这届季后赛简直疯狂！— Plat Chat VALORANT 第231期

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Live. We are live.

大家好，欢迎收看Planchat第231期。现在跟直播观众说声抱歉，我们迟到了，因为我犯蠢了。而且——

Hello, and welcome to Planchat episode 231. And now, for any of the live viewers, we're late because I'm an idiot. And the one

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of the

说实话这不会让人意外对吧？大家早就习以为常了。不过我们今天的嘉宾还有——我是说除了Sliggy和Chobra这两位老面孔（说真的大家早看腻他们了吧？），还有来自中文流解说团队的Alan。

and that honestly, that won't surprise people, will it? That will not surprise people. But we're also joined here by I mean, by Sliggy and Chobra, but, I mean, we're we're bored of them by this point, aren't we? We're bored of them by this point. But we're also joined by Alan, who's from the Chinese broadcast.

你在中国电竞圈深耕多年，比如守望先锋等项目。我知道你一直是连接东西方信息的重要桥梁，毕竟跨赛区信息有时很难获取。就像我们常为巴西赛区头疼，因为很多内容都是葡萄牙语的。

I mean, you've been working in Chinese esports, like Overwatch and stuff, for a long time. I know that you've been kind of, like, a very good connection for us in terms of, like, getting information on both sides of what's going on, because sometimes it can be difficult. I mean, across all regions. Right? We sometimes struggle with, like, Brazil, for example, because a lot of their content is in Portuguese.

非常感谢你能来参加节目，待会儿我们要深入聊聊VCT中国赛区的情况。

So it's thank you very much for coming and joining us, we're gonna talk more about the the VCTCN.

当然。希望如此。我希望能...能让大家更了解VCT中国赛区之类的信息。我也非常乐意随时与各位分享任何资讯。

Yeah. Of course. I hope so. That I do hope that I could be, you know, letting you know letting you guys know more about VCT China or something like that. And I'm always more than more than happy to share anything with you.

嗯。

Yeah.

太棒了。

Yeah. I love that.

不过我想先聊的是——天哪可别害我们被黄标——中国赛区的总决赛简直疯狂！就算只看过几场VCT中国赛事的观众也知道，他们的制作规模向来宏大。

The the place that I wanted to start though is holy don't wanna get us demonetized. Holy crikey. Nice. The show in China, it was insane for the grand finals. If people if people have only watched a bit of VCT in China, they they they will know that the production is normally big.

你们有一个超大的、常规的小组赛演播厅，但这次感觉很奇怪，因为这就像是冠军赛前的预热赛，太疯狂了。

Like, you guys have a a a really big, like, normal group stage studio. But this was, like that it feels strange because this is, like, a champs before champs. It's wild.

没错，完全就是我的感受。在我看来，TGA体育——也就是中国所有VCD赛事的主要主办方，尤其是官方赛事——正在突破极限。他们试图通过这次重庆的IELTS总决赛来试探能否将其推向冠军赛的标准。

Yeah. Of course. I it's it's that is exactly what I feel. The big it it feels to me that TGA Sports, which is basically the the the host of the all the VCD China's events and mostly about of official ones, basically, are pushing the limits. They're trying to say if they can trying to make an IELTS final, which is this one in Chongqing, to a limit to see if they can push it to the standard of the champions.

你能看到很多设置与国际赛事如多伦多大师赛、冠军赛如出一辙。比如选手接受采访时背后有观众环绕，赛后采访也是人群簇拥。这和他们过去的做法截然不同，我感觉他们是在为2026年预热——毕竟2026年冠军赛将在中国上海举办，他们想测试自己的极限能做到多好。

You can see a lot of settings are just the basically the same as what you can see in an international event like Masters Toronto, like like champions. Like, you can see players get interviewed with crowd behind them. You can see that when we have post match interview, it is all it the crowds around them. So it is very different from what they are trying to do before. And it feels to me that they are trying to, you know, get a little bit taste of what they want to do for 2026 because 2026 champions will happen in will happen in Shanghai in China, and they want to test what they can do to the best, to the limit.

是啊。

Yeah.

老兄这太让我兴奋了，所有东西都酷毙了！那些无人机表演，他们搞的无人机特效简直...

Dude, that's that's exciting for me because all of this was sick, dude. I was looking at all the drone stuff. Like, all the drone stuff they were doing was so

帅呆了伙计。

cool, man.

我当时就惊了，我的天。

I was just like, my god.

确实，至今仍让我震撼。小时候我看的是烟花表演，现在我们看的是无人机秀。

Yeah. It still it still amaze me because when I was a child, I was working I was watching fire works, and now we are watching, like, drone shows.

简直是啊。

Like Yeah.

这什么神仙操作？而且他们还尝试了很多新花样——比如请本土音乐家用方言向观众问好，还有中国超红的喜剧演员来打表演赛。

Like, what the hell? And yeah. And I think it's, like, they tried a lot of different things. You you you have, like, local musicians who is coming to the stage using dialects to say hello to the audience. You have, like, comedians who is really popular in China and coming to the stage to do a show match.

你看，三星为BC中国专门做了这场直播秀。他们做的很多事情其实是一种整体策略，不是单场比赛那么简单。不只是我们知道的六场或八场《功城》比赛，而是一整套打包方案。

You have, like you you can you have this live show of Samsung for BC China only. And a lot of the things they are trying to do is just trying to I think it's a wholesale thing. It's not a single match. It's not only we have, you know, six or eight matching GongChain. It's it's a wholesale deal.

整个活动不仅在这个场馆进行，还在重庆其他多个场地同步展开，整座城市都沸腾了。他们在制作和本地化方面做得非常出色，TD体育的表现尤其亮眼。

You can see the the entire event is happening not in not only in this venue, but also in other other places in Chongqing, the whole city is really, like, on fire. So think they are doing really good. I think when we're talking about production, when we're talking about, like, how to do localization things, TD Sports is doing really good.

哇靠，这也太疯狂了吧。他们还请了本地喜剧演员来表演赛？

Yeah. Dude, that's nuts. They had local comedians turning up to the show match?

没错，有位当下超火的中国喜剧演员傅汉，整个活动期间包括决赛日他都有出场，还打了手游表演赛。看得出他们想抓住所有能吸引年轻人的流行文化元素。

Yeah. Those there's a there's a Chinese comedian, which is really popular right now, which is his his name is Fu Han, and he's showing up during all this event and including on the final day. And he played the mobile show match. Yeah. So you can see they are trying to get a grip on every, like, popular culture that could have on the on the teenagers, on on on the young young guys and whatever.

可能是喜剧演员本身的魅力，也可能是说唱这类流行文化。他们试图把握所有这些要素，确保观众获得顶级体验。

Maybe it is about the comedian. Maybe it's maybe it is about the comedian himself. Maybe it is about this pop culture. Maybe it is about rap. All the things they are trying to get a grip on and making sure that you are just, like, treated well.

如果你作为观众来到中国，你会被照顾得很好。参加活动绝对能获得最佳体验。

If you are audience, you have visited China, you are treated well. Like, you can get the best experience if you go to the if you go to the event.

确实，看起来太炸了。我其实还有个问题想请教——

Yeah. I mean, it looks sick. It actually looks incredible. The the the other question I wanted to ask, actually,

是

is

你参与过《守望先锋》赛事，肯定了解其他电竞项目的人气。《无畏契约》在中国相比之下如何？

like, you've been involved in the Overwatch scene. I'm sure you're aware of, like, other esports popularity and that kind of stuff. Yeah. Of course. What how does Valorant compare within China?

这很难判断，像《英雄联盟》在中国场场爆满，《守望先锋》当年也能填满巨型体育馆。不同时代的游戏很难横向比较哪个更火——毕竟OWL都是几年前的事了。

It's kinda tough for us when it's like, if League is in China, it looks like a packed house as well. If, you know when Overwatch was in China, they they were filling out huge stadiums too. So I find it difficult to get a sense of scale with these kind of things of, like, you know, what is is one game more popular in the zeitgeist than the other? Obviously, there's, like, a time difference. You know, Overwatch League was years ago.

但是嗯。在中国，Valorant的整体热度如何？不仅仅局限于你们看到的赛事这个小圈子，更广泛地说？

But Mhmm. Where like, what is what is the the the pulse of Valorant within China more, like, generally outside of just the little bubble of the event that you see?

是的。我认为如果你看这款FPS游戏现在有多火，它在中国目前是第一的FPS游戏。虽然我觉得相比英雄联盟还有些不足或落后，但与其他任何FPS游戏相比，它已经远远超过了它们。

Yeah. I I think if you are looking at how popular that this FPS game is right, It's it is in China now. It is the number one FPS game in China right now. It is still, like I I think it's still some kind of lacking or behind, like, if we compare it to leagues. But if we come if we compare it to any other FPS title in China, it is already surpassed them by a far range.

因为这是一款新游戏，吸引了新的普通玩家，而且我认为腾讯和TJ Sports所做的确实是在很好地支持它。基本上，我认为这是新一代在玩的游戏。如果你去中国的网吧，比如我昨天或前天刚去的重庆的网吧，无论你去上海还是重庆，或者其他城市，甚至是二三线城市，你会看到很多人都在玩Valorant。这些人你可能会以为他们会玩穿越火线或其他FPS游戏，但现在他们转向了这款更新颖的游戏。

Like, because it is a new game, it attracts new general people, and because I I think, like, whatever Tencent and TJ Sports do is really trying to support it well. So, basically speaking, I think this is this is the game that the new that the new generation is playing. And if you go to PCBounce I I actually go to PCBounce in Chongqing yesterday or or the day before yesterday because I just got back. If you go to PCBL right right now in China, whatever you go to, you go to a PCBL in Shanghai or you go to PCBL in Chongqing or any other, like, cities, maybe even cities that is really, you know, know, in the tier two or tier three cities, You can see a lot of people are just playing Valorant. Who who used to who you you will think that they should they should play maybe Crossfire, maybe other other FPS titles, but not the Switched because this game is newer.

这款游戏更新鲜，而且你有朋友在玩。我认为这是最重要的，因为虽然我们总是想比较这款游戏是否是中国第一的游戏，但更重要的是与其他FPS游戏相比，比如《魔兽世界》在中国表现很好。总有新的竞争者出现，说实话，我之前和安娜聊过一点。

This is this this game is fresher, and you have friends who's playing it. And I think that is the most important thing if because, yes, compare always, we want to compare if if this game is the number one game in China, but more importantly, you compare it to other FPS titles, which is I think I think Wow is really doing good doing good in China. There are always more competitors coming. Like, to be honest, I I talked to Anna and yeah. I talked to Anna a little bit before.

他们确实非常关心《三角洲部队》和其他类似的游戏，因为这些游戏现在也在中国崭露头角。

Like, they kind of really I shouldn't say worrying, but they do care a lot more about, titles like Delta Force and other other titles because these titles are also popping up in China right now.

对。

Right.

但总的来说，如果你想找一款既有良好的电竞生态系统，本身核心玩法也很棒的游戏，我认为《Valorant》是一个必玩的游戏。是的。

But generally speaking, if you want to find a title that is good with good esports ecosystem and the the the core play of it of it itself is also very good, I think Barrens is a game that you need to that it it is a go to game. Yeah.

是的。你们两个Sliggy Chubbring，你们看了手机表演赛吗？

Yeah. Did you two Sliggy Chubbring, did you see the the mobile show match?

只看了一些片段，没来得及看直播。

Only caught, like, clips of it. I didn't get to, like, watch it live.

我回去看了一些。天啊，真是娱乐性十足。

I went back and watched some. God, it's it's good entertainment, man.

哦，真的吗？这娱乐性不错。

Oh, really? It's good entertainment.

非常有趣。确实。

It's very entertaining. Yeah.

娱乐性很强。

It's very entertaining.

就像，如果你从那个角度去看——因为很难摆脱那种思维定式，我在看职业《Valorant》比赛时，总期待它是键鼠操作水准。嗯。然后如果你忘记自己看的是手机端比赛，这些人用手机能打成这样其实很厉害。但如果你一时忘记，期待他们像用键鼠那样操作，天啊，简直喜剧效果拉满。太有喜剧感了。

Like, if, like, if you come at it from the perspective of, like, you're because it's hard to get out the headspace of I'm watching pro Valorant and expecting it to be, like, mouse and keyboard level. Mhmm. And then if you if you forget that you're watching on a mobile like, it's impressive that these people are doing it on mobile. But if you forget for a moment and you expect them to be playing like mouse and keyboard, god, it's comedy as well. It's it's such comedy.

是啊。所以我觉得

Yeah. So I just think

这差别太大了。

it's so different.

这非常适合表演赛场景，因为表演赛不需要太严肃。它只是总决赛前的开胃菜。而且我觉得当你想找些KOL、网红，或者不太熟悉这游戏的人参与时，手机端可能更适合表演赛。没错，娱乐性确实很强。

It is very it is a good scene for, like especially for show match, because for show match, you don't want it to be very serious. It's just a teaser for the for the incoming grand final. And, yes, I think it is very good when you want to have something like you want to have some KOLs, you want to have some influencers, maybe people who is not really that into this title. I think maybe it is even better for show match when you when you come to mobile. So, yes, I think it is very entertaining.

整个游戏设计就是让时长更短，让你不那么容易心态爆炸。因为玩PC版《Valorant》很容易心态崩，但手游版比PC版短很多，所以那种挫败感会减轻。

And the entire game is designed to become shorter and to make you feel, like, less tilted, somewhat, something like something like that. Yeah. Because everyone play play Valve is very easily tilted. But when you play mobile, because it is way shorter than normal Valve game on on PC, so you will feel less this kind of depression feeling. So yeah.

所以我觉得这游戏就是为了娱乐，为了吸引新人，特别是那些整天玩手机不碰PC的人。

So I think this game is designed to, you know, to to to entertain, to treat more with the new guys, especially those who spend more time on phones instead of PC.

我是说，没错，这就是游戏未来趋势——虽然我实在不愿承认。我真的很喜欢PC游戏，喜欢那种技术含量。但...手游市场...

I mean, yeah, it is it is the future of gaming as much as as much as I don't wanna open my necks. I I really like the PC gaming. I like the skill aspect of that, but Yeah. The gaming at

大家都好吗，Sliggy？

all, Sliggy?

不，老兄。不。不。我我玩过

No, man. No. No. I I played

你压根不是个有趣的玩家。

You're not a fun gamer at all.

不。我我大概十年前玩过十分钟的《糖果粉碎传奇》，就那样了，伙计。

No. I I played Candy Crush for about ten minutes, like, ten years ago, something like that. That was about it, mate.

去下载《赛马娘》吧。我真心推荐。

Download yourself Uma Musume. I'm telling you.

不了，兄弟。我的观众一直想忽悠我玩这个。

No, dude. My chat keep bacon keeps on trying to make me play this.

没戏的，老兄。绝对没戏。

It's not happening, dude. Not happening.

我就是不爱玩手游。这真的不适合我。

I'm just not a mobile gamer. This doesn't I just don't like it.

那也是因为你从不出门啊，兄弟。确实。

That's because you never go outside your house, though, as well, man. Like Yeah.

除非你在路上。是啊。

When you're on the move. Yeah.

我最终确实玩了不少手游，主要因为我在飞机上、公交上之类的地方，手机就在手边，何乐而不为呢？

I've ended up yeah. Exactly. Like, I've ended up playing quite a bit of mobile games just because I I'm on a flight or, like, I'm on a bus or something, and I'm, you know, I've got my phone with me. So why not?

说实话，如果我出门更频繁的话，我想我能理解。对普通人来说，手游体验应该挺不错的。

Yeah. Honestly, if I left my house more, think, yeah, I think I could understand it. For the average person, probably pretty good.

对于那些不常出门的普通人来说

For the average person who isn't

被困在家里的人。

trapped inside their home.

没错。

Yeah.

好了，咱们聊聊中国季后赛期间——不仅是总决赛——那些高光时刻吧。哔哩哔哩最终夺冠了，哇哦。

Alright. Let's let's talk about some of the, like, pro valum that was going on, though, in the in the grand finals. Well, not just the grand finals, but across the whole of the China playoffs. Bilibili, walk away with the win. Oh.

简单回顾整个赛程：我们在季后赛进行到约三分之二时就已确定中国赛区四强名单。AG和天禄被淘汰后，剩下就是排名问题了。这些战队大家应该都熟悉，毕竟都至少参加过国际赛事——虽然不全是完整阵容的大师赛。

And I mean, just as a, like, broad stage recap, we did know the four teams in China, like, about two thirds of the way through the playoffs, something like that. We knew which four teams were gonna be able to to go after AG and Ty Lu ended up getting eliminated. And then it's just like the order of them. I think most people will be familiar because they've all been to an event at least before, not with the full masters. Yeah.

哔哩哔哩、上海龙之队DRG、众所周知的EDG，还有XLG。我开门见山问个问题：挑战Sliggy的乐观预测。中国战队几乎总能有所作为——但近五届赛事中，他们大概有三次能进前三，这有点像抛硬币看运气。

Know, Bilibili, you got Dragon Ranger Gaming, DRG who are in Shanghai. You got EDG, obviously, people know those, and XLG as well. Here's my question off the rip, the challenge Sliggy's positivity. China almost always does something. It's like well, maybe it's like a bit of it's like a bit of a coin flip if China ends up making, like, a top three.

大概就是这样

Over the last, like, five events, something like that, I think they've done it three times

嗯，我也这么认为。

Yeah. I think.

对，对。

Yeah. Yeah.

所以确实。确实。就像，这这还挺不错的。差不多有超过五成的几率能登上领奖台，这跟我们通常认为的——作为一个较新的赛区可能实力较弱之类的印象相比，简直不可思议。那么Sliggy，他们在中国赛区会造成怎样的冲击？

So Yeah. Yeah. So, like, it's it's pretty decent. It's, like, better than fifty fifty that they're gonna make a podium finish, which is nuts compared to the way that we tend to to think about about it being, like, a a newer region, maybe a weaker region, something like that. So Sliggy, what kind of damage are they gonna do in China?

等等，抱歉。什么...

Okay. I'm sorry. What kind

他们在巴黎会造成怎样的冲击？

of damage are they gonna do in in Paris?

在巴黎啊。好的。我我想先说一下，我看了季后赛。我看了Xilai对阵All Gamers的比赛，也看了Tai Lu对战Bilibili。

In Paris. Okay. I I would like to first say that I was watching the playoffs. I I watched Xilai against all gamers. I watched Tai Lu against Bilibili.

看完之后对我的精神伤害太大了，我就想，剩下的季后赛我不看了，回头补录像吧。每张地图开局两回合内，我就能看出谁会赢。特别是Zilai打All Gamers那场——All Gamers开局两回合就表现得像完全迷失方向，然后G...

And then and then after watching that, it had done so much damage to me mentally that I was just like, I'm I'm not watching the rest rest of this playoffs. I'll, like, catch up on VODs or something. I went into every single map, and every single map, I could tell within the first two rounds who was gonna win at. There was, like, such a especially especially the Zilai all gamers game. Like, all games looked so lost on the scent within the first two rounds, then G.

Lai在冰港地图第一回合就懵了，到了莲花古城All Gamers也显得手足无措。我当时就想：天，这又是那种熟悉的感觉——懂地图的人就知道胜负已定。

Lai looked lost on icebox on the fast round, and then it came to Lotus and all games looked lost as well. And I was just like, oh, man. It's gonna be one of these things where it's just like, if you know the maps, you know who's gonna win.

后来我稍微看了看...

Then then I kinda looked at

今天的录像，或许我该坚持看完的，至少DRG和Bilibili的战术地图看起来还不错。他们是最让我有信心的队伍。如果非要押注一支队伍，我选Bilibili。老实说，其他三队以目前状态很难有太大作为。或许EDG还有希望，因为他们开始重用Kankang的夜戮。

the VODs today, and I probably should have stuck with it because at least, like, DRG and Bilibili seem to have pretty decent maples. So they're the kind of ones that are making me feel the most confident. If I had go for one team, it's gotta be Bilibili. I don't think the other three with how they're playing is gonna have too much success, to be honest. Maybe maybe EDG because they started to lean on Kankang, Yoru.

对，Kankang。我觉得如果这个战术持续进步——也确实在进步——那他们或许真有机会。

Yeah. Kankang. I I think if that if that keeps on improving and and it it's improved, then I think that that it will like, they could maybe do it.

好的。我只是想确认一下你是持积极还是消极态度。我们很少遇到Sliggy这种情况。

Alright. I I just wanted to get a sample of whether you're positive or negative. It's rare that we get a Sliggy

我不...我不这么认为

I don't I don't think

我从未

I've ever

如此消极过。

so negative.

我从没听过Sliggy需要频繁说'像是'这类词，这么努力地

I don't think I've ever heard Sliggy have to say the word like so much trying

试图搞清楚

to figure out what

接下来该说什么。哦，老兄。

to say next. Oh, dude.

是啊。我我

Yeah. I I

因为第一天实在太漫长了。我当时想，好吧，先从中国开始，给自己打打气。结果我们只打了两到六张地图，第一轮结束后我就知道谁赢了。所以我当时就不想继续看下去了。后来我又想...

because it was it was such a long day, the first day as well. So I was like, right, let's start off with China, make myself feel good about this, like and I and we just had two to six maps, and I was like, I I know who's won after the first round. So I was like, this is so I just didn't wanna watch him. And then I was like, well

不过还是先从哔哩哔哩开始吧。从最终夺冠的这支队伍说起。可以说他们是这个阶段中国赛区表现最出色的队伍，自从版本更新后就是如此。但他们打法很狂野，是支难缠的队伍。

Let let let's start with Bilibili, though. Let's start let's start with the team that ended up winning the entire thing. This team has looked I would say they have looked like the best team in China for the whole of this stage, I think, since the patch change. But they are a wild team. Like, they're a scrappy team.

我觉得他们是支观赏性很强的队伍，伙计。

They're a I think they're a fun team to watch, man.

他们绝对是支有趣的队伍。

They're definitely a fun team.

我超爱这点。其实我很想听听艾伦的看法，因为我早年就喜欢哔哩哔哩战队。记得吗？当大家刚开始关注他们时，他们击败了NRG，那种兴奋感——Wisey带着裁判满场飞，所有人都为之疯狂。但过去一年半里，他们花了太多时间学习标准化的《无畏契约》打法。

I love that. I think for me and I would actually love to hear Alan's opinion on this because I used to like Bilibili, like, way back in the day. Right? When people were just finding out about them, and then they go, you know, they take down NRG, and it's exciting, and Wisey's flying around with the judge, and everyone buys into that. And then the past year and a half, I they spent so much time on trying to, like, learn standard Valorant, if that makes sense.

懂吧？就是那些套路化默认战术，结果他们变得无聊了。关键是他们也没把套路玩到顶尖水平——既无聊又不够强。

Right? Like meta and, you know, defaults that I they got boring. And but they weren't the best at it either. You know, they got boring, but they weren't the best at being boring. Right.

所以他们

So they

不是G2那样的强队。所以我有点失望。但这次赛事阶段，我感觉他们找到了平衡点——时而狂野激进，同时保持地图理解。我想知道中国粉丝或解说是否也这么看这赛季的BLG？

weren't g two. So then I kinda lost faith. And then this stage, I feel like they had a nice mix of that. Like, sometimes they were getting, you know, wild and aggressive, and then they still understood the maps. And I wanna know if the kind of Chinese fans or the Chinese casters feel the same way about Bilibili this stage two?

因为我超爱看到BLG重现这种风格。

Because I loved seeing that kinda come back for BLG.

没错。他们确实改变很大。如果把现在的BLG和2023年中国赛区的BLG对比，完全是两支队伍。我认为关键因素有两个——准确说是两个人的功劳。

Yeah. I I do think that they changed that very much. If we compare it if you compare this this version of BLG to, like, 2023, like, Chinese BLG. It is very different. Like, I think, basically speaking, two factors actually, two people that are most like who should be, like, credit for this thing.

首先是教练Bao（点头）。我觉得他是位伟大的教练，真正重塑了战队。就像你说的，他让队伍不再打基础款《无畏契约》。

The first is Bao. Mhmm. I think Bael is the great coach. Like, he really changed his team. He's trying to make this team, like, you know, just like you said, no basic Valorant.

队员们既清楚该打什么战术，又没有被条条框框束缚——不是教科书式的死板打法。

Like, you know what to play. You know what what you should play. But at but at the same time, it really didn't, like, cut all the ropes. It it didn't really, like, everyone just have to play as a textbook. No.

房间依然保持原样。所以我认为Baio这些年来做得非常出色。自从他加入后，BLG仿佛蜕变成了一台截然不同的机器。另一位值得称赞的是NEF，我认为他可以说是目前中国最优秀的战术指挥（IGL），因为他确实在掌控这支队伍方面做得极为出色。老实说，这支队伍的核心成员始终未变。

It still have let the room been there. So I think Baio is doing a very good job throughout the years. Like, after he came after he came in, I think BLG changed into a very different very different machine. And another people that need to be credited on is NEF, who is, I think, the arguably the best IGL in China right now because NEF is really doing a great job into controlling this team. This team if you to be honest, the core of this team didn't change.

关键人物是wisey和k nite。还有Lucia和Abelios等新人的加入，他们时而表现惊艳，时而自乱阵脚。这时候就需要一位优秀的战术指挥来统筹全局。我认为NEF做得非常出色——我观察到他有80%的时间都保持着惊人的冷静与条理，对局势洞若观火。

It's it's it's it's wisey. It is wisey and and and and k nite. And there are other other new guys coming in, Lucia and the Abelios coming in with really, like some sometimes could be could be really, like, powerful, and sometimes they would just destroy themselves. But you you need you need you need very good IGL to control all these things and combine them together. And I think NEF is doing a really good job because I can see that NEF is the I I would say, like, 80% of his time is really calm, really organized, and they really know what is really going on.

与此同时，他的个人能力极其强悍，堪称当前中国最顶尖的击杀输出（KO）和最强开团手之一。更难得的是他中英双语流利，这种复合型人才在战队中实属凤毛麟角。正是这两位——战术指挥和教练——将BLG从依赖YZ的纯枪男队，蜕变为能成大事的强队。

And at the same time, he's really freaking well, and he's arguably the best KO and one of the best initiators in China right now. And if you combine all these things together, and he can speak Chinese and and English at the same time, And it is very valuable. It is rare. Like, you could have this person in the team. So, yeah, I think these two guys, you know, IGLs and coach, they are really doing a great job into improving BLG from just a fragging team, you know, just revolving around YZ, the team that really could do something big.

他们发生了质的蜕变，成为更成熟的战队。这就是为什么能在总决赛获胜——他们的珊瑚地图此前从未练习过，被迫作为诱饵图却一举取胜，最终锁定胜局。事情就这么简单。

I think, like, they changed a lot. They become a more mature team, and that's why they they can win this grand final because their corral has never been played, like, before the grand final. And they have forced to be bait on this map, but they win this map, they win the whole thing. It is very simple like that.

确实。确实。

Yeah. Yeah.

总决赛中可以看到，这简直就是...该怎么形容？像一支经验老道的成熟战队对阵尚不知自身潜力的队伍，最终三比一取胜。我认为这就是DLG与DRG的本质差距。

During the during the grand final, you can see it is very it is how to say it? It is very classic, like, an experienced team, a mature team versus a team that still don't know how far they can go and how how deep they can go, and then it is three one. Yeah. I I think, basically, that's the difference between DLG and DRG.

你提到个关键点——就我观察，他们的战术指挥堪称中国赛区当前最佳。看他们在《遗迹》地图的防守，每次减员后都会主动控中或压A大，进攻性极强。最后腐蚀地图的战术更值得细品...

I think you touched on a really good point, which is the I think the IGLing is the best from what I can see in the in the moment in terms of China. I'm I look at their ascent. I I think they have the most proactive defense. Like, every time they lose someone, they're very proactive over towards middle or over towards a main, like to fight a lot. And then cut, you should go to corrode on the final.

围绕22号位的打法让我印象深刻——这支战队让我想起Navi，有终极技能就必打配合。但他们的某些战术配合简直疯狂，腐蚀地图那波太惊艳了。

Just play around 22 because I was I was watching this team and I was like, are they? They remind me a little bit of like Navi. Like as soon as they have an ult, they'll they'll do a set strap with it. But some of the set straps they're doing are crazy. This one on Corrode was awesome.

经济局时用欧门大招深压B点，逼防守方搜点，同时幽影开大突袭包点，配两把霰弹枪+判官。看着他们的装备你会疑惑：这能行？但战术设计确实精妙。

They have like Omen ult. It's a low buy. They got Omen ult and they got Viper pet. And they omen alt deep deep over towards b so that the rotator or, like, the person on b has to go find the omen. And then they run into the site with the viper alt, and they have a two buckies and a judge.

不过观察下来，我对整个赛区的宏观战术有些担忧，尤其是《莲华古城》这类地图——目前只有少数战队真正掌握其精髓。

Like, you look at the buy and you're like, what an arf are they trying to do here? Like, the plans are decent. Like, the plans are good. And I think I think when I watch them and I worry a bit for just the general macro of this region, especially on certain maps like Lotus. I think that only a few teams have Lotus down.

但我看B站时，感觉他们对整个地图的宏观理解简直是最棒的。兄弟，看看这轮进攻，Bucky Bucky法官，太疯狂了。Omen在银行开大，把人引向B点。

But I I watch Bilibili, and I feel like they have, like, the just the best overall macro understanding of, like, the whole maps. But, dude, this round like, look at this round on attack. Bucky Bucky judge. It's so crazy. Omen ults at the bank, draws a person over towards b away.

他们直接进B点，整个计划就是如果能拿首杀，就再放大招。这个大招很安全，从B点主路放，然后他可以躲在那里，其他人进去保护侧翼。这轮打得漂亮，他们点子真不错。

They go into b itself, and it's just a whole plan of if they can get the first kill, then we're gonna get the ult down again. The ult is pretty safe. You do it from b main, And then so he can tuck there, everyone else can go in and protect the spank. It's a sick round. They got, like they got good ideas.

甚至基础战术也很扎实。他们在防守时像在Ascent地图那样全程沟通，这让我想起Navi战队，真的特别像Navi。就像我们说保持简单。

And even just, like, basic ideas. They they do, like, comms all on ascent on defense and stuff like that. They're very it's just it reminds me of Navi. It really does just remind me of Navi. Just like we have this all let's just keep it simple.

我们不需要搞太花哨的，就用这个大招，按这个打。基本都是Scent或者临场发挥，像这轮我觉得更多是临场应变。

We're down to doing anything too flashy. We use this all. We do this. And it's just like a bunch of either scent or maybe on the fly. Like this one, I imagine, is more on the fly.

但看起来真酷，他们在创新战术。想想这还是他们一直禁选的地图。

But it's cool to watch. Like, they're they're coming up with new stuff. And to think that this is a map that they've been banning.

是啊，他们第一次打这张图。对，之前一直禁选的。

Yeah. That they were playing for the first time. Yeah. Were banning.

太疯狂了。这说明他是临场想出这些战术的，很厉害。或者可能是教练想到的，觉得我们可以试试这种打法。

That's crazy. So that makes you think this is, him on the fly just kinda coming up with that stuff, and that's cool. Or, like, the maybe the coach just thought, like, if we we can try and do this kind of stuff.

没错。我觉得在很多经济局也适用，比如你拿把刺针之类的枪，照样能

Yeah. I mean, I think it works on a lot of lie buy rounds as well because, like, you say you've got a stinger or something like that. You're still gonna be able

执行

to pull

那样的战术。

off a a strut like that, though.

是的，我是。

Yeah. I am.

不过你提到的Lotus点确实很好，因为我觉得那是我看到这支队伍身份转变最明显的地图。他们一直在积极适应，赢了很多场，而且打的也是我认为非常标准的阵容。而以前，我对他们的印象是——虽然不是完全另类的阵容，但有点古怪。比如我记得看他们对阵NRG时的Bind图，那可是经典之战。

The the Lotus point you bring up, though, is a good one because I think that that is the map where I see the change in identity for this team maybe the most. Because they've been leaning into a lot of it. They've been winning a lot of it, and they've also been playing what I would consider to be, like, a very standard composition. Whereas before, the identity ability that I thought of was, like, I guess not completely out there comps, but, like, slightly wacky comps and a very like, I remember watching their bind when they played against NRG. I mean, famously.

他们以前会疯狂赌点，让对手措手不及。而现在这支队伍更少依赖赌博式胜利，我不认为他们是靠奇招爆冷的队伍了。以前可能是，但现在更像是EDG或多伦多的Wolves，靠实力而非出其不意取胜。

And they're, like, gamble stacking a ton and really throwing people off. Whereas I feel like this version of the team is playing a lot more a lot less to gamble the wins. Like, I don't think they're an upset team in the sense that they are going to patch people off with weirdness. Whereas I think that they were that before. I think they're more along the lines of like like an EDG or like a Wolves maybe even at Toronto, where they can win on their own merit rather than the merit of just catching other people off.

从被低估的角度看，他们或许仍是黑马。但我不认为他们会只是昙花一现地赢几场就消失。他们的表现应该会相当稳定，无论对手强弱。

There might still be an upset team in the sense that, like, we underrate them compared to the people that they beat. But I don't think they'll I don't think they're an upset team in the sense that they will just be good for, like, a couple fluky wins and then disappear. I think they're probably gonna have, like, fairly consistent performances from one match to another, whether or not that's better or worse than their opponents. Yeah.

我认为BLG至少在赛区展现了非常稳定的表现。第一阶段和第二阶段都进了总决赛，回顾开赛期，这也是他们第三次登上领奖台了。

And I I think BLG has shown really at least, very consistent performance in the region. Like Yeah. They entered the grand final for twice, stage one, stage two. And if you're looking back into kickoff, that's yeah. The third they they also have the podium.

虽然我不会称这是BLG的时代——毕竟这是他们首次夺冠，但他们有潜力统治这个赛区，只要继续保持甚至巩固这种表现。

So I think BLG I wouldn't call this as the era for BLG because this is this is their first champs. But, still, I think BLG have the potential to rule this region if they can continue to repeat their performance and even more to solidify it.

但你是否同意这感觉像是中国赛区的新时代？我不是说这是BLG的时代，但EDG的时代确实结束了——基本上全年都是如此，除了开赛期。

Yeah. Would you agree, though, that this feels like a new era for China? Because I think overall for the region, I'm not saying that it's Billy Billy's era, but it's it's not EDG's era anymore. And that's that's the whole year, basically. I mean, I guess a kickoff.

对吧？开赛期EDG看起来还是最强战队。

Right? Kickoff, EDG still look like the the best team.

不过确实，

But yeah,

整体来看，这一年的主题是赛区其他队伍能够...

as a year overall, it's been defined more by the rest of the region being able to

设置好了。

set up.

是啊。正在迎头赶上，同时也得益于EDG目前状态有些混乱。但没错，这确实是首次非EDG战队夺冠。XLG，嗯。

Yeah. Catching up and also benefiting from the fact that EDG are in a bit of a mess right now too. But Yeah. It definitely like, this is the first time that non EDG teams have won. XLG Mhmm.

哔哩哔哩。嗯。DRG重回前列就像他们早前那样，明显感觉格局开放多了。这不再像是单一战队统治的赛区了。

Bilibili. Mhmm. DRGs back up there like they were earlier definitely feels a lot more open. It doesn't feel like a one team region.

对，感觉像是开放纪元。就像过去某个战队统治一切的时代，每次赛事每个冠军，即便所有条件都不利——就像EDG以前也有艰难时刻，我们见过，但这次不同。

Yeah. It feels like an open era. Like, well, you have an era when one team just ruled everything when every events and every tournament, even when all are seems against them. Like, before when EDG EDG have tough times before. Like, we saw, no.

这次他们会输掉赛事，这次中国将迎来新冠军。但以前他们都否认这点，而2025年第一阶段赛事已经表明：没人能永远统治这个赛区。第二阶段更是证实了这点，现在大家都能看到，所有队伍都在追赶。

This is the time they they will lose an event. This is the time that we will have a new champions coming up in China. But, no, they they denied it all before, but in 2025, it is obviously I think stage one is kind of a statement that, no, you can't rule this region, like, forever. Like, and stage two just confirm it. Just we can see that, no, it is everyone is catching up.

你们曾经有优势，但现在优势基本消失了。你们和其他战队水平相当，甚至可能不如某些队伍。比较当前BDG的表现，我认为他们比BLG差很多，可能也不如DRG，或许和XLG差不多。最终结果说明了这点。你可以归咎于阵容调整或版本变动。

You you used to have advantage, but now the advantage is basically gone. You have you you have basically the same level with the others, if not even worse than some teams. If you compare the current form of BDG, they perform, like, I think a lot worse than BLG and some worse maybe than DRG, and and and maybe that comparable to XLG. That is what the final results tells us. Because I think you you can say that can blame on, like, some roster shuffle or patch or whatever.

但归根结底，EDG在中国的统治地位已经终结。我不认为也不期待它会突然回归。不会出现EDG时代卷土重来，明年包揽三个阶段冠军的情况。其他战队的进步意味着现在很多队伍都有能力触及奖杯。

But in the end, I think EDG's dominance in China is is is gone. And I don't think and I don't expect this to it to come back. Like, suddenly, the era of EDG just coming back, We will have the EG win all three champions next year for kickoff of this stage one, stage two. I don't think it will happen at all. I think other teams catching up, and it will means that a lot of teams will have the ability to touch the trophy right now.

是啊，我都听腻了。

Yeah. I can get bored of that.

哦，请继续。

Oh, go ahead.

我正想说，尽管Wolves没晋级冠军赛，但他们在多伦多的表现给了很多战队信心。特别是当你击败Wolves时——他们最终没进前四，理论上不算顶尖队伍。

I was gonna say, also, I feel like even though wolves don't qualify to champs, just them doing what they did at Toronto just gives so much belief to a lot of these teams as well. Yeah. Because because especially if you're beating like, you're beating out wolf. They don't make it. So in theory, they're, like, not top four teams at the end.

就像，如果他们那样做了，而他们的水平在你眼中并不与你相当，那么你确实可以带着能一路高歌猛进的信念进入冠军赛。通常我观察这些中国战队时，他们一般有两张地图能对抗大多数队伍，其他地图则稍逊。但这次的四支队伍，可能除了Xi'Lai，一旦去掉冰盒地图，他们表现会更好些。实际上，他们的地图池并不算差，反而更广更深，让人更难通过禁用策略针对。反观Trace战队过去的表现，他们总是局限于那两三张主力地图。

Like, if they did that and they weren't on the same level as you as how you would view it, like, you can really do go into champs believing you can go on, a giant run. And I think normally when I watch these Chinese teams, they they normally have, like, two maps where they can take most of the teams, and then they have other maps. But, actually, with these four, maybe not so much Xi'Lai, but maybe once you take icebox out, they'll be a bit better. Actually, think the map pulls aren't too bad, so they kind of have more of a more of a just a bigger map pull to actually I don't know. It'd be harder to veto against, whereas I look at, like, Trace in the past, there's there's always been, like, a two two map kinda team stuff.

这让我相信其他战队在地图禁用阶段会面临更大挑战。

So that kinda gives me some faith that teams will struggle more in, like, map veto wise of how to beat them.

Trace战队连自己擅长的地图都不肯选。

Trace also refused to play the maps that they were good at.

他们明明擅长那些地图。这就是问题所在。

They were good at. That's the event, so that's

那是另一回事。我们接着聊聊龙之怒电竞DRG吧。我之所以要提这个，是因为Plat Chat有个著名片段——当时我们给今年战队排名时，我坚持认为DRG被高估了，顶多算个中游FTA队伍。现在他们可是亚军战队了。

that's different. Let let's move on to talking about Dragon Reggie Gaming, though, DRG. Now, here's why I wanna intro this. There's a famous clip from Plat Chat of us ranking the teams for this year where I was claiming that DRG was overrated as a mid FTA team. That's aged second place team.

哈，这预测简直馊得像隔夜牛奶。

Oh, it's aged like milk, man. Age like milk.

老兄，你今年状态火热啊。

Dude, you're really on fire this year.

没错，我看你今年真是火力全开。

Yeah. I'm like, gonna see you stepped it up this year.

令人印象深刻。

It's impressive.

要我说，异端战队可能连冠军赛都进不了——那可就真是锦上添花了，对吧？不过...

Chance that I mean, there's a chance that heretics don't even go to champs as well, and that's I mean, that that would just be the cherry on the cake, wouldn't it? But this

我的天啊。

f my god.

这支队伍真的进步很大，我是说，AG和Ty Loo年初还在F级垫底，但赛季末居然打进了季后赛。

This team has made a lot of I mean, AG and Ty Loo were down in the f tier at the beginning of the year, but then they made playoffs towards the end as well.

所以说

So that's

太疯狂了。

a crazy one.

确实。

Yeah.

不过我觉得我们对其他队伍的评级还算准确。比如Boom在第二阶段彻底拉胯，Apex和Fury表现极差。XLG我当时投票让他们排更高些，所以他们掉到D级可不能怪我。

But I think we were kind of on the money with some of the others. Like, Boom did shit the bed in stage two. Apex and Fury were really bad. XLG, I was voting to go higher up, I think. So I'm not gonna take the blame for them being in the d tier.

我...我确实

I I do

通常想对很多这种情况...只要看看

generally want to with a lot of these. Look at just look

Liquid是C级

Liquid is c

Liquid啊兄弟，没错。

Liquid, bro. Yeah.

是啊，确实挺难看的。Shyell是唯一知道Liquid真相的人。就是...就是...

Yeah. Were pretty ugly. Shyell was the only one who knew the truth about Liquid. That's that's

我是说，我在B级联赛为他们打过比赛，但显然你比Rose强。我记得这场，我们被1v翻盘了。我记得

I mean, I I fought for them in b tier, but apparently, you over Rose. I remember this one. We got we got 1v freed. I remember

这场我记得很清楚。你1v翻盘了我们，差不多五支队伍从B级掉到C级。

this one well. You 1v freed us for, like, five teams to go from b to c.

没错，这很公平。但DRG那个案例我觉得特别有意思，因为我们做完视频后他们做了很多调整。我记得当时不看好他们的一个原因是——他们虽然获得了上海站资格，但在上海站毫无建树。整个赛区在上海站都打得很糟糕。

Yeah. That's fair enough. But the the DRG one is, I think, particularly interesting because they did make a lot of changes since we did the video, and they were I remember one of the reasons why I was low on them is because they they had turned so they'd qualified for Shanghai. They hadn't done anything at Shanghai. I mean, the whole region played really poorly at Shanghai Yeah.

这确实遗憾。希望冠军赛在上海再办时别重蹈覆辙。但休赛期的DRG输给所有队伍。虽然只是休赛期赛事无关紧要，但他们今年的阵容变动从外部看产生了巨大影响，特别是五月份引进Ackerman。

Which is unfortunate. Hopefully, that doesn't happen again for champs when it's there again. But the then DRG in the off season was losing to everybody. And and I know it's just off season events, so it doesn't matter too much. But the roster moves that they've made this year have made, from the outside, a huge difference, especially bringing in Ackerman in, like, May.

我们后来推测他来自青训队——因为在VLR等西方网站上查不到他的历史记录，当时我们还纳闷这人难道是凭空冒出来的？现在知道他是青训出身，但他给队伍带来的改变太大了。

He I think we we've kind of pieced together that he came from the academy roster because it looked like when we looked at him on, like, VLR and stuff like that on the the western websites, there was just no history for the guy. So we were like, did he just materialize out of thin air? We didn't know what had happened or what and where he'd come from. But, yeah, we figured out that he was from, like, the Academy roster. But he's made such a difference to this team too.

作为一个缺乏顶级联赛经验的选手，他的决策力和侵略性令人印象深刻。他和Vukashu这个顶级枪男形成了完美组合。不过你也认同DRG今年取得了显著成长吧？

Like, he's so he's so decisive and aggressive for somebody without as much tier one experience that I've been I've been very impressed. Like, I think that it's made a nice one two punch for this team having him and then obviously, Vukashu being the huge fragger that he always is. But would you agree that DRG have made, like, significant growth throughout this year?

当然。如果回顾第一阶段——毕竟有两个晋升名额对吧？当时XALG统治赛场时，大家都觉得DRG可以直接准备晋升赛了，根本没法与XCLG的地位相提并论。所有人都认定XCLG会进冠军赛。

Yeah. Of course. Like, if we if we if I rolled back to stage one, like, because there are two ascension team. Right? Well, you have you have one.

现在结果出来了：XCLG确实进了冠军赛，但DRG拿到了更高种子位。这简直是灰姑娘式的逆袭。而且DRG非常独特——所有晋级冠军赛的队伍都会玩Viper，就他们完全不用。

You have to have one, like, go to the ascensions. At least one go to the ascensions to to better with the other teams. And back in into stage one, when x ALG crowned the whole thing, everyone saw that, DRG, you can you can just you can just prepare for ascension now because there's no way that's there's no way that you can, like, compare to XCLG's status or or just everything. And XCLG will definitely go to champions, but would not and now we see the results. Yes.

（补充）他们是一支完全不同的队伍。

XCLG goes to champs, but DRG with the higher seeds. So I think it's a very cine Cinderella's Cinderella run. And, also, the DRG is very it's a very different team. There is no I I don't think there is any team that will go to champs that don't play Viper. They use zero Viper.

回顾他们的历史，你会发现他们在第二阶段完全没使用过蝰蛇。无论打什么地图，他们都不用蝰蛇——要知道蝰蛇在中国赛区当前有53%的选用率，超过半数。这是中国第三受欢迎的特工，但他们整个阶段包括常规赛和季后赛都没用过一次。他们就是不用，从始至终都没用过，却依然能走这么远。

If you're looking back to their history, they use zero Viper during stage two. Whichever map that they go, they don't use Viper, which I think Viper has 53% of pick rate in China right now, like, over and a half. It's it's not it's the third popular agent in China, but they don't use single Viper during the whole stage, including their regular matches and the playoffs. They just don't use it. They don't ever use it, but still they go this far.

就像，呃，

Like Well,

他们还经常选用克洛娃，坚持双烟阵容。没错，他们打克洛娃体系，这确实...挺奇怪的。

they they play a lot of Clove as well. They still play Double Smoke. Yeah. They play Clove comps, which is Yeah. So strange.

是啊，他们很另类，但同时又感觉这种风格特别适合他们。就像你说的阿克曼，他几乎没有一级联赛经验，休赛期表现也很糟糕。

Yeah. They they are so strange, but at the same time, it's it seems to me that it fits them so well. Like, you have Ackerman, just like you said. He don't have much tier one experience. He he actually performed so bad during the off season.

当时所有人都觉得这是个错误决定，会彻底毁掉DRG战队。但我觉得Nathan教练做得很好，因为他是那种允许选手使用最顺手特工的教练。所以阿克曼基本上只玩两个英雄：克洛夫和...我想是尼尔吧，就这两个。

Like, everyone thinks this is a bad move. This is the move that will destroy DRG as a whole. But then I think Nathan did is doing really good because he's he's the kind of he's the kind of coach that will just, you know, let the players to to play whatever comfortable he is on. And so Ackerman basically play to play play two heroes, Klav and, I I I think, Niall. Basically, it's two heroes.

极少情况下他会选赛菲尔。我认为Nathan为这支队伍找到了解决方案：让缺乏经验的年轻选手专精自己最拿手的特工，反而能激发意想不到的效果——可能连选手自己都没想到。要知道Nathan是从FPX出来的，

And very seldomly, he will pick Cypher. So, basically, I think Nathan defined a solution for this team where you have many new talents, young guys who don't have a lot of experience just trying to let them play their best hero, play their best agents, and then you can find some amazing effect that coming out. Maybe themselves don't expect that, I think. So I think Nixon d because he came he came from the FPX, you know. Right?

他以前就以设计奇葩阵容闻名，比如三烟阵容之类的。但这次他确实为DRG找到了解法，至少在第二阶段是这样。不知道他为巴黎冠军赛会不会调整阵容。但对比赛季初的预期和最终成绩，Nathan完成了一场华丽转身——把一支原本可能垫底的队伍，变成了有潜力在冠军赛超越XLG的队伍。

He he's he's he's he's famous for making some strange comps, like weird comps, of three smokes in the comps or something like that. Yeah. But I think he really found a solution for this team, at least in the in in stage two. I don't know, like, if he will switch up this whole comps preparing for champs for Paris. But I do think that if we are looking back how we expected, like, DRGs performing and how the final results are, I think NizenD is doing a marvelous job, like, changing this team from just a just a team that go will go to essential game to a team that maybe, like, have the at least have the potential to outperform XLG in the in the champions.

老兄，这两个升班马战队的故事线简直绝了！冠军赛前还能看到这种小剧场——两支新军对决。

Which is dude, it's such a sick storyline that both of these made Yeah. That we get, like, that little mini game going into champs of just Yeah. Two Ascension Team. Yeah. Two Ascension Team.

给不了解的观众解释下：冠军赛成绩更好的中国战队能保住联赛席位，垫底的（如果都是中国战队就是子来队，因为DRG季后赛赢了他们）要降级到晋升赛。这是第一次出现要为中国内战喝倒彩的情况，挺奇妙的。我还挺喜欢看这支队伍的。

So for people who don't know, whoever whoever goes fast in champs, they stay in the league, and then whoever comes last, or if they come join, it would be Zilai because DRG outperformed them in playoffs. They would go down to Ascension. So kind of the first time where you're, like, rooting against the other Chinese team, really. So it's really weird. I kinda like watching this team.

感觉很多压力在阿克曼身上，就像...朱尔才是决定回合胜负的关键？他们有很多酷炫的战术设计，不过我觉得武卡修才是这支队伍的真正核心。

It it feels like a lot. At least when I watched the corrode, it feels like a lot is on Ackerman. It's just like, is Jewel is the one that decides the rounds? I think they have a lot of cool set strats. I think Vukashu is, like, the main part of this team, though.

他就像是团队配合如此默契的原因之一。我觉得尼克的表现很灵活。唯一让我在看The Haven比赛时没完全理解的是——我只看了其中一场，所以不确定这是否是整体情况——但我不明白为什么Ackerman不直接打ISO位置而让Bikashu玩Cipher。

He's, like, one of the reasons that it works so well. I think Nick's been good flex. The only thing that I didn't really get when I watched The Haven, and I only watched I only watched, like, one of them, so I don't know if it's been, a whole thing overall. But I just don't get why Ackerman doesn't just play the ISO and then Bikashu plays the cipher. Because Yeah.

对我来说，这看起来不太协调，但不确定是否只是状态不佳。因为我觉得如果你能玩Neon的Claw，应该也能驾驭ISO位。个人而言，Akamen玩Cipher时看起来远没有这么得心应手。

For for me, it didn't look comfortable, but I don't know if it was just I don't know if it was just an off game. Because I feel like if you play play Claw of Neon, you must be able to put it in an ISO because I didn't feel like Akamen looks crazy comforting like the Cypher, personally.

没错。而且Vocaccio在ISO位上显得非常不适应，我实在...

Yeah. And also, Vocaccio looks really uncomfortable on ISO. I I don't

不明白为什么。

know why.

他在ISO位上的表现真的很别扭。说实话，作为中国头号狂热粉丝，我确实不喜欢ISO-Euro组合。Haven地图的表现，特别是昨天异端者战队的败北，更让我确信这是个糟糕的阵容配置。

Like, he's really looking uncomfortable on ISO. And to be honest, I I I do because I'm a fanatic guy. I'm I'm I'm I'm maybe the number one fan in fanatic fanatic fans in China. I don't really like the ISO euro combo. Haven is really like and the heretics defeat on Haven just yesterday just confirmed more for me because I it feels really feels to me that this is a really bad comp.

我认为DRG也是这个阵容的受害者。另外，Spirit Z1是机械操作最让我惊艳的选手——纯粹的操作技巧，那种枪法准度完全出乎我预料。虽然他的游戏意识可能还不够成熟，但机械水平真的令人惊讶。

And I think DRG is really just another victim of that comp for for me. And so, also, I think spirit z one is I think he's one of the most like, he's the player that really surprised me with mechanic, pure mechanic, like pure aim. I don't think his game sense or somewhat is that much, like, mature or something, but his mechanic is somewhat, like, I don't expect. I don't know that he can aim so well. Like, it's really surprise surprise me.

确实。

Yeah.

我同意。很多Euro选手可能还没把闪光弹用到极致，但他的闪光弹——特别是为自己创造机会的那种——用得极其出色。相比其他Yora选手容易躲避的闪光，他总能从烟雾后精准瞬爆。

I agree. I think he there's a lot of Euros as well that maybe haven't got, like, the Flash down to the highest level. I feel like his flashes his flashes like especially for himself. Like career ever like really good. Whereas I watch like other Yoras, a lot of them would just do flashes that like relatively easy to turn.

尤其是从烟雾后突然闪光的技巧，他掌握得炉火纯青。看Corodo比赛时我就在想：这家伙真是...

He he pretty much especially like pop flashing out of smokes and stuff. He's actually got the flash down. So, yeah, he's he's surprised me a lot. I think it was Corodo. Was watching him just like, man, this guy's Yeah.

现在比分能咬得这么紧，他功不可没。这可是关键因素。

One of the only reasons why this is close right now. It was a big deal.

我认为他们围绕他打得也非常好，这正是我乐于见到的。因为以前总感觉像是‘复仇，去拿你的人头，我们四个人尽量做点事’。但现在他们真的会全力配合Spirit Z1，因为他们相信他的操作能在一对二中carry。所以你会看到完美时机的恐惧技能或其他什么，他瞬间从传送点跳出，然后直接出手，轻松拿下双杀。看到他们现在拥有多种高效进攻途径真的很棒。

I I think they work around him really well too, which is what I was happy to see. Because before, it used to always feel like, Fukushu, go get your kills and we'll try to do something as four people. But now, they, like, actually do everything to set up spirit z one because they trust that his mechanics can, like, carry him in one v two. So, like, you'll see perfectly timed, like, paranoias or whatever else that he just instantly pops out of the TP, and then he just swings and, you know, he gets two kills. So it's great to see that they now have, like, multiple avenues of attack that work very well for them.

我很高兴看到这种进化。

And I'm very happy to see that evolution.

不过看决赛的Haven地图时我快崩溃了。你刚才简直唤起了我的记忆...

I was getting tilted watching the Haven game, though, in the finals. Like, you've just you've just triggered memories for

对我来说也是，那个Haven。没错。

me because The Haven. Yeah.

他们之前也不喜欢这样打。

They they didn't like in it before either.

他们就像...对，他们默认控C点，但又用无人机配合默认战术逼退敌人抢能量球。这样还怎么重新控制A区？

They're like, yeah. They're c defaulting, but then they're using their drone as part of the c default to push people back to get the orb. And then how are you ever going back over towards a?

是啊是啊，根本没有清场机会。

Yeah. Yeah. Nothing to reclear.

不清场的时候连护盾也用不好。如果无人机用完，至少该用ISO护盾强攻A厅或车库夺回控制权。但他们就是...就是没这么做，频繁被抓。这让我很担心——不过我也没看他们获胜那场，错过了他们上次13:10的翻盘。

And then when they aren't reclearing, they're not using their shield as well. So, like, if you if you run out of your drone, you at least gotta use the ISO shield to, like, bully your way back through air lobby or bully your way back through garage. But they just they weren't, and they were getting caught a lot. And it it it concerned me, but but also I hadn't watched them win against because I missed that game. I didn't watch them with their thirteen ten victory even last time.

也许那场比赛有特殊原因。我觉得这支队伍...就像我们讨论Bilibili时说的，他们从黑马成长为强队，完善了地图池等等——这些正是我对Dragon Nature的担忧。就像我描述过的典型黑马战队，在你不设防的地图上突然掏出疯狂阵容或战术。

So maybe it was something specific based on that game. I think this team like, the all of the things we were talking about with Bilibili about, like, how they've grown as a team from being an upset. They've, like, shored up their map pool, that kind of thing. Those are the concerns I have for Dragon nature. Like, the way that I was describing the quintessential upset team where they, you know, you you grab them on a map where you're not expecting them to have, like, a crazy comp or a crazy read or something like that.

这就是我对DRG的看法。他们会是难缠的对手，因为技术过硬，可能在某张地图遇到从未见过的阵容打得你措手不及。但我不认为他们的地图池深度和稳定性足以支撑走得更远。可能我太沉溺于过去，但在四支队伍中，我觉得其他队比DRG更有潜力——毕竟XLG就有过持续高光表现。

This is what I'm thinking about DRG. Like, I I think they're gonna be a horrible team to play against because they're skilled and you might, like, run into a comp that you've never played against on a map, and it might really catch you off guard. But I don't see the strength in their map pool or the strength in their consistency to think that they are gonna be a team that's gonna go on a deep run. Like, I I maybe I'm too caught up in the past, but I still feel like I'm expecting of of all the four teams that we have, I could see the others going deeper than DRG. Because I think you've got, like, periods of time where XLG have played some really good Valorant across Mhmm.

很多地图，是的，不同的战术体系等等。你们有EDG。如果他们能和康康他们配合好，我确实能看到他们有所作为。DRG，我只是觉得他们会被自己的地图池和古怪打法绊倒。比如，icebox被移除是件好事，因为在Sanity不打Viper的icebox。

Many maps, yeah, different meta, etcetera. You you've got EDG. If they're able to figure it out with Kangkang, etcetera, I could really see them doing something. DRG, I just feel like they're gonna trip over their own map pool and their own weirdness. Like, it's good job that icebox is being removed, because playing no Viper iceboxes in Sanity.

但这仍然让他们在地图池上有很多漏洞。比如，我觉得从Clove身上获取腐蚀技能的价值太难了，这真的很棘手。他们在Lotus地图上用单桥双决斗的战术时也缺乏信息，我认为这同样很难持续获得价值。

But but but it still leaves them with a lot of gaps in their pool. Like, I wasn't that impressed with the I think the corrode is so difficult to get value from the Clove. I think that's really tough. And I think that they're they're they're no information Lotus where they play it with the solo bridge with the double due list. I think it's also just really tough to get value from consistently.

所以我觉得他们处境很有趣，在我看来像是爆冷队伍。你不想抽到他们因为不想输给他们，但可能这只是我作为XLG粉丝的自我安慰——我觉得XLG明年有机会晋级。

So I I think they're in an interesting spot where they'll like, to me, they seem like the upset team. Like, you don't wanna draw them because you don't wanna lose to them, but I maybe this is the cope because I'm an XLG fan, but I feel alright for XLG being able to make it in next year.

没错。说到他们在Lojas的沟通，我总是惊叹他们怎么能赢下这回合。因为Breach刚被削弱，现在版本根本不允许你同时用Euro和Breach连招。

Yeah. So talking about their their comms on Lojas, I always amazed by, like, how they could win this round. Like Yeah. Because the user breach, we just got nerfed. You can see, like, the current version, the current patch that really don't allow you to just combo, like, euro out and breach with the same time.

你没法同时用断层和Euro，这削弱得太狠了。但他们依然能靠Augment的Nioh冲回战场，或者Spirit Z1的纯操作赢下多回合。说实话他们的阵容绝不是最优解，双决斗配Breach怎么可能是最佳阵容？但他们真的找到了自己的解决方案。

You can't you can't just fault line with out at the same time. It's it's basically, like, nerfed so bad that you can't use that. But at the same time, still, they win multiple rounds just by, like, Augment's Nioh is running back into the into into the into the battleground and maybe Spirit Z1 with some pure mechanics. So I do feel like they their comp is definitely not the best comp, to be honest. There there's no way that you play double duelist with the Breach with this best is the best comp, but they really found a solution for themselves.

我真的很怀疑他们会改变战术，因为在我看来从现在到巴黎赛，他们会坚持这套打法。就像你说的，他们会因此获得优势——你根本无法针对他们备战，全世界没有其他队伍会这么打。

And I I I really doubt that they will change change it up because it feels to me that between this time and Paris, I think they will just stick to it. And they will just like just like just like you said, they will have some advantage because you can't prepare for them. There is there is no other team that in the world will will do this thing. No way. That there is no way that you do this.

是啊，你永远没法在训练赛遇到这种对手。我们接着聊聊他们的竞争对手——另一支可能和他们争夺晋级名额的Ascension队伍XLG。他们已经连续参加两届国际赛事了。

Yeah. You you never get in the practice again. Let let's go on to talking about their opposition in terms of, like, the the other team that's the Ascension squad that's gonna be able to that's going to be competing with them to get to that point. XLG. They they have gone to now to back to back international events.

这太棒了，是了不起的成就。上次多伦多站时——对于不关注中国赛区的人来说——可能觉得他们打得很烂。但我觉得他们当时也被客观条件严重削弱了：主力信息位选手没来，新加入的选手又无法和Raga有效沟通。

That's fantastic. That's a great achievement. Last time they were at Toronto, I think for for people who don't keep up with the Chinese scene closely, it can feel like this team was just shit at Toronto. But I think they were just nerfed very badly by circumstance as well. Because I the fact that they weren't the fact that they didn't bring their main initiator player that was giving them so much success, and then they added a player that couldn't communicate properly with Raga.

如果Raga不能像以前那样高效呼叫技能，再加上临阵换将，简直是噩梦。所以我很高兴他们现在找到了适合的体系。而且No man给队伍带来了很强的气场，他外号是不是叫'三杀先生'来着？

Like, if Raga can't call for util as efficiently as he could before, That is and on top of that, like, you're making the roster move right before, and that is a nightmare. So I I like that they have now found a system that works for them. And no man brings a lot of aura into the team as well, I think. Yeah. Is his is his nickname, like, mister three k or something?

因为他总是能打出三杀操作。

Because he keeps doing thing where he's like, he gets three kills.

是啊。实际上这是

Yeah. It's actually It's

现在有点成梗了，因为每次都很奇怪他总能拿到三杀。不是两杀，也不是四杀，每次就刚好三杀。不知道为什么。可能可能是他故意这么做的。所以我确实认为诺玛为这支队伍带来了真正的气场。

kinda meme now because every time and it's very odd that he will always get three k. Not two, not four, but just just three every time. I don't know why. Maybe maybe it's just he's trying to do it deliberately. So I I I do agree that Norma is re really bring aura for this team.

XCLG是支相对安静的队伍。如果和EDG、BLG或其他沙龙战队相比，他们真的非常安静。而且队里没人英语流利，所以他和Raga以及其他队员之间没有沟通障碍。因此我认为诺玛的加入非常重要。

XCLG is a team that is comparatively, like, quiet. Like, if if if you compare them to EDG to BLG to any other Salem teams, they are really quiet. And I think no one coming in, and no one is very is is very fluent in English. So so there's no comms problem with him and Raga and and other teams and other team miss. So I I do think Norman's coming is very important.

说实话，在重庆赛事开始前，我们全季解说有个预测。四位解说里有三人预测XLG会夺冠，包括我在内。所以说实话，看到XLG甚至没进总决赛，我有点失望。

To be honest, there is a prediction from from all season casters just before this Chongqing event happening at all. Out of four casters, three of us predicted the XLG win the whole thing. It's really me. Including me. So acts it's so to be honest, it feels like a a little bit disappointed for me that XLG didn't go too far because he they didn't even, like, go to the go to the grand final.

我认为诺玛确实有个蜜月期。当他刚加入时

I do think that Norman has a Panaman period. Like, when he's coming in

嗯。

Mhmm.

当时没人了解他。虽然他在RA的二队打过，但表现很差，所以根本没人研究他的打法。突然加入后有个蜜月期，等蜜月期结束，XLG在地图池上就遇到大麻烦了。

There's no one know him. Actually, he played for RA in the in the extension team, but they they play so bad, though, it is really doesn't matter. So no one know his play style, and it's suddenly coming in. There's a honeymoon period. And when the honeymoon period is gone, I think XLG facing some really difficult time in map pool.

比如他们其实有三张哨兵图。莲花古城确实很强，但需要充分练习阵容配合。他们没做到，基本只在正式比赛里练。我的比喻是他们在修一艘千疮百孔的船，只能逐个补漏。

Like, they they actually, I think there are three sentinels coming. Lotus is really is really good, but it it is only good if you practice your comps good enough. They don't. They basically, like, just practice it in in official matches. So I I do think that they my metaphor is they are re they're repairing their ship because their ship has so many holes, and you have to patch it one by one.

莲花古城只是其中一个漏洞。说实话我觉得他们知道地图池有问题，但解决得太晚，所以季后赛早早出局。

Lotus is just one of their their holes. So to be honest, it feels to me that the they they know their map pool is has some problem, but they fix it too late. So that's why they stopped quite early in the playoffs.

是啊。Sliggy，你怎么看三哨兵阵容？

Yeah. Sliggy, what do you think about the triple centi comp?

我是说，M80的阵容对吧？但他们打法完全不同。他们玩的时候，有很多地方我觉得可以借鉴M80的战术，特别是他们的C点控制。但结果他们没选择翻墙压制，而是用了那个——抱歉，是死锁墙。

I mean, the m 80 comp. Right? But they play it so different. They play it, and and there's, like, loads of stuff that I think they could steal from m eighty that was, like, pretty good, especially their c hit. But then instead of doing, the wall over, they do the sorry, the deadlock wall.

他们站位稍微靠前些，这样就有更多周旋空间。我觉得他们本可以打得更好。每次看比赛，总觉得是Raga在救场。我想看看这套阵容防守时能不能激进点，理论上可行但他们从不尝试

They do it a little bit closer, which kinda gives them a lot of space to kinda jewel out. So I do think they could play it a little bit better. Every time I watch them, it's just Raga bailing them out a little bit as well. And I wanna see if the comp can go agro a on defense because I think it can, but they never try and

先发制人

go first.

所以...可能是我判断错了

So so maybe maybe I'm wrong.

防守太被动了。对。不过他们首战对阵DRG时特别明显，我当时看得抓狂。但第二次交手时确实有所改善

So passive on defense. Yeah. Well, I mean, they particularly did it on their first game. The first time they played it against DRG, I was losing my shit. But they they did play a bit better the the next time.

我觉得他们当时

I think they were

稍微灵活了些。但还是

a bit more bit more dynamic with it. But it's still

差那么一点

Little bit.

依然非常

It's still very

他们地图选得真糟，可怜的家伙

I think they got a rough map, poor man.

是啊。是啊。

Yeah. Yeah.

根据艾伦说的，每次我看这支队伍季后赛的表现时，感觉作为他们的教练会非常沮丧。对吧？因为，你知道你的战术理念是好的，训练内容也明确，但执行起来却像各自为战，既没贯彻我们讨论的战术，也没达到教练预期的效果——虽然可能我并未明确告知他们具体该怎么做。这真的很遗憾，因为我们清楚他们本可以打得更好。

It it feels like basically, going off of what Alan said, it every time I watched this team during playoffs, it felt like a team where it would be so frustrating to watch as their coach. Right? Because, like, you know your ideas were good. You probably know what you practiced, but the execution of it is just like, you're just you're going back to doing individual things, and you're not doing either what we talked about or what I think, you know, as a coach, maybe I didn't tell them whatever it might be. But it's it's very unfortunate because we we know they can be good.

我们见证过他们的实力，知道他们能打好默认战术等等。但他们现在的目标与当前在服务器中的实际表现，似乎还存在理解上的断层。

We've seen it. We've we know they can play good defaults and and whatnot. But it feels like they're what they're trying to aim for and where they're at right now with their own understanding in the server hasn't quite caught up.

嗯，这...

Well, that's

我觉得这对他们来说有点艰难。

And I think that's a little little tough for them.

这正是目前看他们比赛让我感到沮丧的地方——你描述的那种理论无法落地的情况。要知道第一阶段时他们完全相反，手枪局战术总是很精妙，战术思路清晰，还能给Braga创造疯狂输出的机会。但现在这些阵容根本不适合Raga发挥。虽然我们已不处于双先锋meta时代了...

That's what I'm finding frustrating about this team, actually, watching them at the moment, is that that like, the the thing that you're describing there of they are not taking their theory into the game Mhmm. That that was, like, the opposite of what they were doing in stage one. They always had such, like, good pistol round ideas, really nice theory of what they wanted to do, and they were setting a Braga to go, like, bonkers bazooka. But the the these comps also do not set up Raga. I know we're not in, like, a double initiator meta anymore, really.

不过像NRG等队伍仍经常使用双先锋阵容。

I mean, are still a couple of teams, like NRG still play a ton of double initiator.

但

But

Rager已无法像第一阶段那样统治赛场了。部分原因是meta变化，但另一方面——你们让选手在三控场阵容里玩贤者，他怎么可能打出那种多杀回合的影响力？现在更多是靠Happy Way救场。有时候我看着比赛想：中国赛区明明有这么多优秀的哨卫选手...

The Rager is not able to just dominate the server like he was in stage one. And some of that is meta dependent, but some of it's also like you've got the bloke playing Sage in a triple centi comp. So, I mean, he's never gonna be able to have the impact he could if you were trying to set him up for those big multi frag rounds. I I feel like it's more Happy Way bailing them out of scenarios where I'm watching sometimes. He still seems like I I still watch Happy Way, and I'm like, there is such good Sentinel caliber in China.

这是唯一让我觉得他们真正出色的位置——看过Chi Chi和Vukashu的发挥后，Happy Way属于那种能在世界舞台制造恐怖伤害的选手。但XLG目前其他队员的表现令人担忧，他们距离解决问题还差几步。

I think that's that's the one role where I look at them, and I'm like, these guys can really like, when you've seen Chi Chi play before and you've got like Vukashu frying people as well, Happyway is one of those players where I'm like, you could really do some, like, insane damage on a global stage. But it's the rest of the it's the rest of the the pack and what they're doing that bothers me with XLG currently. And I think they're a couple of steps away from figuring it out.

是啊。我觉得就像我们观察一支队伍时，你知道，我常对直播间说，你只能看到队伍真实情况的百分之十到十五，以及某个选手的实际影响力。我感觉他们失去你损失很大。特别是在这个版本中，虽然也适合他们，但我觉得他在布雷奇和配合Raga时的作用实在太关键了。而Gnomon尝试过一点。

Yeah. I I think it's like when it's like when we're trying to look at a team, you know, you like I always say to my chat, you can only get, like, ten, fifteen percent of, like, what's really going on in the team and, like, how impactful a certain player was. I felt like they lost a lot with YOU. Especially with the meta, it suited them as well, but I feel like his his impact, especially in, like, Breach and setting up Raga was just it was just so, so big. Then Gnomon, kinda tried it a little bit.

他玩的是先锋位，但看起来不太适应。所以他们不得不调整，围绕他建立新的战术体系。我觉得这需要点时间。不过我同意，Raga现在得靠自己发挥了。

He was playing initiates, but didn't look super comfy. So I think they've had to, like, switch and find their own just new identity with him. I just think it just takes a little bit of time. But I I do agree. It doesn't Raga's having to do, like, his own thing.

通常能配合他的只有椰子的闪光弹，这确实很艰难，特别是玩单走Yoru的时候，你总得在某些时候冒险，所以永远不可能...是啊，达不到最佳状态。但我觉得这支队伍的优势是他们有张恐怖的冰港图——现在这张图移除了，对他们反而是好事。

The only real thing to set him up normally is, like, coconut's flash, and that's that can be rough for sure, especially if you're playing, like, solo Yoru, like, not having like, you'd you have to take risks at some point, so you're just never Yeah. Gonna be as good. But I I think the good thing about this team is they have a they have a shocking icebox, and that's gone. So that's good. That's that's, like, that's, like, really good for them.

所以这是有利的。没错。

So that helps. Yeah.

我是说他们...我都记不清他们在深渊图到底选了什么阵容。算了，现在讨论这个也没意义了吧。

I mean, they what I can't remember what the hell they were running on Abyss. Oh, well, I guess I don't even know. Is it even relevant to discuss what people were playing on Yeah.

可能完全不同了。是啊。

Probably would have a different yeah.

说实话冰港图，我一直觉得中国队伍在这图上很挣扎。不仅是中国队，整个亚太区队伍都这样。亚洲队伍打冰港的方式特别奇怪，好像中国有种传统认知...或者说奇怪的观念，觉得这图纯粹是拼枪法的地图。

Well, Icebox, to be honest, I I I always kinda hate this map for Chinese teams. And not only Chinese team, but also for APAC teams. Like, all the Asian teams play, like, icebox so weird. Like, there is a traditional sauce or or some kind of, I don't know, weird sauce about, you know, icebox in China. They think this map is just a aiming map.

他们认为这图只考验枪法不讲究战术，所以无脑刚枪。这要追溯到EDG还代表中国赛区的时候，他们试图在冰港和Genji正面硬刚——而当时Genji也完全不玩战术。所以在我看来，亚洲队伍把冰港当成一张...莽夫图。

They think this map is is about pure mechanics, and instead of macro, they were just trying to go for ag. And it traces back to when EDG is still the face of the of Visit Visit China. They're trying to, you know, go head to head with Genji on Icebox. What and at the same time, Genji didn't do macro at all at at the same time. So it feels to me that Asian teams treat Icebox as a team as a map.

就是冲冲冲，完全不打战术。所以至少对我来说...冰港被移除是种解脱...

Just just go just go go in. Just go in. Don't don't do anything macro. So it it it feels to me, at least, it comforts me that Xbox is gone for for

冰港移除让我如释重负。是啊。确实。这对整个赛事环境都是好事。

It comforts me that Xbox is gone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It it brings comfort to the entire scene.

我是说，

I mean,

我受够了。真的受够了。我希望他们明年别再把这地图带回来。真的不希望。就像，我们必须承认他们把深渊做得和这张图如此相似，这本身就够疯狂的。

it's I'm sick of it. I'm actually sick of it. I I hope they don't bring it back for next year. I really don't. Like, it's so just we have to be at the fact that they made Abyss and Abyss is so similar to this map is crazy as well.

这仍然让我恼火，但深渊算是更好的冰盒图。干脆把这图删了吧。它毫无价值。在快节奏对决中，两秒内爆发六个人头，导播永远只能捕捉到一个镜头，然后我们得等着看回放才能搞清楚发生了什么。

It just annoys me still, but like, Abyss is a better icebox. Let's just get rid of this map. It's just nothing. It's nothing for two seconds of fast duels, six kills within the space of two seconds. The observer can only ever catch one, and then we have to wait for a replay to work out what the hell went on.

我就是讨厌它。这图太糟糕了。

It's I just hate it. It's such a bad map.

我们真的开始消极了。明明连续几周都在保持积极态度。几周的积极氛围。我们要放弃了吗？不能这样。

We're really getting negative. Like, we've been doing weeks of positivity. Weeks of positivity. Are we giving up on it? It can't be.

这周可能没法保持积极了，但听Sliggy说话的架势，简直...

It can't be positive to the week, but the way the Sliggy's talking, literally

不知道。

don't know.

看完泰国赛区的所有比赛后，积极性彻底消磨殆尽了。真的。我无法相信这些队伍竟然是该赛区的第五第六名。

After watching all games in Thai Lou, the positivity was gone down. It really was. It's I couldn't believe that they were the fifth, sixth teams from from this region.

说实话那简直离谱。这根本不正常。他们在第一阶段明明是最差的队伍之一。所以看到他们作为第五第六名出现确实反常。

Well, I mean, that was that was that was fucking bonkers. Like, the the it's not normal. Like, they they were some of the worst teams across stage one. So it is unusual that they were there as the fifth six teams.

其实有传言说Taito在训练赛表现非常出色，甚至在第二阶段开始前就这样了。奇怪的是...我有点相信这个说法。在我们BCG中国分部内部，我们确实知道他们在训练赛打得很好——尽管他们War9阵容只能派特定选手上场，因为他们有个选手年龄不达标。

Actually, there there are there are rumors about Taito is really doing great in screams, like, before stage two even started. Weird. I think I can believe it. Inside in inside our or inside BCG China thing, we we do know that they are doing really good in screams even though that's war nine is just, you know, have to be players because they have a player that is not that is that is the honor age. They have to do this.

但他们确实表现出色，在尖叫声中爆发。那些真正让所有人包括我们惊讶的队伍，每位中国解说都认为是AG。所有玩家在尖叫声中毫无影响力。没人曾预料到他们能，比如，他们在季后赛中从第五名到第五名徘徊。所以若比较这两匹黑马，我认为AJ更难以预测。

But they are doing really they are kicking in screams. The the the teams that really surprise everyone, including us, every Chinese caster is AG. All gamers have zero impact in screams. No one ever predicted them to to go to, like, they are they are they are fifth to fifth fifth to fifth in the in the in the in the playoffs. So if we compare these two black horses, I think AJ is more, like, unpredictable.

是啊。嗯。

Yeah. Mhmm.

对。我是说，确实。不过中国赛区总是有点疯狂，因为队伍起落速度比其他赛区快。我不认为只是我们消息滞后，我觉得这里的变化也比其他赛区更剧烈些。

Yeah. I mean, yeah. China's always a bit mad, though, because teams rise and fall, I think, faster than the other regions. I don't think it's just that we're out of the loop. I think it is also a bit more volatile than some of the other regions.

嗯。就像，我们美洲赛区非常确信——当一支队伍烂，就会一直烂。我是说，有些队伍年初表现糟糕的话，就会深陷泥潭，我们绝不会让他们翻身。但来聊聊EDG吧，聊聊我们最后一支晋级冠军赛的队伍。

Mhmm. Like, we well, we're very confident in Americas that when a team is shit, they are staying shit. I mean, we've got some like, they like, if you see a team start the year and they're bad, or they are staying in the mud, we're never letting them up. But let's talk about EDG. Let's let's talk about our final team that's qualified to champions.

关于EGG有很多可说的。真的。我想我们前几期节目已经铺垫过他们的阵容变动这类事了。但即使在这个季后赛，他们也在进化。因为我原以为他们不会重新启用Kankang的Yoru。

There's a lot to talk about with EGG. There really is. I think the we've already set the stage in previous episodes though of the, like, roster moves that they've gone on and that kind of thing. But even in this playoff, there was evolution from them. Because I thought they were in a spot where they weren't going to go back to the Kankang Yoru particularly.

结果他们还是用了。我觉得还行，他玩得比之前拿出来时好多了。不过我说这话的问题在于，我没看他Yoru数据最差的那场比赛，我看的是他表现较好的场次。

And instead, it looks like they did. And I was, like, pretty alright with it. I thought he played a lot better than the than when he had brought it out previously. Part of the problem with me saying that, though, is that I didn't watch the game that he had the worst stats in on Yoru. I watched one of the games where he had better performances.

所以我错过了他表现糟糕的那场。好像是...Haven地图？记不清对手是谁了。可能是打Billy Billy。我记得看到数据统计页面...

So I missed out the one where he, like, planked. I think it was, like was there, like, a Haven game or something? I can't remember who it was against. Maybe it was against Billy Billy. And I remember seeing the stats page.

是啊，那确实挺糟的。

Yeah. That's pretty bad.

他当时...你知道的，打得很挣扎。对，就是Billy Billy那场，在Bind和Haven这些图上。所以我没看到EDG对Billy Billy的比赛。但我觉得他们的选择是合理的。

And and he was, like, you know, having a rough time of it. Yeah. The Billy Billy game because on on Bind and Haven and stuff. So so I didn't get to catch the EDG Billy Billy game. But it it seems sensible to me.

他们之前不让Kungkung练Yoru一直让我觉得有点蠢。对Aspas我也是同样看法。让一个几乎所有英雄都玩得好的优秀选手说'不，我觉得Yoru对他太难了'，这有点傻。就像...确实。

It seemed it always seemed a bit stupid that they weren't just having Kungkung learn the Yoru. I I would say the same for Aspas as well. It's kinda daft to have a great player who's been great on basically everything they've touched and then go, no. But I think Yoru's too difficult for him. Like, it's something Yeah.

是啊。虽然那家伙的幽影确实玩得不错，但我在看他比赛时的表现还挺喜欢的。没看到EDG对阵Billy Billy那场，不过总体来看，我觉得EDG选择让他继续打幽影比没人用这个角色要好。

Yeah. Don't like, surely, the guy's got a great Yoru. But I I liked what I was seeing from him when he was playing in the matches that I watched. Didn't get to see the EDG Billy Billy game. I it seems like a good path to me in general, though, for EDG to go on rather than having nobody on Yoru.

确实。但本该由Nobody来打的。从今年一开始就该这样安排。这是唯一遗憾的地方，就像，本该...

Sure. But it should have been Nobody. From the beget it should have been from the beginning of this year. That's, like, the only rough thing. It's, like, it should have

他们已经浪费太多时间了。

They've missed so much time.

他们本可以节省大量时间，那样现在状态或许能巅峰状态迎接冠军赛，但现在更像是...他们能否在小组赛中突围？幽影能发挥到什么程度？这水平还不足以再次夺冠。

They could have saved so much time that, like, now the form could have been sick for champs, but now it's more just, like, can they get out of groups fighting? Like, how good is the Yoro gonna be? It's it's not good enough to to win again.

对。但听起来——如果我理解有误请纠正Alan——他在某个采访中基本是说，他们试遍了所有方案就是不想让他打幽影。最后发现GN更适合打决斗者位，总得有人来玩这个角色。当连Nobody指挥都行不通时，就只能让他上了对吧？

Yeah. But it sounds like and correct me if I'm wrong, Alan, but it sounded like in one of the interviews, he basically said, like, they basically tried everything, so he didn't have to play your role. And then they realized like, you know, GN was just gonna be better on the duelist and their roles. Like, somebody needed to play it, and when even nobody IGL ing didn't work out, like, just had to be the one. Right?

这对EDG来说更像是最后手段。虽然遗憾，但听起来他们始终在尽量避免这个安排。

It was like more like a last resort for EDG. So it's unfortunate, but it sounds like they just always wanted to try to avoid it as much as possible.

没错。其实在总决赛后——因为EDG没进决赛嘛——康康就在场馆和其他解说/主播连麦。他当时半开玩笑地说：'我知道我幽影玩得很烂，我会改进的。'

Yeah. I think, like, actually, after the up after the after the grand final, you know, it is actually at the grand final because EDG didn't enter the grand final. The so KangKang just co streaming in a venue with other with other cast or the streamers. They actually like, they kind of, you know, just joking about himself. He's talking like, I I I I know I play really bad.

康康心里清楚，他有时会试图扛起队伍，不论是玩幽影、钱博尔、捷提还是其他特工。当他做不到时，就会很煎熬，事情就这么简单。

I will improve my Euro. Like, he he he do know that I think Kang Kang sometime will some sometimes will try to carry this team, just hard carry his team, whether it is Euro or Chamber or Jet or any other agents. He's he's just trying to cut carry his team. And when he can't, I think he will suffer. It is basically this simple.

回想EDG对阵BLG的淘汰赛，当EDG在' ascent'地图下半场被完全压制时，你能看到康康拼死想拯救队伍的样子——BLG掌控全局，EDG无计可施。

I think if you're looking back into the final game of EDG versus BLG when EDG is knocked out into out of the bracket, they are phased. They're actually phased. They they like, BLG controlling the whole game of Ascent on the second half. Like, EDG can't find a solution. And you can see when that happens when like, we we know that you are dying as a in this game.

明显能看出康康在绝望地试图挽救队伍，避免他们在季后赛中被淘汰出局。

It it is looks apparently that Kangkang is trying desperately to saving this team, trying to saving this team from being this not disqualified, but knocked out from the playoffs.

是啊。

Yeah.

对，对。所以我觉得他给自己压力太大了。关于欧洲赛区部分，我确实认为DDG尝试了太多东西，他们试用了太多选手。他们甚至在欧洲赛区试用了珍妮·珍妮。

Yeah. Yeah. So it feels to me that he's putting too much on him. And about the Euro part, I do think that DDG is trying too much thing, that they tried so many players. They they tried Jenny Jenny on on on Euro.

他们几乎在欧洲赛区试遍了所有人。每个人似乎都有闪光点——这场比赛中某人表现很好。但试了两三场后，他们又会觉得'哦，这才是最佳方案'，然后又开始回退。感觉他们就像在不断尝试不同的实验。最终我认为必须选定Kung Kung，因为回顾其他战队的做法，这是最基础的。

They tried, like, nobody on Euro. And everyone seems to have a flashing point that this game, this guy is good. But when they try for two or three matches, they seem to oh, This this is the best solution, and we are rolling back. It feels like they are, you know, trying different experimenting with different things. And in the end, I think it has to be Kung Kung because if if you're looking back into what other teams did, they it is the basic thing.

就像，你的主要职责应该是用固定角色。看看Kayak，看看任何表现出色的选手——主力决斗位就该固定使用这个英雄。就这么简单。

Like, your main duty is this should play at this agent. Like, if you're looking into Kayak, if you're looking into any like, you're a player that's that is really doing good. Your main duelist should play this hero. It is simple at that.

确实。这个...

For sure. The Is

这种情况是不是只发生在MIBR和EDG？因为我觉得这两支战队太像了——比如Arzene在这张图上永远玩Yoru。

is it only is it only MIBR and EDG where that's been the case? I feel because I feel like those teams are so similar where it's like Arzene is playing Yoru on the map. Yeah.

这是我看到的回合...我看到他们被BLG在战术层面和枪法上完全碾压。实际上我认为ADG正承受着巨大压力——有段时间他们可能连冠军赛都进不了，甚至可能走不到季后赛这个阶段。后来他们似乎找到了...我不知道该怎么形容，可能是临时方案，但总算有了对策，可惜只维持了一两场比赛。

This is this is round that I saw that I saw that they faced. The EDG is completely destroyed by BLG on the macro and on the on on on our aiming at as well. So it feels to me that actually, I think ADG is really suffering from all their there's a pressure because there there's there's there's one time that I think they won't. There is a possibility that they won't go to champs, that there is a possibility that they won't even go this far in the in the playoffs. But then it feels to me that they find the, I don't know, find the solution again, maybe just a tempers temp temp solution, but at least some solution at all, then then it only last one or two games.

然后遇到更强的对手BLG，就被彻底击溃了。

And then they face a bigger of a bigger enemy, which is BLG, then got destroyed.

是啊。

Yeah.

所以我觉得他们在进步，但还不够。很明显他们确实进步了，但起步太慢。队员之间存在太多差距，战术理论和宏观运营也有太多漏洞，所以会被打爆。

So it feels to me that they're improving, but not enough. It it it it is very obviously that they improved, but they start really slow. And there is so many, like, gaps between their players. There are so many gaps in their theories, in their macro. So they will get destroyed.

Chobra，你觉得他们在活动上再次搞事情的几率有多大？

What do you think the chances are of them doing something again, Chobra, like, at the event?

就是那种

It's one of those

大家常说的。夺冠热门。他们本来不是

things that say. The favorites. They weren't the favorites for

对。他们不是。

the No. They weren't.

最终却赢了冠军。

Champs that they won.

显然，我认为这些选手的个人能力都没变。即便是现在，比如G和E开始玩决斗者，他们也能突然爆发carry比赛。这点依然成立对吧？所以没错。

And obviously, I I don't think anything's changed in terms of any one of these players. I think even now, like, G and E now getting to play the duelist, like, they can pop off and carry a game. I think that stays true. Right? So Yeah.

不能因此否定他们。但我同意这么说更稳妥：我不认为他们能走太远，根据分组可能进个季后赛八强，但更多就不指望了。我更倾向于说别抱太高期待，然后承认他们的阵容确实有实力走得更远，甚至再拿个奖杯。我会认可选手们的实力，但我也同意你的看法。

You can't count that against them. But I agree that I I would feel better saying that I don't think they'll get very far, like, you know, depending on the group that they could probably make playoffs, maybe, like, top eight, but I'm not expecting more. I would feel better saying I don't expect more and then just accepting that they have a strong enough roster to, you know, go higher, like, even if it's another trophy. Like, I I will give them the credit of the players, but I agree. I agree.

这次攀登赛我就觉得，哔哩哔哩明显高出一个档次。他们对地图理解更深，更懂对手。我觉得康康和EDG现在压力很大，意识到不能光靠个人carry了——毕竟大家都在进步。

Like, this ascent was one where I was just like, oh, Bilibili is they're just a class above. Like, they just understand the map better. They understand their opponents better. And I don't think you can I think, you know, Kong Kong and EDG is probably feeling the pressure of, oh, we can't actually just solo carry anymore? Like, everyone's gotten better.

游戏进化了，版本也变了。像Chi Chiu以前每五回合就能莫名其妙残局翻盘，这次却全程被压制。

The game has evolved. You know, the meta's evolved. And, Chi Chiu too. Like, we used to rely on Chi Chiu to just clutch rounds just out of his butt every, you know, five rounds. And he just hasn't he was getting shut down nonstop.

我本来想在攀登赛看康康用狙打激进点的。防守方时我盯着他的狙位，结果他要么蹲A天堂要么缩B通道。我就想：兄弟你以前最爱抢底点和中门，最爱前压拿首杀的。所以这可能是信心问题，或者典型怕背锅不敢操作了。

I I wanted to see on this Ascent, I wanted to see Kankang actually go aggro with the op, though. Like, I went on the defense rounds and looked at the op, and he played passive a heaven, and then he played passive b main. And was like, dude, this is the guy that used to love bottom and middle. He used to love short to get the early pick. So I think it is also like a confidence thing or maybe it could be like the classic, like, fearing to lose so he doesn't wanna, like, actually make plays.

所以，嗯，我也不确定。感觉缺少了一点火花，但偶尔又能看到闪光。我记得是在Koro附近吧？他放了霓虹灯对吧？

So, yeah, I don't know. There's a there's a little bit of the spark missing, but then sometimes you see it. I think it was around Koro, does it? He placed the Neon. Right?

然后他拿到了四人警长。这绝对是有复苏迹象的。天啊，他技术超群。可能只是偶尔缺乏点自信，因为这家伙用捷风时，我本以为他会大杀四方，结果却打得这么保守。

And he got, like, the four person Sheriff. Like, there's definitely, like there's definitely signs of it being back. I think it oh, dude. He's super skilled. I think it's just maybe a little bit of confidence sometimes because, dude, when this guy's on jet, I'd I'd expect him to just fry, but he's playing so he's playing so passive.

就像他刚才那局，让我想起Cryo那种极度保守的决斗者风格。我完全无法将Kankang与这种打法联系起来。但我真希望他能找回当年用捷风时的状态——只要拿到狙击枪，这家伙一个人就能改变战局。

Like, when he when he was playing here, it reminded me how, like, Cryo or someone, like, really super passive duelist would play. And it's like, I would never I would never associate Kankang with that kind of play style. But I I I would love to see him go back into that as the Jett on his end because that dude, I swear he can solo he can solo have so much impact when he gets to that op.

我觉得你提到信心问题很关键。对EDG粉丝来说，现在压力反而卸下了——他们连决赛都没进。我特别喜欢YZ在胜者采访里不断追问'现在谁才是主角'，直接把叙事权抢了过来。

I will say, I think I like that you mentioned the confidence thing, because I think for EDG fans, something you can maybe lean into or hope is that the pressure is off now. Right? Like, they didn't even make finals. Even the fact that I loved that YZ in the winner's interview kept asking, like, who's the protagonist now? He just, like, takes that narrative.

他从Hong Kong手里抢过主角光环，宣称'从来都是我'。但这反而会给EDG更多斗志，不过现在他们只需要为自己而战了——毕竟已经跌下神坛，或许这正是他们需要的转机。

He just steals it away from Hong Kong, and he says it's always been me. But but honestly, like, that will give more fire to EDG, but at the same time, it's just for themselves. Like, they don't have to prove it to anybody else now because they've already been knocked down a peg. So maybe that's what it maybe that is what they need. Right?

只要给Hong Kong或Chi Chiu自由发挥的空间，让他们喊出'这局我carry'，就能重燃斗志。要是在冠军赛、季后赛甚至小组败者组能出现这种转折，这支队伍绝对能乘势而上。

They just give a little freedom for Hong Kong or whoever Chi Chiu to just take around and say, I'm winning this round, and then they refire that, you know, rekindle that flame, at champs. And if that happens, you know, like, if that happens at the beginning of playoffs or, know, even, like, let's say, lower, you know, lower the losers match of groups, they they could absolutely like, this is a team that once they get that win, then they could definitely keep up the momentum for sure.

没错。我看过他们以前在中国赛区的表现，有两点特别惊艳：一是惩罚对手失误的能力——其他中国队伍要是敢打乱战，EDG能把你虐到怀疑人生，连国际强队都吃不消这种风格，毕竟他们不常和中国队交手。

Yeah. I remember watching them, like, previous runs in China. I thought two things were fabulous about them. Their their punish game of the mistakes that the other Chinese teams would make was phenomenal. Like, if you did some chaotic shit against EDG, they would just eat you up all day every day, which even the, you know, even great teams at international events weren't ready for it because they weren't as frequently playing against the Chinese teams often, often, often, often.

他们曾经的失误惩罚堪称艺术，但现在似乎预判不了对手动向——可能整个赛区都在进步。另一点是EDG当年自带气场，其他队伍见到他们就怂，进服务器时都抱着'我们是下等马'的心态。

But their punished game used to be amazing, and now I feel like they're struggling to anticipate what's coming towards them, which might just be the overall region improving. And the other the the other part of it too, I think, when it comes to when it comes to EDG is that they just had an aura about them. Like, I think they I think other teams were scared of them. They were scared. They they, like when they got into the server, they were like, we're the underdogs.

想着'虽然会输但拼尽全力'。而现在呢？他们连热门都算不上，连Bone队都怕和他们打。

We're gonna lose this game, but we're gonna give it all we've got. Whereas now, it's like, well, they're not even the favorites. Like, they they They beat bone. Scared to play against them, I think. Yeah.

是啊。

Yeah. That's

这就像，当有人打破世界纪录后，大家就都开始纷纷打破这个纪录。

it's like it's like when people make like, when someone beats a world record, and then everyone starts beating the world record.

就像是，哦，这是可以做到的

It's just like, oh, it's it's do

这是可行的。确实可行。对。对。而且可行。

it's doable. It is doable. Yeah. Yeah. And doable.

然后大家就都有了这种信念。

And then everyone gets that belief.

对。不过我想聊聊狼队，真希望TMV能在这里给它们致个悼词，

Yeah. I wanna talk about wolves, though, because I wish TMV was here to give them, like, a eulogy, a

办个葬礼，

funeral, to

让它们安息。XLG本可以击败DRG的。

put them to put them away. XLG could have beaten DRG.

比如说，如果DRG

Like, if if DRG

嗯。掉出

Mhmm. Fell

季后赛了

out of playoffs