在那些我们无法击杀的游戏中，我们常常因迷你Boss仍在，而突然冒出八名新敌人而溃败。

In the games where we couldn't, we often snowballed to a loss because suddenly there's the mini boss is still there, and now there's, like, eight new guys.

你知道的。

You know?

而你只是得到了‘是的’。

And you're just getting Yep.

因为彼得提到，有些敌人在前排时会获得加成。

Because the thing is, Peter mentioned some enemies do get a bonus for being at the front.

但除此之外，到了敌人回合，所有敌人的伤害都会累计，然后一起猛攻你。

But besides that, like, everybody's on the enemy turn, all their damage is totaled, and they just wail on you.

不管那个拿剑的家伙排在第85位。

Doesn't matter if, like, a dude with a sword is 85 guys back.

他 somehow 会把剑扔到你脸上。

He's throwing that sword in your face somehow.

所以，是的，这听起来很荒谬，但也构成了游戏的独特体验。

So, yeah, like, it it's it's silly, but it also leads to kind of the texture of the game.

但我要说，随着战役推进，这对我来说依然感觉很负面，因为我经历了太多要么轻松获胜、要么令人沮丧地惨败的游戏。

But I will say it still ended up feeling negative for me as the campaign went along because I just had too many games that ended up being easy wins or ended up being, like, frustratingly crushing losses.

公平地说，大多数时候我都是轻松获胜的那一方。

To be fair, they mostly were the easy win side.

比如，它确实更偏向于容易获胜的一方，而且通关战役后你可以开启困难模式，让游戏变得难得多，并且从一开始就包含各种元素，有点像你已经解锁了所有内容。

Like, it definitely went more on the easy win side, and they have a hard mode you can play after you beat the campaign that makes things a lot tougher and, like, has the varied elements in there from the beginning, kinda like you've already unlocked everything.

所以你的体验可能因人而异。

So your your mileage may vary.

但我还是觉得这是一款有趣的游戏。

I still think it's a fun game.

哦，还有，抽卡的运气成分也很多，因为我有时候会依赖抽到四张牌才能触发强力组合。

Oh, also, there's also a lot of card draw luck because I sometimes I would have combos that were, like, amazingly dependent on me drawing four cards.

如果我没抽到四张牌，而且我的队友也没抽到能让我额外抽牌的增益卡，那我这一回合能做的事就少得多，嘿。

And if I didn't draw four cards and my my partners didn't draw these boost cards to let the other player draw extra cards, well, I'm I'm doing way less in my turn, and, hey.

现在存活的敌人变多了，嘿。

Now there's more enemies alive, and, hey.

现在他们攻击我的次数也更多了。

Now they're hitting me more.

你懂的？

You know?

所以它可能就这样逐渐升级了。

So it it it could just kinda ramp up like that.

但这些都是游戏随机乐趣的一部分，所以我也没太在意。

But it's it's all part of the random fun of the game, so I'm not holding it against it too much.

但我确实认为，有必要意识到这个游戏可能非常不稳定，存在雪球效应的问题。

But I do think it's important to be aware that the game can be pretty swingy and have a snowball problem.

是的。

Yeah.

不。

No.

这是个好观点。

That's a good point.

我想我说我们从未死亡的部分原因是，如果我们死了，那就是彻底全军覆没了。

And I guess part of the reason I said we never died is because if we died, we just really died.

就像所有人都死了。

Like, everybody died.

正如你所说，情况就是这样。

It would be exactly as you said.

这确实是一个雪球效应，就是那样。

It was a snowball situation where it's like, yep.

好吧，我想我们现在都死了。

Well, I guess we're all dead now.

所以我记不清是只有一个人，还是所有人都死了，因为通常你一旦倒下，就会彻底崩盘。

So I I couldn't remember if it was one person or everybody, because usually when you go down, you go down hard.

所以，它确实容易这样形成雪球效应。

So, it it does tend to snowball that way.

我同意。

I agree.

这并不是我之前提到的点，但确实是个很好的补充。

That wasn't one of my points, but that's a good one to bring up.

但游戏节奏相当快。

But the game's fairly quick.

哦，当然。

Oh, definitely.

不到一个小时。

Be less than an hour.

所以这并没有让我太在意。

So it didn't bother me that much.

而且那种喝啤酒、吃椒盐卷饼的轻松氛围，也让我在发生这种情况时不容易感到沮丧。

And just the, I don't know, beer and pretzels nature of it also didn't lead me to get frustrated when that happened.

好吧，行吧。

It was like, alright.

那我们重新发牌，再玩一局吧。

Well, let's shuffle up and play again.

很多时候，我只是重新挑战任务，而不是硬着头皮继续下去。

And a lot of times, I just replay the mission instead of failing forward.

我就想，好吧。

I was just like, alright.

我们来发一些新的事件，或者把事件牌面朝下洗一洗，看看这次能不能赢。

Let's just deal out some new events or flip the events face down and see if we can beat it this time.

但我的第二点是关于卡牌本身的玩法。

But my number two point is the card play itself.

这些卡牌非常直接明了。

So the cards are very straightforward.

它们侧面有符号标识。

They have the symbols on the side.

玩起来很有趣。

It's fun to do.

我觉得这个游戏有相当多的合作元素，合作的成分出乎意料地高。

I think there is a fair amount of cooperativeness in this, surprising amount of cooperative nature of it.

就像是，嘿，你能用你的特殊能力标记这三个人吗？

It's like, hey, can you use your special ability to mark these three guys?

这样当我开枪时，就能击中他并恢复能量，帮助我激活特殊能力，然后我可以冲向这一排，干掉那些家伙。

That way when I shoot, I can shoot him and I can get an energy back, and it'll help me power my special ability, and then I can charge down this row and kill those guys.

而且还能有这样的感觉：天啊。

And just the ability to be like, oh, man.

我的手牌不太好。

I don't have a very good hand.

哦，没关系。

Oh, that's okay.

我有两种方式可以增强你，要么给你能量。

I have two ways to boost you and either give you energy.

当你被增强时，你可以选择获得一点能量——尽管我明明知道那不是能量，我还是老这么叫。

You get to choose when you get boosted if you wanna either gain an energy, in which I keep calling energy even though it's not.

我会继续这么叫的。

I'm gonna keep doing it.

所以你要么获得能量，要么抽一张新牌。

So you either get energy or you could draw another card.

然后你就说：天啊。

And, like, you're like, oh, man.

这张牌能放得下吗？

Is this card gonna fit in?

通常情况下，它是可以的。

And, usually, it does.

因为通常你只差一两张牌，就能让这个拼图完成。

Because, usually, you're only one or two cards from, like, making that puzzle work.

如果你手牌里没有这些牌，通常你最终都会抽到它们。

And if you don't have those cards in your hand, then usually, you end up drawing them.

至少我是这么觉得的。

At least that's from my experience.

它总是让人感叹，天哪。

It was always like, oh, man.

我们只需要一张牌。

We just need one card.

希望它能匹配。

Hopefully, it fits.

哦，确实能。

Oh, it does.

太好了。

Yay.

我确实多次遇到过这种情况，比如你无法让那张牌和你当前的组合配合，或者至少无法以某种方式扩展你的组合。

Like, I did have many times where, like, you couldn't make that other card work with, with what combo you were doing or at least extend your combo in some way or another.

你出牌的方式是，先放下一张牌，然后你可以将下一张牌放在它的左边或右边，只要符号匹配就行。

So and the way you play cards, it's like you put one card down and then you can play a card to the right or the left of it, whichever way your symbol matched.

所以这带有一点拼图的趣味。

And so there's a little bit of puzzliness to that.

有时候，你出牌的顺序确实很重要。

Sometimes it did matter, like, what order you played your cards.

很多时候并不重要，但确实有几次是这样的：天啊。

A lot of times it didn't, but there were definitely times where it's like, oh, man.

如果我能在近战攻击前先进行两次远程攻击，我就不用杀死前面那个家伙了，我可以先给这个家伙再加点伤害，这样在我把他拉到前排之前会更好。

If I only could have done two ranged attacks before my melee attack, I wouldn't have had to kill the front guy, I could have put another damage on this guy, which would have been nice before I brought him to the front row.

里面还有一些很酷的设计细节，比如你出牌的顺序有时也很重要，以及你如何出牌也很关键。

There's some kind of cool, like, design features in there as well, where, like, the order you play your cards kinda matters as well sometimes, and the way you're able to play them out kinda matters.

所以这还挺有意思的。

So that was kinda neat.

但总的来说，我觉得他们做得非常好。

But overall, I thought they did a really good job.

但这不是，正如迈克所说，那种高策略、高战术的游戏，比如天哪，我必须先做这个，再做这个，然后再做那个之类的。

This is not, again, as Mike said, some kinda high strategy, high tactical, like, oh my gosh, you know, I've gotta do this and then this and then this or whatever.

但把它们拼凑出来还挺有趣的。

But it is fun to kinda puzzle it out.

这是一个有趣而直接的谜题，但依然是个有趣的谜题。

It's a fun, pretty straightforward puzzle, but a fun puzzle nonetheless.

是的。

Yeah.

而且说实话，我最看重的就是牌组排列和行动选择。

And, honestly, that's pretty much my number one, which was the card row and the action choices.

我要说，这有点奇怪，因为出牌的方式非常明显。

I will say that it's a weird thing where it's very obvious how to play your hand.

比如，和我一起玩这个游戏的13岁孩子，他就会说，嗯，这牌自然就该配那张。

Like, even for my 13 year old who was, like, the main person I was playing this with, it's like it would just be like, yeah.

这张配那张。

That goes with that.

这张配那张。

That goes with that.

好吧。

Okay.

我可以出这四张牌。

I can play all four cards.

他的决策深度大概就到这个程度了。

You know, like, would be the kind of the depth of his decision making.

对。

Right.

比如，如果他先使用范围攻击再用近战攻击，这可能有点关系，但无所谓。

Like, yes, it might vaguely matter if he played a range attack before a melee attack, but, like, whatever.

其实很多时候这并不重要。

It didn't really matter that often.

对。

Correct.

但这很有趣。

But it's fun.

比如，把卡片组合起来，打出很多卡片，这很有趣。

Like, it's fun to to put cards together and play a lot of cards.

你知道的。

You know?

就像，是的。

Like, it it Yes.

稍微提前聊聊我们下周的设计讨论，就是，组合出连招真的很有趣。

Going into our design discussion next week a little bit, like, it's just it's fun to get combos.

即使这些组合并没有带来什么特别的效果，看着数字上涨、打出更多牌依然很有趣。

And even if the combos don't really do anything that unique, it's just still fun to see numbers go up and play more stuff.

我也会把这一点应用到卡牌玩法中产生的决策上。

And I'll apply that also to, like, the decisions that come out of the card play.

哦，你可以造成伤害。

It's like, oh, you can deal damage.

哦，你可以选择要对谁造成伤害。

Oh, you can pick who you wanna deal damage to.

大多数时候，你都会想：好吧，干脆干掉他吧，对吧。

And it's like most of the time, it's like, oh, well, let's kill the guy because Right.

这样他们就无法伤害我们了。

Then they don't deal damage to us.

你知道的，最好的防御就是进攻。

You know, the best the best defense is a good offense.

同样地，比如，你得在防御和耐力之间做选择，但真的有那么重要吗？

And similarly, like, you know, it's sort of an interesting choice of, like, whether you get defense or stamina, but, like, is it really?

因为如果我获得耐力，我就能使用我的超级攻击，杀死更多敌人。

Because if I get stamina, I could do my super attack, and I'll kill more guys.

然后，嘿。

And then, hey.

我不需要那个防御了，因为他们都死了。

I won't need that defense because they're dead.

所以我们其实没觉得这些战术选择有多烧脑，但玩五张牌然后炸掉16个教徒确实非常有趣。

So we we didn't really find the, like, tactical choices to be brain burning, but it sure is fun to play five cards and blow up, like, 16 cultists.

所以这一直都很棒。

So that that was that was always good.

所以，是的，我喜欢这个游戏的战术玩法，只要你明白它通常很简单直接，但通过图标组合来出牌，以及武器技能基于这些机制的叠加，仍然感觉有点独特。

So, yeah, I I like I like the tactical play of the game as long as you understand that it is often pretty simple and straightforward, but it still feels kinda unique with that comboing of icons to play out cards and, you know, the the powers with the weapons that, like, build off of those.

玩起来很有趣，这也是我从游戏中得到的最大感受。

It's a fun time to play, which is really the biggest takeaway I got from it.

对。

Yeah.

我最看重的一点，前面迈克提到过，就是装备和升级系统。

And my number one, Mike covered earlier, it's the equipment and leveling.

我比迈克更喜欢这个设计，而且我觉得迈克其实也挺喜欢的。

I like this a lot better than Mike did, and I I think Mike liked it too.

我觉得他只是想说明，有时候在武器选择上确实有更优的策略，有时候则不然。

I think he was just caveating the fact that there are clearly sometimes better choices to make with the weapons and sometimes not.

对于这一点，我完全同意。

I don't disagree with that part of it at all.

但正如你所见，游戏的机制变化多端，有时候升级本身就很有趣。

But, again, as you've seen, the game is swinging in so many ways that sometimes it's just fun to, like, when you level up.

这次我打算换个方式升级。

I'm just gonna level up differently this time.

也许我会选择升级到能持续回血、以极低代价提升防御力，而不再专注于特殊能力。

Maybe I'm gonna level up to the point where we can just keep healing ourselves and getting better defense for super cheap, and I'm not gonna worry and focus on my special ability.

也许我会选择那些能提供大量能量的武器。

Maybe I'm gonna get weapons that really give me a lot of energy.

也许我会选一把没什么酷炫特殊能力的武器，但它伤害更高，或者自带范围伤害，能同时击中多个敌人。

Maybe I'm gonna get a weapon that maybe doesn't have a cool special power, but maybe it does more damage or it has splash damage in and of itself where it's hitting multiple enemies.

所以我觉得他们在让所有武器都独特有趣这一点上做得还算不错，但谈不上出色。

So I think they did a decent job, not a great job at balancing the weapons in the fact that they're all unique and fun.

有些武器看起来没那么强力，但也许把敌人击退到队伍末尾这一点其实非常关键。

Some of the weapons don't seem as powerful, but maybe knocking that guy to the back of the column is really important.

有时候用这样的武器会很酷，而且……

And, like, that would be a cool weapon to use sometimes and, like

老天，这对我们来说从来都不重要。

Man, it was never important for us.

这把武器太奇怪了。

Weapon was strange.

就是干这个。

Doing that.

抱歉。

Sorry.

你先说。

Go ahead.

不。

No.

我知道你在说什么。

I I I know what you're saying.

但你知道我的意思吧？

But but you know what I mean?

但那不一样。

But it was different.

至少它给了你一些不同的体验。

At least it gave you something different.

所以当你探索游戏时，如果你想在不提升难度等级的情况下让游戏更难，可以试试不同的武器。

And so as you're exploring the game, if you wanna make the game harder potentially without, you know, raising the difficulty level, try some of the different weapons.

你知道的。

You know?

试试新东西吧。

Just try something new.

正如迈克所说，确实有一些刷分的方法，但我每次升级时都会很兴奋，因为我总想翻看我的武器，看看有没有什么新的组合——也许甚至不是更强的组合。

And as Mike said, there's certainly ways to power game it, but I always got excited when I leveled up because I did wanna look through my weapons and see if there was a you know, it might not even be a a better combination.

它可能只是不同的物品搭配。

It might just be a different combination of stuff.

比如，我之前可能有一把很酷的二级远程武器，但现在我有了三点属性，我就打算用三级近战武器。

Like, maybe I had a cool level two ranged weapon before, but now that I have three points, I'm gonna use the level three melee weapon.

或者我会选择一把二级近战武器，它看起来没那么强，但一级远程武器反而更好用。

Or I'm gonna choose a level two melee weapon, which didn't seem as good, but the level one ranged weapon's better.

所以我打算用这两把武器这样搭配，因为你在每局游戏之间可以更换武器。

So I'm gonna use that two and that one in that way because you can change both your weapons out between games.

所以我发现升级很有趣。

So I found it fun to level up.

我还觉得，选择让哪些技能更便宜，或者是否增加整体生命值，是个很有趣的选择。

I also found the choice of, like, what to make cheaper or whether to give myself more life overall an interesting one.

这是最有趣的选择吗？

Is it the most interesting choices?

不是。

No.

这些都不是那种深入我最终想法的复杂策略，但这没关系，因为游戏节奏快又纯粹有趣。

None of this is, like, heavy strategy getting into my final thoughts, but it doesn't matter because it's such a quick and just fun.

就像迈克说的，从手牌中出牌本身就很好玩。

Like Mike said, it's just fun to play cards from your hand.

这毫无道理。

It doesn't make any sense.

它并不是那种你看着卡牌，心想：‘执行远程攻击，执行近战攻击’的感觉。

It doesn't like, there's nothing like, you look at the cards and it's like, perform your ranged attack, perform your melee attack.

卡牌只是告诉你该做什么。

That's what the cards tell you to do.

但这么做就是很有趣，而且杀掉一堆敌人也很爽。

But it's just fun to do it, and it's fun to kill a bunch of guys.

我不知道。

And I don't know.

有些游戏，比如《城堡惊魂》，玩一段时间后我就觉得无聊了。

Some games like Castle Panic, for example, I got bored of it after a while.

但我从没觉得炸掉这些家伙无聊，也不知道为什么。

I never got bored of blowing these guys up, and I don't know why.

因为在《城堡惊魂》里，你一次只能出一张牌。

Because in Castle Panic, you're playing one card at a time.

我不知道。

I don't know.

把它们连起来玩让我觉得更有趣，再加上特殊技能和能量，就多了一点额外的吸引力。

The fact of chaining them just made it more interesting to me, and the special powers and the energy just added that one little extra thing.

所以，你看。

So, I mean, look.

这会是今年的最佳游戏吗？

Is this gonna be the top game of the year?

绝对不是。

Absolutely not.

这有趣吗？

Is this a fun time?

我的意思是，你大概能从迈克和我的声音里听出兴奋感。

I mean, you probably hear the excitement in both Mike and my voices.

做这个超级有趣。

It's super fun to do.

所以，是的，这就是我的最终想法。

So, yeah, that's my final thoughts.

就这个价格而言，如果你对这类游戏感兴趣，看看吧。

For the price point, if you have any interest in a game like this, look.

我们频道里会有一些热衷于策略游戏的人。

There's gonna be people in our channel that are heavy strategy people.

《灵岛》是他们最爱的游戏，他们只想玩这个，十秒钟内就会对这个感到无聊。

Spirit Island's their favorite game, and that's all they wanna play, and they're gonna get bored with this in ten seconds.

但如果一款轻松有趣的啤酒和零食游戏，半小时到一小时内就能结束，让你感兴趣，那这就是这款游戏。

But if a fun, light beer and pretzels game that's gonna be over in a half an hour or an hour interests you, then that's what this is.

是的。

Yeah.

我对这款游戏的看法比彼得稍微消极一点，因为我的意思是，这其实是个正面的事。

I'm a little bit more negative on the game than Peter, only because I mean, this is a positive thing.

但玩了大约十次，完成整个战役，还额外尝试了所有角色后，我不确定自己是否还想再玩一次。

But after playing it about 10 times, doing a full campaign, and then also, like, playing a bit more to try out all the characters, I I don't know if I need to play it again.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

但我认为，这又是一款休闲型的啤酒和零食游戏，我完全可以在彼得家，和一小群人快速玩一局，只打一个场景，也能玩得很开心。

But I think it's also the kind of game again, it's a casual kind of beer and pretzels game that I could totally bust out or play like at Peter's house with a quick group, just one scenario, and have a good time.

就像彼得说的，它比各部分的总和更有意思，你的回合如何展开，这种组合效果真的让人很享受？

Is, like Peter said, kinda more than the sum of its parts and how your turn plays out, that comboing is just like a fun time?

我能不能希望这款游戏能再深入一点，更战术化一些，通过多花点时间平衡机制，获得更多的增益？

Could I have seen the game going a bit deeper, a bit more tactical, and gaining a lot of bonuses from it, spending a little bit more time on balancing?

是的。

Yeah.

但就它的定位而言，真的非常有趣。

But it's really fun for what it is.

而且，嘿，这是款价格极其实惠的Games Workshop游戏。

And, hey, it's extremely affordable games workshop game.

如果你对战锤40K这样的设定感兴趣，我简直无法想象他们还有比这更便宜的游戏，因为你知道，即使那些不需要模型的游戏，他们也肯定会塞上一些零件，定价高达70美元。

If you're interested in the Warhammer 40 k like setting, I can't even imagine what the next cheapest game is from them because everything you know, even if it's a game that doesn't need miniatures, they're they're sure gonna put some sprues in there and make it a $70 game.

你花不了这么多钱就能买到一个单位。

You can't even get a unit for the price that you get this whole game for.

你连40K的一个单位都买不到。

You can't even get a unit of 40 k.

没错。

Right.

没错。

Right.

我就是这个意思。

That's what I'm saying.

这简直太疯狂了。

Like, it's it's crazy.

而且说实话，我特别喜欢，因为稍微说点背景，我以前可是玩遍了Games Workshop的所有游戏。

And and the thing is I love it because, just a little bit of background, I used to play the heck out of Games Workshop games.

以前，大概是八十年代末、九十年代初，他们推出过很多没有模型的桌游，比如《灵族的末日》。

And back in the day, like, the, I guess it was the early nineties, late eighties, when they were coming out with, like, a lot of random board games with no miniatures, like Doom of the Eldar.

我超爱那款游戏，玩得不亦乐乎。

I used to love that game and play the heck out of that.

你知道的吧？

You know?

那真是段好时光，价格也不贵，但他们现在基本不这么做了。

And it was a good time and not that expensive, and they don't really do that anymore.

他们本质上是一家模型公司，这也没啥问题。

They they are a miniatures company, which is, you know, fine.

人们就是因为这个喜欢它们。

People love them for it.

但没错，我玩得挺开心的。

But, yes, I had a good time with this.

不像彼得说的，它不会排在榜首。

It's not like Peter said, not gonna be the top of the of the list.

但嘿，我会比《Take Time》更喜欢它。

But, hey, I'm gonna like it more than Take Time.

你呢，彼得？

How about you, Peter?

你觉得你会排在《Take Time》前面吗？

You think you might be above Take Time?

我还不知道。

I don't know yet.

好的。

Okay.

我得在多玩几次这两款游戏之后重新评估一下。

I'll have to reevaluate that after playing both of them some more.

这很合理。

That's fair.

这很合理。

That's fair.

但是，是的。

But, yes.

如果你喜欢合作类的冒险和动作卡牌游戏，那它绝对值得一试。

I I think it's definitely worth worth a try if you like cooperative, like, adventure and action card games.

它玩起来很快。

It's quick.

它价格便宜。

It's cheap.

玩起来很愉快。

It's a good time.