OB417：圣诞十二日

太喜欢了。

Love this.

我觉得去车管所时拿出飞行员执照，哎呀。

I feel like when you go to the DMV and you bring your pilot's license Ugh.

或者你的单飞证书之类的。

Or your solo certificate or or whatever.

证明你飞过。

Evidence that you flew.

是啊。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

好吧。

Okay.

这是你的驾照。

Here's your driver's license.

祝你今天愉快。

Have a nice day.

我们问你的任何问题，你都已经精通了。

There's nothing we could ask you that you already have it mastered.

是的。

Yeah.

你真是

You're

专家。

an expert.

与此同时，我正在星条航空公司进行737培训的最后阶段。

Meanwhile meanwhile, I'm in the final stages of my seven thirty seven training at Stars and Stripes airline.

恭喜。

Congrats.

太酷了。

Very cool.

希望下周能向你公布型别等级认证的消息。

And hope to have a type rating announcement for you next week.

蓝天顺风，RBB。

Blue Skies and Tailwinds, RBB.

酷。

Cool.

这是最近的事，所以我正在找那封邮件。

This was very recent, so I'm looking for that email.

恭喜。

Congratulations.

你发的视频里，你几乎就在这个非塔台机场的跑道旁，非常接近我们所谓的TCAS港。

And the video you sent with you up I think you were pretty much right next to the runway at this non towered airport, very close to what we would call TCAS Harbor.

如果不是，哦，那就是TCAS港。

If not, oh, it is TCAS Harbor.

他确实把那个写进去了。

He did put that in there.

嗯。

Mhmm.

看起来太棒了。

And it looked awesome.

你单飞时飞了两架飞机，这可是大事。

That's two airplanes on your solo is a big deal.

我从来没听说过这种事。

I I've never heard of that.

你有没有听说过同时学习两种机型？

Have you ever heard of learning on two different types?

我的意思是，它们都是小型单引擎飞机，但我认为一天内在这两种飞机上都完成单飞是不寻常的。

I mean, they're it's they're smaller single engine airplanes, but I think that's unusual to solo on both of those airplanes in in one day.

这真酷。

That was cool.

而且是在第一个合法可飞的日子就完成了。

And on your the first available legal day to do it.

恭喜。

So congrats.

嗯。

Yeah.

酷。

Cool.

好吧。

Alright.

来自Supercaster Juliet Oscar的第三号。

Number three from Supercaster Juliet Oscar.

你好。

Hello.

来自维京人Bravo以南的著名奇迹蛋黄酱医院。

From the famous Miracle Whip Hospital south of the Vikings Bravo.

你听说过吗？

Have you ever heard that?

奇迹奶油医院。

Miracle Whip Hospital.

在暂停三十年追求成为专业飞行员的梦想后，我获得了仪表等级和商用飞行员执照。

After a thirty year pause on pursuing my dream of being a professional pilot, I earned my instrument rating and commercial.

恭喜。

Congrats.

两者相隔大约五个月。

About five months apart.

在这两个等级之间，我以自己建造的飞机庆祝了1100小时的飞行时间。

In between those two ratings, I celebrated one thousand and eleven hundred hours of flight time with the aircraft that I built.

你能把这个放到屏幕上吗？

Can you put that up on the screen?

那张我能做到的拼贴画。

That collage of I can.

在获得仪表等级后，我与联邦航空管理局合作，修改了我的运行限制，以包含夜间飞行。

After my instrument rating, I worked with the FAA to modify my operating limitations to include night flight.

夜间驾驶尾轮飞机着陆，虽然机身滑溜，却是一次平静而美妙的冒险。

Landing a slippery tail dragged drag a tail dragger at night has been a great uneventful adventure.

我有幸执飞了多次载客航班，传播航空的快乐。

I've had the honor to provide numerous passenger flights spreading the joy of aviation.

感谢反对基地给予的鼓励和NASS的实际知识。

Thank you opposing bases for the encouragement and practical knowledge of the NASS.

你们的节目太棒了。

Your show is amazing.

请继续保持出色的工作。

Please keep up the great work.

好的。

Alright.

屏幕上有一些照片。

There's a couple pictures on the screen.

夕阳帽的照片是我爸爸最喜欢的帽子。

The sunset hat picture is my dad's favorite hat.

不幸的是，他在我开始建造这架飞机之前就去世了。

Unfortunately, he passed away before I started building this aircraft.

这是一架他在家或机库中组装的套件飞机。

This is a kit airplane he built at home or in a hangar.

我妈妈去年二月去世了。

My mom passed away last February.

这些照片中间偏下的那位就是她。

That's her in one of these pictures at the middle at the bottom.

我已经积累了1570小时的飞行时长，其中130小时为航线飞行，还差20小时夜间飞行即可达到ATP最低要求。

I've got fifteen seventy hours logged, one hundred and thirty hours of cross country flight, twenty hours of night left to meet the ATP minimums.

SONICS飞机的建造耗时四年，目前已经飞行了七年。

SONICS has a four year build and it's been flying for seven years.

哇。

Wow.

这架飞机看起来真酷。

That's a cool looking airplane.

是的。

It is.

喜欢这个涂装和那种复古的抛光铝材。

Love the paint and the, you know, the retro shined aluminum.

嗯。

Mhmm.

抛光的。

Polished.

抛光的。

Polished.

我就是这个意思。

That's what I meant.

谢谢。

Thank you.

抛光的。

Polished.

我的意思是，它确实很亮。

I mean, it is shiny.

嗯。

Mhmm.

它

It

是。

is.

我的脑子也很亮。

And my brain is shiny too.

所以这个头盔，你可以看到，和喷漆风格相匹配。

So the helmet, you could see, it matches the paint job.

太酷了。

So cool.

这确实很酷。

That is cool.

当你坐在那种带透明罩的飞机里，尤其是做特技飞行时，头很容易撞到侧面。

And when you're in an airplane with a a canopy like that where it's probably likely that doing some aerobatics, you could bang your head against the side.

我喜欢这个头盔。

I like the helmet.

我同意这个设计。

I approve of this.

是的。

Yes.

太棒了。

Sweet.

是的。

Yes.

你真的听不到电锯的声音吗？

You really can't hear the chainsaw?

听不到。

No.

我只能听到你在谈论链锯。

I can only hear you talking about the chainsaw.

我只能听到这个声音。

That's all I can hear.

就是链锯的声音。

It's the chainsaw.

我

I

如果音频中出现链锯声，我会尝试降噪处理。

will try to noise cancel it out if it comes across in the audio.

怎么样？

How about that?

好的。

Okay.

好吧。

Alright.

恭喜你，朱莉和奥斯卡。

Congratulations, Julie and Oscar.

谢谢分享照片。

Thanks for sharing the pictures.

接下来。

Moving on.

我们将进入查理阿尔法环节。

Gonna we're having a Charlie alpha segment.

我正在扮演臭臭侦探。

I'm playing stinky snooper.

真的吗？

Really?

好吧。

Alright.

这条消息来自西耶拉查理。

This message is from Sierra Charlie.

我马上查出是谁。

I'll find out who in a second.

呵呵呵。

Ho ho ho.

圣诞快乐，RH和Aromeo酒店以及Al Fagoff。

Merry Christmas, RH and Aromeo Hotel and Al Fagoff.

圣诞老人只想感谢你们两位在过去一年里成为如此出色的播客主。

Santa just wants to thank you two for being such great podcasters this past year.

根据我在收听你们播客时了解到的信息，今年我巡视时在你们所谓的NAST中会感到更安全。

Based on the information I have learned while listening to your podcast, I will feel safer operating in your so called NAST this year as I make my rounds.

我相信你们今年不会在袜子里收到任何煤炭。

I'm sure that you will not be getting any coal in your stockings this year.

为了符合节日气氛，我擅自用一种奇怪的AI风格重写了这首流行圣诞歌曲的歌词。

In keeping with holiday spirit, I have taken the liberty to rewrite the words in a weird AI style to a popular Christmas song.

它会让

It would makes

怪才阿利。

Weird Al.

阿利，你说得对。

Al, you're right.

我，呃。

I've Yep.

再说一遍，这是两次。

Again, it's twice.

你别再纠正我了。

You're done correcting me.

明白了吗？

Okay?

就让我错吧。

Just let me be wrong.

别再当众羞辱我了。

No more public shaming.

以怪异的猫头鹰风格演绎一首流行的圣诞歌曲。

A Weird Owl style to a popular Christmas song.

让圣诞老人非常开心的是，你至少愿意为冰山上的所有对立听众尝试唱这首歌。

It would make Santa very happy to have you at least attempt to sing this song for all the opposing bases listeners on the iceberg.

祝唯一的一位西拉·查理圣诞快乐。

Merry Christmas to one and the only Sierra Charlie.

好吧。

Alright.

我不唱。

I'm not singing.

那会让这个节目跌到排名底部的绝佳方式。

That would be a great way to make this show drop to the bottom of the rankings.

在无的第十二天。

On the twelfth day of no.

我要把这句话打在聊天里，让他们知道接下来要发生什么。

I am going to put those words in the chat so they know what's coming.

也许我不这么做。

How about maybe I won't do that.

也许我会把它留作一个惊喜。

Maybe I'll leave it as a surprise.

一切在结尾都会明白的。

It'll all make sense at the end.

我准备好了，要播放这首精彩的歌了。

I'm ready to hit play on this amazing song.

这首歌大约三分钟。

It's about three minutes.

三分钟？

Three minutes?

嗯。

Mhmm.

哦，好吧。

Oh, okay.

你听过混音版吗？

Have you heard the remix version?

我，嗯，嗯。

I I yeah.

我想是的。

I think so.

这个版本本来要长一些。

This was this was longer.

这个有点短，我不得不稍微调整了一下歌词，挺有趣的。

This is a bit short, and I had to play with the the the words a little bit, and it's fun.

我们别再耽搁了，直接播放吧。

Let's just play it without any further ado.

一、二、三。

One, two, three.

在圣诞节的第一天，老哥们送给我一只在冰山上的企鹅。

On the first day of Christmas, oldie guys gave to me a penguin on an iceberg.

是的。

Yes.

你喜欢吗？

Did you love that?

太棒了。

That was great.

圣诞快乐。

Merry Christmas.

感谢Sierra Charlie提供了出色的歌词。

Thank you, Sierra Charlie, for the amazing lyrics.

我们对它们做了一些调整。

We had to tweak them a little bit.

我们是共同协作完成的。

We did that collaboratively.

在一些人工智能的帮助下，我们创作了一首出色的歌曲。

And we with some help of some AI, we have an amazing song.

所以，那一部分尽管我尽了最大努力，还是没法让听起来他们没喝太多蛋酒。

So there was one portion of that that despite my best efforts, I couldn't get it to sound like they weren't drinking too much eggnog.

是的。

Yeah.

他们在某处把几句歌词合并了，但我们用剩下的歌曲部分修正了这个问题。

They combined a couple lyrics at one point, but we fixed that with the with the remaining song.

所以观众们非常喜欢。

So the chat loved it.

我当时在聊天框里打字，问这算不算什么。

I was typing in the chat if that's something.

很抱歉，这首歌会一直萦绕在你脑海里好几天。

And I apologize that will be stuck in your head for days.

聊天区的反应非常好。

The reactions in the chat are very good.

他们看起来很喜欢。

They've they appear to like it.

所以，Romeo Kilo，如果你在听，干得漂亮。

So Romeo Kilo, if you're listening, great job.

感谢你的灵感，圣诞快乐。

Thank you for the inspiration and Merry Christmas.

有什么要说的吗？

Any words?

圣诞快乐。

Merry Christmas.

没有。

No.

真的，无话可说。

Just there are no words, really.

好吧。

Alright.

继续。

Moving on.

及时的反馈。

Timely feedback.

及时的反馈。

Timely feedback.

我因为笑得太厉害有点累了。

I'm I'm kinda tired from laughing.

那你拿第一号，我拿第二号好吗？

So why don't you get number one and I'll get number two?

因为我不会笑。

Because I don't laugh.

第一号来自企鹅艺术。

Number one from Penguin Art.

来自回声，阿德里安。

From the echo, Adrian.

我完全同意关于OB四一五的评论。

I absolutely agree with the comments on OB four fifteen.

巧合的是，我们也是如此。

Coincidentally, so do we.

乐器学生应该看到时间。

That instrument students should see time.

在实际的仪表飞行规则（IMC）中，有一个小细节需要注意。

In actual IMC, there is one small gotcha for folks to be aware of.

在实际飞行中的训练不计入第61.129条所要求的十小时模拟仪表训练时间。

Training in actual does not count toward the ten hours of simulated instrument training required in sixty one one twenty nine.

难以置信。

Unbelievable.

我知道。

I know.

这太蠢了。

It's so stupid.

真的很奇怪，但正因为如此，我的商业飞行检查因为需要补足额外的小时数而推迟了一个月，不过我最终还是通过了商业飞行考试。

Really quirky, but it contributed to my commercial check ride getting delayed about a month due to rescheduling after getting the additional few hours I needed, but I did just pass the commercial.

恭喜。

Congrats.

抱歉。

Sorry.

不得不。

Had to

提供那十小时的实际飞行而非模拟飞行。

give that ten hours of actual versus simulated.

就是这样，没错。

That's that's Yeah.

与仪表训练和飞行检查相关的注意事项是，在商业飞行训练前的仪表训练时间可以同时计入两种执照要求，但必须明确记录为满足第61.129条的要求，而不仅仅是IFR要求。

The A related gotcha instrument training time from instrument training and flight reviews before commercial training can count for both ratings, but I but it needs to be explicitly logged as meeting the sixty one one twenty nine requirements in addition to the IFR requirements.

这尤其容易让那些参加141程序进行仪表训练的人中招，因为他们不关心是否记录满足61条款的要求，但之后又作为61条款学员回来申请商业执照时就会遇到问题。

This is particularly likely to catch someone going through a one forty one program for instrument where they aren't worried about logging for one sixty one requirements, but then coming back later as a 61 student for commercial.

是的。

Yeah.

我在当教员的时候见过这种情况。

I saw that in my time as an instructor.

我通常看到，他们最初是在第61部框架下开始航空执照之旅，然后转到第141部，那里在小时数、结构和各种书面要求上都有差异。

I saw typically, they had started their aviation certificate journey in part 61 land and then gone to one forty one, which there's hour differences and there's structure, all sorts of written differences.

但这是一个非常好的观点。

But this is a great point to make.

在记录飞行时间时，必须提前考虑下一步，并为最坏情况做好规划——即你需要为所有这些等级提供充分的证明文件，以免让检查员对你是如何达到当前阶段产生疑问。

When you are logging things, have to think about, you know, think ahead to the next one and plan for the worst case scenario where you have to have a justified documentation for all of these ratings so that you don't confuse or or make a DP question how you got to this point.

换句话说，你完全可以通过第141部项目完成之前的等级训练，用比通常更少的小时数获得商用驾驶员执照。

In other words, you can get to your commercial rating having done one forty one for previous ratings with less time than they're used to seeing.

因此，必须正确记录这些信息。

So it needs to be documented properly.

好的。

Okay.

抱歉。

Sorry.

请说。

Go ahead.

不。

No.

我刚才说到哪儿了？

That where was I?

哦，那已经是结尾了。

Oh, that was the end.

你们是来自太空城布拉沃罗密欧回声的甜蜜三角洲最棒的人。

Y'all are the best from the sweet delta under space city bravo Romeo echo.

酷。

Cool.

恭喜。

Congrats.

谢谢你们给我们展示这个。

Thanks for showing us that.

第二点，我错过了上周我们谈到的那段音频。

Number two, got the audio that we talked about last week that I missed.

我们先播放这段。

Let's play that first.

我们来播放音频。

Let's play the audio.

这是一个复习。

This is a refresher.

这是上周的内容，OB四一七。

This was last week, OB four seventeen.

我们讨论过一个紧急情况，飞行员立即宣布了紧急状态。

We had an emergency discussed where a pilot immediately declared emergency.

音频本身就能说明一切，但这是上周节目的主题。

Well, the audio speaks for itself, but this was last week's show topic.

如果你还没听过那一集，先听那一集，这个就会更容易理解。

If you haven't heard that episode, this will make sense if you hear that first.

哦，对了。

It's the oh, yeah.

高尔夫朱丽叶。

Golf Juliet.

好的。

Okay.

我准备好了。

I'm ready.

+1 23。

+1 23.

弗雷德，离开邦anza 313，28号，313号弗雷德进近，收到。

Fred, leave Bonanza 313 28 Number 313 Fred's approach, roger.

3号，我想提醒一下，我们的螺旋桨这里有点问题。

3, I wanna advise we've got a little issue with the prop here.

我们可能需要改航。

We may need to divert.

三号罗密欧朱丽叶，明白。

Three Romeo Juliet, okay.

你们需要协助吗？

Do you require any assistance?

确认。

Affirmative.

我们宣布紧急情况。

We are declaring an emergency.

三号罗密欧朱丽叶，收到。

Number three RomeoJuliet, roger.

我建议向东转向。

I would suggest turning eastbound.

三号罗密欧朱丽叶，你们位置以东七英里处有南桥机场。

Number three Romeo Juliet, there's Southbridge Airport about seven miles east of your position.

你们需要引导至该机场吗？

Would you like vectors there?

三号罗密欧朱丽叶，你被批准通过航向090前往南桥机场。

Three Romeo Juliet, you are cleared to the Southbridge Airport via flight heading 0Niner0.

我会引导你直接飞越机场上方，然后你可以盘旋下降。

I'll put you right over the field, and you can circle down above it.

二号罗密欧，收到。

Two Romeo, roger.

嗯。

Yeah.

我们飞越机场时将保持在8000英尺高度。

We're gonna stay at 8,000 when we get over the field.

三号罗密欧朱丽叶，明白。

Number three Romeo Juliet, understand.

根据动力情况下降，保持3000英尺。

Descend of power discretion, maintain 3,000.

你可以尽可能长时间地停留。

You could stay as long as you'd like.

三号罗密欧朱丽叶，我不确定你是否熟悉南桥机场，但它的识别码是3Bravo0。

Number three Romeo Juliet, I'm not sure if you're familiar with Southbridge, but the identifier is 3Bravo0.

3BravoZulu 03Bravo0，三号罗密欧朱丽叶，收到。

3BravoZulu 03Bravo0 for 3 Romeo Juliet, roger.

三号罗密欧朱丽叶，机上有多少个SOL？

Number three Romeo Juliet, how many SOLs on board?

我们机上有两个SOL。

We got two SOLs on board.

谢谢。

Thank you.

三号罗密欧朱丽叶，南桥机场有一条2号跑道。

Number three Romeo Juliet, Southbridge Airport has a Runway 2.

看起来风向可能对你们使用2号跑道有利。

It looks like the winds might be favoring Runway 2 for you.

这条跑道长3,500英尺，如果需要的话，我可以提供CTAP信息。

And it's 3,500 feet in length, and I do have the CTAP if you want that.

嗯。

Yeah.

如果你能提供CTAP，那就太好了，谢谢你的提醒。

If you can give me CTAP, that would be great, and thanks for the advisory.

嗯。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

等时机到了，CTAP频率是+1 228，但你现在先继续和我保持联系。

And when the time comes, the CTAP frequency will be +1 228, but you just remain with me for now.

+1 228。

+1 228.

谢谢。

Thanks.

3。

3.

我们仍然有部分电力。

And we still have partial power.

3RomeoJuliet，收到。

3RomeoJuliet, roger.

三号RomeoJuliet，我现在正为你显示南桥地区的上空情况。

Number three Romeo Juliet, I do show you over the fields right now for Southbridge.

你能看到吗？

Do you have it in sight?

嗯。

Yeah.

我觉得它就在我们正下方，所以我们打算在这里机动一下，看看能不能看到它。

I think it's directly underneath us, so we're gonna maneuver here to to to see if we can see it.

三三RomeoJuliet，按要求执行。

33 Romeo Juliet, proceed as requested.

三号RomeoJuliet，我们已看到目标区域。

3 Romeo Juliet, we have the field in sight.

我们将进行 maneuvers 以在02号跑道着陆。

We're gonna maneuver for landing on 02.

33 Romeo Juliet，收到。

33 Romeo Juliet, roger.

你已获准进行南桥机场的目视进近。

You are cleared for the visual approach to the South Bridge Airport.

3，收到。

3, roger.

Romeo Juliet，如果你有非飞行机组人员或乘客，我可以提供一个电话号码。

Romeo Juliet, I do have a phone number for you if you have the non flying pilot or passenger.

请记下来。

Copy that down.

好的。

Yes.

91。

91.

嗯。

Yep.

不着急。

No rush.

你慢慢来。

You take your time.

3RomeoJuliet，我们准备好了。

3RomeoJuliet, we're ready.

南桥空域。

Southbridge traffic.

我们是邦anza33号，飞越机场，发动机出现故障。

We're Bonanza thirty three over the field having engine issues.

我们将要

We're gonna

在2号跑道着陆。

be landing Runway 2.

这将是一次性操作，没有桥区交通。

It'll be a one shot deal, without bridge traffic.

是的。

Yeah.

我们已经呼叫过了。

We already called on.

南桥交通，邦anza在机场上空，发动机故障。

Southbridge traffic, Bonanza over the field, engine problem.

着陆02号跑道。

Landing Runway 02.

就这样。

That's it.

我把其余部分都剪掉了。

I cut the rest of it out.

但最后一部分是CTAF频率，当时是自我通报。

But the last part was the CTAF frequency where it was self announcing.

有一位飞行员试图帮忙并与空中交通协调。

There was a pilot trying to help out and coordinate with air traffic.

我把这些都删掉了，只是为了去掉一些多余的内容，但做得非常好。

I took that all out just to kind of take out some of the extra stuff, but excellent job.

你对这段音频有什么看法？

What are your thoughts on the audio?

我的意思是，管制员显然清楚正在发生什么。

I mean, the controller clearly has a clue about what's happening.

嗯。

Mhmm.

绝对不止是清楚。

Definitely more than a clue.

他他

He's he's

是的。

yeah.

他已经在状态了。

Like, he's on board.

嗯。

Mhmm.

他知道正在发生什么。

He knows what's happening.

嗯。

Mhmm.

他能预判需求。

He anticipates the needs.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这太宝贵了。

That's it it it's invaluable.

这可能是至关重要的。

It could be it could be critical.

嗯。

Mhmm.

像这样的信息。

Information like that.

对飞行员来说，这看起来很简单、很直观，但对从未飞过飞机的管制员来说，却并不直观。

It seems simple, and it seems intuitive to pilots, But to controllers who've never flown, it doesn't it's not intuitive.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这需要经过培训和学习，嗯。

It has to be trained and learned Mhmm.

为什么我需要这样做？我为什么要这么做？

About why do I need why am I doing this?

你们两方面都做得非常好。

So really well done on both on both parts.

是的。

Yeah.

还有沟通，表达意图，嘿。

There's Communication, the stating intentions, hey.

这是我的计划。

This is my plan.

我想做的是这个。

This is what I wanna do.

而是让管制员提前预判，而不是由飞行员问：嘿，CTAF是多少？

The the just staying ahead, the the controller staying ahead of instead of the pilot saying, hey, what's the CTAF?

嘿，跑道是哪个？

Hey, what's runway?

所有信息都已提前提供。

What, you know, it's being all provided.

嗯。

Mhmm.

做得非常好。

Excellent job.

嗯。

Yep.

而且电话号码确实是结束对话的一个很好的方式。

And the phone number was really, you know, great way to close the loop at the end.

这就是我们在上一期节目中提到的那通电话，他们联系了管制员，确保你安全落地。

That was the phone call we talked about in the last episode where they called the controllers 100% care that you got on the ground.

但这里有一个点，有些飞行员可能并不知道。

And there's a point where, some pilots may not realize this.

因此，在大多数情况下，管制员无法监控这个频率。

So controllers do not have the ability to monitor that frequency in most cases.

他们可以将它调到备用无线电上，但他们几乎不可能听到你在CTAF频率上的通话，也无法在此基础上提供进一步帮助。

They can tune it into a backup radio, but it's highly unlikely that they're going be able to hear your transmissions on that CTAP frequency and can't really do anything to help you beyond.

好的。

Alright.

允许进行目视进近。

Cleared for the visual.

我稍微填补了一些空白。

I kind of filled in the gaps.

我已经尽可能让这个过程显得正常了。

This is as normal as I could make this.

嗯。

Yeah.

你是仪表飞行规则。

You are IFR.

开始吧。

Go.

执行目视进近。

Do the visual approach.

顺便说一下，请一定要给我打电话。

Please, by the way, please call me.

嗯。

Yeah.

让我们知道你已着陆。

And let us know you landed.

有些小细节，作为飞行员你可能注意不到。

There's some little things that you may not notice as a as a as a pilot.

那是有人在背景里专业地示意某人闭嘴，因为那人一直在烦他。

It was shushing somebody professionally in the background who was nagging him.

确保机上人员全部登机。

Get the souls on board.

确保你了解所有这些事项。

Make sure you know all these things.

嗯。

Yeah.

现在这才是重要的。

That's what's important right now.

嗯。

Yeah.

但他们做到了。

But they did it.

他们完成了。

They got it done.

他们把所有事情都办好了。

They got all the things.

嗯。

Yep.

太棒了。

So excellent.

谢谢分享这段音频。

Thank you for sharing the audio.

在我们进入节目主题之前，还有什么要补充的吗？

Anything to add on that before we go to the show topic?

我没有。

I do not.

好的。

Alright.

豪华的喷气式飞机音乐。

Fancy jet music.

好的。

Alright.

本周节目的主题由来自查理美好土地下的迈克·高尔夫·高尔夫提供。

This week's show topic is brought to us by Mike Golf Golf from under the good land Charlie.

发送了一个问题。

Sent a question.

嗨，大家。

Hi, guys.

首先，抱歉写了这么长的一段话。

First and foremost, sorry for the novel.

我想聊聊我最喜爱的话题：练习乐器时的表达方式。

Wanted to reach out with my favorite topic, practice instrument approach phraseology.

万岁。

Hooray.

#讽刺

Hashtag sarcasm.

我会尽量不在这段里太挖苦和抱怨。

I'm gonna try not to get too snarky and ranty in this.

你得提醒我别跑题。

You're gonna have to keep me on the rails.

好吗？

Okay?

好的。

Alright.

在过去的几周里，我当地的终端雷达管制单位调整了在为我所在机场（一个非雷达合同机场）安排仪表进近时的用语。

In the last few weeks, I've had my local TRACON adjust their verbiage when getting a practice instrument approach into my home airport, a non radar contract delta.

好的。

Alright.

大多数塔台被视为目视飞行规则塔台。

Most towers are considered VFR towers.

雷达未获准用于引导和其他操作。

The radar is not certified for vectoring and and the things.

我们有点把这一点和‘非雷达’这个词混在一起了。

We're kinda mixing that in with the word non radar.

从技术上讲，他们确实能看见你，但这并不是合法的间隔依据。

Technically, they have something that can see you, but it's it's not a it's not a legal source for separation.

这个总结公平吗？

Is that a fair summary?

我想是吧。

I guess.

他们可能什么都没有。

They might not have anything.

没错。

True.

很多都没有。

A lot of them do not.

是的。

Yeah.

他们可能没有任何显示设备。

Possible that they don't have any any sort of display.

是的。

Yeah.

过去，正如我们在第389期中讨论的那样，我会在申请训练进近时被标记，并被指令保持VFR。

In the past, as we had discussed in episode three eighty nine, I would make my practice approach request get tagged up and get instructed to maintain VFR.

然后我通常会听到指令：‘准许进行训练进近，插入进近名称’，根据我对7110手册的理解，这意味着在训练进近期间为我们提供IFR间隔服务。

I would then usually hear the instruction cleared for the practice approach, insert approach here, which to my understanding of the 7,110 would be giving us IFR separation services while we are on the practice approach.

一般来说，这是正确的。

Generally speaking, that is true.

是的。

Yes.

好的。

Okay.

在过去两周里，术语已改为“批准模拟进近，不提供间隔服务”。

In the last two weeks, the phraseology has changed to practice approach approved, no separation services provided.

我联系了我的终端雷达进近管制室。

I called my TRACON.

他们将其描述为一种语言规范的变更，源于上个月左右出台的一项国家决策。

They described it as a change in language compliance stemming from a national decision that came out in the last month or so.

我还联系了塔台，想看看他们是否有相关见解，他们提到目前正有一种趋势，试图统一模拟进近的术语，无论是否提供间隔服务。

I also called my tower to see if they had any insight, and they mentioned that there is a movement to try to standardize practice approach phraseology regardless if separation services are being provided or not.

你能简要解释一下他所描述的情况吗？

Can you briefly explain what's happening that he's describing?

好的。

Okay.

这部分内容涉及因国家决策而产生的语言规范变更。

The first part of that is a change in language compliance stemming from national decision.

而且这不仅仅是语言上的改变。

And it's not just a language change.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

这是一项服务变更。

It is a services change.

它从原本的‘我基本上可以随时为你提供IFR间隔服务’变成了‘嗯哼’。

It went from being, I can provide you IFR separation, basically, whenever I want Mhmm.

除非有一份给飞行员的通告信函说明我会为那些机场这样做，否则我完全无法执行。

To I can't do it at all unless there is a letter of a a letter to airmen saying that I will do it for those airports.

我们之前讨论过这个问题。

We talked about this before.

我们确实有过那封信函。

We we did have that letter.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我们确实做过。

We did do this.

我们提供过服务。

We provided services.

那封信过期了。

The letter expired.

我们一直提供雷达间隔服务用于训练进近的势头持续了大约两年，直到有人指出，嘿，这封信过期了。

We that momentum of we always provided separation services for practice approaches continued for probably two years before someone said, hey, this letter expired.

我们得停止这样做。

We gotta stop doing this.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我们达成的协议是：不。

And the the the sort of agreement we came to was no.

我们不必停止这样做。

We don't have to stop doing it.

你看，这里明确写着，在71-10中，我们仍然可以实现这一点。

See, we it says right here that in the seventy one ten, we can still accomplish this.

然后这项变更出台了，现在根据手册，你再也不被允许这么做了。

Then this change came out, and now you're just not allowed to do it anymore per the book.

我想我们接下来会更深入地讨论这一点。

We're gonna touch on that, I think, some more here.

所以这里的第二部分提到，这一改变是为了在不考虑分离服务的情况下，统一实践方法的术语。

So then the second part here, they mentioned that as a move to try to standardize practice approach phraseology regardless of separation services.

我觉得这某种程度上是对的，但我不认为他们希望我们提供分离服务，除非有给飞行员的正式函件。

I think it's sort of right, but I I don't they don't want us providing separation services unless there is a letter to Airman.

好的。

Okay.

在我就此大发牢骚之前。

Before I go into a rant on that.

好的。

Okay.

我们就假设根本不会再有那封信了。

Let's just assume that there were was never gonna be another letter.

好的。

Okay.

那封信的存在，为什么会让 FAA 更愿意给管制员提供这种间隔权限呢？

Why would the existence of that letter make it more palatable for the FAA to give that separation ability to the controllers?

换句话说，你可以给进行进近的 VFR 飞机使用 IFR 的间隔标准。

In other words, you can give IFR separation standards to a VFR airplane doing an approach.

那封信为什么会让它们对此感觉更好一些？

Why would that letter make them feel better about doing that?

嗯。

Yeah.

我不知道。

I don't know.

这所有的一切都必须是合法的。

It's all got to be some legal.

是的。

Yeah.

因为这有什么区别呢？

Because what difference does it make?

我们继续吧。

Let's continue.

好的。

Okay.

据我所知，告诉我我是否错了，这一切都源于该设施是否有一项指令，要求在经演练的进近中为VFR飞机提供IFR间隔服务。

From what I can tell and tell me if I'm wrong, this all stems from whether or not the facility has a directive in place to provide IFR separation services to VFR aircraft on a practiced approach.

我们已经讨论过这一点了。

We've discussed that.

这是对的。

That is true.

是的。

Yes.

我的终端雷达管制区没有发布给航空人员的正式函件。

My TRACON does not have a published letter to Airman.

我不知道他们是否会发布，但我的邻近终端雷达管制区都有。

No idea if they will or not, but my neighboring TRACONs do.

这些邻近的终端雷达管制区在其给航空人员的函件中指出，将为主要的C类机场提供IFR间隔服务。

These neighboring TRACON state in their letters to Airman that IFR separation services will be provided to the main Charlie Airport.

在其中一个案例中，另一个涉及更多航班流量的合同Delta。

And in one instance, another contract delta that deals with a lot more airline traffic.

但大多数情况下，是为卫星机场提供间隔服务。

But for the most part, separation services into satellite airports.

这就是你、AG和我用来描述非C类、非B类、非塔台机场的IFR进近机场或VFR飞机的术语，我们为这些无塔台机场提供服务。

That's the term you, AG and I have used to describe non Charlie, non Bravo, IFR, approaching airports or VFR that we provide services to a non towered fields.

这些服务要么不提供，要么由管制员根据情况自行决定是否提供。

Will either not be provided or provided based on a controller discretion or the availability to.

你的意思是，如果没有正式函件，他们就不能提供？

What you're saying that they no longer, if there's no letter, they can't.

他们告诉控制器，你不能这样做。

They've told the controllers you cannot do this.

是的。

Yes.

所以你必须说：‘批准模拟进近，不提供间隔服务。’

So you have to say practice approach approved, no separation services provided.

是的。

Yes.

好的。

Okay.

我只是想弄清楚7110这个规定，我知道飞行员这么做很愚蠢，但我只是想更好地使用NASS，并了解你的看法。

So just looking to wrap my head around the 7,110, foolish of a pilot, I know, but just trying to be a good user of the NASS and to get your point of view on it.

如果我飞向一个查理机场进行模拟进近，我会听到‘批准模拟进近’的术语，还是会直接获得进近许可？

If I'm going into one of the Charlie's shooting a practice approach, will I still hear practice approach approved, phraseology, or or will I get cleared for the approach?

请说。

Go ahead.

不。

No.

你们不应该，至少对我们来说，我们仍在为进入Charlie空域的飞机提供进近许可。

We you you shouldn't, at least for us, we are still doing approaches with a clearance into the Charlie.

好的。

Okay.

有时根据交通情况，如果我无法这样做，比如在平行跑道运行时。

Sometimes based on traffic, if I can't do that, like for parallel runway ops Mhmm.

我会给飞行员一个选择：你可以飞这个。

I will give the pilot an the option of, look, you can fly this.

你正在执行。

You're on it.

你正在做。

You're doing it.

我不会说那些话。

I'm not going to say the words.

如果我说了这些话，我就得带你脱离航线，再绕一圈。

If I say the words, I'm gonna have to break you out and take you back around.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以你可以自己选择。

So you get to pick.

我从未遇到过有人会说，哦，对，带我们脱离吧

I have never had someone say, oh yeah, break us

脱离。

out.

对。

Right.

是啊。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

好吧。

Fine.

我们就这么干。

We'll just do it.

对。

Right.

靠我们自己。

On our own.

我就说直接飞向二号、三号右转。

And I just say make straight in for two three right.

对。

Right.

所以我们快速回顾一下。

So let's review that real quickly.

如果你是一名CFII教员，在提供指导时意识到自己只是当时众多因素中的一个，而管制员受到限制，你的速度造成了问题，导致一架在平行航线上超越你的飞机——比如Triad的例子——会让这个进近无法完成。

If you're a CFII and providing instruction and you realize you're one of, you know, several pieces of the puzzle at the time and the controller is handcuffed, your speed is causing an issue where an airplane that's passing you on a parallel and Triad's example will make this approach undoable.

你仍然可以横向和垂直地执行进近，遵循所有引导。

You could still fly the approach laterally and vertically, follow all the guidance.

你只是听不到那句‘可以进近’的指令。

You just won't hear the magic words saying clear for the approach.

这是因为一旦AG这么做了，他就必须把你当作IFR航班处理，而在很多情况下，这意味着另一架喷气机无法在紧邻的平行跑道上超越你。

And that is because as soon as AG does that, he has to treat you just like an IFR, which in a lot of cases means another jet can't pass you on a close parallel runway.

所以

So

是的。

Yeah.

除非他们是在目视条件下。

Unless they are on a visual.

对。

Right.

或者你看到了另一架飞机，但当它从后方超越你时，这很难做到。

Or you have the other airplane in sight, which is gonna be hard when they're passing you from behind.