PHQ：ENTJ 对比 INTJ

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Hi and welcome to PHQ, questions from the Personality Hacker Community.

我叫乔尔·马克·维特。

My name is Joel Mark Witt.

我是安东尼娅·多奇。

And I'm Antonia Dodge.

那么我们直接进入本周的问题吧。

And let's get right to our question this week.

你好。

Hi.

我是来自堪萨斯州奥拉塔的莉迪亚，我想问一下ENTJ和INTJ的区别。

This is Lydia from Olathe, Kansas and I have a question in regards to ENTJ versus INTJ.

我的最好的朋友是这两种类型中的一种，我和她丈夫正在就这个问题争论，我在你们的网站上找不到任何关于这两种类型在日常表现中的差异、他们的认知功能以及具体表现的说明。

My best friend is one of these two and, me and her husband are having a dispute about them and I couldn't find anything on your website to, talk about the differences between how they show up and what their cognitive functions are and just, what they look like in daily functioning.

所以如果你能为我解答这个问题，那就太好了。

So if you could answer that question for me, that would be fantastic.

非常感谢。

Thank you so much.

祝你今天愉快。

Have a good day.

谢谢Lydia提出这个问题。

Thanks Lydia for the question.

ENTJ和INTJ有什么区别？

What is the difference between ENTJs and INTJs?

是的。

Yeah.

这是个非常好的问题，因为很多人都感到困惑。

This is a really good question because there is a lot of confusion.

人们在确定自己的类型时，常常难以分辨自己到底是ENTJ还是INTJ。

People trying to figure out their type, there can be confusion between understanding whether or not they're an ENTJ and an INTJ.

事实上，我认为很多ENTJ都会被测试为INTJ。

In fact, I think a lot of ENTJs test out as INTJs.

要弄清楚这两者的区别，最好的方法是了解他们的认知功能堆栈。

And the best way to figure out the differences between the two is to go into their cognitive function stacks.

当安东妮亚谈到认知功能堆栈时，她实际上是在谈论你大脑的思维结构。

When Antonia talks about cognitive function stacks, she's actually talking about the mental wiring of your mind.

这层结构位于你获得的MBTI四个字母代码（比如INTJ）之下。

This is the layer below just that Myers Briggs four digit or four letter code that you get, you know, INTJ.

基本上，那个代码只是对你大脑如何运作、如何感知世界以及如何对所见事物做决策的简写。

Basically, that code is shorthand for how your mind is wired, how you're perceiving the world, how you're making decisions about things that you see in the world.

要了解更多相关信息并找到参考点，建议你访问personalityhacker.com。

The best way to find out a little bit more about this and have a a reference point for you is to go over to personalityhacker.com.

如果你是刚接触这个节目的新听众，可以搜索‘汽车模型’或‘认知功能’，你会获得大量相关信息。

If you're a brand new listener, put in the search term car model or cognitive functions, and you're gonna get a ton of information around this.

‘汽车模型’是个很好的入门起点。

The car model is a great place to start.

它为我们即将讨论的认知功能提供了一个清晰的框架。

It gives a it gives a great framework for what we're about to talk about around cognitive functions.

所以我建议你先去这么做。

So I'd recommend you go do that first.

是的。

Yeah.

接下来我们要深入分析这两种类型的认知功能栈，因为这真正解释了为什么它们不仅仅是不同的性格类型，还一个是内向、一个是外向。

So we're gonna go into the cognitive function stack for both of these types because it really I mean, it's what informs why they're just not the same personality type, but one's introverted and one's extroverted.

它们确实是两种非常不同的类型，尽管显然会有很多重叠之处。

Like they really are two very distinctive types, though there obviously is going to be a lot of crossover.

ENTJ的认知功能是这样的——我会参考汽车模型，因为这样更容易理解。

So the cognitive functions for ENTJ is and I'm going to reference the car model because it's just easier.

主导功能是外向思维，也就是效率。

The driver process is extroverted thinking or effectiveness.

辅助功能是内向直觉，也就是视角。

And the copilot process is introverted intuition or perspectives.

儿童功能是外向感觉，也就是感官体验。

The ten year old process is extroverted sensing or sensation.

而三岁小孩的过程是内向情感或真实性。

And the three year old process is introverted feeling or authenticity.

对于INTJ来说，你拥有相同的认知功能，但顺序不同。

Now for an INTJ, you've got the same cognitive functions, but you got them in a different order.

它们在车里的座位不一样。

They're sitting in different seats in the car.

对于INTJ来说，他们的主导功能是内向直觉或视角。

For an INTJ, their driver processes introverted intuition or perspectives.

请记住，这在ENTJ那里是副驾驶功能。

Now remember that was a copilot for ENTJs.

而对于INTJ，副驾驶功能是外向思维或效率。

And for INTJs, the copilot is extroverted thinking or effectiveness.

所以两种类型都有相同的前排乘客：内向直觉和外向思维，只是顺序颠倒了。

So you've got the same two front passengers for both types, introverted intuition and extroverted thinking, but in reverse order.

对于ENTJ来说，主导功能是效率，副驾驶功能是视角。

For an ENTJ, again, it's effectiveness as the driver, perspectives as the copilot.

对于INTJ来说，视角是主导功能，效率是辅助功能。

For an INTJ its perspectives as the driver and effectiveness as the copilot.

对于坐在10岁位置的INTJ来说，是内向情感或真实性。

Now for an INTJ sitting in the 10 year old position is introverted feeling or authenticity.

而3岁位置是外向感觉或感知。

And the three year old position is extroverted sensing or sensation.

所以，你同样拥有后座的乘客，只是位置不同。

So again, you've got the same passengers in the back seat, but in different positions.

它们从10岁到3岁的位置是反过来的。

You've got them in reverse order from 10 year old to three year old.

这看起来可能是个细微的差别，但实际上改变了所有东西。

Now that might seem like a subtle difference, but it actually changes everything.

它改变了人格类型的整个动态以及他们的表现方式。

It changes the entire dynamic of the personality type and how they show up.

原因在于，我们的劣势功能，也就是车模中的3岁功能，对我们来说是一个盲点。

The reason for this is our inferior process or a three year old process in the car model is a blind spot for us.

而我们的10岁功能是一种弱点，但至少在我们的关注范围内。

And our 10 old process is a weakness but something that is on our radar.

这两种类型后座乘客的表现方式，实际上反映了他们总体的行为模式。

The way that the backseat passengers show up for these two types really informs how they're going to show up in general.

由于ENTJ以外向思维（即效率）为主导，这是一种注重完成任务的过程。

Now because an ENTJ leads with extraverted thinking or effectiveness, which is a get things done process.

并且他们的10岁功能是外向感觉（即感官体验），关乎身体感受，享受充满肾上腺素的活动，简单来说，就是通过全然活在当下体验世界。

And because their ten year old process is extroverted sensing or sensation, which is about being in your body, it's about enjoying things that are adrenaline oriented, it's about you know, basically experiencing the world by being very much in the moment.

由于这是他们的主导功能和10岁功能——即有意识的功能，因此能量问题对ENTJ来说并不那么突出。

Because this is a dominant process driver process and a ten year old process or a conscious process for them, it means that energy is not as much of an issue for ENTJs.

事实上，ENTJ拥有充沛的精力去实现他们想要达成的目标。

In fact, ENTJs have quite a bit of energy in order to accomplish what they want to accomplish.

对他们而言，能量管理更多体现在想完成太多事情，因而试图优化自己的影响力。

For them energy management comes more around wanting to get so many things done that they're trying to optimize their impact.

他们追求高效与有效，因为他们要同时处理大量不同的任务。

They're trying to be efficient and effective because they're trying to get so many different things done.

这意味着能量管理对他们来说很重要，但重要的是以优化的方式进行。

That means the energy management is important to them but important to them in an optimization way.

而INTJ以内向直觉或视角为主导，他们的十年龄过程是内向情感或真实性。

Whereas INTJ lead with introverted intuition or perspectives and their ten year old process is introverted feeling or authenticity.

这意味着他们有意识关注的是与沉思、内省以及理解事物长期发展相关的事情。

That means that what's more on their conscious awareness is things that have to do with contemplation, introspection, understanding how things play out in the long run.

这也意味着他们的能量会少得多，因为他们的感觉过程——外向感觉，即享受肾上腺素、享受当下、享受感官体验的部分——是他们的三年龄过程，也就是他们的盲点。

And it also means that energy is going to be a lot less available to them because their sensation process, extroverted sensing or the part of them that enjoys adrenaline, enjoys being in the moment, enjoys sensory experience, is their three year old process, that's their blind spot.

因此，对于INTJ来说，能量管理不仅仅是为了优化完成大量任务而需要解决的问题。

So for INTJs energy management is not simply something that they're trying to figure out in order to optimize getting all this stuff done.

对他们而言，这更像是一种生存策略。

For them it's more of a, it's kind of like a survival technique.

我认为是更多地偏向于节约，而非优化。

More conservation than optimization I would say.

是的，是的。

Yeah, yeah.

因为对INTJ来说，能量管理通常是圣杯。

Cause an INTJ energy management is like the holy grail usually.

他们的能量是有限的，而INTJ和ENTJ一样，喜欢从宏观角度思考，试图完成巨大的目标。

There's only so much energy that they have and INTJs just like ENTJs think in big terms they're trying to get huge things done.

但通常只有一个宏大的总体规划。

But it's usually one big master plan.

这就像一件宏大的史诗级任务，对INTJ而言，关键问题之一是如何在意识到自己个体能量极其有限的情况下，完成这件大事。

It's like one big kind of epic thing and a major piece for INTJs of trying to figure out how to get this big thing handled or big thing accomplished is frequently how do I do it recognizing how little energy I may have as an individual.

另一点是，虽然NTJ类型都可能是优秀的领导者，但由于ENTJ的主导功能是外向思考，而外向思考明白，要完成这些庞大的项目、重大的目标，必须整合其他资源。

Another piece of it is while both NTJ types can be excellent leaders, because extroverted thinking is the driver process for an ENTJ, extroverted thinking understands that in order to get these big, big projects accomplished, these big game things accomplished, they're going to have to bring in other resources.

他们需要借助他人来实现这些目标。

They're going to have to bring in other people in order to make these things happen.

由于这是他们的主导功能，意味着他们从一生中很早就开始实践这一点。

And because it's a driver dominant process for them, it means that they've been doing this for basically their entire lives.

他们在非常年幼的时候就学会了这一课。

They learned this lesson very, very young.

为了完成大型计划，你必须引入其他人。

You're gonna have to bring in other people in order to get big game plans accomplished.

因此，他们往往会培养一种能力，也就是把这些人组织起来。

And so they tend to build the skill of you know, it's basically corralling those people.

他们很早就学会了如何让其他人参与进来，以完成这些事情。

They build the skill of getting other people involved in order to get these things accomplished very young.

他们倾向于——并不总是如此，但通常会——发展这方面的技能。

And they have a tendency not always, but they trend toward getting like building skill in it.

天赋通常如果没有伴随相应的技能，就没什么用处。

Usually a talent is not very useful unless you also build skill to go with it.

ENTJ有天赋，同时也发展了大量领导技能，特别是那种能让人完成项目的领导力。

And ENTJs have talent but also a lot of skill developed in leadership or specifically leadership that gets people to do you know projects.

对于INTJ来说，他们也有外向思维，但只是辅助功能。

For INTJs, they also have extroverted thinking, but it's their co pilot position.

因此，这并不是像ENTJ那样贯穿他们一生的技能。

So it's not something that they've been going to their entire life in the same way that an ENTJ has.

因此，尽管他们在领导他人方面也有天赋，但这并不一定是他们长期以来不断培养的技能。

And so while they also have talent for leading people, it's not necessarily something that they've been building skill in over time.

相反，他们一直将精力集中在内向直觉或视角上，这是他们的主导功能，这意味着他们更重视对未来进行预测和规划，以更宏观的方式理解概念，以及这些宏大想法对自己和人类等的影响。

Instead, they've been focusing their efforts on introverted intuition or perspectives as their dominant process, which means that they put a lot more stock and value in future casting, future pacing, understanding concepts in sort of a bigger way and the implications of these big game thoughts on themselves and on humanity, etc.

因此，对于INTJ来说，当涉及到领导力时，通常是因为他们内心有驱动力，或者环境强烈促使他们去发展自己的辅助功能。

So for an INTJ, usually when leadership comes up for an INTJ it's because they either had an inner drive or the environment really encouraged them to go to their copilot and develop that.

他们发展了自己的外向思考能力，是因为某种原因让他们意识到自己需要这样做。

They developed their extroverted thinking because something told them they needed to.

这通常不像ENTJ那样是一种无意识的内在驱动力。

It's usually not an unconscious inner drive like it is with an ENTJ.

对ENTJ来说，这是他们的主导功能，因此是一种无意识的主要推动力。

For an ENTJ it's their dominant process so it is an unconscious prime mover.

对INTJ来说，走向这个领域必须是一个深思熟虑的决定。

For an INTJ it has to be a thoughtful decision to go to that space.

因此，尽管INTJ在领导风格或天赋上与ENTJ相似，但他们并不一定具备相应的技能。

So while INTJs have a similar leadership style or talent as ENTJs, they don't necessarily have the skill developed.

对于ENTJ来说，他们通常已经具备了这种技能，但不幸的是，他们的辅助功能是直觉或内向直觉，除非外界鼓励他们去发展这一面，否则他们可能会回避它。

For an ENTJ, they usually have the skill developed but unfortunately their copilot process being perspectives or introverted intuition, unless the world has encouraged them to go that place, that's the thing that they may have avoided.

我说‘不幸’的原因是，这个世界通常并不鼓励人们进入内向直觉这样的直觉空间。

And the reason why I say unfortunately is because the world usually does not encourage people to go to an intuitive space like introverted intuition.

这个世界其实并不真正理解这一点。

The world doesn't really understand that.

所以这可能不是他们的盲点，但可能是他们没有太多技能积累的领域。

So that might be a blind, not a blind spot for them, but that might be something that they haven't really built a lot of skill around.

因此，ENTJ可能实际上非常活跃、充满能量，能完成很多事情，但他们可能没有采纳内心真正希望看到的宏观视野。

So an ENTJ may actually be really super active and very energetic and very like get a lot of things done, but it might not take in the scope that their heart really desires them to take in.

他们可能没有激励他人专注于那些真正具有重大意义的项目。

It might not be you know, motivating others to focus on projects that are really big game.

而INTJ几乎总是以宏观视角思考，他们的疑问往往是：我如何让别人帮助我实现这一切？

Whereas an INTJ is almost always going to think in big game, their question is going to be how do I get people to help me create that?

对于ENTJ来说，让别人帮助自己实现目标很容易，但如何深入内心，理解如何完成真正宏大的事业呢？

For an ENTJ getting people to help create things is easy, but how do I tap into that inner part of me that helps me understand how to get something really big accomplished?

所以，如果你是这两种类型之一，要知道你是不是ENTJ，你正在试图判断自己是不是ENTJ。

So the principles here if you're one of these two types, know you're an ENTJ and you're trying to determine am I an ENTJ?

我是INTJ吗？

Am I an INTJ?

我想简单提一下可能让一些ENTJ困惑的一点：你是外向型，但你所使用的外向型认知功能——外向思考或效率过程——并不总是围绕着与人交往来体现外向。

One of the things that I and I just want to mention briefly that might trip up some ENTJs, you are an extrovert, but your extroverted that cognitive function you're using, that extroverted thinking or effectiveness process is not always just focused around being an extrovert around people.

我们通常认为外向型的人就是那种喜欢社交、总爱和人待在一起的人。

You know, we often think of extroverts as showing up as people people.

对吧？

Right?

他们喜欢和人在一起，总是社交不断。

They like to be around people and social all the time.

作为ENTJ，你也可以是这样，但你通常会把这种外向过程聚焦在完成外界的任务上。

And you can be that way as an ENTJ, but often you're focusing that process, that extroverted process on accomplishing things in the outside world.

你关注的是完成任务、管理人员和资源，这才是你表现外向的方式。

You're focusing on that accomplishing tasks, managing people and resources and that's how you're extroverting.

因此，作为ENTJ，你可能会表现出比他人预期或假设的更内向，正是因为这一点。

So you you can often as an ENTJ show up more introverted than people would assume or people would expect of you because of that.

因为当你外向时，并不一定是以人为导向的外向。

Because the fact that when you're extroverting, it's not necessarily people focused extroversion.

你的重点是把事情完成。

It's focused on getting things done.

所以，如果你在试图区分这两种类型，我想提醒你一点，可以记在心里。

So that's one little tweak I would say to just kinda keep in the back of your head if you're trying to determine between these two types.

我认为，你刚才提到的，安东妮亚，真正关键的原则是能量管理这一点。

And I think the thing that the real principle here that you said, Antonia, that I wanna just hit home at the end of this is that piece of energy management.

你知道，你展现出来的能量状态，或者你希望节约还是优化能量，如果你在纠结自己是ENTJ还是INTJ，这是一个非常好的自问问题。

You know, that that piece if the energy that you're showing up with or how much you wanna conserve energy or optimize energy is a really great question for you if you're struggling between, am I an ENTJ?

我是ENTJ吗？

Am I am I an INTJ?

这是一个很好的聚焦问题，能帮助你思考：你如何看待能量的价值或用途。

That's a great focus question for you to determine what do you see as the benefit or the usefulness of energy.

你怎么看？

How do you see it?

你是想节约精力，还是想优化它并充分发挥其潜力？

Do you wanna conserve it or do you wanna optimize it and use it to its fullest capacity?

我觉得你刚才提到了一个概念，就是ENTJ虽然是外向型，但并不是我们通常意义上社交意义上的外向，也就是不太爱社交。

I think, you just mentioned that concept about you know, ENTJs being extroverts, but not in the way that we necessarily socially define extrovert like not very social.

我认为，如果有人妨碍了ENTJ完成任务，他们反而会感到烦躁。

I think ENTJs can actually get annoyed by people if those people are interrupting their ability to get things done.

所以实际上，一些ENTJ可能会觉得自己是内向者，因为当别人妨碍他们完成任务时，会消耗他们的精力。

So actually some ENTJs might think they're introverts because people drain them if those people are removing their ability to accomplish tasks.

因为外向思维的能量来源于项目、完成任务、处理事务，以及理解外部世界中哪些方法有效。

Because extroverted thinking gets energy by projects, by getting things done, by getting things handled, by understanding what works in the outside world.

如果你周围的人总是成为这种目标的障碍。

And if the people you're surrounding yourself with are like a constant obstruction to that.

疯狂的制造者。

Crazy makers.

是的，如果他们是制造混乱的人，你可能会觉得自己是个内向者，因为你不想和这些人待在一起。

Yeah, if they're crazy makers you might think that you're an introvert because you don't want be anywhere around those people.

这正是个完美的词——制造混乱的人。

That's exactly that's a perfect word is crazy maker.

所以对ENTJ来说，他们很容易认为自己是内向者，因为他们可能只想远离所有这些制造混乱的人。

So for an ENTJ it's very easy for them to think that they're introverts because they might want to just stay away from all those crazy makers.

于是他们会想：我不喜欢制造混乱的人，所以我一定是个内向者。

And so they go, Oh, I don't like crazy makers, I must be an introvert.

我认为INTJ认为自己是外向者的可能性要小得多。

I think it's less likely for an INTJ to believe they're an extrovert.

尽管如果他们在外向思维这一辅助功能上发展出了很强的技能，这种情况偶尔也会发生。

Although I think it can happen sometimes if they've got a lot of skill developed in their extroverted thinking process, that co pilot process.

但大多数时候，INTJ都清楚自己在精力管理方面存在一些问题或困扰。

But for most most of the time INTJs know that they have some issue or some struggle with energy management.

我认为另一个关键点在于他们内在的情感功能部分，抱歉。

I think another piece really comes down to this introverted feeling part of them, excuse me.

对于INTJ来说，真实性部分是他们的十岁孩子，这意味着它会是一个弱点，但他们对此有意识。

The authenticity part for an INTJ it's their 10 year old, which means it's going be a weakness but on their conscious awareness.

对于ENTJ来说，这将是三岁孩子的过程，这意味着他们根本不会对此有太多意识。

For an ENTJ it's going be the three year old process, which means it's not even going to really be very conscious for them at all.

我注意到，ENTJ对什么是对的、什么是错的有更坚定的看法。

I've noticed that ENTJs have a more resolute idea of what is right and wrong.

但这也不总是如此，还会受到你的九型人格、成长环境等因素的影响。

Not always this also will be influenced by things like your Enneagram type and you know how you grew up etc.

但我发现，ENTJ对现实中的事物应该如何运作，往往持有更非黑即白的观点。

But I have noticed that ENTJs have a little bit more of a black and white perspective about how things should be working in reality.

一旦他们确立了核心价值观，就会像水泥一样固化在他们心中。

When they've come down on a core value, it's just it's like cemented inside of them.

你不准那样做。

You don't do that.

任何这样做的人都是可鄙的人。

Anybody who does that is a reprehensible person.

而我注意到，由于内向情感或真实性是INTJ的第三或十岁功能，他们并不是道德上模棱两可，但在对善恶的感知上可能稍微更灵活一些。

Whereas I've noticed that INTJs because introverted feeling or authenticity is their tertiary or ten year old process, I've noticed that they're a little, not morally ambiguous by any means, but they can be a little bit more flexible in how they perceive good and bad.

他们对这种认知的忠诚度更高。

They have more fidelity to the perception there.

这是个很好的想法。

That's a great idea.

看起来好像

Seem a

多了一点细微差别。

little bit more nuance.

他们往往不太会那么评判他人。

They tend to not be as, I guess the word is judgmental.

ENTJ以外向判断功能为主导。

ENTJs are leading with an extroverted judging process.

外向思维关乎决策、判断，其态度指向外部世界。

Extroverted thinking is about decision making, it's about judging, and it's and it go you know, its attitude is pointing towards the outside world.

由于内向情感或真实性是他们的三岁或劣势功能，他们往往采取一种设定后就不管的态度。

And because introverted feeling or authenticity is their three year old or their inferior, then they they kind of have a set it and forget it.

就像是我已经认定这是好是坏，事情就该是这样。

It's like I I have deemed this good or bad, and this is how things are.

如果外部世界没有这样回应，那就会想，好吧，那它就应该做这件事。

And if the outside world isn't responding that way, it's you know, well then it should be doing this thing.

为什么它不这么做呢？

And why is it not?

它一定是出了问题、坏了，或者有缺陷。

And it must be faulty or broken or must be defective.

ENTJ走出这种状态的方法是更多地进入他们的辅助功能——内向直觉。

The way for an ENTJ to get out of that space is to go more and more into their co pilot process of introverted intuition.

内向直觉会让他们从多个角度看待问题，理解为什么每个人所做的一切对他们而言都完全合理。

Introverted intuition will allow them to see from multiple perspectives and understand how, you know, that concept that everything everybody does makes complete and total sense to them.

如果你能达到这种状态，那就说明你已经完全进入了你的辅助功能——内向直觉。

Well, you'll know you have fully gotten into your copilot process of introverted intuition if you can get to that space.

如果你能深入别人的内心，理解他们所做的一切对他们而言为何完全合理，基于他们当下的本质和内在体系，他们其实别无选择。

If you can get so much inside somebody else's head that you realize why everything they're doing makes complete and total sense to them and they really based on who they are, the system of who they are in the moment, they can't really do anything else.

他们所做的任何事，都是他们整个系统必然涌现的结果。

Like whatever they're doing is the inevitable emergent of the entire system that is them.

因此，对于ENTJ来说，你可以看出他们随着时间推移变得越来越成熟，因为他们变得不那么爱评判了。

And so for an ENTJ, you can tell that they're getting seasoned over time because they're getting less judgmental.

事情不再那么非黑即白。

Things are less and less black and white.

他们的视角变得更宽广，也更具包容性。

Things are more, they have a more like broader view and they have more acceptance.

而对于INTJ来说，他们从一开始就理解这个原则，因为这正是他们的主导功能。

Whereas with an INTJ, they kind of understand that that's a principle they understand from the get go because that's their dominant process.

内向直觉是他们生活的世界。

Introverted intuition is where they live.

所以，他们未必会给予他人宽容，但至少能理解对方的立场——所谓宽容，是指他们不会默认对方的行为就是对的，对吧？

So giving other, they don't necessarily give other people grace, but they do at least understand where that person's coming Like by grace I mean they won't necessarily like assume the other person's doing the right thing, right?

他们不一定完全宽恕，但会理解。

They're not necessarily going to be 100% forgiving, but they will be understanding.

他们会理解那个人为何会以那样的方式行事。

They will understand why that person is coming from where they're coming from.

而随着时间推移变得更加成熟的INTJ，不仅仅停留在深思的状态，他们实际上会进入一种主动的状态。

Whereas an INTJ that gets more seasoned over time isn't simply going to be in that thoughtful space, they're actually going to be in an active space.

他们会将自己的洞察力和把握宏观视角的能力，吸收大量信息。

They're going to take their thoughtfulness and their ability to see these big broad perspectives and take in a lot of territory.

然后将这些应用到外部世界的具体项目中。

And then they're going to apply it to projects in the outside world.

因此，他们会成为越来越积极的参与者。

So they're going to become more and more active participants.

他们实际上会主导项目，并在外部世界推动重大变革。

They're actually going to be leading projects and they're going to be making big things happen in the outside world.

这并不一定意味着他们处于最高领导层，尽管这种情况也可能发生。

That doesn't necessarily mean that they're at top leadership, although that can happen as well.

但这意味着他们将在自己的环境中产生影响，对于INTJ来说，一旦达到这个阶段，他们会意识到这极具回报。

But it does mean that they're going to be making an impact in their environment, which for INTJs, once they get to that space, they realize that that is massively rewarding.

在外部世界中产生影响，远比坐观其变更有成就感。

It is way more rewarding to make an impact in the outside world than to sit back and be a spectator.

因此，对INTJ来说，通常需要克服的是旁观者的姿态，他们必须成为积极的参与者。

So for INTJs usually it's the spectator piece that has to be overcome and they have to become active participants.

对于ENTJ来说，通常需要他们更多地采取旁观者的立场，不能仅凭假设就盲目推进或基于假设行动，而需要退后一步，从更宏观的视角看待问题。

For ENTJs it's usually that they have to take more of a spectator position, that they can't just make assumptions and you know, start building on those assumptions or moving with those assumptions, that they need to step back a little bit and take a broader view.

因此，如果你留意的话，会发现随着ENTJ和INTJ越来越成熟，他们会越来越相似。

And so if you notice ENTJs and INTJs as they become more and more seasoned will look more and more like each other.

然而，INTJ通常更注重道德一致性，而ENTJ则更偏向行动导向。

However, you're still going to have like more morality fidelity with an INTJ whereas with an ENTJ you're going to have more action orientation.

我认为，这种能量层面的差异也很重要。

And I think that energy piece is also big.

是的，这在我们为ENTJ和INTJ设计的个人发展入门工具包中非常有趣。

Yeah, it's really interesting in our, personal development starter kit for both ENTJs and INTJs.

入门套件的一部分包含一个附加内容，我采访了一位ENTJ和一位INTJ，我们进行了一场长达近一个半小时的对话，讨论了他们性格表现方式的一些差异。

Part of the starter kit comes with a bonus where I interviewed, I had like this long hour, I think it was like almost an hour and a half conversation with an ENTJ and an INTJ where we discussed some of the differences in how their personalities show up.

我们谈到他们各自如何看待对方的主导功能和辅助功能，以及当周围有其他人时——比如，如果你是INTJ，身边有一位同样在个人成长道路上的ENTJ，你们可以互相支持，因为你们的主导功能恰好是对方的辅助功能，反之亦然。

And we were talking about how they each see each other's dominant and copilot process and how being around other people, like if you're an INTJ for example, being around an ENTJ who's also on a personal development growth path, you can help support each other because you have as your as your dominant process, your your driver, that's the copilot of the other person and vice versa.

因此，这是一种非常默契的关系，就像铁磨铁一样，共同成长。

And so it's a great sympatico relationship for kind of iron sharpening iron in a sense of growing together.

在这个入门套件中，我们深入探讨了这两种类型之间的一些差异，这场对话非常引人入胜。

And so it's a really fascinating conversation in that starter kit where we unpack some of these differences between the two types.

所以，如果你已经获得了入门套件，你现在就可以访问这段内容，并在你的入门套件中收听。

And so, if if you have already gotten the starter kit, you you have access to that right now and and you can listen to that in your starter kit.

我认为，这场关于这个主题的对话非常有趣。

I think that's a really fascinating conversation around this exact topic.

是的。

Yeah.

如果你还没有入门套件，我建议你访问网站，搜索ENTJ和INTJ。

And and if you don't have the starter kit, my recommendation is to go to the website and put in ENTJ and INTJ.

我们还就这些类型制作了长篇播客。

And we have done long form podcasts on on each of these types.

我们也为这两种类型撰写了文章。

And we've also written articles on both of the types.

汽车模型也会包含在这些文章中。

And the car model will be in the articles as well.

所以，如果你仍然难以确定自己可能是哪种类型，我建议你去听这些播客，同时阅读文章，对照汽车模型，尝试判断哪种类型更符合你的认知功能配置。

So if you are still having trouble trying to suss out which one you might be, then my recommendation is to go listen to those podcasts and then also read the articles, look at the car model side by side and try to determine which one is actually a better fit with the cognitive function configuration.

是的。

Yeah.

这是一个建议。

And that and that's a recommendation.

我们提供了大量免费资源，包括免费指南、视频、文章和下载内容，遍布整个网站，最好的起点是 personalityhacker.com。

We've got a ton of free resources, free guides, videos, articles, downloads all over the place in the web, and the best place to start for that is personalityhacker.com.

事实上，我们希望你在本集PHQ节目下方留言告诉我们你的想法。

In fact, we wanna hear from you below this PHQ episode.

你有什么想法？

What are your thoughts?

接下来有什么？

What's coming up?

你是ENTJ还是INTJ？

Are you an ENTJ or an INTJ?

这有帮助吗？

Has this been clarifying?

基于我们今天的对话，你还有其他问题吗？

Do you have more questions that are coming up based on our conversation today?

你有没有在生活里，甚至在听这个节目的时候，有过这样的时刻？

Have you had moments in your life or even listening to this?

你有没有想过：‘哦，我觉得我就是这种类型’，因为你们真的帮我理清了这一点？

Have you gone, oh, I think I'm this type because you guys really clarified this for me?

我们想听到你的声音，想了解你的想法。

We wanna hear your voice, wanna hear from you.

你可以在本集PHQ节目下方留言或直接提问。

You can leave a comment or ask a question directly below this PHQ episode.

你也可以加入我们的社群，每天都有志同道合的人在facebook.com/personalityhacker或twitter.com/personalityhack,hack上成长。

You can also join a community of like minds growing every day over at facebook.com/personalityhacker or twitter.com/personalityhack,hack.

如果你有问题想问我们，可以通过访问personalityhacker.com/questions来提交问题，我们可能会在PHQ节目中回答。

And if you have a question for us, you can actually ask a question that we can answer on this show PHQ by going over to personalityhacker.com/questions.

我们更希望你能像今天听到的那样，录制一段问题。

Our preference is you record a question like you heard here today.

我们可以现场播放你的录音，然后为你解答。

We can play it live on the air and then answer it.

如果你因为某些原因无法录制，比如设备音频问题，或者你不想在直播中开口说话，也可以直接打字提交问题。

And you can also type in your question if you're unable to record it for some reason, whether it's audio challenges to your computer or you just don't wanna speak, live on the air.

所以请前往personalityhacker.com/questions，参与我们的PHQ节目。

So please head over to personalityhacker.com forward slash questions so you can be a part of the PHQ show as well.

我的名字是乔尔·马克·维特。

My name is Joel Mark Witt.

我是安东尼娅·多奇。

And I'm Antonia Dodge.

我们将在下一期 Personality Hacker 社区的 PHQ 问答中与您交流。

And we will talk with you on the next PHQ questions from the Personality Hacker community.