戏剧与让我们快乐的事

你有没有想过，自己能预测未来？

Do you ever wish you could predict the future?

好吧，一些科学家每年都会尝试预测樱花树在春天何时盛开。

Well, some scientists try to do that every year, forecasting when cherry blossom trees will bloom each spring.

这虽然像是瞎猜，但其中也包含了一些科学依据。

It's a wild guess, but there is some science involved in that.

樱花盛放的预测至关重要，关系到旅游业、气候变化模型等多个方面。

And there is a lot riding on the peak bloom forecast, tourism, climate change models, and more.

请在NPR应用或其他你收听播客的平台收听短波节目，了解科学家是如何预测未来的。

Listen to shortwave on the NPR app or wherever you get your podcast to hear how scientists are predicting the future.

嘿。

Hey.

你正在收听《流行文化欢乐时光》，这档播客让你紧跟电影、电视、音乐等领域最新最火的动态。

You're listening to pop culture happy hour, the podcast that keeps you plugged in about the latest and greatest in movies, TV, music, and more.

如果你是个流行文化迷但还没关注这个节目，现在就去你最喜欢的播客应用关注《流行文化欢乐时光》吧。

And if you're a pop culture junkie who's not following the show yet, you need to fix that right now by following pop culture happy hour on your favorite podcast app.

下周我们将进入《The Pit》节目，回顾一些我们错过的优秀电视剧，记得收听。

And next week, we'll be checking into The Pit and catching up with some great TV we missed, so make sure to listen.

现在，进入正题——戏剧部分。

And now, on to the drama.

在这部黑色喜剧《The Drama》中，赞达亚和罗伯特·帕丁森即将结婚，但他们或许不该结婚。

In the dark comedy, The Drama, Zendaya and Robert Pattinson are getting married, but maybe they shouldn't.

两位主演饰演一对正在为即将到来的婚礼做全面准备的情侣。

The stars play a couple in full on prep mode for their upcoming wedding.

然而，当一个震惊的秘密被揭发时，他们之间的爱情似乎瞬间变得岌岌可危。

Though when a shocking secret is revealed, suddenly, their love for one another doesn't seem all that secure.

这是一部情节曲折、富有挑衅性的电影，引发了许多问题，比如：你真的了解你的伴侣吗？

It's a twisty provocative movie that brings up a lot of questions like, how well do you know your partner?

人真的能从根本上改变自己吗？

And can people fundamentally change who they are really?

我是艾希莎·哈里斯，今天我们在NPR的《流行文化欢乐时光》节目中讨论这部《The Drama》。

I'm Ayesha Harris, and today we're talking about the drama on pop culture happy hour from NPR.

今天和我一起的是《费城问询报》的 arts and entertainment 编辑兼影评人巴达特里·D。

And joining me today is Philadelphia Inquirer's arts and entertainment editor and film critic Badatry D.

乔德里。

Chaudhry.

嗨，巴达特里。

Hey, Badatry.

你好。

Hello.

很高兴能来这里。

So glad to be here.

很高兴有你加入。

So glad to have you.

和我们在一起的还有记者、电影评论播客《Seated》的主持人特雷维尔·安德森。

And also with us is journalist and host of the movie review podcast Seated, Trayvel Anderson.

欢迎你，特雷维尔。

Welcome, Trayvel.

你好。

Hello.

你好。

Hello.

谢谢邀请我。

Thanks for having me.

非常高兴你们两位能来。

So excited to have you both here.

天哪。

Oh my goodness.

所以，这个剧情。

So the drama.

是的。

Yeah.

什么？

What?

这就像，你还能有什么别的反应呢？

It's like, what what other reaction do you have?

我的天啊。

Oh my goodness.

什么？

What?

什么？

What?

是的。

Yeah.

这部剧的主角是赞达亚和罗伯特·帕丁森，饰演艾玛和查理。

So the drama stars Zendaya and Robert Pattinson as Emma and Charlie.

就在他们婚礼前几天，一次与朋友的谈话引发了一个亲密的问题。

They're just days before their wedding when a conversation with friends leads to an intimate question.

你做过最糟糕的事是什么？

What's the worst thing you've ever done?

艾玛的回答，坦率地说，相当令人不安。

Emma's answer is, to put it quite frankly, pretty disturbing.

很震惊吗？

Shocking?

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

这种行为如此令人不安，以至于改变了查理对他即将成为妻子的看法，并让他质疑自己过去对她的一切认知。

So disturbing that it changes how Charlie sees his soon to be wife and makes him question everything he thought he knew about her.

我们将在周一的剧透满满的节目中讨论这件令人不安的事。

We're gonna talk about that disturbing thing in a spoiler packed episode on Monday.

目前，我们在这期节目中分享对这部电影的总体印象。

For now, we're sharing our general impressions of the movie here on this episode.

此外，演员阵容还包括马马杜·阿塞和阿拉娜·海姆，他们分别饰演这对新人的伴郎和伴娘。

Now the cast also includes Mamadou Aceh and Alana Hayim as Mike and Rachel, the couple's best man and maid of honor.

这部剧情片由克里斯托弗·博格利执导，目前正在影院上映。

The drama is directed by Christopher Borgley and is in theaters now.

我们是在周三早上录制的。

And we're recording this on Wednesday morning.

我们只有一整天的时间来消化这部电影。

We've had, like, a day to sit with this movie.

我想你可能已经能感觉到，我们仍在消化和思考它。

I think you might already be able to tell that we're still we're still processing it.

但是，特雷维尔，我先听听你的看法。

But, Trayvelle, I'm gonna start with you.

你对这部电影有什么看法？

What did you think of this?

所以，是的，这部电影属于那种引发大量讨论的类型

So, yeah, this is one of those movies where the discourse might be

讨论的商标。

The discourse t m.

商标。

Trademark.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

可能比我们在银幕上实际看到的内容更有趣。

Might be more interesting than what we actually saw on screen.

我喜欢这部电影。

Now I enjoyed the movie.

它有一些我没想到的转折。

It has a number of twists and turns that I wasn't expecting.

我就是那种人，你知道的，我本来是冲着赞达亚来的，但我最终留下来是因为罗伯特·帕丁森，我觉得。

I'm one of those people that, you know, I came for Zendaya, but I kinda stayed for Robert Pattinson, I think.

就是那个部分。

That that part.

是的。

Yeah.

所以有很多情感，很多想法，但总的来说，我觉得还行。

And so lots of feelings, lots of thoughts, but overall, I was like, okay.

值得花时间。

Worth my time.

我觉得对其他人来说也值得花时间。

And I think it'd be worth folks' time as well.

是的。

Yeah.

剧情、讨论，就像应该叫《剧情：讨论》是吧？

The drama, The Discourse, like, is it should be The Drama colon The Discourse Yes.

但奥黛丽，你呢？

But Audrey, how about you?

你知道吗，我一直在思考这个问题，而且我已经看了这部电影一整天了。

You know, I was thinking about this question, obviously, and I've been sitting with this film for a day.

这部电影让我感到非常不安，而且不是一种好的不安。

And I have been deeply unsettled by this film, and not in a good way.

我认为这正是这部电影想要达到的效果。

And I think that is what the film sets out to do.

因此，在这个背景下，我认为这部电影非常有效地提出了特里维尔所说的那种讨论。

So within that context, I think this film is very effective in putting forth the discourse, as Trivel said.

再说一遍，我知道我们有点跑题了，但除了屏幕上的内容，我认为这部电影所探讨和引发我们思考的一切更为重要。

Again, like, I know we are, like, going ahead of ourselves, but more than what's on the screen, I think everything that it talks about and makes us think.

这是一部有趣的电影。

It's an interesting film.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，我想这算是三方达成共识了。

I mean, I guess this is a a three way agreement here.

我确实当时很喜欢这部电影。

I really enjoyed this movie in the moment.

对吧？

Right?

我想，首先我强烈建议，如果你要看这部电影，最好去电影院看。

I think, first of all, I would highly suggest if you're gonna see this film, try and see it in a theater.

我们影院的观众相当活跃，这话说起来有点奇怪，因为这部电影如此黑暗。

Our theater was quite lively, which is like a weird thing to say about a movie that gets so dark.

但我确实觉得，总体而言，这部电影以一种非常有趣的方式将黑暗与喜剧结合在了一起。

But I do think, overall, this movie kind of handles the bleakness with the comedy in a really interesting way.

我从来不是阿里·阿斯特的粉丝，但我觉得这部电影成功地实现了阿里·阿斯特在其他电影中试图表达的许多东西，而且我认为它更成功一些。

I I have never been an Ari Aster fan, but I feel like this movie is able to do a lot of what Ari Aster tries to do with his movies, and I think it's a little bit more successful.

虽然主题完全不同，但同样带有那种黑色、阴郁的喜剧风格。

Now, completely different subject matters, but similarly, like, that kind of black bleak comedy.

我认为尤其是罗伯特·帕丁森在这部电影里表现得非常好，因为

And I think especially Robert Pattinson is really, really good in this because

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

我们看到他演成了这样一个人，仿佛在问：‘我即将娶的到底是谁？’

We see him turn into this person who's, like, his version of, like, who the f am I about to marry?

就像雷斯·蒂斯那样的角色，但由罗伯特·帕丁森来演。

Like, you know, like Reese Tiese, but, like, Robert Pattinson.

你懂的。

You know?

我真的很享受他把这种角色演绎得淋漓尽致。

And and I really enjoyed seeing him play that to the hilt.

作为一场集体观影体验，听着观众的反应、笑声，还有那些倒吸冷气的瞬间，这才是我们去看电影的意义所在。

And so, like, as a as a communal experience and hearing people react and hearing people laugh and hearing people just, like like, gasp, like, this is what we go to the movies for.

我想知道，你们那边的观众反应怎么样？

I'm curious, like, what were your audiences like?

我的经历是独特的吗？还是你也经历过类似的？

Was was mine unique, or did you also have that similar experience?

没有。

No.

观众非常非常活跃。

Very, very vocal audiences.

比如，你会听到笑声、嘘声，有时还有掌声。

Like, you know, laughing, booing, sometimes clapping.

你能看到我们所说的那种困惑，以及这部电影如何逐渐陷入一种怪异、焦虑、令人不安的氛围。

You know, you can see the confusion that we're talking about and the gradual the way this film gradually descends into this, like, weird, anxious, unsettling territory.

我认为你说得对，艾莎。

I think and you're right, Ayesha.

我认为人们应该和别人一起看这部电影。

I think people should watch it with other people.

最好是和你计划结婚的人一起看，

Ideally, with someone you're planning a wedding with,

那会

that would

很棒。

be great.

哦，女士。

Oh, ma'am.

我觉得

I think

小心点。

Be careful.

我要混乱。

I want chaos.

你想要混乱。

You want chaos.

我就是为混乱和戏剧而来的。

I'm here for the chaos and the drama.

哦，这混乱的局面。

Oh, the mess.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

你知道有趣的是，正如你向艾莎解释的那样，这是一部黑色喜剧，所以有些时候你会听到周围其他人笑，然后你会想。

You know what's interesting about it is that because it is a dark comedy, as you explained, Ayesha, you know, there's some some moments where you hear other people laughing and you're like

是的。

Yeah.

但后来我发现，在影院的某个时刻，我是唯一一个笑的人。

But then I found myself being the only person laughing at a particular moment in my theater.

所以，如果你能和一些不认识的人一起观看，他们带着自己的生活经历、对某些事情的独特见解和情感来观看这部电影，这真的会大大提升观影体验。

And I so it really adds to the viewing experience if you can, you know, be with other people who you don't know who are going to process and, you know, come to the film with with their own lived experience and their own, you know, takes and feelings on certain things.

对。

Yeah.

但看到他们如何玩味喜剧与黑暗元素的结合，我真的很喜欢。

But to see how they play with the comedy and the dark element of the comedy, I really liked it.

它让我一直对接下来会发生什么保持兴趣。

It kept me kind of interested in what was coming next.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yes.

因为那些黑暗喜剧的时刻，你知道，人们平时不会说出那样的话，

Because the dark comedic moments were you know, they were a little you wouldn't hear people normally say things like that,

我有这种感觉。

I felt.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

而且我认为，以筹备婚礼这一背景为基础，本身就带入了内在的焦虑。

And I also think basing it within that context of planning a wedding brings in its inherent anxiety.

是的。

Yeah.

筹备婚礼本来就是一个令人焦虑的过程，而你还要在这个过程中，突然了解到那些你本要共度余生的人的新信息。

It's an anxious process anyway, and then you're introducing, like, brand new information about people who you're supposed to spend the rest of your life with.

我很喜欢这个故事的叙述方式。

I quite enjoyed the storytelling.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，我也必须提到马马杜·阿谢和阿拉娜·海亚姆，尤其是马马杜·阿谢，他就是那种每次出现都常演类似角色的演员——通常是配角、最好的朋友，或者只是个小角色。

I mean, I also really have to say Mamadou Ache and also Alana Hayam, but especially Mamadou Ache, he's one of those actors who every time I see him pop up and he's usually playing this kind of role, like a side character, a best friend, or just, like, a smaller character.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这可能是我迄今为止见过他出演的最有分量、最充实的角色之一。

This might be one of the best sort of meatiest roles I've seen him take on so far.

我真的非常享受看到他享受这段对话，享受扮演那个试图陪伴朋友、同时对赞达亚的角色展现出更多同理心的角色。

And I really, really loved being able to see him have fun with the dialogue and have fun with, like, just being that person who's trying to be there for his friend, but also, like, has a little bit of more empathy, I think, for Zendaya's character than Yes.

电影中的其他人确实有这么做，或者说，表现出理解。

Other people in the movie do do and, like, or understanding.

天哪。

Oh my god.

我们能聊聊阿拉娜·海姆吗？我有多讨厌她？

Can we talk about Alana Haim and how much I hated?

她——也就是说，她演得非常好。

Her, which is to say she did an excellent job.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yes.

天啊。

Oh my gosh.

我当时

I was

非常非常烦。

so so annoyed.

是的。

Yeah.

有一种特定类型的人，一种特定类型的女性，我甚至可以说是一种白人女性，

There's a particular type of of person and a particular type of woman, and dare I say white woman, that Mhmm.

艾拉娜·海姆在这部电影中扮演的角色与赞达亚的角色形成对比。

Alana Hayim is playing in this movie in comparison to Zendaya's character.

这种对比很微妙，这也牵涉到我对这部电影的一些小意见，但我们会在剧透部分详细讨论。

And it's subtle, and that kind of gets into more of my quibbles with this movie, but we will get into that with the spoilers.

但即便只是让这种差异存在，让人能够观察并体会言外之意，我就很喜欢电影的这一方面。

But, like, even just having it there to sort of see and read between the lines, I liked that aspect of the film.

这部电影非常紧张。

This movie is super tense.

这真的非常 yes。

It's just a very Yes.

这是一部非常宁静的电影。

It's a very quieting movie.

有一刻，你会想：我是不是该盼着这场婚礼成真呢？对吧。

At one point, you're like, well, should I be rooting for this wedding to happen Right.

尽管困难重重？

Despite all odds?

嗯。

Mhmm.

还是说这些人根本不该在一起？

Or do these people have no business being together?

是的。

Yeah.

其实，这部电影很早就埋下了这个伏笔，因为你看到了他们所谓的‘浪漫初遇’——实际上

Well, it it the movie plants that seed very early on because you watch the way they have their quote, unquote, meet cute, which is actually

有点吓人。

It's a little creepy.

我会说，这不太可爱，反而更让人觉得 creepy 或者对他来说有点尴尬。

I would argue less less cute and a little more creepy or, like, embarrassing for him.

我只是这么说。

I'm just saying.

你总会忍不住想，我不知道。

And you're always wondering, like, I don't know.

而且，你知道，这也是戏剧的一部分，想想看。

And, you know, that's also part of the drama, think.

这种吸引力的一部分，以及我们所看到的，就是这些人真的适合在一起吗？

It's part of the allure and part of what we're seeing is, like, do these people actually belong together?

但这也像很多电影那样。

But then that's also, like, so many movies.

我觉得很多电影并没有像这部电影这样去质疑这一点。

I think a lot of movies don't necessarily question that in the way this movie does Mhmm.

我认为这比那种普通的‘他们会走到婚礼殿堂吗？’的剧情更引人入胜。

Which I think makes this far more intriguing than your average, will they, won't they make it down the aisle?

或者那种‘他们会在一起吗？’类型的电影。

Or will they, won't they even get together kind of movie.

如果你正处于一段长期关系中，这部电影确实可能会让你反思一些问题，你知道的。

It definitely will have if you are in a a long term relationship with somebody, it it definitely might have you asking yourself a few, okay, about, you know?

是的。

Yeah.

我问过我的伴侣，看完这部电影后他做过最糟糕的事是什么。

I did ask my partner what's the worst thing he did after watching this film.

所以，是的，特里维尔绝对是我

So, yes, Trivel is absolutely I

我还没问过我的伴侣，但我正在考虑要不要问。

have not asked mine, but I'm thinking about it.

对。

Yeah.

我特意问过我的伴侣，如果我像赞达亚那样回答，他会怎么说。

Well, I I asked mine specifically what he would say if I answered the way Zendaya did.

他的回答非常有启发性。

And his answer was very illuminating.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但我们还是在一起，所以没关系。

But we're still together, so it's fine.

我支持你，艾莎，不像这部电影里那样。

And I'm rooting for you, Aisha, unlike in this film.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，我觉得我们之前一直绕着这个话题打转。

Well, I mean, I think we've kind of danced around it.

下周请留意我们的三人对话，会有大量剧透内容出现在你的信息流中。

Look out for a spoiler filled episode with the three of us in your feeds next week.

哇。

Wow.

我很自豪我们能够不谈那些细节就讨论了这个问题。

I'm proud of us that we were able to talk about this without Yeah.

不用深入细节。

Without getting into details.

不过，接下来，这周让我们开心的是什么？

But, yeah, up next, what's making us happy this week?

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我先从你开始，巴达特里。

I'm gonna start with you, Badatri.

说说看。

Hit us.

好的。

Yes.

这部纪录片叫《纳奇兹》，由苏珊娜·赫伯特执导。

So it's this documentary called Natchez by Susannah Herbert.

所以，正如其名所示，这部纪录片以密西西比州的一个叫纳奇兹的小镇为背景。

So this, as the name suggests, is it's a documentary based in the town called Natchez in Mississippi.

我以前根本不知道这个小镇，但 apparently，这个小镇的主要吸引力是游客们参观的大量古老房屋和小屋。

I had no idea about this town, but apparently the whole pull of this town is all these tours of really old houses and cottages that tourists take.

这是一种典型的内战前时期的旅游景点。

And this is a antebellum of tourist attraction.

这些房屋和庄园大多有着黑暗的历史。

So all these houses, mansions have very dark histories.

它们中的绝大多数曾经是奴隶主的住所，我以为这会是一部非常沉重的电影。

Mostly all of them were slave owners, and I thought this would be a very heavy film.

但它却很有趣，有时甚至令人捧腹。

But it's funny, sometimes hilarious.

你知道，我们现在正处在一个人们积极试图抹去美国奴隶制历史的时期。

You know, we are in the middle of these times when, you know, people are actively trying to erase America's history of slavery.

因此，看到这部电影直面这个问题——我们该如何对待这样的过去——非常有意思。

So it's interesting to see this film grapple with that, that what do we do with a past like that?

有些人只是沉溺于这种怀旧情绪，而不去深入探讨其中的复杂性。

And some people just give into the nostalgia of it without delving into the complications of it.

还有一些人则专注于过去，坚持认为我们必须将这段历史作为我们讨论的核心。

And then there are people who really focus on the past and say, no, we are gonna this is gonna be at the center of our conversation around our history.

还有一些人就是纯粹的种族主义者。

And then some people are just plain old racists.

这很有趣，但并不是那种轻松的有趣。

It's funny, but not in a kind of way.

这让人不禁思考，我们是如何纪念历史的，我们的历史中究竟有什么值得纪念的，如果有的话。

Kind of makes you think about the ways in which we honor our history and what is there to honor in our history, if at all.

所以这是苏珊娜·赫伯特的《不共享》，你可以在Apple TV、Prime Video、YouTube TV、点播平台等几乎所有观看影片的地方观看。

So that's Not Shares by Susannah Herbert, and you can stream it on Apple TV, Prime Video, YouTube TV, VOD, just about anywhere you watch your films.

太棒了。

Awesome.

非常感谢。

Thank you so much.

这个描述听起来像是为了真实而上演的戏剧。

That descriptor kinda sounds like the drama for being real.

沉重的主题，却以幽默的方式呈现。

Heavy subject, amusing approach.

谢谢你，帕特里亚。

So thank you for that, Pattatria.

听起来真的很有趣。

That sounds really fascinating.

特雷维尔，这周是什么让你感到开心？

Trayvelle, what is making you happy this week?

好吧。

Alright.

这周让我开心的是什么？

What's making me happy this week?

我知道PCHH的听众都很有学识，所以我本来打算推荐一本书，啊。

I know the PCHH audience is very learned, so I was going to come with a book recommendation Aw.

那是布兰迪的新回忆录，嗯。

Which was Brandi's new memoir Mhmm.

她最近刚出版，由记者加勒特·肯尼迪合著。

That she recently released, co written by journalist Garrett Kennedy.

为了准备这期节目，因为上帝的安排总是出人意料，一位朋友给我发了一首与布兰迪有有趣关联的音乐曲目。

And then in preparation for this show, because the lord works in mysterious ways, a friend sent me a music track that is also connected to branding in an interesting way.

它确实让我很开心，我知道它也会让你们同样感到愉悦。

And it did indeed make me happy, and so I know it would do the same for y'all.

这是来自Black House Radio的DJ迈克尔·丹特制作的混音，取材自罗杰斯与汉默斯坦的《灰姑娘》中的歌曲《Impossible》，但使用的是1997年版，由兰迪饰演灰姑娘，惠特尼·休斯顿饰演仙女教母。

This is a mix from DJ Michael Dante in Black House Radio that takes Impossible, the song from Rogers and Hammerstein's Cinderella, but the 1997 version starring Randy as Cinderella and Whitney Houston as the fairy godmother.

它以一种我特别喜欢的奇妙方式重新演绎了这首曲子。

And it freaks it in a really interesting way that I particularly love.

天哪。

Oh my god.

你不觉得它很棒吗？

Don't you love it?

是的。

Yes.

你根本不知道自己需要一首以舞厅浩室节奏演绎的《灰姑娘》，但没关系，现在你听到了。

You did not know that you needed, okay, Cinderella over a ballroom house beat at at by any means, but you're welcome.

谢谢。

Thank you.

我的天啊。

Oh my goodness.

我内心的孩童现在正在尖叫。

My inner child is screaming right now.

是的。

Yes.

我太喜欢这个了。

I love this.

我以前有这部影片的录像带。

I had this movie on VHS.

哦，我的天啊。

Oh, my goodness.

我太喜欢了。

I love it.

迈克尔·丹特是这位DJ，这首歌是《Impossible, It's Possible》，这个混音版。

Michael Dante is the DJ, the song Impossible, It's Possible, this mix.

你可以在Apple Music上找到它。

You can find it on Apple Music.

太棒了。

Awesome.

非常感谢你，特雷·贝尔。

Thank you so much, Tray Bell.

哦，这让我太开心了。

Oh, that makes me so happy.

这周让我开心的是Netflix上的电视剧《Attraction时代》。

Well, what is making me happy this week is the TV show Age of Attraction on Netflix.

你们都听说这个了吗？

Have you all heard about this?

没有。

No.

你们听说过这个节目吗？

Have you heard about this show?

如果你们稍微了解我，就知道我有多爱看约会真人秀，不管它们有多烂、多傻、多失控。

If you know me at all, you know that I love my dating reality shows no matter how trashy, how silly, how just out of control they are.

这个节目其实更克制、更温和，而且出乎意料地有种温馨的感觉。

This one is actually a little more, like, reserved and tamed and, like, kind of sweet in a way that I was not expecting.

基本设定是，单身人士聚集在一处度假地，与异性建立联系。

The premise, basically, is that singles come together at a retreat to connect with other singles of the opposite sex.

据我所知，至少第一季里，基本上都是异性配对的节目。

As far as I can tell, at least in the first season, this was, like, basically just all hetero partnerships, that kind of show.

关键是，他们说：我受够了和同龄人约会，我想更开放一点。

The point is that, like, they were like, I'm so sick of dating people my own age, and I just wanna be more open.

所以他们来到这个度假村，在这里爱情是盲目的——你可以和他们交谈，但你看不到他们的样子。

And so they come together at this retreat and, like, love is blind, you can talk to them, but you don't know what they look like, you can't see them.

这个节目里，你可以看到他们，也可以和他们交谈，可以问他们任何问题，就是不能问他们多大年纪。

This one, you can see them and you can talk to them, and you can ask them everything except how old they are.

那会出什么问题呢？

And so What can go wrong?

哎呀。

Uh-oh.

是的。

Yeah.

嗯。

Mhmm.

到这里就有点让人不舒服，有点怪了。

This is where it gets a little kind of icky and weird.

比如，他们可以去所谓的‘承诺室’，在那里公布自己的年龄。

Like, they they go they can go to the Promise Room, they call it the Promise Room, and then reveal their ages.

然后他们回到现实世界中

And then they go out into the real world

哦。

Oh.

如果他们决定继续尝试约会的话。

If they decide that they're going to continue trying to date each other.

混乱随之而来，各种事情发生了。

Chaos ensues, things happen.

就像其他那些节目里一样，见面家长、朋友，试着一起生活，等等。

The same stuff that happens on all those other shows, like, meet the families, friends, and they try to live together, whatever.

但你知道，和《盲婚》不同，婚姻并不是最终目标。

But, you know, unlike Love Is Blind, marriage isn't the end goal.

只是，你能建立一段关系吗？

It's just, you know, can we be in a relationship?

我们的关系能超越年龄差距吗？

Can our can our relationship transcend our age difference?

这里的年龄差距并不小。

And the age gaps here are not small.

最终被聚焦的那些人，离开度假地后，年龄差距从最低的十五年到最高的三十三年不等。

The ones who were featured ultimately, following them outside of the retreat, they the age gaps range from fifteen years on the low end to 33 at the most.

等等，等等。

Now, hold on.

是的。

Yes.

所以，我说这些是想说，你看这个节目时，会发现它比你预期的要更平衡一些，而且我认为，至少从表面来看，它比其他节目更有诚意。

So, you know, I say all that to say, like, you watch the show, it is a little bit more balanced than you might expect, and I do think it is a dating show that has better intentions, at least on the surface, than other shows do.

所以，如果你在找一个新的恋爱真人秀，那就是Netflix的《吸引力年龄》。

So, yeah, if you're looking for a new dating reality show, it's Netflix, Age of Attraction.

听着，我超爱这种垃圾电视节目。

Look, I love my trash TV.

我能说什么呢？

What can I say?

这正是让我本周开心的原因。

That's what's making me happy this week.

特雷维尔·安德森和巴德拉蒂·D·乔杜里，非常感谢你们的到来。

Trayvelle Anderson and Badatri D Chaudhry, thanks so much for being here.

我很享受和你们一起剖析这些戏剧性情节。

I loved unpacking the drama with you both.

期待下周和你们一起揭秘剧透内容。

Can't wait to unpack the spoilers with you next week.

谢谢你，艾莎。

Thank you, Ayesha.

我也是。

Same.

非常感谢。

Thank you so much.

是的。

Yeah.

本集由莉兹·梅德斯格、哈夫扎·巴蒂玛、卡莉·鲁宾和迈克·卡特塞夫制作，由我们的节目主管杰西卡·里迪剪辑。

This episode was produced by Liz Medsger, Harvzah Batima, Carly Rubin, and Mike Katsef, and edited by our showrunner, Jessica Reedy.

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If you're not already following the show, do that right now.

我是亚洲·哈里斯，我们下周再见。

I'm Asia Harris, and we'll see you all next week.